June 2, 2026 • 39 mins
Colin explained why the NFL continues to be king after Myles Garrett and AJ Brown were traded on the same day plus why the pressure is now mounting on Jalen Hurts in Philly
3 time Super Bowl champ Julian Edelman gave us his thoughts on the Myles Garrett trade to LA and how AJ Brown will help Drake Maye's development in New England and how he'll fit within in the Patriots locker room
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Here we go on a Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I don't know if we can duplicate yesterday's massive NFL trades.
It's the Herd wherever you may be, however you may
be listening, watching, whatever the platform is. Thanks for making
us part of your day. So yesterday, halfway through the show,
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almost to the minute, Miles Garrett Brown's Rams and Rams
are now the first team that's ever had a raining
MVP on a team with the defensive MVP. So they're
overwhelming Super Bowl favorites. And I've said this through the years.
Sports should be fun. I mean, it's a business, but
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I'm involved in a business.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's fun. It should be fun to come to work.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Right, I mean, in a funny business like comedy, take
it seriously, and in a serious business you've got to
have a sense of humor, lighten it up. And yesterday
in the NFL's number one in this country for a
lot of reasons. I think we've become an event culture,
and you know, one game a week as we're more
distracted on our phones all the platforms. You know, football's
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kind of built for us now. But they also do
a lot of really smart things, like, for instance, they
stay away from politics. I know the media loves when
politics and sports are conjoined. The public doesn't. Most people
go to games for escapism. They'll get their politics somewhere else.
NFL is pretty good to stand out of that space.
They constantly tweak their rules, rigid or worried about nineteen
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fifty or sixty, the catch, the pat the kickoff. They're
always tweaking stuff the rules committee. But more than anything,
the NFL doesn't get in the way of fun. Yesterday
was fun. It was easy to play along. Hey, Miles
Garrett to the Rams and Jared Verson three really good
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picks to the Browns. The NBA, I mean between the
second apron, the first apron, google first apron NBA and
see what comes up. The more you read about it,
the less I understand about it. The Larry Bird exceptions
pick swaps. Now they've got an anti tanking three to
two one. Try to figure it out. It's confusing, it's
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hard to follow. This is sports, mid level exceptions, four
teams trades, pick swaps. Yesterday was hey, do you hear
about the big trade? Great player Browns goes to a
great team and then really good young player Rams and
a bunch of picks go to the Browns and everybody
can play along. We're not talking about the Larry Bird
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exception or pickswaps. I mean they've even got like anti
tanking stuff now, oh yeah, yeah, it's so much and
because and you see this in states like California, when
you have a lot of bureaucracy and regulations, it's tough
on business. It's tough to get houses built, tough to
get those solar panels put in. Well, it's the same
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thing in the NBA. They've got so many restrictions and
so much bureaucracy that it's made trades very rare in
the NBA. It feels like when I was a kid,
or I was younger, there was massive NBA trades. I mean,
we're talking about Giannis we'll probably talk about the Honis
deal till next trading deadline.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
It'll never happen. You just don't see a lot of trade.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
There's so much bureaucracy, so many swaps and picks and
the salaries have to match.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You're getting in the way of fun.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
The NFL big trade easy to digest, and they make
it so easy that general managers in the NFL, I
mean the Rams, the Browns redid a deal on Miles
Garrett's Miles Garrett's contract, and the Rams in Marx were like,
all right, let's go. They decided in March. It even
affected their draft picks. So sports should be fun. The
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NBA has got so much bureaucracy and so many regulations
and salaries have to match that nobody makes trades. Fans
love trades. I mean, yesterday was one of the great
ninety minutes at the end of a program we've ever had,
because everybody can play along. Great player goes to great team,
good young player goes to rebuilding team, and here's some picks,
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and I didn't have to worry about swaps and salaries
matching and cap sheet regulations and anti tanking bureaucracy, which
I can't figure out. Go ahead, you, I'm not a chef.
I don't know what this apron stuff means. I went online,
I read it. It's still confusing. Here's former O lineman
Rob Havenstein on the Miles Garrett to the Rams move.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
As good as Jarrett has been for the Rams over
these last past two years, you know, you get to
upgrade at that position. Obviously you spend a lot to
do it, but this kind of goes into you know,
the Rams. It's such an interesting offseason, Eric, because it's
you know, you go first round and you go draft
a quarterback that you know, you just have Branny NFL
MVP Matthew Stafford, and then all of a sudden, you
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make a slash play like this, and you know, my
initial thought was, you know, hey, we're the Rams are
trying to win now and they're trying to win in
the future, and they're just trying to win.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yep. It's a very good organization. Now.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
The other move that happened right after we talked about
this for months and months everybody a couple of years ago,
I had sat on this show they should trade aj
Brown in Philadelphia. I'm not sure if it's the scheme.
Jalen Hurts can't get the ball to him. He's obviously frustrated.
They've got plenty of good players around him. AJ Brown
deserves a great pocket quarterback.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Well he got one yesterday.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
He got traded to New England in the worst kept
secret in the NFL. And Drake may is by far
and away the best pocket quarterback and the best quarterback
talent AJ Brown's ever had. So there's a lot of
different angles to this. First of all, Philadelphia is going
to be fine. They couldn't get the ball to him anyway.
Jalen Hurtz has struggled for years to get the ball
to him. They have Saquon Barkley, They've got better than
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average tight ends. They already rebuilt their wide receiving cores.
Mackay Lemon's going to be a big productive player for them,
Devonte Smith wicks out of Green Bay. Philadelphia is going
to be fine. The roster's absolutely fantastic. So this is
a trade I would have made years ago. I thought
it was distracting last year. I also think what does
this do for the Patriots. Well, he changes the way
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everybody is going to be facing New England. Because when
you bring in a star pitcher or a star wide receiver.
You go back to Randy Moss and the Patriots. It
helps the tight ends, you can't cheat. It helps the
run game. So AJ Brown is going to fundamentally change
the offense for New England. And I think what's amazing
about AJ Brown? Since he entered the league, he is
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top four in yards and receiving touchdowns, which is unbelievable
because in Tennessee they had Derrick Henry and they were
the number two run percentage team in the NFL. And
then he goes to Philadelphia with Sakuon Barkley and they're
the number two rush team in the NFL. So he
has been insanely productive into run heavy offenses with what
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I would consider to be pretty average pocket quarterbacks Jalen
Hurts and Ryan Tannehill. So now he is the perfect
icing to the New England cake. The O line there
is not as good as Philadelphia, but Drake Maconsey over it.
I think he's going to be super productive. And Vrabel
loved him in Tennessee. I remember when he got moved
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out of Tennessee, Rabel went to the podium and literally
was beside himself like they didn't have an answer it.
And by the way, Rabel knew he was in trouble
because Tennessee, for whatever reasons, always feels like they're a
receiver or a tight end. Shy AJ Brown left their
offense Brabil Titans never felt the same. So here's a
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J now a Patriot, on his reunion with Mike.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I messed up in practice.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
He's like, get out.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, Like I'm like it's one time, like like.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Well, but he was just pushing me, just just just
focus on on on the on the little thing, the details,
and you know, he was holding me accountable and uh.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
And we just grew close over.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
The years and you know, my family and King his family,
his family came up and you know, we looked out
for each other.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
First text he fired off to you and I found
out it was.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
To go.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Get over to kiss the ball. That's what.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
It's it's interesting a J. Brown, and it's sports can
be cruel. Like you you come out of college, you
work really hard, you're totally committed, and you go to
the worst teams and so you know when guys like
Kevin Durant, you know, or in Oklahoma City and just
I'm gonna go somewhere else. Now, I don't have to
agree with all of Kevin Durant's moves, but I get
it he didn't have a choice. First it was Seattle,
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and then they moved to Oklahoma City, and then he
didn't get the ball enough, And then I get when
players move. AJ Brown is one of those pro athletes
and eventually it almost always works out that, you know,
if you're great. Matt Stafford eventually he got to the Rams,
he got a great coach, it almost always works out.
And AJ Brown is one of those guys where he's
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played on two teams, Philadelphia and Tennessee, that are heavy
run teams. It would be like Steph Curry and the
Warriors constantly pounding the ball to the paint and not
letting Steph shoot. So AJ Brown, I think could have
a major spike in production. And you may not get
drafted to the team you want, you may not end
up on your second team to the trade you want.
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But usually in pro sports, great players at some point.
Randy Moss eventually got Brady, and now AJ Brown eventually
gets Drake May and a coach that loves him and
a team that needs him. So you know, you guys
out there that play fantasy football. I think I talked
about this yesterday. Miles Garrett now goes to the Rams.
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Miles Garrett was insanely productive on a team Cleveland that
trails in the fourth quarter, so teams are running and
trying to kill the clock. Short passes kill the clock.
Miles Garrett doesn't have a lot of opportunities in the
last eight minutes of games in Cleveland. He now goes
to the Rams, which were second in the league last
year in creating third and sevens. So Miles Garrett is
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going to get seventy five more sack opportunities or around
there over the course of a season because the Rams
lead games in the fourth quarter and teams are playing
catch up. And it's the same thing when you look
at New England right now, he is the perfect player.
He finally gets the coach, the coordinator. I mean, if
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you're Aj Brown, this is a birthday present. This is
the greatest Christmas present.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Of all time.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
J Mak.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
We have a couple of things that are fascinating today.
I don't want to give one away because right before
the show I tease you on it and I send
some stuff over. Yeah, there is a story with Lebron
You better take it seriously, folks. It's fascinating, and I
think it's got legs.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
It might it.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Might have legs.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
I know you're hot on it.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
I think I will push back gently as I normally do,
but Colin real quick on that AJ Brown move. So
on a day where the Rams basically solidify their place
as the Super Bowl favorites for sure, Eagles are a
top four team in the NFC, and they lose AJ
Brown and get nothing in the immediate in return, it's
it's a little bit of a tough morning, I think
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right now for Philadelphia Eagles fans.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I don't I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I think they've already I mean they went and got
Wicks and Lemon Devonte Smith. I think they They're not
a pass first team. They couldn't get them the ball anyway.
I mean, it's we see this all the time in sports,
where there's a really talented player, but he's a bad
scheme fit. He just doesn't work for the team, and
then you see him go elsewhere and you're like, oh, yeah,
he's a better fit here. By the way, Saquon Barkley
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in New York was a very good player, but they
had a bad old line. They often trailed in the
second half of games, so the Giants had to throw
to play catchup. So Saquon Barkley was a bad fit
in New York. Philadelphia leads games because they have a
better team in the second half, so they depend on
Saquon Barkley to kill the clock better offensive line. So
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like Saquon Barkley is a great example. We knew he
was good in New York. Then he goes to Philadelphia
and you're like, holy hell, aj Brown, we know he's great.
Watch his numbers with Drake may explode. Watch And also,
if you look at the AFC, he's in a division
with Josh Allen. You're gonna get in, You're gonna get
into some track meets in that you're not gonna be
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able to stop Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
What do you have to do? You have to throw
the ball. So I think it happens a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You see it in a lot in the NFL where
there's a really good player but he's just in the
wrong spot and he's very good, but what he really
is is great in a bad scheme fit.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
So they had one in New York. Is a prime example.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
So that the Eagles got to two Super Bowls with
AJ Brown, will they get to another one in the
next three years?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Well, who knows.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I mean a lot of it's health. I don't know
if Jalen Hurts. Remember, Jalen Hurts is going into year
four of a five year deal. They got him a
new offensive coordinator, they got AJ Brown out of the building,
and there was some drama. Jalen Hurts after the season
may not be there. He won't be if he's a
one and done playoff quarterback like last year because Philadelphia
moved off Doug Peterson, who won a trophy.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Carson Wentz was in the MVP.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Philadelphia moves off successful Peel Chip Kelly went ten and six,
ten and six, had a winning record, and they got
rid of him. So, I mean, I don't know if
Jalen Hurts will be around after this season. I think
there's real questions coming up next. Draymond Green says, I'm
not impressed with the Knicks. The question is is a
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Welcome in our two. It's the Herd yesterday.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, I was talking about this to start the show today,
where the NFL makes it much easier to trade, and
I think fans love trades.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I know I do. I was freaking out yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
You know, the NFL's got red zone, the NBA's got
red tape. You know aprons, and you know pick swaps
and salaries have to match. Here we are Nick Spurs
about the play and the NFL steals their universe because
trading's easy. And I've always thought the NBA, and I've
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said this for years, gets two worked up on tanking.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
The teams that want to.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Do it do it.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
You know, it's like getting worked up over speeding people speed,
Like speeding tickets can't be the be all end all
of law enforcement. Obviously, you don't want somebody driving ninety
through a school zone, but get over it.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
People's speed.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
People are not going to stay within the speed limit,
and unless they're in a neighborhood or by a school district,
it can't be that big of a priority. If a
team's tanking, they're doing it because they want to get better.
I like bad teams wanting to get better. So I
just loved all the trades and we've had it. Used
to be the NBA, felt like the trade league. Now
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it's the NFL. So I just here to me are
the top ten moves so far in the offseason. I'm
not even including Trey Hendrickson to the Ravens or Malik
Willis to the Dolphins, and I think those are tremendous moves.
So number ten's Kenneth Walker. Now, Walker is really good
and had an unbelievable playoff run, and he is an
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area of need for the Chiefs, but he only averaged
sixty yards a game in the regular season and wasn't
always their red zone back. And he is a physical
back that gets dinged up. So again the postseason, Kenneth
Walker knew his contract situation. He played banged up and
he was tremendous in the Super Bowl. But there's some
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injury stuff to be concerned about. I still like the
move a lot for Kansas City. Nine would be Mike
Evans to the Niners. Again, why is he this low?
Injuries are an issue. I do think he's a grown
up and add stability to a receiving corp that's been
high maintenance between Ayuk and Deebo. You know you got
Kittle coming off an injury, Christian McCaffrey another massive workload.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I like Mike Evans a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
He's a he's a Hall of Fame player, But again,
like Kenneth Walker, there is a there is an injury
reality that we have to, you know, wrap our brains
around number eight.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I think Kyler Murray to the Vikings is gonna work.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I don't think it's going to be fourteen wins like
Sam Darnold, but I could see it being ten. I
think they have an elite coaching staff. I've told you
I think Brian Flores, best defensive coordinator in football. I
love Kevin O'Connell, and I think they have good players
left tackle, wide, receiver, running back. I think they're really
well run. I do now they have a new GM,
but and I also think sometimes people in life need
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a fresh start. I can't wait to watch this number. Van.
Don't tell me Cleveland's terrible. Don't tell me Cleveland was
a big loser yesterday. Cleveland has drafted so well the
last several years. Jared Verse to the Browns. You get
a cost controlled pass rusher, a cost controlled elite pass rusher.
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Those don't exist very much in the NFL. Now you
got Mason Graham, Spencer Fino, Casey Concepsion, Harold Fannin, Quinn,
Shawn Judkins, Jared Verse, Carson Swessinger. Cleveland's got young talent everywhere.
I love this move for Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Number six. DJ Moore to the Buffalo Bills. Listen it.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Basically it allows the rest of Buffalo's pass catchers to
play complimentary roles. Coleman, Shakir Dawson, Knox Kincaid. And that's
what they are. They're number two outlets, and so it's
like getting an ace pitcher.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Everybody moves down in the rotation.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
DJ Moore smart, veteran, durable, tough. I think Chicago's going
to miss him more than people think. Again, I'm not
putting him in the Jamar Chase class, but he's a
pro who's plays through pain. He's durable, he doesn't misstarts,
and I think the Bears a gonna miss him a
little bit. A Number five Trent McDuffie, a physical corner.
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He's going to create fumbles, He's going to get sacks.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
He's just a.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Great player who's very okay tackling and mixing it up.
A physical corner. He also like Walker to the Chiefs.
He's in his prime and he addresses a massive need.
They were bad at corner last year, so he was
worth the first round pick. Number number four, I would
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say Jalen Waddle to the Broncos. Everybody always talks about
his his you know, durability concerns. He's missed seven games
in five years. I don't worry about it, and he
gives them a number one receiver. Now, I think Courtland
Sutton is underrated, but we have to be honest about
what the NFL has become it's become more of a
wide receiver lead I used to call him icing on
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the cake.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It does matter.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I mean, JSN is a big reason the Seahawks got
to the Super Bowl, and Pukakua and Devonte Adams are
a big reason the Rams were in the NFC Championship.
So I think Jayleen Waddle is going to be a
big deal, especially with Sean Payton's play design. I think
he's going to be excellent. Number three AJ Brown to
the Patriots. This guy has been hyper productive with Ryan
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Tannehill and Jalen Hurts when Tennessee was the number two
rush percentage offense in the league and Philadelphia with Saquan
is the number two rush offense. So he's basically played
in run centric offenses with quarterbacks we don't love throwing
the ball down the field.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
And now he gets Drake May.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Fantasy football guys draft AJ Brown number two most underrated
pick on the offseason. Tyler Linderbaum to the Raiders. I
have told all my GM friends, why don't you guys
value centers? They set the protection. I mean, there's three
centers in this league that are amazing. You know. Creed
Humphrey obviously Kansas City linder Baum for a rookie quarterback.
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They had the worst rated old line or near the
bottom in the league. I think he is a massive
get for the Raiders. Stabilizes that interior O line number
one five straight seasons with fourteen sacks Miles Garrett. I've
been talking about this since the trade yesterday. What's really
interesting is Cleveland was a bad team that rarely led
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in the fourth quarter. So think about how productive Garrett
was with very few sack opportunities under seven minutes left.
Teams that played the Browns were running the clock out,
three step drop, get it out, secure reception. Now, the
Rams probably lead thirteen of their seventeen regular season games
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in the fourth and the Rams were second in the
NFL in career third and sevens. So these sack opportunities
are going to go through the roof for Miles Garrett.
When you say, I always say with Max Crosby, how
the hell does Max Crosby get that many sacks? The
Raiders are getting blown out the fourth quarter, teams are
running the clock out.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
We didn't even have opportunities to get sacked.
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Speaker 1 (22:30):
Like, Randy Moss and Edelman did overlap. Randy was there first,
I said Edelman was. Randy was there first, and then
for a year and a half, Edelman joined the Randy
Moss Patriots. And let's let's bring Julian on because I'm
not saying AJ Brown is Randy Moss, but I will
say this that Aj Brown with the run centric Titans
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and the run centric Eagles has been crazy. Top four productives,
So I think he's gonna pop a New England. But
let me ask you about that, because you were there
with Randy Moss. When you have a star number one
receiver in the receiver room during practice, during media scrums,
like how does it change the temperature of the room
you were you were young, you weren't established yet, but
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you were watching. You're an observer, You're self aware. How
did it change the temperature?
Speaker 6 (23:23):
You know, when I was a young football player, you
and you step in a receiver room with Randy Moss
generational receiver. You also have Wes Welker, who was an
elite player at that time, but with Randy specifically, everyone
just straightens up.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Like when you're a.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Young football player, you sitting on meeting Randy didn't have
to say anything, but you almost didn't want to let
him down because you saw how his practice was.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
You saw the examples that he was given.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
And anytime that you had an example as a young
football player, if the coaches put you on coaching take,
you'd like look over at Randy because you on his approval,
because he's.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
That big of an aura in the in that room.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
So you know, AJ, I think this is going to
be an awesome addition for them. By no means am
I calling him Randy. I think they're different types of players,
but when you get a guy like AJ Brown, instantly.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Everyone's job becomes easier in that room.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, and you you know Tom Brady's a friend of yours.
Do you feel sometimes if you're a receiver when you
have a star player obviously the quarterback I.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Mean Tom loved throwing to Randy.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Is can you feel sometimes do other players tight ends,
receivers get lost when you have a superstar receiver in
the room.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
I think I was always on teams that were mentally
tough enough to do what was best for the team
as long as we were winning and we had an
opportunity to win, and the guy you're bringing in the
room gives you an opportunity to win every single week.
Guys swallow their pride at least where I will us.
You know, that was that was a testament to all
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you know, the upper division, bringing in guys that wanted
to win.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
So I think you can't get lost in the sauce.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
But if you're getting lost in the sauce and you're
playing in a second Super Bowl in three years or
two years, I think he'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
So I saw the Miles Garrett move yesterday, and I
always felt in New England they didn't do this, and
I wish they would have. Maybe they did, but they
they never I never felt like they said, Okay, Tom's
getting older, let's stack the roster for Tom. Kind of
Bill did what Bill did, and it was always team first.
The Rams are like, listen, Matt's older, we're getting McDuffie,
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we're getting Garrett, we're getting Devonte Adams last year, we're
building everything. It's almost like the Warriors with Curry. We're
building everything around Matt's timeline. Where they love Verse, We're
gonna let him go three draft picks. I like, when
you get an older quarterback going for it, it can backfire.
But I don't feel like that was ever the New
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England way. Were you okay with giving up three picks
and a great young player in Jared Verse for an
older player in Miles Garrett.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Well, I think this is pretty standard protocol for Less
Snead and what he does, and it only works for
one specific reason, when you go out and get the
big free agents like they did six seven years ago
with Matthew Stafford after going to a Super Bowl. It
only works if you draft guys and they work out
on your team. The Kyron Williams in the fifth round,
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the Puka Nakua in the fourth round, the hitting on
your Jared Verse in the first round, who builds capital,
builds value enough for you to go out and get
a guy like Miles Garrett. You have to hit in
the draft for this whole thing to work. I mean
we can look at other teams and say, well, they
bring in guys and it doesn't really work out. It's
because they're not building through the draft as well. So
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seeing Less Sneaed go out and these guys at the
right positions that they feel that they need to go
out and win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
It's almost like deja vu to me.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
You know, you look at the high end players on
the Rams.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Stafford's gonna be a Hall of Famer, Miles gonna be
a Hall of Famer, PoCA Davonte Adams. You just start looking.
McDuffie has a chance to be a Hall of Fame player.
What is practice like? Go to the most talented Patriots
team you were ever on when you've got guys a
half a dozen guys that are Hall of famers? Is
practice more fun? Is it more competitive? Is it more intense?
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Because they brought into a great team. They brought in
two defensive players who may be in Canton.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
What does it make practice like?
Speaker 6 (27:44):
You know, if I was on the offense to La Rams,
I assure you they're all on their tech groups right
now saying we're gonna win the Super Bowl. It brings
a confidence in the building when you bring in guys
like that. For us, it was Durel Reebs and fourteen.
You know, we go to the AFC Championship in thirteen,
he gets hurt, we lose. We were kind of banged.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Up, and then we bring in Revis the very next year.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
He not only brought a confidence to us because of
the player he's shown that he was in the league,
but every day in practice I got to go against him.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
It made me a better player.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Every day in practice, that left tackle, that right tackle
for the Rams is gonna have to go against Miles Garrett.
That secondary's gonna or that the receivers are going to
have to go against that secondary.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
With mcduffy, it's going to.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Sharpen this iron on iron type mentality which we always
used to say.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
The practices are always.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
So good because we practiced so hard. When you have
great players on both sides of the ball, it just
creates a confidence. It makes work so fun. I mean,
I remember when we brought in Antonio Brown. For those
three weeks or two weeks, I don't think a ball
hit the ground literally in practice for four or five days.
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We had elite practices. Philip door Set had to raise
his game because Antonio came in, and it put a
fire up when everyone's bum you know, flashboard and was
making place. Everyone was playing to a whole other level
because Antonio came in and there's only so many balls,
and you know he's gonna get his, So everyone's got
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to bring their eg game to try to get the
ball in practice.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
So I think when you get.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
These type of superstar players, it ignites teams because it's
just like you look at the team, you look at
each other, and you're like, there's no excuse. We have
an opportunity to literally go out and win every single game.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
We strap them up this year.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
So yeah, And the other thing is Miles Garrett and Cleveland,
the Browns trailed in the fourth quarter whereas.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
The Rams every week.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, with the Rams lead in the fourth quarter, So
he's going to have far more opportunities to come off
the edge, screaming off the edge.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Mario Rivera, right there, baby, the closer is he's gonna
be the closer.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
So when Tom Brady retired, I don't think he knew
it going into the season. When you retired, I don't
think you knew it necessarily going into the season. Aaron
Rodgers has already said this is it. This is my
last year, and I thought he played pretty well last year.
But it is interesting to think about that, Like it's
one thing to go into a season and then week thirteen,
(30:18):
You're like, man, I'm not recovering from this high ankle sprain, Like,
this is it, I'm slower. I'm watching the film. Do
you worry a little bit that Aaron has already made
his mind up? This is it that you don't sit
in the pocket as long you're not going to take
that shot. You'll practice hard, you'll be a good teammate.
But it does you know, you don't want to break
(30:39):
stuff heading out the door in twenty weeks. That's the
only downside Aaron already making his mind up, Because I
do think it gives clarity to the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
They know, okay, we get one great year with Aaron.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
But do you worry a little bit that if you're
talking about it, you're thinking about it, it affects your play.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Fur Themjority? Yes, for Aaron.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
No, I mean, for all we know, he could have
went to the mountain side, did the Ayahuasca thing and
had a vision where he's going to have a full
stend year where he's going to leave everything on the field,
and it wouldn't surprise you. Last year he played significantly
better than the year before off the Achilles with the Jets.
I think he's going into another this year with more weapons,
(31:24):
a better offensive line, a little more continuity, and it's
essentially like having a coach on the field that's going
to get you in the right play every single time.
And when you got guys that don't want to get hit,
like when Brady was getting you know, the later parts
of his career. You know, they played so much football.
I remember there was a specific game in the AFC
Championship we couldn't block von Miller, so Tom got rid
(31:47):
of the ball before Von Miller ever got to him,
and he slid the protection to him every single time,
or he ran the ball away from him every single time,
and he wasn't and these veteran quarterbacks, he got maybe
three or four opportunities, and he knew he was gonna
get that. The veteran quarterback has the discipline to sit
(32:09):
there and potentially lose the game doing that kind of stuff,
nikeling and dining you and making the other team beat you.
So like with Aaron, nothing surprises me. I think he's
he's in his own little category.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I've become, you know, when.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Guys get this old, it's almost like I become more
of a fan of them now because They're doing things
that are you know, that are so hard, and Aaron
he still can throw it.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
So I'm excited to watch him. Man, this is gonna
be fun.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
And I don't even necessarily think this is his last year.
For all we know, he could probably come back and
play next year.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
We don't know.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
That's the unpredictable, unpredictable thing about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Finally, I would start Mendos the Fernando Mendos a week
one for two reasons. He played a lot of college football.
He's a completely dedicated kid. They with Miami, probably the
worst roster in the league. At home, it's a winnable game.
And I love the idea that Tyler Linderbaum, a smart
veteran center, going to call the protection. He's gonna be
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you know, that's a great, great first thing they did
in Chicago. Ben Johnson went and got Drew Dolman from Atlanta.
I'm getting Caleb Williams, a respected, smart veteran center, call
the protections, take it away from the kid.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I would start him early.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Do you think, having been in the locker room with
a lot of guys, including yourself, who walk into this league,
do you think it's just too much to ask a
kid for Nana Meadows, kid, you're starting, it is a
lot to ask. But I think Linderbaum, it's the Dolphins.
He played a lot of college football.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I'm not that worried about it. Would you be.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
I wouldn't start him right away. And that's because you
have Kirk.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
Cousins, a guy that's played in Quint Kubiak system, that
knows how to operate in that system. And there's so
much value to a young football players sitting there watching
a quarterback talk with an offensive coach in the meeting
on how to watch film, how he asks questions.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
There's so much value in that.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
I mean, I specifically remember Jimmy g He comes in
when TV was, you know, on his vacation, that for
the first floor and that post whatever gate that we had,
and he came in and it ran smoothly because he
got to sit and watch Tom every day. How he
talked to Josh McDaniels, how Tom talked to you know,
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the receivers, how he asked the question why did this
look not work?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
There's so much value to that.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
And it gets into one another thing with the expectation
of the first overall pick, you know, you throw them
out in the fire and you have a very capable
quarterback and Kirk Cousins behind you that's there, and then
maybe he gets his Welcome to the NFL moment Week one,
Week two, there's going to be one of those moments
you can't pull him and then bring Kirk back in
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and may ruin the confidence. You don't know, I mean,
we all see Fernando and how he handles the media
and the maturity is. I mean, you want this guy
to do well. We're all falling for this guy to
do well. But you know, I think with who they
got over there, you know, TV, and if he's given
any kind of influence, we all heard how he likes
quarterbacks to learn under someone. Let them go out and
(35:28):
do their thing, let them learn from someone, And I
think that's how I would I would go about it
as well.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
By the way, I just saw this came over Mike Reese.
He said, aj Brown chose number one. He's gonna wear
number one instead of number eleven. He wanted to respect
Julian Edelman even though he had Edelman's blessing, and it
brings him back to his roots.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Did you know he was going to do that.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I didn't. I gave him the blessing. But that's pretty
dangn cool. We've had a cool.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Relationship because you know, it's been pretty uh, it's been
pretty publicized that he's he was a Patriots fan growing
up and he hit me up one day and I
sent him a jersey.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
He asked for a jersey, and he's It was pretty cool.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
I mean, you got a superstar football player in the
league right now that you know he's still a football fan,
and you know, with that, with that attitude, it already
shows you that he's buying into the system. He's buying
into the Patriot Whey. He's got brave all over there.
He's excited. I mean, seriously, everyone's talking about, Oh look
(36:36):
at his off the field antics with the other team
of this, which was very similar to how Stefan Diggs was.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Diggs was when he came to the Patriots.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
He's got a motivation, he's got an alpha coach that's gonna,
you know, know, how to coach him. He's got Josh McDaniels.
I'm so excited for this. People are sleeping on Josh
McDaniels first year with like receivers, Randy Moss had twenty
three touch Brandon Marshall I had like one hundred and
eighteen catches first year receivers with Josh McDaniel's look.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Out, Yeah, you and I agree.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
I look at him.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I think he's going to be one hundred catch guy
and a twelve touchdown guy.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
I really do. I think he's going to be an
unbelievable player.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
And his versatility. I mean, you can put him in
a whole lot of areas because the Patriots, you know,
they can get in that thirteen personnel and you're one
receiver out there's a j Brown.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
You can manipulate the.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Coverage and you can put teams in certain coverages. And
he's a smart enough football player where we've seen him
play in the slot, you see him play at the X.
Josh can have a great plan for him. It's going
to be fun to watch and hopefully everyone can stay healthy.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
See a Jewels good, seeing as olds Buddy, good to.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
See you guys.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
You know, I think he's going to be They had
some video there of him at practice.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
He is just gonna you know it. Also, it's funny
because like Philadelphia is a hard place to play, Like
the sports Tall Radio is loud, the fans are crazy.
You got Dom the security guard, you got Sirianni. Half
the fans love him half don't. I mean, it's just
it's Philadelphia is a loud city.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
New England.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
The Patriots for all their success, and I mean Boston's
a big media market, but they kind of hide in
the New England region. Like it's just you know, the
media is because they've been so successful, it's pretty supportive.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
You've got a great coach who's proven.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, I mean for all of the success is it's
kind of a business environment. The fans are they're not.
I mean again, they love their team. But I always
think Philadelphia is a whole different animal than like a
New England, even New York. New England's you know, ownership,
front office, coach. Now you got an adult playing quarterback.
(38:51):
I think Aj Brown I don't see any issues. I
think it's often running week one. I think he's going
to be a Pro Bowl, first team All Pro I
really do. I think he's going to be unbelievable. In Chicago,
it's the hurt
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Here we go on a Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I don't know if we can duplicate yesterday's massive NFL trades.
It's the Herd wherever you may be, however you may
be listening, watching, whatever the platform is. Thanks for making
us part of your day. So yesterday, halfway through the show,
(00:50):
almost to the minute, Miles Garrett Brown's Rams and Rams
are now the first team that's ever had a raining
MVP on a team with the defensive MVP. So they're
overwhelming Super Bowl favorites. And I've said this through the years.
Sports should be fun. I mean, it's a business, but
(01:10):
I'm involved in a business.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's fun. It should be fun to come to work.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Right, I mean, in a funny business like comedy, take
it seriously, and in a serious business you've got to
have a sense of humor, lighten it up. And yesterday
in the NFL's number one in this country for a
lot of reasons. I think we've become an event culture,
and you know, one game a week as we're more
distracted on our phones all the platforms. You know, football's
(01:36):
kind of built for us now. But they also do
a lot of really smart things, like, for instance, they
stay away from politics. I know the media loves when
politics and sports are conjoined. The public doesn't. Most people
go to games for escapism. They'll get their politics somewhere else.
NFL is pretty good to stand out of that space.
They constantly tweak their rules, rigid or worried about nineteen
(02:02):
fifty or sixty, the catch, the pat the kickoff. They're
always tweaking stuff the rules committee. But more than anything,
the NFL doesn't get in the way of fun. Yesterday
was fun. It was easy to play along. Hey, Miles
Garrett to the Rams and Jared Verson three really good
(02:23):
picks to the Browns. The NBA, I mean between the
second apron, the first apron, google first apron NBA and
see what comes up. The more you read about it,
the less I understand about it. The Larry Bird exceptions
pick swaps. Now they've got an anti tanking three to
two one. Try to figure it out. It's confusing, it's
(02:46):
hard to follow. This is sports, mid level exceptions, four
teams trades, pick swaps. Yesterday was hey, do you hear
about the big trade? Great player Browns goes to a
great team and then really good young player Rams and
a bunch of picks go to the Browns and everybody
can play along. We're not talking about the Larry Bird
(03:08):
exception or pickswaps. I mean they've even got like anti
tanking stuff now, oh yeah, yeah, it's so much and
because and you see this in states like California, when
you have a lot of bureaucracy and regulations, it's tough
on business. It's tough to get houses built, tough to
get those solar panels put in. Well, it's the same
(03:29):
thing in the NBA. They've got so many restrictions and
so much bureaucracy that it's made trades very rare in
the NBA. It feels like when I was a kid,
or I was younger, there was massive NBA trades. I mean,
we're talking about Giannis we'll probably talk about the Honis
deal till next trading deadline.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
It'll never happen. You just don't see a lot of trade.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
There's so much bureaucracy, so many swaps and picks and
the salaries have to match.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You're getting in the way of fun.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
The NFL big trade easy to digest, and they make
it so easy that general managers in the NFL, I
mean the Rams, the Browns redid a deal on Miles
Garrett's Miles Garrett's contract, and the Rams in Marx were like,
all right, let's go. They decided in March. It even
affected their draft picks. So sports should be fun. The
(04:19):
NBA has got so much bureaucracy and so many regulations
and salaries have to match that nobody makes trades. Fans
love trades. I mean, yesterday was one of the great
ninety minutes at the end of a program we've ever had,
because everybody can play along. Great player goes to great team,
good young player goes to rebuilding team, and here's some picks,
(04:41):
and I didn't have to worry about swaps and salaries
matching and cap sheet regulations and anti tanking bureaucracy, which
I can't figure out. Go ahead, you, I'm not a chef.
I don't know what this apron stuff means. I went online,
I read it. It's still confusing. Here's former O lineman
Rob Havenstein on the Miles Garrett to the Rams move.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
As good as Jarrett has been for the Rams over
these last past two years, you know, you get to
upgrade at that position. Obviously you spend a lot to
do it, but this kind of goes into you know,
the Rams. It's such an interesting offseason, Eric, because it's
you know, you go first round and you go draft
a quarterback that you know, you just have Branny NFL
MVP Matthew Stafford, and then all of a sudden, you
(05:29):
make a slash play like this, and you know, my
initial thought was, you know, hey, we're the Rams are
trying to win now and they're trying to win in
the future, and they're just trying to win.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yep. It's a very good organization. Now.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
The other move that happened right after we talked about
this for months and months everybody a couple of years ago,
I had sat on this show they should trade aj
Brown in Philadelphia. I'm not sure if it's the scheme.
Jalen Hurts can't get the ball to him. He's obviously frustrated.
They've got plenty of good players around him. AJ Brown
deserves a great pocket quarterback.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Well he got one yesterday.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
He got traded to New England in the worst kept
secret in the NFL. And Drake may is by far
and away the best pocket quarterback and the best quarterback
talent AJ Brown's ever had. So there's a lot of
different angles to this. First of all, Philadelphia is going
to be fine. They couldn't get the ball to him anyway.
Jalen Hurtz has struggled for years to get the ball
to him. They have Saquon Barkley, They've got better than
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average tight ends. They already rebuilt their wide receiving cores.
Mackay Lemon's going to be a big productive player for them,
Devonte Smith wicks out of Green Bay. Philadelphia is going
to be fine. The roster's absolutely fantastic. So this is
a trade I would have made years ago. I thought
it was distracting last year. I also think what does
this do for the Patriots. Well, he changes the way
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everybody is going to be facing New England. Because when
you bring in a star pitcher or a star wide receiver.
You go back to Randy Moss and the Patriots. It
helps the tight ends, you can't cheat. It helps the
run game. So AJ Brown is going to fundamentally change
the offense for New England. And I think what's amazing
about AJ Brown? Since he entered the league, he is
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top four in yards and receiving touchdowns, which is unbelievable
because in Tennessee they had Derrick Henry and they were
the number two run percentage team in the NFL. And
then he goes to Philadelphia with Sakuon Barkley and they're
the number two rush team in the NFL. So he
has been insanely productive into run heavy offenses with what
(07:28):
I would consider to be pretty average pocket quarterbacks Jalen
Hurts and Ryan Tannehill. So now he is the perfect
icing to the New England cake. The O line there
is not as good as Philadelphia, but Drake Maconsey over it.
I think he's going to be super productive. And Vrabel
loved him in Tennessee. I remember when he got moved
(07:49):
out of Tennessee, Rabel went to the podium and literally
was beside himself like they didn't have an answer it.
And by the way, Rabel knew he was in trouble
because Tennessee, for whatever reasons, always feels like they're a
receiver or a tight end. Shy AJ Brown left their
offense Brabil Titans never felt the same. So here's a
(08:10):
J now a Patriot, on his reunion with Mike.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I messed up in practice.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
He's like, get out.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, Like I'm like it's one time, like like.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Well, but he was just pushing me, just just just
focus on on on the on the little thing, the details,
and you know, he was holding me accountable and uh.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
And we just grew close over.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
The years and you know, my family and King his family,
his family came up and you know, we looked out
for each other.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
First text he fired off to you and I found
out it was.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
To go.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Get over to kiss the ball. That's what.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
It's it's interesting a J. Brown, and it's sports can
be cruel. Like you you come out of college, you
work really hard, you're totally committed, and you go to
the worst teams and so you know when guys like
Kevin Durant, you know, or in Oklahoma City and just
I'm gonna go somewhere else. Now, I don't have to
agree with all of Kevin Durant's moves, but I get
it he didn't have a choice. First it was Seattle,
(09:06):
and then they moved to Oklahoma City, and then he
didn't get the ball enough, And then I get when
players move. AJ Brown is one of those pro athletes
and eventually it almost always works out that, you know,
if you're great. Matt Stafford eventually he got to the Rams,
he got a great coach, it almost always works out.
And AJ Brown is one of those guys where he's
(09:28):
played on two teams, Philadelphia and Tennessee, that are heavy
run teams. It would be like Steph Curry and the
Warriors constantly pounding the ball to the paint and not
letting Steph shoot. So AJ Brown, I think could have
a major spike in production. And you may not get
drafted to the team you want, you may not end
up on your second team to the trade you want.
(09:50):
But usually in pro sports, great players at some point.
Randy Moss eventually got Brady, and now AJ Brown eventually
gets Drake May and a coach that loves him and
a team that needs him. So you know, you guys
out there that play fantasy football. I think I talked
about this yesterday. Miles Garrett now goes to the Rams.
(10:14):
Miles Garrett was insanely productive on a team Cleveland that
trails in the fourth quarter, so teams are running and
trying to kill the clock. Short passes kill the clock.
Miles Garrett doesn't have a lot of opportunities in the
last eight minutes of games in Cleveland. He now goes
to the Rams, which were second in the league last
year in creating third and sevens. So Miles Garrett is
(10:36):
going to get seventy five more sack opportunities or around
there over the course of a season because the Rams
lead games in the fourth quarter and teams are playing
catch up. And it's the same thing when you look
at New England right now, he is the perfect player.
He finally gets the coach, the coordinator. I mean, if
(10:57):
you're Aj Brown, this is a birthday present. This is
the greatest Christmas present.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Of all time.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
J Mak.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
We have a couple of things that are fascinating today.
I don't want to give one away because right before
the show I tease you on it and I send
some stuff over. Yeah, there is a story with Lebron
You better take it seriously, folks. It's fascinating, and I
think it's got legs.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
It might it.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Might have legs.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
I know you're hot on it.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
I think I will push back gently as I normally do,
but Colin real quick on that AJ Brown move. So
on a day where the Rams basically solidify their place
as the Super Bowl favorites for sure, Eagles are a
top four team in the NFC, and they lose AJ
Brown and get nothing in the immediate in return, it's
it's a little bit of a tough morning, I think
(11:47):
right now for Philadelphia Eagles fans.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I don't I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I think they've already I mean they went and got
Wicks and Lemon Devonte Smith. I think they They're not
a pass first team. They couldn't get them the ball anyway.
I mean, it's we see this all the time in sports,
where there's a really talented player, but he's a bad
scheme fit. He just doesn't work for the team, and
then you see him go elsewhere and you're like, oh, yeah,
he's a better fit here. By the way, Saquon Barkley
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in New York was a very good player, but they
had a bad old line. They often trailed in the
second half of games, so the Giants had to throw
to play catchup. So Saquon Barkley was a bad fit
in New York. Philadelphia leads games because they have a
better team in the second half, so they depend on
Saquon Barkley to kill the clock better offensive line. So
(12:35):
like Saquon Barkley is a great example. We knew he
was good in New York. Then he goes to Philadelphia
and you're like, holy hell, aj Brown, we know he's great.
Watch his numbers with Drake may explode. Watch And also,
if you look at the AFC, he's in a division
with Josh Allen. You're gonna get in, You're gonna get
into some track meets in that you're not gonna be
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able to stop Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
What do you have to do? You have to throw
the ball. So I think it happens a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You see it in a lot in the NFL where
there's a really good player but he's just in the
wrong spot and he's very good, but what he really
is is great in a bad scheme fit.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
So they had one in New York. Is a prime example.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
So that the Eagles got to two Super Bowls with
AJ Brown, will they get to another one in the
next three years?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Well, who knows.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I mean a lot of it's health. I don't know
if Jalen Hurts. Remember, Jalen Hurts is going into year
four of a five year deal. They got him a
new offensive coordinator, they got AJ Brown out of the building,
and there was some drama. Jalen Hurts after the season
may not be there. He won't be if he's a
one and done playoff quarterback like last year because Philadelphia
moved off Doug Peterson, who won a trophy.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Carson Wentz was in the MVP.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Philadelphia moves off successful Peel Chip Kelly went ten and six,
ten and six, had a winning record, and they got
rid of him. So, I mean, I don't know if
Jalen Hurts will be around after this season. I think
there's real questions coming up next. Draymond Green says, I'm
not impressed with the Knicks. The question is is a
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Welcome in our two. It's the Herd yesterday.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, I was talking about this to start the show today,
where the NFL makes it much easier to trade, and
I think fans love trades.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I know I do. I was freaking out yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
You know, the NFL's got red zone, the NBA's got
red tape. You know aprons, and you know pick swaps
and salaries have to match. Here we are Nick Spurs
about the play and the NFL steals their universe because
trading's easy. And I've always thought the NBA, and I've
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said this for years, gets two worked up on tanking.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
The teams that want to.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Do it do it.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
You know, it's like getting worked up over speeding people speed,
Like speeding tickets can't be the be all end all
of law enforcement. Obviously, you don't want somebody driving ninety
through a school zone, but get over it.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
People's speed.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
People are not going to stay within the speed limit,
and unless they're in a neighborhood or by a school district,
it can't be that big of a priority. If a
team's tanking, they're doing it because they want to get better.
I like bad teams wanting to get better. So I
just loved all the trades and we've had it. Used
to be the NBA, felt like the trade league. Now
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it's the NFL. So I just here to me are
the top ten moves so far in the offseason. I'm
not even including Trey Hendrickson to the Ravens or Malik
Willis to the Dolphins, and I think those are tremendous moves.
So number ten's Kenneth Walker. Now, Walker is really good
and had an unbelievable playoff run, and he is an
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area of need for the Chiefs, but he only averaged
sixty yards a game in the regular season and wasn't
always their red zone back. And he is a physical
back that gets dinged up. So again the postseason, Kenneth
Walker knew his contract situation. He played banged up and
he was tremendous in the Super Bowl. But there's some
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injury stuff to be concerned about. I still like the
move a lot for Kansas City. Nine would be Mike
Evans to the Niners. Again, why is he this low?
Injuries are an issue. I do think he's a grown
up and add stability to a receiving corp that's been
high maintenance between Ayuk and Deebo. You know you got
Kittle coming off an injury, Christian McCaffrey another massive workload.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I like Mike Evans a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
He's a he's a Hall of Fame player, But again,
like Kenneth Walker, there is a there is an injury
reality that we have to, you know, wrap our brains
around number eight.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I think Kyler Murray to the Vikings is gonna work.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I don't think it's going to be fourteen wins like
Sam Darnold, but I could see it being ten. I
think they have an elite coaching staff. I've told you
I think Brian Flores, best defensive coordinator in football. I
love Kevin O'Connell, and I think they have good players
left tackle, wide, receiver, running back. I think they're really
well run. I do now they have a new GM,
but and I also think sometimes people in life need
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a fresh start. I can't wait to watch this number. Van.
Don't tell me Cleveland's terrible. Don't tell me Cleveland was
a big loser yesterday. Cleveland has drafted so well the
last several years. Jared Verse to the Browns. You get
a cost controlled pass rusher, a cost controlled elite pass rusher.
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Those don't exist very much in the NFL. Now you
got Mason Graham, Spencer Fino, Casey Concepsion, Harold Fannin, Quinn,
Shawn Judkins, Jared Verse, Carson Swessinger. Cleveland's got young talent everywhere.
I love this move for Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Number six. DJ Moore to the Buffalo Bills. Listen it.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Basically it allows the rest of Buffalo's pass catchers to
play complimentary roles. Coleman, Shakir Dawson, Knox Kincaid. And that's
what they are. They're number two outlets, and so it's
like getting an ace pitcher.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Everybody moves down in the rotation.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
DJ Moore smart, veteran, durable, tough. I think Chicago's going
to miss him more than people think. Again, I'm not
putting him in the Jamar Chase class, but he's a
pro who's plays through pain. He's durable, he doesn't misstarts,
and I think the Bears a gonna miss him a
little bit. A Number five Trent McDuffie, a physical corner.
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He's going to create fumbles, He's going to get sacks.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
He's just a.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Great player who's very okay tackling and mixing it up.
A physical corner. He also like Walker to the Chiefs.
He's in his prime and he addresses a massive need.
They were bad at corner last year, so he was
worth the first round pick. Number number four, I would
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say Jalen Waddle to the Broncos. Everybody always talks about
his his you know, durability concerns. He's missed seven games
in five years. I don't worry about it, and he
gives them a number one receiver. Now, I think Courtland
Sutton is underrated, but we have to be honest about
what the NFL has become it's become more of a
wide receiver lead I used to call him icing on
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the cake.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It does matter.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I mean, JSN is a big reason the Seahawks got
to the Super Bowl, and Pukakua and Devonte Adams are
a big reason the Rams were in the NFC Championship.
So I think Jayleen Waddle is going to be a
big deal, especially with Sean Payton's play design. I think
he's going to be excellent. Number three AJ Brown to
the Patriots. This guy has been hyper productive with Ryan
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Tannehill and Jalen Hurts when Tennessee was the number two
rush percentage offense in the league and Philadelphia with Saquan
is the number two rush offense. So he's basically played
in run centric offenses with quarterbacks we don't love throwing
the ball down the field.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
And now he gets Drake May.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Fantasy football guys draft AJ Brown number two most underrated
pick on the offseason. Tyler Linderbaum to the Raiders. I
have told all my GM friends, why don't you guys
value centers? They set the protection. I mean, there's three
centers in this league that are amazing. You know. Creed
Humphrey obviously Kansas City linder Baum for a rookie quarterback.
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They had the worst rated old line or near the
bottom in the league. I think he is a massive
get for the Raiders. Stabilizes that interior O line number
one five straight seasons with fourteen sacks Miles Garrett. I've
been talking about this since the trade yesterday. What's really
interesting is Cleveland was a bad team that rarely led
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in the fourth quarter. So think about how productive Garrett
was with very few sack opportunities under seven minutes left.
Teams that played the Browns were running the clock out,
three step drop, get it out, secure reception. Now, the
Rams probably lead thirteen of their seventeen regular season games
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in the fourth and the Rams were second in the
NFL in career third and sevens. So these sack opportunities
are going to go through the roof for Miles Garrett.
When you say, I always say with Max Crosby, how
the hell does Max Crosby get that many sacks? The
Raiders are getting blown out the fourth quarter, teams are
running the clock out.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
We didn't even have opportunities to get sacked.
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Speaker 1 (22:30):
Like, Randy Moss and Edelman did overlap. Randy was there first,
I said Edelman was. Randy was there first, and then
for a year and a half, Edelman joined the Randy
Moss Patriots. And let's let's bring Julian on because I'm
not saying AJ Brown is Randy Moss, but I will
say this that Aj Brown with the run centric Titans
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and the run centric Eagles has been crazy. Top four productives,
So I think he's gonna pop a New England. But
let me ask you about that, because you were there
with Randy Moss. When you have a star number one
receiver in the receiver room during practice, during media scrums,
like how does it change the temperature of the room
you were you were young, you weren't established yet, but
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you were watching. You're an observer, You're self aware. How
did it change the temperature?
Speaker 6 (23:23):
You know, when I was a young football player, you
and you step in a receiver room with Randy Moss
generational receiver. You also have Wes Welker, who was an
elite player at that time, but with Randy specifically, everyone
just straightens up.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Like when you're a.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Young football player, you sitting on meeting Randy didn't have
to say anything, but you almost didn't want to let
him down because you saw how his practice was.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
You saw the examples that he was given.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
And anytime that you had an example as a young
football player, if the coaches put you on coaching take,
you'd like look over at Randy because you on his approval,
because he's.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
That big of an aura in the in that room.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
So you know, AJ, I think this is going to
be an awesome addition for them. By no means am
I calling him Randy. I think they're different types of players,
but when you get a guy like AJ Brown, instantly.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Everyone's job becomes easier in that room.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, and you you know Tom Brady's a friend of yours.
Do you feel sometimes if you're a receiver when you
have a star player obviously the quarterback I.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Mean Tom loved throwing to Randy.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Is can you feel sometimes do other players tight ends,
receivers get lost when you have a superstar receiver in
the room.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
I think I was always on teams that were mentally
tough enough to do what was best for the team
as long as we were winning and we had an
opportunity to win, and the guy you're bringing in the
room gives you an opportunity to win every single week.
Guys swallow their pride at least where I will us.
You know, that was that was a testament to all
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you know, the upper division, bringing in guys that wanted
to win.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
So I think you can't get lost in the sauce.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
But if you're getting lost in the sauce and you're
playing in a second Super Bowl in three years or
two years, I think he'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
So I saw the Miles Garrett move yesterday, and I
always felt in New England they didn't do this, and
I wish they would have. Maybe they did, but they
they never I never felt like they said, Okay, Tom's
getting older, let's stack the roster for Tom. Kind of
Bill did what Bill did, and it was always team first.
The Rams are like, listen, Matt's older, we're getting McDuffie,
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we're getting Garrett, we're getting Devonte Adams last year, we're
building everything. It's almost like the Warriors with Curry. We're
building everything around Matt's timeline. Where they love Verse, We're
gonna let him go three draft picks. I like, when
you get an older quarterback going for it, it can backfire.
But I don't feel like that was ever the New
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England way. Were you okay with giving up three picks
and a great young player in Jared Verse for an
older player in Miles Garrett.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Well, I think this is pretty standard protocol for Less
Snead and what he does, and it only works for
one specific reason, when you go out and get the
big free agents like they did six seven years ago
with Matthew Stafford after going to a Super Bowl. It
only works if you draft guys and they work out
on your team. The Kyron Williams in the fifth round,
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the Puka Nakua in the fourth round, the hitting on
your Jared Verse in the first round, who builds capital,
builds value enough for you to go out and get
a guy like Miles Garrett. You have to hit in
the draft for this whole thing to work. I mean
we can look at other teams and say, well, they
bring in guys and it doesn't really work out. It's
because they're not building through the draft as well. So
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seeing Less Sneaed go out and these guys at the
right positions that they feel that they need to go
out and win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
It's almost like deja vu to me.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
You know, you look at the high end players on
the Rams.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Stafford's gonna be a Hall of Famer, Miles gonna be
a Hall of Famer, PoCA Davonte Adams. You just start looking.
McDuffie has a chance to be a Hall of Fame player.
What is practice like? Go to the most talented Patriots
team you were ever on when you've got guys a
half a dozen guys that are Hall of famers? Is
practice more fun? Is it more competitive? Is it more intense?
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Because they brought into a great team. They brought in
two defensive players who may be in Canton.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
What does it make practice like?
Speaker 6 (27:44):
You know, if I was on the offense to La Rams,
I assure you they're all on their tech groups right
now saying we're gonna win the Super Bowl. It brings
a confidence in the building when you bring in guys
like that. For us, it was Durel Reebs and fourteen.
You know, we go to the AFC Championship in thirteen,
he gets hurt, we lose. We were kind of banged.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Up, and then we bring in Revis the very next year.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
He not only brought a confidence to us because of
the player he's shown that he was in the league,
but every day in practice I got to go against him.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
It made me a better player.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Every day in practice, that left tackle, that right tackle
for the Rams is gonna have to go against Miles Garrett.
That secondary's gonna or that the receivers are going to
have to go against that secondary.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
With mcduffy, it's going to.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Sharpen this iron on iron type mentality which we always
used to say.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
The practices are always.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
So good because we practiced so hard. When you have
great players on both sides of the ball, it just
creates a confidence. It makes work so fun. I mean,
I remember when we brought in Antonio Brown. For those
three weeks or two weeks, I don't think a ball
hit the ground literally in practice for four or five days.
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We had elite practices. Philip door Set had to raise
his game because Antonio came in, and it put a
fire up when everyone's bum you know, flashboard and was
making place. Everyone was playing to a whole other level
because Antonio came in and there's only so many balls,
and you know he's gonna get his, So everyone's got
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to bring their eg game to try to get the
ball in practice.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
So I think when you get.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
These type of superstar players, it ignites teams because it's
just like you look at the team, you look at
each other, and you're like, there's no excuse. We have
an opportunity to literally go out and win every single game.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
We strap them up this year.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
So yeah, And the other thing is Miles Garrett and Cleveland,
the Browns trailed in the fourth quarter whereas.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
The Rams every week.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, with the Rams lead in the fourth quarter, So
he's going to have far more opportunities to come off
the edge, screaming off the edge.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Mario Rivera, right there, baby, the closer is he's gonna
be the closer.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
So when Tom Brady retired, I don't think he knew
it going into the season. When you retired, I don't
think you knew it necessarily going into the season. Aaron
Rodgers has already said this is it. This is my
last year, and I thought he played pretty well last year.
But it is interesting to think about that, Like it's
one thing to go into a season and then week thirteen,
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You're like, man, I'm not recovering from this high ankle sprain, Like,
this is it, I'm slower. I'm watching the film. Do
you worry a little bit that Aaron has already made
his mind up? This is it that you don't sit
in the pocket as long you're not going to take
that shot. You'll practice hard, you'll be a good teammate.
But it does you know, you don't want to break
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stuff heading out the door in twenty weeks. That's the
only downside Aaron already making his mind up, Because I
do think it gives clarity to the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
They know, okay, we get one great year with Aaron.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
But do you worry a little bit that if you're
talking about it, you're thinking about it, it affects your play.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Fur Themjority? Yes, for Aaron.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
No, I mean, for all we know, he could have
went to the mountain side, did the Ayahuasca thing and
had a vision where he's going to have a full
stend year where he's going to leave everything on the field,
and it wouldn't surprise you. Last year he played significantly
better than the year before off the Achilles with the Jets.
I think he's going into another this year with more weapons,
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a better offensive line, a little more continuity, and it's
essentially like having a coach on the field that's going
to get you in the right play every single time.
And when you got guys that don't want to get hit,
like when Brady was getting you know, the later parts
of his career. You know, they played so much football.
I remember there was a specific game in the AFC
Championship we couldn't block von Miller, so Tom got rid
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of the ball before Von Miller ever got to him,
and he slid the protection to him every single time,
or he ran the ball away from him every single time,
and he wasn't and these veteran quarterbacks, he got maybe
three or four opportunities, and he knew he was gonna
get that. The veteran quarterback has the discipline to sit
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there and potentially lose the game doing that kind of stuff,
nikeling and dining you and making the other team beat you.
So like with Aaron, nothing surprises me. I think he's
he's in his own little category.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I've become, you know, when.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Guys get this old, it's almost like I become more
of a fan of them now because They're doing things
that are you know, that are so hard, and Aaron
he still can throw it.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
So I'm excited to watch him. Man, this is gonna
be fun.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
And I don't even necessarily think this is his last year.
For all we know, he could probably come back and
play next year.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
We don't know.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
That's the unpredictable, unpredictable thing about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Finally, I would start Mendos the Fernando Mendos a week
one for two reasons. He played a lot of college football.
He's a completely dedicated kid. They with Miami, probably the
worst roster in the league. At home, it's a winnable game.
And I love the idea that Tyler Linderbaum, a smart
veteran center, going to call the protection. He's gonna be
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you know, that's a great, great first thing they did
in Chicago. Ben Johnson went and got Drew Dolman from Atlanta.
I'm getting Caleb Williams, a respected, smart veteran center, call
the protections, take it away from the kid.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I would start him early.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Do you think, having been in the locker room with
a lot of guys, including yourself, who walk into this league,
do you think it's just too much to ask a
kid for Nana Meadows, kid, you're starting, it is a
lot to ask. But I think Linderbaum, it's the Dolphins.
He played a lot of college football.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I'm not that worried about it. Would you be.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
I wouldn't start him right away. And that's because you
have Kirk.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
Cousins, a guy that's played in Quint Kubiak system, that
knows how to operate in that system. And there's so
much value to a young football players sitting there watching
a quarterback talk with an offensive coach in the meeting
on how to watch film, how he asks questions.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
There's so much value in that.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
I mean, I specifically remember Jimmy g He comes in
when TV was, you know, on his vacation, that for
the first floor and that post whatever gate that we had,
and he came in and it ran smoothly because he
got to sit and watch Tom every day. How he
talked to Josh McDaniels, how Tom talked to you know,
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the receivers, how he asked the question why did this
look not work?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
There's so much value to that.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
And it gets into one another thing with the expectation
of the first overall pick, you know, you throw them
out in the fire and you have a very capable
quarterback and Kirk Cousins behind you that's there, and then
maybe he gets his Welcome to the NFL moment Week one,
Week two, there's going to be one of those moments
you can't pull him and then bring Kirk back in
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and may ruin the confidence. You don't know, I mean,
we all see Fernando and how he handles the media
and the maturity is. I mean, you want this guy
to do well. We're all falling for this guy to
do well. But you know, I think with who they
got over there, you know, TV, and if he's given
any kind of influence, we all heard how he likes
quarterbacks to learn under someone. Let them go out and
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do their thing, let them learn from someone, And I
think that's how I would I would go about it
as well.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
By the way, I just saw this came over Mike Reese.
He said, aj Brown chose number one. He's gonna wear
number one instead of number eleven. He wanted to respect
Julian Edelman even though he had Edelman's blessing, and it
brings him back to his roots.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Did you know he was going to do that.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I didn't. I gave him the blessing. But that's pretty
dangn cool. We've had a cool.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Relationship because you know, it's been pretty uh, it's been
pretty publicized that he's he was a Patriots fan growing
up and he hit me up one day and I
sent him a jersey.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
He asked for a jersey, and he's It was pretty cool.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
I mean, you got a superstar football player in the
league right now that you know he's still a football fan,
and you know, with that, with that attitude, it already
shows you that he's buying into the system. He's buying
into the Patriot Whey. He's got brave all over there.
He's excited. I mean, seriously, everyone's talking about, Oh look
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at his off the field antics with the other team
of this, which was very similar to how Stefan Diggs was.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Diggs was when he came to the Patriots.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
He's got a motivation, he's got an alpha coach that's gonna,
you know, know, how to coach him. He's got Josh McDaniels.
I'm so excited for this. People are sleeping on Josh
McDaniels first year with like receivers, Randy Moss had twenty
three touch Brandon Marshall I had like one hundred and
eighteen catches first year receivers with Josh McDaniel's look.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Out, Yeah, you and I agree.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
I look at him.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I think he's going to be one hundred catch guy
and a twelve touchdown guy.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
I really do. I think he's going to be an
unbelievable player.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
And his versatility. I mean, you can put him in
a whole lot of areas because the Patriots, you know,
they can get in that thirteen personnel and you're one
receiver out there's a j Brown.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
You can manipulate the.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Coverage and you can put teams in certain coverages. And
he's a smart enough football player where we've seen him
play in the slot, you see him play at the X.
Josh can have a great plan for him. It's going
to be fun to watch and hopefully everyone can stay healthy.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
See a Jewels good, seeing as olds Buddy, good to.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
See you guys.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
You know, I think he's going to be They had
some video there of him at practice.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
He is just gonna you know it. Also, it's funny
because like Philadelphia is a hard place to play, Like
the sports Tall Radio is loud, the fans are crazy.
You got Dom the security guard, you got Sirianni. Half
the fans love him half don't. I mean, it's just
it's Philadelphia is a loud city.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
New England.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
The Patriots for all their success, and I mean Boston's
a big media market, but they kind of hide in
the New England region. Like it's just you know, the
media is because they've been so successful, it's pretty supportive.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
You've got a great coach who's proven.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, I mean for all of the success is it's
kind of a business environment. The fans are they're not.
I mean again, they love their team. But I always
think Philadelphia is a whole different animal than like a
New England, even New York. New England's you know, ownership,
front office, coach. Now you got an adult playing quarterback.
(38:51):
I think Aj Brown I don't see any issues. I
think it's often running week one. I think he's going
to be a Pro Bowl, first team All Pro I
really do. I think he's going to be unbelievable. In Chicago,
it's the hurt
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