3 & Out - Reid or Belichick, Jerry Jones is on one, Coaches and GM's introduced - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on? Happy Pro Bowl week?
Hopefully everyone's having a good Tuesday. And thought i'd record

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a little podcast. Had about twenty four hours to let
yesterday Sunday, recording this on Monday. The games marinate, some
thoughts on coach Reid. A ton of press conferences today,
Jerry Jones see a little off the reservation. We got

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the Jets announced, Aaron Glenn, spy Tech and Pete Carroll
welcome to todats. We got Robert Salah officially the forty
nine Ers defensive coordinator. What's the like going back to
the well. Kyle Shanahan trying to get a little old
former glory right there with old mister Salah, my bald brother.

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this week and then kind of a buckle up for
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we hear that word. We use that word a lot.
What is someone's legacy? And obviously with public figures, whether
you're a musician, an actor, obviously an athlete or a coach,

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there are ways we quantify that. How many hit songs
you've had, how many big movies you've had as an athlete,
how many championships you've won, how many games you've won,
how much money you've made as a coach, same type thing,
And you know, I think in football you have these
kind of like transcendent individuals like I never watched Vince

(03:51):
Lombardi coach a game, but Vince Lombardi to me. A
football coaches is kind of the Babe Ruth. He is
a name that his legacy and his impact was so
strong that people discuss him. I'm forty years old. I
was born in the eighties. Vince Lombardi did not coach
a game in the eighties obviously since then, yet he
was discussed like he was the greatest coach to ever

(04:13):
watch walk the face of this earth. And I still
speak like that, and we still quote Vince Lombardi. Bill
Walsh is a good example. I don't remember watching him
ever coach a game in the Pros. I kind of
mildly remember him at Stanford. But Bill Walsh's entire setup
of his organization are things that Mike Shanahan kept, are

(04:36):
things that Pete Carroll kept. Basically, his philosophical views on
how to build a team is what Bill Belichick copied.
And Andy Reid indirectly is from that family because Mike
Holmgren got him his start in the Pros working for
the Green Bay Packers, who had worked under Bill Walsh

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from the forty nine ers, and coach Joe Montana and
Steve Young. So the cool part about football is all
these things are interconnected. I'm watching John Spytech today get
introduced with the Raiders, he had the same job, maybe
a little different, who knows, in two thousand and five
as I had in twenty ten with the Philadelphia Eagles.
He got his start in scouting working for Andy Reid.

(05:20):
Howie Roseman became a general manager under Andy Reid, and
a lot of personnel guys for Belichick, and we go,
could Andy Reid ever eclipse Bill Belichick? And I would
have told you a couple of years ago, It's just
going to be impossible. It's a numbers game. How's he
ever going to get some six championships? And now you
look and you go, well, he has a chance in

(05:41):
less than two weeks to get his fourth and third
in a row, something no coach in NFL history has
ever done. And while Belichick, like Andy Reid, has a
pretty powerful personnel group, a lot of guys have worked
under Belichick, have worked under Andy Reid and gone on
to have success. Would say, I think Andy's have had

(06:02):
a little more success, but Bill has a lot of
guys doing a lot of good things. Adam Peters got
his start in New England, just led the freaking Washington
Commanders to the NFC Championship Game. Nick Cassario has turned
around the Texans. Back to back years they've won a
playoff game. But as a coach, like one thing Bill
Walsh had is think about all the guys that worked

(06:24):
for him that went on to great success, and that
is the one knock on Belichick. It's like, why couldn't
anyone leave the Belichick umbrella and go on and do
it for themselves. It's like, did he not share anything
with anyone else? Clearly Belichick left the New England Patriots
and the whole thing just fell apart. That's why they

(06:45):
immediately fired Mayo and went right to Rabel. And you
look at Andy Reid. I was thinking this yesterday. It's like, well,
he just beat Sean McDermott, who got his start with
Andy Reid. Last year he beat John Harbaugh both in
the conference championship game. Got his start in the pros
with Andy Reid. So you're telling me the two other

(07:06):
best teams in the AFC are Andy Reid. Guys. It's
like kind of a big deal, you know. I mean,
it's like that Belichick doesn't have anything close to that
of coaches that had worked for him. It's like that's
the thing with Walsh. It's like, you know, walshit Seaford,
he had Holme Grin, Seafford went on to win. Holmgron
went on to win, Seaford hired Shanahan. As all that,

(07:28):
the web went like this where Belichick's It's like when
they're under Belichick, they're kicking ass and taking aims. When
they leave the nest, it implos well, it's like, if
you think about it, Belichick gets a lot of with
the nine Super Bowls? Is there you know this is
Andy Reid six and now Andy Reid is in a
category all by himself. No other coach beside Belichick has

(07:51):
ever been to that many Super Bowls. So I think
at this point in time you could put him in
the argument. If you had to mount rushmore of football coaches,
you could easily say it's Lombardi, Walsh, Andy Reid, and Belichick.
And anytime you're nitpicking who's the best, some people would
say Lombardi's the best. I know where I come from,

(08:12):
It'd be hard. You'd be hard pressed to get anyone
to come off Bill Walsh. Belichick might tell you is
Bill Walsh. I think Belichick's pretty special. What Andy Reid
is on right now is the ultimate heater, and if
he wins three straight, like that's gotta be worth something
because it's literally Belichick and Brady never did it. And
the thing is, it's like, well Belichick won some Super

(08:34):
Bowls when he worked for Parcells. His defensive coordinator, well,
Andy did the same thing. He was like one of
home Grin's right hand men with the Green Bay Packers,
and Brett Favre won a Super Bowl, went to another.
So he's had success as assistant coach, dominated as a
head coach. And one main point of differentiation is like
when they've got their all time great quarterback, they kicked

(08:55):
everyone's ass Andy one with a ton of other quarterbacks,
I saw Mike Vick like wasn't the easiest guy to
play with, even though he was an exceptional talent, right,
little inaccurate, kind of small and got injured a lot.
I wasn't there for Donovan McNabb, but good player, solid player,
had some flaws also, little inaccurate and as we saw

(09:17):
in the Super Bowl back in the day when terrell
O and snapped on him, like was out of shape.
So it's like Alex Smith just physically pretty limited and
he won a ton of games with all those guys.
Then you giving Patrick Mahomes just rattling off super bowls.
He wins this thing like he's not eighty years old.
I'm not saying he's gonna get to six, but I

(09:39):
think it would definitely be in the in the realm
of possibility, you know, because this team is going to
be better next year. And I never would have thought
that a couple of years ago. It's like, how are
they gonna do this? How are they ever gonna catch him?
And it's like, well, now he's starting to like clide
in the ladder and you can see him seeing Belichick's ass.
It's like, he's not that far away. He's got to
win this game to have a pretty good chance. And

(10:01):
if he wins this game, like I think it's definitely
on the table, I think it would be possible. And
that is insane. I don't think anyone would have said
that three years ago. But that's what happens when you
potentially win three straight championships. And I think his legacy
is more than just winning these championships, where when you
think of Bill, it's like greatest defensive mind ever champion.

(10:21):
When you think of Andy one of the greatest offensive
minds ever, champion, an incredible human to work for, I know,
personally change my life. I think there is probably slim
to zero chance I'm working with Colin if I had
worked for Doug Moron or some other random coach in
the NFL in the twenty tens, right, instead, I worked

(10:44):
for Andy Reid and Howie Roseman. You know, Howie Roseman's
a good example. When Chip got fired and Howie Roseman
got put back into this chair of GM. The Eagles
since then have been to seven They've had seven playoff appearance,
They've been to the conference championship three times, and obviously
they've won all three. I think I wrote down yesterday

(11:09):
their previous scoring outputs before yesterday were when they knocked
out Perty, they won that game thirty one to seven.
When they played Minnesota with Foles, they won that game
thirty eight to seven. And obviously they set a NFC
record yesterday with fifty five points. And Howie Roseman where
did he learn a lot of his how to build

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the team from Andy Reid. So it's like, I just
think his impact on the game is much closer to
Walsh and part of it was. When you live in
the moment, it's hard to take inventory and really factor
it in. But like, just start factoring it in right now.
It's fucking insane. How many guys are Andy Reid, guys

(11:53):
who are dominating the NFL coaches and executives. Well, the
only thing Bill ever had were executives. Because you put
Matt Patricia, you put Josh McDaniels, you put Joe Judge,
you put any of these guys in charge of your
organization like that thing on fire, because it's got no chance,
it's gonna be ugly. You give even his high floor
guys like listen, Ron Rivera's never gonna go down as

(12:17):
Bill Parcells. But he took the Panthers to a super Bowl.
I know I attended to think now I bet against him,
but still Cam Newton, MVP Ron Rivera super Bowl like
that happened. We all witnessed it. So I think when
you look at Andy Reid, even if he doesn't get
to six, you could argue, if he goes to five,
his overall impact on the sport and his influence with

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different teams is gonna be stronger than Belichick. And I'm
not anti Belichick. I'm not one of those guys who
thinks he's over rated, who thinks it was all Brady.
He's elite, just like Andy. But their personalities, you know,
Bill's is like, I'm kind of angry at the world,
unless you're Michael Lombardi or I guess Josh a little bit.
I'm just fucking pissed off, not here to bullshit. Well,

(13:03):
like Andy clearly teaches his guys a lot more. I mean.
And the other thing is this, he does the most
valuable thing in the history of the sport and coach quarterback.
And that mattered in the seventies, that mattered in the nineties,
and that obviously matters right now. Not that Bill can't,

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Like I think Bill can coach any position, but he
ain't that he can't do that, and I think having
that skill is a separating factor. So I think when
you look at what's on the line and listen to
legacy talk and where you stand all time, you can

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say it's cheesy or whatever. But when you get these
all time greats in these positions like this is kind
of on the table and he wins this, he would
be in a category all by himself, like the Mahomes
talk a couple of years sounded crazy. Well, think about this.
He's playing in his fifth Super Bowl. He joins two

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other guys that can say that as well. Obviously Tom
Brady and John Elway. Joe Montana, who won four Super Bowls,
can't even say that. Troy Aikman, who won three Super Bowls,
can't say that. Guys like far Of, Roger Steve Young
they only played well I guess Steve, they only won one,
and Steve only played in one. Rogers only played in one,

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and far have played in two. So like Mahomes has
entered this category, and I get asked about it a
lot as we talk about it, a lot like can
he catch Tom Brady? Well, it's obviously going to be
very difficult, but he is climbing up like Andy Reid.
They are chasing those two guys and they are hot
on their tail. And a lot like those two guys

(14:50):
in the biggest games. I don't remember play for play
in every game Belichick and Brady wherever in but I
remember always leaving those games going, what a f wreaking win?
That was remarkable, how they pulled that game out of
their ass. Say the same thing about the Chiefs I
heard of stat today driving around like Mahomes has been

(15:10):
losing in nine playoff games in the second half, he's
won six of them and two other ones he took
to overtime. So his ability to be down and part
of what Brady really hung his hat on. Obviously he
could see he was tall and by you know, when
he really came into his own his arm got stronger,

(15:32):
I thought in his career, but like past oh seven,
like he had a big time arm, but like was
his mental toughness, how unfazed the guy was. And there
is that element with Patrick Mahomes, Like obviously athletically he's
superior to Brady, little shorter, I would say, a little
more vibrant arm, definitely can manipulate the ball a little bit,

(15:52):
and because he can move. But I think the intangible
stuff is when you watch Patrick Mahomes like yesterday, it
hit you. It's like I didn't end up betting on
the game because I was out of money by the
time the game came around because I blew it on
some other stupid stuff. But I remember thinking, in what world,

(16:13):
how would I pick against this team? And I even
had somebodies on the Chiefs, like what are you think.
I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I just tried to
be different and I'm not rooting against you guys, like
I love watching you. I'm not one of these haters
like it's just the referees, it's just the league. No,
that was the Lakers, Like that's an objective fact. That happened.
Mob was in on it, so was David Storm. That's

(16:34):
not happening here. But like the Patriots, they're creating these wins.
They knew Josh Allen does the tush push standing up
to the left over the left guard. They were stuffing
his ass constantly. That wasn't random, Like that didn't just
randomly happen, you know, pretty good penetration there. No, jim

(16:55):
Nantz literally said it. They know it's coming and they
know where he's gonna be. And I told this to Colin, like,
that's not a toush push, that's a quarterback sneak. One
team runs the toush push, even Mark Andrews. No, Mark
Andrews when they brought him in for the Ravens, he
runs what Josh does. He just stands up and he

(17:16):
goes forward and he's big and powerful and he usually
gets it Jalen Hurts, disappears, you don't see him till
they just mark first down and then he gets up
or a touchdown. But I was also thinking about this,
like Texas was some buddies on the Chiefs. They think
Josh Allen is a superstar and they have nothing but

(17:39):
admiration for his just competing against him, But like, think
of the disadvantage, and I would throw Lamar whose coordinator
just got a contract extension, and Joe Burrow, whose coach
is also the play caller. In Zach Taylor, you're playing
Andy Reid, who is the play caller for Patrick Mahomes.

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So you have I mean Walsh on the short list, Walsh,
Mike Shanahan, Mike Omegrin, I mean some of the great
play callers in the history of the sport. They got it,
and they got one of the best quarterbacks of all time.
And you got great quarterback, right, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow,

(18:21):
Lamar Jackson. It's like you got Todd Munkin, who's not
as good as Steve Spagnola. You got Joe Brady, who's
up and coming, good play caller who's not even forty
years old. You think he's gonna fucking beat Joe or
Steve Spagnola. You got Zach Taylor, who, let's face it,
I think Joe Burrow's superstar. Who doesn't. But like, if

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Mahlemes doesn't get a concussion in that NFC AFC Championship game,
do the Bengals win? Come on? Never seen Mahomes play
like that in a playoff game ever, So it's not
a fair fight. And who you're part is as a
star quarterback. Montana got Walsh, Brady got Belichick. Peyton Manning

(19:07):
is probably the outlier that I or you could have
coached him, it didn't matter. I remember hearing stories when
I worked in the NFL when they would walk out
to practice. He would say, give me the practice script
and give me a red pen. This is when he's
in his cleats and his shoulders and his helmet and
he would make corrections before practice started of what he wanted.

(19:29):
That's not normal. You know why? Because Peyton Manning was
their offensive coordinator. Aaron Rodgers attempted to do that this year.
How'd that go? So? I just think that this match
up the legacies what's in the line and Diesel and
Mahomes as well are much closer to Belichick and Brady
than anyone would have thought a year ago. That's what

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Speaker 1 (21:36):
Let's fire around some NFL stories. Jerry was on one today, man,
he was. He was in rare rare form. Now one
thing's clear. Jerry can sell ies to an eskimo. He
is an elite salesman. I went looking at some cars
like a month ago, and sales guy was giving me

(21:59):
the business. And then for the next couple of weeks
he's just wearing me out. And I listen, I appreciate,
and some of you guys listen that it's tried to
sell me on different things. I appreciate. A good hustle
doesn't mean I'm gonna accept, doesn't mean that I want
your business, but I do appreciate the hustle and anyone
in sales like it's a tough job and you get

(22:20):
numbed to being told no. A lot people ghost and
you like it's challenging. Jerry approaches these press conferences and
the way he talks to people like he's trying to
sell you a car, like he's trying to sell you something.
And it's like I even kind of bought some of
his bullshit today talking about Brian Schottenneimer, I think two

(22:42):
things can be true, because I judge you on your actions,
now what your words? They mean little to nothing to me.
They put this press release out on Friday night, so
Jerry can claim he was excited about it. But if
he was as excited as he thought other people would
be excited, he would have put it out Monday morning.

(23:02):
But he knew that everyone was gonna shoot on this
higher and no one has any clue of Brian Shottenheimer's
and he gonna be any good, No one does. I
don't like you're telling me that Brian Schottenheimer can't win
eleven games next year. I don't know. Like I think
everyone acts like he's gonna be the village idiot, like
he's coaching the NFL for a long time. His dad
was a very successful coach. He's been a successful coordinator

(23:25):
at certain spots. He had some success in Seattle. He
obviously had success when he was with Rex Ryan and
Mark Sanchez and had the number one running team rushing
team in the league with the New York Jets. Like
this guy, people act like he's it's insanity. Now it's
insanity because part of becoming a hot candidate is either

(23:49):
being like Ben Johnson, where you have the best offense
or being a coach where you have the best defense
in the league. And it's just like, regardless of what
I sound like or what my agent pumps to the media,
my work speaks for itself. Or I have the agent
that pumps everything to the media and just gains and
garners attention and buzz and just people talking about me

(24:13):
and Brian's shot, and iimer Nolan's been talking about him
for years. So anytime that you're like that, it's a
little out of sight, out of mind. Also, it's like,
why did you fire McCarthy for this guy? Like, I
think all the questions are valid, but we cannot argue
that Jerry Jones is the ultimate showman and runs his
team like a reality television show, and rightfully, so that's

(24:35):
all football is now. Ultimately, winning and losing the games
means a lot to fans and means a lot to
the players and coaches, as it should. But the reason
all this money funnels in is because we watch the games,
win or loose, and comes Sunday, come Monday, come Thursday.

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Millions upon millions of people are watching the reality television
show that is the NFL, and if you're watching the games,
a large percentage of those people follow the coaching movement,
the player movement, the drama in the NFL. Not to
the level of, like, you know, just all about the drama,

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but that plays a part in this and the more
people engage, the more people watch, and the more money
the league makes. And Jerry has been on the forefront
of that movement. So Jerry putting this press release out
Friday takes away from everything he stands for now. I
also think Jerry pushes back that I don't want to

(25:38):
be uncomfortable, and he said that today or you know,
like you guys act like I'm unafraid or I'm afraid
to be uncomfortable and he called bs on that, Well, Jerry,
I think this was the easiest thing for you to do,
And I don't blame you. If I was eighty two,
I probably wouldn't throw a huge hail Mary of some
human being I didn't know. And I also think that

(26:01):
Jerry's job is not as valuable as people would assume
it would be from years past of being you're the
head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. And Jerry had some
incredible lines, like you know when he was when he
was on the team in Arkansas that won the national
championship way back in the day, that he aspired to

(26:22):
be a football coach, but football coach didn't make any money,
and he wanted to live in a big house and
drive a nice car. So he got into business. And
if he knew how much football coaches were going to
be making, he just would have gotten the football coaches
because he knows, because he pays them all now, like
he was just he makes you smile, he makes you laugh.
But I do think the Cowboys are kind of the
worst version. And let's face it, you know Jerry's eighty two.

(26:45):
Most shows, some of the greatest shows of all time,
usually don't end great. Usually when you get hooked is
early on, And isn't that kind of the Cowboys? Right,
especially if you're my age or a little bit older,
if you're somewhere between thirty five to fifty five, Like

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your best memories of the Cowboys are the mid nineties,
I guess if you're thirty five, probably not, but my age,
you're older, most recently would be the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys
and that hookedjib because how could it not turned into
a little dynasty some of the greatest players in the
history of the game, Jimmy Johnson, Jerry Jones, just kicking
everyone's ass. If it wouldn't have been for the forty

(27:27):
nine ers, you probably win four straight Super Bowls, maybe
Brett fav two. But this thing's ending pretty ugly, man,
it really is. And listen, I have no not anti
Brian Schottenheimer at all, but I think when you look
at the Eagles and how dynamic that franchise is of
doing everything necessary to build the team, make moves, being

(27:51):
on the forefront of trends, how are you gonna compete
with that? How are you gonna compete? If Jayden Daniels
just maintained his level of play, even if he doesn't
dramatically improve. But that is just the Jayden Daniels we
see moving forward. You're not going to you can't. And

(28:12):
I think one thing with Jerry is he's always like
a year short. Look, he had the opportunity to hire
Sean Payton, he didn't. Hell he had the opportunity last year,
could have just fired Mike McCarthy and named Dan Quinn
as head coach, but he didn't. He let him go
to Washington. That was on the table. He could have
done that, but chose not to. And that's what I

(28:33):
think he's desperately trying to force, Like I want my
guy on my staff. Sometimes that has to happen organically,
and it feels like Jerry can just never get it
right over the last ten, fifteen, twenty years, and every
time he's tried, it's kind of blown up in his
face and he gets defensive. And I would too if
I was in his shoes. But this is gonna be tough.

(28:56):
This is gonna be really really tough sledding. You know.
It's funny. I saw Aaron Glenn's quote today saying that
he will not be the defensive coordinator that he will
hire somebody and he will be the CEO of the team.
And I was thinking about this. It's funny whenever these
defensive guys get hired, they almost immediately become the CEO

(29:19):
and no longer call defense, even though the reason they
got hired was because of his defensive expertise. And I'm
not trying to hate on Aaron Glenn. He is not
alone by any means. Robert Sala, who was in those
that seat and on that dais whatever four or five
years ago, did the same thing, got hired, then immediately

(29:39):
gave up his play calling duties and became a CEO.
Yet basically every time I see an offensive head coach hired,
I saw Liam Cohen ask will you call place? Yes,
I will call place, Ben Johnson, will you call place? Yes,
I will call place. That's the reason I was hired.
I'm going to be the head coach and the offensive
play caller if these defensive guys never do it. I

(30:03):
don't have a great theory for it, but I say
it all the time, and Aaron Glenn's I would say,
probably a little more unique than solid, just given his long,
long playing career. But when I hire a coach specifically
a young guy. I'm glad all these offensive guys say, yeah,
I'm gonna call plays. That's the fucking reason they hired me.

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So I wish Aaron Glenn best of luck. He mentioned
the Aaron Rodgers situation they hope to have figured out
essentially sooner than later. I think if I was a
betting man sitting here on January twenty seventh, I would
guess that Aaron Rodgers is not gonna be on the team,
and I would guess that Aaron Rodgers is gonna have
options to play other places. And it wouldn't shock me

(30:49):
if a plays like the Raiders Aaron Rodgers, if I'm
guessing today will I think it's more unlikely that Aaron
Rode Rodgers is retired, and it's more unlikely that Travis
Kelcey is playing well. I think if a lot of
people just saying like Travis Kelsey's gonna keep playing, their
team's good and Aaron Rodgers is going to retire, I

(31:11):
think it's the opposite. I expect Travis kelce Again, I
don't have any inside information. I bet he retires, and
I bet Aaron Rodgers attempts to keep playing. Uh, you know,
I like roberts Soft. I've rooted for Robertsol for a
long time. But I think anytime that a coach finds

(31:33):
himself in a difficult spot and he just goes back
to the well, uh, you can get in some trouble
doing that. And I think Kyle Shanahan has really had
a hard time once Damiko left, and Demiko was a
pretty special hire. Obviously, Steve Wilkes just didn't vibe for

(31:55):
whatever reason with Fred Warner and Nick Bosa. This year
with Sorenston was just a disaster. It didn't go well
and it wasn't all his fault, and the forty nine
ers got lucky that, you know, Robert Sala just didn't
really have any other options, and they're paying them a
lot of money and they're just getting the band back together.
But sometimes when and it's different, like they didn't break up.

(32:17):
It's not like he fired him, he got another job.
But there's I would say, usually a reason, like ex
girlfriends or ex boyfriends. They get back together and it's
just a little different. Even if early on you're like, God,
this sparks are flaming again. So I'm rooting for this
to work. But I don't know. I just don't think

(32:39):
it's as plug and play. And we see this sometimes
with coaches. You know, Belichick always does this with his guys,
brings guys back. I just think there's a lot of
risk involved, and you know this time around. You know,
before Robert Sala was a different man. He didn't have
millions upon millions of dollars in the bank. Kyle Shanahan

(33:00):
could tell him to jump and he'd say how high. Well,
if I'm Robert saalaz like, I'm not gonna get yelled
at all the time by you, Kyle. I'm not going
to just get in these contentious arguments over philosophical disagreements,
which are natural in football. But before it's like, okay,
Kyle'll do what you want to do. Like now, Kyle,
I've got a pretty good idea of what I'm doing,
what I want to do. And I think sometimes when

(33:22):
you get people at different points in time in their career,
you might look at that person the same, but they
no longer look at you the same or their position
the same. And it's going to be fascinating to see
how that works. Because if I'm Robert Sala and obviously
him and Kyle have a good relationship, but the relationship

(33:44):
dynamics of like, I'm not just this little nobody who's
trying desperately to take the next step. Like I took
the next step and I got paid twenty thirty forty
million dollars. So like, I'm doing this because I like football.
I like coaching guys, but I don't have to be
doing this. So how you treat some of these other coaches.

(34:04):
I'm not saying he treats some bad, but like, I'm
not really feeling that today, Doug, It's gonna be fascinating
to watch. I've just everyone's jumping for joy and it's
exciting because it's I would much rather have him than
Sorenston or Steve Wilkes. But I don't know, man, I
think these situations sometimes can get a little weird. I
watch Pete Carroll and Spy Tech today. Spy Tech, very

(34:28):
very cool moment for him getting to run a team
starting you know where I started in those same seats
now on podcasts and he's an NFL GM. You could
just tell the excitement and you could tell Pete, you know,
I mean, Pete changed John Schneider's life. I mean when
Pete got that job in Seattle and hired John, and
now John's gone on to become one of the best
general managers in the league. And I think spy Tech realized, like,

(34:51):
this is a pretty unique opportunity. I get my first job,
and I get a guy that just knows what he's doing.
But when you watch Pete, his age gets thrown out
a lot, like it's very synonymous with his name. Pete
Carroll's seventy three, Pete Carroll, he's old, Pete Carroll. It's like, God,
you watch him talk. He does not talk like a
lot of seventy three year olds. His energy is I
would say, second to none in the NFL right now,

(35:14):
relative to even some of the younger coaches. So I think,
I don't know, if you're getting whatever Seattle got fourteen years,
you're not getting that. But I think if things go decent,
like you get four or five strong years out of
Pete and then just figure it out from there. And
I think the most important thing, like that's why Kyle

(35:34):
Shanahan hired Robert sal I just need to get someone
who knows what they're doing. I can't get a first
time coach. I can't get a coach. I don't know.
I just need to get a guy that knows what
he's doing and we'll figure out some of the dynamics
from there. I totally understand why I did that. And
if Robert Sahal we have a lot of success and
he goes on to become a head coach in two years,
we'll figure that problem out. Once we get there, we
will cross that bridge then. Right now, I just we

(35:57):
need to get going in the right direction. And no
team needs that more than the Raiders. Right two winning
seasons in multiple decades, it has been ugly. They've been
a laughingstock. And it's like Pete Carroll's the real deal.
And the one thing with Pete and he talked about
today and I really admired this, and they talked about, like,
why are you doing this? Pete? He was asked this

(36:17):
question multiple times. You've accomplished everything there is to accomplish
in football, National championships, super Bowls, You're gonna go to
the Hall of Fame one day, multi millionaire. And he's like,
I never got into it for any of that. I
got into it because I like doing this, Like I
like the process of trying to get to the playoffs,

(36:39):
to win a playoff game, to win a super Bowl,
and you just get this guy who's just very driven,
and I think you're gonna get the best of Pete
Carroll now, a lot like Aaron Glenn, a lot like
Liam Cohen. Your roster's your roster, and your quarterbacks your quarterback,
and unless you're able to get a massive upgrade, it's

(37:00):
just going to be very tough sledding. And it'll be
interesting to see who the quarterback is for the Raiders.
You know, Aaron Rodgers, is he Pete Carroll's type guy?
Would he go back if Russell Wilson's available? I would
never say never, at least just for a one year
to get the thing going in the right direction. Because

(37:21):
remember when Pete Carroll took over Seattle in twenty ten,
I think they set a record for most transactions in
a calendar year. I mean they were cutting, trading, signing
guys at an unprecedented rate. It was insane. And then
within a couple of years, all of a sudden, they
had Lob they had Russell Wilson, they had Doug Baldwin.
They's had a lot of good players, and they trade

(37:42):
for Marshawn Lynch and Boom. They're just legit, but they
churned that roster like never seen before. And I think
the Raider, if you're a Raider fan, you should just
be kind of proud, like we just got real people
running the organization. Okay, let's see a little thing we

(38:12):
call the Middlecoff mailbag at John Middlecoff at John Middlecoff
is the Instagram Fire in those dms, get your question
answered on the show. Just my name at my name,
fire in my Instagram dms, get your questions answered on
the show. Start with Carter, big fan and a nerd
for sports history. As a lifelong Yankee fan, it's probably

(38:34):
easier for me to be into that more than others
at my age twenty six. My question is about John Elway,
who was a former Yankee draft pick. I think when
we talk about sheer arm talent, he does not get
enough credit and is not really mentioned as much as
guys like Farv in Prime Rogers. When comparing top tier

(38:58):
arm talent guys from today, Alan Herbert Mahomes, do you
agree and if not, why? Yeah? I mean I would
put I would put Lway, I would throw Marino as well.
Just YouTube Elway, Marino mid eighties Broncos and the Miami Dolphins.

(39:19):
It's like, watch some Lway in the late to mid eighties.
Watch Dan Marino type in Dan Marino Miami Dolphins against
the forty nine Ers in the Super Bowl and I
think nineteen eighty five, and just watch his first drive.
I mean he throwed. Those guys have howitzers. Those guys
pure arm talent were as good as anyone that's ever

(39:40):
played football. Both those two guys. You know, I think
Elway was a much better athlete. But you know, just
through my work, I've met a lot of people that
have played against Marino, that played in the mid eighties
and the nineties that said Marino's arm was the best.
Obviously John had a great arm as well, So I mean, yeah,

(40:02):
these guys are all time great arm guys. For the
mail Bag last week, you said something about players playing
in the off season. You were saying that players get
paid for the regular season, then the off season is
for them to cement their legacy. Obviously they get some
compensation for their playoff games, but not to the level
that their contracts are for My question is do the

(40:26):
playoffs help determine contracts in the future, and how much
of the fact do they play Because the highest paid
player is Dak was sixty million a year and as
little to no success in the playoffs, and for him
it's a lot easier to just shit the bed every
year in the regular season every year and in the

(40:48):
regular season just collects sixty million dollars. So how much
does playoff success weigh into contract negotiations. I think it
depends who you are. You know, Dak his negotiating power
was just like I'm good, right, and this is the
going rate. I think a guy like Brock Purdy is

(41:09):
gonna use success in the playoffs wins and losses. I
think it's more. I mean, you do get paid, Like,
if you're a player that I can win ten to
twelve games with, you're gonna get paid a lot of
money whether we like it or not. Like you are
going to get paid a lot of money. And it's

(41:30):
just you know, the playoffs once you're Patrick mahomes Wright,
Chris Jones like those guys that they make that much
more than the next guy. Not really so regular season
you get paid for the regular season. Before the question,
I just want to say or my go to on

(41:51):
the NFL question, if you are the GM of the Steelers,
what steps would you take to get them back on track.
I'm so tired of the same shit every season, a
little to no changes. Obviously, defense, they gotta stay healthy,
which there's nothing you can do as a GM or
coach defense when the year starts. I mean, they clearly
always have pieces right, and their defense was really good

(42:12):
until they had some injuries and they fell apart. But
you gotta find a way to solidify the quarterback position.
And right now, I think I saw a quote from
Art Rooney that he thinks one of the two quarterbacks
are gonna come back Justin Fields or Russell Wilson. I
can't fathom bringing back Justin Fields, especially if you're like,

(42:33):
we'll bring back Justin Fields to be our starter. Why
didn't you just start him down the stretch in some
of those games when Russell was playing, Like shit, How
could you bring back Justin Fields? How does that make
any sense? I don't know. I mean, you got to
find a quarterback. You have to find a quarterback. And
you take some of these flyers on these offensive weapons,

(42:55):
some of them blow up in your face. Obviously, George
Pickens is a big time talent, your character, your competitive character.
Like look at the Chiefs. Look at how hard the
Bills aren't that talented on defense, Look how hard they play.
You watch George Pickens, You're like, this is the type
player that's on a bad team. Now they can overcome

(43:16):
them because of their infrastructure and their culture, but like
kind of bit them in the ass down the stretch.
So I think they need to value the competitive character.
They really had that in their good teams. You know,
when I was in the two thousands, when I was
in college, when I got in the league in the
twenty ten, eleven, twelve thirteen, I remember seeing him in
like fourteen fifteen Live. They just had so much competitive character.

(43:41):
It feels like they've lost that a little bit. Watching
Joe Burrow this year really cements him as an all
time great player on a crappy team. I know that
playoff success has factored in the legacy. However, it feels
like the mainstream media is lazy by chucking up everything
to that. Clearly the other great quarterbacks in the league

(44:02):
wouldn't have the Bengals primed as Super Bowl favorites. I
think sometimes we're so quick to talk, you know, Mahomes.
He's in such rare air. I mean, I mean, let's
face it, Mahomes beating them all, right, beating them all.
So Mahomes is doing things like Mahomes shouldn't be compared

(44:24):
anymore to any of these guys, right, Lamar, Josh Burrow,
especially if he wins in two weeks. He left four
super Bowls. Those guys have a combined zero. The only
thing they have in common with them is they're all rich.
But in terms of winning the big games, he's the
only guy pulling it off. But I think we're so quick, Like,
what's Lamar's legacy? What is Joe Burrow's legacy? What is

(44:50):
going to define Joe Burrow? It's the guys. He's twenty
eight years old. He just turned twenty eight years old.
So if he can stay healthy, he should have minimum
I'm gonna be conservative, like six seven good ash years
of his prime left. Let's just see how it plays out.

(45:10):
Like their team got off to a rough start. They
should be better next year. Get some draft picks they
missed the playoffs, draft a little bit higher, make some moves.
Let's just take a deep breath. Eventually, Mahomes is not
gonna win Super Bowl. Eventually that's gonna happen, or just
not even being the Super Bowl. I thought it was
gonna be this year. Clearly wrong. I just bet on

(45:31):
the odds because hell Brady, it happened to everybody. Eventually,
one of these other Cats is gonna be in that
game again. Burrow's the last one. But like, and when
that happens, can they win it? But I think we're
so quick legacy, like Joe Burrow's a stud. Joe Burrow
is a bawler. But to try to like make some

(45:57):
like I don't even know how to describe it. We're
just it's kind of the first take culture. Let's just
we got some time here. He's a badass. He was
unreal this year, unreal. His coach and his defense let
them down. But like John Elway, Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers,
like guys Peyton Manning, guys have a weird season, it happens,

(46:20):
still play well. I'm a lifelong Charger fan in Newport
Beach and have been here, have been since the San
Diego days. While our franchise has been rocky, has a
rocky reputation, I feel that we finally are ready to
contend consistently with Jim Given that we have to play

(46:42):
Mahomes and Reid twice a year, as well as the
other competition in the AFC West, where we pop like
the Lions this year or like the twenty seventeen Eagles,
seems like our only shot to win a title. What
do you think the best course of action for the
Chargers this offseason would be to obtain a where that
is a possibility. Obviously our defense was great last year,

(47:04):
but they lacked a great pass rusher down the stretch.
With Mac and Bosa getting older and a weak free
agency in draft D line class, it seems unlikely that
they filled that hole. I think the one thing with
Harball is because he puts such an emphasis on who
his defensive coordinator is, he's always been able to manipulate

(47:24):
the defense. Obviously, when he has great players, he dominates.
But even this year, like Khalil was old, Bosa was
in an out of lineup Derwin. You know, you could
blame Brandon Saley, but it felt like is Derwin still
a top bend player? And then it was like, God,
this team's really really good on defense. It is an
offensive league. Obviously, you got to play defense to win

(47:44):
the playoffs. We know that it's problem with the Bills,
like they got to get better on defense. You know,
look at the Eagles, I mean they had the best
defense in the league. Look at the Chiefs. Now how
good they've been on defense for four or five years.
But you need your OFFENSI score points, and if Lad
mcconkey's your best weapon, you got problems. I think the

(48:05):
key to the Chargers this offseason find a tight end
or wide receiver who can be an impact play guy,
and find a running back who can just be a
bell cow. Luckily, in this draft, you're gonna be able
to draft a running back on the second day who's
going to be an immediate starter. How are you gonna
find your impact skill guy? I don't know have the

(48:27):
answer to that, but I'm interested to see what Jim does.
What do you think about the Patriots hired McDaniels as
their offensive coordinator. I thought they were trying to hire
outside the Bill tree this time around. Rabel played for
Bill but never coached with him. Curious your thoughts on
the higher and maybe what he could scheme for Drake
that's different from what he schemed for Tom that's a

(48:48):
good question. We talked about this, I think last week.
I don't think Vrabel at this point in time of
his career would hire anybody he doesn't want to hire.
But you can't tell me this hire wasn't influenced by
the Crafts twofold. They obviously really like Josh. Josh is
kind of cheap. Why because Mark Davis still paying them,

(49:09):
and I think one knock on the Crafts is like
they're kind of cheap. So like, was this craft forcing
this on Vrabel and he was just cool with it.
I think they always wanted somewhat of a mobile quarterback.
You know, their plan for their Steve Young was Jimmy Garoppolo,
and Jimmy had some mobility when he was younger, so

(49:31):
I think they aspired to get that now. You know,
can he use Drake, who's much more of a hybrid player.
I don't know. I'm sure they will. One major problem
with the Patriots is like their skill guys suck, so
they need skill guys. They need skill guys, but their
offensive line is just horrid, terrific. I mean, he'd get

(49:55):
you killed, literally, I mean it did. Kobe got hurt,
Drake May was getting kick ot. You've got to improve
the offensive line, which I would imagine Braman will do immediately.
A question for the back With the Bears now hiring
Johnson and Dennis Allen to pretty large contracts, especially Ben Johnson,
do you think the mccaskeys are finally realizing to be
successful in the league you have to have elite coaching

(50:19):
and can't be cheap. Do you think this could be
the turning point in the organization on how much money
we spend if Ben is successful as a head coach.
I think the Charger. I think a lot of teams
like the Bears, who are owned by second and third
generation family members who were taught by their parents who

(50:41):
obviously grew up wealthy but weren't billionaires. And so you're
a billionaire now, but you're in the mindset of being
a guy that was you were never guaranteed to make
a profit. So the mccaskeys, who were the Hollis family
when they bought the team, there was no guaranteed to
make a profit for a large percentage of the history

(51:01):
of the NFL. When Jerry Jones bought into the Cowboys.
The financial situation of the league is dramatically different now,
but it doesn't take away from your mindset of when
you made the purchase and your core values. As kind
of a businessman, I say this all the time about coaches.

(51:24):
Your core values as a coach don't really change. They're
cemented when you're very, very young. Kyle Shanahan's core values
as a coach, running the football in defense were cemented
by his father when he was a teenager. Andy Reid
has loved passing the ball since he played at BYU

(51:45):
in the early to mid eighties, and that was their
philosophy way ahead of the curve. What does Pete Carroll
like to do? Run the ball and play defense. Pete
Carroll's not going to be a guy like Dan Campbell
and Dan Quinn going for it all the time. Brian Schottenheimer,
anyone my age yor older knows like Marty Schottenheimer was

(52:06):
very very old school. Well, who are Brian Schottenheimer's idols?
His father? And like Pete Carroll, I know what the
Cowboys are gonna try to do. They're gonna try to
be good on defense and run the football. They're not
gonna have some up tempo passing game. It's not what
he's known for that's not his core philosophy as a guy.
And I think some of these teams, like, it's hard

(52:28):
for the Bengals. It was hard for the Chiefs before
Andy Reid, and even with Andy Reid, it's hard for
the Bears because organizationally, their core soul ethos is trying
to pinch every penny because that was bred and beaten
into them from how they came up in the business.
Despite now it's like, you can't lose money paying a

(52:48):
coach ten twelve million dollars a year. I think the
league gave a presentation, was it last year or two
years ago at one of the owners meetings, and Roger
was like, do you guys know that you're paying fired
coaches and fired personnel people a total of eight hundred
million dollars. Guess what, These guys have never been richer.

(53:10):
So I think the faster you can shift your mindset.
And I think it's it's something we all do, and
you either are good at it, slow at it, or
you're never going to be good at it. You gotta
look at money like widgets and become numb to it. Now,
that doesn't mean just throw money around and waste it
and put yourself in precarious situations. But the faster you

(53:33):
can look at whatever money you're making, and especially as
you get older, if you make more money, become less
emotionally tied to it. I think a lot of people
get emotionally tied to money, and I've saw it growing up,
and I think it really limits your ability to make
more and to the easiest way to make more is
to not worry as much about it. That's my personal philosophy,

(53:56):
and I think so many people that struggle with money,
they get so emotion only tied to it. It's like, guys,
it's just a fucking piece of paper that there's no
country in the world that's easier to make it. And
if you're in the NFL, you've never made more. But
if you worry the difference between when I saw that,
he was uncomfortable, so he's uncomfortable. Like you can pay
a guy seven eight million dollars, but you're uncomfortable paying

(54:16):
a guy thirteen million dollars. So you're the difference of
five million dollars a year when you're getting four hundred
and fifty million dollars from the league on television alone
and five million dollars makes you uncomfortable, Well, five million
dollars of one hundred million dollars is five percent. So
you're talking like one percent of your television revenue is

(54:40):
making you uncomfortable. How are you going to be successful
when that's the case, Like, think about the numbers we're
talking now. If it's fifty percent of your revenue, totally understand, Like,
this is a big risk. You're talking tiny amounts of money.
This is for the mailbag. I'm personally tired of talking
heads glazing Kyle Shanahan in his offense, I had under

(55:02):
performance in every Super Bowl except the Falcons won and
they blow a twenty eight to three because he was
unable to have good clock management. I will defend Kyle here.
He's not in charge of clock management as a coordinator.
That Super Bowl's on Dan Quinn. He's the head coach.
So if you want him to run it, you tell
him in the headset run the ball. If you want
him to pass it, you can tell him to pass it.

(55:24):
Kyle shanan has won a lot of playoff games, a
lot of playoff games. If he hadn't, you wouldn't be
able to glaze him. He was bad. This year, but
over the course of his career, like, he's been to
four conference championship games because he rattled off a lot
of wins to get there. So I listen, I can
be critical of Kyle, but he's won big games in

(55:45):
the biggest moments, and if you do that, like you
get a little more leeway. Uh, let's face it. This
from Axel, There's only two guys that can beat Andy
and Mahomes. One of them works for Fox and his
owner of the Raiders, and the other plays for an
incompetent coach and organization. I think he means Brady and

(56:06):
Joe Burrow. The Bengals should have cleaned house this year
even if they didn't get Rabel. Who do you get
good chance? You land Pete Carroll and get a competent
GM and then you're consistently in the playoffs. We're being
robbed of Burrow versus Mahomes. I don't think Mahomes and
Allen are rivalry when in the playoffs Allen is zero
for four. Allen is great, don't get me wrong. But
Burrow and Mahomes is the rivalry. But Burrow is on

(56:30):
one of the worst ran NFL teams in the League.
I don't know. I would say this. Buffalo and them
have played in some great games. I mean that was
riveting TV. They have played in two of the better
playoff games in recent memory. Buffalo and Josh Allen has
played them just in spectacular fashion. The only people that
have played them well the Bengals beat him, the Bills,

(56:55):
and then the Eagles and the forty nine Ers. In
the Super Bowl. We saw the Ravens. They crumbled like
a cookie. The Texans try their special teams were a joke.
So I just think that I agree. I mean, part
of a rivalry is has to go back and forth.
There has to be some ebb and flow to this.

(57:17):
But I think they've played Hi pretty well, man, I
really do. I was impressed yesterday. I think Andy and
Spags would tell you that, like that was a tough
ass game. Native Arizonian and Cardinals fan, do you think

(57:43):
Cliff Kingsbury's success with the Commanders is an indictment of Kyler.
Murray de Hop and Hollywood Brown are now about to
go to the Super Bowl with the Chiefs, who were
his top two wide receivers during the Kingsbury era. I
feel like Gannon is a good coach, but Kyler just
can't seem to win enough. What are your thoughts on
Kyler and what do you think the Cardinals could get

(58:04):
for him in trade? Well, I think we kind of
saw it with Kyler this year. Immense talent, roller coaster
player and just I mean, he's never gonna be one
of the top guys in the league, and I think
it's going to be difficult for him to be a
top ten quarterback. But he's so talented at least you know,
in the prime of his career athletically, he's never going

(58:27):
to be a bottom ten guy. So he always kind
of floats somewhere between like eleven to twenty. And you
watch on given weeks, like he can beat people with
just incredible halves, right, he can make multiple plays, score touchdowns,
make great throws, make plays with his legs, and then
he can do incredibly dumb things. Hard to totally judge

(58:47):
them this year. Their talent's not great, but I think
he kind of just established what he is. A really
talented player, not someone you can build around as a
franchise quarterback, but you could do way worse, and you're
kind of stuck with him. Keep holding up the team
I think you'd get a couple second round picks for him.
I would not trade for him. I mean I would

(59:08):
trade for him if he costs nothing, but I would
have a hard time trading for him if they were like,
we need your first round pick. Click, It's no for me, Doug.
I appreciate this. My name is James. This is my
wife's Instagram. Not really an insta guy. I appreciate the
perspective you share and wanted to underscore a recurring theme

(59:28):
on the pod. I'm a leader at a management consulting
firm and manage various projects teams. One of my teams
wasn't taking their work to the next level. They were
phoning it in a talented and intelligent group, but just
weren't owning their craft. It was one of those situations
where I thought there was a gap between what they

(59:49):
deem as good and what it takes to be good.
I used one of your stories about Andy Reid to
help illustrate my point about his intrinsic curiosity and genuine
interest in football. This was a very relatable and helpful.
This was very relatable and helpful and underscores what you say.
So what's intrinsically motivating to you appreciate the note, and

(01:00:11):
I think most coaches are that way. I watched some
of the Liam Cohen press conference today. One he's a
goofy looking bastard. I mean he really is. He's a
different cat. Clearly smart guy had some success with Baker,
But you talk about and I've defended him, like someone's

(01:00:31):
offering you eleven twelve million dollars and you know they
expect you to stay loyal for a third of that,
like welcome to the real world. And I'm a big
Jason white guy and I don't know. I haven't asked
him his take on this whole thing, but like I
do get leaving for the job. But just watching him,
it's like, yeah, I can see more people think he

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kind of comes off as a BS artist. You gotta
be careful about press conferences. I'm not going to make
any like grand proclamations on like he's gonna suck or
he's not gonna pull this off, because the press conferences
you never know. But it was just a little weird.
I mean it was just I watched probably ten minutes
of it. There's some viral clips going as well. I

(01:01:15):
just red flag might be strong, but let's just say
that I'm probably on the fence. Like if it was
an IPO for a stock, I don't know if I'd
purchase again, funky looking cat. My question is, do you
think that Saquon could have been in the goat conversation
if he had been with the Eagles his entire career

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since he was a rookie. And why isn't Steve the
Chiefs DC getting any coaching interviews. I know Mahomes and
Reid are basically one of the best ever, but Steve
has been doing a great job. Uh well, think about this.
Who are the best ever running backs? Most people say
Jim Brown, I just say yeah, never saw him play,

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obviously one of the greatest players of all time. Walter Payton,
I think universally agreed upon. Barry Sanders, one of the
greatest players. EMMITTT. Smith. I think most people would say
it's probably not as good as those guys, but played
behind one of the best offensive line and was one
of the most productive. Fantastic player Adrian Peterson, Derrick Henry Ladanian, Tomlinson.

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Then they're the hybrid guys. You know, LT and Marshall
Falk were these guys that gets you, like seventy eighty
ninety catches. And then there was Adrian Peterson who was
just like, I'm a running back. I don't even I
always thought it was weird. Adrian Peterson was not good
in past protection. It's like, motherfucker, you huge, you should
destroy linebackers, but just wasn't his cup of tea. Catching

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was not his cup of tea. You hand him that
ball and just let him rip. And there's somewhat of
an element to Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry feels like a
much more likable guy than Adrian Peters. I guess I
think I would rather both in their prime. I take
Derrick Henry just feels like I'd rather be around Derrick Henry.
I would say, Saquan, you don't go two overall in

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the draft if you aren't just a complete freak show
at running back. You know, people forget like Zeke obviously
has not been good for a while. He was unreal
when he was young. And Zeke, unlike Adrian Peterson, elite
and pass pro and could catch the ball, was a
all the round back. Say, Kawan's got solid hands, but

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he's not McCaffrey or Marshall fall Corelt. But he is
such a great running back. His you know that touchdown
run in the NFC Championship game. I don't think the
two dbs quite realized. This guy's like a bowling ball
in his contact balance. To do a three sixty at
full speed as you're getting hit and not even remotely

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come close to falling down, I think it's almost underrated
how insane that is. We obviously talk a lot about
that play where he jumped over the dude backwards. That
play yesterday where he's just getting hit and kind of
spinning around as he's getting hit and doesn't even break
stride is a remarkable display of athleticism. But like Adrian

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Peterson and Derrick Henry high end speed, if he gets
in the open field, he's gone. So he's just the
ultimate home run hitter who is just a great between
the tackles running back. So he could have been a
Hall of Famer for sure. I wouldn't say it's too late.
It's difficult when you just waste the first I mean,

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what year to come in the league. It's just gonna
be hard. And he's already got some tread on the
tires because he's been hurt. Is this his fifth season
or sixth season? So eighteen nineteen, twenty twenty one, twenty two,
twenty three. Yeah, he's been a league a while. I

(01:04:58):
don't know if he would have been the goat, but
but I think we would have talked about him like
a Hall of Famer for sure. I don't even know
who the goat running back is, he would be in
the discussion. I think of a guy that ran for
potentially a couple of two thousand yard seasons, a ton
of like fifteen seventeen hundred yard seasons, kind of underrated.
In twenty two he ran for thirteen hundred yards with

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the Giants. Honestly, his rookie season he ran for thirteen
hundred yards eleven touchdowns. He's a stud man and just
an all around great guy. People love that guy, Love
that guy. With Pete Carroll joined the Raiders, it's clear
the AFC West has the most impressive head coaches in
the league. How do you rank the coaches in that

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division and which team do you think can challenge the Chiefs?
Was Andy Reid? One cemented, I would I'd probably go
Jim harbought to a Sean Payton two B and Pete
Carroll three. Pete Carroll the last couple of years in Seattle,

(01:06:03):
defense was pretty shitty and he's a defensive guru. Like
it didn't go He got fired for a reason. Now,
relative to a lot of guys in the league, they
would sell their left nut to have that happen to him.
But you know, Pete, the way it ended wasn't offense
g you know on the offense was it was? His
defense was terrible, but relative to what the Raiders were

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taking over. Big Upgrade A big fan of the show.
What's the deal with All World Players? I've been watching
the NFL pretty consistently for quite a few years. All
of a sudden, it seems like the announcers and podcasters
are using the word all World to describe some players.
How did they get this title? Why did we need

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another level from all pro? The US is the only
country that plays football at this level, so the world
part seems kind of redundant. Thanks and keep doing your thing.
Shout out to the morning crew at ABC twenty seven
and Air. I know they're listening. Appreciate you boys. I
don't know, it's always been a pet peeve of me.

(01:07:07):
Whoever wins the Super Bowl, like Patrick Mahomes, you give
them the Lombardy you give you know, you make Chris
Jones the Super Bowl MVP. You get Andy Reid. We're
the world champs. And listen how he would how he
said this before World Champs. No, you're you're the You're
the NFL champs America. A couple international players, only one

(01:07:29):
I can think of. That's any good, is my lotta.
But this is not World champs. We're NFL champs. It
was American sport, no matter how much we want to
go to England, Germany eat some brats playing fucking Brazil,
some druggies and hookers walking like, let's let's be real American, NFL,

(01:07:51):
not world I hate that World champs in baseball. If
you want to say world champs here, yeh, it's world
game basketball, Kaida. I mean, it's a world game, but
it's sports played here. But if those people want to
say it way more, there's way more, I guess merit
to that statement in the NBA and in Major League Baseball,

(01:08:16):
in hockey as well than in football. It's like sake
of one. Bartley went to penn State, grew up in Pennsylvania.
Born in Brooklyn. Christian McCaffrey born in Denver, Right. Jalen
Hurts went to BAM in Oklahoma, grew up in Texas.
Lane Johnson World Champs. UH love the show that said

(01:08:39):
what the fuck happened with the officiating in today's championship games?
Two huge game changing calls, holding by Eagles on the
wide receiver Brown first down throw with little time left
in the first half, the Josh Allen fourth down sneak
clearly a first down even after the replay. I get
that the ball doesn't lie in most instances, but these
are huge moments them shifts in the game and calls

(01:09:02):
that I can't help but think are rigged. I've been
saying this forever, and listen, if it's your team or
you have money on the game, I've experienced that pain
and anguish and anger and disgust. But officiating or officials
and referees in all these sports, specifically football, college and pro,

(01:09:25):
are no different than government officials. It's the only place
where you can be consistently incompetent and keep your job. Players, coaches, podcasters.
I'd go out of business. So you see these calls
that you disagree with, I do believe, and I know
people were adamant that the above angle. I think that
Josh Allen thing was kind of close. And once they

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don't call it on the field, like, I don't have
a problem with them not overturning it. Eagles scored fifty
five points. There is no call in the Eagles game
that I'm going to let people argue about Bills. I
get that a little bit. I would say this if
I was a Bills fan, how do we keep running?
And I get it because last week it was working

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against a great run defense in Baltimore. If you are
consistently calling a play even as basic and simple, and
I mean, I would say the quarterback sneak is one
of the most basic plays in the history of football.
Right the kneel down, the quarterback sneak, the spike. The

(01:10:29):
difference is like the kneel down the spike, like it's
borderline impossible to screw up if you just get the
center quarterback exchange correct. Right the quarterback sneak, you do
need penetration and depending on your guarden center and your quarterback,
Like do you have enough strength to push their defensive
line back who's playing defensive tackle for them. It was

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not working. That play was not working. The only time
it worked is when he jumped over the line of
scrimmage and jumped over all their defensive lineman. Drew Brees
used to do that a lot. Drew Brees used to
do that on the goal line. So the moment you
crossed the line of scrimmage right the goal line, it's
a touchdown. So even if you score and they hit

(01:11:12):
the ball out, six points go on the board. Well,
in a play like that in the middle of the field,
if they hit the ball out of your hands, it's
a fumble. And he literally fumbled. But he had to
do it because he wasn't getting any penetration because he
stands up so high. You know, you hear this a
lot with coaches. Pad level, pad level, pad level. His
pad level on that quarterback sneak is pretty high and

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he's a tall guy. It's a terrible play. How do
they not run some other plays? Look at the short
yardage plays Andy Reid was running. He got Mahomes on
the run. He ran some basic flat routes. Look at
what they do with Jayden Daniels shotgun. Get him moving?
Why because the athleticism is a separating attribute yet with

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Josh Allen and listen, he's one of the stronger, more
powerful quarterbacks ever. But the play was not working, and
he just kept going back to the well, like, eventually, guys,
there's no water in this well, We're gonna have to
go to another well. And Joe Brady, I don't know
if it was lack of experience. I don't know if
he didn't feel comfortable in any other plays. I don't
know if Sean McDermott forced him to call that play.

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I don't know if it's Josh Allen demanding it. That
was a disaster. Unless there's a big drop catch in
the Super Bowl, which drop catch was bigger this playoffs
Andrews or mckayuh not mccaid, What what Dalton Dalton kincaid? Well,

(01:12:41):
they both ended the games right because neither team got
the ball back. That's a good question. I think Andrews
catch was easier. I think it's fair to say they were.
Obviously Andrews was catchable. Concaid's was catchable as well. That's

(01:13:06):
a good question. I would say you'd have to go
Buffalo because he catches that ball. I mean, who knows,
Maybe they score a touchdown. I'm trying to go back.
So it's Buffalo. Two minutes left, fourth and five, you're

(01:13:32):
down three. He catches that ball, I'd go, Buffalo. I'd
go that's a one A one B situation, you know
in the pros. Obviously, some catches are clearly much more
difficult than others, in the old adage of like you

(01:13:54):
touch it, you clutch it. Obviously, some balls that hit
you in stride are different than ones that you have
to go up and high point in traffic, and that
was one he had to layout go to his right.
But still I think he catches that. I don't know
minimum half the time. A former first round pick question
for the Mailbag lifelong depressed Bills fan. While we were

(01:14:16):
outclassed when it mattered most, why doesn't the NFL have
a chip in the ball? So many of these big
games are determined by some fifty five year old thirty
yards away from the ball trying to place the ball
from an angle they saw. Surely the richest league in
the world could put a chip in each tip of
the ball and have more of a precise system. You

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could even test the technology on the goal line. If
the chip breaks the line, the refs get an automatic
signal on their watch and it's a touchdown, similar to
the goal line technology in soccer. Yeah, I mean I can't.
You know, Belichick always butted heads with these guys over
this super super expensive league that's making all this money,
and guys would be cheap about putting certain cameras in

(01:14:59):
certain places. So I think you always battle. This gets
back to the mccaskey's some of these franchises that you know,
treat money like it's not gonna come back, and then
if we spend I mean, think about how many teams
in the NFL don't even buy the most expensive field turf.

(01:15:20):
They buy a field turf that costs half a million
dollars instead of the one that costs a million dollars.
These are billion dollar franchises. They're spending two hundred and
fifty million dollars on the employees for that turf, right
that's the players, and they go cheap. So I just
think it's hard to convince some of these people to

(01:15:40):
agree it just this and until stuff impacts you, like obviously,
if you're Buffalo, you're gonna push for that. I would
imagine the Chiefs would be cool pushing for that. I
don't know, man I, because how could anyone tell? In
the pile? No one knows how. I mean the visual
of the one official on the bottom inside the line

(01:16:02):
and the official on the top on the other side
of the white line. It's like neither of these guys
have a fucking clue. It's an educated guess. I wouldn't
get your hopes up for it, though. If you swap
Mahomes and Allan, so Mahomes is on the Bills, Alan
is on the Chiefs. What do you think their careers
look like? Does Alan have a couple more Super Bowls?

(01:16:23):
Does Mahomes have any? I would say Alan can be
a little more reckless than Patrick. You know, Patrick has
really kind of come into his own, like he played
this season even parts of the last season turned into
a Tom Brady Peyton manning, like Okay today, I'm going
to manage the game, and Josh is less likely to
do that. He's got a little more farvyan to him,

(01:16:44):
which listen, Andy likes, and Patrick used to have a
lot of that to him. He's just kind of changed
as he's gotten older. I mean, Josh still plays a lot,
he's a more accurate pastor now, but his style is
kind of his style. I think if Patrick started with
the Bills, I don't know. It's impossible to play that game.

(01:17:06):
I do think Josh Allen would have a super Bowl
if he was with Andy Reid maybe two. Would they
be five and six years and three straight? I don't
know about that. Hard to tell what Mahomes would have
been like without Andy. One, he got to sit for
a year. Think about that. He got to sit for
a year. The other thing with the Bills is like

(01:17:27):
their head coach is a defensive guy like Andy Mahomes
kind of hand in hand. You know, they work pretty
closely together. Sean McDermott is the head coach, he's not
the offensive coordinator of the play card. Well end on
that one. Appreciate everyone firing in those dms and look
forward to a big, big week of tuckets and ball.

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