March 6, 2026 • 53 mins
On this episode of The Herd, Jonas Knox & LaVar Arrington fill in for Colin as they talk about the Raiders future plans to potentially not start Fernando Mendoza if they were to draft him, off the heels of Geno Smith getting released. Plus, the guys have some fun with Logan Paul challenging NFL players to fights such as Myles Garrett, chat with Dr. David Chao on Jayson Tatum's return from injury, and more!!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Hey, hey, and away we go on a Friday. It's
the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio, but no Colin.
It is LeVar Arrington and Jonas Knox sitting in for
Colin and crew. You can hear LeVar and myself alongside
Brady Quinn weekday mornings on a Fox Sports Radio on
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the way up until three eastern noon Pacific. If you
are listening on the podcast, we appreciate you doing so.
And we are off and running on this Friday. What
up sticks, Hey, we're awake, sirh So what I'm talking
about doing a show in the daylights? And man, you
you rap bastards in You're six to seven hour sleep
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a night.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
You guys got it.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Good, real good. You've got a good no one am
wake up call for us. A little bit of traffic
on the one O one slash four h five, but
we are rocking and rolling here and ready to go.
And since we're back in this chair and it's been
a little while, it's appropriate we talk about somebody who
is also back. Jason Tatum, less than ten months after
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suffering the achilles tear in the playoff game against the
New York Knicks, will be in the lineup for the
Boston Celtics coming up later on tonight against the Dallas Mavericks.
I know, Lvar, you've dealt with the achilles issue before.
I'm kind of surprised that he's back this soon. But
(02:01):
here we go with the return of Jason Tatum to
an already really good Boston Celtics team who probably didn't
expect they were going to be.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
In this spot at this point in the year.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
A really good Jalen Brown led Boston Celtics team, we
should add and listen, I look at it like this.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
The.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Professional even just any type of competition, right college, pro,
even high school. When you've established yourself as the guy.
You're the franchise. Things are handled a certain type of way,
you do things a certain type of way, You're treated
a certain type of way. The respect factor is very different.
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When you get injured, there's a moment of truth. Right,
it either solidifies further solidifies your efforts that you've put
forth as a healthy player and how the team has
been able to accomplish.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
And when that that.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
That participation is gone due to an injury, it either
shows yep, Jason Tatum is the reason why we are
able to win. We got a championship, world title. We
we're set for.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
The future.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Right, you got a sidekick in Jalen Brown, But Jason
Tatum is the guy. Jason Tatum goes down. But yet
this team is second in the Eastern Conference. They're seventy
forty one and twenty one on the season, and they're
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in great position to make a deep run in the
NBA playoffs. It has emerged that Jalen Brown could be
in the conversation of being the new face and franchise
player for this Celtics team. So now Jason Tatum is
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tasked with not only coming back and playing, but now
he may be saddled with the pressure of coming back
as quickly as he possibly can before you realize that
the value of you being the franchise guy all but
dissipates fully from the situation.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
It's a really interesting call by Boston, by Tatum, because
if they weren't this good, I wonder if this is
even a conversation, because if you look at two other
examples around the league, Damian Lillard and Tyrese Haliburton both
tore their achilles in the playoffs last year, there's not
even a thought that they're gonna come back, because those
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two teams are awful. Okay, the highlight of the Blazer
season thus far was a guy with the ruptured achilles
winning the three point con which.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
By the way, he went back to the Blazer right,
considering that he tore it somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, they didn't need them there.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, So the two highlights for the Blazers this year,
not to uh, not to call out the Blazers fan base,
but your two highlights are an injured guy winning the
three point contest and your coach involved in some poker scheme. Okay,
so like you got card counters and three point shootout
winners you don't have a good team, all right, maybe
maybe a little bit better and expected. And then Indiana
is awful. Okay, whatever happened last year in Indiana, they
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are the diaper fire of the East. They might finish
with the worst record in the league. And so the
Pacers and Blazers are like, hey, guys, take your time.
Take does take your time. You know, we've got a
legitimate excuse this year we're terrible. All of a sudden,
Boston starts out the year and it's like, whoa Nobody
thought this was gonna happen. There was the feeling was,
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hey man, it's a throwaway year. And it's not even
just the Jason Tatum stuff. Al Horford gone, Drew Holliday
gone on, Chris SOPs porzingis gone. Those were all key
members of the title team just a couple of years ago.
But they were trying to get below the second apron.
So they just said, hey man, these are salary cap casualties,
is what it is. This isn't our year, Our best
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players gone. We'll just roll out, We'll try and compete
as hard as we can. Maybe we'll sneak in and
be a seven or eight team, will be in the
play in tournament whatever, but we're just gonna roll this season.
Then we really going to focus on twenty twenty seven.
And then all of a sudden, they're this through sixty
plus games, and I just wonder, are you making this
decision if not for the fact that this team's a
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legitimate title contender, especially with Tatum back.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
It's again, the points you make are accurate points, right.
The teams that you're discussing, they aren't competitive teams. You
look at this Celtics team and where they were at
and the conversations that were we're ensuing that we're taking
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place in real time. It was always Jason Tatum and
Jaylen Brown and being in second place. Jason Tatum is
not available all season long, and Jalen Brown is averaging
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what is it, twenty nine points seven rebounds per game,
and they're a top the Eastern Eastern Conference. So there's
second second place. If you're looking at where things go
from here on out, does it go back to Jason
Tatum and Jalen Brown or does it stay Jalen Brown
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and Jason Tatum and insert Jason Tatum that I think
that that is a very real conversation. I think the
Celtics feel confident about where they're at outside of there
being some really really big names like Sga is in
pole position to get MVP again.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
You're seeing what if.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
I don't know if y'all watched Winby last night, but
Wemby is balling.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Man.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I saw him hanging outside of a car dealership. There's
some sale going on.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
As long as this desk, his foot is, as long
as this desk were sitting there doing this.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Him and chet Holmren should just go as win puppets
for Halloween the next seventy years. Just do that costume
covered cheap, inexpensive, throw some drapes on and let it.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Let's call it a day.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Wemby takes two steps his foot. The tip of his
toe from getting a rebound is at mid court. In
two steps. Oh yeah, the tip of his toe is
at mid court and two steps.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah, he doesn't have one.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
They're talking about Michael Jordan and Doctor j doing dunks
from from the free throw line. Wemby's toe he in
his reach. He could probably move it back to I
don't know, Mick. Of course, we're gonna start seeing Winby
takeoff and he's gonna do the dunk contest. He's gonna
take off for court and dunk the ball like that
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never seen before. His ass hit long brouh and, and
his footstill gonna be on the ground at midcourt when.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
He takes off, and he's just a super stretch.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Outside of these high profile guys being up for the MVP,
Jalen Brown's name is in the conversation for league MVP
this year, some of them as high as two. DeMarcus
Cousins has gone on record says he's as high as
the second best player in the NBA, all the way
up to six to eight, where his name falls in
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terms of best Player MVP.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
But if we're being real, if we're.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Being real, does Jalen Brown have the same supporting cast
that SGA does?
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Does he have the.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Same supporting cast as what wim Bin Yama has. I
would say, No, you just mentioned some Orford's gone, Jason
Tatum hasn't been around. There's a different group of people.
It's a new group of people this season for the Celtics,
and yet they're playing at a high level, which would
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lead to the conversation of is he the most valuable
player to his team? Maybe they're not the best team,
but they're certainly up there with the best teams, so
you can use the criteria that they have a really
competitive team, a good team that's ranked high because you have.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
To win for them to consider you an MVP.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
And now you see Jason Tatum sitting back watching like,
I can't let the ship get too far.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
He's swimming, bro.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
It's not boarding the ship.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
That ship has sailed. But can he catch it and
ken he board the ship and and re establish himself
for what it was that he once was before the injury.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And that's what I wonder is does he feel like
like if they were, you know, a five hundred team.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Is he in any rush to get back?
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Nah?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Nah, take your time, Take your time, Take your time.
And I can understand the approach of well, if you're
doing this good without him, why would you even force
the issue? But I wonder how much of this is him?
How much of this is Tatum going, Man, I want
back in like I want And that's why I asked,
because you went through the Achilles what a retired like?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Like, what does that look like? That thing had a
grown man in tears bruh. And I got a pretty
high paying threshold and I limped. I limped for like
two three years after I got that surgery. Like it
was a very painful. I've been through some painful things both, yeah,
you know, both both a lean and a limp. You know,
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because when you when you yeah, when you're moving around
with that hammer, sometimes you and sometimes you limp. But
this one in particular was based off of me limping
because my achilles tendont was really tight, it was really sore,
and it just felt like if you if you don't
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know what it feels like to injure a part as
important as your achilles, you realize it after. And I
likened it to like air and attire. I didn't realize
you could say, okay, air and attire for your feet
and for your legs. But it really felt like the
bounce and the reactiveness of my foot was gone. It
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was gone. Like the movement of how you pop off
of your toes and on your foot, and that that
torque that goes through the bottom of your leg into
your calf muscle and then shoots up into your quads
and then back into them glutes. It was gone. It
was gone, and so you have to figure out many
have done it. I mean, it's very commonplace to come
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back from that type of injury and that type of procedure.
Many have done it, but it is very difficult, and
it is time consuming. It's almost as time consuming, and
it's almost I mean, it's.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
The biggest I believe it's the biggest.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Ligament in your body, your acl I mean, you're you're
Achilles tendon. It's the biggest tendon in your body. And
and it's just that's a difficult injury to come back
from and be effective like you once were, let alone
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come back in an abbreviated amount of time to do.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
So we're gonna catch up with doctor David Chow coming
up later on as soon as he gets done sparring
Ryan Leaf at an octagon somewhere, whenever that gets gets
figured out. But but I bring that up because Reggie
Miller was on the Dan Patrick Show, which you can
hear on many of these Fox Sports radio affiliates, and
he sort of explained the reasoning why some feel that
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Tatum is also coming back sooner than a Tyrese Haliburton
and a Dame Lillard.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
The best thing if there was knock on wood the
best thing. When he tore his achilles in game five.
I believe in New York that the doctor was right there,
that they attached it right away. And the thinking was
the body didn't even know that it had that traumatic experience.
That's how quickly, within twenty four hours they had the
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surgery on the achilles. So that's why he is so
far ahead of schedule versus a Damian Lillard or Tyrese
Halliburton is because they had the surgery within twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
You're not buying that. Hell no, you know, Reggie Miller MT.
You're not gonna buy his thought process there.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
First of all, the body is way more intelligent than
any doctor that will ever work on you.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, and look at it, Jason Tatum after the injury,
sure like his body knew what was going on.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Don't give it time to know that it's torn like
uh like then then just finished the game.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
He looked like the guy going through the woodship are
on Fargo.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
How how much time is that that you have that
to to elapse before your body knew that that's your dad?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
You know, like they just give him some mouth to
mouth before he realized that he died, you know, it's
a theory.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I love Reggie Miller, but.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I'm not in on this one. I'm not you heard
dad like, oh really, huh? Like go to break?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Reggie is he's officially lost.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
And that's you know, and he's passing the message on
from whatever you know was said on the documentary. I
just look, and people heal differently and people heal faster.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
That is true. I mean people heal different.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Adrian Peterson came back from that knee injury and in
what and was like there was no difference between when
he came back from knee injury and when he didn't
other than you know, not being able to keep his
left hand up in a scuffle after a poker game.
But that again, we're not bringing up the old stuff.
But so there's different people healed differently. I understand that
timelines can be a little different. It just feels like
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a lot of this was sped up because of how
the team is done without him. If they were five hundred,
if they were below five hundred, I don't think there's
a shot in hell he could.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
That would have been a better question to ask Reggie Miller.
That would have been a better question, like did not
happen with Clay and Steph Curry. Wasn't Clay Thompson the
main dude? And then in some way, somehow, I don't
know if injury was connected to it, but didn't Steph
Curry like take the reins like they you know, like
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became the main guy and it never changed, never turned back.
He became the franchise guy. He became the face of
the franchise, legend, hall of Fame or goat, there's not
going to be a better player that has ever played
for the Golden State Warriors then Golden State.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yeah, Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Then Steph Curry. So I think this is a necessity move.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Whether that's the entirety of it. It doesn't have to
be untrue that he wants to come back and he
wants to play, of course, but if you're not going
to add into the equation the amount of pressure mounting
on Jason Tatum looking at this Jalen Brown lad team,
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Like imagine if Michael Jordan went out and was injured
due to acl or achilles tendon injury and while he's out,
Scottie Pippen is just going nuts.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Look at look at the.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Nick Foles, Carson Wentz stuff. Carson Wentz was never the same.
It was never the same, Like he don't have a
he don't have a statue.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
And he was on that team.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
That knee injury that he suffered against the Rams at
the Coliseum, which by the way, is an outhouse, or.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
At least it was back then.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
But that injury he suffered at the Coliseum that changed
the course of his career.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Because where's he? Where's he now? I think he's in Minnesota?
Is he he's still in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I think there it is because I think he always
felt like, Wow, I was on track to be an
MVP and potentially a Super Bowl champion as a starter
and maybe a Super Bowl MVP, and instead my backup
went in there and did it. He was I don't
think he ever got over there. Bro.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
They call the place went win Sylvania.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Yeah, there was a moment in time where they said Winsylvania.
That's how well he was doing that season. You couldn't
grow any more hype and excitement around the players. So
you're one hundred percent spot on in that that that reference.
And I say Jalen Brown is a number one guy
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on of the NBA Dames and also.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
By the way, when they won their title, who is
the MVP of those finals? Jalen Brown.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
So like, it's not it's not as if you know
this is a real surprise, but it does. It does
bring up an interesting dynamic of Amen, what does that?
What does that look like?
Speaker 5 (19:25):
I'm the captain of his ship? Now, player, Hey my ship,
I'm the captain. Now, I'm the captain.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
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We're gonna get his thoughts on the situation involving Jason
Tate and some other stuff around uh the NFL as
well too, some injured stars, what their value really looks
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like on the trade market, so on and so forth.
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That'll be yours right here on FSR. But kind of
interesting and fiery commentary from one Logan Paul, who he's,
you know, not one to shy away from controversy, not
one to shy away from maybe throwing his hands a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
If need be.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
He's you know, fought done exhibition fights, Floyd Mayweather, Dylan Danis, etc.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Etc.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Like he's been out there and thrown down it.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Currently a WWE superstar, and he's very good at it,
has been very successful in his transition over into that industry.
But then this conversation turned to, you know, what would
it look like potentially against an NFL player had they
thrown down or had he thrown down against an NFL
player at some point sometime soon, to which Logan Paul
on his podcast Impulsive had to say, this, what.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Football players would straight up beat his ass?
Speaker 9 (22:11):
Not that I would put I would put any amount
of money that you could put metcalf not a single
football player gave me in a boxing match. Miles Garrett
is on Godles Garrett. I would throttle Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett,
I will bet you a Why do we choose him?
(22:32):
It could have been any name, but any football player
Miles Garrett.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Uh like, I don't even I don't even know. Don't
even try calling out Sam Donald. Sam Donald, doesn't matter
what A.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
Million dollars A million dollars, you come to the gym,
we put on boxing gloves.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
We see how it goes. So that from Logan Paul
attacking your your co workers there.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Like as in as in mich I mean he's going
right after the defensive side of the ball. He's not
messing around with a punter or a kicker. He's going
right at Miles Garrett. He did you guys like that?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Miles Garrett is the only bad mother effort he named
out of all that. They said, Sam Darnold, what about
DK metcalf?
Speaker 4 (23:18):
DK?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
I mean he could be a real tough guy. He
could be I don't I don't know. I don't know
if DK went up against a real tough guy, would
he be still a tough guy. I'm not sure he
could really be a tooth chipper though, Like there are
some tooth chippers out there in the serengetti, and he
didn't name any of them. Like throw out James Harrison,
(23:40):
you know, throw throw his name. Throw Aaron Donald in
the mix, see if you can. And and while Aaron
Donald is like more of martial arts, Hey going to
the going to the octagon, let's make it mm A.
Let's not let's not limit it to boxing. You do
you do w w F Wrestling w w E. Let's
(24:02):
go to the octagon with it, like go like, let's
go up in there with Pinea Seul, like like, let's
let's do that, go up in there with Max Crosby.
Let's let's Rashaun Gary, like, let's go up in there
with Michael Parsons, or go up in there, like name
some guys, Name some guys. And by the way, Brandon
Jacobs won my former teammates. Oh, he used to be
(24:23):
a boxing promoter. He boxes and and he trains, and
he practices. Sean Merriman, he promotes, he he boxes, he trains,
he does mixed martial.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Arts uh uh uh tamba a lee he he does.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
He's like very close with the Gray Sea family and
has done uh jiu jitsu for many, many, many years.
So what this comes down to is it's it's a
new form of shock jock, you know, impact. Right, These influencers,
(25:00):
the Paul brothers, have done one of the most exceptional,
brilliant jobs of playing the best villain roles in an
influencer potentially history within the sports arena, and they are
able to create these larger than life moments for boxing matches,
(25:25):
and it works it works.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
This is not This is not real.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
This is not real in terms of the idea, the
impact of going physically up and up with people. This
is promoting. This is entertainment, and they do an excellent
job of doing so. Now Le'Veon Bell, who's been in
the news, will for something that's not great. Le'Veon Bell
(25:54):
posted on social media, stop ducking Logan Paul been trying
to bro trying to fight an NFL player that never
fought before. Let's set it up. We all heard you
say you can be any NFL player. We can fight
in April. The NFL Draft is in Pittsburgh. We can
fight NFL Draft weekend. Let's make it happen, to which
Logan Paul responded, A, you're not in the NFL B
you can actually fight. So I'd have to probably properly trained,
(26:16):
meaning I'd have to step away from WWE, which I
won't do, especially not for you. See, there's no money
here because you're not a draw. Prove me otherwise, And
he said, of course you want the opportunity. I'm a
gold mine for retirees like you say so.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
But he's right.
Speaker 10 (26:34):
Unfortunately for Bell, it's true fair that all that's fair
all that people would go in Pittsburgh for a draft
if Le'Veon Bell was fighting Logan Paul, So he's wrong
about that.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
He will be a drawing now.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Earlier today, Logan Paul posted on x he said my
one million dollar open bet to fight NFL players has
caused an uproar.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Here's the update.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Nobody is willing to put a million dollars in scrow
and be flown here to Puerto Rico, all expenses paid
in box with three professional judges. They all want to
formalize this with a streamer, venue, press conferences, et cetera.
Ie get paid to fight, but not risk their own money.
But I don't have time nor interest in that. I
won't step away from WWE to coordinate and train for
(27:17):
an event. But if any player wants to actually put
up a million dollars in fight at my gym with
official referees and judges, show yourselves. That includes you Le'Veon Bell. Also,
if they want no cameras, I'm down.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
So look like he's just looking for a fight. You know,
he just wants to be not fight.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
He's not.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
He's looking for what he's getting and it's brilliant. You're
getting national attention for doing it. Saw Merriman just proposed
having boxing matches, fighting matches, MMA matches on NFL network.
He just proposed this not too long ago. I'd be
(27:54):
shocked if Logan Paul didn't catch on, And because those
guys all run the same circles, I would be shocked
if if Logan Paul didn't hear Sean talking about it
and beat them to the punch. In terms of getting
national exposure for calling out football players, I think it
would be interesting if there became a fight league where
(28:17):
former players could actually fight and fight on NFL NFL platforms.
I think it would be a great idea. Some of
these guys still want to compete. How do you compete.
You're not going to compete in the game, You're not
going to continue to be an active player. But guys
still stay in shape, do a lot with their bodies, train, coach,
(28:38):
do a lot of different things. Why not create an
outlet for them to be able to still compete and
it be monetized. I think it would be a great idea.
So I don't think this is about Logan Paul trying
to really thump. Like I said, if a guy like
Panea Suel put up a million bucks in ascro which,
by the way, a million bucks is a lot of money.
(29:00):
It's a million bucks. But I'm putting up a million
bucks to come fight you, like, like I would want
to make it a bigger deal, Like I'm If you
want to just thump, let's thump. We don't have to
put it out on social media. Have your people reach
out to the people you wanna, you want to fight,
and y'all do. Y'all do a fight and see what
(29:22):
happens of it. This is pure promotion.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
It's promotion. So to me, you.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Gotta take it that face value, see it as what
it is. It is entertainment. Logan Paul, the Paul brothers
are entertainers and they're damn good at it. And and
the added.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Bonus are they actually are some tough mother lovers, great athletes.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
They're not. It's not like these are like pushover dudes.
These are actually That's why I'm.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Saying, don't bring up Sam Darnold, don't don't bring up
a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Don't do that. Don't do that.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Don't do that, don't do that. Bring him, he said
Miles Garrett. Now I will say that he did call
out Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett would probably do what that
dude did into Indiana Jones Temple of Doom. That like,
reach into his chest, pull his heart out, and and
and and then burn.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
The heart and do just that right there, boom standing up.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Miles Garrett is a bad man, and that's one of
the most freakish athletes that you would ever deal with
in in a person.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
But that's like you're you're going for You're going for
effect based on you know, based on.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
You know, recent news, Miles Garret would probably rather do Daytona,
you know, for being honest, Well, he can draft. I mean,
he can draft.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I'm just saying, like the one thing the benefit is
if you schedule a fight with Miles Garrett, he's gonna
get there quick.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
We know that stupid, but.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
There's also it's it's this time of year and we're
gonna get to the summer months, when you know, the
NFL is not in season, when all of this stuff
sorts starts to happen, all of these influencer fights and
all these like all of these things start to get
discussed because I think everybody sort of recognizes that once
NFL comes around, that's the focus of everybody. So yeah,
(31:16):
you've got you know, like the World Baseball Classics on
right now.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
You know you've got you've got this.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
There's just there's like fun summer events that pop up,
spring summer events that people are going to get excited
and talk about. You know, when Mayweather fought McGregor was August.
You know, like it's just like this is the season
time of year for this stuff to go off. And
even if there is no fight, even if there's no
fight between Logan Paul and Miles Garrett or an NFL, Yeah,
(31:44):
it's it's it's in the conversation for a little while.
Everybody's going to chime in. Football players are going to
chime in. Look, Tom Brady sort of stoked the fire
when he you know, he called you know, Logan Paul
a bitch or something along those lines, and he talked
about w WE superstars, and so you got WWE superstars
now talking about Tom Brady. So I asked you this,
(32:05):
WrestleMania is their big event, right, guess whe WrestleMania is
again this year?
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Las Vegas? In Vegas? Where's Tom Brady had a lot
in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
It's like tom Brady doesn't. Tom Brady is a is
a promoter too. Yeah, but Tom Brady ain't no fighter. No,
but he a hype it now he can hype it.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
But could you not see him making an appearance? Could
you not see him making an appearance? Are in Vegas?
He owned, he's part owner of the team there.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Why this is what I'd say, though it does set
up the stage four, the conflict there. I mean again,
we're talking wrestle Mania, So why not have wrestling all
stars versus NFL All stars or former all stars?
Speaker 6 (32:49):
Right?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Why not set it up?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Lawrence Taylor main evented a wrest years ago against Bam
Bam Bigelow, like, and you had Steve McMichael was there,
and like all of these wrestler or all these NFL
players are there in attendance, Like we've Gronk spin at
WrestleMania before, We've seen all this stuff happen before. It's
I'm not talking. I'm not talking a show in terms
(33:14):
of a show. I'm talking. I said Pinea Seuel because
I watched him.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Very closely this season, so his name keeps popping up
in my head.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
You gotta get the nastiest dudes, Aaron Donald, James Harrison,
guys like that and do wrestling like. Let's let's do
jiu jitsu like, let's let's octagonnet in the WWE.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Let's get that.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I want to see you going there and not be
afraid when panea Seoul comes.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Walking up in there and you gotta lock up with him.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
That's what Aaron Donald comes walking up in there, who's
probably in better.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Shape now, in condition now than he was when he played.
I want want to see you step in there and
then not be a show. Could you win or I win.
Somebody's walking out of here. Somebody ain't walking out alive, though,
So you want grappling involved. I just want I want
an art art form. Wrestling is an art form. It's wrestling.
Wrestling is a history historically, wrestling was is probably wrestling
(34:22):
in which if you know wrestling, that is an art form.
It's it's it's different different disciplines, professional or so I'm
talking just wrestling. So most most wrestlers from college end
up transitioning into the UFC.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Those are the guys they learned the box.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
It's the oldest combat sport, correct like Roman Greco all
that stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
I want to see that.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
You could come in with your your WWE uniform and
everything like, but I want to see.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I want to see like boxing.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
It's like, okay, that's it's a different art form, it's
a different discipl and and it's it's just a little different.
Let's go fool out. You're wrestler. You say you trained
for your shows with the w w E. Let's get
a w W E versus NFL legends. Maybe let's that's
that's the that's the one I'm telling you. Get Get
(35:19):
guys like like I like I mentioned earlier, get Tamba Ali,
get a like if you were to get up, if you.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Were to get current players I mentioned to Nail.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
But basically, the NFL PA should just send out a
memo and be like anybody some owing, I mean, anybody
tonguing they are something. Come on, they are some tough,
tough dudes, man the best. They are some tough dudes.
But I'm just telling you it is not limited to that.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
It is not. There are some tough dudes that have
played in this this league man, and they.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Freaks, like straight up physical athletic freaks.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
That tongue they hit you with, that te.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
You know that who's the guy from the Texans to
he Tommy man, he's the best best.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
He throws up the tongue in team and that means
they did something.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, let him come walking in the octagon with with
Logan Paul and he hit him with that tea and
started doing that.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
I was turned up.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
We'll talk about your million bucks when that happened. What
was the final game of the season. Uh, that guy
from the Texans scored a touchdown? He scored he scored
a touchdown. Part of that was it like a got it.
I think they put him as a tackle eligible and
they didn't get the ball to him, but he ended
up scoring a touchdown on like a blocked field goal
or there was some crazy play that happened in the time.
(36:52):
And as he's celebrating on the field, Demico Ryans was
running out there doing the tea to the.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Tongue in team.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
You want to do oh my god, but he ain't yet,
but you.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Want to do it, like I want to be a
part of that, hey man.
Speaker 8 (37:07):
Like.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
One of the great all time stories of a of
a teammate fight was Olin Krutz and Fred Miller back
in the day when they were they were at a
shooting range and Olan Krutz to fre Fred Miller, I
guess broke a dumb bell on Ollen Krutzer's head. He
smashed him in the head with the dumbbell. Ollen Crutz
had to get stitches. But Olin Krutz broke fred Miller's jaw,
(37:29):
like just beat his ass. And apparently, you know, they
were just had maybe gone out and had a couple
and but they were fine. They finished the season together,
but fred Miller had to get his job broken. Fred
Miller was a big guy, like a really big guy.
And then you come to find out, Oh, Ollen Cruz,
where's he from? Honolulu Saint Louis High School.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
What all I'm saying is it's all fine and good
to talk all that mess about what you do to
any football player and all this old mess that they
the logan Paul is in.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
But there's promoting and then there's real you know. You know,
they tell you if you see you.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Get some of them real ones up in there, that's
a whole different game.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Little piece of advice, you know, they tell you, if
you see somebody with cauliflower ear, don't mess with them.
If somebody says to you, hey, Broda, just back away. Slow,
just back away, or give them a hug. If I
have a drink, give them a hug. Man, Hey, Brad.
If you hear Hey breda a low hot Friday, you.
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Doctor David Chow, who we saw radio row in the
Super Bowl at the Super Bowl in San Francisco, moments
after he had Ryan Leaf and a dars choke I
believe based on the reports. But all getting aside, Doctor Chow,
Happy to have you with us.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
How are things?
Speaker 6 (40:13):
I'm doing great? Look at you guys big time here?
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Yeah, we are big time. So let me ask you.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
You obviously were the physician team physician in the NFL
for almost two decades. You've been around this stuff for
years and years and years. When you see Jason Tatum
return this quickly, Yet somebody like a Dame Lillard and
a Tyrese Halliburton there's not even a thought they'd come
back this year. How much of this do you think
(40:39):
was sped up based on the fact that the Celtics
have a chance to win a title.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
Well, return to play is always multifactorial. Not every injury
is the same, not every recovery is the same, not
every rehab is the same, and not every situation is
the same. This is a nice quick recovery for Jason Tatum,
hats off to him, but it's also not the quickest
one in NBA history. I mean, Wesley Matthews, Kobe Bryant,
(41:07):
Rudy Gay, Dominic Wilkins, Chauncey Phillips all came back a
little bit quicker than Jason Tatum. Of course, we all
look at the longer returns for Kevin Durant, who did
return to one hundred percent, and we say this is
nice quick return, and you mentioned some other guys, but
return to play doesn't mean someone is one hundred percent.
(41:27):
And as great as Tatum is done, I doubt he's
Jason Tatum at one hundred percent when he comes back
to play tonight. I think it's spot play working himself
in with the Celtics, who have a very good team
playoff bound, figuring out what his role is and get
acclimated ahead of the playoffs. But still kudos to him
for all the hard work that he is engendered.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
All Right, So.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
We talked a few a lot, I guess, some different
topics at the Super Bowl, but one of the things
was the Max Crosby conversation, and you know, the concerns
about what he may or may not have going on,
But what is the do you have a latest update
on Max Crosby's health. Was this more a shutting him
(42:16):
down based off of where the team was, or was
it based off of really protecting him and what would
perceive to be, you know, a sore knee.
Speaker 6 (42:27):
Look, I'm not inside the building in terms of rumors
and what's going on. Look at Mike Silver, Jay Glaziers,
others reporting the possible trade and that he's done. But
from a medical perspective, I think the narrative that we
had in December that the Raiders were tanking, they were
shutting Max Crosby down against his will, is really not correct.
(42:48):
They were shutting him down for his own good. It
turns out it was a meniscus repair, not a trim.
Meniscus trim is a much smaller surgery, quicker recovery. Miniscus
repair is much longer. As a matter of fact, obviously
I haven't examined Max Crosby, but I would imagine technically
he does not pass a physical today because it's only March.
(43:12):
It's only three months from the meniscus repair. Meniscus repair
recoveries are minimum four to six months, and so that
may be what is complicating the potential trade, not just
the asking price, but he has to pass the physical,
and no trade is consummated or final until a physical
is passed. If he's wanting to get traded, certainly he
(43:35):
could share his electronic or other medical records so a
team could project him to be healthy. But as of today,
I don't think he passes a physical, and maybe there
is a role in that in terms of teams not
pulling the trigger or perhaps not beating the asking price yet.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Doctor David Choud joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox in.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
For The Herd. Let me ask you one thing, because
we were kind of kicking this around.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Just to go back quickly on the Jason Tatum stuff,
Reggie Miller spoke on the Dan Patrick Show and was
mentioning that, you know, based on the documentary and sort
of sort of how things timeline wise happened. Listen to
Reggie Miller's explanation as to what he saw in watching
the Tatum documentary as to why he's back this quickly.
Speaker 7 (44:21):
The best thing if there was knock on wood, the
best thing. When he tore his achilles in Game five,
I believe in New York that the doctor was right there,
that they attached it right away, and the thinking was
the body didn't even know that it had that traumatic experience.
That's how quickly, within twenty four hours they had the
(44:41):
surgery on the achilles. So that's why he is so
far ahead of schedule versus Damian Lillard or Tyrese Halliburton
is because.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
They had.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
When you hear that, do you buy that thought that
because the doctor happened to be there, they got the
surgery done so quickly the body didn't recognize the traumat
one unders Does that make sense to you as from
a medical standpoint.
Speaker 6 (45:04):
I love Reggie Miller, and I'll take all kinds of
three point shooting advice from him, But I don't know
that this is and there's any medical factual basis for this. Certainly,
doing the surgery in one day is perhaps better than
doing it in a week or two, which is what
happens in the normal world for us mere mortals. But
I don't think if the body recognizes that there's a
(45:26):
tear immediately, Jason Tatum recognized there's a tear immediately, could
there be a little less swelling in there? Okay, maybe,
But I think it's his hard work rehab and sometimes
the type of tear that allows him to return, and
quite honestly, where the Celtics are where he really wants
to return. Whereas no offense to Kevin Durant and Kevin
(45:48):
Durant situation, who tore it in that NBA Finals, besides
being a big man seven footer, and besides it being June.
He waited all that next season and into the next final,
into the following season to make sure he really was
one hundred percent, and when he came back, he really
was one hundred percent. This is why I'm saying I'm
not sure Jason Tatum is one hundred percent right now.
(46:10):
I'm not saying he can't come back and be effective.
What Reddy says is awesome, but I would say is
the recovery for achilles is also being accelerated by other things.
Blood Flow restriction therapy is part of it. I've seen
in that same documentary that Jason Tatum has some of
those tourniquet type devices on to help blood flow restriction
(46:31):
to help healing. That is something that we saw Aaron
Rodgers do when he tried to return in the same
season in the NFL. Didn't make it back because the
Jets didn't make the playoffs. But there's a lot of
things accelerating the recovery. I think only a very smart part.
I mean, look, I'd love it to get credit to
say the doctor was there and therefore we really helped out,
(46:53):
which you know is great. And I helped. The doctor
helped out certainly from a psychological perspective and being there
and getting the right diagnosis and reassuring Jason Tatum on
his return. But the body does recognize a rupture or
a tear immediately.
Speaker 5 (47:11):
Okay, and looking at where Jason Tatum is, is there
any risk of there being any type of re injury
of any kind of any sort.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
Well, when you say any risk, the answer is yes.
And I'm not trying to scare Celtics fans and I'm
not saying he's not ready. But you know, any sort
of quick eccentric load, is the Achilles as strong today
as it will be months from now? Answer is probably no.
This is why Durant took, you know, five hundred days
to return. Kudos to Tatum for wanting to return, but
(47:47):
I don't think once again he's one hundred percent and
I'll give you something else. He's not one hundred percent
safe if you really want to talk about it, and
I hope I don't jinx the man on the other side.
It's not uncommon to have a second Achilles happen after first.
We've seen it in the NFL in many instances. Terrell
Suggs is one that comes to mind, So I hope
(48:07):
saying that doesn't place any jinks on Jason Tatum.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Doctor David Chowd joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox in for the Herd, What can
you tell us about Caleb Downs the prospect he was
at the combine. There was a medical red flag something
about the ACL what can you tell us about that situation?
Speaker 6 (48:27):
And it is something to monitor, it's something to monitor,
but I don't make a lot of it. First of all,
not at all distrusting the reporter that said it, not
distrusting the source or a scout that said it. But
in my time in the NFL, I've been to twenty
combines and I always met with the GM or assistant GM.
It was never with a scout. And therefore there's the
(48:49):
game of telephone that can happen. And let me tell
you something. If you're talking about a player getting flagged
at combines, out of the three hundred and thirty players
that are there, there aren't one or two at most
at our flag to extent, which is do not draft,
You cannot draft them. They're probably about thirty or forty
or so, sometimes up to fifty red flags where someone
(49:13):
has an issue that currently at the combines. They don't
pass the physical, but they could project the pass the physical,
so it's sort of a stop sign there. And there's
probably another a third of the three hundred and thirty
one hundred or more that have a yellow flag, which
is some history of injury that might affect their longevity
or something down the road, but that doesn't always affect
(49:36):
their draft status at all. So I guess what I'm
saying is just because someone is flagged, I'd say a
third of athletes and the combines are flagged in some way,
but that doesn't mean they're going to drop in the
draft or be undraftable. And I'm old enough that when
I first started going to combines, GMS would tell me,
is this guy going to be our left tackle for
(49:56):
the next twelve to fifteen years. Well, by the time
I was done, the question was is this guy going
to get us through? Get through his first contract? Is
all they cared about, right, And there are other instances too.
You know, there was a draft pick Sony and Michelle
for the Patriots and the thirty second pick in the
first round where we said he's got the gender knees
and he's not going to last. But guess what, the
(50:19):
Patriots rode him to a super Bowl in his rookie year.
He did not have a long career, but they wrote
him to a super Bowl in that first year. So
there's all sorts of reasons for picking players, and I
don't make a ton out of the kleb Downs report
so far.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
One last one for you here, doctor Chow. Patrick Mahomes,
what's the realistic timeline for him? Because we're talking about
you know, these moves Kansas City is making, you know,
they're trading away you know, star players on defense, they're
restructuring contracts. We're looking at this is is this the
end of the run for Kansas City? Is a legitimate
(50:57):
Super Bowl contender? And one of the things that's kind
of been buried in all this is Mahomes is coming
off a pretty serious injury first of his career. Really
to this extent at his age, when do you expect
him to be full go for next year?
Speaker 6 (51:11):
Well, Patrick Mahomes has been a beast in terms of
his play and also getting to injuries. We remember him
playing through a high ankle spring and winning the Super
Bowl on that. This knee injury is a little bit different.
It's more than just an ACL, and we've talked about
it a lot at Sports Injury Central sic score dot com.
It's a multi ligament injury where he tore his LCL
(51:32):
as well as his ACL, which is why he had
the accelerated immediate surgery. Not because his body wouldn't recognize it,
but because it's a repair of the LCL and then
a reconstruction of the ACL makes it more complicated. The
best comp for this as a quarterback actually was Carson
Wentz when he was with the Eagles. It happened in
(51:52):
LA against the Rams, tours LCL and ACL. Nick Foles
came in and won the Super Bowl. Carson Wentz was
not for Week one last year. He rushed it back
week four or so and ended up with some back
issues compensatorily, Here's the thing, Could Patrick do I expect
Patrick Mahomes to return to one hundred percent or being
(52:14):
Patrick Mahomes the magician that he is, the answer is yes.
Will that happen week one? That is definitely in question.
I don't think he'll be one hundred percent himself week one.
Is he healthy enough to try and play Week one? Maybe?
Will he want to play Week one? Certainly? Will the
Chiefs let him play Week one when he's not one
(52:35):
hundred percent? That's the bigger question mark, and they may
exercise some caution because he is absolutely the franchise. You
don't want him to not be one hundred percent and
suffer another injury. And I think they're going to take
it day by day and see how he is, but
if there's any additional risk, they may not have him
playing at the start of next season given the severity
(52:57):
of the knee injury.
Speaker 4 (53:00):
David Show always appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
You can get him on x at Pro Football, Doc,
and we look forward to updates when some of the
wheelings and dealings happening. It happened, and we'll monitor the
Jason Tatum situation. Good stuff, Doc, We appreciate you, man.
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Speaker 4 (01:19):
You guys got it.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Good, real good. You've got a good no one am
wake up call for us. A little bit of traffic
on the one O one slash four h five, but
we are rocking and rolling here and ready to go.
And since we're back in this chair and it's been
a little while, it's appropriate we talk about somebody who
is also back. Jason Tatum, less than ten months after
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suffering the achilles tear in the playoff game against the
New York Knicks, will be in the lineup for the
Boston Celtics coming up later on tonight against the Dallas Mavericks.
I know, Lvar, you've dealt with the achilles issue before.
I'm kind of surprised that he's back this soon. But
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here we go with the return of Jason Tatum to
an already really good Boston Celtics team who probably didn't
expect they were going to be.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
In this spot at this point in the year.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
A really good Jalen Brown led Boston Celtics team, we
should add and listen, I look at it like this.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
The.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Professional even just any type of competition, right college, pro,
even high school. When you've established yourself as the guy.
You're the franchise. Things are handled a certain type of way,
you do things a certain type of way, You're treated
a certain type of way. The respect factor is very different.
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When you get injured, there's a moment of truth. Right,
it either solidifies further solidifies your efforts that you've put
forth as a healthy player and how the team has
been able to accomplish.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
And when that that.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
That participation is gone due to an injury, it either
shows yep, Jason Tatum is the reason why we are
able to win. We got a championship, world title. We
we're set for.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
The future.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Right, you got a sidekick in Jalen Brown, But Jason
Tatum is the guy. Jason Tatum goes down. But yet
this team is second in the Eastern Conference. They're seventy
forty one and twenty one on the season, and they're
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in great position to make a deep run in the
NBA playoffs. It has emerged that Jalen Brown could be
in the conversation of being the new face and franchise
player for this Celtics team. So now Jason Tatum is
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tasked with not only coming back and playing, but now
he may be saddled with the pressure of coming back
as quickly as he possibly can before you realize that
the value of you being the franchise guy all but
dissipates fully from the situation.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
It's a really interesting call by Boston, by Tatum, because
if they weren't this good, I wonder if this is
even a conversation, because if you look at two other
examples around the league, Damian Lillard and Tyrese Haliburton both
tore their achilles in the playoffs last year, there's not
even a thought that they're gonna come back, because those
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two teams are awful. Okay, the highlight of the Blazer
season thus far was a guy with the ruptured achilles
winning the three point con which.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
By the way, he went back to the Blazer right,
considering that he tore it somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, they didn't need them there.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, So the two highlights for the Blazers this year,
not to uh, not to call out the Blazers fan base,
but your two highlights are an injured guy winning the
three point contest and your coach involved in some poker scheme. Okay,
so like you got card counters and three point shootout
winners you don't have a good team, all right, maybe
maybe a little bit better and expected. And then Indiana
is awful. Okay, whatever happened last year in Indiana, they
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are the diaper fire of the East. They might finish
with the worst record in the league. And so the
Pacers and Blazers are like, hey, guys, take your time.
Take does take your time. You know, we've got a
legitimate excuse this year we're terrible. All of a sudden,
Boston starts out the year and it's like, whoa Nobody
thought this was gonna happen. There was the feeling was,
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hey man, it's a throwaway year. And it's not even
just the Jason Tatum stuff. Al Horford gone, Drew Holliday
gone on, Chris SOPs porzingis gone. Those were all key
members of the title team just a couple of years ago.
But they were trying to get below the second apron.
So they just said, hey man, these are salary cap casualties,
is what it is. This isn't our year, Our best
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players gone. We'll just roll out, We'll try and compete
as hard as we can. Maybe we'll sneak in and
be a seven or eight team, will be in the
play in tournament whatever, but we're just gonna roll this season.
Then we really going to focus on twenty twenty seven.
And then all of a sudden, they're this through sixty
plus games, and I just wonder, are you making this
decision if not for the fact that this team's a
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legitimate title contender, especially with Tatum back.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
It's again, the points you make are accurate points, right.
The teams that you're discussing, they aren't competitive teams. You
look at this Celtics team and where they were at
and the conversations that were we're ensuing that we're taking
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place in real time. It was always Jason Tatum and
Jaylen Brown and being in second place. Jason Tatum is
not available all season long, and Jalen Brown is averaging
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what is it, twenty nine points seven rebounds per game,
and they're a top the Eastern Eastern Conference. So there's
second second place. If you're looking at where things go
from here on out, does it go back to Jason
Tatum and Jalen Brown or does it stay Jalen Brown
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and Jason Tatum and insert Jason Tatum that I think
that that is a very real conversation. I think the
Celtics feel confident about where they're at outside of there
being some really really big names like Sga is in
pole position to get MVP again.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
You're seeing what if.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
I don't know if y'all watched Winby last night, but
Wemby is balling.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Man.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I saw him hanging outside of a car dealership. There's
some sale going on.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
As long as this desk, his foot is, as long
as this desk were sitting there doing this.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Him and chet Holmren should just go as win puppets
for Halloween the next seventy years. Just do that costume
covered cheap, inexpensive, throw some drapes on and let it.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Let's call it a day.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Wemby takes two steps his foot. The tip of his
toe from getting a rebound is at mid court. In
two steps. Oh yeah, the tip of his toe is
at mid court and two steps.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah, he doesn't have one.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
They're talking about Michael Jordan and Doctor j doing dunks
from from the free throw line. Wemby's toe he in
his reach. He could probably move it back to I
don't know, Mick. Of course, we're gonna start seeing Winby
takeoff and he's gonna do the dunk contest. He's gonna
take off for court and dunk the ball like that
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never seen before. His ass hit long brouh and, and
his footstill gonna be on the ground at midcourt when.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
He takes off, and he's just a super stretch.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Outside of these high profile guys being up for the MVP,
Jalen Brown's name is in the conversation for league MVP
this year, some of them as high as two. DeMarcus
Cousins has gone on record says he's as high as
the second best player in the NBA, all the way
up to six to eight, where his name falls in
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terms of best Player MVP.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
But if we're being real, if we're.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Being real, does Jalen Brown have the same supporting cast
that SGA does?
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Does he have the.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Same supporting cast as what wim Bin Yama has. I
would say, No, you just mentioned some Orford's gone, Jason
Tatum hasn't been around. There's a different group of people.
It's a new group of people this season for the Celtics,
and yet they're playing at a high level, which would
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lead to the conversation of is he the most valuable
player to his team? Maybe they're not the best team,
but they're certainly up there with the best teams, so
you can use the criteria that they have a really
competitive team, a good team that's ranked high because you have.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
To win for them to consider you an MVP.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
And now you see Jason Tatum sitting back watching like,
I can't let the ship get too far.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
He's swimming, bro.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
It's not boarding the ship.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
That ship has sailed. But can he catch it and
ken he board the ship and and re establish himself
for what it was that he once was before the injury.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And that's what I wonder is does he feel like
like if they were, you know, a five hundred team.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Is he in any rush to get back?
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Nah?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Nah, take your time, Take your time, Take your time.
And I can understand the approach of well, if you're
doing this good without him, why would you even force
the issue? But I wonder how much of this is him?
How much of this is Tatum going, Man, I want
back in like I want And that's why I asked,
because you went through the Achilles what a retired like?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Like, what does that look like? That thing had a
grown man in tears bruh. And I got a pretty
high paying threshold and I limped. I limped for like
two three years after I got that surgery. Like it
was a very painful. I've been through some painful things both, yeah,
you know, both both a lean and a limp. You know,
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because when you when you yeah, when you're moving around
with that hammer, sometimes you and sometimes you limp. But
this one in particular was based off of me limping
because my achilles tendont was really tight, it was really sore,
and it just felt like if you if you don't
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know what it feels like to injure a part as
important as your achilles, you realize it after. And I
likened it to like air and attire. I didn't realize
you could say, okay, air and attire for your feet
and for your legs. But it really felt like the
bounce and the reactiveness of my foot was gone. It
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was gone. Like the movement of how you pop off
of your toes and on your foot, and that that
torque that goes through the bottom of your leg into
your calf muscle and then shoots up into your quads
and then back into them glutes. It was gone. It
was gone, and so you have to figure out many
have done it. I mean, it's very commonplace to come
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back from that type of injury and that type of procedure.
Many have done it, but it is very difficult, and
it is time consuming. It's almost as time consuming, and
it's almost I mean, it's.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
The biggest I believe it's the biggest.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Ligament in your body, your acl I mean, you're you're
Achilles tendon. It's the biggest tendon in your body. And
and it's just that's a difficult injury to come back
from and be effective like you once were, let alone
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come back in an abbreviated amount of time to do.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
So we're gonna catch up with doctor David Chow coming
up later on as soon as he gets done sparring
Ryan Leaf at an octagon somewhere, whenever that gets gets
figured out. But but I bring that up because Reggie
Miller was on the Dan Patrick Show, which you can
hear on many of these Fox Sports radio affiliates, and
he sort of explained the reasoning why some feel that
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Tatum is also coming back sooner than a Tyrese Haliburton
and a Dame Lillard.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
The best thing if there was knock on wood the
best thing. When he tore his achilles in game five.
I believe in New York that the doctor was right there,
that they attached it right away. And the thinking was
the body didn't even know that it had that traumatic experience.
That's how quickly, within twenty four hours they had the
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surgery on the achilles. So that's why he is so
far ahead of schedule versus a Damian Lillard or Tyrese
Halliburton is because they had the surgery within twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
You're not buying that. Hell no, you know, Reggie Miller MT.
You're not gonna buy his thought process there.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
First of all, the body is way more intelligent than
any doctor that will ever work on you.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, and look at it, Jason Tatum after the injury,
sure like his body knew what was going on.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Don't give it time to know that it's torn like
uh like then then just finished the game.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
He looked like the guy going through the woodship are
on Fargo.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
How how much time is that that you have that
to to elapse before your body knew that that's your dad?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
You know, like they just give him some mouth to
mouth before he realized that he died, you know, it's
a theory.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I love Reggie Miller, but.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I'm not in on this one. I'm not you heard
dad like, oh really, huh? Like go to break?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Reggie is he's officially lost.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
And that's you know, and he's passing the message on
from whatever you know was said on the documentary. I
just look, and people heal differently and people heal faster.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
That is true. I mean people heal different.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Adrian Peterson came back from that knee injury and in
what and was like there was no difference between when
he came back from knee injury and when he didn't
other than you know, not being able to keep his
left hand up in a scuffle after a poker game.
But that again, we're not bringing up the old stuff.
But so there's different people healed differently. I understand that
timelines can be a little different. It just feels like
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a lot of this was sped up because of how
the team is done without him. If they were five hundred,
if they were below five hundred, I don't think there's
a shot in hell he could.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
That would have been a better question to ask Reggie Miller.
That would have been a better question, like did not
happen with Clay and Steph Curry. Wasn't Clay Thompson the
main dude? And then in some way, somehow, I don't
know if injury was connected to it, but didn't Steph
Curry like take the reins like they you know, like
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became the main guy and it never changed, never turned back.
He became the franchise guy. He became the face of
the franchise, legend, hall of Fame or goat, there's not
going to be a better player that has ever played
for the Golden State Warriors then Golden State.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yeah, Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Then Steph Curry. So I think this is a necessity move.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Whether that's the entirety of it. It doesn't have to
be untrue that he wants to come back and he
wants to play, of course, but if you're not going
to add into the equation the amount of pressure mounting
on Jason Tatum looking at this Jalen Brown lad team,
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Like imagine if Michael Jordan went out and was injured
due to acl or achilles tendon injury and while he's out,
Scottie Pippen is just going nuts.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Look at look at the.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Nick Foles, Carson Wentz stuff. Carson Wentz was never the same.
It was never the same, Like he don't have a
he don't have a statue.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
And he was on that team.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
That knee injury that he suffered against the Rams at
the Coliseum, which by the way, is an outhouse, or.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
At least it was back then.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
But that injury he suffered at the Coliseum that changed
the course of his career.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Because where's he? Where's he now? I think he's in Minnesota?
Is he he's still in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I think there it is because I think he always
felt like, Wow, I was on track to be an
MVP and potentially a Super Bowl champion as a starter
and maybe a Super Bowl MVP, and instead my backup
went in there and did it. He was I don't
think he ever got over there. Bro.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
They call the place went win Sylvania.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Yeah, there was a moment in time where they said Winsylvania.
That's how well he was doing that season. You couldn't
grow any more hype and excitement around the players. So
you're one hundred percent spot on in that that that reference.
And I say Jalen Brown is a number one guy
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on of the NBA Dames and also.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
By the way, when they won their title, who is
the MVP of those finals? Jalen Brown.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
So like, it's not it's not as if you know
this is a real surprise, but it does. It does
bring up an interesting dynamic of Amen, what does that?
What does that look like?
Speaker 5 (19:25):
I'm the captain of his ship? Now, player, Hey my ship,
I'm the captain. Now, I'm the captain.
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That'll be yours right here on FSR. But kind of
interesting and fiery commentary from one Logan Paul, who he's,
you know, not one to shy away from controversy, not
one to shy away from maybe throwing his hands a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
If need be.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
He's you know, fought done exhibition fights, Floyd Mayweather, Dylan Danis, etc.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Etc.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Like he's been out there and thrown down it.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Currently a WWE superstar, and he's very good at it,
has been very successful in his transition over into that industry.
But then this conversation turned to, you know, what would
it look like potentially against an NFL player had they
thrown down or had he thrown down against an NFL
player at some point sometime soon, to which Logan Paul
on his podcast Impulsive had to say, this, what.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Football players would straight up beat his ass?
Speaker 9 (22:11):
Not that I would put I would put any amount
of money that you could put metcalf not a single
football player gave me in a boxing match. Miles Garrett
is on Godles Garrett. I would throttle Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett,
I will bet you a Why do we choose him?
(22:32):
It could have been any name, but any football player
Miles Garrett.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Uh like, I don't even I don't even know. Don't
even try calling out Sam Donald. Sam Donald, doesn't matter
what A.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
Million dollars A million dollars, you come to the gym,
we put on boxing gloves.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
We see how it goes. So that from Logan Paul
attacking your your co workers there.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Like as in as in mich I mean he's going
right after the defensive side of the ball. He's not
messing around with a punter or a kicker. He's going
right at Miles Garrett. He did you guys like that?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Miles Garrett is the only bad mother effort he named
out of all that. They said, Sam Darnold, what about
DK metcalf?
Speaker 4 (23:18):
DK?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
I mean he could be a real tough guy. He
could be I don't I don't know. I don't know
if DK went up against a real tough guy, would
he be still a tough guy. I'm not sure he
could really be a tooth chipper though, Like there are
some tooth chippers out there in the serengetti, and he
didn't name any of them. Like throw out James Harrison,
(23:40):
you know, throw throw his name. Throw Aaron Donald in
the mix, see if you can. And and while Aaron
Donald is like more of martial arts, Hey going to
the going to the octagon, let's make it mm A.
Let's not let's not limit it to boxing. You do
you do w w F Wrestling w w E. Let's
(24:02):
go to the octagon with it, like go like, let's
go up in there with Pinea Seul, like like, let's
let's do that, go up in there with Max Crosby.
Let's let's Rashaun Gary, like, let's go up in there
with Michael Parsons, or go up in there, like name
some guys, Name some guys. And by the way, Brandon
Jacobs won my former teammates. Oh, he used to be
(24:23):
a boxing promoter. He boxes and and he trains, and
he practices. Sean Merriman, he promotes, he he boxes, he trains,
he does mixed martial.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Arts uh uh uh tamba a lee he he does.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
He's like very close with the Gray Sea family and
has done uh jiu jitsu for many, many, many years.
So what this comes down to is it's it's a
new form of shock jock, you know, impact. Right, These influencers,
(25:00):
the Paul brothers, have done one of the most exceptional,
brilliant jobs of playing the best villain roles in an
influencer potentially history within the sports arena, and they are
able to create these larger than life moments for boxing matches,
(25:25):
and it works it works.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
This is not This is not real.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
This is not real in terms of the idea, the
impact of going physically up and up with people. This
is promoting. This is entertainment, and they do an excellent
job of doing so. Now Le'Veon Bell, who's been in
the news, will for something that's not great. Le'Veon Bell
(25:54):
posted on social media, stop ducking Logan Paul been trying
to bro trying to fight an NFL player that never
fought before. Let's set it up. We all heard you
say you can be any NFL player. We can fight
in April. The NFL Draft is in Pittsburgh. We can
fight NFL Draft weekend. Let's make it happen, to which
Logan Paul responded, A, you're not in the NFL B
you can actually fight. So I'd have to probably properly trained,
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meaning I'd have to step away from WWE, which I
won't do, especially not for you. See, there's no money
here because you're not a draw. Prove me otherwise, And
he said, of course you want the opportunity. I'm a
gold mine for retirees like you say so.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
But he's right.
Speaker 10 (26:34):
Unfortunately for Bell, it's true fair that all that's fair
all that people would go in Pittsburgh for a draft
if Le'Veon Bell was fighting Logan Paul, So he's wrong
about that.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
He will be a drawing now.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Earlier today, Logan Paul posted on x he said my
one million dollar open bet to fight NFL players has
caused an uproar.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Here's the update.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Nobody is willing to put a million dollars in scrow
and be flown here to Puerto Rico, all expenses paid
in box with three professional judges. They all want to
formalize this with a streamer, venue, press conferences, et cetera.
Ie get paid to fight, but not risk their own money.
But I don't have time nor interest in that. I
won't step away from WWE to coordinate and train for
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an event. But if any player wants to actually put
up a million dollars in fight at my gym with
official referees and judges, show yourselves. That includes you Le'Veon Bell. Also,
if they want no cameras, I'm down.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
So look like he's just looking for a fight. You know,
he just wants to be not fight.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
He's not.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
He's looking for what he's getting and it's brilliant. You're
getting national attention for doing it. Saw Merriman just proposed
having boxing matches, fighting matches, MMA matches on NFL network.
He just proposed this not too long ago. I'd be
(27:54):
shocked if Logan Paul didn't catch on, And because those
guys all run the same circles, I would be shocked
if if Logan Paul didn't hear Sean talking about it
and beat them to the punch. In terms of getting
national exposure for calling out football players, I think it
would be interesting if there became a fight league where
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former players could actually fight and fight on NFL NFL platforms.
I think it would be a great idea. Some of
these guys still want to compete. How do you compete.
You're not going to compete in the game, You're not
going to continue to be an active player. But guys
still stay in shape, do a lot with their bodies, train, coach,
(28:38):
do a lot of different things. Why not create an
outlet for them to be able to still compete and
it be monetized. I think it would be a great idea.
So I don't think this is about Logan Paul trying
to really thump. Like I said, if a guy like
Panea Suel put up a million bucks in ascro which,
by the way, a million bucks is a lot of money.
(29:00):
It's a million bucks. But I'm putting up a million
bucks to come fight you, like, like I would want
to make it a bigger deal, Like I'm If you
want to just thump, let's thump. We don't have to
put it out on social media. Have your people reach
out to the people you wanna, you want to fight,
and y'all do. Y'all do a fight and see what
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happens of it. This is pure promotion.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
It's promotion. So to me, you.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Gotta take it that face value, see it as what
it is. It is entertainment. Logan Paul, the Paul brothers
are entertainers and they're damn good at it. And and
the added.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Bonus are they actually are some tough mother lovers, great athletes.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
They're not. It's not like these are like pushover dudes.
These are actually That's why I'm.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Saying, don't bring up Sam Darnold, don't don't bring up
a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Don't do that. Don't do that.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Don't do that, don't do that. Bring him, he said
Miles Garrett. Now I will say that he did call
out Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett would probably do what that
dude did into Indiana Jones Temple of Doom. That like,
reach into his chest, pull his heart out, and and
and and then burn.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
The heart and do just that right there, boom standing up.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Miles Garrett is a bad man, and that's one of
the most freakish athletes that you would ever deal with
in in a person.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
But that's like you're you're going for You're going for
effect based on you know, based on.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
You know, recent news, Miles Garret would probably rather do Daytona,
you know, for being honest, Well, he can draft. I mean,
he can draft.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I'm just saying, like the one thing the benefit is
if you schedule a fight with Miles Garrett, he's gonna
get there quick.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
We know that stupid, but.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
There's also it's it's this time of year and we're
gonna get to the summer months, when you know, the
NFL is not in season, when all of this stuff
sorts starts to happen, all of these influencer fights and
all these like all of these things start to get
discussed because I think everybody sort of recognizes that once
NFL comes around, that's the focus of everybody. So yeah,
(31:16):
you've got you know, like the World Baseball Classics on
right now.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
You know you've got you've got this.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
There's just there's like fun summer events that pop up,
spring summer events that people are going to get excited
and talk about. You know, when Mayweather fought McGregor was August.
You know, like it's just like this is the season
time of year for this stuff to go off. And
even if there is no fight, even if there's no
fight between Logan Paul and Miles Garrett or an NFL, Yeah,
(31:44):
it's it's it's in the conversation for a little while.
Everybody's going to chime in. Football players are going to
chime in. Look, Tom Brady sort of stoked the fire
when he you know, he called you know, Logan Paul
a bitch or something along those lines, and he talked
about w WE superstars, and so you got WWE superstars
now talking about Tom Brady. So I asked you this,
(32:05):
WrestleMania is their big event, right, guess whe WrestleMania is
again this year?
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Las Vegas? In Vegas? Where's Tom Brady had a lot
in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
It's like tom Brady doesn't. Tom Brady is a is
a promoter too. Yeah, but Tom Brady ain't no fighter. No,
but he a hype it now he can hype it.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
But could you not see him making an appearance? Could
you not see him making an appearance? Are in Vegas?
He owned, he's part owner of the team there.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Why this is what I'd say, though it does set
up the stage four, the conflict there. I mean again,
we're talking wrestle Mania, So why not have wrestling all
stars versus NFL All stars or former all stars?
Speaker 6 (32:49):
Right?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Why not set it up?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Lawrence Taylor main evented a wrest years ago against Bam
Bam Bigelow, like, and you had Steve McMichael was there,
and like all of these wrestler or all these NFL
players are there in attendance, Like we've Gronk spin at
WrestleMania before, We've seen all this stuff happen before. It's
I'm not talking. I'm not talking a show in terms
(33:14):
of a show. I'm talking. I said Pinea Seuel because
I watched him.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Very closely this season, so his name keeps popping up
in my head.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
You gotta get the nastiest dudes, Aaron Donald, James Harrison,
guys like that and do wrestling like. Let's let's do
jiu jitsu like, let's let's octagonnet in the WWE.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Let's get that.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I want to see you going there and not be
afraid when panea Seoul comes.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Walking up in there and you gotta lock up with him.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
That's what Aaron Donald comes walking up in there, who's
probably in better.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Shape now, in condition now than he was when he played.
I want want to see you step in there and
then not be a show. Could you win or I win.
Somebody's walking out of here. Somebody ain't walking out alive, though,
So you want grappling involved. I just want I want
an art art form. Wrestling is an art form. It's wrestling.
Wrestling is a history historically, wrestling was is probably wrestling
(34:22):
in which if you know wrestling, that is an art form.
It's it's it's different different disciplines, professional or so I'm
talking just wrestling. So most most wrestlers from college end
up transitioning into the UFC.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Those are the guys they learned the box.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
It's the oldest combat sport, correct like Roman Greco all
that stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
I want to see that.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
You could come in with your your WWE uniform and
everything like, but I want to see.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I want to see like boxing.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
It's like, okay, that's it's a different art form, it's
a different discipl and and it's it's just a little different.
Let's go fool out. You're wrestler. You say you trained
for your shows with the w w E. Let's get
a w W E versus NFL legends. Maybe let's that's
that's the that's the one I'm telling you. Get Get
(35:19):
guys like like I like I mentioned earlier, get Tamba Ali,
get a like if you were to get up, if you.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Were to get current players I mentioned to Nail.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
But basically, the NFL PA should just send out a
memo and be like anybody some owing, I mean, anybody
tonguing they are something. Come on, they are some tough,
tough dudes, man the best. They are some tough dudes.
But I'm just telling you it is not limited to that.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
It is not. There are some tough dudes that have
played in this this league man, and they.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Freaks, like straight up physical athletic freaks.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
That tongue they hit you with, that te.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
You know that who's the guy from the Texans to
he Tommy man, he's the best best.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
He throws up the tongue in team and that means
they did something.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, let him come walking in the octagon with with
Logan Paul and he hit him with that tea and
started doing that.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
I was turned up.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
We'll talk about your million bucks when that happened. What
was the final game of the season. Uh, that guy
from the Texans scored a touchdown? He scored he scored
a touchdown. Part of that was it like a got it.
I think they put him as a tackle eligible and
they didn't get the ball to him, but he ended
up scoring a touchdown on like a blocked field goal
or there was some crazy play that happened in the time.
(36:52):
And as he's celebrating on the field, Demico Ryans was
running out there doing the tea to the.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Tongue in team.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
You want to do oh my god, but he ain't yet,
but you.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Want to do it, like I want to be a
part of that, hey man.
Speaker 8 (37:07):
Like.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
One of the great all time stories of a of
a teammate fight was Olin Krutz and Fred Miller back
in the day when they were they were at a
shooting range and Olan Krutz to fre Fred Miller, I
guess broke a dumb bell on Ollen Krutzer's head. He
smashed him in the head with the dumbbell. Ollen Crutz
had to get stitches. But Olin Krutz broke fred Miller's jaw,
(37:29):
like just beat his ass. And apparently, you know, they
were just had maybe gone out and had a couple
and but they were fine. They finished the season together,
but fred Miller had to get his job broken. Fred
Miller was a big guy, like a really big guy.
And then you come to find out, Oh, Ollen Cruz,
where's he from? Honolulu Saint Louis High School.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
What all I'm saying is it's all fine and good
to talk all that mess about what you do to
any football player and all this old mess that they
the logan Paul is in.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
But there's promoting and then there's real you know. You know,
they tell you if you see you.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Get some of them real ones up in there, that's
a whole different game.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Little piece of advice, you know, they tell you, if
you see somebody with cauliflower ear, don't mess with them.
If somebody says to you, hey, Broda, just back away. Slow,
just back away, or give them a hug. If I
have a drink, give them a hug. Man, Hey, Brad.
If you hear Hey breda a low hot Friday, you.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Gotta go man all right, So we'll keep you posting.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
You hear get run, you grab your drops and run.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
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Super Bowl at the Super Bowl in San Francisco, moments
after he had Ryan Leaf and a dars choke I
believe based on the reports. But all getting aside, Doctor Chow,
Happy to have you with us.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
How are things?
Speaker 6 (40:13):
I'm doing great? Look at you guys big time here?
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Yeah, we are big time. So let me ask you.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
You obviously were the physician team physician in the NFL
for almost two decades. You've been around this stuff for
years and years and years. When you see Jason Tatum
return this quickly, Yet somebody like a Dame Lillard and
a Tyrese Halliburton there's not even a thought they'd come
back this year. How much of this do you think
(40:39):
was sped up based on the fact that the Celtics
have a chance to win a title.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
Well, return to play is always multifactorial. Not every injury
is the same, not every recovery is the same, not
every rehab is the same, and not every situation is
the same. This is a nice quick recovery for Jason Tatum,
hats off to him, but it's also not the quickest
one in NBA history. I mean, Wesley Matthews, Kobe Bryant,
(41:07):
Rudy Gay, Dominic Wilkins, Chauncey Phillips all came back a
little bit quicker than Jason Tatum. Of course, we all
look at the longer returns for Kevin Durant, who did
return to one hundred percent, and we say this is
nice quick return, and you mentioned some other guys, but
return to play doesn't mean someone is one hundred percent.
(41:27):
And as great as Tatum is done, I doubt he's
Jason Tatum at one hundred percent when he comes back
to play tonight. I think it's spot play working himself
in with the Celtics, who have a very good team
playoff bound, figuring out what his role is and get
acclimated ahead of the playoffs. But still kudos to him
for all the hard work that he is engendered.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
All Right, So.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
We talked a few a lot, I guess, some different
topics at the Super Bowl, but one of the things
was the Max Crosby conversation, and you know, the concerns
about what he may or may not have going on,
But what is the do you have a latest update
on Max Crosby's health. Was this more a shutting him
(42:16):
down based off of where the team was, or was
it based off of really protecting him and what would
perceive to be, you know, a sore knee.
Speaker 6 (42:27):
Look, I'm not inside the building in terms of rumors
and what's going on. Look at Mike Silver, Jay Glaziers,
others reporting the possible trade and that he's done. But
from a medical perspective, I think the narrative that we
had in December that the Raiders were tanking, they were
shutting Max Crosby down against his will, is really not correct.
(42:48):
They were shutting him down for his own good. It
turns out it was a meniscus repair, not a trim.
Meniscus trim is a much smaller surgery, quicker recovery. Miniscus
repair is much longer. As a matter of fact, obviously
I haven't examined Max Crosby, but I would imagine technically
he does not pass a physical today because it's only March.
(43:12):
It's only three months from the meniscus repair. Meniscus repair
recoveries are minimum four to six months, and so that
may be what is complicating the potential trade, not just
the asking price, but he has to pass the physical,
and no trade is consummated or final until a physical
is passed. If he's wanting to get traded, certainly he
(43:35):
could share his electronic or other medical records so a
team could project him to be healthy. But as of today,
I don't think he passes a physical, and maybe there
is a role in that in terms of teams not
pulling the trigger or perhaps not beating the asking price yet.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Doctor David Choud joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox in.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
For The Herd. Let me ask you one thing, because
we were kind of kicking this around.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Just to go back quickly on the Jason Tatum stuff,
Reggie Miller spoke on the Dan Patrick Show and was
mentioning that, you know, based on the documentary and sort
of sort of how things timeline wise happened. Listen to
Reggie Miller's explanation as to what he saw in watching
the Tatum documentary as to why he's back this quickly.
Speaker 7 (44:21):
The best thing if there was knock on wood, the
best thing. When he tore his achilles in Game five,
I believe in New York that the doctor was right there,
that they attached it right away, and the thinking was
the body didn't even know that it had that traumatic experience.
That's how quickly, within twenty four hours they had the
(44:41):
surgery on the achilles. So that's why he is so
far ahead of schedule versus Damian Lillard or Tyrese Halliburton
is because.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
They had.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
When you hear that, do you buy that thought that
because the doctor happened to be there, they got the
surgery done so quickly the body didn't recognize the traumat
one unders Does that make sense to you as from
a medical standpoint.
Speaker 6 (45:04):
I love Reggie Miller, and I'll take all kinds of
three point shooting advice from him, But I don't know
that this is and there's any medical factual basis for this. Certainly,
doing the surgery in one day is perhaps better than
doing it in a week or two, which is what
happens in the normal world for us mere mortals. But
I don't think if the body recognizes that there's a
(45:26):
tear immediately, Jason Tatum recognized there's a tear immediately, could
there be a little less swelling in there? Okay, maybe,
But I think it's his hard work rehab and sometimes
the type of tear that allows him to return, and
quite honestly, where the Celtics are where he really wants
to return. Whereas no offense to Kevin Durant and Kevin
(45:48):
Durant situation, who tore it in that NBA Finals, besides
being a big man seven footer, and besides it being June.
He waited all that next season and into the next final,
into the following season to make sure he really was
one hundred percent, and when he came back, he really
was one hundred percent. This is why I'm saying I'm
not sure Jason Tatum is one hundred percent right now.
(46:10):
I'm not saying he can't come back and be effective.
What Reddy says is awesome, but I would say is
the recovery for achilles is also being accelerated by other things.
Blood Flow restriction therapy is part of it. I've seen
in that same documentary that Jason Tatum has some of
those tourniquet type devices on to help blood flow restriction
(46:31):
to help healing. That is something that we saw Aaron
Rodgers do when he tried to return in the same
season in the NFL. Didn't make it back because the
Jets didn't make the playoffs. But there's a lot of
things accelerating the recovery. I think only a very smart part.
I mean, look, I'd love it to get credit to
say the doctor was there and therefore we really helped out,
(46:53):
which you know is great. And I helped. The doctor
helped out certainly from a psychological perspective and being there
and getting the right diagnosis and reassuring Jason Tatum on
his return. But the body does recognize a rupture or
a tear immediately.
Speaker 5 (47:11):
Okay, and looking at where Jason Tatum is, is there
any risk of there being any type of re injury
of any kind of any sort.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
Well, when you say any risk, the answer is yes.
And I'm not trying to scare Celtics fans and I'm
not saying he's not ready. But you know, any sort
of quick eccentric load, is the Achilles as strong today
as it will be months from now? Answer is probably no.
This is why Durant took, you know, five hundred days
to return. Kudos to Tatum for wanting to return, but
(47:47):
I don't think once again he's one hundred percent and
I'll give you something else. He's not one hundred percent
safe if you really want to talk about it, and
I hope I don't jinx the man on the other side.
It's not uncommon to have a second Achilles happen after first.
We've seen it in the NFL in many instances. Terrell
Suggs is one that comes to mind, So I hope
(48:07):
saying that doesn't place any jinks on Jason Tatum.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Doctor David Chowd joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox in for the Herd, What can
you tell us about Caleb Downs the prospect he was
at the combine. There was a medical red flag something
about the ACL what can you tell us about that situation?
Speaker 6 (48:27):
And it is something to monitor, it's something to monitor,
but I don't make a lot of it. First of all,
not at all distrusting the reporter that said it, not
distrusting the source or a scout that said it. But
in my time in the NFL, I've been to twenty
combines and I always met with the GM or assistant GM.
It was never with a scout. And therefore there's the
(48:49):
game of telephone that can happen. And let me tell
you something. If you're talking about a player getting flagged
at combines, out of the three hundred and thirty players
that are there, there aren't one or two at most
at our flag to extent, which is do not draft,
You cannot draft them. They're probably about thirty or forty
or so, sometimes up to fifty red flags where someone
(49:13):
has an issue that currently at the combines. They don't
pass the physical, but they could project the pass the physical,
so it's sort of a stop sign there. And there's
probably another a third of the three hundred and thirty
one hundred or more that have a yellow flag, which
is some history of injury that might affect their longevity
or something down the road, but that doesn't always affect
(49:36):
their draft status at all. So I guess what I'm
saying is just because someone is flagged, I'd say a
third of athletes and the combines are flagged in some way,
but that doesn't mean they're going to drop in the
draft or be undraftable. And I'm old enough that when
I first started going to combines, GMS would tell me,
is this guy going to be our left tackle for
(49:56):
the next twelve to fifteen years. Well, by the time
I was done, the question was is this guy going
to get us through? Get through his first contract? Is
all they cared about, right, And there are other instances too.
You know, there was a draft pick Sony and Michelle
for the Patriots and the thirty second pick in the
first round where we said he's got the gender knees
and he's not going to last. But guess what, the
(50:19):
Patriots rode him to a super Bowl in his rookie year.
He did not have a long career, but they wrote
him to a super Bowl in that first year. So
there's all sorts of reasons for picking players, and I
don't make a ton out of the kleb Downs report
so far.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
One last one for you here, doctor Chow. Patrick Mahomes,
what's the realistic timeline for him? Because we're talking about
you know, these moves Kansas City is making, you know,
they're trading away you know, star players on defense, they're
restructuring contracts. We're looking at this is is this the
end of the run for Kansas City? Is a legitimate
(50:57):
Super Bowl contender? And one of the things that's kind
of been buried in all this is Mahomes is coming
off a pretty serious injury first of his career. Really
to this extent at his age, when do you expect
him to be full go for next year?
Speaker 6 (51:11):
Well, Patrick Mahomes has been a beast in terms of
his play and also getting to injuries. We remember him
playing through a high ankle spring and winning the Super
Bowl on that. This knee injury is a little bit different.
It's more than just an ACL, and we've talked about
it a lot at Sports Injury Central sic score dot com.
It's a multi ligament injury where he tore his LCL
(51:32):
as well as his ACL, which is why he had
the accelerated immediate surgery. Not because his body wouldn't recognize it,
but because it's a repair of the LCL and then
a reconstruction of the ACL makes it more complicated. The
best comp for this as a quarterback actually was Carson
Wentz when he was with the Eagles. It happened in
(51:52):
LA against the Rams, tours LCL and ACL. Nick Foles
came in and won the Super Bowl. Carson Wentz was
not for Week one last year. He rushed it back
week four or so and ended up with some back
issues compensatorily, Here's the thing, Could Patrick do I expect
Patrick Mahomes to return to one hundred percent or being
(52:14):
Patrick Mahomes the magician that he is, the answer is yes.
Will that happen week one? That is definitely in question.
I don't think he'll be one hundred percent himself week one.
Is he healthy enough to try and play Week one? Maybe?
Will he want to play Week one? Certainly? Will the
Chiefs let him play Week one when he's not one
(52:35):
hundred percent? That's the bigger question mark, and they may
exercise some caution because he is absolutely the franchise. You
don't want him to not be one hundred percent and
suffer another injury. And I think they're going to take
it day by day and see how he is, but
if there's any additional risk, they may not have him
playing at the start of next season given the severity
(52:57):
of the knee injury.
Speaker 4 (53:00):
David Show always appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
You can get him on x at Pro Football, Doc,
and we look forward to updates when some of the
wheelings and dealings happening. It happened, and we'll monitor the
Jason Tatum situation. Good stuff, Doc, We appreciate you, man.
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