3 & Out - Mike Tomlin OUT in Pittsburgh, Guy Haberman joins the show - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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What is going On Everybody? John Middlecoff three Now podcast,
How Are We Doing Today? We I recorded with a
good friend of mine. He officiated my wedding. I was
the best man in his wedding. He has been the
voice of the forty nine ers this year, filling in
for both our good friends Greg Papa, who's been battling leukemia.

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He's called Warrior Games, A's games. He does Big ten Networks,
so he's done Signetti Games's. He works with Yogi Roth.
He's on the two team for the Big ten Network.
He's done Fox stuff. He's a stud play by play guy.
We used to have a radio show together. He's the
guy that got me into the kind of this business
and world. Then we had a podcast together after you know,

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I essentially got us in a little trouble in the
radio world. But Guy Haberman will join us. And I
was playing out just doing that because we talked for
like an hour. But while we were talking, he maybe
right before the news broke about Mike Tomlin, who has
officially resigned, said it'll you know, I'm stepping away, so
we'll discuss the Mike Tomlin situation, which I think we

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all saw as inevitable. Still it actually happened, which you know,
you can't ever bet on till it actually did, and
it finally did. So some thoughts there, and that'll be
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checked that out, and we'll just keep rocking and rolling.
So let's just let's talk Mike Tomlin. I do want
to start with Mike Tomlin because it wasn't shocking at all, right,
whether he was fired, whether he quit, whether it just
was going to end. The writing has been on the
wall for years, and even Mike Tomlin could understand that

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after last night, one of his team's not remotely close. Two.
They're very old. They have no answer at the most
important position. They're not bad enough to draft high enough.
They have a bunch of older players that make a
ton of money. You know, when the house is on fire,
you got to run out. And I think Mike Tomlin
just went sprinting outside. He was a prideful guy. He

(03:27):
probably overstayed. Is welcome in the sense that I don't
know if we'll ever see a coach go essentially twenty
years ever again. Like look at Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan.
They both Shawn started when he was thirty and Kyle
started I think when he was thirty nine or forty,
and maybe he was a little younger thirty seven. Do
you think either one of those guys are going to

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be coaching nineteen years for the Rams in the forty
nine ers, because you know what, I would bet against
it when you factor in burnout and wealth. Right, Mike
Tomlin's been making big money for a while, but early
on in his career, I would say it was probably
a little easier of the NFL world. It's changed dramatically
with social media. It's changed dramatically. Once Ben Roethlisberger retired

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and this didn't like directly impact him. It's not like
he worked with this guy, right, and they weren't like
business partners in the sense they all both worked for
the NFL. They're just rivals. You have to think that
the Harbaugh thing when he was let go last week,
like it just felt over for everyone involved. We all

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know people that got divorced. It's like, yeah, their relationship
was probably over two years ago. It happens all the time,
And I would argue the best thing that's ever happened
to me is failing in the NFL. Like you know,
Chip Kelly comes in, I get let go. And when
my radio show was canceled both times it excelled my

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career forward, partly because you look back and you go.
Yet it was off for a while before that happened.
And when you're Mike Tomlin, you're coaching the Pittsburgh Steelers,
I completely understand the pride you take in holding that job,
which is historic in this country, being the head coach
for that franchise. But he couldn't stand there on the

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sideline after watching decades of football at the highest level
and Gil, I still want to do this shit? And
he answered it today, I don't. I'm out now. To me,
the most logical place people have been reporting for a
while that television. Obviously television networks are going to be interested. Florio,

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I think like within the last month said that Tomlin
started contemplating this. I think the thing that makes the
most sense is Amazon. Like Tomlin to me, gets wasted
in a studio show with fifteen other people around a desk.
To me, I want Mike Tomlin in a booth calling
a game. Now does he want to travel city to

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city and do that. Well, what if Amazon gives him
the jet so his travel actually isn't that bad. And
if he wants to, I'm sure he's got a second home,
you know, in Florida Miami, which who knows. I'm sure
they're contacting him that if he truly is going to
take a year off, I think Amazon makes a lot
of sense. Herbstreet's done a respectable job, given that they

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wanted McVeigh, they wanted John Lynch. Those guys wouldn't leave.
Now you can get an NFL guy in there for
this last year of AL and who knows, maybe Tomlin
loves it. You know, Bill Cower went to TV, never left.
John Madden went to TV, never left. John Gruden went
into TV and was there for a decade. Sometimes you
go on to TV, it's like, wait, you're gonna pay
me the same amount I made for working ninety hours

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a week. I can't lose a game and everyone likes
me unless I'm Romo. Then people turn on you. But
like more than likely, Mike Tomlin would get rave reviews,
The critics would be pretty silent. It would be a
lot of positive reinforcement, kind of like this life fifty
three couple of years, take a deep breath, you know,

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and who knows, maybe over the course of the next
couple of weeks some of these teams, Atlanta, Miami get
pretty aggressive with him. It's been well reported he's still
under contract. This is kind of a Sean Payton and
if he did what Sean Payton did, like if it's
if it's actually taken at face value everything they're saying,
we believe it's one hundred percent the right move. Sean

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Payton said, this team sucks. I want out. I don't
want to quit coaching, but I got to get out
of here. And then they made it complicated when he
went to Denver. I don't think Mike Tomlin like I
don't think they're getting a first round pick for him,
but I think the Steelers, you know, he doesn't want
to be there, would gladly take a couple threes or whatever,
and I think teams would trade for him. I would

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imagine we'll see, you know, Miami as a new general manager.
I guess Atlanta has neither. I guess they got Matt Ryan,
who's gonna hire both guys. I would imagine these teams
desperately want to talk to him. And this gets back
to John Morrow's brother going to John Harbu's house. If
John Harborough makes sense, Mike Tomlin makes sense. I've been
saying forever Mike Tomlin to the New York Giants. Now

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that was before John Harbaugh just got shit canned on
the drive home on a Tuesday afternoon. But I think
we'd all agree, like Mike Tomlin, relative to what they
had would be an all time upgrade. I mean, look
at the coaching stretch that they have had for a
decade plus. Obviously, the Miami Dolphins, there is some toughness,
some leadership that they are desperately seeking. They should be

(08:29):
all over it for him, Now, does he believe that
that's a place that is conducive toward competing and winning.
I don't know. They obviously have some financial issues with
their not because their owner's not rich, but because of
the TUA contract and the team's not that good. You know,
Atlanta is pretty interesting, But the quarterback situation is a

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little iffy. Like if you're not a huge believer in Pennix,
he does have a currently has a torn acl Cousins
is under contract. Are you gonna bring him back at whatever,
thirty five forty million dollars. So we've just seen Tomlin.
If any human being goes wherever I go next, there
has to be some sort of stability at quarterback. It
would be Mike Tomlin after what he just experienced for

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the last several years, where I can see John Harbob
being a little more open minded, like he pivoted through
the situation they drafted Lamar at the end of the
first round. Or if you're Tomlin, you can't take a
job which is essentially like the job you just left,
which many would consider over the history of the sports
it's one of the great jobs of all time. What's
the stat They've had three coaches since like the sixties. Now,

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granted one of the guys was there forever, but they've
had two coaches since the mid nineties. So the one
thing with the Ravens and with the Steelers is the
support you get with ownership. But part of that support,
like even if we nitpicked Mike Tomlin, and obviously Steeler
fans and NFL fans have he never lost I mean
he lost games, but he never had Yeah, you know,

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Tomlin had that one four and you know thirteen season
like that did not exist. So when you never do that,
you gain a little bit more bulletproof. You know, it's
like wearing a bulletproof vest. In terms of being a coach,
it's harder for them to come at you. And because
the moment you start losing, they get rid of everybody, right,
John Harbaugh miss the playoffs nunder five hundred to see ye,

(10:15):
Andy Reid, you know, one awful year gone. But when
you said every years, it's harder for them to do it,
even as you get farther and farther removed from the
super Bowl. So I personally hope Tomlin does Amazon as
a consumer and as someone that watched all these Thursday
night games, does a lot of content about him around
that game. In some of those games, you know better

(10:36):
than others, So sign me up for that. But I
do think these teams, like, if you're Matt Ryan, you
want to start strong, get a guy in there that
knows what he's doing. You're Steven Ross, you've been dreaming
about a big name coach forever, makes a lot of sense.
So obviously he's gonna have suitors. What would they demand back?

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Because the Saints truly did not want to like get
Rid of Sean Payton. This one felt like, yeah, Tomlin
might have been like I'm over it, but like you
guys were over it too, so like fourth round pick
that we're a long way from that. Who knows if
he even takes interviews like John Harbaugh's kind of actively
taking interviews or at least making contact. Obviously Tomlin will,

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but maybe he truly is just cool with just moving
on and taking a year that. Who knows. Sometimes a
year turns into ten and maybe he becomes some legendary
TV guy, or maybe truly is a year and he
misses the grind. It's a long time in one place,
in the pressure, a lot of eyeballs, big time franchise,

(11:39):
pretty legendary run, right. I do people make fun of
it because part of I made fun of it because
it felt like it was never gonna lead to this
day when it just felt like kind of was time,
like a couple of years ago. It is pretty impressive
what he did, just refuse to have a shitty season,
refuse to bottom out. I mean, the forty nine ers
last year went six and eleven. A couple year ago,

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the Rams had like the top five, top five or
six pick now granted it. It went to the Alliance
right for the staff for trade. But like a lot
of great have awful years. What was the Chiefs record
this year? Six to eleven? Like, it's it's just it's inevit.
We get a couple of injuries, weird things happen. How
is everybody except that guy? And it truly is. I

(12:22):
think now that he's just in whatever a situation is, unemployed, retired,
quit actively seeking employment in the media industry, we can
kind of just that was. That was the hell of
a run that was. That was really impressive, you know,
and I think it's going to really age well. I
also think there's a power in getting away for a while, right.

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I think about this a lot in the podcasting world,
like do I do too much content? Sometimes I'm like, well,
during the football season's kind of the business I'm in,
And I try to think about that a little bit
more in the in the slower times, like sometimes just
not being all the time is not the worst thing.
It definitely works in the coaching world, where you know,
five years after Gruden got fired from Tampa, people like

(13:08):
this got the greatest thing since slice breads. Like, did
you guys watch the end of his Tampa Bay career.
It did not go and I'm pro Gruden entertains me
on the internet, but I remember thinking when he got
back with the Raiders, I'm like, they just hired this
guy's a superstar. They're like, eh, maybe, but the perception
and the buzz and the media hype. That's what all
my scouting friends always tell me. They got to be

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very careful about that February, March, and April leading up
to the draft, because you can let it all cloud you.
You hear what Middle Coop's saying, You hear what Todd
mcshay's saying. You here what Daniel Jeremiah saying, and all
of a sudden, it starts messing with your own mind.
That's the way this world works, right, And I think
with the coach like Tomlin, who is so good in

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front of a microphone and just so unique, like his experiences,
obviously the success he had, the people he's coached, the
people he's coached against, Like they think of the eras
in which he coached against. He's been in the league against,
like the Farves and the Akmans up through the Caleb Williams.

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He's coached against them all. So I think he's I
hope he does Amazon. That's what I'm rooting for him
to do Amazon. But I do think there would be
some massive massive now he's I think he was one
of the higher paid coaches in the league, like fifteen
sixty million dollars a year. I would you be shocked
at the Miami Dolphins, like here's five for one hundred.

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You know, it's easy to say, like, eh, money's not everything.
It's like you see that contract, Like I just I'll
keep coaching. I'll live his South Peach. But Amazon can
do the same thing. So fascinating to watch this play out.
I think we all saw this coming in some former fashion.
It was just inevitable, And to me, it really felt
more inevitable hardball last week. The not just the outcome

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of that game, but as the game win. It's like,
these guys are getting clowned and this is not the
Buffalo Bills, this is not the Andy reikansay chief, this
is Uston Texans. You know, I guess they've won the
division a bunch of times over the years and won
some home playoff games. They're going to Hinz Field. I
think it's called something different now in the cold and

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beating your ass and you look around you're like, we
got a lot of older guys. It's like it's time.
So glad this saga is over, you know, because it
was a topic that I personally was a little tired
of talking about because it just kind of felt like
it went in circles. And now we have like it's

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over and Mike Tomlin and the Pittsburgh Steelers can go
on with their way. And obviously one story that we
will continue to give thoughts on is like who are
they going to hire? My initial thought would be some
like they're gonna want a tough guy, Like they're not
going Mike Tomlin to Mike McDaniel, so defensive guys, tough.
Brian Flores worked there a couple of years ago. Robert
Salah kind of feels like a Pittsburgh Steeler, you know.

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Frank Signetti or Frank Signetti's brother, Kurt Signetti is born
and raised in Pittsburgh, obviously having a lot of success
in Indiana. Now, granted he's never coached, I don't think
in the pros. Longtime college guy could be wrong on that.
Maybe he's had but I'm pretty sure it was from
NC State to Bama to becoming a head coach for

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a long time, that that would be pretty risky, but hell,
the Steelers would be like, well, we hired Mike Tomlin
once upon a time. Most of you guys had never
heard of him. I think he'd been one year defensive
coordinator for Minnesota. Now granted, looking back, it's like he
was coaching the DBS with with for Gruden and Tony
Dungee with Tampa Bay. Last time I checked, two of

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the four DB's are in the Hall of Fame, So
pretty good group. I think John Lynch swears by the guy,
and it's it's just an all timer. A little shocking, honestly,
it's probably the closest thing over the last twenty five
years to McVeigh. When it happened, it was a kind
of pre definitely pre social media, but pre the Internet.

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The power of the Internet, right, you know, Reddit and
all these places didn't exist. But it would have been
the equivalent of that now would have been like who
they just hire? And clearly they got it right because
he went on to be one of the best coaches
of his generation and now they got to try to
replace it, and it's not easy to do, right, it's
they went from Coward to Tomlin. I say this forever

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about quarterbacks, like what going from Farv to Rogers to
Love that's pretty lucky a lot of time even far
to Rogers to some scrub and going what the run
they've been on? Even back to Chuck Nole is who
I don't remember coaching a game, but always ready it
was pretty good. And the Clips in the seventies obviously

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had some squads, won some super Bowls. Is good luck
with placing them. And I think one thing different that
the vibe I get from people in that world is
the Steelers aren't as good in the front office anymore.
That's a knock, and that to me is a big
difference between the Ravens and the Steelers. The Ravens front
office is still viewed as top notch in the NFL.

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The Pittsburgh Steelers is not. So who they can get
to sign up with their operation is gonna be fascinating
and something to monitor also because like kind of a
bottom out job, like if you get hired by the Ravens. Bushaty,
I guess I haven't even seen this price conference yet.
Today I saw his quote saying that that they want
to extend Lamar Jackson. Obviously he's on the books next

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year for seventy five million dollars. But if you sign
up for the Ravens as a coach, whether you're Stefanski Sala,
I was gonna say, Harpbaugh, whoever it is, right, Marcus Freeman,
you name it, you have a several year window. Like
the pressure, anything less than the playoffs next year would
be a failure. And I'd argue, if you come into

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the playoffs, they're gonna want playoff victories. Pressure is ten
out of ten, I think with it'sburg. You know a
lot of people want nuke this thing. Let's finally bottom
out for a year. Let's take a deep breath, let's
shed some of these salaries. So the Ravens Steelers, who
have always been kind of a parallel operation competing against
each other, and both have always the Ravens had a

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couple of down years over hardbast ten year, but for
the most part, they've been really good twelve of eighteen
years making the playoffs. That you want six divisions. It's
the Ravens expectation, and rightfully so is next year we're
competing for the Super Bowl. And I would imagine the
gambling odds. You know, in March April May they will
be one of the Super Bowl favorites. The Steelers will not.

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And I think the Steelers are going to for the
first time, probably in franchise history, take a long look
in the mirror and say we're gonna need a transition year,
and honestly, I think a lot of fans will be like, oh,
thank god, we needed this, because watching us go ten
and seven and getting beaten like a drum at home

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is not fun. It's actually kind of tiresome at this point,
which you go, well, and I love when I hear
people say this. Most teams in the league would die
to have that. Well, yeah, the Steelers have had that
now for forty five years, so their expectations are a
little bit different than the Raiders or the Arizona Cardinals. Right,
They're like, listen, we're cool with going to the playoffs if
we have a shot, but we know we have no shot,

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so we'd rather just have one year, go four wins
and be like drafting in the top five and like
turn our thing around. If the Chiefs have a second
run in them, it will be because of this offseason
and this draft, specifically, it will change the course of
their franchise. Well, why were they able to do it?
They won six and eleven. It sucked now. It was

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easier to do for them because they had just been
to five to six Super Bowls. Steelers haven't won a
playoff game and what's see your January seventeen to like
the twenty sixteen Season's been a while and honestly didn't
feel like it wasn't even close. I mean, they've been
blown out in their last three playoff games against high
end competition. So props to Mike Tomlin. Hell of a run,

(21:08):
all time great NFL figure and the one thing the
NFL is very lucky at before we dive into guy
here and Tomlin fits. This is the key to this
business right now. Obviously, the games are fun and gambling
and talking about what happens for the sixty minutes this
weekend throughout the season is the main business model of

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the NFL. But it's driven by the characters. And obviously
the players are characters, but the coaches now are so
famous and the coach's personalities help drive this whole thing.
You need not just main characters, but supporting actors, and
I just think you get that. Like Mike Tomlin is

(21:50):
just a unique individual in NFL history. And I said
this one Sean McVay, remember when he was gonna like
quit and go to Amazon. It's like, Sean, you're still
so young. I hope you just stay in the NFL.
We need you as a character in this whole thing
that entertains us all. So as long as Mike Tomlin
stays in the world, I'm cool with, right, Like, I

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know they love the Sean Payton at Fox. I think
we're much better having Sean Payton coach than on television.
Like I think, big picture for Mike, I hope that
he comes back, like it doesn't just turn into a
John Madden wouldn't be the worst thing. I mean, if
he turns into a John Madden, I wouldn't blame him
that. That means he's very involved in the NFL too. But

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like Rex Ryan does television for ESPN, he's kind of
irrelevant to me, right, And he was a huge character
when he was in the league. And I'm not comparing
Tomlin to Rex Thomas obviously had way more success, But
like we need big personalities, and not just with players
but with coaches. With assistant coaches, with everyone involved, and

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Mike is is just one of the better, you know,
non players and most important non players in the NFL.
So hopefully just maybe one year hiatus and then he
comes back and we get him back on in big
games and people start saying any socks or he's good
or whatever. But that's that's all part of it. Mike

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Tomlin done with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Let's dive into Guy.
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New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia, what is happening, Very very
excited to bring on a man that officiated my wedding
that I was like, God, it's been a long time,
he's been married a while. I think I was the

(25:27):
best man in his wedding. He resurrected my career when
your boy was literally on the street and brought me
in to do a radio interview in San Francisco, and
it's got my radio career going. We had a radio
show for the Bay Area for years, we had a
podcast for years. He is now currently our very close

(25:51):
friend Greg Papa, legendary voice in the Bay Area, nationally,
just a legendary guy in the play by play broadcast world.
He has been battling leukemia. So Haverman has been calling
the forty nine er games and just had some of
the most legendary calls in the history of the franchise.
I don't know. I mean, it's up to you to

(26:11):
determine that. It's subjective. I would put him up near
the top, right there with oh Ns Owns, no other
than I'd say, this is his Netflix debut. But you know,
Guy Haverman, you never know where he's been. Guy, what's up, bro?

Speaker 1 (26:25):
It's great. I mean it probably is, unless there's like,
uh yeah, I think it probably is my Netflix debut
in terms of being on watching, not my debut. I've
watched a lot of Netflix.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
But did you say anything to Howie the other day?

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I never ran into Howie. I passed Siriani in the hallway.
I saw a big Dom on the sideline with its
chain on. Never saw I was looking for Howie so
I could say something to him. I did post a
picture from outside the link that said the house to
Middlecoff Belt. I don't know if you saw that. Never
saw Jeffrey Lurie. Uh yeah, didn't. A bunch of people

(26:56):
I didn't. Never Donovan McNabb, never saw him, the awesome one,
never saw him.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
They Dom did one of those Chip Kelly moves with Domdy,
get in the car. We're taking to the airport. You're
out of here. Bo.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
I might be the last person to see Sirianni.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
I guess, yeah. What was the weather like on the
Was it obviously windy? Was it cold? Because Dom does
not even think. He just wears an undershirt in like
a jumpsuit, like he's got to be a little chilly,
doesn't he.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
You know, I just remember I used to have a
photo of you standing next to Andy Reid on the
sideline and like a big hoodie and Andy you're like
in the background. You must you were on the sideline
for that game for whatever must have been your first
year in Philly. I gotta go find that picture.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Might have been a training camp photo, now I was
a game.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
I'm pretty sure it was a game photo. Although I
don't know why you were standing next to Andy ball game.
It was nice Philly, warmest cold booth I've ever been in. Like,
you know, you open up the window when you're calling
the game, and I great temperature. It was like twenty
one degrees with a windshield. The wind was a major factor.
I don't know did it feel that way on television
that the wind was a major factor.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
I mean, Brady was talking a lot about it, and
I think when he did, have you gone back? Did
you watch TV copy after?

Speaker 1 (28:00):
I'm an All twenty two guy.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
You know Brady he's doing the It was actually one
of his probably definitely standout moments of his career. The
ball thing about how you don't want the ball to
go up. It's like a golf shot, right, you want
to keep it low. The problem. And I wanted to say, hey, Tom,
you're six foot five, six foot six. Brock is six'
one ish, so it's harder for him to throw down,
easier for you to throw those little edelman you know,

(28:26):
slant routes out routes. But you know, he went. It
was a cool moment. It was actually pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
I do like watching you see Tom as that. I
did see Tom security in front, security and back as
he walked by. Burghart came by. As you know, he's
a very cool guy.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Security two for him.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
No, he was, he was floating free. But you know,
I mean Jawan Jennings was a big time high school
quarterback prospect and he's six' three and he's the one
that threw the probably the pass of the game To christian.
McCaffrey tom always did have that down angle at the
ball coming out of his hand, hands AND i do
think that That juwan throw was with the. Wind the

(29:03):
wind kind of comes across out of the open end
of the, stadium which is the opposite end of the
stadium for where McCaffrey caught that, Ball so it was
kind of coming across and then down like that, direction
and that's right where the. Broadcast was it like right
where we're looking on, radio and when the ball Left jennings.
HANDS i swear To god for the rest of my
life there was an alternate. Universe you know when you

(29:25):
watch a game or a movie back that you know
what's going to, happen and you're still like kind of
scared when The freddy comes around the corner or. Whatever,
yeah there's still like a part of me that sees
the ball going Over christian's head and him not catching.
IT i thought time stood. STILL i swear to, you
time stood. STILL i could See, CHRISTIAN i could see
the ball halfway in the, air and there was no
way McAffrey was going to catch that, ball and somehow he.

(29:45):
Did it's one of, truly it almost brings me to.
Tears what an incredible physical ACCOMPLISHMENT i. Witnessed it's one
of the greatest Things i've ever.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Seen, well how often do you? Watch definitely a lot On,
saturdays but even a ton On. Sundays is a guy
can't quite track the. Ball and to track the ball
that clearly he thinks come into one, way he has
to turn the other. Way it's, OBVIOUSLY i, mean he's
overthrown he's a wide. RECEIVER i, mean it's it's it's

(30:13):
a play to be. Made maybe he would have to,
leap but not having to, leap keeping his feet and
really will amazing that, thing which is kind of somewhat
ironic because that game he made incredible, catches, RIGHT i,
mean obviously the game, winner but didn't was was it
two Weeks it wouldn't have been In seattle when he
high Pointed he high pointed a ball in that game

(30:35):
BECAUSE i thought it was kindle at. First, Yeah so you're,
like he's making and he just had probably one of
the worst moments of his career where even he, said
like the games on, me even though he didn't lose the.
Game but when Does christian ever drop a?

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Ball so that ball in The Super bowl that feels
like one of his worst moments was the week Eighteen seattle.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Drop so you, thought when the ball's in the, air
no chance he's.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Catching the win was at the. Back it was going.
Over it was one thousand percent going over his. Head
and then even as it came, DOWN i was, like his,
arms there's no way he's gonna get it turning over his.
Body i'm telling, you, Bro LIKE i am tearing, up
not because The niners. Won it was so are You you,
know like when you hear people tell their, stories LIKE

(31:19):
i Saw Mickey mantle and he had a ball off
the facade And Yankee. Stadium it was seven hundred and
seventeen feet like Whatever i'm telling. You nobody That Jerry, rice,
LIKE i don't think ninety nine percent of receivers catch that.
Ball and the crazy part Is Juwan jennings threw a.
Pass it was better THAN i bet if you Went

(31:40):
nasbrock party in Mac, jones could they have made that.
Pass of course they would say. Yes BUT i think
if you have a quarterback throw that ball ten, times
like it maybe gets completed. Two it was just.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
You, know watching back the. Highlights Camb, our big local
station in Northern, california really goes through All. California it's
kind of LIKE, wfn.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
And you can probably hear it In. Arizona.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Scott'stay, YEAH i probably could find spots for. Sure you
thought after you made the call and you look down
you saw the flag that it fucked up your. Call,
huh that's what a broadcaster.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Thinks WHAT i do IS i finish the call justin
because what you don't want to do is be, like,
oh it's a, flag and then you don't finish the.
Call SO i tried to finish the, call and THEN
i had to acknowledge the, flag but it. Did it's
different on the road to the crowd's not that crowd
is All philadelphia crowd is you, know they don't do
any like in STADIUM pa all right, guy or like

(32:33):
you know Here i'm over here in section two, seventeen
we're giving Away chicky And pete gift certificates to the
first fan that can name the Last eagle.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
To they just.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Play rock music and rap music and do crowd shots
every commercial, break and the place goes absolutely.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Bananas it is how Many niner games you do this
year on the?

Speaker 1 (32:51):
ROAD i think that was on the.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
ROAD i don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
TEN i Think i'm not nine and one summer summer sot.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
De best uh it. Is you, know people always said
that their fans or, assholes like were they saying goodbye
To kittle when he was getting card off?

Speaker 1 (33:07):
That you, KNOW i think there's sixty seven thousand people
in that, stadium So i'm sure of course there was
somebody by the. TUNNEL i don't, know it did not
feel like the crowd was Cheering George kittle's, injury you
know WHAT i, Mean, Like i'm sure that there's Eight
you can literally find every opinion you want to find
if you go poll sixty seven thousand. People so not
to excuse, It i'm sure it, happened but the crowd

(33:29):
to me actually seemed kind of sympathetic to the.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Moment, yeah to, me, obviously it's a polarizing fan, base
But i've always, said Like i've only worked for ONE nfl,
team there's corny apartment for the chiefs line of delineation
of like the franchises that really. Matter And i'm not
just talking like television. Ratings i'm talking when you work,
there it, matters, Right and we've been. Lucky we were you,

(33:54):
know you AND i for those they don't, know went
to high school. Together WHEN i became At Fresnel, state
you had gone To Fresnel state and you were doing radio.
Then so we moved in together with our BUDDY aj
who ended up who played basketball President state and then
he went to work At Sack. State so you AND
i lived together with him for a, year and then
he bounced after a, year so, like you, know the

(34:17):
forty we just got to you just kind of fan
where you grow up most of the, times like just
happened to get Like Barry bonds And Steve young when
we were. Kids like that's pretty. Lucky BUT i remember
going To. Philly it's like this really matters and it's
a great sports. Town but like The, eagles AND i
think Clearly chicago's a lot like this, Too like obviously
The bulls With Michael jordan are The. Cubs there's nothing
like The, bears and you feel it. Now it's like

(34:38):
The bears and The. Eagles it's like an sec environment.
There and that's why it's like how long is the
time before you can? Boo, well it's like when your
offense looks like that the guy just paid three hundred
dollars to sit in the fourth row, level like he's
allowed to boo watching a team that can't complete a.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Pass that was what they booed by might count four
times during the, game and within thirty seconds the rock
music started and they just started going. Crazy, yeah but.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
It was like it's it's a it's it's for a
team coming off a Super bowl with basically the majority
of the. Nucleus it's all the same, cats, Right it's
like it's all it's it's the. Group so it's it's
the same. Guys if it was the equivalent with the
forty nine. Ers these guys want to love the, team
but it's it is. Hard you you taught me WHEN
i got into. Radio if a baseball team is not,

(35:26):
hitting it looks like they're not. Trying so just like
these guys don't Get, yeah they. Don't they just, uh
twenty six outs were.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Like Josh reddick was jogging the First.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
So in, football when you start going three and out a,
lot AND i don't know what they ended, this you'd
probably have. This they led the league for a large.
Party they let it.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Le the league three out three, outs that's.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Matter, YEAH i bet. It historically top five drafting team
usually in that. CATEGORY i bet if we looked over
the course of like twenty, years probably not like a
Defending Super bowl champion divisionally.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Not two one thousand yard receivers and the reigning offensive
player of the.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Year did you feel like it was really angry in,
there like as the game went, on like or it
was it just more?

Speaker 1 (36:11):
INTENSE i thought it was more. Disbelief, uh when we
when we rolled in on the bus shop with the.
Team when we rolled in on the, bus a lot
of middle, fingers but like honestly kind of endearing a
lot of, people you, know people like lyeing the. Bird
but it was kind of like they just knew they
had a standard to, uphold which is to flip you
off on the.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Team there's No Cynthia jones is in the media, there you,
KNOW i think that's her. Name you, know do you
see that clip of her talking To Liam. Cohen, OH
i didn't know.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
WHO i didn't know the, name but.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah she like you, know most people have seen. It
that's that's the environment.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
There people should hire her to go to A syrianni press.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Conference how he would Fire he wouldn't want that type.
Atmosphere you're, right.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
That's what's great About that's what's. Great like somebody told
me A Larry brown though basketball coach quotes, like you,
know some people are just happier when they're, mad which you,
KNOW i think we could all identify with a little. Bit,
yeah so, like, yeah they're gonna yell at, you but
they're gonna equal opportunity to yell at their own. Team
SO i think it's pretty, stunning not that they, lost
but that the defending. Champs you, know they were five

(37:12):
and zero at Home john in the. Playoffs they'd won
by twenty one points those five games With Jalen hurts
And Nick. Sirianni the only time they trailed at home
in the playoffs was three was a three point deficit
To washington last. Year then they scored fifty five on,
them killed them like they have been killing people. Like
that's part of the story IS i was saying to
you on the phone the other, day how many guys
on The niners defense would have started for The eagles?

(37:33):
Defense maybe?

Speaker 2 (37:34):
One none of THE d linemen right this?

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Version, yep none of THE d.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Lineman obviously their linebackers are. Good lenore would be their second.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Corner would one of the other nine years safeties start
in place Of Marcus EPP's.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Well Stet stout is a fantastic, rookie But cooper's the
best slot corner in the league, Exactly so it's like
he's not beating him. Out, YEAH i don't, KNOW i
mean not. Many their defense is legitimately, good, RIGHT i,
mean you remember in.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
The league since they traded for jail In phillips week
ten ten points a.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Game do you think like for The Bears packer, game
were you watching that team, Hotel kyle.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Uh Bears packer? Game, no that WAS i was team,
room team meal. ROOM i was watching The carolina, game
but then back in the room for The bears.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Game so that's probably obviously devastating loss for The, packers
but that was a More it was like a religious
experience In. Chicago that was really. COOL i thought it
was a better win than a bad. Loss Especially Micah
parsons on. Crutches it's like if they played that game ten,
times it might not look like, that but, like The
bears are gonna win a bunch of, games it's not that.
Crazy this game it felt, LIKE i feel like that's

(38:46):
one of the worst Losses i've ever seen when you
factor IN i Mean kyle after the game that picture
do you see the viral picture of like him Hugging
george and the eyes Of Brandon graham behind him have
this look of like why DID i pick? Up how
he's going? Comeback this could be me on That LIKE
i GOT i made My Super, bowls made my. Money
what AM i doing the eyes In Brandon graham seeing

(39:07):
like a fellow fallen warrior of like what AM i
doing this? For this is? Crazy that to me is
powerful As kyle's face Was Brandon graham's eyes in the
background were, like damn this Is that's one of the
better photos that's not positive and like sports. HISTORY i, think,
yeah those three, Men kittle's, Face kyle And Brandon. Graham

(39:27):
Brandon graham's like one of the Great eagles of all
time and you just his face kind of told it. All,
Honestly it's like symbolizes The eagles almost like what are
we doing? Here can we just go? Home BUT i.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Didn't get that five for The? Eagles can we just
go home after the?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Game? YEAH i just think That and maybe part of
it why it feels as crazy is the way The
niners has just looked Against. Seattle WHO i don't, KNOW
i feel like The eagles have better players In. Seattle
you did, Both you've been around them. Both does it
feel that way or is?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
THAT i mean ON i would say it's, hard like it's.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Better got, better you, know more dynamic coach because he
calls the. Defense But dick's great defensive.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Coach Against shannian like he doesn't do points to The shannyan,
guys but LIKE i Think vic is a known entity
To kyle. Right Like, kyle even Though vick has kind
of kicked his butt, previously he knows how to he
knows what's. COMING i Think mike McDonald is kind of
a New he's brought a new. Flavor that, SAID i
did think looking At seattle's guys on the field week,

(40:25):
eighteen Nick, Eman worri their defensive. Line they're not quite
legion Of boom Like sherman all those guys walking Around Cam,
chancellor but they did feel pretty physically like it felt, Like,
okay this Is jimmy's And, joe's like that's what that
game felt. Like and then they were also schematically really
excellent on. Defense The, niners they were just never where

(40:47):
they were supposed to be, defensively and it screwed things
up week. Eighteen so it'll make the rematch really. Interesting
BUT i felt the same, way LIKE i remember you
AND i used to go to Like raider games all
the time and we just stand on the field When
Carson palmer would come out Or Peyton. Manning these guys are.
Humongous Ben roethlisberger And eli were, huge just blue, chippers
and to, me Like seattle on defense and The eagles
on defense are just stacked with blue.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Chippers like If Leonard williams walks by you Or Jalen,
carter do you notice that big of a.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Difference Leonard williams ran by me WHEN i was standing
on the field before the, game AND i THOUGHT i
was gonna fall. Over he's because he's so what do
you what do you scout say that he's, High he's
just like he's built like a six to three. Guy
but then just he's so, proportional right and then he
stretched out and. So BUT i, mean it's THE, nfl
it's a national, football Like, john that's the way these guys.

(41:35):
Look and then you look at The niners and they
got some guys starting in linebacker has and started in
sixty two weeks of. Football it's.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Crazy, yes it's the craziest. THING i, mean you've been
TO nba, finals Major League baseball, playoff you've been to it.
All they're the craziest thing you've ever. Witnessed given like
even the forty nine, ers they truly believe going to
that guy and Then KITTLE I.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
I would guarantee you not the. Team but if we
just pulled the organization pre, game like all, right who
thinks we can win this? GAME i bet there'd be
a lot of, like, well you, know we had a good.
Run we had a good. Run at least we've made
a playoff.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Game they made it weird long enough that all of a,
sudden the other teams started thinking about.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
IT i think when you don't you think this, Too
like there are just some teams that are, weird Like
seattle's not, Weird philly's, weird and when you play a weird,
team just like all the dynamics like Aj brown And
nixiana yelling at each other on the, sideline like why
is this team the? Fan like if you last WEEK
i went to A syriana YouTube and just like AM

(42:33):
i allowed to say YouTube and and press conference and
like all the comments were just like fire this, Haterscope
eagles fans. Periscope SO i just think when YOU i
thought it was a big intangible, game, right like the
margins are so thin if you're button, down if you're.
Disciplined niners only committed one, Penalty eagles committed like. SEVEN

(42:53):
i think almost and still they could have won the.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Game clear there's something AND i Think seattle's going to
have a lot of this with The, Niners like even
though they're missing, guys there is still An and you've
Done indiana, games you, Know big ten, network no big
deal With. Signetty there's. Something there's something about like people
really and this probably works in any line of, work
like when you really like the people you work, with

(43:17):
and in a business that is like physically texting and
you're you have to like lay it on the line
with fatigue and mental toughness and all these things come into.
Play LIKE i think of how he had to do
over he would have TRADED Aj, brown like keeping that.
Around it's hard to do because it's like he made
plays early in the. Game you're, like how are they

(43:38):
gonna cover? Him it's Like, leonora are you talking to
the game like this is a this is a this
is an elite. Player but then like you have a
drop and then it just you, KNOW dk is kind
of like that. Too NOW i Think AJ's better THAN,
dk but they're just you, know like McCaffrey's really really.
Dependable it's like the coach k thing on that doc
when late and you're. Missed he's like he might make or,
miss but he ain't gonna be. Afraid and it's like

(43:58):
used check and The, eagle like the. Talent their defense
to me was it wasn't their issue, right but, offensively
it's like they're all looking in the. Huddle do they
really like each? Other Brandon graham last, year remember when
he was like doing the chicken and pizza. Thing he's, like,
yeah The jalen and Uh aj just can't stand each.
Other and then they like immediately like an hour, later he's,
LIKE i take that. BACK i didn't mean it like.

(44:20):
That it's like he you know what's cool about brandonck
you get old, enough you like not even thinking you're
like your corporate coach player speaks is. Off he's, like,
yeah they just hate each other, now AND i don't
think You and in fairness Of, jalen you're, like you
hate on. Me you've made a pretty public you did
a commercial that feels like it's just directly at, me
and then you're dropping balls like it's. HILARIOUS i, MEAN

(44:43):
i can't Sometimes i'm LIKE i can't believe he did.
THIS i, know but you, Know, aj and LISTEN i
don't blame, him but it also you get in that
moment like that it really, matters and you can see
like this team doesn't really like each. Other and the thing,
is what was anywhere? Thirteenth is there a bigger lock
than aj being traded to like The patriots on the

(45:04):
first day of free agency or maybe even. Before it's,
broken like he's not even gonna be on the. Team
so you go down swinging with this guy's not gonna
be on a team and not not gonna be on
the team because, like, yeah we just needed to save
some cap. Space like a lot of, teams it's, like
we gotta get this guy out of. Here we gotta
we gotta try to save this operation right and The
niners don't have any of that right.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Now well BECAUSE I uke's not.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Around, true but he just drove off and he's going
so fast no one ever seen him.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
AGAIN i, really it's not like they've been without drama
the last several. Years in, debo it's BUT i think
the REASON i.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Always but the debo for his limitations was a guy
that you go to war with and get his best.
Effort now it might, not you, know as he got,
older he wasn't as, good but you felt going to
war With Deebo, samuel like he was gonna go down
with the ship with.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
YOU i, think go back to Your signetti, point LIKE
i love Watching signetti talk And i'd be, interested like
would he take The steelers? Job, Uh he's about to
get his like third extension in six, months probably In.
Indiana but when you watch him, talk like if you
go watch his introductory press conference or any interview he,
does he rattles off every core value like it is

(46:08):
imprinted on his.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Brain.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Right every plays a has a mind Of every play
is a story of its own nine seconds to. Greatness
you just like The and even when The niners are
like a six win team or, whatever Or kyle doesn't
end the half with the, ball OR i should have
used the time out, THERE i wish he were more.
AGGRESSIVE i think the most powerful thing is players think

(46:31):
that he can make them reach their full. Potential like
they all believe in. Him players believe in the head coach.
Period AND i think that is the fundamental reason WHY
i had somebody tell me once like you, know it'll
never come to, this but if anybody could call offense and,
defense it would Be Kyle. SHANAHAN i, think, Well Ryan,

(46:51):
walters you remember. Him he Was washington's defensive coordinator this,
year he was produced head. Coach. Member he was a
defensive Coordinator illinois For. Beelma then he Becomes reduce head
coach and he took over offensive play calling like two years.
Ago but he'd been LIKE i remember that, story, yeah In,
Colorado but, LIKE i just think that IS i think
it has to start there with. That and so you, Know,

(47:13):
siriani they've taken play.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Calling not That i'm.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
The sirianni, expert but he was THE oc and then
he's not THE, oc and then it's the play. Caller,
again he's not the play.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
CALLER i DON'T i don't think he's called places a
yanked away the. SITE i don't think he's touched a play.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
CALL i just think there's a fundamental. Thing AND i
think this Is signetti is Like signetti is not gonna
pop into every room and like put his arm around
every guy and like check on. You AND i don't
know if you saw one of his players said, LIKE
i don't think he's ever been, happy and he's, like,
Yeah i've been. HAPPY i just don't show them That i'm, happy, Right,
YEAH i just think he. Is so he just makes

(47:47):
everybody so much. BETTER i think it's the fundamental. Reason to,
me that's the number one thing you need to find
the head. Coach it's like you. Do the players believe
he can make them. Better AND i think it's why
the forty nine ers play with a, purpose they play
with an intensity because they believe what they're told is gonna.
Work doesn't always, work back to your laterer, point but
they believe it's gonna work if they do it the right.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Way is it fair to say the Guy Tim ryan
who back in WHEN i WAS i remember WHEN i
got SERIOUS xm in The Honda cord AND i was

(48:26):
driving around the country to. Scout he had a radio
show With Pat, Herwin moving The moving The, chains which was.
Elite tim is an Underrated when he was doing national,
stuff how good and entertaining was he was an excellent
like it was just it was an awesome. Show you.
KNOW i think he does it now With Bruce. Miller
it ain't the. Same, nothing no shot At. BRUCE i
just think that highly A tim as an. Entertainer but

(48:48):
he's he's really tight With Bob sola right like, There,
yeah if you spent a lot of time Around, robert.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
A little time in the meal room when when you
Know tim's, like, hey come sit down and.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Talk To Bob carbs. Proteins what's His oh.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
He's Very he's like telling he was telling somebody one time,
like oh you can't drink that because of, this this and.
That Uh so he's, dialed very, disciplined very, friendly extremely friendly.
Guy like see him in the, hallway seem at the,
elevator you know WHAT i, Mean, like have you you've
talked to him right briefly?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
ONCE i, Mean i've never heard a bad word about.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
HIM i show like the heat to me is clearly
AN nfl head. Coach there's just a challenge of you,
know there's some good defensive coaches right, now AND i
do think it's challenging to higher a defensive. Guy But Tim,
ryan did you happen to? CATCH i sent you the
clip for people you can go On INSTAGRAM knbr That
john mentioned. Earlier there's a clip self. Promotion it's not

(49:40):
about me going around of one of my calls because
they put like a GoPro in the, booth WHICH i don't,
like but people like.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
It what's the double?

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Pass right before the, Play tim breaks a what you call,
it like a smell like here's the smelling salt like like,
that and then the play. Happens so he's like an
og football and you're right like he's. Been he was
On fox for many. Years d line at SC's, huge long.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Hair he's a big as, dude great hair. ELITE i
mean you got you got high end. Hair his hair
IS i would, say the cream of the, crop like
it doesn' get any. Better the flow that is always.
Wet it is a product. Us, no it's.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
NOT i thought it, was but it's. Not so he's A.
Bear i'd love it'd be sweet to go play the
go play The bears for THE Nfc championship. Game that to,
me there is no you were there when they had
this In. Philly we were around it with The San
Francisco giants here especially LIKE i guess you were here
in twenty. TWELVE i. WASN'T i wasn't living here in twenty.
Ten but from afar like when you The phillies had,

(50:40):
it when you win for the first, time or like
when you're really in it for the first, time they're
just it's not the same the next like three. Times
and that's what it feels Like chicago. Has right.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Now guy AND i were at a A giants playoff,
game it probably would have been. Fourteen my guess would.
Be so this is Like Cluster Posey Hunter pence and
they're playing The nationals And Bryce, HARPER i think in
this game hit one of the longest home runs Like
Barry Bond Beside Barry bond's ever. Hit the ball still,
flying it's like out in the middle of the. Ocean

(51:12):
but we didn't like there was no place to sit
the press, box would you, say with The, giants isn't that,
Big like we'll have to do a football press cof.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
And we're not press box.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Guys, Yeah, no we're out there rubbing the elbows with the.
People so we're just like standing room only kind of
behind some. Seats all of a, sudden it's like the
six or seventh, inning might have been the seventh inning
stretch AND i don't. Know it happened to be the
lead singer Of, Journey Steve. Perry Steve perry's right in
front of, us and they just start Playing Don't Stop,
believing and he has a microphone and we are. STAYING i,

(51:41):
mean it's it's one of those like pre again the,
Phone why is there a camera right?

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Here like who is it?

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Shooting? YEAH i think it was. Right over the next
couple of, years as phones and videos were really taking,
off it was pretty when you just lived and you just.
Experienced you just got to tell people's, story and you
can even fake the story because other bandmates were there
and they busted out, guitars so you can say whatever
you want because no one has a video of. It
and he just started Singing Don't Stop, believing and all
sixty or fifty thousand. People it's it's one of those

(52:07):
things you Just i'll never forget that moment till the
DAY i. Die and they came back and. Won i'm
pretty sure they did.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
That that game they were, down, LIKE i don't, know
eleven to, four so you know they were down in that.
Game you remember who else we saw that? Day you
tried to, say you, said what's up to? Him and
he just was up and kept. Going do you Remember
jack Del?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Rio? Oh, yeah but he wasn't coaching The raiders, yet,
right or was?

Speaker 1 (52:26):
HE i think he. HAD i think he was about
to because we were like, well that's.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Weird was he doing?

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Here it was like out on the McCovey coat the
landing is where we saw.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Him upbout right. Field maybe he had just been. HIRED
i don't, know it would have been the. Winter maybe
he was kind of sniffing.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
AROUND i don't think he'd been hired. Yet, yeah, no he.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Hadn't maybe he was out of football and he just
he Knew. Mark he Knew mark was gonna be looking
for a. Coach, yeah THEY i mean they didn't have
a coach right because they had fired what's his name
And Rip Tony soprano was the interim coach that that
year because he took Del rio takes over the next,
year probably in Like, january so he's he's probably working
the phone to Get. Mark is this, Yes jack del

(53:04):
real story one person that was on the staff for a,
while so like a legendary story that he like told
his agent right before he was about to go into
the in person interview With mark and whoever, else was,
Like i'm gonna crush this interview and this is gonna
be my job by the end of the. Day AND
i think it was you, know at the, time they
Had Slim pickens, Right raiders were down and, out but

(53:26):
then a. DRAFT i think They mac And Derek carr
were drafted like a couple months later and it changed. Forever,
actually they would have been already on the.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Team he coached The Paris musketeers of The my our,
Guy Yogi roth is like a minority owner in the.
Team this last year is that.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
One of THE ufl OR afl.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Team now it's like it's A European Football. League Quick
raider middlecough, Story. Uh Dennis allen as the coach of
The raiders and we're working at The raiders flagship one
of the great honors of our, lives The raiders flagship
radio station Where john Hosted raider postgame for no extra
money and love the, game, bro love the, game and we.

(54:04):
Go Dennis allen is giving. Us we're in The raider
meeting room and there's all what do the signs? Say
like just win?

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Baby there was like a.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Anyway we're sitting, there everyone's. Quiet Dennis allen's taking ten
minutes out of his day the head coach of The,
raiders and he's up there on the stage and there's
a phone starts, ringing like what is gon coughs like
scrambling and, like oh It's. John doesn't silence. It phone rings,
Again Dennis allen. Stops it's like looking Mid coff pulls
the phone. Out of course it's your mom, Calling, like, oh,

(54:33):
sorry it's my. Mom turn it off, again and h.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Not as embarrassing as his. Tenure it. Was it was
a low level look for. Me. Yeah, also there is
A raider story that for many people don't know. This
WHEN i Did raider, postgame they weren't any. Good so
you're reacting to these games and they are just getting.
Salacked so's it's hard to be, like you know the,

(54:59):
Right zach's really got some uh positive improvement you're. Seeing
it's just it's very. Negative And raider fans they're leaving
the coliseum peppering you with calls also not. Happy and
so The, raiders you, know they weren't. Happy AND i
got a phone call one time after they they were
own thirteen or, no they were oh and ten and

(55:20):
their last three game or the last what it.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Was right before they won That thursday night.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Game, yeah so they're oh and ten AND i think
they just played The rams and it's Like Steve spagnola
might have been THE i don't even know who the coach,
was and and The rams beat them like sixteen or.
Nothing it's, like is this the worst team we've ever?
Seen SO i tweeted, OUT i Think ohn sixteen is.
Possible their next opponents were Like, Chiefs Horbon, Niners, uh

(55:46):
just good teams Like. PATRIOTS i don't even know it
was good. Teams AND i got a call on The
tormac from their team president like you need to take that.
Down that is not, True like you just lost sixty to.
Nothing you're oh in. TEN i just, Tweeted ohen sixteen
is on the. TABLE i don't work for you. Guys
that was kind of the beginning of the. End they
weren't you know he. Did Mark davis wasn't happy with.
Me and then your boy got escorted out of the,

(56:07):
building AND i think they gave you the option to.
Stay But abraman drew a line in the sand and, said, No,
Moss i'm out as, well so he came down with. Me.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Crazy as bad as The raiders have been that they,
have this is the first time they had the number
one picks in two thousand and, SEVEN.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
I would imagine they haven't had the number one. Pick,
like they haven't been good for a long long, time
even over the course like post. EIGHTIES i think they
were down Until gruden got, there the SECOND i ever
had it in the history of the. Franchise, YEAH i
feel like they've had a lot.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Of batund sixty TWO afl. Draft, yeah they've had a.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Lot of god awful teams and they just pick, fourth
fifth or.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Six would you here's a question for that happened this.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
YEAR i, mean look at like a team drafting fifth
or sixth or. Seventh there were some for a while
they were like we're In, december there's like five to
two three win. Teams it's like they're all. Battling there's
a big difference to Getting Fernando mendez if you need
a quarterback and just no one. ELSE i guess what's his?
Name could Say.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Dante AND i Like Dante. More if he comes, Out
Dylan roola is banking on, It uh see?

Speaker 2 (57:09):
That so he's he's cool with. Him stand there's paying
him so much it doesn't. Matter or is that he
knows he's.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Leaving maybe he knows he's. LEAVING i Mean Dante more
did the same thing At oregon the year before With Dylan.
Gabriel he came and sat for a, year paid a
lot of. Money But i'd be surprised if.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
They win a national championship With Dylan. Royola have you
Done nebraska? Games?

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (57:31):
IS i, mean Maybe i'm too hard on. HIM i
feel like he's not that. Good but THEN i get
people in MY dms or die hard Of nebraska fans that,
are obviously we're, disappointed BUT i think you undersell. Him
he's probably better than you think he. Is did he
improve a off this? Year you do games this year At? Nebraska?

Speaker 1 (57:43):
YEAH i Did Nebraska. Maryland maryland's quarterback actually is a
like if as a. Scout he was a, freshman so
you wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Have scouted him this fight star like elite.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Recruiter, Yeah Malik, Washington like that guy's. INTERESTING i don't
know That dylan got better this. Year LIKE i think
that was probably the frustration esecial because then they had
they Had Dana holgersimon as THE oc this, year and
you thought like they were going to take a. Step
BUT i also, think Like i'm not saying He's. Caleb
he's Not, caleb but he did some things where it's
like they're not playing, well not playing, well and then
he just makes a couple of. Throws you're, like oh my,

(58:14):
god who else makes that? Throw but he didn't do
it as consistently As, caleb and he did, it you,
know he's kind of similar to being like An eagles
quarter like he. Did nebraska is a tough. Play it's
just it's a Very it's of all the fish, bowls
like it's a major fish, bowl you, Know Ohio. State
nebraska is not even sneaky like major fish.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Bull so, yeah back To maria showed me this. Clip
it made me laugh Because, BELICHICK i mean would have
fired everyone on the. Spot but The patriots social media
is actually pretty good, now and they had this girl
that basically gave like a three minute reel On instagram
of the meal that They she just showed. Him they
had a night game what from morning till they? Leave

(58:56):
actually it Started saturday night into the all Day, Sunday
so a team employ you, know like the teams, yeah
team reporter or, whatever team social media girl chicks showing
them with the mura was. Fascinating she's, like how can
they eat this? Much, well you've, LISTEN i remember At,
fresno stay thinking you got to be very careful to not.

(59:17):
GO i can't eat like these guys when you go
with The. Niners what's the go? To, like how do
you approach?

Speaker 1 (59:24):
That first of, all you land at eleven pm and
you get to the hotel and there is a full.
Spread they had you a.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Snack when you get on the plane, too.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Well you can you can grab Your chick Fil a
on the. Tarmac then you get on the plane and
you have a choice Of Red robin, burgers fried, chicken, salads.
RAPS i try to go grilled chicken. Rap then there's
also full airplane. Fare you like five different. Things do
you want the you, know the shrimp pasta or. Whatever

(59:54):
then you can just walk back and there's just all
these Trade it's like full sized TwixT bar, kitkats seventeen
different types of. CHIPS i discovered finally this last week
there is ice cream on the, Plane magnum. Bar you,
know it's just it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Stop you, know you serve. Yourself you just walk back and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Ass they'll Serve they'll happily serve. You but you can
go back and just like start grabbing stuff out of the.
Bins sour patch kids. Dangerous you get to the place
line of food like it's a wedding and it's again
you know a lot of really good hot, food they're really.
Dangerous part AND i know you would is the cookie
ice cream Bar friday night before the. GAME i always

(01:00:31):
make sure to come back for, That Like haberman is in,
here a lot used at the meals at three, thirty
another meal at, five a snack at eight. Sneaky these
guys eat every two hours, Too so it's just way
too much free accessible.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
FOOD i get it from the players. Standpoint they're burning
a lot of. Calories some of those guys metabolism when
they're twenty, five they could. EAT i remember seeing Like
Deshaun jackson who eat burgers and fries woulden phase Like
leonore like tip for him to gain, weight it's probably
gonna be. Hard and then you get the bigger guys
that have to maintain. It but the coaching, staff it's
WHY i have so much respect even LIKE i saw

(01:01:05):
this clip Of John harbaugh his, workout like he's pretty
dialed to have. That you talk about the ultimate discipline
is who doesn't like? Food one and no one in
the football world doesn't like. Food so Like Robert, sala
who's clearly bigger now from a, muscle lower body fast
standpoint than he, was his discipline has to BE i,

(01:01:25):
mean what's Does kyle just eat air LIKE i can?

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Pick i've seen him, once you, KNOW i, KNOW i
watched That Lway doc And, kyle you, Know kyle the
fun the great one of the great things on that
doc is like, skinny like eighteen year old, seventeen fifteen
whatever year Old kyle in the background Behind Michael holton's.
CORDS i don't know if his waist was thirty, then
it's probably thirty four, now maybe thirty a little.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Bigger he's a little bigger, now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
But, yeah it's it's. Uh and then you, know half
the time you just uber eats your own, thing like
you may not even eat the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Food is That?

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Pretta, YEAH i get seventy, bucks So i'm not don't.
Care so baseball used get like one hundred and ten a.
Day what WAS U you'd probably get more THAN i.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Get you, know your boy here in the peak of
The Golden State, war Was Kevin durant on the. Team then,
yeah then you do a couple of road trips.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
With, that or did team meal At No Boo?

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Manhattan, yeah so's it's a little different animal with basketball
because they eat super, late, right they did that after the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Games now that was a night before because they got
so many off. Days In, bia you get so many off.
DAYS i have a question for, you, unrelated if you
were if you were A phenamends or any other, quarterback
would you look at The raiders differently Because Tom brady's?
There you, know like If brady's not, there you might,
LIKE i don't know IF i want to play for The.
RAIDERS i don't, know if the coach is, unstable blah blah.

(01:02:58):
Blah but then you get free access to the one
of the you, know arguably the greatest quarterback of all the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Time BUT i think it's gonna be VERY i think
it's gonna be very. TELLING i don't know what he
did last year and want to SEE i, mean they
don't even have a, coach, right so who they? Hire
who's the if that guy's offensive play? Color you know
With Matt, Ryan Like Matt ryan's gonna be at the?
COMBINE i would, guess, like Is tom at the combine
for this? One because to, me he has to be

(01:03:24):
if you're gonna, play you. Can't it's a one THING
i respect About elway is When elway became THE, gm
LIKE i would quit everything else and just became THE.
Gm now was he working as hard as Like John
snyder or? WHATEVER i don't know what a daily.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Baby he had to sell his car dealerships, too, Right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Like it was he went all in right And Matt,
ryan at first it was reported as, like, hey Now
ma's gonna still DO cbs like you. Can't that's not gonna.
Work Matt. RYAN i was watching ON. Cbs you're probably
on the bust of the. Game he actually gave a
pretty good like they talked about it and it was just,
Important Like Matt ryan's an impressive, guy and he's, Like
i'm all in, Right i'm gonna because that's What how

(01:04:00):
are you gonna? Beat Like, Lesnie John, Schneider John, Lynch
kyle like this. Guy these are these guys' lives twenty
four to seven threes sixty. Five so to, Me, tom
WHICH i don't blame. Him he's playing at these sweet
country clubs In. Florida he's living. Life he takes THE
pja the night before the. Game but if you gonna
if you're going to impact, this like you need to
be a little bit more involved if you're gonna come

(01:04:21):
in with, opinions like you gotta Hire Chip. Kelly why
Because bill told you their, Buddies like from WHAT i told,
His chip was on the phone with his coaching, buddies
like sixty percent of the. Day it's, like but you
would never have allowed that to, Happen, tom if you
were in the it wouldn't have been. Tolerate you would
have snapped as a, player let, alone like what your
role is. Now but when you're out of, side out of,
mind LIKE i just think it's gonna be. Interesting does

(01:04:42):
he get more? Involved because the one thing That i've
always Defended mark Is mark really wants this to, work
and he's just trying to get some. Help he Begged
John gruden to do, it Gave hi a hundred million.
Dollars he Begged Tom brady like he was the guy
that went To. Tom you, know he's trying to do
Like mark is act like people Crush Mike. Brown somebody's
LIKE i do they? Care? Not like you, Know mark

(01:05:03):
tries and he goes LIKE i don't really know What
i'm DOING i don't even want to try, This LIKE
i he's gone After John gruden And Tom brady and
it so far it's all blown up in his. Face
but it's not from lack of. EFFORT i do think
That Fernando, mendoza If tom goes to the combine and
surely he's going to be, INVOLVED i would imagine he
would fly out for a workout or something to meet, him,

(01:05:23):
like how do You it'd be pretty exciting if you
were him to do. IT i Think, tom especially LIKE
i like to me IF i was a betting man right,
NOW i could See Robert sola being the coach. There,
well so he's the type guy they. Need YESTERDAY.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
I saw somebody say, like Did Tom brady just see
What Robert sala just? Did not that The eagles offense
is some, Juggernaut but Like Robert salas performance with a
bunch of deal like it was kind Of belichick esque in,
that you, Know belichick obviously had good. Players you can't
not have good, players but maximize this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Talent and he those two, TALKING i uh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
NO i didn't doesn't mean they. Didn't but wasn't it
after a play was it after a playoff? Game That
John lynch Called Kyle, shannon was, like, HEY i could
come be YOUR. Gm, LIKE i do think there is
there is a pretty significant. Value you meet with these,
people you study, them you watch them up. CLOSE i
do think the television, thing you get such access to,

(01:06:20):
Coaches LIKE i bet people would be surprised how much you,
know you saw The akoman, News like some of this
stuff has become a little more.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Public how Many packer games do you Think troy's done
the last twenty?

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Years, YEAH i think people would be surprised to find.
OUT i don't want to say the influence that some
of these big time analysts, have but they they. Are
they can be kind of unofficial search. Firm help you
know when you call a, guy because who meets with
this many coaches other than big TIME tv? Analysts college, too,

(01:06:50):
Right like let's just say you're hiring a college football
coach and you're hiring At, texas so like you have
the pick of the. Litter, well WHO i want to? Call, like,
well who meets with the most offensive coordinators and defensive?
COORDINATORS i want to? Call let me Call Joel, Klatt
let me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Call you, Know like we'll explain that if you're if
you're Doing Indiana nebraska and you're meeting With, indiana how
does it? Work who do you talk with and how
does it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Go, so if we're doing a football, game we On,
wednesday we'll do a zoom with the visiting team with
the head coach for thirty minutes or an. Hour you
have thirty minutes to an hour with the head, coach
thirty minutes with each the offensive, coordinator the defensive. Coordinator
you probably talk to the quarterback for fifteen, minutes that
sort of. Thing and then On, friday we'll fly in
and Then friday morning we'll go to the team facility

(01:07:33):
and you'll sit down in a meeting room one on,
one so you'll get the, coordinator the, coordinator the head,
coach and then some. Players and we'll also go to
practice On. Friday nine point nine times out of ten
you'll go to walk through On, friday so you'll watch.
That you'll actually watch them practice like you'll watch a,
coach you, know like do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Stuff would you say THE nfl is the, Same.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
SO i think there's a little more Like. SATURDAY i
think there's a little more zoom in the. End i'm not.
POSITIVE i don't know their schedule as. WELL i do
think some guys will go to you, know. PRACTICE i
guess you'd go through like a what A friday walk
through or you go to A saturday walk.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
THROUGH i remember seeing guys at the facility if we
had A sunday Afternoon Big fox game or The sunday night,
game like The Big boys would be in in the.
CAFETERIA i felt like On.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Friday, Afternoon, yeah, okay so you will get some of,
that probably not both teams.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Because saturdays a lot of places is a quick walk.
Through guys are at, home right or you, know they
kind of get it's kind of a day, off and
it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Anything it's just a weird deal to be there two extra, days,
right to come In, friday and then what do you Do?
Saturday if you're you know? Whoever SO i would imagine
you get quite a, bit especially a little more people
are making fifteen. Million now you got A pj, like
you're probably not coming in On friday as.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Much, well how many of these guys are flying commercial airlines?
Anymore like all The Big boys calling these? Games, Yeah,
haman but so LIKE i Think Tom brady.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Matters, YEAH i also think at first the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Broadcast thing, too keeps them elevated at a high. Level
and that's A i don't know he obviously they paid
him three hundred seventy million. Dollars BUT i do, think
especially NOW i was a hater last, year he's kind
of hitting his stride as he's Passed. ROMO i, Mean
rome's going the other. Way Because tom's a football. Guy
likes how Easy Tom brady. Calls do you know? What

(01:09:23):
he's dropping a? LOT i thought he got. Banned he's, like,
yeah talking To kyle or he's dropping a lot of,
that you, know because those guys call, him they want to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Talk to, answer you. Know but it's one THING i
wonder if it would be different if The raiders are
THE Afc west, champs like right, now, like, Yeah, Tom
i'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Whatever right, well specifically to, me where it get weird
would be like The Andy Sean Payton harbaugh crew have
to be a little. Uncovered they're they're not talking To
tom a, LOT i, think very specific to that, division
those three, Guys but Like kyle Or sean, McVay what
do they give a? Shit?

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Right kyle's happy or mad to pick Up Tom brady's,
call like he's got questions For. Tom BUT i, YEAH
i JUST i think IT'S i think people would be
surprised the level Of and again like think about who
would you. Ask but the guys that gets to talk
to all these cause they they'll have a list for,
you like you know who's impressive This because here's the
other thing that. Happens you go to. Practice you're out

(01:10:16):
there fifteen minutes before practice, starts like you just here
comes with the running back, coach the quarterback COACH i
love talking, To like you go on the field before
the game and you just talking to like the ASSISTANT
qb Coach and guess what that guy's in oc in five? Years,
Right so like that's HOW i. GET i mean you
you're great at. It LIKE i talked to scouts on
the field before the game And i'll say to, like,
hey what do you think of what do you think

(01:10:37):
of this? GUY i run into all your buddies And i'm,
like hey middle cough like oh. Yeah so there's just
so much there's so much information that is there is
no replacement for human to human contact when it comes
to information. Gathering and that's what you. Did that's why
you were driving Your Hondack court throughout the country because
it's better to meet with somebody face to. Face you're
going to get so much good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
INTEL i don't know if HE'S i, mean you see
him at these. GAMES i think he still goes forty nine.
Games but one of the greatest sideline bullshitters and Networkers
i've ever seen Is Mike. SILVER i, mean his talent he.
Is he will know everyone on the sideline Getting he's
getting my number WHEN i was a. NOBODY i, mean
he's got the head. Coach this guy can JUST i,
mean he's it's a, talent and the better you are

(01:11:20):
at it in those, jobs it gives you much more.
ACCESS i mean WHEN i worked for WHEN i first
got hired for The. Eagles you, know this is twenty,
ten so it's not like they're warn't cell. Phones but
how he used to call the office. Line you know
that ain't happen anymore or, now excuse. Me Adam scheffer
used to call How he's office, line And katie would be,
Like adam's on the, Phone like that's you. Know but back,
then you, know you're just working the. Phone you, know

(01:11:42):
you don't know people as. Well maybe and at this
point in. Time the. NETWORK i feel like in football
probably like in all, sports but specifically THE nfl is like.
SHRUNK i feel it's really closed down right. Now it's
like the same crew of like three or four guys
getting all the jobs and now maybe. Change like The
ravens used to be a right a springboard for a

(01:12:04):
lot of the. League that's so that that might. Change Same,
steelers probably not as, much BUT i mean The ravens
aren't you, Know mike McDonald mint is probably gonna be
a head. Coach all their personnel, guys you, know does
that get blown? Up but Obviously kyle and McVeagh have
been going pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Strong yeah they were getting jobs and didn't really work
out for any of. Them but IF i give one
piece of advice to like a twenty two year old doing,
anything it would be like ask for the, phone ask
for a phone. Number people will nine times out of
ten give you their phone. Number you, KNOW i think
at to figure, out like just ask that coach for

(01:12:37):
his and then like start texting.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Them you, know like you grew, up you wanted to
like call games right and that it felt like an
unattainable be ON tv or call AN Nfl Major League baseball.
Game do you think there are a lot of kids
now did want to do that or they're more likely,
to LIKE i want to make content for TikTok and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
REELS i mean for, sure BUT i just think like
there's first of, all.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
My point is there less less depth of talent coming
up that actually makes it. Easy it was one of
my brother's best. Friends, NO i think as a general,
Contractor he's, like no one wants to do these. Jobs
i'm getting double the amount of work because my competition is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Diminishing, INTERESTING i think there's more because LIKE i think
there's more to. Do you can do more like you
can you, know WHEN i, STARTED i was willing to
do whatever for free or next to. Nothing SO i,
did but it had to be on a radio station
or a LOCAL tv station or. Whatever you can go
do your own thing right now wherever you want to do.
It AND i think more people have kind of seen,

(01:13:34):
that and THERE'S i get a lot of like IF
i go to a college game without, fail at least
one or two students comes up to me and ask some,
advice which is. GREAT i did the same thing WHEN
i was at a, Game but, yeah it feels like
IF i if you look out right, now there's just
like a bunch of guys in, there mid to late
twenties out Of, syracuse just like time, Stuff Noah eagles.

(01:13:58):
Killing it's actually uh and that's an, exception but there's
still there's a lot OF.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
I do think there's a power because it's never been
easier IF i was like twenty years old to, say,
OH i send a bunch of emails AND i send
a bunch of LinkedIn messages like the phone call and
obviously getting in person is way. Harder it's easier to
justify LIKE i didn't have to do it BECAUSE i
already contacted, them LIKE i sent them FOUR dms OR

(01:14:27):
i sent them five, emails, Right and that that's WHERE
i wonder the people that are going to, separate BECAUSE
i see it With maria's in real, estate like younger
people that are, hustling that that they're they're physical showing
up really stepparate because a lot of people are gonna
say WHY i, called you, KNOW i sent five text
messages or. Whatever it's, like, yeah people just delete.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
THAT i, mean you know you're about to have a.
BABY i just had a.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
BAND i was GONNA i was gonna end with some
some parenting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Advice he's he's two months, old and so you, Know
i'm watching a lot of parenting. Videos and they also
any parent watching this or listening to, THIS i, mean you,
know there's a million of, you more than a million
of you out, there so Like i'm not breaking any ground,
here but they all just say. Grit Like i've watched
a lot of, Videos they're, like don't tell your kids he's.
Smart don't be, like, oh you're so, smart compliment them.

(01:15:14):
On they did this study where they took two groups
of kids and they had them take a, test and
then after the, test they told one half of the
kids a good job working through all the, problems and
they told the other half of the, Kids, wow you're so.
Smart and then they retested and the test was a little,
harder and the kids that they just said you're so
smart to tested worse than the kids that they, complimented

(01:15:37):
like how hard they worked on? It? Right and that
was really. Interesting that was really.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Interesting you already use that to your young.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Son oh, Yeah i'm not telling me. Smart, Ever and
based on the, genetics.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
What would you? Say early was in on this parenting advice.
Slash you, know the experience for the two months has been,
like oh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
God that's a great. QUESTION i would say it is
it is like you you hear people say all the
time and it's, true like, oh mom's a. Superhero it
is so, true and like your only, job not your only,
job but the main job is just be, like, hey whatever you're,

(01:16:24):
feeling it is impossible for me to understand what you're.
Feeling it is impossible when your body is about to
physically go through especially you know if it's like a
planned at. Surgery SO i would say that'sk you just
like you wake up every day and you tell us of,
Today i'm going to be the most patient PERSON i
can possibly, be and that's the number one THING i
need to do. Today SO i mean that's up. There

(01:16:47):
and then, yeah it's LIKE i don't even the lack
of sleep IS i think if you're working a nine to,
five the lack of sleep is probably a. Factor if
you're a, podcaster.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Like you'll be called just call a playoff.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Game, No you'll you'll be, fine you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Know WHAT i?

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Mean LIKE i get, like that's WHERE i REALLY i
think it's probably when people, like OH i slept four
hours last, Night like you, know you can get up
at four. Thirty i've enjoyed. That get up at four,
thirty put the baby, down get for like three. HOURS
i remember seeing a meme one, time LIKE i became
a dad AND i finally understand while my dad used
to sit alone at the breakfast nook at four thirty
A i'm with this. Coffee it's like you do you
get it, Immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
So just your your piece and. Quiet, yeah, yeah it's, incredible,
man congratulations and just buckle. UP i don't you know
you just you start he starts getting, close and you start,
thinking these things are really about to be. Here you,
know my life is never going to be the same
in a great. Way but it's, like, whoa this IS i.

(01:17:47):
Better you feel a lot of. Pressure you, Know i'm
just doing it, right being the right type person because
you're your, actions like you, said not only your words
as they get, older but like the way you conduct
yourself the way it's gonna be a huge role model the,
kid especially early on in their life before they're out
and about with friends from junior high and high, school
but like that stretch of in their single digits as

(01:18:10):
they become a human being and walking and. Talking they're
just looking at you and, Her so you better be
a freaking good role. Model you can't just emotionally snap
when the internet's slow or get pissed. Off you, know
just stuff that just doesn't really. Matter that's what you
kind of think, about you, like how much stuff in
life is kind of trivial and doesn't really matter that.
Much it's like when you hear older, people you, go you,
KNOW i stop giving a shit WHEN i realized none

(01:18:31):
of that actually. MATTERED i THINK i read something or
heard someone say that on, average this person that worked
at like a funeral home that, said by far less
than ten ten people cry at a funeral or. Something it's,
like so just you just start, realizing like in your,
life it's such a small amount of people that truly,
care like, you like your immediate the point was usually immediate,
family like people have been in business, with and you,

(01:18:52):
know random neighbors and. Stuff it's like not saying they don't,
care but like emotionally or just a wreck at a,
funeral it's a very small, percentage even big. Funerals so
it's like you, realize like how many people truely and
no one's going to be more dependent on you than.
That little individuals and as they get, bigger the hell
ideally you, know grow up in healthy and happiness and
know just kind of can live a successful life and

(01:19:14):
whatever they want to. Do but you are a big
conduit of leading them somewhat in the direction right. Now
that's what's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
CRAZY i think there's a lot of things you worry
about right away that like are not like CAN i change?

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
It The Dad. DIARIES i added something to the podcast
Every TUESDAY i did The Dad, diaries and last week
it was like all the scams of different things you
buy and you're looking back like you AND i have
talked about, it LIKE i feel LIKE i just had
a crib and like a blanket as a, kid AND
i get it times have, changed but you, know and
that stuff you look back and kind of laugh at
the best thing we got the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Pacifier someone's, like what's the best thing you? Got i'm
like the, Pacifier like that's the only THING i need
is the best.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Past fire, bottles right even the bottle. Cleaner this thing
we got is. Insane it's it was super. Hot you're
doing all these different contraction like this is. Creaty my,
mom no way she had. This we did not want
it didn't. Exist but AGAIN i look back and there's
nothing wrong with. It it was LIKE i feel LIKE
i just had a crib in my. Room and then
even WHEN i became like an like, TEN i feel

(01:20:11):
LIKE i just had a bed and a couple of
pieces of. CLOTHES i don't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Know the craziest thing we got this kid is a cell,
Phone like you, know when we got on a cell
phone all the. TIME i think you guys got us
the little mat with like the little things hanging like he.
Likes that's that's a good. One but it's just stuff
that like you, think CAN i change a? Diaper and
then it's JUST i was terrified of. IT i was, like,

(01:20:34):
GOD i don't, know this is kind of. Smelly and
then it's. Fine But i'm also aware it's been eight,
weeks like right, now it's just manual. LABOR i haven't
had to make any hard decisions about how DO i
lead this child, yet you know WHAT i? Mean like
that to me seems to be.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
The part the emotions lesson is he goes off to junior.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
High, yeah like that's the part that right Now i'm
just like it's just. Willpower CAN i get?

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Up?

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
WELL i have. TO i got shoved in bed the
other night for snoring and it wasn't, me it was a,
baby AND i GOT i got punched in the. Arm good,
snore like good loud. Snore it's gonna freak you. Out
these babies, sleeping the noise.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
That you're, like is he?

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Okay LIKE i think he's choking right, Now like, no
that's just that's how BABY'S.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
I do think it's. CRAZY i mean she's she's literally
about to. Pop how they can just live in that
thing for that? Long how they? Survive That's i'll.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Finish with, This, John and this is something hopefully people
watching this will have SOME i keep asking people who
are been parents for a long, time like does this
feeling when you look at them of total? Disbelief does
that go? Away or are you just always because right
NOW i am every just in total, Disbelief like where

(01:21:45):
did you come? From where did you come?

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
From my dad would say, like, well, yeah when he
rear ends a car and drives home and, says, dad
we got a problem that you're, like that starts. Happening,
yes the disbelief turns in to swear, words screams and
things being thrown at. You but right now and there YOU.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
I think you were like a block from.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
Home, yeah, crazy you know it's, like, uh you get
caught with you, know your buddy's bag of weed under your.
Bed you're like. That there is no disbelief, there it's
just eyes of like are they gonna kill me right?
Now so, yeah i'd say, YEAH i THINK i think
it definitely. Fades. Uh if there's a, bromo.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Least lights out the. Window It's.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
John what time does the the bird take off From
Santa clair Or? Sfo?

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Uh Santa, Sfo San francisco back one, o'clock one o'clock
bus On? Friday SO i get first, bus SO i
get to The chick Fil a, first WHICH i skip self?

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Control what we do you do Anything friday? Night are
just gonna lock in.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Walk?

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
In, yeah it's a big. One you can just GET
i don't know another Legendary carl call in the history
of a.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
Franchise we don't think they're gonna, win do?

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
YOU i MEAN i didn't think they were gonna win last.
Week it's. Weird LIKE i say the same thing about The,
bears Like i'm the against. HIM i THINK i saw
seven and a half points feels a little. Strong but
The George kittle, thing it's one thing in the moment
that's pretty, devastating you. Know just it's kind of important
to just makes some PLAYS i don't want. TO i,
Mean Trent williams walk, today that's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
It they played six games with that joy they beat
him with. THAT i Mean george got hurt in the first. Game,
yeah who are the Super?

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
BOWL i think that The bills win this. Week watch
out like it might just be he he was a
man amongst boys in that. Game now their team's not as,
Good But i'm not betting on Bow. Knicks The rams
look way. Off who, knows Maybe, seattle If Sam darnold's,
on they're gonna be really. Good The, PATRIOTS I i don't.

(01:23:40):
KNOW i think it's wide. Open if The niners had
a couple more, bodies like they could win it just.
Hard can they win four games with the crew they
were rolling? Out it'd be the greatest accomplishment that anyone
has ever. Seen, Okay Audio, saberman the volume

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