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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Man, there's a lot to talk about. Alexi Lawless, Derek Jeter,
stop on by.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
We are live in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
That stupid stomach virus I had out of here, just
brushed it aside. Steaking to Martini later feel like a
million bucks. So let me tell you the thing where
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fans can be hypocrits.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
And it's the dumbest argument in the world.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
If you good job at Nvidia, would your buddies, your wife,
your friends say what a ring chaser?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
That's the easy way out.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
In every profession in America. Otani goes to the Dodgers.
He selects the Dodgers. He's not called a ring chaser.
If you're a high school football five star recruit, you
decide I want to go to Ohio State instead of Purdue.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
We celebrate it.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
At il kid goes I want to go play for
Michigan and Dusty May we celebrate it. But in professional basketball,
it's the only part of America if you join a
better option.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Puh what a ring chaser.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Lebron James reportedly is going to make a decision in
forty eight hours where he's going. He should go to Philadelphia.
He should go to Philadelphia. That's the best team, by far,
best chance to win a championship. Who cares what bots
say on the internet, chase Philadelphia. The problem is he
didn't have great connection to the city of Philadelphia, doesn't
know a lot of guys in the roster. But it's
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by far and away the best situation. I'd go in
one second, Dude, it's Navidia. Go ahead and work at
Bob's local computer store in Cleveland. The Cavaliers aren't the
best fit. It's the Lakers with better rim protection. Harden
and Donovan Mitchell don't play defense and need the ball.
That's Austin Reeves and Luca and by the way Lebron's
last several years in Los Angeles for the record, when
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he chose the Lakers, it was the opposite of ring chasing.
The four previous years, the Lakers, who had one of
the poorest ownership groups in the NBA, had the worst
record in the NBA and the worst point differential. He
went the opposite. How'd it work out in the end?
Frustrated nobody could stay healthy, Luca couldn't stay healthy, eight
he couldn't stay healthy. Austin Reeves and the playoffs couldn't
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stay healthy. Average bench. So what did it get him?
A COVID ring in Miami? He got to four straight finals.
Oh ring chasing? Yea, he wanted to play and work
with good coworkers. I don't even get ring chasing. What
does that mean every other person on the plant? When
I had opportunities to leave. In my entire career, I've
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never once said I want to go. I want to
go work with lesser management. You know what I like
is bad teammates that need the ball and don't play defense.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That's what I'd like to do.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
The whole fear about Philadelphia from the Rich Paul group
is and they're already sending messages.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
It would be viewed as ring chasing.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
No, it would be viewed as meeting contemporaries that have
put the commitment in you have. By the way, the
Lakers in Cleveland, it's the same team with rim protection
the last several years in La Austin Reeves and Luca
and Anthony Davis. They can't stay healthy if you go
play for Philadelphia. Tyrese Maxey has led the NBA in
minutes played the last two years. Durable, reliable, ascending, committed,
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impeccable shape. Jalen Brown's in great shape. Edge Comb's a
dog man. He is fantastic. Yeah, embiid em Bead's not
necessarily healthy. Some of that's his body breaking down. But
the idea of your goal to go to Golden State,
Golden State's nostalgia, I understand. But if you make the
playoffs for the Warriors, the starting five's average age is
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going to be thirty seven years old.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Give me a break. That's not viable.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And again, Cleveland chemistry issues. Too many guys that need
the basketball, too many guys outside of Allen and Mobiley
that don't want to play defense. They got swept by
the Knicks and three of the games were embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
They quit.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
That's not the best place to go. Go into the Warriors.
We'll have a lot of nostalgia, but it'll be like
a boy's trip in your fifties to Vegas. The first
night you go, you stay out a little late, and
the rest of the vacations just recovery. And Cleveland's like
moving back in with your parents. It's cool for about
a night, but man, does that get old. Philadelphia is
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easily the best choice. But there's this whole thing. We
punish pro basketball players in ring chasing. We don't punish
stockbrokers that go to the better firm, or lawyers that
go to the better firm, or a surgeon that goes
to a better, more capitalized, more supportive hospital.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
We don't even We don't.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
We don't bang on high school or college kids who.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Join a big brand.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
We don't crush soccer players because they want to play
for Real Madrid or Manchester United. We don't criticize Otani
going to the Dodgers so we can have better players
hitting in front and behind him in the lineup.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
There's something about.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Pro basketball players, oh ring chasing.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
You want to join that circus? In Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You've already bailed on him twice. You want to go
to the old Warriors. I admit that would be fun.
I would love to watch Draymond and Staff and Lebron.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I'd love to watch it.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I'm a sucker for that. That that's like watching that
Shawshak redemption for the thirteenth time.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Rosen's eleven, like I watch it.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I'd watch it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Rich Paul on the notion and I've been you know,
the word is Lebron's making a decision in two days
here forty eight hours. I think one of the reasons
he's waiting. I really believe this is Lebron knows Philadelphia
is the best choice, but he doesn't have a real
visceral emotional connection there. But Lebron's smart, he knows the
best choice, and I don't think he loves, you know,
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the ring chasing stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Rich Paul discussed.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
That the team he chooses, I don't know yet. There's
a seriousness that comes with this. There's a competitiveness that comes.
We know how hard it is to win championships.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
No roster, no organization.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Is guaranteed to win a championship, but you do want
to be competitive if you do want to have an
opportunity come late April and early May to compete at
a high level and give yourself the best chance of winning.
He's not chasing the ring.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
You hear these things like, why do you have to
chase he got four? There's nothing to chase. He's not
chasing the ghosts or anything like that. But when you've
worked hard to position yourself the way you have and
you can actually decide what you want to.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Do, who wouldn't take advantage of that?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Exactly? Go take a job at Nvidia. Go from the
Angels to the Dodgers. Choose the Yankees, choose you know,
choose the easiest route.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Choose Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Choose you know, Michigan State basketball over a directional school.
Get the better coach, get the better facilities. I don't
get the ring chasing. I don't know why we punish
just pro basketball players. We don't punish anybody else in
the world for taking a better job with a better company,
with better management, better momentum. All right, So we're down
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to the final four teams in the World Cup. It's
big brands and big stars. You got Bape mal Messi.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And Kate.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And it's been really fun to watch. In my opinion,
the two most difficult sports clubs to join in the
world are a Gusta national.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
And elite World Cup level.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Soccer franchises, the Spains, the England's, the Brazil's and the Argentinas.
I mean, Gary Player, a three time Masters chant, was
denied playing recently his grand son. He wanted to play
with his grandkids at Augusta. They turned him down. Bill
Gates in the nineties was the richest man in the
world before we even talked about the richest man in
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the world. He couldn't get it in the nineties. He's
a member now. They'd probably like to get rid of him.
Money can buy you a lot of things in baseball.
The Dodgers money payroll plus the brilliant deferred payment plan
has put them a leg ahead of the sport. In
college sports Michigan basketball, Indiana football, you can buy championships,
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pay for the coach, pay for the players. In the NFL,
you can buy immediate success, if not a Super Bowl,
hire a horrorball.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
That usually helps, but you cannot do it.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
In international soccer, England makes a fortune. England endless, bottomless
pit of revenue for soccer one World Cup, one World Cup,
and I think that's tough for Americans to swallow. But
I was thinking about this yesterday. I wanted a big walk,
trying to get rid of the stomach crap, which I
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finally did, and I was thinking about how it's almost
like technology, Like in the seventies and eighties, Japan was
a mile ahead of us in personal computers, in semiconductors,
and I mean a mile ahead of us, felt like
we never catch up.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
And then now.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
China now is ahead of us in evs, I mean
I robotics, They're a mile ahead of us in robotics,
electronic vehicles, the five G network stuff which I don't
know much about, but they're ahead of us there. So
even even when you have money in international soccer, like
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Brazil or England, you can go decades of having a
World Cup drought, even though and the reason is because
soccer is so important, it is so important for revenue, viability, relevance,
and for the culture of countries. It's just like technology.
Technology is so important to everybody on the face of
the planet. Is that sometimes we lead, but not for
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very long. We have big gaps, we have droughts. We've
had them in personal computers and semiconductors and five G
and electronic vehicles. Nobody leads everything forever. When's the last
time we had back to back World Cup champions.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
It's been forever.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Brazil remember several years ago when they hosted the World
Cup they lost a home game seven to.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
One to Germany. Brazil the most titles ever.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So International Soccer and Augusta are the hardest clubs to
get into. And it does remind me a little bit
of technology, where you don't lead everything forever. You can
lead and suddenly a trail. But there's so much relevant,
so much money, so much of every country's future is
tied to it. AI is now the big race you
hope you win. Even if America wins the initial surge
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into AI, will we lead five years later?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Will we lead twenty years later?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
It's too important for countries not to pour all their
resources into it. This is not hockey or like a baseball,
This is global soccer. And we are just fine. It's
not that we lost, it's the way we lost. We're
gonna be okay. Here's John Strong last week.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
We were always gonna face this sort of bleak moment
of retrospection. And like we said, it's amplified by the
manner in which they lost to Belgium. If you compare
it to where we were eight years ago, if you
compare this team to what it was a year ago,
it's in a great spot. It's going forward. But yeah,
it's really really hard to crack into that top ten. Globally,
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few nations bust into the top ten. It's not like
college football where Indiana can buy their way into a
national title. I'm not being disrespet Indiana, just the dynamics
are different.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, Augusta International soccer money has a ceiling, and for Americans,
we don't like to hear that.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
All right, WNBA steps.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
In it again.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
NFL Executives, Scouts coaches survey on the top ten quarterbacks
in the league.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Very interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Victor Wembinyama, taking a cue from Tom Brady and Jalen Brunson,
gets the big picture of sports going forward. All that
coming up, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong forty five minutes from now.
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What a Weekend survey from ESPN.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
They went to NFL coaches, executives, general managers and scouts
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lot of predictable people. Josh Allen above Mahomes. We've been
on that for several years now. Burrow doesn't make the
playoffs anymore, he's at four. Dak Prescott has one playoff
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whenever six. Oh. I like to see Jared Goff and
Caleb Williams in there, But where Where's Sam Darnald? And
that's what's really interesting. Even the gms in this league
don't know what the hell to do with Sam Darnald.
Back to back fourteen win seasons, totally different players, offensive lineman, coordinators, coaches,
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back to back fourteen wins in a Super Bowl since
twenty twenty two, that's four years ago. He has the
highest win percentage of any quarterback in the league, more
than Mahomes Lamar Jackson. He's thirty two and nine, four coaches,
four coordinators, four teams, four rosters, four owners, thirty two
and nine, almost one hundred passer rating. All started once
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he was benched in Carolina, got the job back, went
four and two. Christian McCaffrey, one of the great players
in league history, was there in Carolina and talked about
when Donald first arrived the Panthers.
Speaker 8 (15:03):
When I first met him in Carolina, from the jump,
I was like, this guy's a dude. And the more
and more you see him at practice, that you see
the throws you make, you understand why he's a top
pick in the draft, and then you're around him more
and you're like, this is one of the best players
I've been around, period, and it's because of how talent, talent,
how talented his arm is. He's he's way more athletic
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than people give him credit for, and he's really good
at taking what's given to him and doing his job.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Christian McCaffrey's like, that's one of the best football players
I've been around.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Carolina has had some good ones.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
McCaffrey's been around some good ones in San Francisco, like
six Hall of Famers with the Niners. Yeah, Darnold's one
of the best football players I've been around. So when
he came out of college, I said, there's a little
a little Brett Farv and a little Andrew Luck. He
can be reckless, arm athleticism, toughness, leadership, guys A plus plus.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I loved him out of college.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I admitting Caroline, and then when he got benched, I
was like, I'm not sure what to do.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think i'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I see like a little Andrew Luck and a little
bit of Ret Farv, and people, oh that's ridiculous. Well,
how many Super Bowls does farv have?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Total? Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
One? How many is Andrew Luck have none? Sorry, this
is football, it's not baseball. We don't care about your
batting average. The bottom line is executives don't know what
to do. And I'll give you an example. I say
this all the time. It's not just what happens when
you enter a company, what happens to the one you leave.
The Minnesota Vikings when Sam Darnold left, same coat, same coordinators,
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same left tackle, same receivers, won five fewer games, missed
the playoffs. With Sam, they had their greatest year in
twenty six years. I mean that included, like Randy mosh
Ear's right, he leaves Minnesota their bottom bottom feel for
their division. They don't feel like they're nearly as good
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now as Detroit, Greenbear Chicago they would with Donald.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
He goes to Seattle.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
They hadn't won a playoff game in six years, they
hadn't made the playoffs, and back to back years they
win the Super Bowl and simultaneously let go of their
star receiver DK Metcalf did not better did not matter.
JSN became a one with Sam Darnold, right, like so
I'm watching Minnesota before he gets there. Man gets there, Wow,
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leaves there. Man, I'm watching Seattle. Man gets there, wins
the Super Bowl's what's the thread line? What's what do
we have in common here? So you know, people love
Joe Burrow, and they showed Joe Burrows amazing.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
He's number four in the list. Donald's not on it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
People love Burrow, and the reason they love Burrow the
most is he had a two year period where he
won twenty two games and got to a super Bowl.
Donald's in a two year period where he's won twenty
eight games and won a super Bowl and he's not
on the list. They don't know what to do, people,
they don't know what to do. Herberts never won a
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playoff game. Back has won. Burl can't stay healthy, can't
make the playoffs again. Images are powerful, those first images
are incredibly powerful. You see it what Jalen hurts. He
comes onto the scene, he gets to a Super Bowl.
All the data is telling you he struggles to throw
the ball over the middle of the field. Greg co
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Sale has been telling us for two years he can't
see it. But oh but years ago we had the
perfect team. He had a stack Ross. You have a
great running back. Ye, And that's the reality. The league's
executives do not know what to do with Sam Darnold.
Four teams, four years, thirty two and nine. That's more impressive, right.
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Let's the old Bill Parcells Parcells. Whatever team he went to,
he won, whatever the environment won, whatever you could put
Bill Parcels anywhere, rebuilding jobs.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
He won.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Didn't have to win super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
He won. I love this so much.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
Where is he?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Where is Donald?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Let me get my.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Bifocals, my binoculars. Where is They can't find him on
the list. One guy's four, one guy's not on the list.
I'm just saying, feels like it's closer to me. I
mean Burl's more expensive, Donald's healthier, I mean deep ball
arm I'd take Donald.
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Speaker 1 (19:32):
It is an absolute pleasure to have you in a
lot of choices out there.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
We got a great week. We got a great week.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Alexi Lawless in five minutes, Derek Jeter stopping by home
run derby Tonight All Star festivities in the All Star.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Game tomorrow, so much fun.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Well, we'll ask m Bodo of Switzerland and flopped, Jamax says,
just ignore it, let him play. Had it had been
a p point of emphasis for the referees of the
World Cup, the flopping thing, hurrying up play, they've been
speeding up you know, those kind of dead ball situations.
They've been doing a very good job of that. So
it's just an interesting I understand both sides, but like
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you know, they've been saying, no flopping. We're gonna be
tough on flopping. It just was not the great Is
it on the athlete to be smarter than that in
that moment. Now, we talk about it all the time
in the NBA during.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
The finals, they don't call anything. You get to a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
They don't want to call a big pass interference to
the fourth quarter. They just get out of the way.
Let the players win. There's certainly that argument. Alexi Lallas.
In five minutes, I'll have that Colin right, Colin wrong
on a Monday, and here we go where Colin was right.
I've said for years, March madness doesn't matter. People love favorites.
The World Cup, the top four rank fefit teams are
still alive, and the ratings are once again illustrating. America
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loves favorites and America loves brands and stars. Cape Verde
was a wonderful story, and even better story is France
and England and Spain and Argentina is still around underdogs
tug at our heart, maybe because most of us are
underdogs in life. But in the end, the big brands
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and the big stars are why this is smashing previous World.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Cup records where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Listen, I've been a huge supporter of Christian Polisic. I
think ours our most skilled player in the history of
the United States soccer. I have said I think he's
internationally special. But he's got one goal in two World Cups,
and in the nine World Cup games he could be
a part of four of them, he has missed entirely
or left early with an injury. Availability is part of greatness.
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You've got to be available. Messi is small, He's seemingly
never misses games, certainly at the World Cup, and I
think it also looked like against Belgium that Politic was timid.
Stars at the World Cup have to be the opposite of.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
That where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
NFL executives came out with a top ten quarterback ranking
based on executives, scouts, coaches, all this stuff. Mahomes was
number two to Josh Allen. This is what we've been
on for two years. Mahomes has the better infrastructure, the
better owner, had, the better coach, very good general manager.
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Allen's the better talent, his force, his mobility, his strength,
his durability.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Josh Allen is the.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Best football player and the best quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I thought we could beat and be highly competitive against Belgium,
and we were not. Our goalkeeping always a concern, plus
our back line was inferior. Two minutes into this contest.
Two minutes into this match, it was very clear we
could not maintain possession. We were cautious. It was humbling,
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and I got to take a gigantic l on that.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Been saying for years, Mike Tomlin's a good coach, but
he's part of the problem. And a study came out
last week done in Pittsburgh, seventy eight percent of Steeler
fans said Mike Tomlin and the lack of a quarterback plan.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Is the issue.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I gotta I gotta give Steeler fans credit for this
because we've been saying this for years and you can
never tell from the Internet or people that respond to
something you say, but it's always you're too tough on
the Steelers. Now when you asked real Steeler fans, anonymous study,
what's the problem. And I like Mike Tomlin, but even
pat Riley said years ago, you got about ten years
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for a team or a franchise, you become noise.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
People tune you out. Tomlin was part.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Of the issue where Colin was Wraw.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I love the number five five picking the NBA draft
Keaton Wagler of Illinois. Wagler is an interesting guard, kind
of a late bloomer. I thought he was the steal
of the first ten picks.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
He struggled.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Second game, he thought, shot thirty seven percent against Utah,
first game, minus twenty three against Sacramento. Worse for the team.
Now now it's summer league. I think he still needs
to fill out. You know, he was not a five
star AJ debonsa Darren Peterson recruit.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
He wasn't.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
He was like a three star guy that was completely overlooked.
So he just physically needs to get stronger and get
into an NBA weight room for two or three years.
But I thought he was one of the steals of
the draft at five and first couple of games not
pretty at all for the.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Clips where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Back to that NFL top ten quarterback list. You know
who's not on it, little Jalen Hurtz, an injury prone
brock Perty Jason are you watching?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
First? Of all, size matters at the position.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Russell Wilson convinced a lot of people it doesn't because
he was great for a decade. Is a small quarterback.
And the other thing is you got to be healthy.
Rock Perty's hurt too much. You gotta be available. And finally,
where Colin was right, Oh, we're at the All Star
breaking baseball. This is interesting. Oh, the Rays lead a division,
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the Brewers' small market, small payroll leading division. The small
payroll Chicago White Sox lead a division. The Mets stink
biggest payroll of the top ten payrolls. Only two teams
lead their division. Again, nobody is denying that the Dodgers
have pulled away from the sport. But that's not just payroll.
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That's the brilliance of their front office and ownership to
defer payments. And it should be noted even with that
All Star team in LA, they were pushed to a
Game seven against the Blue Jays and needed about six
miracles to happen to beat Dura.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
No money matters.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
There's probably a baseline of payroll that matters. Cleveland, though,
is succeeding Tampa's, succeeding Milwaukee's, succeeding White Sox payrolls tiny.
They're crushing this year. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
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Speaker 1 (26:24):
Do you know the only player to win an All
Star Game MVP and a World Series MVP in the
same season, it's our guest. Of the many remarkable numbers
of his career. Hall of Famer Derek Jeter, now with
Fox Sports, is joining us in The Herd. We're lucky
to get him. I got a couple questions for you.
First of all, I told you this last time I
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saw you. The craziest number of your career isn't all
the gold gloves and the World Series stuff. It's that
you hit four hundred and eighty one in the All
Star Game, which is like a Beer League number.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
It's insane.
Speaker 10 (27:01):
A lot of good fortune, a lot of But hold
on a minute before we get started. I just want
to remind you, well, first of all, you just said
smart people make mistakes. Last time I was on your show,
you asked me about facing Nolan Ryan, So let's just
hope you got your fact straight this time. But the
All Star Game, hey, let me.
Speaker 9 (27:22):
Tell you what.
Speaker 10 (27:23):
There's a lot of luck that's in there, but nothing
better than playing in the All Star Game. And obviously
I was fortunate to have some success, but you just
enjoy This is a celebration of the game, celebration of
the sport. It's a great atmosphere here with baseball's done
over these few days, moving the draft here, just a
celebration of the game.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
So I absolutely love being here. So I got to
ask you. Jacob Mizrowski's not playing. He's banged up for Milwaukee.
He threw one oh five point five. Now I know
you never stepped into the batter's box and we're overwhelmed
by a pitcher, but one oh five, I mean ninety
six is heat.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Five is cartoonish.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Take me back to your career, were there pitchers Derek
that you really even in the on deck circle you'd
faced them before, but it you do feel like, man,
I'm gonna get one good pitch here, I got to
get around on it.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Are I mean, I don't know who it would be.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
In their prime, but did you ever face somebody that
threw so hard that even you would get in that
box and know, man, I have got to be zoned
in on every pitch.
Speaker 10 (28:24):
Yeah, I think you know, when you start talking about
guys like Randy Johnson six foot eight, I mean he's
halfway to home plate when he releases the ball, So
I don't really know how hard Randy was throwing, but
you got to get the foot down, man, Roger Clemens,
Pedro Martinez. When you're facing the elite pitchers, you literally
have one pitch to do any have any kind of success.
So yeah, I mean one oh five it's it's hard
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to imagine, you know, I don't know how they're recording
the miles per hour nowadays, but yeah, I mean that's
that's that's something that you know, you don't have much
time obviously when you're facing anyone but one oh five.
You look for one pitch and hopefully you get it.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Okay, you're ninety eight Yankees won one hundred and fourteen games,
and then you flew through the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
You were eleven and two.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
See, I know my home, I got my homework here.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I got all these numbers in my head.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
Now put yourself on the back till we finished.
Speaker 9 (29:15):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
So that's the you know, in terms of you know numbers,
that's the best team ever. This Dodger team is stacked.
They just got swept by the d Backs. So when
you're on a great team, you're gonna overwhelm a lot
of people. That's starting pitching on the Yankees. When you
were on a team like the Dodgers or your Yankees.
Dodgers just back to back World Series apathy, it's a
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long season. You're going to here, here's another road trip
to Minnesota, here's another row. Go back to that season
with you. Was there ever a moment when you went
into a series thinking, I got to get myself up.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
We just swept those guys the last time when we
play them.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Can there be apathy that settles in during the long
regular season?
Speaker 10 (29:58):
I tell you what you're talking about. Nineteen nine, specifically,
that group there we had just lost in nineteen ninety seven,
so we were hungry to get back to the World Series.
So in that particular season, we didn't really have to
sit down and rally the troops. I mean, we were
out to win every single day. I have never been
a part of a group that had that mindset going
into every single day. And you know, we struggled a
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little bit. I mean half jokingly, but we struggled towards
the end of the year. I mean we could have
literally won about one hundred and thirty hundred and thirty
five games that year, that's how dominant we were. But
when you're talking about the Dodgers and a team that's
going for their third straight World Series. Look, the regular
season is it's a marathon, and there are times throughout
the course of the year you got to try to
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block out just getting to the postseason, because you know,
everyone knows that's when the season starts. You look at
the Dodgers now, they have such a big lead, so
it is hard. It gets more difficult getting up for
every game and every series. But they've done it as
good as anyone.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
You know, I've defended baseball. I keep saying the Rays
lead the American League, Eese, they're a small market. The
White Sox small payroll have been great this year. Milwaukee
for several years, smaller payroll been very viable.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
The Mets stink.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
So my take is money matters, But it's just like
in our life. Money matters, but what do you do
with it? You spend it, do you invest? Your smile
and they're the Mets do kind of stink. I know
you're a broadcaster now, but it's not great, Jeric. But
the point is, I think we talk too much about
money in baseball. The Dodgers really honestly needed two or
three miracles to win Game seven. I mean, Toronto out
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played them and out hit them in the series. I
think we talk too much about payroll disparity.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Does it matter? Are is it overstated?
Speaker 10 (31:43):
Well, you know, look, I don't think it's overstated. I
do believe if you are spending money and you've a
high payroll, for the most part, it is sure is
that you're going to be competitive and you're going to
be in.
Speaker 9 (31:56):
A playoff race.
Speaker 10 (31:57):
Yeah, there's instances where you have guys our team that
spend a lot of money that just have one of
those years. But I think it assures that you're going
to be in the Pennant race. What it does not
assure you is that you're going to win a championship.
It is hard to win a championship. You have to
go through several rounds of the playoffs. And when you
get that. I used to say it during my career,
the hottest team, I mean, the best teams make it
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to the postseason. The hottest team wins. You have to
get hot at the right time. And yes, you need
a lot of breaks too, I mean, but there's a
reason why the Dodgers, year in and year out, have
that chance to win a championship, and it is because
their owner spends money.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I always thought part.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Of the greatness of Joe Tory is that he was
a players manager. But I always compared him to the
step dad, your dad you never wanted to disappoint.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Is that so much of his greatness.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Was the ability to connect star players and the pressure
you go through in New York. So the culture that
Tory created was as important as the great players like
yourself and I want to talk about the Mets. It's
not a talent. I mean, Lindor has been hurt. I know,
I'll beat up on them. I'm taking shots I shouldn't.
But it does feel like there's a cultural thing missing.
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It's not money, it's they want to win. They've had
smart people there. There's something in the in the soup,
in the juice or something. What is it that they
have this kind of talent and they struggle.
Speaker 10 (33:19):
You know, I'm not exactly sure about that. I mean,
the Mets were just in the NLCS a couple of
years ago, so it's not like they've fallen off a cliff.
For the last twenty years. They've been very, very competitive.
This particular year, I mean, it's mind boggling. I mean,
they've they've gone out, they've spent money. It just seems
like a lot of times, when one person struggles, everyone struggles.
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When one person gets hot, everyone gets hot. And it
seems like, you know, you know, the Mets, they've they've
changed a little bit of their culture there. You know,
you got rid of Alonso and Nimo, and you know,
they brought some new guys in. Sometimes it takes a
little time for guys to adjust. But I don't know
enough about the inner workings of the New York Mets
to comment on it. But It is a bit surprise
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because I know there is a lot of high optimism
going into spring training. People thought the Mets were going
to be in it to to, you know, challenge the
Dodgers and get to the World Series.
Speaker 9 (34:08):
But it just hasn't gone that direction.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
So when an Aaron Judge gets banged up, Ben Rice
steps up and puts up huge numbers. The Dartmouth kid,
it's you know, I remember watching Ben Rice. Are we
surprised or was this understood in the Yankees ecosystem that
Ben Rice was going to end up being this?
Speaker 9 (34:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (34:31):
You never want to put ceilings on guys when they're
playing and when they're coming up. But I think, you know,
the adjustments that he's been able to make this year
and the production that he's had offensively, I think it's
probably caught a few people off guard. But he's he's
in the conversation for the most valuable player in the
American League up until this point, and what he's been
able to do even when Aaron's been out has been
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pretty impressive. I mean, yeah, he went through a little
time where he struggled, but that happens to every player
over one hundred and sixty two games. But he's fun
to watch. He continues to get better and better. And
you know the thing I like to watch is he's
having fun and he's got a smile on his face.
He's enjoying himself. Hit another triple I think it was yesterday.
But he's a big reason why the Yankees. Yeah, I
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know they were scuffling a little bit, but he's a
big reason why I still believe the Yankees are the
favorite in the American League.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Okay, this ABS system, I have said for years now,
Rob Manfred can take some crap on this stuff, Derek,
but he has made four or five adjustments.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
They've all worked. They're all great.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I thought the ABS would get a little bit of
pushback and it would be what it's done.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
It's unveiled the truth.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
And you know, it also shows me how well the
batters know the plate. It's remarkable how often they do
this and within an echine they're right. If you would
have had this, would you have used it a lot?
Or did you always feel like, yeah, thems are pretty good.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
They know what they're doing.
Speaker 9 (35:57):
It's interesting.
Speaker 10 (35:57):
I you know, when I would playing, I felt as
though I knew the outside corner, as well as anyone.
The inside corner would confuse me a little bit because
sometimes I'd lean out there. But I think you know,
there's times throughout the season when you're seeing the ball well,
extremely well and you know what a strike is, and
there's other times when you're scuffling a little bit you
have no idea. So we've seen guys challenge pitches and
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pitches have been right down the middle. You've also seen
guys that have been successful, like by an eighth of
an inch. So I love it. I think the fans
love it. I think it makes you know, it's sort
of bringing that type of tennis atmosphere into the game.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
Where they showed on the scoreboard.
Speaker 10 (36:36):
So, like you said, there's been some changes in the
game that I think the fans really appreciate. And look,
it's going to bring more fans to the sport, then
I'm all for it.
Speaker 9 (36:45):
But ABS has been a huge success.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I went to a Cubs game not long ago, and
I got to tell you, the fans are into it.
It's like an added ell. It's a little bit of
a game show within the game.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
And just think it's.
Speaker 10 (36:55):
Great and it also shows you who knows the strike zone.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
It absolutely does. Yeah's pretty good today. I gotta admit it, Derek,
I maybe not work at four to seventy in the
All Star Game.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
That was pretty strong. I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I appreciate what.
Speaker 9 (37:07):
Four eighty is. What you said? Did you say four
eighty we started this?
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Oh for eighty one?
Speaker 9 (37:13):
Yeah, he screwed it up.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
There you go.
Speaker 9 (37:15):
You spoke too soon. There you go. Great team, Colin gret.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
You know the outside part of the plate and your
All Star number.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Excellent work.
Speaker 9 (37:23):
Could see anybody you too, See you soon, all right.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
The great Derek Jeter stopped by the show today. Ridiculous four.
He was thirteen for twenty seven. And that's facing, by
the way, aces that you don't face normally.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
You're getting.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
You're getting Randy Johnson stuff. You watch Randy Johnson highlights
the never faced these guys. That's an insane number. I
have like a list of his career stats. I mean
he's like six most hits all time. I mean they're
all great. Four eighty one All Star Game average and
a lot of times the All Star Game. If I
recall a lot of times you playing stadiums, you know
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it's Derek Jeters, one of the first guys up, leadoff guy.
You're getting shadows that first at bat in the All
Star Game. Early, you may have shadows in the stadium.
You're not seeing it. Bringing my a game today, all right, unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I get a buddy given me crab about Jeter. He's
got a good memory for certain things.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I don't all. I don't love all the memories, but
it is very good memory. In Chicago at the
Speaker 2 (38:30):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Man, there's a lot to talk about. Alexi Lawless, Derek Jeter,
stop on by.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
We are live in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
That stupid stomach virus I had out of here, just
brushed it aside. Steaking to Martini later feel like a
million bucks. So let me tell you the thing where
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fans can be hypocrits.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
And it's the dumbest argument in the world.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
If you good job at Nvidia, would your buddies, your wife,
your friends say what a ring chaser?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
That's the easy way out.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
In every profession in America. Otani goes to the Dodgers.
He selects the Dodgers. He's not called a ring chaser.
If you're a high school football five star recruit, you
decide I want to go to Ohio State instead of Purdue.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
We celebrate it.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
At il kid goes I want to go play for
Michigan and Dusty May we celebrate it. But in professional basketball,
it's the only part of America if you join a
better option.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Puh what a ring chaser.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Lebron James reportedly is going to make a decision in
forty eight hours where he's going. He should go to Philadelphia.
He should go to Philadelphia. That's the best team, by far,
best chance to win a championship. Who cares what bots
say on the internet, chase Philadelphia. The problem is he
didn't have great connection to the city of Philadelphia, doesn't
know a lot of guys in the roster. But it's
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by far and away the best situation. I'd go in
one second, Dude, it's Navidia. Go ahead and work at
Bob's local computer store in Cleveland. The Cavaliers aren't the
best fit. It's the Lakers with better rim protection. Harden
and Donovan Mitchell don't play defense and need the ball.
That's Austin Reeves and Luca and by the way Lebron's
last several years in Los Angeles for the record, when
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he chose the Lakers, it was the opposite of ring chasing.
The four previous years, the Lakers, who had one of
the poorest ownership groups in the NBA, had the worst
record in the NBA and the worst point differential. He
went the opposite. How'd it work out in the end?
Frustrated nobody could stay healthy, Luca couldn't stay healthy, eight
he couldn't stay healthy. Austin Reeves and the playoffs couldn't
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stay healthy. Average bench. So what did it get him?
A COVID ring in Miami? He got to four straight finals.
Oh ring chasing? Yea, he wanted to play and work
with good coworkers. I don't even get ring chasing. What
does that mean every other person on the plant? When
I had opportunities to leave. In my entire career, I've
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never once said I want to go. I want to
go work with lesser management. You know what I like
is bad teammates that need the ball and don't play defense.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That's what I'd like to do.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
The whole fear about Philadelphia from the Rich Paul group
is and they're already sending messages.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
It would be viewed as ring chasing.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
No, it would be viewed as meeting contemporaries that have
put the commitment in you have. By the way, the
Lakers in Cleveland, it's the same team with rim protection
the last several years in La Austin Reeves and Luca
and Anthony Davis. They can't stay healthy if you go
play for Philadelphia. Tyrese Maxey has led the NBA in
minutes played the last two years. Durable, reliable, ascending, committed,
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impeccable shape. Jalen Brown's in great shape. Edge Comb's a
dog man. He is fantastic. Yeah, embiid em Bead's not
necessarily healthy. Some of that's his body breaking down. But
the idea of your goal to go to Golden State,
Golden State's nostalgia, I understand. But if you make the
playoffs for the Warriors, the starting five's average age is
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going to be thirty seven years old.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Give me a break. That's not viable.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And again, Cleveland chemistry issues. Too many guys that need
the basketball, too many guys outside of Allen and Mobiley
that don't want to play defense. They got swept by
the Knicks and three of the games were embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
They quit.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
That's not the best place to go. Go into the Warriors.
We'll have a lot of nostalgia, but it'll be like
a boy's trip in your fifties to Vegas. The first
night you go, you stay out a little late, and
the rest of the vacations just recovery. And Cleveland's like
moving back in with your parents. It's cool for about
a night, but man, does that get old. Philadelphia is
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easily the best choice. But there's this whole thing. We
punish pro basketball players in ring chasing. We don't punish
stockbrokers that go to the better firm, or lawyers that
go to the better firm, or a surgeon that goes
to a better, more capitalized, more supportive hospital.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
We don't even We don't.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
We don't bang on high school or college kids who.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Join a big brand.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
We don't crush soccer players because they want to play
for Real Madrid or Manchester United. We don't criticize Otani
going to the Dodgers so we can have better players
hitting in front and behind him in the lineup.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
There's something about.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Pro basketball players, oh ring chasing.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
You want to join that circus? In Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You've already bailed on him twice. You want to go
to the old Warriors. I admit that would be fun.
I would love to watch Draymond and Staff and Lebron.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I'd love to watch it.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I'm a sucker for that. That that's like watching that
Shawshak redemption for the thirteenth time.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Rosen's eleven, like I watch it.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I'd watch it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Rich Paul on the notion and I've been you know,
the word is Lebron's making a decision in two days
here forty eight hours. I think one of the reasons
he's waiting. I really believe this is Lebron knows Philadelphia
is the best choice, but he doesn't have a real
visceral emotional connection there. But Lebron's smart, he knows the
best choice, and I don't think he loves, you know,
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the ring chasing stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Rich Paul discussed.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
That the team he chooses, I don't know yet. There's
a seriousness that comes with this. There's a competitiveness that comes.
We know how hard it is to win championships.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
No roster, no organization.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Is guaranteed to win a championship, but you do want
to be competitive if you do want to have an
opportunity come late April and early May to compete at
a high level and give yourself the best chance of winning.
He's not chasing the ring.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
You hear these things like, why do you have to
chase he got four? There's nothing to chase. He's not
chasing the ghosts or anything like that. But when you've
worked hard to position yourself the way you have and
you can actually decide what you want to.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Do, who wouldn't take advantage of that?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Exactly? Go take a job at Nvidia. Go from the
Angels to the Dodgers. Choose the Yankees, choose you know,
choose the easiest route.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Choose Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Choose you know, Michigan State basketball over a directional school.
Get the better coach, get the better facilities. I don't
get the ring chasing. I don't know why we punish
just pro basketball players. We don't punish anybody else in
the world for taking a better job with a better company,
with better management, better momentum. All right, So we're down
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to the final four teams in the World Cup. It's
big brands and big stars. You got Bape mal Messi.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And Kate.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And it's been really fun to watch. In my opinion,
the two most difficult sports clubs to join in the
world are a Gusta national.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
And elite World Cup level.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Soccer franchises, the Spains, the England's, the Brazil's and the Argentinas.
I mean, Gary Player, a three time Masters chant, was
denied playing recently his grand son. He wanted to play
with his grandkids at Augusta. They turned him down. Bill
Gates in the nineties was the richest man in the
world before we even talked about the richest man in
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the world. He couldn't get it in the nineties. He's
a member now. They'd probably like to get rid of him.
Money can buy you a lot of things in baseball.
The Dodgers money payroll plus the brilliant deferred payment plan
has put them a leg ahead of the sport. In
college sports Michigan basketball, Indiana football, you can buy championships,
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pay for the coach, pay for the players. In the NFL,
you can buy immediate success, if not a Super Bowl,
hire a horrorball.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
That usually helps, but you cannot do it.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
In international soccer, England makes a fortune. England endless, bottomless
pit of revenue for soccer one World Cup, one World Cup,
and I think that's tough for Americans to swallow. But
I was thinking about this yesterday. I wanted a big walk,
trying to get rid of the stomach crap, which I
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finally did, and I was thinking about how it's almost
like technology, Like in the seventies and eighties, Japan was
a mile ahead of us in personal computers, in semiconductors,
and I mean a mile ahead of us, felt like
we never catch up.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
And then now.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
China now is ahead of us in evs, I mean
I robotics, They're a mile ahead of us in robotics,
electronic vehicles, the five G network stuff which I don't
know much about, but they're ahead of us there. So
even even when you have money in international soccer, like
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Brazil or England, you can go decades of having a
World Cup drought, even though and the reason is because
soccer is so important, it is so important for revenue, viability, relevance,
and for the culture of countries. It's just like technology.
Technology is so important to everybody on the face of
the planet. Is that sometimes we lead, but not for
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very long. We have big gaps, we have droughts. We've
had them in personal computers and semiconductors and five G
and electronic vehicles. Nobody leads everything forever. When's the last
time we had back to back World Cup champions.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
It's been forever.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Brazil remember several years ago when they hosted the World
Cup they lost a home game seven to.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
One to Germany. Brazil the most titles ever.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So International Soccer and Augusta are the hardest clubs to
get into. And it does remind me a little bit
of technology, where you don't lead everything forever. You can
lead and suddenly a trail. But there's so much relevant,
so much money, so much of every country's future is
tied to it. AI is now the big race you
hope you win. Even if America wins the initial surge
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into AI, will we lead five years later?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Will we lead twenty years later?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
It's too important for countries not to pour all their
resources into it. This is not hockey or like a baseball,
This is global soccer. And we are just fine. It's
not that we lost, it's the way we lost. We're
gonna be okay. Here's John Strong last week.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
We were always gonna face this sort of bleak moment
of retrospection. And like we said, it's amplified by the
manner in which they lost to Belgium. If you compare
it to where we were eight years ago, if you
compare this team to what it was a year ago,
it's in a great spot. It's going forward. But yeah,
it's really really hard to crack into that top ten. Globally,
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few nations bust into the top ten. It's not like
college football where Indiana can buy their way into a
national title. I'm not being disrespet Indiana, just the dynamics
are different.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, Augusta International soccer money has a ceiling, and for Americans,
we don't like to hear that.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
All right, WNBA steps.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
In it again.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
NFL Executives, Scouts coaches survey on the top ten quarterbacks
in the league.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Very interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Victor Wembinyama, taking a cue from Tom Brady and Jalen Brunson,
gets the big picture of sports going forward. All that
coming up, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong forty five minutes from now.
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Speaker 4 (13:30):
What a Weekend survey from ESPN.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
They went to NFL coaches, executives, general managers and scouts
and they asked them, who are the ten best quarterbacks
in the league? And so, you know it to a
lot of predictable people. Josh Allen above Mahomes. We've been
on that for several years now. Burrow doesn't make the
playoffs anymore, he's at four. Dak Prescott has one playoff
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whenever six. Oh. I like to see Jared Goff and
Caleb Williams in there, But where Where's Sam Darnald? And
that's what's really interesting. Even the gms in this league
don't know what the hell to do with Sam Darnald.
Back to back fourteen win seasons, totally different players, offensive lineman, coordinators, coaches,
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back to back fourteen wins in a Super Bowl since
twenty twenty two, that's four years ago. He has the
highest win percentage of any quarterback in the league, more
than Mahomes Lamar Jackson. He's thirty two and nine, four coaches,
four coordinators, four teams, four rosters, four owners, thirty two
and nine, almost one hundred passer rating. All started once
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he was benched in Carolina, got the job back, went
four and two. Christian McCaffrey, one of the great players
in league history, was there in Carolina and talked about
when Donald first arrived the Panthers.
Speaker 8 (15:03):
When I first met him in Carolina, from the jump,
I was like, this guy's a dude. And the more
and more you see him at practice, that you see
the throws you make, you understand why he's a top
pick in the draft, and then you're around him more
and you're like, this is one of the best players
I've been around, period, and it's because of how talent, talent,
how talented his arm is. He's he's way more athletic
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than people give him credit for, and he's really good
at taking what's given to him and doing his job.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Christian McCaffrey's like, that's one of the best football players
I've been around.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Carolina has had some good ones.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
McCaffrey's been around some good ones in San Francisco, like
six Hall of Famers with the Niners. Yeah, Darnold's one
of the best football players I've been around. So when
he came out of college, I said, there's a little
a little Brett Farv and a little Andrew Luck. He
can be reckless, arm athleticism, toughness, leadership, guys A plus plus.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I loved him out of college.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I admitting Caroline, and then when he got benched, I
was like, I'm not sure what to do.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think i'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I see like a little Andrew Luck and a little
bit of Ret Farv, and people, oh that's ridiculous. Well,
how many Super Bowls does farv have?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Total? Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
One? How many is Andrew Luck have none? Sorry, this
is football, it's not baseball. We don't care about your
batting average. The bottom line is executives don't know what
to do. And I'll give you an example. I say
this all the time. It's not just what happens when
you enter a company, what happens to the one you leave.
The Minnesota Vikings when Sam Darnold left, same coat, same coordinators,
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same left tackle, same receivers, won five fewer games, missed
the playoffs. With Sam, they had their greatest year in
twenty six years. I mean that included, like Randy mosh
Ear's right, he leaves Minnesota their bottom bottom feel for
their division. They don't feel like they're nearly as good
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now as Detroit, Greenbear Chicago they would with Donald.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
He goes to Seattle.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
They hadn't won a playoff game in six years, they
hadn't made the playoffs, and back to back years they
win the Super Bowl and simultaneously let go of their
star receiver DK Metcalf did not better did not matter.
JSN became a one with Sam Darnold, right, like so
I'm watching Minnesota before he gets there. Man gets there, Wow,
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leaves there. Man, I'm watching Seattle. Man gets there, wins
the Super Bowl's what's the thread line? What's what do
we have in common here? So you know, people love
Joe Burrow, and they showed Joe Burrows amazing.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
He's number four in the list. Donald's not on it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
People love Burrow, and the reason they love Burrow the
most is he had a two year period where he
won twenty two games and got to a super Bowl.
Donald's in a two year period where he's won twenty
eight games and won a super Bowl and he's not
on the list. They don't know what to do, people,
they don't know what to do. Herberts never won a
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playoff game. Back has won. Burl can't stay healthy, can't
make the playoffs again. Images are powerful, those first images
are incredibly powerful. You see it what Jalen hurts. He
comes onto the scene, he gets to a Super Bowl.
All the data is telling you he struggles to throw
the ball over the middle of the field. Greg co
(18:25):
Sale has been telling us for two years he can't
see it. But oh but years ago we had the
perfect team. He had a stack Ross. You have a
great running back. Ye, And that's the reality. The league's
executives do not know what to do with Sam Darnold.
Four teams, four years, thirty two and nine. That's more impressive, right.
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Let's the old Bill Parcells Parcells. Whatever team he went to,
he won, whatever the environment won, whatever you could put
Bill Parcels anywhere, rebuilding jobs.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
He won.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Didn't have to win super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
He won. I love this so much.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
Where is he?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Where is Donald?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Let me get my.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Bifocals, my binoculars. Where is They can't find him on
the list. One guy's four, one guy's not on the list.
I'm just saying, feels like it's closer to me. I
mean Burl's more expensive, Donald's healthier, I mean deep ball
arm I'd take Donald.
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Speaker 4 (19:30):
Here we go. It's our two and a Monday.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It is an absolute pleasure to have you in a
lot of choices out there.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
We got a great week. We got a great week.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Alexi Lawless in five minutes, Derek Jeter stopping by home
run derby Tonight All Star festivities in the All Star.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Game tomorrow, so much fun.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Well, we'll ask m Bodo of Switzerland and flopped, Jamax says,
just ignore it, let him play. Had it had been
a p point of emphasis for the referees of the
World Cup, the flopping thing, hurrying up play, they've been
speeding up you know, those kind of dead ball situations.
They've been doing a very good job of that. So
it's just an interesting I understand both sides, but like
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you know, they've been saying, no flopping. We're gonna be
tough on flopping. It just was not the great Is
it on the athlete to be smarter than that in
that moment. Now, we talk about it all the time
in the NBA during.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
The finals, they don't call anything. You get to a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
They don't want to call a big pass interference to
the fourth quarter. They just get out of the way.
Let the players win. There's certainly that argument. Alexi Lallas.
In five minutes, I'll have that Colin right, Colin wrong
on a Monday, and here we go where Colin was right.
I've said for years, March madness doesn't matter. People love favorites.
The World Cup, the top four rank fefit teams are
still alive, and the ratings are once again illustrating. America
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loves favorites and America loves brands and stars. Cape Verde
was a wonderful story, and even better story is France
and England and Spain and Argentina is still around underdogs
tug at our heart, maybe because most of us are
underdogs in life. But in the end, the big brands
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and the big stars are why this is smashing previous World.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Cup records where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Listen, I've been a huge supporter of Christian Polisic. I
think ours our most skilled player in the history of
the United States soccer. I have said I think he's
internationally special. But he's got one goal in two World Cups,
and in the nine World Cup games he could be
a part of four of them, he has missed entirely
or left early with an injury. Availability is part of greatness.
(21:43):
You've got to be available. Messi is small, He's seemingly
never misses games, certainly at the World Cup, and I
think it also looked like against Belgium that Politic was timid.
Stars at the World Cup have to be the opposite of.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
That where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
NFL executives came out with a top ten quarterback ranking
based on executives, scouts, coaches, all this stuff. Mahomes was
number two to Josh Allen. This is what we've been
on for two years. Mahomes has the better infrastructure, the
better owner, had, the better coach, very good general manager.
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Allen's the better talent, his force, his mobility, his strength,
his durability.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Josh Allen is the.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Best football player and the best quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I thought we could beat and be highly competitive against Belgium,
and we were not. Our goalkeeping always a concern, plus
our back line was inferior. Two minutes into this contest.
Two minutes into this match, it was very clear we
could not maintain possession. We were cautious. It was humbling,
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and I got to take a gigantic l on that.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Been saying for years, Mike Tomlin's a good coach, but
he's part of the problem. And a study came out
last week done in Pittsburgh, seventy eight percent of Steeler
fans said Mike Tomlin and the lack of a quarterback plan.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Is the issue.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I gotta I gotta give Steeler fans credit for this
because we've been saying this for years and you can
never tell from the Internet or people that respond to
something you say, but it's always you're too tough on
the Steelers. Now when you asked real Steeler fans, anonymous study,
what's the problem. And I like Mike Tomlin, but even
pat Riley said years ago, you got about ten years
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for a team or a franchise, you become noise.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
People tune you out. Tomlin was part.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Of the issue where Colin was Wraw.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I love the number five five picking the NBA draft
Keaton Wagler of Illinois. Wagler is an interesting guard, kind
of a late bloomer. I thought he was the steal
of the first ten picks.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
He struggled.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Second game, he thought, shot thirty seven percent against Utah,
first game, minus twenty three against Sacramento. Worse for the team.
Now now it's summer league. I think he still needs
to fill out. You know, he was not a five
star AJ debonsa Darren Peterson recruit.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
He wasn't.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
He was like a three star guy that was completely overlooked.
So he just physically needs to get stronger and get
into an NBA weight room for two or three years.
But I thought he was one of the steals of
the draft at five and first couple of games not
pretty at all for the.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Clips where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Back to that NFL top ten quarterback list. You know
who's not on it, little Jalen Hurtz, an injury prone
brock Perty Jason are you watching?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
First? Of all, size matters at the position.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Russell Wilson convinced a lot of people it doesn't because
he was great for a decade. Is a small quarterback.
And the other thing is you got to be healthy.
Rock Perty's hurt too much. You gotta be available. And finally,
where Colin was right, Oh, we're at the All Star
breaking baseball. This is interesting. Oh, the Rays lead a division,
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the Brewers' small market, small payroll leading division. The small
payroll Chicago White Sox lead a division. The Mets stink
biggest payroll of the top ten payrolls. Only two teams
lead their division. Again, nobody is denying that the Dodgers
have pulled away from the sport. But that's not just payroll.
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That's the brilliance of their front office and ownership to
defer payments. And it should be noted even with that
All Star team in LA, they were pushed to a
Game seven against the Blue Jays and needed about six
miracles to happen to beat Dura.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
No money matters.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
There's probably a baseline of payroll that matters. Cleveland, though,
is succeeding Tampa's, succeeding Milwaukee's, succeeding White Sox payrolls tiny.
They're crushing this year. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong.
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Speaker 1 (26:24):
Do you know the only player to win an All
Star Game MVP and a World Series MVP in the
same season, it's our guest. Of the many remarkable numbers
of his career. Hall of Famer Derek Jeter, now with
Fox Sports, is joining us in The Herd. We're lucky
to get him. I got a couple questions for you.
First of all, I told you this last time I
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saw you. The craziest number of your career isn't all
the gold gloves and the World Series stuff. It's that
you hit four hundred and eighty one in the All
Star Game, which is like a Beer League number.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
It's insane.
Speaker 10 (27:01):
A lot of good fortune, a lot of But hold
on a minute before we get started. I just want
to remind you, well, first of all, you just said
smart people make mistakes. Last time I was on your show,
you asked me about facing Nolan Ryan, So let's just
hope you got your fact straight this time. But the
All Star Game, hey, let me.
Speaker 9 (27:22):
Tell you what.
Speaker 10 (27:23):
There's a lot of luck that's in there, but nothing
better than playing in the All Star Game. And obviously
I was fortunate to have some success, but you just
enjoy This is a celebration of the game, celebration of
the sport. It's a great atmosphere here with baseball's done
over these few days, moving the draft here, just a
celebration of the game.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
So I absolutely love being here. So I got to
ask you. Jacob Mizrowski's not playing. He's banged up for Milwaukee.
He threw one oh five point five. Now I know
you never stepped into the batter's box and we're overwhelmed
by a pitcher, but one oh five, I mean ninety
six is heat.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Five is cartoonish.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Take me back to your career, were there pitchers Derek
that you really even in the on deck circle you'd
faced them before, but it you do feel like, man,
I'm gonna get one good pitch here, I got to
get around on it.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Are I mean, I don't know who it would be.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
In their prime, but did you ever face somebody that
threw so hard that even you would get in that
box and know, man, I have got to be zoned
in on every pitch.
Speaker 10 (28:24):
Yeah, I think you know, when you start talking about
guys like Randy Johnson six foot eight, I mean he's
halfway to home plate when he releases the ball, So
I don't really know how hard Randy was throwing, but
you got to get the foot down, man, Roger Clemens,
Pedro Martinez. When you're facing the elite pitchers, you literally
have one pitch to do any have any kind of success.
So yeah, I mean one oh five it's it's hard
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to imagine, you know, I don't know how they're recording
the miles per hour nowadays, but yeah, I mean that's
that's that's something that you know, you don't have much
time obviously when you're facing anyone but one oh five.
You look for one pitch and hopefully you get it.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Okay, you're ninety eight Yankees won one hundred and fourteen games,
and then you flew through the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
You were eleven and two.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
See, I know my home, I got my homework here.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I got all these numbers in my head.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
Now put yourself on the back till we finished.
Speaker 9 (29:15):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
So that's the you know, in terms of you know numbers,
that's the best team ever. This Dodger team is stacked.
They just got swept by the d Backs. So when
you're on a great team, you're gonna overwhelm a lot
of people. That's starting pitching on the Yankees. When you
were on a team like the Dodgers or your Yankees.
Dodgers just back to back World Series apathy, it's a
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long season. You're going to here, here's another road trip
to Minnesota, here's another row. Go back to that season
with you. Was there ever a moment when you went
into a series thinking, I got to get myself up.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
We just swept those guys the last time when we
play them.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Can there be apathy that settles in during the long
regular season?
Speaker 10 (29:58):
I tell you what you're talking about. Nineteen nine, specifically,
that group there we had just lost in nineteen ninety seven,
so we were hungry to get back to the World Series.
So in that particular season, we didn't really have to
sit down and rally the troops. I mean, we were
out to win every single day. I have never been
a part of a group that had that mindset going
into every single day. And you know, we struggled a
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little bit. I mean half jokingly, but we struggled towards
the end of the year. I mean we could have
literally won about one hundred and thirty hundred and thirty
five games that year, that's how dominant we were. But
when you're talking about the Dodgers and a team that's
going for their third straight World Series. Look, the regular
season is it's a marathon, and there are times throughout
the course of the year you got to try to
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block out just getting to the postseason, because you know,
everyone knows that's when the season starts. You look at
the Dodgers now, they have such a big lead, so
it is hard. It gets more difficult getting up for
every game and every series. But they've done it as
good as anyone.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
You know, I've defended baseball. I keep saying the Rays
lead the American League, Eese, they're a small market. The
White Sox small payroll have been great this year. Milwaukee
for several years, smaller payroll been very viable.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
The Mets stink.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
So my take is money matters, But it's just like
in our life. Money matters, but what do you do
with it? You spend it, do you invest? Your smile
and they're the Mets do kind of stink. I know
you're a broadcaster now, but it's not great, Jeric. But
the point is, I think we talk too much about
money in baseball. The Dodgers really honestly needed two or
three miracles to win Game seven. I mean, Toronto out
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played them and out hit them in the series. I
think we talk too much about payroll disparity.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Does it matter? Are is it overstated?
Speaker 10 (31:43):
Well, you know, look, I don't think it's overstated. I
do believe if you are spending money and you've a
high payroll, for the most part, it is sure is
that you're going to be competitive and you're going to
be in.
Speaker 9 (31:56):
A playoff race.
Speaker 10 (31:57):
Yeah, there's instances where you have guys our team that
spend a lot of money that just have one of
those years. But I think it assures that you're going
to be in the Pennant race. What it does not
assure you is that you're going to win a championship.
It is hard to win a championship. You have to
go through several rounds of the playoffs. And when you
get that. I used to say it during my career,
the hottest team, I mean, the best teams make it
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to the postseason. The hottest team wins. You have to
get hot at the right time. And yes, you need
a lot of breaks too, I mean, but there's a
reason why the Dodgers, year in and year out, have
that chance to win a championship, and it is because
their owner spends money.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I always thought part.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Of the greatness of Joe Tory is that he was
a players manager. But I always compared him to the
step dad, your dad you never wanted to disappoint.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Is that so much of his greatness.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Was the ability to connect star players and the pressure
you go through in New York. So the culture that
Tory created was as important as the great players like
yourself and I want to talk about the Mets. It's
not a talent. I mean, Lindor has been hurt. I know,
I'll beat up on them. I'm taking shots I shouldn't.
But it does feel like there's a cultural thing missing.
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It's not money, it's they want to win. They've had
smart people there. There's something in the in the soup,
in the juice or something. What is it that they
have this kind of talent and they struggle.
Speaker 10 (33:19):
You know, I'm not exactly sure about that. I mean,
the Mets were just in the NLCS a couple of
years ago, so it's not like they've fallen off a cliff.
For the last twenty years. They've been very, very competitive.
This particular year, I mean, it's mind boggling. I mean,
they've they've gone out, they've spent money. It just seems
like a lot of times, when one person struggles, everyone struggles.
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When one person gets hot, everyone gets hot. And it
seems like, you know, you know, the Mets, they've they've
changed a little bit of their culture there. You know,
you got rid of Alonso and Nimo, and you know,
they brought some new guys in. Sometimes it takes a
little time for guys to adjust. But I don't know
enough about the inner workings of the New York Mets
to comment on it. But It is a bit surprise
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because I know there is a lot of high optimism
going into spring training. People thought the Mets were going
to be in it to to, you know, challenge the
Dodgers and get to the World Series.
Speaker 9 (34:08):
But it just hasn't gone that direction.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
So when an Aaron Judge gets banged up, Ben Rice
steps up and puts up huge numbers. The Dartmouth kid,
it's you know, I remember watching Ben Rice. Are we
surprised or was this understood in the Yankees ecosystem that
Ben Rice was going to end up being this?
Speaker 9 (34:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (34:31):
You never want to put ceilings on guys when they're
playing and when they're coming up. But I think, you know,
the adjustments that he's been able to make this year
and the production that he's had offensively, I think it's
probably caught a few people off guard. But he's he's
in the conversation for the most valuable player in the
American League up until this point, and what he's been
able to do even when Aaron's been out has been
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pretty impressive. I mean, yeah, he went through a little
time where he struggled, but that happens to every player
over one hundred and sixty two games. But he's fun
to watch. He continues to get better and better. And
you know the thing I like to watch is he's
having fun and he's got a smile on his face.
He's enjoying himself. Hit another triple I think it was yesterday.
But he's a big reason why the Yankees. Yeah, I
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know they were scuffling a little bit, but he's a
big reason why I still believe the Yankees are the
favorite in the American League.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Okay, this ABS system, I have said for years now,
Rob Manfred can take some crap on this stuff, Derek,
but he has made four or five adjustments.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
They've all worked. They're all great.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I thought the ABS would get a little bit of
pushback and it would be what it's done.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
It's unveiled the truth.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
And you know, it also shows me how well the
batters know the plate. It's remarkable how often they do
this and within an echine they're right. If you would
have had this, would you have used it a lot?
Or did you always feel like, yeah, thems are pretty good.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
They know what they're doing.
Speaker 9 (35:57):
It's interesting.
Speaker 10 (35:57):
I you know, when I would playing, I felt as
though I knew the outside corner, as well as anyone.
The inside corner would confuse me a little bit because
sometimes I'd lean out there. But I think you know,
there's times throughout the season when you're seeing the ball well,
extremely well and you know what a strike is, and
there's other times when you're scuffling a little bit you
have no idea. So we've seen guys challenge pitches and
(36:20):
pitches have been right down the middle. You've also seen
guys that have been successful, like by an eighth of
an inch. So I love it. I think the fans
love it. I think it makes you know, it's sort
of bringing that type of tennis atmosphere into the game.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
Where they showed on the scoreboard.
Speaker 10 (36:36):
So, like you said, there's been some changes in the
game that I think the fans really appreciate. And look,
it's going to bring more fans to the sport, then
I'm all for it.
Speaker 9 (36:45):
But ABS has been a huge success.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I went to a Cubs game not long ago, and
I got to tell you, the fans are into it.
It's like an added ell. It's a little bit of
a game show within the game.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
And just think it's.
Speaker 10 (36:55):
Great and it also shows you who knows the strike zone.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
It absolutely does. Yeah's pretty good today. I gotta admit it, Derek,
I maybe not work at four to seventy in the
All Star Game.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
That was pretty strong. I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I appreciate what.
Speaker 9 (37:07):
Four eighty is. What you said? Did you say four
eighty we started this?
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Oh for eighty one?
Speaker 9 (37:13):
Yeah, he screwed it up.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
There you go.
Speaker 9 (37:15):
You spoke too soon. There you go. Great team, Colin gret.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
You know the outside part of the plate and your
All Star number.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Excellent work.
Speaker 9 (37:23):
Could see anybody you too, See you soon, all right.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
The great Derek Jeter stopped by the show today. Ridiculous four.
He was thirteen for twenty seven. And that's facing, by
the way, aces that you don't face normally.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
You're getting.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
You're getting Randy Johnson stuff. You watch Randy Johnson highlights
the never faced these guys. That's an insane number. I
have like a list of his career stats. I mean
he's like six most hits all time. I mean they're
all great. Four eighty one All Star Game average and
a lot of times the All Star Game. If I
recall a lot of times you playing stadiums, you know
(38:01):
it's Derek Jeters, one of the first guys up, leadoff guy.
You're getting shadows that first at bat in the All
Star Game. Early, you may have shadows in the stadium.
You're not seeing it. Bringing my a game today, all right, unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I get a buddy given me crab about Jeter. He's
got a good memory for certain things.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I don't all. I don't love all the memories, but
it is very good memory. In Chicago at the
Speaker 2 (38:30):
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