September 12, 2026 • 31 mins
Former NFL stars Jarvis Landry and Leonard Fournette react to a BRUTAL opening night in Seattle, where the defending champion Seahawks came from behind to beat the New England Patriots 13-10 after Drake Maye threw THREE PICKS. Landry and Fournette break down the AJ Brown ankle injury and the Sam Darnold injury that changed the game for both offenses, then get BRUTALLY honest about why they NO LONGER believe Drake Maye is the future of the New England Patriots.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Juan, we back with a late night special. You already
know what it is. Listen, listen, the topic of the
day is Drake, May, throw it away. Let's talk about it.
May for free. For free. Listen, May went for 23
of 33 for 178 yards. One touchdown.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Three interceptions that a blind man could have thrown, right?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Passed the rate for 54.9 rating. Oh, my God. Yeah, bro. Listen,
the end of the game. Talk to me. As a
one-wire receiver, you see him make a throw like that.
What's going through your mind?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I ain't going to lie, I'm walking the sideline just
shaking my head. I don't even know what my natural
reaction would be. Honestly, it probably would be to pick
him up, but in my head I'd be thinking, bro,
we in.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Field goal range, bro. What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I think this is another example of Drake Mays showing
his immaturity at the position. The more I think that
he's going to progress, which in the first half he
looked amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
In the first half, he looked confident. He looked dangerous.
He used his legs when he needed to. He didn't
hold on to the ball. He wasn't forcing anything to A.J.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Brown.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
And it seemed like, Leonard, bro, it seemed like to me,
I don't know, it seemed like once A.J. Brown went out,
it seemed like he went back to February. Like he
had a flashback into how the Super Bowl went. And
he just turned into a different player. Like a tale
of two halves. He went from being an MVP candidate
to being the worst quarterback in the NFL in one quarter.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Like, It was awful.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Listen, I agree with you, right? But also, let's give
credit to the Patriots, right? Also, you can tell. They
watched film from the Super Bowl. They've learned, right? They
were dialing up some decent plays. For the first two halves,
it looked like old school LSU and Bama football running duo,
smash mouth football, you know, inch by inch. Also, I
(02:10):
felt like they used the Seahawks' aggressiveness against them. Right?
Went with the spoon, blitzed off the nickel, boom. The
wide receiver ran a little bubble roll. They had 10,
15 yards. You need that here and there. But the
game plan was there. The QB, hey, I don't know
what we got to do. Drake May, listen, holler at me.
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And it's not just Drake May, the wide receiver. Romeo,
what is it, Dobbs?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Oh, man.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Did you see that? Listen, that drop made a difference, right?
This is when I say the little things in football matters, right? Now,
they probably practiced that play, what, Monday might be running style,
you know what I'm saying? But Thursday and Friday, that's
third and fourth down days.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
We know that.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Cannot drop that, right? I've seen this man make plays
when he was at Green Bay. There's no way in
the world you dropped it. And I know how he
was feeling. He knew they lost because of that play.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And guess what? It happened.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, to me, they ain't lose because of that play.
They lost because of Drake May. They lost because of
the decision he made.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
On the next play.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
And then when they got the ball back, the decision
that he made to end the drive, that ended the game.
I think as much as you can look at Romeo Dobbs' play,
I still think the decision-making of Drake May is what
this game came down to. And because of the, I
don't know, his lack of experience or him, again, being
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shaky back there. I said this prior to this show.
I said, I want to see Drake May play. show up,
be confident. And he did that in the first half.
And then in the second half, he became a whole
nother person. And it showed, you know, Seattle left with
a plus two, well, plus three turnover margin. And I
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think the game, you know, never even flipped. I think
New England did a great job defensively against Seattle. I
think they held their own against the run. I think
they limited the JSN impact like as much as they
possibly could.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Drew Luck, I thought he stepped up. He played great.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
But at the same time, despite the turnovers, that New
England Patriots still had a chance, Leonard.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, they did. They did. I can say this, right?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Despite of the three picks, Drake May gave, I mean,
he accepted what they gave him, right? Everybody, I think,
but I'm going to tell you this. The Seahawks are
playing on third down, deep three, right? The running back
on a swing route.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Checking them down.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
First down, right? Let's talk about that. Listen, they got
negatives and positives in here, right? They got negatives and positives.
I can positively say the Patriots' front line came to play.
Despite the little bit of holding calls here and there, Will,
my LSU brother, you did your fucking thing. That's the
way you rebound, but now do it consistently so you
can be the top left tackle.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
In the league, right?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
We're not going to just talk about the bad and
the good.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Talk about everything. Drew Locke. He shows you. You never
know when your number going to be called, but be prepared. Oh,
my God. Listen to the dots he was throwing. Oh,
my God. Bro, Drew Locke looked so good.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I ain't going to lie, bro. It's like he put
that ox in and put that Jeezy on.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And he got in that zone again and locked in.
I really love that, like you say, man, and you
made a great point. He showed up into a game.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
On the fifth play. On the fifth play.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
They say stay ready so you ain't have to get ready.
I think Drew Locke stepped into the game and he
did exactly what he needed to do, right? Losing your
starter on the fifth play of the game. And then
especially on open night of a game that has been
looked at and regarded as one of those games that
could define your season.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
It's the Super Bowl rematch.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah. That's not an easy assignment, right? But he didn't
have to come in and be Sam Darnold. He just
had to come in and be Andrew. I mean, come
in and be Drew Locke. He just had to come
in and play his game, hand the football off, make
the easy throws. And he made a couple of great throws.
Third down a Cooper Cup when they were one for
six on third down.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It was an.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Amazing one-handed catch. Amazing throw. Amazing throw, amazing spot. And then,
you know, you come back and you look at the
fourth and one, the decision to call a pass play
on the fourth and one.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
And we see the electricity of no other than the
offensive player of the year, JSN, taking a five-yard pass
40-something yards to the house, man. What was your reaction
when you saw he caught the ball and turned up
the field?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Like, did you know he was?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Once again, people, y'all might think I say this just
for fun, but five-star players make five-star plays.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
He turned the fourth and one to a 40-something, 45,
46-yard touchdown.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
To us, to the fans looking at this game, I
want you to know that's not regular. You got to
be a special guy. And not only that, right? You
see he was getting frustrated, but he kept with it.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah. He kept on pushing. Hey, hey, hey.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
You seen the number one rivalry versus the number one
DB today. That matchup was crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Christian, I said this too in
the show before this one.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I think Christian Gonzalez in the times that he was
matched up, which was more in the red zone, that
he was matched up with JSN, he held his own.
I think Christian Gonzalez was doing his thing.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I don't think JSN caught a pass.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
But the beauty about, and I said this prior to
this show as well, the beauty about JSN, you can
put him anywhere, you can put him on the field
at any time. In a fourth and one situation, You
have one of the smallest guys on your team on
the field and he makes the biggest play at the
time on fourth and one scoring a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And really shifting the momentum.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I think at that point too, you could feel the
electricity in the stadium change. You could feel the urgency
or maybe that's what happened to Drake May.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
He started paying attention to the.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Game a little bit more being that it was tighter
and they wasn't dominating the line of scrimmage and all
of these things and trying to force a play. And again,
you know, you look at the impact, like I said,
of JSN, he didn't do much tonight, but when they
needed him the most on a, it's like a fourth down,
He stepped up and handled this business, man.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
He really did. Listen, dog.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Let's be real, dog. You see how Drake made play today, right?
Was the schedule easy last year that he got MVP
running up?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Because I'm starting to have flashbacks. Like, you know what?
Maybe he did play some bullshit out there.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And today, it was supposed to be a prove-em game.
I don't see where he improved his game from as
far as decision-making.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Still immature.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
The Childish Strolls, the first half, he looked great the
first half. The second half, I feel like he got
away from his game. I don't know what it was, man. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Tale of two halves. Do you believe that not having A.J.
Brown out there affected him?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Of course. Yeah, of course. The wide receiver won, right?
It's not out there. I'm quite sure they made.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
a bond after practice, throwing a ball, stirring certain routes,
you know, getting familiar with each other, and he's not
out there. Now, when that happens, right, this is something
the greats do. You have to coach up everybody. The
same thing you do with A.J. Brown, you got to
do with the other ones, too. To figure out in
crunch time who's going to be the guy you throw
the ball to.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Now, A.J.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Brown out, right? I don't think he really had it.
And let's talk about A.J. Brown.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
A.J.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Brown, what? What did he have today? 25 yards? Yeah,
he had 25 yards on like three or four catches. Right,
and I felt like they could have used him more.
Talk about it. But they didn't, right? Talk about it.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I think one of the biggest plays they had with A.J.
Brown was the pass and ferns. They got him on
the goal line.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Talk about it. Perfect. But that fucking ball was on
the throw. Talk about it.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's a touchdown waiting to happen. So, yes, he got
the ankle injury right now. He didn't come back. He
was in the blue tents. But going forward, man, you
have to trust your guys. That crazy ass ball you
threw to him, that was an easy, easy touchdown. And
I like, number three, I like Pop. Pop was doing
his thing.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Feed him. Isn't he wide receiver too? Feed him.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
He was a mismatch with Weatherspoon on the outbroad to
the left. He's quick, he's fast, bruh. It's hard guarding
those type of guys in that slot. You gotta be
a dangerous guy to be in that slot to check somebody.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I want you to understand that. So use that, use that, man.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Do you think, Mike, do you think Josh McDaniels has
put too much trust in Drake May, especially early on? Obviously,
they had success early on last season, right? But do
you think he has too much trust in Drake May?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I can say this, brother. Who else they got? Yeah. Yeah,
but you have to. You got to trust him. Yeah.
Who you going to put back there?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I say that as a question because, like, you know,
as a play caller, you know, you could call a
game a little bit more conservatively, right? You know, like,
for instance, the two picks that he threw, he threw
three picks that he threw.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
He threw three picks on vertical routes, right?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
You mentioned, you know, Pop being open against Witherspoon early
in the game on an outbreaker, right? They went away
from that completely. You didn't see any more of that
happening throughout the game. You saw the checkdowns. You saw
Drake May using his feet. But my question is, you know,
now that I can frame the question better, it's like,
do you feel like Josh McDaniels, when in game situations,
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games like this, what we just saw, should pull the
reins back and be a little bit more conservative with
Drake May instead of letting him go out there and
make decisions that has inevitably cost him games?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I think as a coach, you have to understand your players.
And also, you have to understand the game. When the
game is on a line like that, playing against a
defense like that, right, just throwing the ball like, how
they was throwing the ball. Me, personally, I feel like
they was running the ball okay.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
It was decent, right?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
It wasn't eight yards of pop, but the three, the
two yards of pop, it adds up.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It adds up.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We've been knowing this since college, right? So, now, the
big plays in my head. And, bro, what's his name is?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Romeo Dobbs. Romeo, bro.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Listen, I'm going to keep going back to that because
that could have sealed the game. That could have sealed
the game. That could have took all the breath out
of the Seahawks. Going on that drive. But once again,
I'm going to say this again. Great players make great plays. Dobbs,
don't let that define who you are. I'm telling you,
but next time, try to fuck it up in practice,
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not in a big moment like that.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I'm being real.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
For hell. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
No, I think that's a play, of course, when you
look at it, it could have changed the trajectory of
the game, right? Because the next play, he throws an interception,
but to spin it back to A.J. Brown, it's a
prime example of why having a guy like A.J.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Brown go down.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Changes the trajectory of the New England Patriots and the
offense and the dynamic, you know, as they're forming their
identity throughout the season.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I do see this. If A.J.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Brown misses a meaningful time, I do see New England,
you know, going from maybe one of the leaders in
that division to, to possibly fall in third and fourth
in that division, depending on how much time A.J.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Brown missed.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Obviously, you look at the depth in the receiver room,
and you have Romeo Dobbs, you have Pop that you mentioned,
and Hollins, but this is where Keyshawn Booty was so
important to this football team.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Keyshawn. To me, inside the business, we never understand trades. Obviously,
they had better, I'm not going to say better, but
another goal in mind. But, and a guy like me
who dealt with ankle injuries, to me, it looked like
a high ankle sprain.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
You know, he couldn't put a lot of pressure on it.
Let's hope it is.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
But we all know, as the doctors tell us, it's
better for you to break your ankle.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
And then to deal with a sprained ankle. I'm letting
y'all know, it's an aggravated injury. You know, it never
really heals during the season because you got to make
your certain cuts, your certain plants. So, you know, speedy
recovery to my guy. But speaking on Keyshawn, they needed
him for this.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah. He'd be perfect for this.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Listen, he's the number two for sure. He's a for
sure number two. He's proven himself. Week in and week out,
he's made the big-time catch that he needs to sell
a game.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I don't know, man. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And he would have been the only guy maybe outside of–
he would have been the only guy outside of Dobbs
that have.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Had history with Drake May. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
You know, obviously, Hollins has as well. And Hollins is
more of a possession receiver. He's not somebody that, you know–
as a team, as an office, we count on every
Sunday to, to show up in big games and help
us win.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
He's a guy that's going to do his job, but
I respect Hollins and how he played a game, very
physical receiver, but this is where Keishon booty comes in,
his playmaking ability, the relationship that he's built with Drake may.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And, you know, not having them, it's, it's.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
It's, it showed, it showed with, with the lack of
plays being made later in the game. And also just
Drake majors making dumb decisions. Um, When you look at, Leonard,
when you look at New England moving forward, right, what
would you think is the biggest takeaway from this game
that outside of the turnovers that they should be looking
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at for next week?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
To be real, bro, I think they played a decent game, right?
If you can somehow get in your quarterback mind about
making crazy throws and taking and sometimes throwing away is
the best option.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So not forcing it.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Once again, as y'all, the people at home on third down,
they were playing deep three, right? It was taking away
a lot of hook routes, right? He tried to force
it up the seam. Man, that's when, and like he said,
he don't call on Tom Brady as much. That's when
you should call on guys like that. Understand the game
when they're going to disguise the defenses. I feel like
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the only missing piece is the quarterback at this point.
He was running the ball well. The defense played tremendously.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
And guess what? At the end of the game, you
got to expect that. The defense got tied. They're on
the field. They're on the field the majority of the time.
Am I wrong or right?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
No, you're right.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So I'm just going to say this, man, right?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
It's hard, right, when you have a quarterback that's not
playing up the part. But it's also harder when you
have a quarterback like on the Seahawks who got hurt
the fifth play of the game.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Now, we talk about the Patriots, right? Where the hell
do they go from here? bro, who knows? I don't,
I don't know where they go.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I think this is a, this is a, if you
are a new England Patriots fan, this is a tough
pill to swallow because you want to stay as optimistic
as you can about, you know, Drake may in this
football team, obviously all of the things that happened in
the off season was, was, was, it was awful and
kicking the football off and playing today was the best
thing that has happened to, to the new England Patriots
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in the last few months. But after this game, man,
you just kind of, I feel like you leave this,
you leave this after watching it with like a pit
in your stomach, bro. You know, obviously they didn't have
Travion Henderson today and he was hurt. Their running back
room wasn't at full strength. I will say you talk
about the Patriots running game, right? To me personally, I
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don't think they're explosive enough. I think Stevenson is a
good back, but I think they're missing some, some, some
more energy, some more juice. Yeah, some Leonard Fournette. Yeah,
they're missing some. No, I really do feel like that.
I feel like there's a lot of meat left on
the bone. Like he's a bigger back. But I think
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he doesn't run with enough.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Power.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, he don't run powerful enough for the size that
he is. And I think they're leaving yards out there.
They're leaving another two, three yards per carry out there.
And who knows, Travion Henderson comes, he maybe changed that
dynamic a little bit, but I think they're missing an
explosive element that can run, catch it, and win in space,
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you know?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Well, speaking of running backs, Price, until further notice, he
should be RB1 for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Right? He look elusive. He look, he look, he look,
he have flash of the Kenny Walker, right? Oh, he
look like him.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, but I think a little more quicker though. Like,
And he's fresh, right? He's off college, so he's fresh.
He's fresh as hell, right? That's going to play a
big part in their running game. But also, man, Donald,
I think he'll avoid a hip fracture, right?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Thank God.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
But I'm confident right now in Drew Luck going until
he's come back.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah. I'm confident in that.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
You know what? One thing, I'll go back to Jadarian Price.
I do think he's the running back of the future
until further notice. I like the way that Seattle came
out on the first play and ran the football. Like,
I talked about that at the show before this, like,
Go and make New England stop the run. They couldn't
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stop it last year. Let's see if they can stop
it this year. First play of the game, Seattle comes out,
goes for eight, nine yards. Next play, play action fake.
I thought they came out with a great plan before
Sam Darnold got hurt. And, you know, when you look
at Sam Darnold's injury, again, this is another injury that
changes the trajectory of this team. I think what holds
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this team together is getting that run game going behind Duloc.
And this defense, the defense, first of all, the defense
is going to hold them into these games and keep
these points low. But at the same time, again, I
think they go from contending in this division with the
Rams and the 49ers, who we're going to see tomorrow
on Netflix, to maybe being the third team in this
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division and falling outside of the playoffs, depending on how
much time Sam Donald misses. When I talked before about this,
Sam Donald is the perfect quarterback for the scheme of
the Seattle Seahawks. from an offensive standpoint, from a quarterback
management standpoint, from a guy that's going to make consistent throws,
I thought Sam Darnold time has come. He has finally
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arrived and he's playing in the right system under a
new offensive coordinator, but same philosophy, right? However, I just
feel like losing Sam Darnold and going with Drew Locke,
I don't know, Leonard.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I don't know where the Seahawks... you.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Know, are going to pan out in this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well, we can say this, right? Drew Locke has experience.
He's been a QB1 when he played in the Broncos.
You see he came out there, you know, finding the
rhythm at the end of the game, finding his swagger,
making the tight throws he needed to make to help
this team succeed. But also, let's not, I'm not going
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to say, so now I want you to answer this, right?
What does this game show you about either the Patriots
or Seattle? For me, I'm going to say this. I
feel like, see, the Patriots had a great game plan.
They was using the Seahawks' aggressiveness against them. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
They was using it.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I don't know why sometimes coaches don't stick to that, right?
And this is what fans kind of be like, oh, man,
this shit rigged. You know what I'm saying? When they
start doing shit, getting away from their bread and butter...
That's not helping them win at the end of the day.
That's when fans start getting upset. That's when the police
start getting fucked up.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
You know what I'm saying? That's when shit get real.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So me personally, I think this game more decided on,
it helped out the Seahawks more to me.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah. Because even without QB1, right, they were in the game.
In the game. And not only that, bro, that fucking defense.
Oh my God. You took it right out of my mouth.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Man, that's to me right now, until further notice, Until
we see the other games, number one defense.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Oh, 100%. Yes.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I mean, at least this defense is going to carry Seattle,
you know, to a few wins until they can get
Sam Darnold back, depending on what his situation is. I
think that's something they always keep an eye on. But
the defense is going to do what they do. I
think even tonight, you know– The Patriots were, I want
(23:33):
to say, three for 12 on third down. Seattle defense
left with plus three turnovers. They only gave up 10 points.
That's huge when you don't have a starting quarterback in
the game to help you on the opposite end, to
put pressure on the other team. I thought that to
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say Seattle defense was under pressure all night to stop
the Patriots and Drake May, they held their own, bro,
from up front to the secondary who showed up big
for them tonight.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
You know, they had a couple guys that, you know,
aren't really starters.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
A few guys won the job this year that made
plays later in the game that helped seal the deal.
So I think this defense is going to be consistent.
Monitoring Donald's injury is going to be key, obviously, but
they're going to get turnovers. They're going to win games
just because of that defense. And that's what's going to
help him. Maybe it helps him make the playoffs. Maybe
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it helps him, you know, fight for some division stuff.
But they're definitely going to win games until Sam is back.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
So I can say this. Bold prediction. The Patriots do
not make the playoffs. They do not.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
If Drake May doesn't get his mind right, right? If
the coach doesn't have certain plays and packages for him
and let him go out there, throw the ball willy-nilly, Oh,
my God. It's going to be a long season for
the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's going to be a long season. I agree. I agree.
Drake May has to figure it out.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I think he seems mature, and.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I think that that's a plus.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
But at the end of the day, I think his
decision-making in these moments is something that we haven't really
seen at that position from– the Bradys of the world.
And it's not fair to compare him to a Tom Brady.
It's very much not fair. But when we look at
the Patriots, it's hard not to. It's hard not to
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think about the guy back there in those moments that
you could almost guarantee if there's time on the clock,
Tom Brady is going to figure it out. He's going
to make the right play. And that's something that I
think as a New England fans want to see out
of Drake May.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
They're hopeful.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Think the kid does have talent. I like that he
can use his legs and be a triple threat, but
at the same time, man, the decision-making has to be better, man.
I saw Mike Vabro's face when he threw the pick
and it's just like, bro, how many times are we
in field goal range, right? The game on a line
like this. How many times have you been in the game?
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And what's the first thing that somebody tell you or
tell the quarterback or the running back or whoever it is.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
If it's not that, throw it away. Protect the football.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Protect the football. If it's not that, throw it away.
Running back's two hands on the ball.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
We got points. And guess what?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I can say this, bro. The Patriots had a decent
game plan. It was, it was, it was like, they learned,
they really learned.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
From last year.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
It was a decent, it was a decent game plan.
They bring in Witherspoon off the edge, 21, right? And,
They have the running back over there on the check down.
Anybody right there on the check down in space, 10
yards a pop. Once again, I don't know why would
they get away from that. And once again, I'm going
to say this. Patriots, dog, y'all will not be in.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
The playoffs, dog. Y'all play like that. It's the truth.
It is the truth.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, and it's going to be a tough road without A.J. Brown.
And it's going to be a tough road without Sam Donah.
Both teams walked in. that stadium to play that game
tonight with their guys and neither of them walked out
the stadium with those two guys. So it's going to
be a tough road ahead for both teams. But also, bro,
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looking ahead a little bit, tomorrow we got the Rams
versus the 49ers.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
You still like the Niners, bro? Bang, bang, gang. You
know what time it is, man. First of all, listen,
I'm going to tell you, they've been out there for
a week now. They're acclimated. I know the Rams just
got out there.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
And maybe I'm a little biased.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Because I'm a 49ers fan, right?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
But Kyle Shanahan, coach, dial up them first 15. Dial
them up. And the good thing is, right, Aaron Donald not.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Playing the first week.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
So now we're going to see if he's going to
be a difference maker when he comes back. Because now
you can game plan around Myles Garrett, double team him
a little bit, do not put one-on-one on that man.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Do not put one-on-one on that man. I'm going to
repeat this, and don't put no goddamn tight end on him.
I hate that shit.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Obviously, I know you are going for the 49ers, but
as you were playing throughout your career, what did you
enjoy most? Did you enjoy getting to the city early,
or did you enjoy showing up a day or two
before and not really having so much time to be,
I don't want to say acclimated, right? Because for certain teams,
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it works out differently, right? Like I've played in London
and we've got there a week early and lost. We've
got there the day or two before and won. So,
you know, how big of a factor does that play
in when the teams arrive into an international city to
play a game?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So I can say this. I can say I've always got,
I've never lost out of the country. You know what
I'm saying? I've never lost. And I can honestly say this.
You get there a week early. Yeah, come on, man.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
You get there early. You get there early. Like I said, man,
my entire family comes over. That's the good thing, right?
It's not a strict schedule.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So you get to shop. You get to eat with
the fellas.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
You know what I'm saying? And you get to spend
quality time. And I can honestly be, I can say this, right?
Get there a week early.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Get acclimated.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Get your cleats in the ground because no other state
outside the country is slippery.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's different. For sure. So I got 49ers winning by 10.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Ooh.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Let's do it. You know, I take that bet all day,
every day and twice on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Oh, man. Twice on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Listen, guys, we appreciate y'all stopping by. You know, it's
been a blast. It's always fun catching up with my guy, Leonard.
And then also, you know, seeing you guys, you know, like, subscribe, follow, comment,
predictions of the 49ers and Rams game tomorrow in Australia.
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Make sure, make sure we want to see predictions in
the comments. And yeah, bro, hell of a game tonight.
Sam Donah left injured. AJ Brown left injured. Seattle reminding
us why they're champs without even getting the opportunity to
really look like champs.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Drake May, I don't know, man.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Went from best to worst in a matter of a half.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Figure it out, man. Figure it out. Yeah, in a
matter of a half.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
We got to see Jason do his thing and show
us why he was the offensive MVP, showing up big
in big moments and big games for Seattle. We'll see
what's next for both teams. We appreciate y'all watching, man.
And until next time.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Peace. We out.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Salute.
Juan, we back with a late night special. You already
know what it is. Listen, listen, the topic of the
day is Drake, May, throw it away. Let's talk about it.
May for free. For free. Listen, May went for 23
of 33 for 178 yards. One touchdown.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Three interceptions that a blind man could have thrown, right?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Passed the rate for 54.9 rating. Oh, my God. Yeah, bro. Listen,
the end of the game. Talk to me. As a
one-wire receiver, you see him make a throw like that.
What's going through your mind?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I ain't going to lie, I'm walking the sideline just
shaking my head. I don't even know what my natural
reaction would be. Honestly, it probably would be to pick
him up, but in my head I'd be thinking, bro,
we in.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Field goal range, bro. What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I think this is another example of Drake Mays showing
his immaturity at the position. The more I think that
he's going to progress, which in the first half he
looked amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
In the first half, he looked confident. He looked dangerous.
He used his legs when he needed to. He didn't
hold on to the ball. He wasn't forcing anything to A.J.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Brown.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
And it seemed like, Leonard, bro, it seemed like to me,
I don't know, it seemed like once A.J. Brown went out,
it seemed like he went back to February. Like he
had a flashback into how the Super Bowl went. And
he just turned into a different player. Like a tale
of two halves. He went from being an MVP candidate
to being the worst quarterback in the NFL in one quarter.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Like, It was awful.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Listen, I agree with you, right? But also, let's give
credit to the Patriots, right? Also, you can tell. They
watched film from the Super Bowl. They've learned, right? They
were dialing up some decent plays. For the first two halves,
it looked like old school LSU and Bama football running duo,
smash mouth football, you know, inch by inch. Also, I
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felt like they used the Seahawks' aggressiveness against them. Right?
Went with the spoon, blitzed off the nickel, boom. The
wide receiver ran a little bubble roll. They had 10,
15 yards. You need that here and there. But the
game plan was there. The QB, hey, I don't know
what we got to do. Drake May, listen, holler at me.
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And it's not just Drake May, the wide receiver. Romeo,
what is it, Dobbs?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Oh, man.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Did you see that? Listen, that drop made a difference, right?
This is when I say the little things in football matters, right? Now,
they probably practiced that play, what, Monday might be running style,
you know what I'm saying? But Thursday and Friday, that's
third and fourth down days.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
We know that.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Cannot drop that, right? I've seen this man make plays
when he was at Green Bay. There's no way in
the world you dropped it. And I know how he
was feeling. He knew they lost because of that play.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And guess what? It happened.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, to me, they ain't lose because of that play.
They lost because of Drake May. They lost because of
the decision he made.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
On the next play.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
And then when they got the ball back, the decision
that he made to end the drive, that ended the game.
I think as much as you can look at Romeo Dobbs' play,
I still think the decision-making of Drake May is what
this game came down to. And because of the, I
don't know, his lack of experience or him, again, being
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shaky back there. I said this prior to this show.
I said, I want to see Drake May play. show up,
be confident. And he did that in the first half.
And then in the second half, he became a whole
nother person. And it showed, you know, Seattle left with
a plus two, well, plus three turnover margin. And I
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think the game, you know, never even flipped. I think
New England did a great job defensively against Seattle. I
think they held their own against the run. I think
they limited the JSN impact like as much as they
possibly could.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Drew Luck, I thought he stepped up. He played great.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
But at the same time, despite the turnovers, that New
England Patriots still had a chance, Leonard.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, they did. They did. I can say this, right?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Despite of the three picks, Drake May gave, I mean,
he accepted what they gave him, right? Everybody, I think,
but I'm going to tell you this. The Seahawks are
playing on third down, deep three, right? The running back
on a swing route.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Checking them down.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
First down, right? Let's talk about that. Listen, they got
negatives and positives in here, right? They got negatives and positives.
I can positively say the Patriots' front line came to play.
Despite the little bit of holding calls here and there, Will,
my LSU brother, you did your fucking thing. That's the
way you rebound, but now do it consistently so you
can be the top left tackle.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
In the league, right?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
We're not going to just talk about the bad and
the good.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Talk about everything. Drew Locke. He shows you. You never
know when your number going to be called, but be prepared. Oh,
my God. Listen to the dots he was throwing. Oh,
my God. Bro, Drew Locke looked so good.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I ain't going to lie, bro. It's like he put
that ox in and put that Jeezy on.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And he got in that zone again and locked in.
I really love that, like you say, man, and you
made a great point. He showed up into a game.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
On the fifth play. On the fifth play.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
They say stay ready so you ain't have to get ready.
I think Drew Locke stepped into the game and he
did exactly what he needed to do, right? Losing your
starter on the fifth play of the game. And then
especially on open night of a game that has been
looked at and regarded as one of those games that
could define your season.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
It's the Super Bowl rematch.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah. That's not an easy assignment, right? But he didn't
have to come in and be Sam Darnold. He just
had to come in and be Andrew. I mean, come
in and be Drew Locke. He just had to come
in and play his game, hand the football off, make
the easy throws. And he made a couple of great throws.
Third down a Cooper Cup when they were one for
six on third down.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It was an.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Amazing one-handed catch. Amazing throw. Amazing throw, amazing spot. And then,
you know, you come back and you look at the
fourth and one, the decision to call a pass play
on the fourth and one.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
And we see the electricity of no other than the
offensive player of the year, JSN, taking a five-yard pass
40-something yards to the house, man. What was your reaction
when you saw he caught the ball and turned up
the field?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Like, did you know he was?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Once again, people, y'all might think I say this just
for fun, but five-star players make five-star plays.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
He turned the fourth and one to a 40-something, 45,
46-yard touchdown.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
To us, to the fans looking at this game, I
want you to know that's not regular. You got to
be a special guy. And not only that, right? You
see he was getting frustrated, but he kept with it.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah. He kept on pushing. Hey, hey, hey.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
You seen the number one rivalry versus the number one
DB today. That matchup was crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Christian, I said this too in
the show before this one.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I think Christian Gonzalez in the times that he was
matched up, which was more in the red zone, that
he was matched up with JSN, he held his own.
I think Christian Gonzalez was doing his thing.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I don't think JSN caught a pass.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
But the beauty about, and I said this prior to
this show as well, the beauty about JSN, you can
put him anywhere, you can put him on the field
at any time. In a fourth and one situation, You
have one of the smallest guys on your team on
the field and he makes the biggest play at the
time on fourth and one scoring a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And really shifting the momentum.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I think at that point too, you could feel the
electricity in the stadium change. You could feel the urgency
or maybe that's what happened to Drake May.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
He started paying attention to the.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Game a little bit more being that it was tighter
and they wasn't dominating the line of scrimmage and all
of these things and trying to force a play. And again,
you know, you look at the impact, like I said,
of JSN, he didn't do much tonight, but when they
needed him the most on a, it's like a fourth down,
He stepped up and handled this business, man.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
He really did. Listen, dog.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Let's be real, dog. You see how Drake made play today, right?
Was the schedule easy last year that he got MVP
running up?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Because I'm starting to have flashbacks. Like, you know what?
Maybe he did play some bullshit out there.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And today, it was supposed to be a prove-em game.
I don't see where he improved his game from as
far as decision-making.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Still immature.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
The Childish Strolls, the first half, he looked great the
first half. The second half, I feel like he got
away from his game. I don't know what it was, man. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Tale of two halves. Do you believe that not having A.J.
Brown out there affected him?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Of course. Yeah, of course. The wide receiver won, right?
It's not out there. I'm quite sure they made.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
a bond after practice, throwing a ball, stirring certain routes,
you know, getting familiar with each other, and he's not
out there. Now, when that happens, right, this is something
the greats do. You have to coach up everybody. The
same thing you do with A.J. Brown, you got to
do with the other ones, too. To figure out in
crunch time who's going to be the guy you throw
the ball to.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Now, A.J.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Brown out, right? I don't think he really had it.
And let's talk about A.J. Brown.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
A.J.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Brown, what? What did he have today? 25 yards? Yeah,
he had 25 yards on like three or four catches. Right,
and I felt like they could have used him more.
Talk about it. But they didn't, right? Talk about it.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I think one of the biggest plays they had with A.J.
Brown was the pass and ferns. They got him on
the goal line.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Talk about it. Perfect. But that fucking ball was on
the throw. Talk about it.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's a touchdown waiting to happen. So, yes, he got
the ankle injury right now. He didn't come back. He
was in the blue tents. But going forward, man, you
have to trust your guys. That crazy ass ball you
threw to him, that was an easy, easy touchdown. And
I like, number three, I like Pop. Pop was doing
his thing.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Feed him. Isn't he wide receiver too? Feed him.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
He was a mismatch with Weatherspoon on the outbroad to
the left. He's quick, he's fast, bruh. It's hard guarding
those type of guys in that slot. You gotta be
a dangerous guy to be in that slot to check somebody.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I want you to understand that. So use that, use that, man.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Do you think, Mike, do you think Josh McDaniels has
put too much trust in Drake May, especially early on? Obviously,
they had success early on last season, right? But do
you think he has too much trust in Drake May?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I can say this, brother. Who else they got? Yeah. Yeah,
but you have to. You got to trust him. Yeah.
Who you going to put back there?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I say that as a question because, like, you know,
as a play caller, you know, you could call a
game a little bit more conservatively, right? You know, like,
for instance, the two picks that he threw, he threw
three picks that he threw.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
He threw three picks on vertical routes, right?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
You mentioned, you know, Pop being open against Witherspoon early
in the game on an outbreaker, right? They went away
from that completely. You didn't see any more of that
happening throughout the game. You saw the checkdowns. You saw
Drake May using his feet. But my question is, you know,
now that I can frame the question better, it's like,
do you feel like Josh McDaniels, when in game situations,
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games like this, what we just saw, should pull the
reins back and be a little bit more conservative with
Drake May instead of letting him go out there and
make decisions that has inevitably cost him games?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I think as a coach, you have to understand your players.
And also, you have to understand the game. When the
game is on a line like that, playing against a
defense like that, right, just throwing the ball like, how
they was throwing the ball. Me, personally, I feel like
they was running the ball okay.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
It was decent, right?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
It wasn't eight yards of pop, but the three, the
two yards of pop, it adds up.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It adds up.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We've been knowing this since college, right? So, now, the
big plays in my head. And, bro, what's his name is?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Romeo Dobbs. Romeo, bro.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Listen, I'm going to keep going back to that because
that could have sealed the game. That could have sealed
the game. That could have took all the breath out
of the Seahawks. Going on that drive. But once again,
I'm going to say this again. Great players make great plays. Dobbs,
don't let that define who you are. I'm telling you,
but next time, try to fuck it up in practice,
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not in a big moment like that.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I'm being real.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
For hell. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
No, I think that's a play, of course, when you
look at it, it could have changed the trajectory of
the game, right? Because the next play, he throws an interception,
but to spin it back to A.J. Brown, it's a
prime example of why having a guy like A.J.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Brown go down.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Changes the trajectory of the New England Patriots and the
offense and the dynamic, you know, as they're forming their
identity throughout the season.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I do see this. If A.J.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Brown misses a meaningful time, I do see New England,
you know, going from maybe one of the leaders in
that division to, to possibly fall in third and fourth
in that division, depending on how much time A.J.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Brown missed.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Obviously, you look at the depth in the receiver room,
and you have Romeo Dobbs, you have Pop that you mentioned,
and Hollins, but this is where Keyshawn Booty was so
important to this football team.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Keyshawn. To me, inside the business, we never understand trades. Obviously,
they had better, I'm not going to say better, but
another goal in mind. But, and a guy like me
who dealt with ankle injuries, to me, it looked like
a high ankle sprain.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
You know, he couldn't put a lot of pressure on it.
Let's hope it is.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
But we all know, as the doctors tell us, it's
better for you to break your ankle.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
And then to deal with a sprained ankle. I'm letting
y'all know, it's an aggravated injury. You know, it never
really heals during the season because you got to make
your certain cuts, your certain plants. So, you know, speedy
recovery to my guy. But speaking on Keyshawn, they needed
him for this.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah. He'd be perfect for this.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Listen, he's the number two for sure. He's a for
sure number two. He's proven himself. Week in and week out,
he's made the big-time catch that he needs to sell
a game.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I don't know, man. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And he would have been the only guy maybe outside of–
he would have been the only guy outside of Dobbs
that have.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Had history with Drake May. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
You know, obviously, Hollins has as well. And Hollins is
more of a possession receiver. He's not somebody that, you know–
as a team, as an office, we count on every
Sunday to, to show up in big games and help
us win.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
He's a guy that's going to do his job, but
I respect Hollins and how he played a game, very
physical receiver, but this is where Keishon booty comes in,
his playmaking ability, the relationship that he's built with Drake may.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And, you know, not having them, it's, it's.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
It's, it showed, it showed with, with the lack of
plays being made later in the game. And also just
Drake majors making dumb decisions. Um, When you look at, Leonard,
when you look at New England moving forward, right, what
would you think is the biggest takeaway from this game
that outside of the turnovers that they should be looking
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at for next week?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
To be real, bro, I think they played a decent game, right?
If you can somehow get in your quarterback mind about
making crazy throws and taking and sometimes throwing away is
the best option.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So not forcing it.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Once again, as y'all, the people at home on third down,
they were playing deep three, right? It was taking away
a lot of hook routes, right? He tried to force
it up the seam. Man, that's when, and like he said,
he don't call on Tom Brady as much. That's when
you should call on guys like that. Understand the game
when they're going to disguise the defenses. I feel like
(16:59):
the only missing piece is the quarterback at this point.
He was running the ball well. The defense played tremendously.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
And guess what? At the end of the game, you
got to expect that. The defense got tied. They're on
the field. They're on the field the majority of the time.
Am I wrong or right?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
No, you're right.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So I'm just going to say this, man, right?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
It's hard, right, when you have a quarterback that's not
playing up the part. But it's also harder when you
have a quarterback like on the Seahawks who got hurt
the fifth play of the game.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Now, we talk about the Patriots, right? Where the hell
do they go from here? bro, who knows? I don't,
I don't know where they go.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I think this is a, this is a, if you
are a new England Patriots fan, this is a tough
pill to swallow because you want to stay as optimistic
as you can about, you know, Drake may in this
football team, obviously all of the things that happened in
the off season was, was, was, it was awful and
kicking the football off and playing today was the best
thing that has happened to, to the new England Patriots
(18:00):
in the last few months. But after this game, man,
you just kind of, I feel like you leave this,
you leave this after watching it with like a pit
in your stomach, bro. You know, obviously they didn't have
Travion Henderson today and he was hurt. Their running back
room wasn't at full strength. I will say you talk
about the Patriots running game, right? To me personally, I
(18:23):
don't think they're explosive enough. I think Stevenson is a
good back, but I think they're missing some, some, some
more energy, some more juice. Yeah, some Leonard Fournette. Yeah,
they're missing some. No, I really do feel like that.
I feel like there's a lot of meat left on
the bone. Like he's a bigger back. But I think
(18:43):
he doesn't run with enough.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Power.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, he don't run powerful enough for the size that
he is. And I think they're leaving yards out there.
They're leaving another two, three yards per carry out there.
And who knows, Travion Henderson comes, he maybe changed that
dynamic a little bit, but I think they're missing an
explosive element that can run, catch it, and win in space,
(19:07):
you know?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Well, speaking of running backs, Price, until further notice, he
should be RB1 for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Right? He look elusive. He look, he look, he look,
he have flash of the Kenny Walker, right? Oh, he
look like him.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, but I think a little more quicker though. Like,
And he's fresh, right? He's off college, so he's fresh.
He's fresh as hell, right? That's going to play a
big part in their running game. But also, man, Donald,
I think he'll avoid a hip fracture, right?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Thank God.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
But I'm confident right now in Drew Luck going until
he's come back.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah. I'm confident in that.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
You know what? One thing, I'll go back to Jadarian Price.
I do think he's the running back of the future
until further notice. I like the way that Seattle came
out on the first play and ran the football. Like,
I talked about that at the show before this, like,
Go and make New England stop the run. They couldn't
(20:11):
stop it last year. Let's see if they can stop
it this year. First play of the game, Seattle comes out,
goes for eight, nine yards. Next play, play action fake.
I thought they came out with a great plan before
Sam Darnold got hurt. And, you know, when you look
at Sam Darnold's injury, again, this is another injury that
changes the trajectory of this team. I think what holds
(20:34):
this team together is getting that run game going behind Duloc.
And this defense, the defense, first of all, the defense
is going to hold them into these games and keep
these points low. But at the same time, again, I
think they go from contending in this division with the
Rams and the 49ers, who we're going to see tomorrow
on Netflix, to maybe being the third team in this
(20:55):
division and falling outside of the playoffs, depending on how
much time Sam Donald misses. When I talked before about this,
Sam Donald is the perfect quarterback for the scheme of
the Seattle Seahawks. from an offensive standpoint, from a quarterback
management standpoint, from a guy that's going to make consistent throws,
I thought Sam Darnold time has come. He has finally
(21:18):
arrived and he's playing in the right system under a
new offensive coordinator, but same philosophy, right? However, I just
feel like losing Sam Darnold and going with Drew Locke,
I don't know, Leonard.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I don't know where the Seahawks... you.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Know, are going to pan out in this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well, we can say this, right? Drew Locke has experience.
He's been a QB1 when he played in the Broncos.
You see he came out there, you know, finding the
rhythm at the end of the game, finding his swagger,
making the tight throws he needed to make to help
this team succeed. But also, let's not, I'm not going
(22:03):
to say, so now I want you to answer this, right?
What does this game show you about either the Patriots
or Seattle? For me, I'm going to say this. I
feel like, see, the Patriots had a great game plan.
They was using the Seahawks' aggressiveness against them. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
They was using it.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I don't know why sometimes coaches don't stick to that, right?
And this is what fans kind of be like, oh, man,
this shit rigged. You know what I'm saying? When they
start doing shit, getting away from their bread and butter...
That's not helping them win at the end of the day.
That's when fans start getting upset. That's when the police
start getting fucked up.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
You know what I'm saying? That's when shit get real.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So me personally, I think this game more decided on,
it helped out the Seahawks more to me.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah. Because even without QB1, right, they were in the game.
In the game. And not only that, bro, that fucking defense.
Oh my God. You took it right out of my mouth.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Man, that's to me right now, until further notice, Until
we see the other games, number one defense.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Oh, 100%. Yes.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I mean, at least this defense is going to carry Seattle,
you know, to a few wins until they can get
Sam Darnold back, depending on what his situation is. I
think that's something they always keep an eye on. But
the defense is going to do what they do. I
think even tonight, you know– The Patriots were, I want
(23:33):
to say, three for 12 on third down. Seattle defense
left with plus three turnovers. They only gave up 10 points.
That's huge when you don't have a starting quarterback in
the game to help you on the opposite end, to
put pressure on the other team. I thought that to
(23:54):
say Seattle defense was under pressure all night to stop
the Patriots and Drake May, they held their own, bro,
from up front to the secondary who showed up big
for them tonight.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
You know, they had a couple guys that, you know,
aren't really starters.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
A few guys won the job this year that made
plays later in the game that helped seal the deal.
So I think this defense is going to be consistent.
Monitoring Donald's injury is going to be key, obviously, but
they're going to get turnovers. They're going to win games
just because of that defense. And that's what's going to
help him. Maybe it helps him make the playoffs. Maybe
(24:32):
it helps him, you know, fight for some division stuff.
But they're definitely going to win games until Sam is back.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
So I can say this. Bold prediction. The Patriots do
not make the playoffs. They do not.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
If Drake May doesn't get his mind right, right? If
the coach doesn't have certain plays and packages for him
and let him go out there, throw the ball willy-nilly, Oh,
my God. It's going to be a long season for
the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's going to be a long season. I agree. I agree.
Drake May has to figure it out.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I think he seems mature, and.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I think that that's a plus.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
But at the end of the day, I think his
decision-making in these moments is something that we haven't really
seen at that position from– the Bradys of the world.
And it's not fair to compare him to a Tom Brady.
It's very much not fair. But when we look at
the Patriots, it's hard not to. It's hard not to
(25:36):
think about the guy back there in those moments that
you could almost guarantee if there's time on the clock,
Tom Brady is going to figure it out. He's going
to make the right play. And that's something that I
think as a New England fans want to see out
of Drake May.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
They're hopeful.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Think the kid does have talent. I like that he
can use his legs and be a triple threat, but
at the same time, man, the decision-making has to be better, man.
I saw Mike Vabro's face when he threw the pick
and it's just like, bro, how many times are we
in field goal range, right? The game on a line
like this. How many times have you been in the game?
(26:17):
And what's the first thing that somebody tell you or
tell the quarterback or the running back or whoever it is.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
If it's not that, throw it away. Protect the football.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Protect the football. If it's not that, throw it away.
Running back's two hands on the ball.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
We got points. And guess what?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I can say this, bro. The Patriots had a decent
game plan. It was, it was, it was like, they learned,
they really learned.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
From last year.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
It was a decent, it was a decent game plan.
They bring in Witherspoon off the edge, 21, right? And,
They have the running back over there on the check down.
Anybody right there on the check down in space, 10
yards a pop. Once again, I don't know why would
they get away from that. And once again, I'm going
to say this. Patriots, dog, y'all will not be in.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
The playoffs, dog. Y'all play like that. It's the truth.
It is the truth.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, and it's going to be a tough road without A.J. Brown.
And it's going to be a tough road without Sam Donah.
Both teams walked in. that stadium to play that game
tonight with their guys and neither of them walked out
the stadium with those two guys. So it's going to
be a tough road ahead for both teams. But also, bro,
(27:28):
looking ahead a little bit, tomorrow we got the Rams
versus the 49ers.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
You still like the Niners, bro? Bang, bang, gang. You
know what time it is, man. First of all, listen,
I'm going to tell you, they've been out there for
a week now. They're acclimated. I know the Rams just
got out there.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
And maybe I'm a little biased.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Because I'm a 49ers fan, right?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
But Kyle Shanahan, coach, dial up them first 15. Dial
them up. And the good thing is, right, Aaron Donald not.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Playing the first week.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
So now we're going to see if he's going to
be a difference maker when he comes back. Because now
you can game plan around Myles Garrett, double team him
a little bit, do not put one-on-one on that man.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Do not put one-on-one on that man. I'm going to
repeat this, and don't put no goddamn tight end on him.
I hate that shit.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Obviously, I know you are going for the 49ers, but
as you were playing throughout your career, what did you
enjoy most? Did you enjoy getting to the city early,
or did you enjoy showing up a day or two
before and not really having so much time to be,
I don't want to say acclimated, right? Because for certain teams,
(28:45):
it works out differently, right? Like I've played in London
and we've got there a week early and lost. We've
got there the day or two before and won. So,
you know, how big of a factor does that play
in when the teams arrive into an international city to
play a game?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So I can say this. I can say I've always got,
I've never lost out of the country. You know what
I'm saying? I've never lost. And I can honestly say this.
You get there a week early. Yeah, come on, man.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
You get there early. You get there early. Like I said, man,
my entire family comes over. That's the good thing, right?
It's not a strict schedule.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So you get to shop. You get to eat with
the fellas.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
You know what I'm saying? And you get to spend
quality time. And I can honestly be, I can say this, right?
Get there a week early.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Get acclimated.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Get your cleats in the ground because no other state
outside the country is slippery.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's different. For sure. So I got 49ers winning by 10.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Ooh.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Let's do it. You know, I take that bet all day,
every day and twice on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Oh, man. Twice on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Listen, guys, we appreciate y'all stopping by. You know, it's
been a blast. It's always fun catching up with my guy, Leonard.
And then also, you know, seeing you guys, you know, like, subscribe, follow, comment,
predictions of the 49ers and Rams game tomorrow in Australia.
(30:14):
Make sure, make sure we want to see predictions in
the comments. And yeah, bro, hell of a game tonight.
Sam Donah left injured. AJ Brown left injured. Seattle reminding
us why they're champs without even getting the opportunity to
really look like champs.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Drake May, I don't know, man.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Went from best to worst in a matter of a half.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Figure it out, man. Figure it out. Yeah, in a
matter of a half.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
We got to see Jason do his thing and show
us why he was the offensive MVP, showing up big
in big moments and big games for Seattle. We'll see
what's next for both teams. We appreciate y'all watching, man.
And until next time.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Peace. We out.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Salute.
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