March 9, 2026 • 46 mins
On this episode of 3 & Out, we break down a massive move around the league as Maxx Crosby is traded to the Baltimore Ravens. How dangerous does Baltimore’s defense become with one of the NFL’s most relentless pass rushers, and what does this deal mean for the Las Vegas Raiders moving forward?
We also dive into what’s going on in Philadelphia as questions continue to swirl around the Eagles. What direction is the team heading, and what should fans be watching as the offseason unfolds?
Plus, we discuss Travis Kelce’s future in Kansas City. Could the legendary tight end be nearing the end of his career, or does he still have more left in the tank with Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs?
And finally, we talk about why there has never been a better time to be in the NFL when it comes to contracts, as the salary cap continues to rise and players across the league cash in on record-setting deals.
Big trades, big questions, and big money — all on this episode of 3 & Out. #Volume
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody, John Middlecoff three
and Out podcast. Hopefully everyone is doing well out there
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in the real world. And today we're going to react
to a trade that is now. I don't know if
you're listening this on Monday. It's a couple of days old,
but the Raiders have traded Max Crosby to the Baltimore
Ravens for a hul pick fourteen pick twenty twenty seven
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to one, which on paper right now is more than
what the Cowboys got for Mike Parsons. So we will
dive into every angle, starting with Max the person, the player,
his loyalty to the Raiders, spy tech pulling the trigger,
the Ravens doing something that's a little have normal from historically,
they've never traded a pick that high the Eagles. There
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are some rumors right now about Jalen Carter. Travis Kelcey
is potentially gonna sign with another team not named the
Kansay Chiefs. Khalil Mack has re signed with the Chargers,
so we will have the next couple of days the
free agent frenzy. The free agents aren't great, but I'm
sure we will get more trades. We will get more action.
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So this is a busy, busy time for GMS assistant
GMS pro scouting directors, coaching staffs. This is fun, so
buckle up. We will have you covered all week long,
talking football, talking free agency, and love this time of year.
So it gives us a little couple of weeks to
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you know, react to stuff before we get in to
the stretch of the draft, which is fun too. But
you know, by the time we get to the middle
of April, we're ready for the draft. So this is
this kind of sets the tone for what teams like,
Oh maybe they won't pick, you know, a running back,
or maybe they won't pick a linebacker. So it's fascinating
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team building exercise. Obviously, a lot of teams have money
and some teams don't. So we will dive into it
all today and tomorrow we'll dive back into it. We'll
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dive into the pod and I want to start a
big picture on the player because I do feel for
Raider fans. This is a franchise, especially if you are
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an older fan, that will once as good as it got.
I mean, historically they've had John Madden, They've had countless
Hall of Famers, they had one of the most legendary
owners in the history of sports. They won Super Bowls
in the eighties, they resurrected the franchise with John Gruden,
and then once they made the trade. Over the course
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of the last twenty three years, after they made the
Super Bowl in two thousand and two, it has not
been good. And in twenty three years they have made
the playoffs twice and obviously have not won a playoff game.
It has been a lot of ugly and during that time,
especially during the you know, Postyle Davis era, which was
like twenty eleven twenty twelve, I thought they had two
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guys who were just all in who the Raiders meant
everything to and you know, Khalil Mackamari Cooper were both traded.
But to me, Khalil not that he wasn't passionate about
a Raider, but listen, he's a modern day athlete who
was gonna pay him the most. The Raiders weren't see
you later audios Amari Laissez Fair didn't give a shit,
But Derek Carr was all in. Now we can argue
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if he was good enough. I do think in twenty
sixteen before he hurt his ankle, you know, he was
competing to you know, win the MVP that year. They
were going to be the number one seed, and after
that happened, it was kind of hit or missed for
the rest of his Raider tenure obviously ended weird with Josh,
but I Derek was a very solid player for the
Raiders for a long time. Max to me's a Hall
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of Fame level guy, and his passion for the brand,
his passion for the team. If you haven't got a chance,
His ten to twelve minute goodbye is one of the cooler,
more genuine things I've ever seen. I mean, the modern
day athlete just has their agency or their manager take
some picture of them, put it on some cool backdrop,
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and then write words in the middle of thank you
and goodbye, and I love you, and it's somewhat hollow
and listen, in fairness, maybe those guys don't care. They're
just businessmen, which I'm tol okay with. It did feel
that Max was much more. He loved being a raider.
It meant everything to him, the organization, the effort. Sometimes
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not to get sentimental here, but I'll just be sitting
there in silence, looking at my eight week old or
seven week old or whatever old he is. I'll just
be staring at Jack and I'll think, God, I got
There's a lot of pressure on me to teach this
guy some just core value life lessons in life. And
you spend a lot of time, and any father knows
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thinking of, you know, what are the things that I'm
going to instill in this human? What are going to
be some of his core values that are not negotiables?
And I do think Max kind of encapsulates a couple
of things that I am one hundred percent which I
would have done this, whether I was thinking about it
over the last couple of weeks or not. Of like
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passion for what you do. And I think most of
us are walking to rooms with smart people and are
never going to be the smartest guy in the room,
and you can go a long way. I can only
speak to America, but in this country, all in the
world that we live in, by just giving all out
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effort in what you do all the time, consistently, go hard,
and in football that means physical energy. In some of
our professions it could be mental energy. But give all
you have when you're gonna do something, go all in.
What did they say in what was the movie called
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with Mark Wahlberg, It's I want to say American Sniper,
but it's not. It's Lone Survivor. That moderation is for cowards.
Anything worth doing is worth overdoing. And I think Max
Crosby represents what every coach really values in a guy
whose effort is just great all the time. And to
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have great effort, you've got to be in great shape,
you got to be prepared. This was a guy that
after his rookie year, checked himself into rehab, and anyone
that's followed his career, you're just like, this guy's just
a certified badass, changed his life, cleaned up his life,
and absolutely dominates on the field for mostly an awful organization.
So if I totally understand Raider fans even if you go,
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which will dive into the compensation being bummed, because this
guy wasn't just a badass on the field. He wanted
to play for your team. I mean, how many players
in football and basketball and baseball cosmic stinks force trades
want somewhere else. I do believe that up until the
end of the year, the Max would have been very
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cool being a Raider for life. And I think when
he said it, he meant it, and when they benched
him or forced him to get knee surgery like it
was the right move. It was the proper business move.
And I think it also represents why Max Crosby is
who he is that he was like, fuck you, I
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don't give a shit about the number one overall pick.
I want to play because in this team, it's not
like we're playing a lot of playoff games. The only
thing I have to hang my hat on is our
regular season games, whether we're winless or whether we're gonna
win eight games. I'm giving everything I have and you
taking that away from me. And he was pissed off,
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and I think the respect around the league even went up.
And I've been saying this over and over and over again.
They were gonna get two first round picks. I did
not understand when people like I don't think they're gonna
get the Micah Hall. I'd argue right now, they got more.
Now both teams have picks in twenty twenty seven. I
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think the Cowboys traded one of them. It's gonna be
the higher version that's gonna go to the Jets for
Quinn Williams, so they might end up with the Packers pick.
But the Cowboys got picked twenty this year for Micah Parsons,
and let's be real, they are lucky as shit to
have that pick. If Micah doesn't get injured, if they
don't imply in that playoff game, that picks like twenty
four to twenty five, Hell could be twenty eight, twenty nine.
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The Raiders just got pick fourteen in two months pick fourteen.
If you were a betman, you'd say the Packers and
the Ravens more than likely will have similar seasons next year.
I can see both their picks being in the middle
of twenty of the twenties. But you would rather have
pick one and fourteen than you rather than pick seven
and eight. I mean getting the fourteenth overall pick, when
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you have the number one pick and also the top
pick in every round is a very very powerful thing.
I think Warren Sharp tweeted this out. He's the analytic
gambling guy. This is the most draft capital a team
has ever had, just because of the power of that
fourteenth pick along with their top picks in every round,
and they have multiple picks in some rounds as well.
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But this was there were other teams sniffing around, right
like the Cowboys, the jag some of these teams, it's
like they were not gonna get this type haul from
anyone else because all the good teams, either the Lions
or the Bears or the Niners or some of these
other teams that would be interested their picks are gonna
be in the twenties. So they got to the point,
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and this is why I think this trade was announced
so far ahead of free agency, where it's like, there's
no way we could do better than this. I'm sure
some people offered a one in two two's, maybe potentially
two first round picks, but they were in the twenties. Like,
it doesn't get any better than pick fourteen, even if
next year is pick thirty. I mean you have the chance.
Kyle Hamilton was once the fourteenth overall pick. That is prime,
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prime real estate. So I think John Spytek deserves a
lot of credit. I do believe that they weren't just
dead set on trading Max Crosby, given what he brings
to their team on and off the field, but they
got an offer they couldn't refuse. No different when the
Chiefs traded McDuffie. I don't think there was any other
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team in the league that would have thought even contemplated
for more than a second giving the Chiefs the first
round pick for Trett McDuffie. Then if you look in
the second round, you know, bad teams, if you're drafting
in the thirties, aren't gonna give up their pick thirty
for Trett McDuffie, and they give them thirty million dollars,
it's gonna be the good teams, well, their picks don't
come till like the fifties. So you could argue that
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the Chiefs probably went into this okay with like there
might be a chance. The best we can do is
like pick forty nine to get rid of Trt McDuffie,
and then a couple of weeks later, they they're a
couple of weeks past the combine, they get picked twenty nine.
When John Spytech and they had the meetings at the
end of the season. Once Max causes stick like, hey
we might have to trade this guy. At the combine,
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you're they probably thought, hey, what's are our goal is
going to be two first round picks. Then once you
get enough teams involved, probably gonna happen. You probably think
it's gonna be two picks in the mid to late twenties.
And then when the dust shittles, you have a pick
fourteen for a team that kind of needs everything. Is
an incredible haul. I mean it truly is. And as
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someone that thought they would get two first round picks,
I never, for a million years, thought that that one
of the picks, especially the pick going into this draft,
would be this high. Now it's also an outlier situation.
You know, the Ravens had never given up a first
round pick for a player, and they historically have acquired
a lot of good veteran players, most recently Roquan Smith
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when I was younger, you know, Steve Smith Senior and
Kwon Bolden. They've done it with countless players. Kalays Campbell,
but Shannon Sharp once upon a time. You know, Ozzie
Newson's big thing was play like a raven. That they
have a certain type, and Max Crosby falls right under that.
Derrick Henry falls right under that. But I think they
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had to have these long conversations like this is a
bold move, this is going to be a big swing.
And I appreciate anyone in life, and this is one
of the those other things you think about teaching your
son of Like sometimes in life, most people the action
is on the edges. The reason the fruit grows at
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the edge of the branch. The most sturdy part of
the tree is the middle. So you want to get
the fruit, you kind of got to climb out there
a little bit to do it. You got to put
yourself out there and listen. Just because you take big
swings doesn't guarantee anything. Chris Ballard went all in for
Sauce Gardner. It blew up in his face immediately. We're
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all gonna make mistakes, and I'm not trying to shit
on Chris Ballard here. He made a calculated move. It
was a calculated risk and it did not pay off.
And it is something I think clearly today, several months
away from the move, he regrets doing given the information
that he has. But that's not how life works. You
make decisions based on the information you have at the time.
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You don't get to go six months in advance and go,
what's this going to look like that this could be
a disaster, This could be a problem eventually for the Ravens.
But for a team that I would say mostly has
been extremely conservative with their draft picks, been extremely conservative
with how they do business. They have notoriously let guys
walk over and over in free agency because they love
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these cop picks that they get and they are draft
and developed franchise. Well, their owner put us you know
what on the table and said, you know what, John Harbaugh,
You're gone fired as coach, and something that I honestly
I thought was a pretty shocking move. But it does
feel like he's kind of given some life to this
organization of like, let's put our nuts on the table
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a little bit more here, let's stop being so goddamn conservative.
We have a two time MVP winner at quarterback. We
have one of the best players in the league on
defense at Kyle Hamilton. We have one of the best
cultures in the league, in our locker room, in our facility,
where the Baltimore freaking Ravens go for it. And this
is a go for it move. And Max Crosby to me,
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when you close your eyes, you go, what type team
does he feel like? He feels like a Baltimore Raven
feels like he could have been on the Pittsburgh Steelers
fifteen years ago. That that's the type player that he is.
And I commend the Ravens for making a bold move.
Now here's the thing I said when they made the
Dj Moore trade that the Bills are AFC championship or bust.
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The Ravens making this trade is the same thing. And obviously,
if you make the AFC Championship at either one of
those teams not being in the Super Bowl as a disaster.
So I think both the Bills and the Ravens, who
were the betting favorites last year in August to win
the Super Bowl. The Ravens didn't make the Super Bowl,
or I mean didn't make the playoffs clearly and win
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eight games, and the Bills lost in the second round.
Both of them should can their coach because it was
like the expectations couldn't have been any higher, and the
Chiefs didn't make it. So I think they're both well
run organists. They both have Hall of Fame quarterbacks. But
it's now or never and these moves like you're living
in these next short windows. Why did the Rams make
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their move because they've been living, you know, year to
year with Matt Stafford, so last year when they booted
Cooper Cup and went to get DeVante Adams that they're
not thinking five years from now that there's no guarantee
they're going to figure out their quarterback. There's no guarantee
McVeigh might not take a couple of years off. Like
you're living in the now, and that's the way the
NFL is like, especially when you're good, you got to
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take advantage of every single year. And I think people
that have been critical of the Bills of like they
haven't been aggressive enough, you know the Ravens. That's never
been their style. And it kind of backfied this year
because they didn't feel quite as talented and they made
a massive move. There was a ton of pressure. And
this is what is cool about the NFL. You know,
Sean McVay, they have a super Bowl level mindset, and
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you could argue a super Bowl level team, but if
they don't win it, Sean mcvan's, Matt Stafford have one right.
They have a ring. They're champions, So whether they win
it or not this year, you can never take that
away from now. If they win a second one, you
go from being viewed as a champion to being viewed
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as a legend, to being viewed as a historic individual
in the history of this sport. The Ravens and Josh,
or the Ravens and Lamar and the Bills and Josh
are looking to just throw their hat in the ring.
In history, we've seen a lot of guys win MVPs
and never win a Super Bowl. Hell, in recent memory,
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Stafford did it, Cam Newton did it. These guys had
great individual seasons. Now I think Lamar Jackson and Josh
Allen are better than those guys, But like, are you
gonna put a ring on your finger? Are you going
to get to a Super Bowl. The Ravens had an
incredible opportunity two years ago when they hosted the Chiefs
and they blew it. They shit the bed. This year,
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the Bills they're playing bo freaking Knicks. You gotta win
that game, and they didn't do it. Josh had a
weird game, their defense didn't come through. Coach got fired
because of it. So I think the Bills and the Ravens,
all their chips are in the middle of the table. Well,
they play in the same conference. Well it's not like
they both can win the conference. And you would say,
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historically the conferences is really good at the top. It's
going to be very difficult. But I do respect both
teams doing everything possible, even if trading all this for
a twenty eight to twenty nine year old guy that's
had some injuries. Like, I get the skepticism, but I
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also can overlook that for the type guy doesn't booze.
All he does is football. All he wants to do
is win, plays his ass off, will immediately be a
plug and play guy in big games. Is Taylor made
for this stuff? And like I understand because like what
about four years from now? What about four years from now?
Who cares? What about twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven.
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on the on the Raiders. You get these opportunities with
these picks. And I saw it when I was doing radio,
and they traded Khalil Mack and they traded to Marii Cooper.
So they traded Khalil Mack right before the regular season
started the regular season. Then they traded Amari Cooper. You know,
in the middle of the year of the Cowboys. They
had three first round picks in one draft and they
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blew it right. Josh Jacobs I think was their last pick,
but they took I think David Arnett or Leatherwood and
Cleveland Ferrell. It was a disastrous draft. Part of once
you make one of these big trades, is you gotta
nail the pick, Like the Micah Parsons trade looks a
lot better if it picked twenty, they get a high
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end starter. So it's easy to do these and we
constantly are evaluating these trades when the trades made, then
when the draft picks happened, and then as the draft
picks plays and how the veteran does. So it's a
fluid process. But there is a lot of pressure on
spy Deech with pick fourteen, and he has an opportunity
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if he does it right, if Mendoza becomes if he
becomes Jared Goff and they get an impact player at fourteen.
They already got Bowers, you know, gent should be a
solid player. They can find other offensive linemen eventually build
up this defense. Within a couple of years, they could
be a good team. That they could be a really
really good team because they already have a couple core
pieces and it all comes down to nailing to pick fourteen,
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Like do you get a Pro Bowl level guy or
you just get like, okay, starter And we'll find out.
I guess we won't know in a couple months, but
we'll know in a couple of years, which is not
the business Sieman. We'll be talking about it the whole time.
But this is the NFL's fun. Trades are fun. Did
these last you know? From DJ Moore to Trent McDuffie
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to Max Crosby to hopefully Jalen Carter and aj Brown
sign me up for this stuff? Speaking of trades, potentially
Jalen Carter. When the headline came out that they had
extended Jordan Davis, I went, WHOA, because there have been
some rumors on the old interweb of you know, the
Raiders or excuse me, the Eagles, you know, are they
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gonna pay forty forty five million to Jalen Carter, who
clearly is one of the most talented players in the league.
And was like, ah, I'm not quite comfortable doing that.
And then they extend Jordan Davis, and you go, would
they be better off if they're uncomfortable doing this giving
Jordan Davis and Jalx Hunt a bunch of money and
getting two players that they feel good about on and
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off the field than one of the biggest wild cards
in the league. And then there have been some stories
that Jeremy Fowler, who has taught the combine super nice
guy report. They're already getting calls about Jalen Carter. Here's
what I would tell you. If you are an opposing
general manager and you were talking to Howie Roseman on
the phone about Jalen Carter, hang up the phone. You
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should not be interested in acquiring Jalen Carter, because you
tell me, it's one thing if you can't afford a player.
That's why Khalil Mack was traded. Once upon a time.
The Raiders did not have the financial wherewithal to give
him the contract. The Bears did that. They couldn't give
him the signing bonus. It was a financial situation. It
had nothing to do with the player or the person.
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It was one hundred percent money. Well, I know money's
not an issue with the Eagles. Their owner fucking gives
it out like it's grown on trees. So you go,
is Howie not into sweet defensive linemen? That's definitely not
the case. Never forget he felt to nine for a reason.
He was the best player in his draft by a
country model. We've seen him when he's healthy on the field.
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He is a dominant NFL player, So why wouldn't they
resign him run. If they do, you have Big Tom,
you have four or five Georgia defenders on your team
that played with him in college. Because if you don't,
you should not be interested. It's really that simple. And
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if Howie is able to unload Jalen Carter for a Hall,
he is, He's truly one of the great general managers
in the history of league. And I get it, talent
Trump's all, but these teams, I just think most of
these teams would have no shot with the infrastructure to
handle what they'd be getting in business with, especially given
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that part of trading for him, which would not be cheap,
you know, in terms of draft capital, would then force
you to give him a historic NFL contract. So I
just think that some of these teams, if he's able
to offload him, that should tell you everything you need
to know. It really should. I mean, I mean, look
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look at what the Eagles do when you're good. They
retain you meet Obviously, if they draft you Lane Johnson, Kelsey,
DeVante Smith, you know, Jordan Davis, they will Quinn and
Mitchell and Cooper dejen will both get big contracts if
they sign you as a free agent, and then you're
sweet like the Linebackers Act. Bond immediately give you a
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sweet extension, Saquon Barkley, give you throw more money at
you as a thank you. They take care of their
guys that ball. So if they are open to trading
you and your bawling man red flag some stories coming
out right now because Travis Kelsey is a free agent
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for the first time, a true free agent, like going
to free agency in his career, that he is going
to talk to multiple teams. And I talked to Colin
about this. The NFL is very difficult. It's a salary
cap league. Even when you have legendary players like Ronnie
Lott did not finish his career on the Joe Montana,
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Tom Brady, like Peyton Manning was cut the NFL. The
Seattle lob led by Sherman in that crew are still
bitter about the way it all ended, like guys, welcome
to the NFL. Like that's just kind of the way
it goes. Most people do not go out like John Elway,
you know, on the stage winning his back to back
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Super Bowl and retire. That's not usually the way it works.
Usually people play on another team. That's the way sports work.
It's very very rare for a guy to just run
it out. Michael Jordan played on the Wizards, So Travis
is not only gonna get his number retired one day
in Kansas City, he along with Mahomes and Andy Reid
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and Chris Jones, like these guys are gonna get like statues.
He's one of the most legendary figures on the field
in the prime of his career, in the history of
the league. I think he's the greatest pass catching tight
end I've ever seen and big game player. He's just
he's the ultimate winner. But there comes a point we
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saw this. It's different because Cam hasn't had the same
level of success, but Cam Jordan missed two games and
fifteen years for the New Orleans Saints, two games and
fifteen years. He's given him everything he's had on and
off the field from a leadership standpoint, team captain standpoint,
production standpoint. Comes a point in time like listen, we
appreciate everything you've done, but we got to move in
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a different direction. And I think the Chiefs it's one
of those like listen, Travis, here's our number, which is
gonna sound like a you know, a slight to you,
right three four five million dollars, which we basically know
you're gonna say no to. So essentially what you do
is like you almost don't even offer him a contract.
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And I do think that Travis. One team that makes
a ton of if I was a betting man right now,
a team that I'd be stunned if he not only
is you know, there was a story today that at
the start of free agency, or the tampering period, in
the middle of Monday, you are allowed to have five
zooms because before you could just talk to the agent
and negotiate the contract, but you couldn't talk to the
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player until the free agency officially started a couple of
days later. You're allowed to do up to five total
zooms with players, so you can get your head coach,
your GM, your coordinators, and zoom a guy, almost like
a pitch meeting like you would do in college. One
team to me that makes a ton of sense is
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the New York Giants. They have a young corps of
offensive guys quarterback, wide receiver, running back. You bring in
a guy with pelts on the wall rings on his
finger who knows the offensive coordinator. Naggi has known this
guy since he was drafted and then spent the last
however many years around him, you know, winning these Super Bowls.
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So the coordinator knows him who's calling the offense. The
head coach really really values championship mentality, championship habits. Well,
one thing about Kelsey is a fantastic practice player. To me,
if you're the Giants, like, is it worth overpaying? Now,
it's a little risky for Kelsey, right, You're going to
a team that is not guaranteed to be good next year,
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especially if there are talented teams like playoff contenders or
teams that are locked to be in the playoffs that
are interested in your services. Like what if the Chargers
call and you're like, hey, I could live in LA,
play at golf, play for hardball. But I do think
New York, especially a factor in Taylor, has an operation there.
I think she lives there. Technically, when you have a
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jet as big as hers you can, it's like I
just drove two hours somewhere. That'd be the equivalent of
me flying from Scottsdale to Dallas. So it's like when
you have jets, you driving three or four hours is
no different than me hopping in the planet, going across
the country, Like we're operating at different levels and we're
not caring about the fake tree planning thing that Kawhi
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invested in. We're just hopping in that jet and doing
what other fuck we want to do. And I think
that Travis and the New York Giants make a lot
of sense. Now. I do wonder if some of the
good teams would be interested, but usually the good teams
you don't have as much money to deal with. There
are price points on how much you can spend. Some
of the teams with a lot of cap space, even
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like a Seattle and it's like, are you gonna give
Travis Kelce two years twenty million dollars or something? Probably not.
Would Travis want to go live in Seattle? A little doubtful.
I mean, let's face it, it's kind of a celebrity.
He's kind of like a you know, famous NBA players.
Like the market kind of matters. That's where I think
the Giants make a ton of sense. And if I
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was a betting man, I have no inside information, I
would say, if Travis Kelce is not a chief, which
I kind of don't expect him to be a chief,
I would expect him to be on the New York Giants,
and I also listen. It's not like Veach or Andy
would ask advice for me. I just think it's time,
and that's sometimes just time to move on. And it's hard,
it's not easy, but it's when you get to the point,
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like you have to make tough financial decisions, and this
is a tough financial decision given that his play is
not quite the same. And I also think sometimes with
an older player, when you go somewhere new, it's no
different than an individual like myself or yourself listening to this,
you can get kind of stuck in a rut. Even
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if you're having a lot of success in a job
and a profession, it life can become kind of monotonous.
Right you ever change a job, get a new role,
it kind of sparks a fire of just creativity, of passion,
of just like ambition. I don't even know how to
quite describe it, but there's like an edge brought back
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to you that sometimes can leave you after a while.
And I think it's no different with players, especially older
players that get to go to a new spot, it's
like hell yeah, almost like I get to prove people
wrong all over again, And if I was on Travis's side,
I'd be like, now, we got to be careful about
where we pick. I wouldn't just go play for the
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Arizona Cardinals or Seattle you know, not the Seattle Seahawks,
but I think they're gonna be very brand conscious of
putting him, Like he's not gonna play for the Minnesota Vikings. Right,
there are certain markets, is like, he ain't going there?
Would he go to the Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants,
like you can kind of see there'd be some spots
like I could see that. I don't picture him going
to like the Atlanta Falcons, you know, and these are
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no shots at any of these individual teams. But we
just got to be real. I mean, there's probably a
small small list of organizations that he would even entertain,
you know, playing it and listen, he's you know, if
you're just listing the free agents, he's not one of
the top guys. And this is not some class that
is great, right, Who's the best free agent in this class?
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Tyler Lindenmom, I saw some lists with Daniel Jones, like
a if Daniel Jones a top five free agent in
a given class, it's a bad class. It is a
Kenneth Walker excellent end of the season. Like he's had
a meh career. You know when I see some of
these people like you're gonna give him thirteen fourteen million
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dollars a year? Pretty risky, It's pretty risky. Now, maybe
he's gotten over the hump and he's gonna be a
good player for the next several years. But there were
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We're all listen. Who our parents are and when we're
born is clearly out of our control. But there has
never ever been a better time to play in the
NFL forever, even like ten years ago. It's like, God,
you know, the NFL might be more popular, but look
how much more of these basketball and baseball players make.
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And obviously you know we got Kyler Kyle Tucker making
sixty million dollars a year with player options after year two,
and the NBA money is just funny money. Now, granted,
there are only twelve guys on a roster, and only
five guys on the court, and really only two guys
on a team that matter. And if you're an individual
that does matter, your level of importance is such a
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outweigh so many other guys on the roster that you
make an absorbited amount of money forever. It's like these
NFL guys are way underpaid compared to these other guys.
Now we're gonna see some of these quarterbacks over the
life of their career make four or five hundred, six
hundred million dollars. Right. Derek Carr, who who knows if
he's gonna unretire and come out, made two hundred million
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dollars playing quarterback in the NFL two hundred million dollars.
Kirk Cousins made over three hundred million dollars. Now, they
were the quarterbacks, But what about the other players. Khalil
Mack just got a one year, eighteen million dollar contract
for the Chargers. So I was like, you know what,
how about Khalil Mack made in his NFL career. I
would have guessed like one hundred and fifty million dollars
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and I googled it, like, what did JJ Watt make
in his career? Because Hall of Fame level guy, great
player signed a pretty big contract at the end of
his career with the Cardinals. JJ Watt made one hundred
and thirty million dollars, which, don't get me wrong, is
an astronomical amount of money. Khalil mack at the end
of this year, and listen, if he stays healthy, he's
gonna get another contract. At the end of this year,
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will have made almost two hundred and twenty million dollars. Now, granted,
he's played in Illinois, and he's played in California, and
he's played at California again, like, he's played nine texts,
so it's not like he's pocketed all this money. But
he's made a lot of money playing defensive end and
pass rusher in the NFL, and these guys now at
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these premium positions pass rushers. Max Crosby, when it's all
said and done, he was a late round pick. So
those first several years he didn't make any money. But
he's twenty eight years old right now. For example, Khalil's
thirty five. If you assume that Max Crosby can maintain
a high level play till he's Khalil's age, he'll make
two hundred and fifty million dollars. So the timing of
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being a good player Khalil Mack pretty sure is a
little off the cuff here. I didn't do my research
on this one. I don't think he's ever won a
playoff game. Didn't obviously didn't win one with the Raiders,
the weird Derek got hurt. They lost, win a couple
times in Chicago. They never won one, right the one
year the dwink and then a couple years later they
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were an eight to eight team and lost. And in
his Chargers career they have not won a playoff game.
Because Herbert, it's right. It's one of the main talking points.
He's been terrible in the playoffs. They haven't done anything. Well,
you look at Khalil Mack, you go, that's incredible. Now, granted,
football lots out of it. Listen, Max Crosby's a winning player.
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It's not his fault that he's played with a bunch
of scrubs. You know, a lots out of here. This
isn't basketball where you can be Lebron James even you're
playing with scrubs in the prime of your career. You're
gonna your team's gonna win fifty games. But I just
some of the money getting thrown around, and you're gonna
see this like the center. Historically, getting a guard center
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you wouldn't unless they were like an all time great player,
you wouldn't give a huge contract to because it was
easy to find those guys. You could always find a Kelsey,
he's best case scenario. But a guy like that in
the fifth round, a good guard in the sixth, a random,
you know, seven year starter in the fourth. That has
become a lot more difficult with the spread offenses in college,
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with the transfer portal, it is much more difficult to
find guards and centers who are going to translate to
the NFL, which I think has led to a lot
of guys, once they established their decent NFL players getting
overpaid in free agency. I mean, last year, the forty
nine ers let Aaron Banks, the guard from Notre Dame,
who had been you know, he had started the whole time.
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I think he was pretty marginal at best, get a
big contract from the Packers. I was like, God, that's
that's pretty bold. And I think a year in they
clearly regret that deal. So, but you got to be aggressive,
and that's part of free agencies. You typically have to
pay a tax, right, a premium to acquire a player
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in free agency. This is back to the Crosby thing. Well,
why do you have to do that because typically you
have multiple teams bidding on a guy services Right, if
I said, hey, is the tenth pick in the draft,
and whoever has the tenth pick, the eleventh pick, and
the twelfth pick all have access to that tenth pick,
and whoever wants an individual player can get the tenth pick.
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They just have to give up other ones of their
picks in the draft. Well, teams would get aggressive and
be like, hey, we'll give we really want this guy ten.
We'll willing to give up our fourth round pick to
make sure we get him at ten if we have
to bid against these other two teams because we all
get this slot. But when you just have to pick
and you don't have to bid against anybody, you can
just pick wherever you want. It's no different when you're
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negotiating with the guy and extending him early on your team. Well,
some guys have the balls and the nutsack and the
agent to kind of convince him like, hold out for
a couple more years, we can get you the biggest
contract in the history league or the team throws Hey listen, yeah,
that could go that way, or in the middle of
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the season you could shatter a limb. Never be the same,
never play in the NFL again. I'm currently offering you
seventy eight million dollars guaranteed and total value of a
contract worth one hundred and thirty million dollars. And if
things go well, more likely you will see every penny
of this contract, or we'll negotiate in a couple of
years and extend the thing again. So listen, I know
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you're a third on pick. I know you've banked two
and a half million dollars in your career. We're offering
you close to eighty million dollars the moment you put
pen to paper. So if you if you got this,
if you got the stones to hold out a couple
of years to maybe make that number be one hundred
and five, you got balls, kid. But if you want
to do business, We're willing to do business right now
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and make you the richest man in the history of
your family and a guy that you know set yourself
up and your kids up for life, which I always
push back against now having a child. You know, it's
not like my dad left me a big pot of gold.
But if he did, like let's just say my dad
had left been some super rich guy, it just left
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me fifty million dollars when he died. Would I be
doing this right now? Would I be working on a
Sunday afternoon, well my eight week goals? Inside my my
wife's just hanging out, like eating some snacks, watched TV.
Or would I be in there with them? So I
never quite understand of like this generational wealth to give
my you're just gonna give your kids a bunch of
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free money. It's always it's like a little pet peeve
of mine because everyone celebrates it on social media, like
isn't part of it? But then they also like crushing nepotism.
Don't we want to teach our family members, our our children,
like the proper way to you know, be ambitious, to
go your own path. You just give people free money? Fuck,
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why are you doing anything? I've never quite understood that.
But when you're making this much money, it's like you
can spend it all in a lifetime, so you're gonna
give a bunch of your kids, and if you have
pretty good financial advisors and the market keeps ripping over
the course of the next twenty thirty years, you're gonna make
that decent amount of money, which is a lot of money,
into a lot more money, but fascinating times. It's one
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thing that this has always stood out to me because
the media, who in this weird way like hates business
right like politically, like they're on the side very anti business,
anti big money people. Yet anytime that an athlete makes
like some huge deals, like generational wealth for this guy
and his family, So you're just telling me, like his
great grandkids aren't gonna have to do dick, Like there's
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what are they gonna contribute to society just sitting at
home cashing their dividends? You know? Like is that is
that good? Uh? That's just random rant, but it's something
that is really kind of I've noticed this for a
long time. It's always stuck out to me, and I've
always wondered, Uh, listen, I I wouldn't have turned down
if my dad would have been like, you know before
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before I passed you. I just want to let you know,
got seventy five million dollars, uh with with Billy at
Wells Fargo. So just you go to you go tomorrow
and it's all yours. I would have been like, damn, thanks,
but I'll promise this. That probably wouldn't have done much since, right,
I wouldn't some of these guys that have made just
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I mean, especially in basketball or baseball, like what are
they gonna do with it all? What are their children
gonna do? Listen, I've seen Tom talk about this. You know,
Tom clearly grew up like his dad was a successful businessman,
but I don't. I think he was multi millionaire as
a kid. It's like, you know, it's a challenge raising
my children, try to teach them to kind of be
normal humans in society when they just all they know
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is like they don't know what Southwest or American Airlines is.
That they won't know what that is. Think about that
you just don't know what American Airlines is. It'll humble you.
Right when I was flying back from the combine and
I missed my flight and had to like change the
next flight, and they threw me on the back of
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the bird. I'm in the middle, middle seat with two
smelly kind of one guy's kind of fat. I'm like,
oh my god, I'm hungover, i haven't slept. But sometimes
you gotta just put a little shock to the system,
like John, just don't get fat and happy. Here, buddy,
this is this is it baby, NFL free agency, it's here.
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Let's go the volume.
The volume. What is going on everybody, John Middlecoff three
and Out podcast. Hopefully everyone is doing well out there
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in the real world. And today we're going to react
to a trade that is now. I don't know if
you're listening this on Monday. It's a couple of days old,
but the Raiders have traded Max Crosby to the Baltimore
Ravens for a hul pick fourteen pick twenty twenty seven
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to one, which on paper right now is more than
what the Cowboys got for Mike Parsons. So we will
dive into every angle, starting with Max the person, the player,
his loyalty to the Raiders, spy tech pulling the trigger,
the Ravens doing something that's a little have normal from historically,
they've never traded a pick that high the Eagles. There
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are some rumors right now about Jalen Carter. Travis Kelcey
is potentially gonna sign with another team not named the
Kansay Chiefs. Khalil Mack has re signed with the Chargers,
so we will have the next couple of days the
free agent frenzy. The free agents aren't great, but I'm
sure we will get more trades. We will get more action.
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So this is a busy, busy time for GMS assistant
GMS pro scouting directors, coaching staffs. This is fun, so
buckle up. We will have you covered all week long,
talking football, talking free agency, and love this time of year.
So it gives us a little couple of weeks to
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you know, react to stuff before we get in to
the stretch of the draft, which is fun too. But
you know, by the time we get to the middle
of April, we're ready for the draft. So this is
this kind of sets the tone for what teams like,
Oh maybe they won't pick, you know, a running back,
or maybe they won't pick a linebacker. So it's fascinating
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team building exercise. Obviously, a lot of teams have money
and some teams don't. So we will dive into it
all today and tomorrow we'll dive back into it. We'll
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dive into the pod and I want to start a
big picture on the player because I do feel for
Raider fans. This is a franchise, especially if you are
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an older fan, that will once as good as it got.
I mean, historically they've had John Madden, They've had countless
Hall of Famers, they had one of the most legendary
owners in the history of sports. They won Super Bowls
in the eighties, they resurrected the franchise with John Gruden,
and then once they made the trade. Over the course
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of the last twenty three years, after they made the
Super Bowl in two thousand and two, it has not
been good. And in twenty three years they have made
the playoffs twice and obviously have not won a playoff game.
It has been a lot of ugly and during that time,
especially during the you know, Postyle Davis era, which was
like twenty eleven twenty twelve, I thought they had two
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guys who were just all in who the Raiders meant
everything to and you know, Khalil Mackamari Cooper were both traded.
But to me, Khalil not that he wasn't passionate about
a Raider, but listen, he's a modern day athlete who
was gonna pay him the most. The Raiders weren't see
you later audios Amari Laissez Fair didn't give a shit,
But Derek Carr was all in. Now we can argue
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if he was good enough. I do think in twenty
sixteen before he hurt his ankle, you know, he was
competing to you know, win the MVP that year. They
were going to be the number one seed, and after
that happened, it was kind of hit or missed for
the rest of his Raider tenure obviously ended weird with Josh,
but I Derek was a very solid player for the
Raiders for a long time. Max to me's a Hall
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of Fame level guy, and his passion for the brand,
his passion for the team. If you haven't got a chance,
His ten to twelve minute goodbye is one of the cooler,
more genuine things I've ever seen. I mean, the modern
day athlete just has their agency or their manager take
some picture of them, put it on some cool backdrop,
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and then write words in the middle of thank you
and goodbye, and I love you, and it's somewhat hollow
and listen, in fairness, maybe those guys don't care. They're
just businessmen, which I'm tol okay with. It did feel
that Max was much more. He loved being a raider.
It meant everything to him, the organization, the effort. Sometimes
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not to get sentimental here, but I'll just be sitting
there in silence, looking at my eight week old or
seven week old or whatever old he is. I'll just
be staring at Jack and I'll think, God, I got
There's a lot of pressure on me to teach this
guy some just core value life lessons in life. And
you spend a lot of time, and any father knows
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thinking of, you know, what are the things that I'm
going to instill in this human? What are going to
be some of his core values that are not negotiables?
And I do think Max kind of encapsulates a couple
of things that I am one hundred percent which I
would have done this, whether I was thinking about it
over the last couple of weeks or not. Of like
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passion for what you do. And I think most of
us are walking to rooms with smart people and are
never going to be the smartest guy in the room,
and you can go a long way. I can only
speak to America, but in this country, all in the
world that we live in, by just giving all out
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effort in what you do all the time, consistently, go hard,
and in football that means physical energy. In some of
our professions it could be mental energy. But give all
you have when you're gonna do something, go all in.
What did they say in what was the movie called
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with Mark Wahlberg, It's I want to say American Sniper,
but it's not. It's Lone Survivor. That moderation is for cowards.
Anything worth doing is worth overdoing. And I think Max
Crosby represents what every coach really values in a guy
whose effort is just great all the time. And to
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have great effort, you've got to be in great shape,
you got to be prepared. This was a guy that
after his rookie year, checked himself into rehab, and anyone
that's followed his career, you're just like, this guy's just
a certified badass, changed his life, cleaned up his life,
and absolutely dominates on the field for mostly an awful organization.
So if I totally understand Raider fans even if you go,
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which will dive into the compensation being bummed, because this
guy wasn't just a badass on the field. He wanted
to play for your team. I mean, how many players
in football and basketball and baseball cosmic stinks force trades
want somewhere else. I do believe that up until the
end of the year, the Max would have been very
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cool being a Raider for life. And I think when
he said it, he meant it, and when they benched
him or forced him to get knee surgery like it
was the right move. It was the proper business move.
And I think it also represents why Max Crosby is
who he is that he was like, fuck you, I
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don't give a shit about the number one overall pick.
I want to play because in this team, it's not
like we're playing a lot of playoff games. The only
thing I have to hang my hat on is our
regular season games, whether we're winless or whether we're gonna
win eight games. I'm giving everything I have and you
taking that away from me. And he was pissed off,
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and I think the respect around the league even went up.
And I've been saying this over and over and over again.
They were gonna get two first round picks. I did
not understand when people like I don't think they're gonna
get the Micah Hall. I'd argue right now, they got more.
Now both teams have picks in twenty twenty seven. I
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think the Cowboys traded one of them. It's gonna be
the higher version that's gonna go to the Jets for
Quinn Williams, so they might end up with the Packers pick.
But the Cowboys got picked twenty this year for Micah Parsons,
and let's be real, they are lucky as shit to
have that pick. If Micah doesn't get injured, if they
don't imply in that playoff game, that picks like twenty
four to twenty five, Hell could be twenty eight, twenty nine.
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The Raiders just got pick fourteen in two months pick fourteen.
If you were a betman, you'd say the Packers and
the Ravens more than likely will have similar seasons next year.
I can see both their picks being in the middle
of twenty of the twenties. But you would rather have
pick one and fourteen than you rather than pick seven
and eight. I mean getting the fourteenth overall pick, when
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you have the number one pick and also the top
pick in every round is a very very powerful thing.
I think Warren Sharp tweeted this out. He's the analytic
gambling guy. This is the most draft capital a team
has ever had, just because of the power of that
fourteenth pick along with their top picks in every round,
and they have multiple picks in some rounds as well.
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But this was there were other teams sniffing around, right
like the Cowboys, the jag some of these teams, it's
like they were not gonna get this type haul from
anyone else because all the good teams, either the Lions
or the Bears or the Niners or some of these
other teams that would be interested their picks are gonna
be in the twenties. So they got to the point,
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and this is why I think this trade was announced
so far ahead of free agency, where it's like, there's
no way we could do better than this. I'm sure
some people offered a one in two two's, maybe potentially
two first round picks, but they were in the twenties. Like,
it doesn't get any better than pick fourteen, even if
next year is pick thirty. I mean you have the chance.
Kyle Hamilton was once the fourteenth overall pick. That is prime,
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prime real estate. So I think John Spytek deserves a
lot of credit. I do believe that they weren't just
dead set on trading Max Crosby, given what he brings
to their team on and off the field, but they
got an offer they couldn't refuse. No different when the
Chiefs traded McDuffie. I don't think there was any other
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team in the league that would have thought even contemplated
for more than a second giving the Chiefs the first
round pick for Trett McDuffie. Then if you look in
the second round, you know, bad teams, if you're drafting
in the thirties, aren't gonna give up their pick thirty
for Trett McDuffie, and they give them thirty million dollars,
it's gonna be the good teams, well, their picks don't
come till like the fifties. So you could argue that
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the Chiefs probably went into this okay with like there
might be a chance. The best we can do is
like pick forty nine to get rid of Trt McDuffie,
and then a couple of weeks later, they they're a
couple of weeks past the combine, they get picked twenty nine.
When John Spytech and they had the meetings at the
end of the season. Once Max causes stick like, hey
we might have to trade this guy. At the combine,
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you're they probably thought, hey, what's are our goal is
going to be two first round picks. Then once you
get enough teams involved, probably gonna happen. You probably think
it's gonna be two picks in the mid to late twenties.
And then when the dust shittles, you have a pick
fourteen for a team that kind of needs everything. Is
an incredible haul. I mean it truly is. And as
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someone that thought they would get two first round picks,
I never, for a million years, thought that that one
of the picks, especially the pick going into this draft,
would be this high. Now it's also an outlier situation.
You know, the Ravens had never given up a first
round pick for a player, and they historically have acquired
a lot of good veteran players, most recently Roquan Smith
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when I was younger, you know, Steve Smith Senior and
Kwon Bolden. They've done it with countless players. Kalays Campbell,
but Shannon Sharp once upon a time. You know, Ozzie
Newson's big thing was play like a raven. That they
have a certain type, and Max Crosby falls right under that.
Derrick Henry falls right under that. But I think they
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had to have these long conversations like this is a
bold move, this is going to be a big swing.
And I appreciate anyone in life, and this is one
of the those other things you think about teaching your
son of Like sometimes in life, most people the action
is on the edges. The reason the fruit grows at
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the edge of the branch. The most sturdy part of
the tree is the middle. So you want to get
the fruit, you kind of got to climb out there
a little bit to do it. You got to put
yourself out there and listen. Just because you take big
swings doesn't guarantee anything. Chris Ballard went all in for
Sauce Gardner. It blew up in his face immediately. We're
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all gonna make mistakes, and I'm not trying to shit
on Chris Ballard here. He made a calculated move. It
was a calculated risk and it did not pay off.
And it is something I think clearly today, several months
away from the move, he regrets doing given the information
that he has. But that's not how life works. You
make decisions based on the information you have at the time.
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You don't get to go six months in advance and go,
what's this going to look like that this could be
a disaster, This could be a problem eventually for the Ravens.
But for a team that I would say mostly has
been extremely conservative with their draft picks, been extremely conservative
with how they do business. They have notoriously let guys
walk over and over in free agency because they love
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these cop picks that they get and they are draft
and developed franchise. Well, their owner put us you know
what on the table and said, you know what, John Harbaugh,
You're gone fired as coach, and something that I honestly
I thought was a pretty shocking move. But it does
feel like he's kind of given some life to this
organization of like, let's put our nuts on the table
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a little bit more here, let's stop being so goddamn conservative.
We have a two time MVP winner at quarterback. We
have one of the best players in the league on
defense at Kyle Hamilton. We have one of the best
cultures in the league, in our locker room, in our facility,
where the Baltimore freaking Ravens go for it. And this
is a go for it move. And Max Crosby to me,
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when you close your eyes, you go, what type team
does he feel like? He feels like a Baltimore Raven
feels like he could have been on the Pittsburgh Steelers
fifteen years ago. That that's the type player that he is.
And I commend the Ravens for making a bold move.
Now here's the thing I said when they made the
Dj Moore trade that the Bills are AFC championship or bust.
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The Ravens making this trade is the same thing. And obviously,
if you make the AFC Championship at either one of
those teams not being in the Super Bowl as a disaster.
So I think both the Bills and the Ravens, who
were the betting favorites last year in August to win
the Super Bowl. The Ravens didn't make the Super Bowl,
or I mean didn't make the playoffs clearly and win
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eight games, and the Bills lost in the second round.
Both of them should can their coach because it was
like the expectations couldn't have been any higher, and the
Chiefs didn't make it. So I think they're both well
run organists. They both have Hall of Fame quarterbacks. But
it's now or never and these moves like you're living
in these next short windows. Why did the Rams make
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their move because they've been living, you know, year to
year with Matt Stafford, so last year when they booted
Cooper Cup and went to get DeVante Adams that they're
not thinking five years from now that there's no guarantee
they're going to figure out their quarterback. There's no guarantee
McVeigh might not take a couple of years off. Like
you're living in the now, and that's the way the
NFL is like, especially when you're good, you got to
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take advantage of every single year. And I think people
that have been critical of the Bills of like they
haven't been aggressive enough, you know the Ravens. That's never
been their style. And it kind of backfied this year
because they didn't feel quite as talented and they made
a massive move. There was a ton of pressure. And
this is what is cool about the NFL. You know,
Sean McVay, they have a super Bowl level mindset, and
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you could argue a super Bowl level team, but if
they don't win it, Sean mcvan's, Matt Stafford have one right.
They have a ring. They're champions, So whether they win
it or not this year, you can never take that
away from now. If they win a second one, you
go from being viewed as a champion to being viewed
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as a legend, to being viewed as a historic individual
in the history of this sport. The Ravens and Josh,
or the Ravens and Lamar and the Bills and Josh
are looking to just throw their hat in the ring.
In history, we've seen a lot of guys win MVPs
and never win a Super Bowl. Hell, in recent memory,
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Stafford did it, Cam Newton did it. These guys had
great individual seasons. Now I think Lamar Jackson and Josh
Allen are better than those guys, But like, are you
gonna put a ring on your finger? Are you going
to get to a Super Bowl. The Ravens had an
incredible opportunity two years ago when they hosted the Chiefs
and they blew it. They shit the bed. This year,
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the Bills they're playing bo freaking Knicks. You gotta win
that game, and they didn't do it. Josh had a
weird game, their defense didn't come through. Coach got fired
because of it. So I think the Bills and the Ravens,
all their chips are in the middle of the table. Well,
they play in the same conference. Well it's not like
they both can win the conference. And you would say,
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historically the conferences is really good at the top. It's
going to be very difficult. But I do respect both
teams doing everything possible, even if trading all this for
a twenty eight to twenty nine year old guy that's
had some injuries. Like, I get the skepticism, but I
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also can overlook that for the type guy doesn't booze.
All he does is football. All he wants to do
is win, plays his ass off, will immediately be a
plug and play guy in big games. Is Taylor made
for this stuff? And like I understand because like what
about four years from now? What about four years from now?
Who cares? What about twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven.
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on the on the Raiders. You get these opportunities with
these picks. And I saw it when I was doing radio,
and they traded Khalil Mack and they traded to Marii Cooper.
So they traded Khalil Mack right before the regular season
started the regular season. Then they traded Amari Cooper. You know,
in the middle of the year of the Cowboys. They
had three first round picks in one draft and they
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blew it right. Josh Jacobs I think was their last pick,
but they took I think David Arnett or Leatherwood and
Cleveland Ferrell. It was a disastrous draft. Part of once
you make one of these big trades, is you gotta
nail the pick, Like the Micah Parsons trade looks a
lot better if it picked twenty, they get a high
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end starter. So it's easy to do these and we
constantly are evaluating these trades when the trades made, then
when the draft picks happened, and then as the draft
picks plays and how the veteran does. So it's a
fluid process. But there is a lot of pressure on
spy Deech with pick fourteen, and he has an opportunity
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if he does it right, if Mendoza becomes if he
becomes Jared Goff and they get an impact player at fourteen.
They already got Bowers, you know, gent should be a
solid player. They can find other offensive linemen eventually build
up this defense. Within a couple of years, they could
be a good team. That they could be a really
really good team because they already have a couple core
pieces and it all comes down to nailing to pick fourteen,
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Like do you get a Pro Bowl level guy or
you just get like, okay, starter And we'll find out.
I guess we won't know in a couple months, but
we'll know in a couple of years, which is not
the business Sieman. We'll be talking about it the whole time.
But this is the NFL's fun. Trades are fun. Did
these last you know? From DJ Moore to Trent McDuffie
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to Max Crosby to hopefully Jalen Carter and aj Brown
sign me up for this stuff? Speaking of trades, potentially
Jalen Carter. When the headline came out that they had
extended Jordan Davis, I went, WHOA, because there have been
some rumors on the old interweb of you know, the
Raiders or excuse me, the Eagles, you know, are they
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gonna pay forty forty five million to Jalen Carter, who
clearly is one of the most talented players in the league.
And was like, ah, I'm not quite comfortable doing that.
And then they extend Jordan Davis, and you go, would
they be better off if they're uncomfortable doing this giving
Jordan Davis and Jalx Hunt a bunch of money and
getting two players that they feel good about on and
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off the field than one of the biggest wild cards
in the league. And then there have been some stories
that Jeremy Fowler, who has taught the combine super nice
guy report. They're already getting calls about Jalen Carter. Here's
what I would tell you. If you are an opposing
general manager and you were talking to Howie Roseman on
the phone about Jalen Carter, hang up the phone. You
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should not be interested in acquiring Jalen Carter, because you
tell me, it's one thing if you can't afford a player.
That's why Khalil Mack was traded. Once upon a time.
The Raiders did not have the financial wherewithal to give
him the contract. The Bears did that. They couldn't give
him the signing bonus. It was a financial situation. It
had nothing to do with the player or the person.
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It was one hundred percent money. Well, I know money's
not an issue with the Eagles. Their owner fucking gives
it out like it's grown on trees. So you go,
is Howie not into sweet defensive linemen? That's definitely not
the case. Never forget he felt to nine for a reason.
He was the best player in his draft by a
country model. We've seen him when he's healthy on the field.
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He is a dominant NFL player, So why wouldn't they
resign him run. If they do, you have Big Tom,
you have four or five Georgia defenders on your team
that played with him in college. Because if you don't,
you should not be interested. It's really that simple. And
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if Howie is able to unload Jalen Carter for a Hall,
he is, He's truly one of the great general managers
in the history of league. And I get it, talent
Trump's all, but these teams, I just think most of
these teams would have no shot with the infrastructure to
handle what they'd be getting in business with, especially given
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that part of trading for him, which would not be cheap,
you know, in terms of draft capital, would then force
you to give him a historic NFL contract. So I
just think that some of these teams, if he's able
to offload him, that should tell you everything you need
to know. It really should. I mean, I mean, look
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look at what the Eagles do when you're good. They
retain you meet Obviously, if they draft you Lane Johnson, Kelsey,
DeVante Smith, you know, Jordan Davis, they will Quinn and
Mitchell and Cooper dejen will both get big contracts if
they sign you as a free agent, and then you're
sweet like the Linebackers Act. Bond immediately give you a
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sweet extension, Saquon Barkley, give you throw more money at
you as a thank you. They take care of their
guys that ball. So if they are open to trading
you and your bawling man red flag some stories coming
out right now because Travis Kelsey is a free agent
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for the first time, a true free agent, like going
to free agency in his career, that he is going
to talk to multiple teams. And I talked to Colin
about this. The NFL is very difficult. It's a salary
cap league. Even when you have legendary players like Ronnie
Lott did not finish his career on the Joe Montana,
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Tom Brady, like Peyton Manning was cut the NFL. The
Seattle lob led by Sherman in that crew are still
bitter about the way it all ended, like guys, welcome
to the NFL. Like that's just kind of the way
it goes. Most people do not go out like John Elway,
you know, on the stage winning his back to back
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Super Bowl and retire. That's not usually the way it works.
Usually people play on another team. That's the way sports work.
It's very very rare for a guy to just run
it out. Michael Jordan played on the Wizards, So Travis
is not only gonna get his number retired one day
in Kansas City, he along with Mahomes and Andy Reid
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and Chris Jones, like these guys are gonna get like statues.
He's one of the most legendary figures on the field
in the prime of his career, in the history of
the league. I think he's the greatest pass catching tight
end I've ever seen and big game player. He's just
he's the ultimate winner. But there comes a point we
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saw this. It's different because Cam hasn't had the same
level of success, but Cam Jordan missed two games and
fifteen years for the New Orleans Saints, two games and
fifteen years. He's given him everything he's had on and
off the field from a leadership standpoint, team captain standpoint,
production standpoint. Comes a point in time like listen, we
appreciate everything you've done, but we got to move in
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a different direction. And I think the Chiefs it's one
of those like listen, Travis, here's our number, which is
gonna sound like a you know, a slight to you,
right three four five million dollars, which we basically know
you're gonna say no to. So essentially what you do
is like you almost don't even offer him a contract.
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And I do think that Travis. One team that makes
a ton of if I was a betting man right now,
a team that I'd be stunned if he not only
is you know, there was a story today that at
the start of free agency, or the tampering period, in
the middle of Monday, you are allowed to have five
zooms because before you could just talk to the agent
and negotiate the contract, but you couldn't talk to the
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player until the free agency officially started a couple of
days later. You're allowed to do up to five total
zooms with players, so you can get your head coach,
your GM, your coordinators, and zoom a guy, almost like
a pitch meeting like you would do in college. One
team to me that makes a ton of sense is
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the New York Giants. They have a young corps of
offensive guys quarterback, wide receiver, running back. You bring in
a guy with pelts on the wall rings on his
finger who knows the offensive coordinator. Naggi has known this
guy since he was drafted and then spent the last
however many years around him, you know, winning these Super Bowls.
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So the coordinator knows him who's calling the offense. The
head coach really really values championship mentality, championship habits. Well,
one thing about Kelsey is a fantastic practice player. To me,
if you're the Giants, like, is it worth overpaying? Now,
it's a little risky for Kelsey, right, You're going to
a team that is not guaranteed to be good next year,
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especially if there are talented teams like playoff contenders or
teams that are locked to be in the playoffs that
are interested in your services. Like what if the Chargers
call and you're like, hey, I could live in LA,
play at golf, play for hardball. But I do think
New York, especially a factor in Taylor, has an operation there.
I think she lives there. Technically, when you have a
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jet as big as hers you can, it's like I
just drove two hours somewhere. That'd be the equivalent of
me flying from Scottsdale to Dallas. So it's like when
you have jets, you driving three or four hours is
no different than me hopping in the planet, going across
the country, Like we're operating at different levels and we're
not caring about the fake tree planning thing that Kawhi
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invested in. We're just hopping in that jet and doing
what other fuck we want to do. And I think
that Travis and the New York Giants make a lot
of sense. Now. I do wonder if some of the
good teams would be interested, but usually the good teams
you don't have as much money to deal with. There
are price points on how much you can spend. Some
of the teams with a lot of cap space, even
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like a Seattle and it's like, are you gonna give
Travis Kelce two years twenty million dollars or something? Probably not.
Would Travis want to go live in Seattle? A little doubtful.
I mean, let's face it, it's kind of a celebrity.
He's kind of like a you know, famous NBA players.
Like the market kind of matters. That's where I think
the Giants make a ton of sense. And if I
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was a betting man, I have no inside information, I
would say, if Travis Kelce is not a chief, which
I kind of don't expect him to be a chief,
I would expect him to be on the New York Giants,
and I also listen. It's not like Veach or Andy
would ask advice for me. I just think it's time,
and that's sometimes just time to move on. And it's hard,
it's not easy, but it's when you get to the point,
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like you have to make tough financial decisions, and this
is a tough financial decision given that his play is
not quite the same. And I also think sometimes with
an older player, when you go somewhere new, it's no
different than an individual like myself or yourself listening to this,
you can get kind of stuck in a rut. Even
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if you're having a lot of success in a job
and a profession, it life can become kind of monotonous.
Right you ever change a job, get a new role,
it kind of sparks a fire of just creativity, of passion,
of just like ambition. I don't even know how to
quite describe it, but there's like an edge brought back
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to you that sometimes can leave you after a while.
And I think it's no different with players, especially older
players that get to go to a new spot, it's
like hell yeah, almost like I get to prove people
wrong all over again, And if I was on Travis's side,
I'd be like, now, we got to be careful about
where we pick. I wouldn't just go play for the
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Arizona Cardinals or Seattle you know, not the Seattle Seahawks,
but I think they're gonna be very brand conscious of
putting him, Like he's not gonna play for the Minnesota Vikings. Right,
there are certain markets, is like, he ain't going there?
Would he go to the Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants,
like you can kind of see there'd be some spots
like I could see that. I don't picture him going
to like the Atlanta Falcons, you know, and these are
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no shots at any of these individual teams. But we
just got to be real. I mean, there's probably a
small small list of organizations that he would even entertain,
you know, playing it and listen, he's you know, if
you're just listing the free agents, he's not one of
the top guys. And this is not some class that
is great, right, Who's the best free agent in this class?
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Kenneth Walker excellent end of the season. Like he's had
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these people like you're gonna give him thirteen fourteen million
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We're all listen. Who our parents are and when we're
born is clearly out of our control. But there has
never ever been a better time to play in the
NFL forever, even like ten years ago. It's like, God,
you know, the NFL might be more popular, but look
how much more of these basketball and baseball players make.
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And obviously you know we got Kyler Kyle Tucker making
sixty million dollars a year with player options after year two,
and the NBA money is just funny money. Now, granted,
there are only twelve guys on a roster, and only
five guys on the court, and really only two guys
on a team that matter. And if you're an individual
that does matter, your level of importance is such a
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outweigh so many other guys on the roster that you
make an absorbited amount of money forever. It's like these
NFL guys are way underpaid compared to these other guys.
Now we're gonna see some of these quarterbacks over the
life of their career make four or five hundred, six
hundred million dollars. Right. Derek Carr, who who knows if
he's gonna unretire and come out, made two hundred million
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dollars playing quarterback in the NFL two hundred million dollars.
Kirk Cousins made over three hundred million dollars. Now, they
were the quarterbacks, But what about the other players. Khalil
Mack just got a one year, eighteen million dollar contract
for the Chargers. So I was like, you know what,
how about Khalil Mack made in his NFL career. I
would have guessed like one hundred and fifty million dollars
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and I googled it, like, what did JJ Watt make
in his career? Because Hall of Fame level guy, great
player signed a pretty big contract at the end of
his career with the Cardinals. JJ Watt made one hundred
and thirty million dollars, which, don't get me wrong, is
an astronomical amount of money. Khalil mack at the end
of this year, and listen, if he stays healthy, he's
gonna get another contract. At the end of this year,
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will have made almost two hundred and twenty million dollars. Now, granted,
he's played in Illinois, and he's played in California, and
he's played at California again, like, he's played nine texts,
so it's not like he's pocketed all this money. But
he's made a lot of money playing defensive end and
pass rusher in the NFL, and these guys now at
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these premium positions pass rushers. Max Crosby, when it's all
said and done, he was a late round pick. So
those first several years he didn't make any money. But
he's twenty eight years old right now. For example, Khalil's
thirty five. If you assume that Max Crosby can maintain
a high level play till he's Khalil's age, he'll make
two hundred and fifty million dollars. So the timing of
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being a good player Khalil Mack pretty sure is a
little off the cuff here. I didn't do my research
on this one. I don't think he's ever won a
playoff game. Didn't obviously didn't win one with the Raiders,
the weird Derek got hurt. They lost, win a couple
times in Chicago. They never won one, right the one
year the dwink and then a couple years later they
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were an eight to eight team and lost. And in
his Chargers career they have not won a playoff game.
Because Herbert, it's right. It's one of the main talking points.
He's been terrible in the playoffs. They haven't done anything. Well,
you look at Khalil Mack, you go, that's incredible. Now, granted,
football lots out of it. Listen, Max Crosby's a winning player.
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It's not his fault that he's played with a bunch
of scrubs. You know, a lots out of here. This
isn't basketball where you can be Lebron James even you're
playing with scrubs in the prime of your career. You're
gonna your team's gonna win fifty games. But I just
some of the money getting thrown around, and you're gonna
see this like the center. Historically, getting a guard center
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you wouldn't unless they were like an all time great player,
you wouldn't give a huge contract to because it was
easy to find those guys. You could always find a Kelsey,
he's best case scenario. But a guy like that in
the fifth round, a good guard in the sixth, a random,
you know, seven year starter in the fourth. That has
become a lot more difficult with the spread offenses in college,
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with the transfer portal, it is much more difficult to
find guards and centers who are going to translate to
the NFL, which I think has led to a lot
of guys, once they established their decent NFL players getting
overpaid in free agency. I mean, last year, the forty
nine ers let Aaron Banks, the guard from Notre Dame,
who had been you know, he had started the whole time.
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I think he was pretty marginal at best, get a
big contract from the Packers. I was like, God, that's
that's pretty bold. And I think a year in they
clearly regret that deal. So, but you got to be aggressive,
and that's part of free agencies. You typically have to
pay a tax, right, a premium to acquire a player
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in free agency. This is back to the Crosby thing. Well,
why do you have to do that because typically you
have multiple teams bidding on a guy services Right, if
I said, hey, is the tenth pick in the draft,
and whoever has the tenth pick, the eleventh pick, and
the twelfth pick all have access to that tenth pick,
and whoever wants an individual player can get the tenth pick.
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They just have to give up other ones of their
picks in the draft. Well, teams would get aggressive and
be like, hey, we'll give we really want this guy ten.
We'll willing to give up our fourth round pick to
make sure we get him at ten if we have
to bid against these other two teams because we all
get this slot. But when you just have to pick
and you don't have to bid against anybody, you can
just pick wherever you want. It's no different when you're
(41:13):
negotiating with the guy and extending him early on your team. Well,
some guys have the balls and the nutsack and the
agent to kind of convince him like, hold out for
a couple more years, we can get you the biggest
contract in the history league or the team throws Hey listen, yeah,
that could go that way, or in the middle of
(41:35):
the season you could shatter a limb. Never be the same,
never play in the NFL again. I'm currently offering you
seventy eight million dollars guaranteed and total value of a
contract worth one hundred and thirty million dollars. And if
things go well, more likely you will see every penny
of this contract, or we'll negotiate in a couple of
years and extend the thing again. So listen, I know
(41:59):
you're a third on pick. I know you've banked two
and a half million dollars in your career. We're offering
you close to eighty million dollars the moment you put
pen to paper. So if you if you got this,
if you got the stones to hold out a couple
of years to maybe make that number be one hundred
and five, you got balls, kid. But if you want
to do business, We're willing to do business right now
(42:20):
and make you the richest man in the history of
your family and a guy that you know set yourself
up and your kids up for life, which I always
push back against now having a child. You know, it's
not like my dad left me a big pot of gold.
But if he did, like let's just say my dad
had left been some super rich guy, it just left
(42:40):
me fifty million dollars when he died. Would I be
doing this right now? Would I be working on a
Sunday afternoon, well my eight week goals? Inside my my
wife's just hanging out, like eating some snacks, watched TV.
Or would I be in there with them? So I
never quite understand of like this generational wealth to give
my you're just gonna give your kids a bunch of
(43:01):
free money. It's always it's like a little pet peeve
of mine because everyone celebrates it on social media, like
isn't part of it? But then they also like crushing nepotism.
Don't we want to teach our family members, our our children,
like the proper way to you know, be ambitious, to
go your own path. You just give people free money? Fuck,
(43:21):
why are you doing anything? I've never quite understood that.
But when you're making this much money, it's like you
can spend it all in a lifetime, so you're gonna
give a bunch of your kids, and if you have
pretty good financial advisors and the market keeps ripping over
the course of the next twenty thirty years, you're gonna make
that decent amount of money, which is a lot of money,
into a lot more money, but fascinating times. It's one
(43:44):
thing that this has always stood out to me because
the media, who in this weird way like hates business
right like politically, like they're on the side very anti business,
anti big money people. Yet anytime that an athlete makes
like some huge deals, like generational wealth for this guy
and his family, So you're just telling me, like his
great grandkids aren't gonna have to do dick, Like there's
(44:06):
what are they gonna contribute to society just sitting at
home cashing their dividends? You know? Like is that is
that good? Uh? That's just random rant, but it's something
that is really kind of I've noticed this for a
long time. It's always stuck out to me, and I've
always wondered, Uh, listen, I I wouldn't have turned down
if my dad would have been like, you know before
(44:27):
before I passed you. I just want to let you know,
got seventy five million dollars, uh with with Billy at
Wells Fargo. So just you go to you go tomorrow
and it's all yours. I would have been like, damn, thanks,
but I'll promise this. That probably wouldn't have done much since, right,
I wouldn't some of these guys that have made just
(44:47):
I mean, especially in basketball or baseball, like what are
they gonna do with it all? What are their children
gonna do? Listen, I've seen Tom talk about this. You know,
Tom clearly grew up like his dad was a successful businessman,
but I don't. I think he was multi millionaire as
a kid. It's like, you know, it's a challenge raising
my children, try to teach them to kind of be
normal humans in society when they just all they know
(45:10):
is like they don't know what Southwest or American Airlines is.
That they won't know what that is. Think about that
you just don't know what American Airlines is. It'll humble you.
Right when I was flying back from the combine and
I missed my flight and had to like change the
next flight, and they threw me on the back of
(45:32):
the bird. I'm in the middle, middle seat with two
smelly kind of one guy's kind of fat. I'm like,
oh my god, I'm hungover, i haven't slept. But sometimes
you gotta just put a little shock to the system,
like John, just don't get fat and happy. Here, buddy,
this is this is it baby, NFL free agency, it's here.
(45:55):
Let's go the volume.
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