3 & Out - Steelers-Texans REACTION, Coaches on 4th Down, Tony Romo STINKS at broadcasting

Former NFL scout John Middlekauff reacts following Monday's Steelers-Texans game that saw the Texans defense stop Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers offense. Despite struggling on offense, Houston takes down Pittsburgh 30-6. Next, John discusses the possibility of John Harbaugh going to the Giants, why Matt LaFleur could be headed for an extension in Green Bay, and why Tony Romo has lost a step in broadcasting.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:22):
Zone Pouches. I just witnessed the Pittsburgh Steelers get obliterated
by the Houston Texans. Oh my gosh, that was even
worse than I envisioned, and I did not envision great
things for them. So we will dive into the Steelers.
Tomlin Rogers is that it can the Texans make a run.

(00:42):
A lot of other stuff going on. John Harbaugh was
paid a visit by Chris Mora, who is John's brother,
so something to keep an eye on. Micah Parsons comes
out to defend Laflor. We had Tony Romo, who's just
getting crushed on the internet for sucking at broadcasting. And

(01:04):
this lady that told Liam Cohen, good job, have a
great offseason. You did great, keep your head up. I
do want to talk about that viral situation with Big
Jay's and just what I appreciate about that room and
what I look forward to getting out of it with
as a consumer. So that will be the show today.

(01:26):
Talking to football the Netflix. It was a little delayed
this morning. It should be should be bright and early tomorrow.
From a video standpoint, This podcast from a video standpoint,
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(01:46):
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a kid, So buckle up, let's just talk some football tonight.

(02:09):
The Pittsburgh Steelers were murdered. They were destroyed. That game
wasn't even close. I thought the last couple of years
against Josh Allen against Lamar Jackson, losing both those games
by multiple scores was a clear sign that the Chiefs
were the best team in the AFC. Then you had

(02:31):
the next tier, which were those two and in the
first round of the playoffs and back to back years
you weren't even within two touchdowns of them. And I've
been saying this for a while. Listen, coaching a lot
like relationships, you kind of know when it's over, but
a lot of times even when you know it's over,
it still lasts a little bit longer now in sports

(02:52):
for those to continue, Like you can't win four or
five games, and Mike Tomlin has made a career now
of going nine and eight or ten and seven, like
he is never gonna not be competitive. We know that
next year Aaron Rodgers retires, they could land mac Jones,
they could land Malik Willis, and I would bet on
the Steelers to be a nine or ten win team.

(03:13):
They're never gonna bottom out, even with these older players,
that they will figure it out. They're not gonna suck.
But what does that get you? Feels like it puts
a band aid on this situation that this once proud
franchise that used to compete go toe to toe with
the great Ravens teams with the great Patriot teams, even
though they couldn't really beat the Patriots in the playoffs,

(03:33):
but in terms of the regular season that they were
really really good in this last decade has been an embarrassment.
And you watched tonight that they basically tried to hold
this thing together with guys at the end of their career.
You know, a lot of people in the league got
given TJ. Watt all that money this year was crazy.
We understood he's been one of the best players on

(03:56):
your team and in the league, the best player on
your team and one of the better players in the
league over the course of his career. But he's an
aging veteran trending the wrong way, you know, trading for
Jalen Ramsey, who by the end of the year wasn't
pretting much to the table. I don't blame you for
signing Aaron Rodgers at forty two years old. You didn't
have any other options. But as I told Coward this morning,

(04:19):
if this was a Disney movie, I would have picked
Rogers and Tomlin to win the game. This is the NFL,
and that was the outcome I expected. I'd argue it
was worse, especially as the game went on, I'm like,
is he going to get injured? The one thing with
the Steelers is for a long time they were great

(04:40):
with wide receivers. They could find guys all over the draft.
They always had dues. Then this year they trade with
what I would consider one of, if not the best.
Definitely if you just factor in this year, you'd say
he's the best GM during the twenty twenty five season.
When John Schneider calls you to make a deal for
a guy going on to his third contract, that should

(05:02):
be like when Billy Bean calls you or Sam Presty
calls you. Hang up the phone. They gave dk Metcalf,
they gave a second round pick, and they gave him
one hundred and fifty million dollars. Now we'll see with
the suspension they can get out of guarantees. My guess
is they cut him this offseason. He obviously had a
horrendous drop on what should be for a high end

(05:23):
wide receiver, a play you make with your eyes closed.
But here's the problem. DK Metcalf is actually like the
poor man's version of Terrell Owens. Do you know the
knock on Trell Owens didn't have great hands, Like wasn't
Chris Carter, wasn't Marvin Harrison, but he was good enough,
and obviously from a physical standpoint, he was unstoppable once
the ball was in his hands. DK Metcalf definitely doesn't

(05:44):
have good hands because even the late drop that he had,
I don't even know if they considered it a drop
when Aaron Rodgers scrambled to his left and let that
ball fly, which god, he still throws a beautiful spiral.
At first you're like, that wasn't even close, and then
they show the slow motion version it literally split his hands.
It's like I learned a long time ago when I

(06:06):
got involved in college recruiting and then through the NFL,
guys with bad hands for good teams are complete stay
aways because you can't play the position. If you can't catch,
you could play defensive line, if you're a little bit shorter,
you could play certain positions if you lack certain physical characteristics,

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but you can't play wide receiver at the highest of level.
And when they make that trade, they expected him to
be a star, and you saw to night he just not,
you know, And I'm not even factoring in him kind
of screwing over his team forcing them to go all
in in that Ravens game where clearly they got lucky
to win with the missfield goal, where if he plays

(06:47):
against the Cleveland Browns, they win the game, but he's
not available, And I just think I'm not putting all
this blame on Mike Tomlin. Only people in the building
know his pull and power when it comes to players,
clearly he has some, if not a lot. But this
team is extremely poorly built. I mean they really are,

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and relative to the other teams, when you factor in
how dependent they are on this aging legend, they got
no shot. But here was the thing with the Steelers
when they were really, really good, which is most of
my life, definitely in the early throughout the two thousands,
and then for five six years in the twenty tens,

(07:31):
they had dominant defenses. Their front was unblockable. Their linebacker
play wasn't just fast, it was physical, and they had
dbs up the wazoo. You watch him the night, you know,
the underrated part of the night because Aaron Rodgers takes
so much oxygen, you know in the conversation and listen,
it's a star quarterback league. They get discussed the most.

(07:53):
They're like Hollywood actors or you know, star singers or
rappers or whatever. They are the headliners. But like you know,
the headline of the Steelers defense stinks. Wasn't good last
week against the Ravens when they were blowing coverages left
and right to say Flowers and Lamar Jackson, and it
definitely wasn't good. Tonight if it wasn't for one of

(08:17):
the more bizarre quarterback performances you will ever see out
of CJ. Stroud. And we'll get into him here in
a little bit. That defense was shredded, and that was
for about half the game without easily their best offensive player,
Nico Collins, who got absolutely KOed by the ground. And
I think, big picture, when it comes to the Texans,

(08:37):
it's gonna be a short turnaround for him to clear
concussion protocol. I think it's pretty fair game to assume
that he will not be available this upcoming weekend. Now
because of the way their team is built, as long
as their quarterback doesn't turn it over, they should be
in every game. You know why. Their defense is awesome.
Their defense looks like what the Ravens and Steelers used

(08:59):
to look like. But here's the thing. The Ravens proved that,
like you know what, eventually we just got to pull
the plug and try something new. And a lot of
people will argue as like, you know this, this could
be a lot worse, But could this be better? Could
we actually be better off with someone else? I look today,

(09:21):
because sometimes he's been there for so long, you think
you know, John Harbaugh's sixty three, sixty four years old,
Mike Tomblin's fifty three years old. He liked John Harbaugh.
If he became available, would be the apple of all
these teams. I and obviously Mike would only work for
credible franchises. There are some available operations that he would

(09:46):
not even be interested in. But if he is available,
and Schefter reported this a month ago that like, listen,
they're not going to fire him, but they would be
open to trading him. And then there were some other
rumors like he would be open to television if I'm
Mike Tomlin and listen, it's hard like he's prideful. I've
been fired in the NFL. It happens literally to everybody.

(10:09):
Belichick's been fired, Andy Reid's been fired, you name it.
They have been canted. It's part of the business. It's
very unique that way. You can work twenty hours a day,
fifty two weeks a year. You can grind. You could
be the first one there, the last one out of
the building, give all your effort, pour everything you have
into the operation, and you lose, you get canned. That's

(10:30):
part of the gig. And somehow with his Pittsburgh and listen.
He deserves credit because they never lose, but they're going
nowhere fast. So I just wonder, if you're him, why
do you want to keep doing this, especially now when
you're looking at this team with all these older players,
with this financial cap situation that isn't great. With your

(10:51):
best wide receiver is not a dependable human. You have
no quarterback, and it's not like you're drafting in the
top five to acquire one of the top couple guys,
assuming that another quarterback comes out as well as Fernando Mendoza.
That the future looks pretty dark. It looks pretty bleak.
And while they've had some pretty embarrassing games over the

(11:11):
last couple of years, you could argue this one might
take the cake. Thirty to six at home to a
quarterback in the first half that fumbled four times. He
gave you two of them. He also threw an interception
that hit your dB in the numbers like they gave

(11:31):
you three turnovers. It was playing out like a classic, like, oh,
just weird stuff happening, and this you know, it was
at one point in time of seven to three, seven
to six, like go, this is a weird game until
it wasn't and they could only hold the rope for
so long until that thing broke. Because their team stinks.
That has to be one of the worst headed seven

(11:54):
teams you'll ever see. They have no chance of doing
anything in the playoffs. None like the Packers, for example,
they went nine seven and one. You wouldn't even compare
those two teams to each other. The Packers were a
real playoff team who could win a playoff game. The
Steelers were not. I believe that they would lose to
all other six opponents. I also believe if they played

(12:16):
the Ravens ten times with the team the Ravens rolled
out with Lamar Jackson on that Sunday, they lose most
of those. And if the Ravens, who Steve Bushatti has
entered the chat of being, you know, running an operation
like the Miami Heat, like the Pittsburgh Steelers, like the
Green Bay Packers, like the LA Dodgers or the New

(12:37):
York Yankees. They are one of the organizations that you
would say is cream of the crop, well run, stable,
has unlimited resources, will do whatever it takes manufacturing the
Nausi's there and they're like, we gotta hear you're just done, John,
not because we think you're some bumb but it's time
to change. Why can't the Steelers do that? And I'm

(12:57):
done saying they should because I don't expect them to
do so, I'll say this, if you're Mike tomin like,
get out now, man, like ask for a trade. Sean
Payton saw the riding on the wall and he just quit.
He said, peace deuces. Huh, I'm just gonna retire. He
didn't retire, He just wanted out of there, but he
couldn't really force a trade. Probably felt a little bad.

(13:18):
Mickey Loomis was his boy, so he's quit for a year.
He always wanted to come right back. What did you do?
He immediately jumped back in and they essentially had to
trade for him. So Mike Toalman could do something like that,
or he could just be like, Hey, that Atlanta job
is pretty interesting. I wouldn't mind moving my family to Miami. Like, hey,
the Giants. If John Harbor doesn't come there, I'm interested.

(13:40):
I see you got a lot of pieces. Your division
doesn't look that difficult, especially after watching the Eagles the
other night. Hey give me a bus. It just makes
sense all things you know in life literally come to
an end. Right. There are two guarantees in life, taxes
and death. And in the NFL, most people tell you
get fired. Most players tell you like most guys get cut.

(14:02):
The overwhelming percentage of players and their career through a release.
I'm talking Hall of Fame players. There's a small percentage
of guys that just like retire on their own. That's
not usually the way it works. And same thing with coaches.
So I think this thing has come to a screeching halt.
Tonight was really really ugly. They have had some really

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New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. One thing that I read
in The Athletic did a big, like a deep dive
into the Baltimore Ravens situation like the last the Sunday
Monday Tuesday of the John Harbaugh kind of exit. And

(16:38):
one theme in there is the owner started noticing that
the crowds weren't as good and they had just lost
some internal momentum with their own fan base, and obviously
in sports, same thing with the business. I'm in. The
worst place you can ever be is the people that
watch you, the people that are fans of your team,
they become apathetic. Once apathy he sinks in it, and

(17:01):
they don't care. I had a wise man tell me
one time, when it comes to dating advice is listen,
if she hates you, that ain't the worst thing, because
she's thinking about you. Obviously, the best case is she
loves you. But the moment she stops thinking about you,
it's a rap. And that's what it kind of feels like.
The Steeler fans have kind of come to grips with

(17:23):
It's like this same old song and dance over and
over and over. Yeah, we're not the Arizona Cardinals, right,
We're not the Tennessee Titans. We're never gonna bottom out
and be some laughing stock like the New York Jets.
But this also isn't really fun. And Mike Tomlin has
to know that he's been around football his entire life,
and I understand being the coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers

(17:45):
comes with great prestige. Right, It's a real big job
in this country. The NFL is one of our biggest
businesses in America, and he's the head coach of one
of its most important franchises. So it's easy for me
to say, like, hey, just go to the Atlanta Falcons.
Like it's a little different animal. You know, it's like
coaching the SEC or coaching in the Big twelve. You know,

(18:06):
it's like some things come with a little more credibility.
But I think they're at the point now that if
you're Mike Tomlin, you got to ask yourself, like maybe
you go to them and go it's time. Well let's
just go our separate ways. Cause I'll be fine. I'm
fifty three years old. If I took a year off
on TV. His stock would skyrocket that they just announced

(18:29):
al Michaels is coming back to Amazon, which love al
Michael's absolute living legend. I wouldn't say he's actually, you know,
still throwing ninety eight. You know, he reminds me of
Tim Linskin first came on the scene ninety seven, ninety
eight winning Cy Young's by the end, it's going about
eighty miles an hour. But you put Mike Tomlin with them,
you know Herbstreet's done a commendable job. He's tried. He's

(18:51):
not an NFL guy. You put tom in that situation.
A couple of years ago, they wanted Sean McVay get
a big personality. He'd have every job opening in America
lined up for him if he doesn't like, you know,
any of the options this year. But this Pittsburgh thing
is just clearly over. And when it comes to the quarterback,
clearly they thought at the end of the game that

(19:11):
this is Aaron Rodgers last game. He's told people that,
you know, I think he's been saying this. Did he
believed this would probably be his last season. Watching that
game and watching him get the living you know what
kicked out of him. He started asking himself, like, what
are you doing this for? What do you have to prove?
You got the MVPs, You've won the Super Bowl. You're

(19:31):
clearly one of the great players in the history of
the league. I know sometimes it ends a little poorly.
The Jets thing was such a joke. People forget. I
saw him live in the peak of his career countless times.
He is as good as it gets, you know, and listen.
I think you could almost say he underachieved in a
weird way because he probably should have gone to more

(19:52):
Super Bowls. I mean, hell, he went to countless championship
games and the famous one in Seattle where they had
the big lead and they blew it. That definitely was
there to get I thought their team when they lost
to Tampa in twenty twenty should have won the Super Bowl.
Other than they were the best team in the league.
So they're probably a couple teams, but that probably Peyton
Manning probably tell you about a couple of teams that
he had that you know, should have hoisted the Lombardi

(20:14):
and they didn't even make it to the Super Bowl.
So it comes to the territory. It's pro sports. It's hard,
but I think if you're him and you're getting Pepper
tonight by Will Anderson and daneil Hunter, who looked like
Lawrence Taylor meets Reggie White. He started asking yourself, well,
I'm not doing this for the money, because I played
this season for ten million dollars. I've accumulated hundreds of those,

(20:35):
so like, I don't need the money. Clearly, you know,
for the first time in several years, he definitely flew
a little under the radar. I saw someone tweeting the
most fascinating part of Aaron Rodgers is he's easily the
most famous human, especially in this country, that wears a
wedding ring that we have no clue who his wife is.

(20:57):
I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt that Jig exists,
but we don't know. And he's a complex individual. I mean,
I tried to watch the Netflix documentary about ayahuasca. My
wife made me turn it off about halfway through episode two.
But I stand by. As a player, it didn't get

(21:18):
any better than him in his prime. I grew up
on Brett Favre and by the time he had his stride,
he owned my favorite team, the forty nine ers. Marty
Morningwig told me once when I worked for the Eagles,
and I think Andy reiterated this in his prime ninety five,
ninety six, ninety seven when he won three straight MVPs.
You'd be hard pressed to ever find a player in

(21:39):
NFL history who was better than him in those moments
for those that three year stretch. And they upgraded a
quarterback when they when Aaron Rodgers, you know, hit his
stride for a decade. That's how good Aaron Rodgers was.
And historically, I think most people would argue that if
you were just ranking quarterbacks, right, Brady Montana, Mahomes, Marino,

(22:02):
l Way, whatever, most people putting Rodgers above far So
I would I think if you were taking both guys
in their prime, I think Rogers was better. And that's
I think Farv is remarkable. And we're talking about guys
somewhere between like four and six. That's how good the
Packers have had it for back to back years. Josie
Jordan Love I said forever, I was very lucky, Like

(22:24):
when I was in high school, Steve Young got KOed
and I just got Jeff Garcia for like four or
five years and he was going to Pro Bowls. Now
he's not Steve Young or Joe Montana, but you just
get you just go from a legend to a pro bowler.
Did you know how lucky you are? Do you know
what the Cleveland Browns would do just for like the
fifteenth best quarterback in the NFL. You know what the

(22:46):
Arizona Cardinals would do just for like a ten year starter?
You know what most I don't think the Chancy Chiefs
had ever drafted a Pro Bowl quarterback before Patrick Mahomes.
So it's very, very difficult to do. And that's you know,
the Steeler found this guy from Miami of Ohio who
became a superstar and a dominant Hall of Fame player,

(23:06):
and they haven't been the same since he left. And
Aaron did a I thought admirable job. You have to
respect a guy playing through like Justin. Herbert's trying to
prove himself, right, people, everyone's ripping him today, can't win
a playoff game this year, breaks his arm or you know,
hand or wrist, just like Aaron Rodgers and just battles

(23:27):
through it. Why He's trying to prove to his own coach,
to his own organization, Prove he's worth the money, Prove
he can win a playoff game. Aaron Rodgers has nothing
to prove, absolutely nothing, and he was out there getting
the shit kicked out of him with the you know
cast on his left hand for the last couple of months.
Without him that they would have no shot. So you know, listen,

(23:50):
this is usually how it ends. Like. I wasn't alive
when Willie Mays finished his career for the Mets. Like
a lot of these guys. Emmitt Smith played for the
Arizona Card. A lot of legendary Hall of Fame players
don't go off on the podium with the Lombardi Trophy
in their hand, like John Elway. Peyton Manning won a
Super Bowl as last year struggled to make you know,

(24:13):
a twenty yard out route throw Tom Brady is last year,
didn't this team go eight to nine and get boat
raced by the Cowboys in the playoffs. I think Dak
Prescott through five touchdowns in that game and Brady got
the crap kicked out of him there. It's like, what
are you doing this for? Brady's like I love football.
Rogers clearly loves football, but he can't move like he
once could. He'll be able to throw the ball. I've

(24:35):
said this forever about Dan Marino. I bet if you
just get through Dan a ball and probably a little
red man in his mouth, get him looped up, he
could still rip a thirty yard strike like he could
twenty years ago. Aaron Rodgers gonna be able to throw
a bullet when he's sixty five years old. But he
can't move anymore. And you're a human being, you don't

(24:56):
really want to get hit anymore, so you're much more
or you're much less likely to stay in there for
that extra quarter half second. Brady was clearly like that,
which I totally understand if I was in my mid forties.
Kids like Brady married like Rogers, like I'm not letting
Will Anderson, who the Texans are about to give one

(25:16):
hundred and fifty million dollars hit me in my sternum
and put me in a hospital tonight, Like I have
no desire to do that, but to play quarterback at
the highest level't those thoughts can't even cross your mind.
And that's why you watch these guys in the prime
of their career, Josh Allen mahomes Lamar, they're just playing.

(25:38):
And forever for Rogers, he was just playing. And like
those guys. He was better than everybody, and his just
playing was borderline unstoppable, and the Packers actually let him
down several years with bad defenses. He's got to be
watching now they get Jeff Haffley, Like, if you ever
had a defense like they've had the last couple of years.
They probably have multiple other Super Bowl appearances, especially in

(25:59):
some of the years, and they had just awesome offenses.
But I think it's fair to say it's over. And
I think the NFL's very been very good at this,
not that they control any of it, but they've always
had a wave of guys leave and then new guys
come in. And you know, the Rogers, Brady Manning, Rivers,

(26:24):
Eli Roethlisberger, those guys all phased out and Mahomes, Josh Lamar,
Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert. You know, a lot of these
guys just showed up and they've carried the mantle. And
obviously the NFL has never been more popular and the
offense has never been easier to play. But you know,

(26:45):
if Aaron Rodgers in the prime of his career could
have played with some of these rules, it wouldn't have
been a fair fight. And I sound like get off
my lawn, old guy. But it's just a fact. Like
watch some Michael Jordan highlights. They could tackle you in
the mid nineties. Guy never fucking missed a jump shot.
And I think Aaron Rodgers just can't move like he
wants good, So he's kind of a sitting duck. But

(27:07):
his understanding of the game, knowing like their team just
had no chance, kind of sad the way he's going out,
But it's just like I said, it's usually the way
it happens. Other than that on this game. Obviously, the
Houston Texans advance. They let me, let me pull up
the schedule here because we have a divisional round and

(27:27):
they will play the New England Patriots on Sunday afternoon,
so hopefully i'm my baby is born, I'm home, hopefully
home Saturday, so I can watch those games, especially the
night or Seattle game. She already bought him like a
little Niner onesie, so hopefully we were back for that.
But you know, it's out of my hands. As the
pediatrician told me, you gotta just take your hands off

(27:48):
the steering wheel and just let them guide you. So
the the we're keeping our fingers crossed. But if we can't,
just hopefully I'll see you guys on Sunday, and that
would be Houston at New England, which Houston's defense can
win a Super Bowl. There is not a front like
that playing right now in the league. Seattle's front is

(28:09):
pretty good. It ain't that they don't have Daneel Hunter
and Will Anderson's that's it. I actually and for those
of you that are watching on Netflix, which probably some
of you guys have also listened to the podcast. When
John Schneider came on, I remember a couple games they
played Seattle relatively early in the year, and I remember
texting him about Houston. He's like, bro, their defense, that

(28:33):
the team speed and physicality they have, and he started
listing the names of their linebackers and secondary He wasn't
even talking about their front. And Will Anderson is just
he's someone you build a franchise around. And he's not
even as good as Danel Hunter and they have multiple corners.
I don't even know what could position you'd consider Peatree

(28:56):
playing like do it all. I was telling my wife tonight,
it's like he's kind of like Hufunga but better in
the open field. But in terms of physicality. Playing downhill,
they will knock the crap out of you. The question
with them is their offense and specifically the quarterback, because
cj just pure talent. He can make individual plays. We're like, God,

(29:16):
that's beautiful, that's a great throw. And then he can
make plays like is that the worst play I saw
all weekend? He had four fumbles in the first half. Now,
granted they picked a couple of them up, he also
lost two and the interception was horrendous. And I think
part of the problem for the Texans is they are
built to have a guy like Brad Johnson or Trent

(29:39):
Dilfer or even like this version that the forty nine
ers had a Mac Jones. It's like, I know my role,
tell me what to do. You know the problem for CJS.
He goes, I'm the second overall pick, I'm a player.
I can make plays. And he's not totally wrong. He
has a skill set to make plays. But this team
does not need a playmaker because sometimes when you're making

(30:00):
plays help mahomes lamar Josh, all these bad things happen,
and we cannot afford with the way we're built. We
don't need to give them the ball. We don't need
to give them any possession because our defense when the
possessions they have, will dominate them. Just run the offense,
be careful with the ball. Worst case scenario, throw it away,

(30:22):
take a sack. Bro like there were times to night
where it felt like he was playing on a team
that needed a guy to score four touchdowns on his own.
It's like, CJ, that is not this game. And you
look across and Demiko, I mean, the guy was born
to be a coach. Even at halftime he was like
positive about CJ strategy, like, Yeah, we just need to
hold on to the ball a little better, hold on

(30:42):
the ball a little better. To drop the ball four times.
One of them was a bad snap, but the other
two they were very preventable. Now, you could also argue
calling a flea flicker in the first half. I don't
pretend to be some former offensive coordinator or some schematic genius,

(31:02):
but part of a flea flicker typically is a little
later in the game. So everyone bites on the run,
you know, because you've been running it throughout the game.
You don't just need the DBS to bite, you need
the defensive line to respect it. Well. The defensive line
didn't respect it at all, and CJ just gets obliterated.
So you could put that one on the offensive coordinator

(31:24):
more than the quarterback. But holy moly, CJ was trying
to hand the Steelers the game and this goes back.
They're so bad. He could have given them three more turnovers,
it wouldn't have mattered. The Steelers had two. I think
they had two conversions on third down all night long.
They were like two to thirteen or two of fourteen.
They're horrendous. So I just think the question mark now

(31:47):
with the Houston Texans is the quarterback and him going
on the road to New England. Listen, I just don't
trust him. And now Nico Collins is surely out, But
the defense alone can win them the game. And I
just wouldn't bet against this Houston Texas team. So on
initial thought, that is going to be a very very
difficult matchup for Drake May. Chargers defense is good. This

(32:11):
defense right now is elite and they literally will hurt you.
So if New England wins that game, they could win
the whole thing. But I think Houston's defense alone, if
CJ and the offense can just give them, I don't know.
Ten points and maybe they can account for another touchdown
and they get to like fifteen seventeen points range. I
think they can win the game. Hell, you just saw

(32:33):
for most of the game yesterday, it's not like New
England was scoring. So I think I like Houston in
that game. Now, big picture, could they make a Super
Bowl run? Hard to say that with the play that
we just saw out of the quarterback, because he just
makes too many poor plays. Even there was one where
he like stepped up in the pocket. It was beautiful.

(32:55):
He kind of scrambled around then stepped up. Nico Collins
was running all by himself and CJ's not This isn't
Caleb Williams where he's throwing one hundred miles an hour
all the time. Like in theory, touch should be a
huge part of his game. All you gonna do is
just like that. That should be a throw that CJ.
Stroud the player makes ninety percent of the time. And

(33:16):
I don't know if Kevin Garnett could have caught that ball.
So that that's what would make me concerned about the
Texans because from a from the well, they're well coached.
I mean, Demiko's a stud. Their defense is elite. Their
offense plays hard. I mean, Christian Kirk tonight was awesome,
Woody Marks was running his ass off. But Nico Collins

(33:37):
is surely going to be gone for this game. But
who knows, maybe Christian Gonzalez will two. So what to
keep an eye on that matchup. But listen, you should
be fired up. You typically they win in the first round,
it's at home when they're the four seeds. So going
on the road in a cold environment and winning a
game was a final score thirty to six. Picking off
Aaron Rodgers and probably his last career pass is something

(33:59):
you can be pretty excited about. Let's get to a
story I saw today that I said, ooh, there's something there.

(34:20):
Chris Mara, who is John Morrow's brother, unlike most owners,
to my knowledge in texting around the people, really likes football,
like fancies himself as a football guy, likes personnel. Is
technically like one of the high up personnel executives on

(34:40):
the Giants. And someone told me that years ago they
had thought about just making him the general manager, but
cooler heads prevailed and they realized you don't want a
GM that you can't fire because the guy owns the team.
And the Giants playing in the NFC East have a
good idea what that looks like. With Jerry Jones creates

(35:01):
a lot of stories that are just unnecessary in a
lot of noise, So they always name a general manager.
Joe Shane is the current GM, but Chris Marr reviews
himself as a personnel man. Once upon a time, someone
told me that Chris Mara, back when Jerry Reese was there,
he would have him and his scouting staff, and then
like Marrow would have a little personnel staff. So he's

(35:24):
every bit the owner that John is too, but he
likes personnel, the draft going over players, and he went
on a solo mission to John Harbaugh's home in Baltimore.
And the first thing I thought of when I read
that headline is that ain't good if you're the GM,
because if he wanted to pitch the if I was

(35:47):
the owner and I was going to John Harbaugh's home
when the GM is running the coaching search, you would
think that he would bring him along, especially because it's
been reported that Joe and John Harbaugh had a conversation
last week. I would imagine because obviously John is going

(36:07):
through cancer treatment and probably unable to be as active
as he would normally be as they go through a
lot of these coaching searches. I mean they've been running
through coaches, you know, like you do practice squad players
over the last decade. That Chris is kind of pretty
important in this whole thing. And if he's not that

(36:28):
big on Joe Shane, and clearly John Harbaugh, if he
wants his own guy would clearly be comfortable telling him
when he's sitting on his couch over a cocktail. So
my guess is this, if John Harbaugh told Chris Mara,
which multiple people have reported, he's interested in the Giant's job,

(36:51):
Joe Shane and a lot of Giants fans asked this question,
and it was very fair to ask, how does Brian
Daball lose his job and the guy that came with
him as a package deal keep it job? And there's
not really been an answer. Well, the answer might be
is John Harbaugh might force his hand on that one
and put Joe Shane with Brian Dable no longer employed

(37:12):
by the New York Giants. So the longer this thing goes,
I do have a hard time seeing John Harbaugh coach
for the Miami Dolphins. I've said this forever. I've been
there a couple times. It's beautiful. I mean, it's hard
to beat South Florida. I can't even imagine what it's
like having like John Harball level money, the neighborhoods, you
could shop in the life, you could lead Harbor's and

(37:34):
football guys man. When Jim Harbaugh got the job for
the Chargers, he lived in a Winnebago. He lived in
a trailer park with Greg Roman, and he loved it.
Jim Harbaugh would coach an NFL team if they had
a good quarterback in North Dakota. John Harbaugh feels like
a Northeast guy. John Harbaugh's lived in the Northeast from

(37:54):
nineteen ninety eight to twenty twenty five when he got
hired by the Philadelphia Eagles and up through last week
when he was fired by Steve Bushatti. He does feel
if he truly wants to win, and he doesn't just
want one hundred million dollars in just a little less pressure,
because that's what Miami would be. But from a pure
football standpoint, especially if the Giants are like, hey, man,

(38:17):
if you want to bring one of your homies from
the Ravens to run personnel. Clearly, Ozzie's produced a lot
of good little underlinks who have gone on to be
gms and know what they're doing. If you want in,
we'll do it. If I was a betting man right now,
assuming all the reports are true about that that conversation
and time they spent going well, I would say Joe

(38:40):
Shane would be in major trouble. And if John Harbaugh
is the next coach of the New York Giants, I
think it would be stunning if he kept his gig,
And if he did, it would be one of those
situations where he held on for like eight months and
he was neutered at the draft and has no juice
and is essentially a dead man walking, which happens constantly.

(39:00):
I remember when I was living in the Barry, it
happened with John Gruden and Reggie Mackenzie. Now John made
the mistake, and I like Mike Mayock a lot, but
hiring a guy that had never worked in the NFL
as a personnel man, Obviously, John would surely hire someone
from the Ravens who trained their guys as well as
anyone in the league. So I think if you're Joe

(39:21):
Shane and you saw that story, especially if you didn't
know about it, probably not sleeping great. And the other
coaching story, you know. Schefter reported on Monday morning that
Matt Lafleur all signs are that they will figure out
a deal, and clearly Matt wants a big race and
a big extension. A lot of Packer fans are frustrated
that they can't figure it out in the playoffs and they've

(39:43):
had some devastating losses. I mean, there's no disputing that
the game to Tampa years ago with Rogers. They lost
a game a couple of years ago to the forty
nine ers where they were kicking their butt in the
second round of the playoffs, and nothing was worse than
giving up twenty five points. It's in the fourth quarter too.
It's weird calling them their hated rival. But the rivalry, well,

(40:07):
it's a historic rivalry. It never really mattered that much.
It feels like it's gone zero to sixty fast. This
Ben Johnson Lafour thing is is pretty fun. So Michaeh.
Parsons came out and the Packers aren't one of those
teams with you know, the trading picks for players. If anything,
over Rogers era. They were the most conservative team in

(40:29):
the league when it came to personnel. They pumped their
chest about Charles Woodson. Like Charles Woodson didn't have a
big market. When they signed him, he became like resurrected
his career, became a superstar, kind of validated his Hall
of Fame career. But when they acquired him, it wasn't
like when they acquired Reggie White in nineteen ninety three. Right,

(40:50):
it was kind of slim pickens for Charles at the time.
And I think this Micah Parsons thing was out of
their comfort zone. And listen, it was the right move.
He was awesome for them, and injuries happen, it sucks.
But when he came out today and said, part of
the reason that I wanted to come here not only

(41:10):
okayed the trade, but wanted to sign a big extension
was because of Lafloor and went on and on and on.
That's just not a normal player saying that, like that's
just going to hold a lot of juice. And they
don't have an owner. So for ed Policy, who's never
run a team before just this year becoming the president
for Murphy, I think that puts a lot of pressure

(41:32):
on you to kind of keep it going. So unless
there are internal things that we don't know about, which
don't seem to be the case. Packers obviously blow some
late games, not great, and they got I'm not acting
like Lafleur's the perfect coach. But when Micah Parsons did that,
I went, I don't think they're going to be able
to move on from and let's face it, they moved

(41:52):
on from. Who are they going to hire? But it
feels like that kind of solidified, like he's going to
be okay a couple other things around the NFL. I
do think we have a little bit of like an
epidemic of these coaches going for it, and I think
there's a consistent theme. I've always said, you'll never meet
a fan who, in big spots Layton games, don't want

(42:17):
their coach to be aggressive, right, go for it, go
for the kill shot. Like I would say, most fans
on their couch are at the game. You heard it
tonight when Rogers stayed on the field early in the
game for a fourth down they ended up getting it.
I think the thieling, you get loud standing ovations. Most
human beings aren't like, just kick the field goal. But

(42:41):
I do think that we've jumped the shark a little
bit when it comes to the first half of these games.
Part of the reason you do that in the second
half is, Hey, your defense is playing like crap. Hey
you can't get a stop to save your life. Hey,
we're down x number of points. A field goal doesn't
do us any good here. You start doing the math,
You're like, hey, you're gonna need two touchdowns to even

(43:01):
tie this game. But in the first half of games,
you have no clue how the thing's gonna play out.
You have no clue as the game goes, if someone's
gonna get injured, if something is gonna substantially change from
a schematic standpoint, as teams often do. If a team
that look like, you know, the greatest offense you've ever seen,

(43:22):
goes to a team that can't gain a yard, it
happens all the time. Yet Liam Cohen, Sean McVay, and
Ben Johnson all in their games early on went for it.
I thought pretty recklessly on fourth down, and Liam Cohen
and obviously he lost, you know, he goes for it.

(43:44):
Trevor Lawrence is down whatever a couple of inches, short
of the line. Josh Allen drives them down for a touchdown.
So it's a ten point swing in the game. This
is the first half. This isn't the fourth quarter where
it's like, hey, we're up four points, make it eleven,
let's end them. This is the first half. It's a
seven to three game. Just take the points. Make it

(44:06):
a ten to three game. You're have a touchdown, Sean McVeigh.
It was seventeen to seven. A field goal makes it
twenty to seven. You're playing Bryce Young, not Cam Newton,
and Luke Keagley, like what are we talking about here?
And Ben Johnson went for it on his own thirty
yard line. It's like, Ben, it's freezy cold. Let's just
see how this situation plays out with the Packers. They're

(44:29):
not gonna score in every drive. And what happened in
the second half punt punt, punt punt. And I think
all three of those guys have in common. They're offensive
play colors, which, let's face it, they don't respect or
think about the kicker. You know why they think about touchdowns?
Who respects kickers? Defensive guys? Why because they're coaching that

(44:50):
side of the ball and they want to play in
a lower scoring game, and they think about the sport
in a lower scoring mindset. Yet all these guys touchdowns, touchdowns, touchdowns,
and what do they also like to do, especially Cohen
and Sean McVay pass the ball. I just think we
got to be a little more careful in the first

(45:10):
half of games. Dan Lanning did this a couple of
weeks ago against Texas Tech. You have no clue how
the game's gonna play out. So if you get a
chance to make it nine to nothing when it's six
to nothing like that might really matter. And for Dan
Lanning it did. The team he was playing couldn't even
score a touchdown. But in this notion of like, well
that's just what they do, that's just a dumb mindset.

(45:32):
I don't respect anyone. It's like, well, this is just
what I do well right now. In whatever situation you're in,
whether it's football, whatever you do in life, if what
you need to do calls for something else and you
don't do it, then I just think you're an idiot.
I think you're stubborn. And anytime that a coach is stubborn,
it will come back to bite them in the ass.

(45:53):
So I think some of these offensive coaches need to balance.
Like take a field goal. Now, I get if if
it's like a fifty yard field goal windy conditions in
December in January, I get it. But some of these
guys are passing on like twenty yard chip shot field
goals when they have the lead in the second quarter.

(46:14):
None of us can see ahead how the game's gonna look.
No one had the Packers offense just doing nothing for
the third quarter, but that's the way it played out.
Those points were punting the ball would have really mattered.
The other thing for the Bears. Now, I get Ben Johnson,
wasn't there. You did draft a punter in the fourth round.

(46:34):
Liam Cohen, you have one of the best kickers in
the league, like Sean. You're up twenty to seven against
the Panthers. Is there a soul on this earth that
would have believed they could have come back when you
went up twenty to seven. No, there is not. So
I don't think this is gonna change, But I do
think a lot of these coaches have gotten a little
reckless in the first half of games when it comes

(46:57):
to passing on field goals. Okay, a couple other things
one thing that has gone pretty viral, and I kind

(47:17):
of noticed it, but I wasn't I didn't have the
volume up that loud, and I was just I don't know.
I was just watching the game more than listening to
Nance and Romo. But there were a couple of moments
when I was like, what are you to say? Tony
Romo a couple of years ago, was just considered the
greatest thing in the history of broadcasting. He knew all
the plays, he had a big smile. It's like, God,

(47:40):
it's kind of nice to have a guy just having fun.
And a couple of years later, it feels like universally
everyone thinks he stinks. And I was as guilty as
anybody when Tom Brady first started. I'm like, Tom one
thing I didn't understand about Tom. I do get it.
I think once you become this famous, once you become

(48:02):
kind of the level of a celebrity of Tom, it's
hard to balance on and off the camera. Like the
guy Edelman and Gronkowski and his buddies get to see
off the camera. We don't get that guy when the
camera's on. He just can kind of turn on every
once in a while. Now you kind of get it
a little bit more. Maybe he's become a little more relaxed.
Sometimes you see him on podcasts or when he goes

(48:23):
on with Colin, he can be really good, and it
felt like he was really uptight, and in fairness to him,
he'd never done the job. And we and I again,
I'm guilty as anyone on this, I held him to
a really high standard. They gave him thirty seven and
a half million dollars a year. They gave him a
three hundred seventy million dollar contract, So I'm sorry. I
was expecting like John Madden meets Joe Montana, and that's
not really what we got. But there is no disputing

(48:45):
by this time, Tom is extremely relaxed, and it does
feel that we just kind of get to hang out
with Tom Brady watching a football game now. And he
went pretty viral for you know, the clip he had
with throwing the ball and you can kind of give
him some nerdy stuff, let him hang out, enjoy the game.
He kind of made a scream when Juwan Jennings on
the pass, like he's just kind of hit a stride.

(49:05):
He's just I don't know if he's a thirty seven
million dollar broadcaster, but he's good and he's Tom Brady,
so it works. Tony Romo. Obviously, he said at the
beginning of the game that Jacksonville winning would be like
Carolina winning, when by the time the game kicked off,
they were favored, and Jacksonville, by all accounts anyone that

(49:26):
watched them play over the course of the last two months,
they were playing as well as any team in the league.
And you know, Tony's making all these sounds. I think
what he's tried to pivot to is tried to become
this big personality, like this fun kind of John Madden
was that way right, and John Gruden was kind of
that way too. Now John Madden's been gone for a

(49:49):
while and hasn't called games in almost two decades, but
it always felt like John Madden really knew what was
going on and really knew the players and coaches like personally,
so it felt like he was describing you to them.
I don't know how much film John Madden watched in
the nineties and two thousands, but I never felt like
he didn't know what he was talking about. And then,

(50:11):
obviously his personality is a one of a kind, right,
He's like a Hollywood actor and Gruden had some of
Madden's just kind of big personality. But everyone knew this
guy was getting up at the crack of dawn to
watch every game both teams have played. That he would know.
It's why his Gruden grinders would be a bunch of
random players. He would geek out on the football aspect

(50:31):
of it, whether he was calling the Jags game or
whether he was calling the eighty five Bears playing the
eighty five forty nine Ers, Joe Montana playing Walter Payton.
He knew it all. And thing is, Tony Roman doesn't
feel like he knows it, and he doesn't feel that
cool when he's doing his stuff and he's with Nance,
who really is much more of a buttoned up, old
school play by play guy. It's just not really working.

(50:55):
And for the first time, I kind of agree with
a lot of people, I'm like, God, this is this
is weird. It's just kind of weird. And the other
thing is like doing a Jags game for them not
as easy as doing the Bills, doing the Chiefs, doing
the Broncos, you know, doing the good teams they typically do,
Like how many Bills in Chiefs game? They know that
team like the back of their hand. He doesn't know

(51:16):
the Jags. You got to do a lot more work
to catch up on what's going on there. So I
don't know how to fix it, but I do agree
with a lot of people it's not really working. And
speaking of the Jags, I want to end on this.
This lady in their press conference went pretty viral for
basically giving Liam Cohen a standing ovation telling him to

(51:39):
hold his head high. He did a remarkable job, and
all those things are true. What Liam Cohen did this
year is pretty remarkable. I think he's one of like
three coaches to in his first year take a team
from four wins to thirteen plus wins. One of them
was George Seaffert, who took over like a super champion.

(52:01):
I forget the other one, but it was a list
of like multiple time Super Bowl champions. What he did
with the Jags is remarkable. I also thought that moment
could only happen to a team that none of us
take that seriously. That view the Jags as kind of
like a team that you would see in the movies,

(52:22):
like the branding you would see in any given Sunday.
Can you imagine someone getting up in the press conference
after Nick Sirianni just lost to Kyle Shanahan and saying
that can you imagine someone at Soldier Field being in
the press conference to Matt Lafleur and saying that you
can't because it wouldn't happen. It never has happened, it

(52:43):
never will happen. And listen. I'm not a journalist. I
don't do journalism. I do podcasting. I say whatever I
want now, I, in a weird way, do some because
I'm texting people in the NFL and in this profession
constantly to get information that then I shape what I'm
gonna talk like. I'm not just willy nilly throwing shit
at the wall out of the time. But I'd by

(53:04):
no means consider myself a journalism at this point in time.
I wouldn't even consider myself a media member. That being said,
I have done that type stuff. I've gone to a
ton of press conferences and got to know and would
consider friends people that cover teams as journalists, especially in
the Bay Area. Tim Kawakami, Matt Mayoko, Matt Barrows, Anthony

(53:29):
Slater who covers the Warriors, Marcus Thompson, who covers the Warriors,
these guys who I would consider are journalists. And all
these guys have very close relationships with the coaches they cover,
with the general managers they cover, and a lot of
them with the players they cover. They know that they

(53:50):
have dinners that no one knows about with them. They
text with them. They have relationships with these guys, and
obviously they also have to ask tough questions. I've seen
Tim Kawakami just get into it with Jim Harball. I
would imagine if you asked Jim Harba, he would say,
I consider Tim Kawakami a friend. So listen what I
like as a consumer. I like when people are screaming

(54:13):
at each other. I like and we don't get as
much anymore when the coach or the player would scream
at the Big Jay and sometimes the Big j gives
it back. That's entertainment to me. Ethan Strauss, who has
one of the best substacks on the internet, who's someone
I would consider a friend, had a famous viral moment
with Kevin Durant or Kevin started lighting him up like

(54:35):
a Christmas tree. This is the Big Leagues. It's a
weird gig that a lot of these teams and pro sports.
You have those individuals questioning the coaches, are you gonna
keep your job? Do you think the team should bring
you back? That's not a normal environment that any of
us live in. I don't have people on a daily

(54:55):
basis of like middlecoff. Do you think you're a good
enough podcaster? Should you be retained? Right? How many of
you that are like working at Wells Fargo or some
insurance company once a week have a guy stand in
front of you with the microphone and go bill, do
you think AFLAC should bring you back? For Q three?

(55:16):
Doesn't happen to any of us. But that's the job
they're in, and that's the job all these people have chosen,
and it just comes with the territory, and most of
the coaches and the players know it and just deal
with it. I do think, though, that's a reflection of
the Jaguars more than this lady, because I can imagine
this lady, who I don't know, never heard of, was
probably excited for the first time or one of the

(55:37):
only times in the last like twenty years, whatever she
does for a living actually matter. People kind of cared
because the team always sucks. They're always drafted high if
you did that in film when I was working for
the Eagles, I might get I'm pretty sure it was
Less Bowen either attack Jeff McLain or Jeff McLain attacked

(55:57):
less booth. There was a fight in the locker room
for open locker room to interview the players, and like
a Sante, Samuel was like rooting it on, like that's
what I enjoy, that's what I want. I want there
to be just this is all entertainment like that, and listen.
I like Adam Schefter, He's always been cool to me.

(56:17):
He put that out there like it was some feel
good stories like this isn't little league. They were just
hosting the Buffalo Bills as a favorite.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
They just won thirteen games, pretty sure, they won their
last eight games. They were the hot you could argue
they were the hottest team in the NFL coming into
the playoffs and they just lost because their quarterback played,
like shit, this isn't this isn't high school football, which
I love high school football.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
This is the pros. And I just thought, I don't
get as caught up by the rules. Iybore just like
that's kind of a reflection of that franchise that just
wouldn't happen in other places. You think someone did that
to Mike Tomlin. Hey, Mike, I know you just got
a curb stomped by the Houston Texans thirty to six.

(57:03):
People are probably calling for your job. Your quarterback who's
forty two is gonna retire. All the defensive guys in
your team are really old. But man, hold your head high, bro,
you never lose. You are a true champion. To me,
they get laughed at. Someone just told Sirianni like, just
hold your head high, and the other reporters might have

(57:24):
thrown them out. And I actually think fans find that entertainment.
Yet I'm looking at these comments on the internet, It's
like we need more of this positive reinforcement. Positive they
lost the fucking game, Like this isn't positive reinforcement is
like when someone gets injured, like hold you know, hold
your head high, George kittle Man, you're gonna battle back, right,

(57:44):
or Nico Collins, like prayers for Nico, like hold your
head high. You just lost at home. You won thirteen games,
Like there's no we don't give ribbons out. So I
just think that was that could only happen to the
Jacks A hard time seeing that happen in any other franchise,
and I think it's less a reflection of the lady.

(58:06):
I don't care about revoking credentials or any of that crap,
but I just think that I mean, Aaron Glenn got
asked about his job starting like week three up until
week eighteen, every single week by like seven different people
every single press conference. Now, granted they sucked and he
didn't have an they didn't have an interception, but like,
that's I think most people appreciate that culture. It's like,

(58:26):
what the hell is going on here? I think that
people wanted to ask, like, hey, Liam, what just happened?
What happened to your quarterback? But hey man, good job.
Keep trucking the volume.