October 17, 2024 • 51 mins
John dives into the New York Jets and if trading for Davante Adams has changed the trajectory for this team or if this season still looks bleak. Later, John previews the Thursday Night Football game and how this is a big game for Sean Payton as he returns to New Orleans as his Broncos take on the Saints, what should the Browns do with Watson in the future, and Jerry Jones goes OFF on Dallas radio.
Later, John answers your questions on this episode's mailbag segment.
6:35 - Jets could be on their last leg
11:17 - TNF Preview
15:17 - What should Cleveland do with Watson
19.17 - Jerry Jones goes off
32:36 - Mailbag
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What is going on everybody? How are we doing? John
Middlecoff three Now Podcast? Hopefully everyone is having a great day.
A lot going on today. Wanted to dive in. The
Jets have had one of the crazier ten days in
NFL history, it feels like, so we will talk a
little about them. Off the top. We have a Thursday
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night football game. Denver is headed to New Orleans, the
return of Sean Payton. Ton of guys are injured. A
ton of guys are injured, but the story kind of
is isn't kind of Sean Payton a couple of years
ago just quit on the Saints. It's like, yeah, I'm out.
I kind of want to dive in and revisit that
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because it's kind of crazy. Doesn't happen that often. It
used to happen more when I was a kid in
the nineties. It's like pat Riley and Bill Parcells the Browns.
How dire is is Sean Watson situation? And if you
were another team, would you take a couple high picks
if you had a lot of cap space Deshaun Watson.
Obviously you would never use him. You would then cut them,
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but if you could get several first round picks, because
that's something that's being floated out there. Jerry Jones went
after some radio hosts, having been someone who's been involved
in similar situations, who was relieved of his duties at
a radio station because I pissed off an NFL team.
I have a couple thoughts there, and the mail bag
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lowest prices guaranteed. I really think the Jets once they
lost to the Bills, I think their season is teetering
in just got disaster written all over it. Obviously, DeVante
was over the Raiders. Their quarterback situation was an embarrassment.
Vic Tafer, who writes for The Athletic, basically wrote today
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that you know Gardner Minshew, he couldn't take seriously he
quit on the Raiders, which I don't necessarily blame him.
The team sucks so bad, but he's the reason he's
there is because he wanted to go there. And when
you look at the last ten days of the Jets,
it's pretty nuts and well run teams, teams that know
what they're doing, teams that have won. I think it
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would be very, very difficult for them to overcome this.
But teams that have had a fourteen to fifteen year
playoff drought, a team that hasn't sniffed the playoffs in
a long, long, time. I mean, the last time they
were even close to making the playoffs was Todd Bowles
when they went ten and six and they missed it.
For the most part of this team has sucked and
now they're going to go in the ten days stretch.
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They fired Sala next day, Obrik demotes downing. A couple
days later, they lose to the Bills. That night, they're
trading for DeVante as they are granting a Saan Reddick
the opportunity to seek a trade with his new agent,
Drew Rosenhaus, but because the stipulations of the trade, they
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are not allowed to trade him to the NFC or
it will cost them a twenty twenty six second round pick,
So they basically have to trade him to the AFC,
and Mike Williams now wants to trade right. They just
turned on him. Aaron Rodgers talked a bunch of shit.
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He's out like this is a joke in all the
I go back to the beginning of the season. These
people that picked the Jets to win the division had
to be one. Listen. I have some laughable takes too.
I had the Saints to make the playoffs. It's not
looking great, but the Jets thing, like to pick them
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over the bills. I just never understood it. And now
I saw someone say this on social media that trading
for DeVante is a way for Woody Johnson because he
desperately doesn't want to look like an idiot, because basically
everyone's calling him like, wait, you just call fired Robert
Sala and the defense immediate looked worse and you're head
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coach now, who's also your defensive coordinator looks a little overwhelmed,
and it's like the one bright spot was okay, Downing
is now calling the offense Well, It's been well reported
that Salah was ready to do that on Monday, but
he was fired before he could pull the trigger. And
even Nathaniel Hackett knew it was coming. And now you
add Davante, who, like I just think this situation jumped
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the shark over the course of the last ten days
and I don't think you can overcome it. And I've
been saying this for a while, is these guys had
it pretty good in Green Bay and they have learned
a lesson. This is what a lot of players all
over the league deal with, Like this is the ultimate
shit show. And Tomlin immediately screws with him, like I
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would imagine if I was a betting man, I think
Justin Fields is going to start. I think it's easy
to throw out that Russell Wilson might start to throw
off the defensive court who is also now the interim
head coach, and it just keeps everything in disarray. So
the Pittsburgh Steelers this isn't like, you know, the Roethlisberger
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twenty ten team, so they are beatable. But if you
think this Jets team is just going to go on
the road and I the point spread moved three points
because they traded for DeVante Adams, that's basically sure. We'll
talk about it with Stucky on Friday. Unheard of. The
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point spit spread never moves unless it's a quarterback. The
DeVante Adams, who hasn't even played the last couple of weeks.
Who's listen. I'm not gonna say he's faking an injury,
but he was injured and then gets traded and he's
immediately healthy and now he's practicing and playing. And I'll
never argue with anyone who wants out of the Raiders
because you're just guaranteed to lose there. But going to
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the Jets let's face it is like a sexier version.
The results aren't that much different. So if the Jets
are able to turn this season around, I would immediately
give jeff Oldbrook a contract extension, and I plan on
every good team they play this week in a couple
weeks against the Texans, betting the house against them, the
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Saints in Denver. On the surface, this game has a
boatload of injuries. I just ascertain He's out. The Saints
are missing a ton of guys. A Lave's out, Shaheed's out,
They're already missing Ruiz, A ton of guys are injured.
Denver is favored on the road. But I did find
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it funny looking at some of these Sean Payton quotes
from a couple of years ago. Is he basically just
shorted the franchise? He just quit on him? And I
read his quotes on the day that he gave the
press conference. Sometimes you're like, hey, you know I need
I'm just I can't coach right now. I need to
take a deep breath. I need to go away for
a while. Coaching is not even on my mind. I
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just want to go play golf, hang out with my family.
I just need a reset. He was basically like, yeah,
I plan on coaching again. Just do a little TV.
I hate the word retirement, he said that. He's like,
I used to talk about Tom Benson, who had passed
away by then, had always told him like how overrated
retirement is. And I agree with that, Like, unless you're
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fucking Tiger Woods, you ain't playing golf every day. Like
retirement is something that gives me the heb gbs. It
sounds very boring. You need some purpose and things to
do in life. And Sean Payton was like, yeah, I
plan on coming back to coach. He saw the writing
on the wall. They had no quarterback, they were in
cap hell, and he just punted on their franchise and said,
I'm out. I saw a headline to a couple of
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people that I follow on Twitter that write for some
of the local newspapers. I can't read the articles because
they're behind a payroll, but basically saying like, there are
still a lot of people within the Saints that aren't
really happy how it ended. Don't blame them. It's like
I'm out. Here's Dennis Allen, good luck, godspeed, double middle fingers.
A couple of years later, he gets ninety million, he
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gets to hand pick his quarterback, living in Denver, living good.
I mean, it's it's you know, his mentor was Bill Parcels.
It was very Bill Parcells. I'm just gonna do whatever
the fuck I want and I don't give a shit
in the wake of my decision who it impacts now.
You could argue for Dennis Allen, who was defensive coordinator,
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pretty incredible, got him a huge raise, let him be
a head coach again. Obviously it hasn't gone well, but
you don't see that very often. A guy just basically
looking at his roster knowing he screwed for the next
couple of years because they're not bad enough to ever
draft high. I'm sure he regretted the Mahomes thing from
a couple of years previously. And to say I'm out,
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see guys, it's like, well, are you just quitting coaching. No,
I'll be back probably in I don't know, nine months.
It won't be that long. You'll see me on TV
for a little bit as I'm taking calls, and I'll
be in my office probably January first, with a with
a franchise. And that's exactly what happened in the Saints,
who Listen, we can nitpick Sean Payton where he falls
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on the hierarchy, but he's he's much higher than anything
the Saints are gonna get, especially compared to Dennis Allen.
And he just left Upie and Dry and now he's
coaching somewhere else. So if I was a Saints fan,
I think most places if this happened, if it happened
in college football down there, Like if Brian Kelly just
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quit and then all of a sudden, the next two
years later he's at Florida, kick it ass, He'd be like,
what's going on? Can you imagine? You can't really use
Sirianni and McCarthy, but you know, the coach is having
success of the Cowboys, of the Eagles, of the Bears,
just doing this, I think it would be a much
bigger story. You know, it is kind of nuts. Did
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he just pulled this off pretty seamlessly? I know this
If Kyle Shanahan in a couple of years is like, Eh,
don't really love this brock pretty contract. Our team's not
that good. I'm just you gonna kick it like you're
just done coaching. Nah, I mean I plan on being
back like coaching is in my future. I'll be somewhere
in a couple of years now. They got a first
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round pick for him, they had a trade for him,
but still like that sucks. You would rather have Sean
Payton than the draft pick. Mike Sando wrote this kind
of in depth, as he does like every Monday article
about this to Shaun Watson. I mean, he hit on
a lot of stuff, but one of the things he
hit on was that DeShawn Watson situation. And he's guaranteed
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forty six million dollars next year, he's guaranteed forty six
million dollars the year after that. Their cap implications are
obviously not ideal that they if they cut him now,
it would accelerate and they'd have like one hundred and
seventy million dollars of dead cap space. They could do
post you know, June one and all this stuff. But
one thing that has been floated is some of these teams,
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let's just use the Patriots teams that have a lot
of cap space. Could you include draft picks, which you're
not technically supposed to do, but what I don't think
the league is gonna make a big stink. Could you
include a couple first round picks with the Sean Watson
to a team with a bunch of cap space. And
my first reaction when I read this, and I've heard
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some people talk about it, like, one, why would you
want to ruin your cap especially if you have a
rookie quarterback. The most powerful thing of the rookie quarterback
beside him being a good player on the field, is
he doesn't make that much money, so it allows you
to build your team. And then I started thinking, like,
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I'm not the biggest free agency guy because most players
that hit free agency aren't exactly difference makers. Doesn't mean
you can't get starters, and a team like the Patriots
would gladly buy a guard here, a center here, a
tackle there, But you're not exactly getting you know Jim
Auto and Jonathan og did in free agen. That's not
the way it works. So if you could now, if
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I'm the Browns, it looks like they're headed toward a
couple wins. Right, So if they stay on this trajectory,
their first round draft picks got potential to be like third.
You could argue, like the third overall pick in this draft,
which clearly has some high end guys, would you just
do that straight up. It's like, well, what if you
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could Because you're the Patriots, you're gonna suck too. What
if you have like the second and third pick and
you can trade back with one of those picks because
you already have a quarterback to someone trading up, and
the other pick you get like Travis Hunter, So you
can come out of this draft with like Travis Hunter
your starting tackle, and a bunch of other picks in
future years. Is it worth it to you to take
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you know, one hundred million dollar hit for a year
and my first When I've been thinking about this is like, no,
I would rather just have the flexibility. I would entertain
it depending on where their picks are. Now, if you're
the Browns, your only hope to pivot because even if
you do clear of the books, if you get rid
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of the picks, because that's the only way you could
ever unload him to another team is attached the asset,
which is so obviously would take a lot. I mean
it would take more than the number one overall pick.
It might take like a first this year and two seconds.
But don't you need those picks? Wouldn't you just say
fuck it? This guy is deadweight? The it's already water
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under the bridge. You know, the contracts a contract, don't
we want to use that pick on potentially a quarterback?
Like that's really our only way out. So it's basically
only if the owner wants to get out of paying
the cash. And that's I think the crappy part about
this entire Brown situation is it feels like it's just
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under the control of Jimmy Haslm, who a lot like
Woody Johnson has a track record of just being alone,
and the coach and the GM couple Ivy League guys
feel like they have no control out of this. I'm wrong.
I don't know about Andrew Berry's influence on this, but
I can't imagine that they are pounding the table right
now for Deshaun Watson. And like I said, it's no
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longer a story every single week when Stefanski says, Deshaun
Watson's going to be our starting quarterback, like, we get it.
We know a couple other things. This Jerry Jones story
that you know, Jerry's a one of a kind. He's
the only owner in the NFL who, after the Cowboys
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win or lose, the number one person to talk to
is not the quarterback. Is not the coach, it's not
one of the star position players. It's the owner. He's
the only guy who every single week gives a press
conference essentially in the locker room. That's unprecedented. Then two
days later, on Tuesday morning, he goes on I think
it's one oh five to three. I think it's the
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fan in Dallas, and he gives a weekly a weekly interview.
For most of you that live in your markets, you know,
who who ever has your football team? Right, whoever has
the Bears, whoever have the Eagles, whoever has you know
in San Francisco it's the canbr has the Niners. You
get the head coach and the GM on a weekly basis.
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And then with these deals, one oh five to three
has the Cowboys, you get access to their players. It's
part of the contract. But Jerry's getting grilled by these
guys and he freaks and he's pissed off, and he
essentially says, I pay your salary, which is kind of
funny to me because actually the way the business works
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is the radio station pays the Cowboys for the rights
to do their games. And honestly, in radio, and when
I was in radio, we had the Raiders, and I
did some stuff at CANBR who had the Niners that
the games actually aren't that valuable the actual game because
they're all on Sundays. Well, you get paid or you
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bill people advertising wise, basically six am to six pm
or seven pm Monday through Friday. So the actual property
of the games, unlike baseball or basketball that is played
during the work week, it's not as powerful that way.
Where it is though, is it gives you access to Jerry,
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to Mike McCarthy, to Dak, to the players, and that
is really valuable. Now. I think the hard part about
this is I see both sides that I give credit
to these two radio hosts for going at Jerry, because
when you are in business with these teams, even though
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you're paying them, you need them. And Jerry knows it,
even if Jerry's just saying this because he's used to
saying I pay you, well, not actually Jerry, they pay you.
But you do have the leverage here. Now. I don't
know how long the contract is, but they need the
Cowboys property just like all in all these markets. Whoever
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has the Dodgers, whoever has the Yankees, whoever has the Giants,
Like it's very, very valuable to the radio station. But
I once upon a time, you used to work for
a station with an NFL team, and I used to
be given free reign, say whatever you want, do not hesitate,
as long as you don't make it personal, let it rip.
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And I would really piss off the Raiders and they
would get really really mad about things. I would say, uh.
And this was during a time when they were moving
and they would make threats a lot of the time.
But my boss at the time said, don't just as
long as you're not making fun of like Mark's haircut,
like if you're just talking about how shitty they were.
And they were a team that was barely winning like
four or five games, and they were moving so or
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trying to move at the time, and I used to
make fun of them a lot for that. But I
learned a valuable lesson. When you are in business with
these people and the company wants to stay in business,
those people can get rid of you. And Mark Davison
mainly Mark Bdain, his president, who was his right hand man,
majure I was fired and they replaced me with a
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guy that actually worked for the Raiders, and I remember
like six months later, having cocktails with Greg Papa, who
now calls the games for the Niners, who was a
longtime voice to the Raiders, He's like, yeah, you had
no chance man during negotiations, like some of their checkpoints
were get rid of this guy. And this is a
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slippery slope when you work for these people that have
these properties, and that property is so valuable to the company.
If I ran Odyssey, who owns this station, the cowboys
are more important to me and that property of being
in business with them, even though we're cutting them millions
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of dollars than any radio host I have, which is
just a reality of the business. And I give these
guys credit for not giving a shit, but like, if
Jerry wants these guys gone, they will be gone, you know.
And I listen. Ever since I've been in the podcast world,
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I can say whatever I want. I might piss some
people off individually, but I don't answer to anybody in
terms of the teams, because if I did, and I've
done it before, I know that's not a great environment
for me. And I think sometimes you see these people,
you know, on ESPN or at a radio station, you
kind of lose sight of like how the business works, right,
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who you need in business, this is where you get
your money. So I do kind of agree with Jerry
of like, listen, you guys are just giving it to me,
like you guys need my fucking business. Let's never get
this twisted. And this is the hard part about the
Cowboys is like their business is more important to everybody.
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I don't talk as much about them, probably as they should,
but definitely local TV, ESPN or whatever like you need them,
and especially in the local market, you need that property
because that funnels you the players and the coaches and
obviously Jerry who again the radio station. I'm not even
sure Jerry forces them to pay. He might just hey,
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get a sponsor give it to charity. But usually any
guests you have on is also compensated. So it's like
you got to pay to play because you want to
pay to play because you need them. When I was
in the Bay Area, we didn't have the Giants or
the forty nine ers. Well guess what, having the Raiders
in the A's And this is why I thought I
was untouchable, because like, the Raiders don't even rate, who
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gives a shit? The Niners are more important and we
would pay forty nine or players Giants players to be
weekly guests even though we had the other two teams,
because we couldn't sustain business with those two properties. And
since I've left, they bought the Golden State Warriors because
you have to have powerful local teams in sports radio
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to really make Hay. Anyone that watched the documentary on
Francesa and Chris Russo, they all admitted, like part of
our success had to do with we were in business
with the New York Football Giants, the New York Knicks,
and the New York Rangers. They all happen to be
pretty good in the nineties, especially the Rangers and the Knicks.
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It helped business because who do they get every week?
You know? Or in the early night Bill Parcells, pat Riley,
like Mark Messier. You get access to those guys, and
like in my business right now, I'm not determined for
my financial success as a podcast entity is not determined
by one other property. If it was like, hey, you're
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in business with the AFC. Let's say, and every single
week I get any quarterback I want from the AFC
and any coach I want, I would probably in the
it went through the NFL, probably wouldn't be taking shots
at Roger Goodell, right, because I would be making a
lot off what they're giving me. Just the way business works.
And I think sometimes people in media lose sight because
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they're like, well, I'm a journalist. It's like, no, you're
in this all business. Like the reason newspapers went down,
they were all they ever were were a distribution of ads.
That's that was the business. And then less and less
and less and less people read newspapers. Their model got fucked,
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and it's why the only way they can make money
now is to charge you a monthly fee because they
know you don't get it from your driveway anymore. Are
Like one thing that has hurt local radio music and
talk radio is this, why would I do you listen
to local radio to hear music in your car anymore?
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Probably not, especially people my age and younger. They wouldn't
know the local radio station if they unless they're from
that area. If you know, you offer them one hundred
thousand dollars, they couldn't even guess. So ultimately, like listen,
Jerry's worked up, but like he's not totally wrong. I
mean he's wrong in the sense that like he doesn't
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cut their check to pay them. But like you're in
business with the fucking cowboys, and there's a line of like, hey,
you can push someone, but hey, like you're fucking station.
Part of the reason I'm and I they're one of
the top stations, I think, the top sports station in Dallas.
It's like being in business with them, that's kind of important,
you know, that's that's that's the whole thing, and that
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you're success. If you don't think your success tied to that,
you know, you're high on uh some pretty good stuff.
The other thing, And again, I'm not even pushing back
on what those guys said to Jerry, because the Cowboys
are in shambles. They got a lot of issues. But
like if I was Jerry, like I'm just gonna let
you guys bend me over, Like that's that's just how
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it's gonna work, especially after I just got my ass kicked,
You're gonna me the fucking village idiot. Like I probably
would have said the same thing if I was eighty
years old. It might have been even meaner. And last,
but not least, the morning package Florio is riding about today.
You could see this thing coming from a mile away.
I just hope it's bad games because like I can
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get up on the West coast for for Aaron Rodgers,
or if I'm in a plane to watch Caleb Williams,
but like Patriots Jags, Like is this gonna be a thing?
And the answer is yes. I think the only question
now is it gonna be ten games a year? Is
it gonna be fifteen games a year? I don't know,
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but it's pretty clear where this is headed. Thursday Night
Football netted the NFL from Amazon. I think over eight
hundred million dollars a year per year. They just developed
it out of nowhere. So if you could sell a
separate package on Sunday mornings, it wouldn't go as high
as what CBS, Fox and those people are paying for
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their total packages, which I think all under the one
umbrella equals like close to like ten billion dollars. But
if you get a couple million dollars the Apple Pay
or Netflix, hey we just get twelve games a year
six thirty am Pacific standard time window, all the games
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are the best landing spots for Jalen Milroe? I think
the cultsure ideal indoors division with week defense is great
play caller with a history of developing dual threat quarterbacks.
They need insurance for often injured Anthony Richardson. Seattle could
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be an option with their OC. Grubb has a working
relationship with Debor. If the Steelers implode, they could be
an option as well. I was pretty intoxicated during the
Vanderbilt Alabama game at Draftking sports book down the street
from my house, so I'd be lying if I said
I had a great breakdown of Jalen's performance. I was
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at the red River game, so I didn't get to
watch him play South Carolina, so I don't think it's
quite The Vanderbilt game clearly wasn't his fault. The defense
was atrocious. I have no take on how we looked
last week. I know they barely squeaked by. It's safe
to say the buzz and the hype has slown down
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a little bit. The cults are not taking a quarterback
I mean, the cults are going to ride this out
a couple of years, right or wrong. I actually thought
last night when I saw Flacco say something like Joe
Flacco is getting resigned for the Colts, like he's just
gonna be around, like they're not letting him go. Now,
we'll see. I saw Anthony Richardson. You know, I think
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he's gonna be healthier, He's probably gonna play this week.
What if he plays and they lose, I think they
would just roll with Flacco. I don't know. I think
we got a lot to play out with these quarterbacks.
I think, beside Shadoor and cam Ward, I don't think
any of these cats look like top picks. You know,
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Jalen did in that game against Georgia, now can he
maintain it? But Anthony Richson definitely wasn't nearly as good
as Jalen Milroe in college and went forth overall. So
you can never underestimate the power of quarterback inflation. But
I don't really I don't really have a great idea
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yet where all these guys are gonna go. Little ways
away from even projecting the draft, because if you look
at some of the shitty teams, the Titans will need
a quarterback. The Panthers pretty big wild card, you would say,
the Jags and the Browns if they don't win many games.
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We know the Jags aren't drafting a quarterback. They gave
him two hundred million dollars. The Browns are a pretty
big wildcard too. Long time listener to the pod, I
know you bang on the Browns and Watson constantly and rightfully,
so I actually like Stefanski and I like a lot
of the guys on their team, and Jim Schwartz is
obviously a good defensive coordinator. It's more just it's one
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of the worst business decisions we've ever seen, right. I mean,
he did not even want to be a Brown he
told them no. And I think the Saints and definitely
the Panthers got very, very lucky. Forty nine ers were
sniffing around too. I think it's crazy looking back with
everything going on, You know what, the lesson it shows you,
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and this is the Doc Rivers thing, like, your talent
has to outweigh your problems. Everyone thought he was such
an elite player, so it's like, yeah, he's got I
love it when people comment like he's he's has been
found Uh, none of these have been substantiated, and he
hasn't gone to jail and no chords. Like, guys, let's
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use fucking common sense here. I never feel comfortable talking
about a one on one situation, he said. She said,
I never do. But I'm forty years old. I've seen
a lot of these situations being a sports fan, right
with guys in some situations that are kind of sketchy.
We have never seen anything like this. All these chicks
(32:40):
are massuses, and they're all saying the same thing. One
It'd probably be impossible because even if a dude is
sleeping with his messuse, he's going to the same freaking massuse, right,
you're not, Like, it's not a vending machine. No one
mixes up their massuses, if maybe one or two. But
this guy was doing it. Like just let's just use
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our brains, like this guy clearly had an issue. Now
what happened in those I wasn't there, You weren't there,
But like to go, this guy is beyond a sketchy
character like that that was your thing? Like I like
my quarterbacks. Deshaun Rich dude, good looking. You shouldn't need
to try this hard to get laid that'd be my thing.
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It's like, bro, most of these fucking quarterbacks should be
a guy walking the bar like here for the sex.
I mean, he's shooting fish in a barrel. And then
you got this situation. You're like, bro, I can't take
you seriously at all, let alone, like, I don't even
want to. I'm not even comfortable being around you. If
I was one of his teammates, definitely. Can you imagine
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some of his teammates like wives and girlfriends like side
eye on him if they ever go to functions. But
I think looking back, what's crazy is that all these
teams wanted them because they just thought he was tough.
They thought he was like Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen
and Lamar Jackson, like Okay, if he gets in trouble, whatever,
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but it's worth it. Turns out he sucks. It's just
crazy how it played up. He just sent me a
bunch of stats. Yeah, they're pretty ugly, diehard Titan fan like,
I just can't have my quarterback having situations. I mean, period,
point blank into story, like my quarterback. The only situation
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I should ever have with my quarterback is contract situations,
Like if we want to argue about that. It's business
part of the deal. I'm talking a lot of money.
I don't mind that, but I can't have any other things.
I should have zero issues and look at the top quarterbacks.
Patrick Mahomes has he ever had an issue? Honestly, the
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only issues he has is like with his brother, which
he can't control. Lamar Jackson. The only issue they've ever
had is the contract stuff. Josh Allen, no issues, no issues. CJ.
Stroud been in the league now a year and a half,
no issues, Perty, no issues, Dack no issues, Like I
like my guys have no issues. If you get issues
(35:12):
with twenty four massusas like what are we talking about?
In what world? Could you have a conversation with someone
else and be like, yeah, this guy's got a little
bit of a problem on his hands. Like let's just
say you described this to someone that does not know sports,
and you were just trying to describe him to this John
Watson Situations like yeah, this guy's demanding a trade. The
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person might ask, is the team not willing to pay him? No, Actually,
he's under a massive contract. He got extended after his
third year, So what is team bad? Well, actually, you know,
for the last six seven years. For the most part,
they've been pretty good. Is a high tax state no
actually no state income tax. He plays in Houston, but
he does have twenty plus massage therapists claiming that he
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forced them to have sex and give him handies. What
do you think the average person, when you were describing
that situation, how they would Respond'd be like, it's that
sounds kind of crazy to me. Like he said, she said,
I bet he's probably innocent. I mean, come on, it's
(36:22):
pretty wild. It's kind of crazy honestly that he's just
still playing. Titans fan season ticket holder was just there
last week. Your new stadium is probably gonna be pretty sweet.
I was all in, but after watching Levis this past
Sunday in this season, I've decided I'm ninety five percent
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sure he's not the guy I would imagine you and
your other season ticket holders are not alone. I don't
love the quarterbacks in this upcoming draft. Yours is good
but gets hurt, Chador is good but has some serious
baggage with his dad, and don't love any of the others.
If Kirk Cousins continues balling out, do you think the
Titans could trade a second or a first for Pennis.
(37:10):
Titans get a potential answer quarterback and the Falcons get
some draft capital to help maximize their Super Bowl window.
That's a good question. I think if you're the Falcons,
Pennix would basically be off limits because one cousins is
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thirty six, thirty seven years old, and you use this
very valuable draft capital that you could have taken, you know,
a ton of different players, offensive lineman, defensive linemen. You
couldn't take a skill guy because you've done that like
fifteen years in a row. But I think you just
write it out. I think you just keep saying no,
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I don't think you would would give the asset away.
So I would imagine unless you would pay, you know,
an astronomical amount in terms of draft capital, like give
your one, which is obviously going to be high and
even more, that they would even entertain it. Been a
daily listener for a while now, wish we could see
some more go low content. But I digress. You know, golf,
(38:15):
The problem is when football starts, it just has to
get put to the back burner. It just does. And
I fall even the off season closely, Like I had
money on the President's Cup, I keep an eye on
some of these random tournaments, but I see the numbers
of people watching, and for the most part, some of
the stories are just like, I just don't care that
(38:35):
Greg Norman is not going to be the CEO anymore
or these stories. I just I have to talk football.
I'd be doing everyone, starting with myself and the company
and the partners that I'm in business with a disservice.
So it's just it sucks. But that's why We're going
to do more golf videos where I play, have some
(38:57):
lined up playing with some people. Hopefully get back on
the horse and the saddle with that over the next
couple of weeks. I haven't played golf in a couple weeks,
kind of miss it. The NFC North is obviously the
best division in football, as most people predicted through six weeks.
Can you rank the quarterbacks? In my opinion, it goes
love golf, Williams, then Donald. What you need to see
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in their future head to have matchups to change this order.
If Williams goes and beats up on golf, will it
change or do you need to see all four quarterbacks
finish the year? Well, I think that's a little overreaction.
To Sam Donald's game against the Jets, where obviously it
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was his worst game of the season. He lit up
the Niners. Who else they play? He lit up not
the Jets, the Texans. So it's like, I have a
hard time just you have one if he game on
the road and just saying the guy's dead last. So
(40:06):
to me, I think Love and Golf are just in
their own tier. You know, Love's had some sketchy moments,
but he's also had just like I'm like Josh Allen
Patrick Mahomes moments. He makes throws where you're like, uh, yeah,
that's top five quarterback in the league. Now, he also
can throw the ball to the other team. He can
(40:26):
get a little uh, he can just get squirrely. That's
how I describe him. He can get squirrely, but he
can make some passes where you're like, holy shit, they're
to me the scariest Now that Hutchinson is injured, which
is just such a devastating injury. It really it just sucks,
it really does. Goss played really really well, but Goafs
(40:49):
played at a really high level now for three years,
like you kind of know what Gough is. I think
the question marks are loving GoF can they just go
on a superheater in the playoffs like those those are
plays teams. You would say Minnesota is a locked playoff team.
I mean because the I mean I look at I mean,
they went that back to back stretch of beating the
Niners and the Texans was pretty damn impressive. But you know,
(41:12):
you never want to peak too early. They got these
games coming up. All of a sudden, you beat the Lions.
If they beat the Lions, I don't see under any
scenario how they wouldn't be a playoff team. I guess
Darnold could get hurt and with JJ being out that
their quarterback situation will be a mess. But you go
six to zero and you just beat the Lions, you
(41:36):
got six games, so you would have eleven left. Like
what's the worst they're going to do in eleven? Like five,
even if they went five and six, that would mean
they went eleven and six. That's getting you into the playoffs.
And they're probably not going you know, five and six
over eleven game stretch. I think the Bears are a
pretty big wildcard that they would be my team that listen,
(42:00):
I'm not not trying to hate. You can only beat
the teams you're supposed to play, and you've gone from
a shitty team to beating the crap out of bad teams.
That's a huge step forward. But I gotta see Caleb
do it against better defenses. What's good? John, big fan
of the pod. I've been listening since my senior year
(42:20):
of high school and now I'm a junior must be
in college. My question would one more defensive Player of
the Year and another season of two of his usual
dominant push TJ above JJ all time. TJ will likely
play longer and have better numbers, but I'm not sure
(42:42):
he can match JJ's three defensive Players of the Year.
TJ already has won plus the sack record sack title
three times, but I think JJ winning three has hurt
him during awards due to voter fatigue. He's finished third
and second twice in the race. What say you? TJ's
(43:03):
a remarkable player, and I think we talked about him
a couple of weeks ago when were they playing who
they Oh? The Sunday night against Cowboys. Remember texting some
buddies like how'd this guy go thirtieth in the draft,
And every single person that responded, You know, college scouting
directors just you know, high level executives were like, he
(43:24):
did not look like this in college. And even JJ,
I wouldn't say was exactly like you know, Miles Garrett
or Chase Young or some just all time prospect coming
out of college. He was clearly good. But I saw
I'm biased because I saw JJ play live a couple
times in the peak of his powers, and it looked
(43:45):
like Aaron Donald meets Lawrence Taylor. He was in his peak.
I would say, of the last twenty years, there's a
very very short list, and I would put I would
say that is better at his peak than TJ, partly
because he could go inside and outside, Like you can
(44:07):
put him over center, you can put him over guard,
you can put him at an end. Fuck, you can
play tight end. I mean he was just JJ was
an unstoppable for us. Now, like you said, over the
course of a career, if TJ plays at a higher
because once JJ started getting injured, he started kind of
fell apart. It's a good question. I don't think TJ
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necessarily gets docked because of his brother. I think he
gets docked because there's just a really good crop of players,
right like Miles Garrett, who won it last year, Miles Garrett.
Don't have to look up the defensive Players of the
Year because it's just a hard award to win. So
TJ won in twenty one, Bosa won it in twenty two,
(44:51):
Miles Garrett won it in twenty three. I mean, let's
just go off the list since jj Watt won his
first one twenty twelve, JJ Watt twenty thirteen, Luke Keikley
twenty fourteen, JJ Watt two has fifteen JJ Watt that's
when I saw him live. It's like, Holy Moly, twenty sixteen.
Khalil Mack, who I went to eight or nine Raider
(45:14):
games that year. I guess it would only be eight
and sixteen. I went to them all, all the home games.
He was fucking so good, uh seventeen Donald eighteen Donald nineteen,
Little Curveball Gilmour twenty, Donald twenty one, TJ. It's just hard,
it really is. I would say that JJ is a
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better player than TJ in his peak, and TJ's damn good.
But I don't think there's anything wrong with You could
argue that tj' has already established himself as a as
a Hall of Famer, which is probably not breaking news.
Couple more. I'm a lifelong Chiefs fan. I grew up
(45:58):
watching Derek Thomas and Neil Smith Arrowhead with my father,
good memories. I grew up watching those guys on television.
When I think Monday Night football when I was a
kid in the nineties my house in Davis, I think,
I think Chiefs Marty Schottenheimer like Chiefs Broncos ninety eight
when I was like, hold what I have been in
(46:19):
ninety eight fourteen. My question is this, there are some
decided drawbacks of being a winning franchise like the Ravens,
Buffalo Niners, of course Kansas City. You get a tougher
schedule in a lower draft position. The Chiefs are getting
what we consider a terrible bye week five, which makes
(46:39):
for a long second half of the year. Wouldn't it
be cool to reward the top teams with a bye
week draft where the teams are ranked after the season
is over and they go top to bottom and fill
up the bye weeks as the team selects their preference. Thanks.
I think the hard part about doing that is yes,
(47:01):
you know, the Chiefs get a lot of all the
teams you named are a huge part of the business
of the league in terms of Monday Night football, Sunday
Night Football, Thursday night football. So to make the schedule
you have to include all these thirty two teams that
you were kind of indifferent to when their buya is now.
(47:24):
I hear what you're saying. Shouldn't you get the benefit
of being able to choose your buy if you're good,
just like the teams that suck at the high picks.
But I don't think that would be possible in terms
of the way the league does the schedule, which is
obviously very very complicated. Love the pod, really enjoy your segments.
I think Mulligan Monday would be a great addition to
(47:44):
the lineup. I've never understood this, so maybe you can
help me. But I don't see why teams with under
two minutes that are down more than a field goal
and just scored don't at least try an onside kick.
Wouldn't it make sense to give yourself two shots at
potentially getting the ball back. I was watching the Niner
Seahawks game and with one forty seven left and three timeouts,
(48:07):
Seattle decided to kick it deep. Is it potential field
position issue? If the team that's up, recovers the on
side kick on the forty and gets stopped. Then the
team that's down would have to start the potential game
winning drive from the twenty five or shorter, first kicking
it deep, making a stop, and getting the punt around
(48:29):
the forty to start the potential game winning drive. At
that point in the game, wouldn't a potential onside kick
recovery outweigh the extra fifteen yards in field position? What
am I missing? I think you're simply missing that. The
execution of an onside kick feels as likely as me
(48:49):
handing you an eight iron and taking you out to
a golf course and telling you to hit a hole
in one. Now, obviously I would say an onside kicks
more likely than a hole in one. But let's be real.
When we're sitting on our couch or a coach on
the sideline, the head coach, and he is forced to
do an onside kick, what level of confidence does he
(49:13):
have that that's gonna work. It's basically slimm to none.
And if I kick the onsidekick, the momentum of my
potential comeback. Again. I'm not talking analytics. There might be
numbers that say you should I just feel like the
(49:33):
what's the likelihood of an onside kick working? If I
had to guess over the last thirty years one percent?
Where what's the percentage of getting a three and out?
Now you can't just go what's the percentage of getting
a three and out over the course of twenty years,
(49:55):
because what's the percentage of getting a three and out
in that individual situation? It feels relatively high because most
teams are not gonna have the balls to throw it.
So if you just stop the run, even the bills
the other day, right, like, what do they do? Did
they throw it to put the nail on the coffin? No,
they did a fake handoff and then they had Josh run.
(50:17):
But most people and if their defensive end just keeps contained,
like his number one job, you cannot lose contain. Now,
I love when coaches say that were former players he
lost contained. Well, even if he had contained, is there
a chance that Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or Kyler
Murray or some of these guys that can really move
(50:37):
and juke and run by guys, you would have contained them? Like, yeah,
he would contain most people. But there are certain players
that even if you have contained like he had great coverage,
and then Randy Moss jumped over his head. You know
he's he had he had a good pass set and
then Khalil back lifted him off the ground and drove
him into the quarterback. I love that because people coaches like,
(51:01):
you gotta hold the edge. You can't bite, you can't
Well what if he didn't bite and he was just
standing there? Yeah, you give yourself a better shot, right
because you're not ten yards down the line of scrimmage
and the guy can just walk for it first down.
But even if you are, especially if it's like Lamar,
who you betting on? Yeah? So when on that one
(51:22):
we got up. Maybe I'll save some of these for
a little weekend mail bag on Friday. But let's attempt
to enjoy the Thursday night game and it'll be interesting.
Do they de Sean Payton just get universal cheer? He should,
but he also quit on these guys, so I'm fascinated
to see the reaction, especially if he's kicking their ass,
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What is going on everybody? How are we doing? John
Middlecoff three Now Podcast? Hopefully everyone is having a great day.
A lot going on today. Wanted to dive in. The
Jets have had one of the crazier ten days in
NFL history, it feels like, so we will talk a
little about them. Off the top. We have a Thursday
(02:05):
night football game. Denver is headed to New Orleans, the
return of Sean Payton. Ton of guys are injured. A
ton of guys are injured, but the story kind of
is isn't kind of Sean Payton a couple of years
ago just quit on the Saints. It's like, yeah, I'm out.
I kind of want to dive in and revisit that
(02:27):
because it's kind of crazy. Doesn't happen that often. It
used to happen more when I was a kid in
the nineties. It's like pat Riley and Bill Parcells the Browns.
How dire is is Sean Watson situation? And if you
were another team, would you take a couple high picks
if you had a lot of cap space Deshaun Watson.
Obviously you would never use him. You would then cut them,
(02:48):
but if you could get several first round picks, because
that's something that's being floated out there. Jerry Jones went
after some radio hosts, having been someone who's been involved
in similar situations, who was relieved of his duties at
a radio station because I pissed off an NFL team.
I have a couple thoughts there, and the mail bag
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lowest prices guaranteed. I really think the Jets once they
lost to the Bills, I think their season is teetering
in just got disaster written all over it. Obviously, DeVante
was over the Raiders. Their quarterback situation was an embarrassment.
Vic Tafer, who writes for The Athletic, basically wrote today
(04:55):
that you know Gardner Minshew, he couldn't take seriously he
quit on the Raiders, which I don't necessarily blame him.
The team sucks so bad, but he's the reason he's
there is because he wanted to go there. And when
you look at the last ten days of the Jets,
it's pretty nuts and well run teams, teams that know
what they're doing, teams that have won. I think it
(05:16):
would be very, very difficult for them to overcome this.
But teams that have had a fourteen to fifteen year
playoff drought, a team that hasn't sniffed the playoffs in
a long, long, time. I mean, the last time they
were even close to making the playoffs was Todd Bowles
when they went ten and six and they missed it.
For the most part of this team has sucked and
now they're going to go in the ten days stretch.
(05:37):
They fired Sala next day, Obrik demotes downing. A couple
days later, they lose to the Bills. That night, they're
trading for DeVante as they are granting a Saan Reddick
the opportunity to seek a trade with his new agent,
Drew Rosenhaus, but because the stipulations of the trade, they
(05:58):
are not allowed to trade him to the NFC or
it will cost them a twenty twenty six second round pick,
So they basically have to trade him to the AFC,
and Mike Williams now wants to trade right. They just
turned on him. Aaron Rodgers talked a bunch of shit.
(06:19):
He's out like this is a joke in all the
I go back to the beginning of the season. These
people that picked the Jets to win the division had
to be one. Listen. I have some laughable takes too.
I had the Saints to make the playoffs. It's not
looking great, but the Jets thing, like to pick them
(06:39):
over the bills. I just never understood it. And now
I saw someone say this on social media that trading
for DeVante is a way for Woody Johnson because he
desperately doesn't want to look like an idiot, because basically
everyone's calling him like, wait, you just call fired Robert
Sala and the defense immediate looked worse and you're head
(07:01):
coach now, who's also your defensive coordinator looks a little overwhelmed,
and it's like the one bright spot was okay, Downing
is now calling the offense Well, It's been well reported
that Salah was ready to do that on Monday, but
he was fired before he could pull the trigger. And
even Nathaniel Hackett knew it was coming. And now you
add Davante, who, like I just think this situation jumped
(07:25):
the shark over the course of the last ten days
and I don't think you can overcome it. And I've
been saying this for a while, is these guys had
it pretty good in Green Bay and they have learned
a lesson. This is what a lot of players all
over the league deal with, Like this is the ultimate
shit show. And Tomlin immediately screws with him, like I
(07:46):
would imagine if I was a betting man, I think
Justin Fields is going to start. I think it's easy
to throw out that Russell Wilson might start to throw
off the defensive court who is also now the interim
head coach, and it just keeps everything in disarray. So
the Pittsburgh Steelers this isn't like, you know, the Roethlisberger
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twenty ten team, so they are beatable. But if you
think this Jets team is just going to go on
the road and I the point spread moved three points
because they traded for DeVante Adams, that's basically sure. We'll
talk about it with Stucky on Friday. Unheard of. The
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point spit spread never moves unless it's a quarterback. The
DeVante Adams, who hasn't even played the last couple of weeks.
Who's listen. I'm not gonna say he's faking an injury,
but he was injured and then gets traded and he's
immediately healthy and now he's practicing and playing. And I'll
never argue with anyone who wants out of the Raiders
because you're just guaranteed to lose there. But going to
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the Jets let's face it is like a sexier version.
The results aren't that much different. So if the Jets
are able to turn this season around, I would immediately
give jeff Oldbrook a contract extension, and I plan on
every good team they play this week in a couple
weeks against the Texans, betting the house against them, the
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Saints in Denver. On the surface, this game has a
boatload of injuries. I just ascertain He's out. The Saints
are missing a ton of guys. A Lave's out, Shaheed's out,
They're already missing Ruiz, A ton of guys are injured.
Denver is favored on the road. But I did find
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it funny looking at some of these Sean Payton quotes
from a couple of years ago. Is he basically just
shorted the franchise? He just quit on him? And I
read his quotes on the day that he gave the
press conference. Sometimes you're like, hey, you know I need
I'm just I can't coach right now. I need to
take a deep breath. I need to go away for
a while. Coaching is not even on my mind. I
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just want to go play golf, hang out with my family.
I just need a reset. He was basically like, yeah,
I plan on coaching again. Just do a little TV.
I hate the word retirement, he said that. He's like,
I used to talk about Tom Benson, who had passed
away by then, had always told him like how overrated
retirement is. And I agree with that, Like, unless you're
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fucking Tiger Woods, you ain't playing golf every day. Like
retirement is something that gives me the heb gbs. It
sounds very boring. You need some purpose and things to
do in life. And Sean Payton was like, yeah, I
plan on coming back to coach. He saw the writing
on the wall. They had no quarterback, they were in
cap hell, and he just punted on their franchise and said,
I'm out. I saw a headline to a couple of
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people that I follow on Twitter that write for some
of the local newspapers. I can't read the articles because
they're behind a payroll, but basically saying like, there are
still a lot of people within the Saints that aren't
really happy how it ended. Don't blame them. It's like
I'm out. Here's Dennis Allen, good luck, godspeed, double middle fingers.
A couple of years later, he gets ninety million, he
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gets to hand pick his quarterback, living in Denver, living good.
I mean, it's it's you know, his mentor was Bill Parcels.
It was very Bill Parcells. I'm just gonna do whatever
the fuck I want and I don't give a shit
in the wake of my decision who it impacts now.
You could argue for Dennis Allen, who was defensive coordinator,
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pretty incredible, got him a huge raise, let him be
a head coach again. Obviously it hasn't gone well, but
you don't see that very often. A guy just basically
looking at his roster knowing he screwed for the next
couple of years because they're not bad enough to ever
draft high. I'm sure he regretted the Mahomes thing from
a couple of years previously. And to say I'm out,
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see guys, it's like, well, are you just quitting coaching. No,
I'll be back probably in I don't know, nine months.
It won't be that long. You'll see me on TV
for a little bit as I'm taking calls, and I'll
be in my office probably January first, with a with
a franchise. And that's exactly what happened in the Saints,
who Listen, we can nitpick Sean Payton where he falls
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on the hierarchy, but he's he's much higher than anything
the Saints are gonna get, especially compared to Dennis Allen.
And he just left Upie and Dry and now he's
coaching somewhere else. So if I was a Saints fan,
I think most places if this happened, if it happened
in college football down there, Like if Brian Kelly just
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quit and then all of a sudden, the next two
years later he's at Florida, kick it ass, He'd be like,
what's going on? Can you imagine? You can't really use
Sirianni and McCarthy, but you know, the coach is having
success of the Cowboys, of the Eagles, of the Bears,
just doing this, I think it would be a much
bigger story. You know, it is kind of nuts. Did
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he just pulled this off pretty seamlessly? I know this
If Kyle Shanahan in a couple of years is like, Eh,
don't really love this brock pretty contract. Our team's not
that good. I'm just you gonna kick it like you're
just done coaching. Nah, I mean I plan on being
back like coaching is in my future. I'll be somewhere
in a couple of years now. They got a first
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round pick for him, they had a trade for him,
but still like that sucks. You would rather have Sean
Payton than the draft pick. Mike Sando wrote this kind
of in depth, as he does like every Monday article
about this to Shaun Watson. I mean, he hit on
a lot of stuff, but one of the things he
hit on was that DeShawn Watson situation. And he's guaranteed
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forty six million dollars next year, he's guaranteed forty six
million dollars the year after that. Their cap implications are
obviously not ideal that they if they cut him now,
it would accelerate and they'd have like one hundred and
seventy million dollars of dead cap space. They could do
post you know, June one and all this stuff. But
one thing that has been floated is some of these teams,
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let's just use the Patriots teams that have a lot
of cap space. Could you include draft picks, which you're
not technically supposed to do, but what I don't think
the league is gonna make a big stink. Could you
include a couple first round picks with the Sean Watson
to a team with a bunch of cap space. And
my first reaction when I read this, and I've heard
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some people talk about it, like, one, why would you
want to ruin your cap especially if you have a
rookie quarterback. The most powerful thing of the rookie quarterback
beside him being a good player on the field, is
he doesn't make that much money, so it allows you
to build your team. And then I started thinking, like,
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I'm not the biggest free agency guy because most players
that hit free agency aren't exactly difference makers. Doesn't mean
you can't get starters, and a team like the Patriots
would gladly buy a guard here, a center here, a
tackle there, But you're not exactly getting you know Jim
Auto and Jonathan og did in free agen. That's not
the way it works. So if you could now, if
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I'm the Browns, it looks like they're headed toward a
couple wins. Right, So if they stay on this trajectory,
their first round draft picks got potential to be like third.
You could argue, like the third overall pick in this draft,
which clearly has some high end guys, would you just
do that straight up. It's like, well, what if you
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could Because you're the Patriots, you're gonna suck too. What
if you have like the second and third pick and
you can trade back with one of those picks because
you already have a quarterback to someone trading up, and
the other pick you get like Travis Hunter, So you
can come out of this draft with like Travis Hunter
your starting tackle, and a bunch of other picks in
future years. Is it worth it to you to take
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you know, one hundred million dollar hit for a year
and my first When I've been thinking about this is like, no,
I would rather just have the flexibility. I would entertain
it depending on where their picks are. Now, if you're
the Browns, your only hope to pivot because even if
you do clear of the books, if you get rid
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of the picks, because that's the only way you could
ever unload him to another team is attached the asset,
which is so obviously would take a lot. I mean
it would take more than the number one overall pick.
It might take like a first this year and two seconds.
But don't you need those picks? Wouldn't you just say
fuck it? This guy is deadweight? The it's already water
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under the bridge. You know, the contracts a contract, don't
we want to use that pick on potentially a quarterback?
Like that's really our only way out. So it's basically
only if the owner wants to get out of paying
the cash. And that's I think the crappy part about
this entire Brown situation is it feels like it's just
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under the control of Jimmy Haslm, who a lot like
Woody Johnson has a track record of just being alone,
and the coach and the GM couple Ivy League guys
feel like they have no control out of this. I'm wrong.
I don't know about Andrew Berry's influence on this, but
I can't imagine that they are pounding the table right
now for Deshaun Watson. And like I said, it's no
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longer a story every single week when Stefanski says, Deshaun
Watson's going to be our starting quarterback, like, we get it.
We know a couple other things. This Jerry Jones story
that you know, Jerry's a one of a kind. He's
the only owner in the NFL who, after the Cowboys
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win or lose, the number one person to talk to
is not the quarterback. Is not the coach, it's not
one of the star position players. It's the owner. He's
the only guy who every single week gives a press
conference essentially in the locker room. That's unprecedented. Then two
days later, on Tuesday morning, he goes on I think
it's one oh five to three. I think it's the
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fan in Dallas, and he gives a weekly a weekly interview.
For most of you that live in your markets, you know,
who who ever has your football team? Right, whoever has
the Bears, whoever have the Eagles, whoever has you know
in San Francisco it's the canbr has the Niners. You
get the head coach and the GM on a weekly basis.
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And then with these deals, one oh five to three
has the Cowboys, you get access to their players. It's
part of the contract. But Jerry's getting grilled by these
guys and he freaks and he's pissed off, and he
essentially says, I pay your salary, which is kind of
funny to me because actually the way the business works
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is the radio station pays the Cowboys for the rights
to do their games. And honestly, in radio, and when
I was in radio, we had the Raiders, and I
did some stuff at CANBR who had the Niners that
the games actually aren't that valuable the actual game because
they're all on Sundays. Well, you get paid or you
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bill people advertising wise, basically six am to six pm
or seven pm Monday through Friday. So the actual property
of the games, unlike baseball or basketball that is played
during the work week, it's not as powerful that way.
Where it is though, is it gives you access to Jerry,
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to Mike McCarthy, to Dak, to the players, and that
is really valuable. Now. I think the hard part about
this is I see both sides that I give credit
to these two radio hosts for going at Jerry, because
when you are in business with these teams, even though
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you're paying them, you need them. And Jerry knows it,
even if Jerry's just saying this because he's used to
saying I pay you, well, not actually Jerry, they pay you.
But you do have the leverage here. Now. I don't
know how long the contract is, but they need the
Cowboys property just like all in all these markets. Whoever
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has the Dodgers, whoever has the Yankees, whoever has the Giants,
Like it's very, very valuable to the radio station. But
I once upon a time, you used to work for
a station with an NFL team, and I used to
be given free reign, say whatever you want, do not hesitate,
as long as you don't make it personal, let it rip.
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And I would really piss off the Raiders and they
would get really really mad about things. I would say, uh.
And this was during a time when they were moving
and they would make threats a lot of the time.
But my boss at the time said, don't just as
long as you're not making fun of like Mark's haircut,
like if you're just talking about how shitty they were.
And they were a team that was barely winning like
four or five games, and they were moving so or
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trying to move at the time, and I used to
make fun of them a lot for that. But I
learned a valuable lesson. When you are in business with
these people and the company wants to stay in business,
those people can get rid of you. And Mark Davison
mainly Mark Bdain, his president, who was his right hand man,
majure I was fired and they replaced me with a
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guy that actually worked for the Raiders, and I remember
like six months later, having cocktails with Greg Papa, who
now calls the games for the Niners, who was a
longtime voice to the Raiders, He's like, yeah, you had
no chance man during negotiations, like some of their checkpoints
were get rid of this guy. And this is a
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slippery slope when you work for these people that have
these properties, and that property is so valuable to the company.
If I ran Odyssey, who owns this station, the cowboys
are more important to me and that property of being
in business with them, even though we're cutting them millions
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of dollars than any radio host I have, which is
just a reality of the business. And I give these
guys credit for not giving a shit, but like, if
Jerry wants these guys gone, they will be gone, you know.
And I listen. Ever since I've been in the podcast world,
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I can say whatever I want. I might piss some
people off individually, but I don't answer to anybody in
terms of the teams, because if I did, and I've
done it before, I know that's not a great environment
for me. And I think sometimes you see these people,
you know, on ESPN or at a radio station, you
kind of lose sight of like how the business works, right,
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who you need in business, this is where you get
your money. So I do kind of agree with Jerry
of like, listen, you guys are just giving it to me,
like you guys need my fucking business. Let's never get
this twisted. And this is the hard part about the
Cowboys is like their business is more important to everybody.
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I don't talk as much about them, probably as they should,
but definitely local TV, ESPN or whatever like you need them,
and especially in the local market, you need that property
because that funnels you the players and the coaches and
obviously Jerry who again the radio station. I'm not even
sure Jerry forces them to pay. He might just hey,
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get a sponsor give it to charity. But usually any
guests you have on is also compensated. So it's like
you got to pay to play because you want to
pay to play because you need them. When I was
in the Bay Area, we didn't have the Giants or
the forty nine ers. Well guess what, having the Raiders
in the A's And this is why I thought I
was untouchable, because like, the Raiders don't even rate, who
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gives a shit? The Niners are more important and we
would pay forty nine or players Giants players to be
weekly guests even though we had the other two teams,
because we couldn't sustain business with those two properties. And
since I've left, they bought the Golden State Warriors because
you have to have powerful local teams in sports radio
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to really make Hay. Anyone that watched the documentary on
Francesa and Chris Russo, they all admitted, like part of
our success had to do with we were in business
with the New York Football Giants, the New York Knicks,
and the New York Rangers. They all happen to be
pretty good in the nineties, especially the Rangers and the Knicks.
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It helped business because who do they get every week?
You know? Or in the early night Bill Parcells, pat Riley,
like Mark Messier. You get access to those guys, and
like in my business right now, I'm not determined for
my financial success as a podcast entity is not determined
by one other property. If it was like, hey, you're
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in business with the AFC. Let's say, and every single
week I get any quarterback I want from the AFC
and any coach I want, I would probably in the
it went through the NFL, probably wouldn't be taking shots
at Roger Goodell, right, because I would be making a
lot off what they're giving me. Just the way business works.
And I think sometimes people in media lose sight because
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they're like, well, I'm a journalist. It's like, no, you're
in this all business. Like the reason newspapers went down,
they were all they ever were were a distribution of ads.
That's that was the business. And then less and less
and less and less people read newspapers. Their model got fucked,
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and it's why the only way they can make money
now is to charge you a monthly fee because they
know you don't get it from your driveway anymore. Are
Like one thing that has hurt local radio music and
talk radio is this, why would I do you listen
to local radio to hear music in your car anymore?
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Probably not, especially people my age and younger. They wouldn't
know the local radio station if they unless they're from
that area. If you know, you offer them one hundred
thousand dollars, they couldn't even guess. So ultimately, like listen,
Jerry's worked up, but like he's not totally wrong. I
mean he's wrong in the sense that like he doesn't
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cut their check to pay them. But like you're in
business with the fucking cowboys, and there's a line of like, hey,
you can push someone, but hey, like you're fucking station.
Part of the reason I'm and I they're one of
the top stations, I think, the top sports station in Dallas.
It's like being in business with them, that's kind of important,
you know, that's that's that's the whole thing, and that
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you're success. If you don't think your success tied to that,
you know, you're high on uh some pretty good stuff.
The other thing, And again, I'm not even pushing back
on what those guys said to Jerry, because the Cowboys
are in shambles. They got a lot of issues. But
like if I was Jerry, like I'm just gonna let
you guys bend me over, Like that's that's just how
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it's gonna work, especially after I just got my ass kicked,
You're gonna me the fucking village idiot. Like I probably
would have said the same thing if I was eighty
years old. It might have been even meaner. And last,
but not least, the morning package Florio is riding about today.
You could see this thing coming from a mile away.
I just hope it's bad games because like I can
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get up on the West coast for for Aaron Rodgers,
or if I'm in a plane to watch Caleb Williams,
but like Patriots Jags, Like is this gonna be a thing?
And the answer is yes. I think the only question
now is it gonna be ten games a year? Is
it gonna be fifteen games a year? I don't know,
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but it's pretty clear where this is headed. Thursday Night
Football netted the NFL from Amazon. I think over eight
hundred million dollars a year per year. They just developed
it out of nowhere. So if you could sell a
separate package on Sunday mornings, it wouldn't go as high
as what CBS, Fox and those people are paying for
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their total packages, which I think all under the one
umbrella equals like close to like ten billion dollars. But
if you get a couple million dollars the Apple Pay
or Netflix, hey we just get twelve games a year
six thirty am Pacific standard time window, all the games
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in Europe. That's gonna happen. Okay, let's bang out some
mail bag questions. You guys know the drill at John
Mitaloffe is the Instagram fire in those dms for the
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bag Raider fan, cow girls hater love your content? What
are the best landing spots for Jalen Milroe? I think
the cultsure ideal indoors division with week defense is great
play caller with a history of developing dual threat quarterbacks.
They need insurance for often injured Anthony Richardson. Seattle could
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be an option with their OC. Grubb has a working
relationship with Debor. If the Steelers implode, they could be
an option as well. I was pretty intoxicated during the
Vanderbilt Alabama game at Draftking sports book down the street
from my house, so I'd be lying if I said
I had a great breakdown of Jalen's performance. I was
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at the red River game, so I didn't get to
watch him play South Carolina, so I don't think it's
quite The Vanderbilt game clearly wasn't his fault. The defense
was atrocious. I have no take on how we looked
last week. I know they barely squeaked by. It's safe
to say the buzz and the hype has slown down
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a little bit. The cults are not taking a quarterback
I mean, the cults are going to ride this out
a couple of years, right or wrong. I actually thought
last night when I saw Flacco say something like Joe
Flacco is getting resigned for the Colts, like he's just
gonna be around, like they're not letting him go. Now,
we'll see. I saw Anthony Richardson. You know, I think
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he's gonna be healthier, He's probably gonna play this week.
What if he plays and they lose, I think they
would just roll with Flacco. I don't know. I think
we got a lot to play out with these quarterbacks.
I think, beside Shadoor and cam Ward, I don't think
any of these cats look like top picks. You know,
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Jalen did in that game against Georgia, now can he
maintain it? But Anthony Richson definitely wasn't nearly as good
as Jalen Milroe in college and went forth overall. So
you can never underestimate the power of quarterback inflation. But
I don't really I don't really have a great idea
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yet where all these guys are gonna go. Little ways
away from even projecting the draft, because if you look
at some of the shitty teams, the Titans will need
a quarterback. The Panthers pretty big wild card, you would say,
the Jags and the Browns if they don't win many games.
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We know the Jags aren't drafting a quarterback. They gave
him two hundred million dollars. The Browns are a pretty
big wildcard too. Long time listener to the pod, I
know you bang on the Browns and Watson constantly and rightfully,
so I actually like Stefanski and I like a lot
of the guys on their team, and Jim Schwartz is
obviously a good defensive coordinator. It's more just it's one
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of the worst business decisions we've ever seen, right. I mean,
he did not even want to be a Brown he
told them no. And I think the Saints and definitely
the Panthers got very, very lucky. Forty nine ers were
sniffing around too. I think it's crazy looking back with
everything going on, You know what, the lesson it shows you,
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and this is the Doc Rivers thing, like, your talent
has to outweigh your problems. Everyone thought he was such
an elite player, so it's like, yeah, he's got I
love it when people comment like he's he's has been
found Uh, none of these have been substantiated, and he
hasn't gone to jail and no chords. Like, guys, let's
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use fucking common sense here. I never feel comfortable talking
about a one on one situation, he said. She said,
I never do. But I'm forty years old. I've seen
a lot of these situations being a sports fan, right
with guys in some situations that are kind of sketchy.
We have never seen anything like this. All these chicks
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are massuses, and they're all saying the same thing. One
It'd probably be impossible because even if a dude is
sleeping with his messuse, he's going to the same freaking massuse, right,
you're not, Like, it's not a vending machine. No one
mixes up their massuses, if maybe one or two. But
this guy was doing it. Like just let's just use
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our brains, like this guy clearly had an issue. Now
what happened in those I wasn't there, You weren't there,
But like to go, this guy is beyond a sketchy
character like that that was your thing? Like I like
my quarterbacks. Deshaun Rich dude, good looking. You shouldn't need
to try this hard to get laid that'd be my thing.
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It's like, bro, most of these fucking quarterbacks should be
a guy walking the bar like here for the sex.
I mean, he's shooting fish in a barrel. And then
you got this situation. You're like, bro, I can't take
you seriously at all, let alone, like, I don't even
want to. I'm not even comfortable being around you. If
I was one of his teammates, definitely. Can you imagine
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some of his teammates like wives and girlfriends like side
eye on him if they ever go to functions. But
I think looking back, what's crazy is that all these
teams wanted them because they just thought he was tough.
They thought he was like Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen
and Lamar Jackson, like Okay, if he gets in trouble, whatever,
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but it's worth it. Turns out he sucks. It's just
crazy how it played up. He just sent me a
bunch of stats. Yeah, they're pretty ugly, diehard Titan fan like,
I just can't have my quarterback having situations. I mean, period,
point blank into story, like my quarterback. The only situation
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I should ever have with my quarterback is contract situations,
Like if we want to argue about that. It's business
part of the deal. I'm talking a lot of money.
I don't mind that, but I can't have any other things.
I should have zero issues and look at the top quarterbacks.
Patrick Mahomes has he ever had an issue? Honestly, the
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only issues he has is like with his brother, which
he can't control. Lamar Jackson. The only issue they've ever
had is the contract stuff. Josh Allen, no issues, no issues. CJ.
Stroud been in the league now a year and a half,
no issues, Perty, no issues, Dack no issues, Like I
like my guys have no issues. If you get issues
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with twenty four massusas like what are we talking about?
In what world? Could you have a conversation with someone
else and be like, yeah, this guy's got a little
bit of a problem on his hands. Like let's just
say you described this to someone that does not know sports,
and you were just trying to describe him to this John
Watson Situations like yeah, this guy's demanding a trade. The
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person might ask, is the team not willing to pay him? No, Actually,
he's under a massive contract. He got extended after his
third year, So what is team bad? Well, actually, you know,
for the last six seven years. For the most part,
they've been pretty good. Is a high tax state no
actually no state income tax. He plays in Houston, but
he does have twenty plus massage therapists claiming that he
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forced them to have sex and give him handies. What
do you think the average person, when you were describing
that situation, how they would Respond'd be like, it's that
sounds kind of crazy to me. Like he said, she said,
I bet he's probably innocent. I mean, come on, it's
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pretty wild. It's kind of crazy honestly that he's just
still playing. Titans fan season ticket holder was just there
last week. Your new stadium is probably gonna be pretty sweet.
I was all in, but after watching Levis this past
Sunday in this season, I've decided I'm ninety five percent
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sure he's not the guy I would imagine you and
your other season ticket holders are not alone. I don't
love the quarterbacks in this upcoming draft. Yours is good
but gets hurt, Chador is good but has some serious
baggage with his dad, and don't love any of the others.
If Kirk Cousins continues balling out, do you think the
Titans could trade a second or a first for Pennis.
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Titans get a potential answer quarterback and the Falcons get
some draft capital to help maximize their Super Bowl window.
That's a good question. I think if you're the Falcons,
Pennix would basically be off limits because one cousins is
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thirty six, thirty seven years old, and you use this
very valuable draft capital that you could have taken, you know,
a ton of different players, offensive lineman, defensive linemen. You
couldn't take a skill guy because you've done that like
fifteen years in a row. But I think you just
write it out. I think you just keep saying no,
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I don't think you would would give the asset away.
So I would imagine unless you would pay, you know,
an astronomical amount in terms of draft capital, like give
your one, which is obviously going to be high and
even more, that they would even entertain it. Been a
daily listener for a while now, wish we could see
some more go low content. But I digress. You know, golf,
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The problem is when football starts, it just has to
get put to the back burner. It just does. And
I fall even the off season closely, Like I had
money on the President's Cup, I keep an eye on
some of these random tournaments, but I see the numbers
of people watching, and for the most part, some of
the stories are just like, I just don't care that
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Greg Norman is not going to be the CEO anymore
or these stories. I just I have to talk football.
I'd be doing everyone, starting with myself and the company
and the partners that I'm in business with a disservice.
So it's just it sucks. But that's why We're going
to do more golf videos where I play, have some
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lined up playing with some people. Hopefully get back on
the horse and the saddle with that over the next
couple of weeks. I haven't played golf in a couple weeks,
kind of miss it. The NFC North is obviously the
best division in football, as most people predicted through six weeks.
Can you rank the quarterbacks? In my opinion, it goes
love golf, Williams, then Donald. What you need to see
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in their future head to have matchups to change this order.
If Williams goes and beats up on golf, will it
change or do you need to see all four quarterbacks
finish the year? Well, I think that's a little overreaction.
To Sam Donald's game against the Jets, where obviously it
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was his worst game of the season. He lit up
the Niners. Who else they play? He lit up not
the Jets, the Texans. So it's like, I have a
hard time just you have one if he game on
the road and just saying the guy's dead last. So
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to me, I think Love and Golf are just in
their own tier. You know, Love's had some sketchy moments,
but he's also had just like I'm like Josh Allen
Patrick Mahomes moments. He makes throws where you're like, uh, yeah,
that's top five quarterback in the league. Now, he also
can throw the ball to the other team. He can
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get a little uh, he can just get squirrely. That's
how I describe him. He can get squirrely, but he
can make some passes where you're like, holy shit, they're
to me the scariest Now that Hutchinson is injured, which
is just such a devastating injury. It really it just sucks,
it really does. Goss played really really well, but Goafs
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played at a really high level now for three years,
like you kind of know what Gough is. I think
the question marks are loving GoF can they just go
on a superheater in the playoffs like those those are
plays teams. You would say Minnesota is a locked playoff team.
I mean because the I mean I look at I mean,
they went that back to back stretch of beating the
Niners and the Texans was pretty damn impressive. But you know,
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you never want to peak too early. They got these
games coming up. All of a sudden, you beat the Lions.
If they beat the Lions, I don't see under any
scenario how they wouldn't be a playoff team. I guess
Darnold could get hurt and with JJ being out that
their quarterback situation will be a mess. But you go
six to zero and you just beat the Lions, you
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got six games, so you would have eleven left. Like
what's the worst they're going to do in eleven? Like five,
even if they went five and six, that would mean
they went eleven and six. That's getting you into the playoffs.
And they're probably not going you know, five and six
over eleven game stretch. I think the Bears are a
pretty big wildcard that they would be my team that listen,
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I'm not not trying to hate. You can only beat
the teams you're supposed to play, and you've gone from
a shitty team to beating the crap out of bad teams.
That's a huge step forward. But I gotta see Caleb
do it against better defenses. What's good? John, big fan
of the pod. I've been listening since my senior year
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of high school and now I'm a junior must be
in college. My question would one more defensive Player of
the Year and another season of two of his usual
dominant push TJ above JJ all time. TJ will likely
play longer and have better numbers, but I'm not sure
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he can match JJ's three defensive Players of the Year.
TJ already has won plus the sack record sack title
three times, but I think JJ winning three has hurt
him during awards due to voter fatigue. He's finished third
and second twice in the race. What say you? TJ's
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a remarkable player, and I think we talked about him
a couple of weeks ago when were they playing who
they Oh? The Sunday night against Cowboys. Remember texting some
buddies like how'd this guy go thirtieth in the draft,
And every single person that responded, You know, college scouting
directors just you know, high level executives were like, he
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did not look like this in college. And even JJ,
I wouldn't say was exactly like you know, Miles Garrett
or Chase Young or some just all time prospect coming
out of college. He was clearly good. But I saw
I'm biased because I saw JJ play live a couple
times in the peak of his powers, and it looked
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like Aaron Donald meets Lawrence Taylor. He was in his peak.
I would say, of the last twenty years, there's a
very very short list, and I would put I would
say that is better at his peak than TJ, partly
because he could go inside and outside, Like you can
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put him over center, you can put him over guard,
you can put him at an end. Fuck, you can
play tight end. I mean he was just JJ was
an unstoppable for us. Now, like you said, over the
course of a career, if TJ plays at a higher
because once JJ started getting injured, he started kind of
fell apart. It's a good question. I don't think TJ
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necessarily gets docked because of his brother. I think he
gets docked because there's just a really good crop of players,
right like Miles Garrett, who won it last year, Miles Garrett.
Don't have to look up the defensive Players of the
Year because it's just a hard award to win. So
TJ won in twenty one, Bosa won it in twenty two,
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Miles Garrett won it in twenty three. I mean, let's
just go off the list since jj Watt won his
first one twenty twelve, JJ Watt twenty thirteen, Luke Keikley
twenty fourteen, JJ Watt two has fifteen JJ Watt that's
when I saw him live. It's like, Holy Moly, twenty sixteen.
Khalil Mack, who I went to eight or nine Raider
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games that year. I guess it would only be eight
and sixteen. I went to them all, all the home games.
He was fucking so good, uh seventeen Donald eighteen Donald nineteen,
Little Curveball Gilmour twenty, Donald twenty one, TJ. It's just hard,
it really is. I would say that JJ is a
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better player than TJ in his peak, and TJ's damn good.
But I don't think there's anything wrong with You could
argue that tj' has already established himself as a as
a Hall of Famer, which is probably not breaking news.
Couple more. I'm a lifelong Chiefs fan. I grew up
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watching Derek Thomas and Neil Smith Arrowhead with my father,
good memories. I grew up watching those guys on television.
When I think Monday Night football when I was a
kid in the nineties my house in Davis, I think,
I think Chiefs Marty Schottenheimer like Chiefs Broncos ninety eight
when I was like, hold what I have been in
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ninety eight fourteen. My question is this, there are some
decided drawbacks of being a winning franchise like the Ravens,
Buffalo Niners, of course Kansas City. You get a tougher
schedule in a lower draft position. The Chiefs are getting
what we consider a terrible bye week five, which makes
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for a long second half of the year. Wouldn't it
be cool to reward the top teams with a bye
week draft where the teams are ranked after the season
is over and they go top to bottom and fill
up the bye weeks as the team selects their preference. Thanks.
I think the hard part about doing that is yes,
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you know, the Chiefs get a lot of all the
teams you named are a huge part of the business
of the league in terms of Monday Night football, Sunday
Night Football, Thursday night football. So to make the schedule
you have to include all these thirty two teams that
you were kind of indifferent to when their buya is now.
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I hear what you're saying. Shouldn't you get the benefit
of being able to choose your buy if you're good,
just like the teams that suck at the high picks.
But I don't think that would be possible in terms
of the way the league does the schedule, which is
obviously very very complicated. Love the pod, really enjoy your segments.
I think Mulligan Monday would be a great addition to
(47:44):
the lineup. I've never understood this, so maybe you can
help me. But I don't see why teams with under
two minutes that are down more than a field goal
and just scored don't at least try an onside kick.
Wouldn't it make sense to give yourself two shots at
potentially getting the ball back. I was watching the Niner
Seahawks game and with one forty seven left and three timeouts,
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Seattle decided to kick it deep. Is it potential field
position issue? If the team that's up, recovers the on
side kick on the forty and gets stopped. Then the
team that's down would have to start the potential game
winning drive from the twenty five or shorter, first kicking
it deep, making a stop, and getting the punt around
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the forty to start the potential game winning drive. At
that point in the game, wouldn't a potential onside kick
recovery outweigh the extra fifteen yards in field position? What
am I missing? I think you're simply missing that. The
execution of an onside kick feels as likely as me
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handing you an eight iron and taking you out to
a golf course and telling you to hit a hole
in one. Now, obviously I would say an onside kicks
more likely than a hole in one. But let's be real.
When we're sitting on our couch or a coach on
the sideline, the head coach, and he is forced to
do an onside kick, what level of confidence does he
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have that that's gonna work. It's basically slimm to none.
And if I kick the onsidekick, the momentum of my
potential comeback. Again. I'm not talking analytics. There might be
numbers that say you should I just feel like the
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what's the likelihood of an onside kick working? If I
had to guess over the last thirty years one percent?
Where what's the percentage of getting a three and out?
Now you can't just go what's the percentage of getting
a three and out over the course of twenty years,
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because what's the percentage of getting a three and out
in that individual situation? It feels relatively high because most
teams are not gonna have the balls to throw it.
So if you just stop the run, even the bills
the other day, right, like, what do they do? Did
they throw it to put the nail on the coffin? No,
they did a fake handoff and then they had Josh run.
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But most people and if their defensive end just keeps contained,
like his number one job, you cannot lose contain. Now,
I love when coaches say that were former players he
lost contained. Well, even if he had contained, is there
a chance that Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or Kyler
Murray or some of these guys that can really move
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and juke and run by guys, you would have contained them? Like, yeah,
he would contain most people. But there are certain players
that even if you have contained like he had great coverage,
and then Randy Moss jumped over his head. You know
he's he had he had a good pass set and
then Khalil back lifted him off the ground and drove
him into the quarterback. I love that because people coaches like,
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you gotta hold the edge. You can't bite, you can't
Well what if he didn't bite and he was just
standing there? Yeah, you give yourself a better shot, right
because you're not ten yards down the line of scrimmage
and the guy can just walk for it first down.
But even if you are, especially if it's like Lamar,
who you betting on? Yeah? So when on that one
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we got up. Maybe I'll save some of these for
a little weekend mail bag on Friday. But let's attempt
to enjoy the Thursday night game and it'll be interesting.
Do they de Sean Payton just get universal cheer? He should,
but he also quit on these guys, so I'm fascinated
to see the reaction, especially if he's kicking their ass,
which he might. The volume
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