April 6, 2024 • 43 mins
Mannix and Sergio Mora discuss the controversial actions—or inactions—by Tim Tszyu’s corner, what’s next for Bud Crawford, David Benavidez’s shots at Canelo, what we need to see from Richardson Hitchins and Diego Pacheco this weekend, more. #Volume #Herd
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Speaker 4 (02:18):
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Speaker 2 (02:24):
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Speaker 4 (02:26):
By the way, I'm interrupting.
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Speaker 4 (02:28):
Can I interrupt you please? You just did so when
you introduced me. I would I want your editors to
put some triumphant music for my entrance, like trumpets blaring
like a king is entering.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
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(03:05):
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in Vegas. I love that we will be in Vegas
later on. Today we're in Los Angeles because we will
be at the Devin Haney Ryan Garcia workout, or actually
Devin Haney workout in Los Angeles a little bit later
in the day on Friday. It's funny, sergery. I was
just thinking, like a month ago, if you had asked
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me the percentage chance that the Devin Haney Ryan Garcia
fight was going to happen, I would have said like
thirty thirty five percent. But here we are, like two
weeks out and it seems like this fight is take
place at the Barclays Center on April twentieth. Are you
surprised that that we're here, that that this fight's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
No, I'm not surprised because there's a lot of money
on the line, a lot of money on the line.
You know, two huge promoters are on board, networks are
on board. So when there's that much, you know, to
writing on it, you can't just risk it on a
couple of concerning tweets on Ryan Garcia's part, because other
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than that, he looks in good shape.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
He he It's more though than a couple of concerning tweets, though, Like, okay, okay,
but you're not going to cancel a fight on tweets.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
What else has he done? Has he broken the law?
Has he done broken? I mean there's been boxers that
have actually broken the law and still fought you many
many of them basketball players too, by the way, So yeah,
this is a fighter that's you know, deep into his spirituality, religion,
predicting like he's an Austrodamis. By the way, there was
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an earthquake today in New York. I think Ryan Garcia
predicted it. Either way, that's not concerning enough for them
to cancel the fight. It's a mega event. The kid
sells and it's gonna do well.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It is gonna do well. I am, though, surprised that
we're here because it's not just him thrown out a
couple of tweets. I mean, this was to the point
where the New York State Athletic Commission, according to Ryan Garcia,
was asking for a mental competency tests. So you know,
if they were asking for a mental competency test, they
were legitimate concerns. But here we are two weeks out.
Ryan Garcia says he's ready, Devin Haney says he's ready.
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So we are going to get that fight on April twenty.
Before we talk about the fight card, we have this
weekend I want to get your take on one of
the controversies of last weekend. Last weekend, we had Sebastia
Vandora upsetting Tim Zu to win the unified one hundred
and fifty four pound title. The controversy in that fight
is that in the second round, due to an accidental
clash of heads and elbows, tim Zu suffered a nasty
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cut on the top of his head, a cut that
bled for the rest of the fight. Clearly chained the
outcome of that fight. Timsu was dominating the first two
rounds of that fight, wound up losing a split decision
after that. The question I have for you, as a
former fighter is should the corner of Tim Zu have
stopped that fight? If they had stopped that fight after
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the third round, it would have gone to a no contest,
which would have been a disappointing outcome, but it wouldn't
have put their fighter at risk of exactly what happened.
So I've heard ex fighters like Tim Bradley criticize the
corner of Tim Zuo. I have criticized the corner of
Tim Zuo. What do you say about whether or not
the corner should have stopped that fight?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Former champion to you, Chris Mannix, don't be relegating my.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Tim Bradley's also a former champion, so let's.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah, it's that former fighter, all right, so check yourself.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Get to the point.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yes, I would be furious if I was Tim Zoo
because he did the brave thing. You know. He took
a fight where nobody, nobody in the right mind would
have went from fighting an older former champion and Keith
Thurman to a six foot seven South Paul with a
nine inch reach advantage and nine inches in height. Who
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does that get? You get a good fighter with a
respectable name, a top contender to save the date. I
get it. It happens all the time. He still probably would
have looked bad, but he wouldn't have got an elbow
on the top of the head by a fighter that's
nine inches taller and a south Paul. I mean everything.
If you can design the perfect nightmare opponent, it's Sebastian's Fandora,
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and Tim Zu decided to take on that nightmare in
eleven days. Notice that shows you the kind of fighter
throwback mentality that Timzu is. But it's also stupid, and
I'm going to say it right now because now he's
not a champion, and now we got a new unified champion.
That's where calculated risks and matchmaking and saying no to
your team and to the network and to whoever else
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is in charge. No, it's a very important word. I've
said it many times my career, and I've been almost
black balled by promoters and networks. But no, it's very important.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
Man.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
You gotta tell your kids, no, you gotta tell your
trainer no. You gotta tell everybody around you know. This
is your life, your career, and you only have one
of it. Look at Tim Zoo right now. Would have
been a world champion. He would have been in line
to fighting one of the big dogs that won fifty
four millions on the line. Now he took two or
three steps back and has to heal from a nasty cut,
and he's not the champion anymore. This is a huge
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misstep on Tim Zoo's part and team and his corner
for not stopping that fight. It should have been a
no no contest after that cut in the second round.
They should have let the referee know, hey, listen, too
much blood is pouring into the fighter's face. It's getting
the way of the vision which it did. It's not
a lie. There's been fights stopped for way lesser injuries,
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way lesser cuts. This is a world championship fight. You
needed to do the right thing. That corner messed up,
and Tim Zuo should be furious, furious at his team
and his trainer are not calling him out on that
because now he's not the champ. Now he takes a
back seat and it's going to be a long time
til he gets that chance again.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I understood letting him go out there after the second round,
just see if you could do it over one round,
but he lost that third round, and after that third
round seeing the cut just poor blood, you know, over
the course of that round, I mean both those guys
were just yeah, after one round of bleeding, they were
both crimson right, Like the corner should have recognized that
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this cut wasn't going to get better and that it
was going to cause Tim Zoo to have to fight differently.
It was going to negatively affect him. So they opened
the door for Sebastian Door to take advantage, and he
did do his credit, like, he threw a lot more
jabs then we've seen fun Door throw. But I think
Tim Zoo's Corner deserves the criticism that they're getting because
of this. They they dropped the ball here, and I
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think other trainers, maybe even your trainer, other more experienced tramping.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
It's happened to me too, by the way, in that
Manfredi rematch, I got two cuts in both of my
eyes the second rounds and I was bleeding profusely. That
was only a eight round fight, and my trainer didn't
stop that fight either, and I barely squeaked out a
split decision. But if I would have lost, I would
have probably been mad at my trainer for not stopping
that fight. So everything is hindsight twenty twenty looking backwards.
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But they they meaning the corner, Zoo Corner needed to
protect their champion. There's not a fighter, there's not a
contender that was a champion in line to make millions
of dollars to be an international star, not only in
Australia but all over. I mean, he has that legacy
of a last name with a great costa zoos. So
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this was a huge misstep and I think tim Zu
should be furious because it's going to take a long
time for him to climb back up to championship status
and win another championship.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So there are ripple effects to the Fundora win. And
it begins with the fact that Sebastian Wandor is not
gonna be ready to fight, probably till November December. He
is suspended by the Nevada Commission, has a broken nose,
and some of the reports indicate that Fondora won't even
start training again until late September. So that puts a
lot of pieces back on the board. You've got Terrence Crawford,
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who is the mandatory for the WBO version of Fondora's titles,
and I want to go there, Sergio, because we have
not seen Terrence Crawford in the ring since July of
last year. He's been waiting for a big opportunity. Chase
Canelo Alvarez around for a little bit that didn't work out.
Sure doesn't sound like Jamel Charlow is going to work out.
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Crawford was certainly hoping for the opportunity to fight Fondora
for two belts at one fifty four. But now that
opportunity is gone, at least until December. What does Terrence
Crawford do in a situation like this? Does he wait
for Sebastian Fondora to heal and potentially be out for
eighteen months, or is there another opponent out there that
makes sense for Terrence Crawford.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
No, you know, whenever you're one of the best fighters
in the world, like Bud Crawford is coming off one
of the biggest most anticipated fights in UH of the
of the year, of the last twenty years in Aero Spence,
He's allowed to have a give me fight, And by
gimme doesn't mean it's gonna be an easy fight, just
it's not gonna be a star mega fight pay per view.
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So I think that's what Terns Crawford should do.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
You know there wants to get paid.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
I understand that, but he's thirty six years old and
time is not on his side.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So you can't have both.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
You can't have a gimme and get paid exactly. So
he has to actually accept that. So by gimme doesn't
mean a tomato can. It's still going to be a
tough fight. I'm thinking more, you know, like a top
contender that's already lost, an Alexis roacha type ROACHA was
in line. You know, he won his last fight. He's
active that.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I think that fight zero dollars an Alexis Roach, but
that's zero.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
That's a fight that can make that can make sense.
It's a it's a mandatory, or you can go anymore
but it was and or you can go to the
opposite side of it that beat the guy that just
beat Roach A santi On that that that will actually
be very interesting. I would love to see Bud Crawford
and Giovanni Santian for the boxing fans. That would be
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a really exciting fight considering what Santian to Rocha. It'll
be a respectable, stay busy fight, and it's a fight
that Bud can not only win but shut a lot
of people up and taking a tough mandatory against an
undefeated fighter.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Y Santion, Well, Santion's got to fight scheduled now for
May teeth. It's gonna fight Brian Norman in kind of
a homecoming fight for santi On.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But if Bud Crawford winks his way, you can bet
probably can't.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I would think that, but I don't think Bud Crawford
wants to fight like that. It's not a pay per
view fight, and if it's not a pay per view fight,
you can't get the kind of dollars that he has
been insisting that he gets to get back into the ring.
I think the opposite SURGEO. I think if you're Bud Crawford,
you want big fights him here on out, the biggest
fight at Welter White's Boots and Us. We both agree
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on that, like Boots is out there, he is you know,
he had already has one of the belts that Bud relinquished,
the IVF.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
That's not a popular fight though for the paper. But
that's not gonna be the dollars fight that you're talking about.
The pay per view numbers. Boots doesn't bring that.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
There is no pay per view fight for Terrence.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Roll you go, so then why are you going to
take on a beast like Boots when you don't happen.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
No, Look, you can make Boots Senis versus Crawford on
pay per view. It doesn't does do particularly well, but
you can do. You can make more money fighting Bootsennis
than you will fight, Yes, significantly more. You definitely can
do that. The question but Crawford does not seem at
all motivated to fight Boots Ennis now or any time,
and that's not a It's not unusual, like older champions
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don't generally fight younger champions. That's sort of how it
goes in boxing in any way class. So if he
doesn't want to fight Boots Ennis and these lesser tier
fights that you're talking about are understood, I don't know
what it is. I don't know what the fight is. Like,
do you wait for Tim Zue to heal up the
summer and do that fight with him anyway? Like you know,
you kind of sell it like this guy was going
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to win before this whole thing happened with Fondora. Do
you look at another title holder at one fifty four?
I mean, I think Crawford right now is in a
very difficult position because there isn't a money fight out
there for him, even Jermeal Charlo right now, Sergio, Like,
that's not a money fight anymore. The way Jermeal Charlo
fought against Canelo Alvarez, that is not that that diminished
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Dremmel in probably the worst possible way. So I guess
my answer is I don't know, man, Like, I just
don't know what the solution. If he's not going to
fight Boots, he might be out of the ring for
quite some time.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I just told you the solution, and you're not listening solutions.
Bad No, because I've been inactive. I'm the king of inactivity.
And I could tell you if I was in a
Bud Craft, I was in a Bud Crawford level, the Triumphant,
the trip.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, bring back the trumpets, the king of inactive.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
But I am, though, and I could tell you if
I could, if I could take it back, I would
take a stay busy fight against the fighter that's not
gonna give me my minimum, and I had a high
minimum at that at that point, I would budet has
gotta be like four million, I get it, but you
got to take half that so you can get a
two million fight fighting a.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Stay busy bed For that, I just don't.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Well, he's gonna have to thirty six years old man,
because you know, time's down on his side, and as
as talented as he is and pound for punk, great,
Hall of Future, Hall of Famer, he needs to have
one of these stay busy fights. Every graat has done it,
every great I mean, Canelo Alvare has fought uh Abney
your yildrum in between fights.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
That was a little bit different. That was I'm fighting
because Canella fought in December February then may like those
were that was a six month stretch or a five
month stretch refought three.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Anthony Joshua has fought Kubrito living between you know. So
that's on the comeback trail though, And I could keep
going here, all right, Every champion has these guys that
stay busy fights. They're respectable.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
You take state. If you to take a stay busy fight,
you take it in December of last year, like six
months after your win December January. Don't take it a
year later like that doesn't make a lot of sense
to me.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
You are asking me, the former champion of the questions.
I am responding your answer. You don't like and you
don't like my responses, then why don't you Why don't
you have the Chris Mannis Podcast with my guests Chris
Mannix every week we'll see how I mean listeners.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Are there does excellent numbers.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Santiano Roacha makes all the sense.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
That doesn't make any sense right now, Roaches on the
comeback trail. Santian under put.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Fight in Texas, California, Nevada or Arizona. It'll fill the house,
it will do well.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Look if he's willing to take two million bucks, three
million bucks probably, Yeah, I can see that, but I
just don't think buds look at it took to take that.
I mean, he made what the eight figures that fight
against Daryl Spence.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
He's not gonna make eight figures or four figures in
his next fight. He's not gonna make that.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
On that, I think we agree. I want to get
your take on David Benavitez, who has been out there
recently kind of pushing back on the narrative that Canelo
Alvarez has been floating it doesn't really need David Benavitez,
that David Benavitez doesn't bring a whole lot to the table,
that he would only fight him for one hundred and
fifty million dollars. Benevetez has said something to the Canelo
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needs to start showing him David Benavidez some respect. Do
you do you buy that? Do you think Canelo has
been disrespectful of David Benavidez.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Canelo is one of the most classiest, respectful champions in boxing.
I'm a big fan of David Benavidez, but I have
no clue what he's talking about there. Uh, there's a
lot of dangerous up and coming undefeated champions that don't
get the recognition by the guys that have been on
top for a long time. And that's just the way
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things goes, not just in boxing, in every form, in
any career, you gotta pay your dues. Cannelo has paid
his dues in this game since he was fifteen years old.
He got to where he is doing it the old
fashioned way, you know, blue collared way, bleeding for it.
Now he's the head honcho in charge. He's the pound
for pound king. He demands where he fights, he goes
wherever you go. He goes wherever he wants, and wherever
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he roams is where people follow. David Benavidez wants that status.
He will probably one day get that status, but he
can't say it's disrespectful for a king to not look
your way. That king earned his right. He's allowed to
walk in the manner he wants, and David Benavitez needs
to understand that he needs to keep knocking out guys
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the way he's doing it, like he did against Android
and beating down Caleb Plant and all these other fighters
that they put in front of him. Dude, he's doing
just that. He will be the next star. He's in
line to be the Mexican monster in pay per view star.
I guarantee you he has the look, the backing, the following,
the style, and the knockout power. This this man will
be a star. But don't expect to, you know, get
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some of that glimmer of Canelo's star and call it
that he's disrespecting or hating. No, that man is just doing.
He paved his own way and he calls his own shots.
David Benavidez needs to understand that and respect that himself.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Everything Canelo Alvarez is doing is straight out of the
Floyd Mayweather playbook. It's exactly what Floyd did. Floyd made
his bones as pretty boy over the years, right, he
effectively became a Hall of Fame fighter as pretty boy.
Floyd a multi division world champion, fought some of the
best at one thirty, one, thirty five, one forty seven,
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one fifty four when he beat Oscar de la Hoya
back in two thousand and seven, and after that he
started looking for highest risk and lowest reward. That's what
he did, and I think that's what we're seeing now
with Canelo al forres Floyd Mayweather for really five years
put off the Manipakia fight. He didn't want anything to
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do with Manipacia for five years until that fight was
so big that the money for it was so enormous
that Floyd agreed to get in the ring with him.
That is exactly what Canelo was doing there. He's not
being subtle about it. He's saying, I'll fight the guy.
Give me one hundred and fifty million dollars. Now. I
don't think someone's gonna runt a check for aront of
and fifty million. But if David Benavidez beats Vostik in June,
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and then let's say, athetically, in November December, he beats
the winner of Better BV and Bevo, which I think
he can like. I don't think it's an easy fight,
but I think it's a winnable fight for David Benavidez.
How much bigger is Canelo Benavitez this time next year
that it is right now? I mean, right now, Canello
could probably make forty to fifty to fifty five million
dollars to fight Benavitez. If David Benavidez is the undisputed
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light heavyweight champion this time next year. The fight with
Canelo is massive, maybe so big that the Saudis turnaround
and write a check, But it's certainly big enough to
put that fight in a Legion Stadium in Vegas, to
do a pay per view that will go well over
a million buys. Like I just think Canello is doing
what Floyd did brilliantly. He is being a businessman first,
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and it makes much better business sense to fight David
Benavitez next year than it does right now.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I thought you were gonna quote jay Z right there
and give me a jay Z line. I'm not a
business man. I'm a business man. Let Canelo handle his business,
damn or Chingao, But no, I agree with you. Can
you imagine? Can you imagine that fight at Raiders Stadium
in Las Vegas on Single the Mile weekend or September
Mexican Independence Day between Canello and Benavitez. It doesn't get bigger.
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That's as big as it gets in pay per view numbers,
in the casual fan and the hardcore boxing fan. I
would I'm salivating right now, Mannix, give me a napkin.
That fight right there is a historic fight, and I
already told you I think wins that fight. I think
a lot of people will favor Benavide's to win that round.
But can you imagine finally seeing Canelo on the back foot,
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you know, hurt or bleeding or dropped or have to
come adversity like a lot of great fighters have to
do it. In order for Canelo to win that fight,
we're gonna have to see him come back through adversity
like the old greats have, the Ali, the Lennards, the Durans.
Canelo will have to prove that against Benavitez, a younger, stronger, faster, taller,
longer reach champion. That will be beautiful to watch. And
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I hope and wish and pray that it happens, and
it happens on this side of the pond or the
Atlantic Ocean.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yes, that can be called the pond. And think about
the finances of it too, Like I have been told
that Canelo can earn in the neighborhood of forty five
million dollars for fighting Jimi Moongia. So let's say that
the stuff Samson Lukawitz is throwing out there is true.
That they're offering Canelo fifty five million dollars to fight
him to Canelo Alvarez, ten million dollars isn't all that much, right, Like,
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if you can fight Jimemongia in a fight that you
are going to be three to one four to one
favorite in and make forty five million dollars, why would
you fight a much tougher fight against David Benavitez just
to make fifty five million dollars. I think this is
all about business. I just think it's all about how
much money Canelo can get someone, whether it's a network
a foreign government to pay him to fight David Benavitez.
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Because Canello was right there watching Floyd Mayweather do his thing.
When Floyd put off and put off and put off
the Pakia fight, how many people were killing Floyd. I
was one of them, kill Floyd for years for not
fighting Many Pakia when he was right there in his
weight class. But Floyd was right, he was right.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
He put it off, and then he walked away with
like three hundred million dollars or whatever it was to
fight Many Pakia at that time. That is exactly what
Canelo was trying to do.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
And then he made one hundred million plus to fight
an MMA fighter and Jonoor McGregor, that popularity and having
that type of success, you know, yeah, I mean you
can only you can harp on a fighter or an
athlete all you want, but you haven't seen the vision yet.
You haven't seen it all the way to the end.
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Most of the time there's mistakes, but sometimes like Mayweather,
like Cannelo and certain grades, they get it right and
history has to respect that. Whether you like it or not,
you have to respect it. And it's all about are
they Hall of Fame fighters absolutely yes? Are they making
a killing in money yes, generational money yes? And in
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the end, it was a beautifully beautiful career that they
had inside the ring and outside the ring as businessmen,
and they're ever able to carry it on to the end.
Anthony Joshua was another one. There's so many of them,
and it's rare that you get to see boxers at
that side of the spectrum. Normally we see the opposite
of that, you know, broke, you know, drooling, can't spell
their names, you know, punch drunk, lost everything, and we
(25:27):
love to see sometimes a successful ending to that bad tale.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
It's a mistake to do this for every fight, because
a lot of fights don't happen because this, and frankly
the Pacquiao May with A fight almost didn't happen because
Pakia lost to Marquez during all that. But sometimes it does.
And I think the case of Canelo Benavidez, with Canelo,
you know, likely to win on May fourth. If he
fights in September, he's probably gonna fight someone else he's
(25:53):
likely to beat. Benefide is probably gonna have the toughest
test in front of him. He finds winds up fighting
the winner of better BV versus b UH, he could lose.
But if he wins Monster Fight Vegas, Allegiant Stadium, massive
pay per view, nine figures on the table potentially for
both those times.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
It does not get bigger both of them. Both of
them will sell, they'll break records pay per view.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I agree. All right, We're gonna be in Vegas on
Saturday the new Fountain Blue Hotel. Sergio have not seen it,
supposedly really nice, brand new just opened, and they will
be having a boxing event there. Richardson Hitchins headlining that
show against Gustavo Leamos. Hitchins, to me, is already one
of the best pure boxers in the sport, like his
(26:38):
talent is legit. He is a big, tall, rangey one
hundred and forty pounder. He has an incredible jab, he
is accurate with his power shots. What he has been
missing up until this point is a little bit of
that killer instinct, a little bit of that finisher in him.
Like you look at his last fight against Jose's Apeida,
(26:59):
a comprehensive, one sided beating, near shutout against Thepeida. But
at the end of that fight, and you were there
in Orlando with me, I remember seeing a wounded Zapeta
in front of Hitchins over the last few rounds, and
Hitchin's not really doing anything to press the action and
go for the stoppage. And that's been kind of a
theme over the course of his career. As much talent
(27:22):
as anyone in boxing, but doesn't go for stoppages. So
my question for you is going up against the fighter
like Lamos, someone that is undefeated but largely untested, who
is aggressive fighter who's probably gonna try to beat Hitchin's
face all night, does he need to do more than
just win this fight on Noday?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
No, I don't. I don't know how many times do
I don't know how many times I need to repeat
and remind you that boxing is all about winning, winning, winning,
winning winning. Richardson Hitchins knows this. He doesn't care about
critics like you or anyone else writing bad about him,
because as long as he keeps winning and maintaining that zero,
he's bound to cash in that zero for a check
(28:04):
full of zeros. Okay, So I'm telling you right now,
richards And Hitchins doesn't need to look for the knockout
or take chances as long as he keeps winning. And
the thing about having that much talent is that you
can keep fighting after that because you're not getting touch,
you're not getting hit, you're not getting cut, you're not
getting injured, so you can keep you can keep, you know,
climbing the ranks the safe way, the smart way, that
(28:27):
calculated way, instead of getting into wars. Now you're saying
take a risk, like in the paid to fight, the
paid is hard to knock out and he's a big puncher.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
That maybe wrong time to say the paid is hard
to knock out since he's a flattened by Dalton Smith
in his last.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
He's a big puncher and it was before that Dalton
Smith fight. But he's a big puncher, he's a solid
fight before and and he dominated. Hitchins dominated that fight.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
How many more examples do you know? This guy getting
knocked out? He's not He apparently is not that hard
to knock.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Out pro grade. It took him what eleven rounds whatever
it was. Hitchins is not there yet, and he's not
in the championship level. So let him cross the finish
line and start, you know, becoming. Let him become a champion,
started getting that championship money. Then maybe he could start
taking chances if he wants to become a pay per
view fighter one day and get the big fights, because then, yes,
once you're a champion, you have to take it to
(29:18):
another gear if you want the bigger names, because then
you're gonna be, you know, one of these fighters like
Demetrius Andred that was a champion for who knows how long,
and no one would look his way because he wasn't
going for not that.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
A great example you are making my argument for me.
Dimitrius Andreid. All he did was win and it wasn't
until last year, at age what thirty four that he
fought his first former world chance.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
He made up boatload of money fight these fighters that
no one's heard of.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
It, and he got lucky to an extent because he
got early money from Eddie Hearn. Eddie Hearn signed with
his OA.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
That was as much about you heard what Richard Hitchins
said yesterday at the press conference, straight to Eddie's face. Man,
this is free money. I feel like I'm picking your
That was great by Hitchin saying he thinks it's gonna
be easy Money's lemmos his easy money, and he's looking
at it like, hey man, I'm robbing the bank. I
won't be surprised if Hitchins comes out in a ski mask,
just like Mayweather did for PoCA and McGregor. This is
(30:13):
a heist. Stick him up, man, stick them up, because
I think Hitchins is on the right path and he's
doing it the right thing.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yes, but Andreid could not get a top level opponent
in with him because top level opponents didn't see a
lot of upside there. They didn't see pay per view
upside there, they didn't see dollar figures when they fought
Demetrius andre They saw a slick southpaw that wasn't willing
to engage for much of the fight. And that's the
problem that Richdon Hitchins could run into over the next
(30:42):
couple of years.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Why is it hitchins fault that he looks that he
isn't doesn't take chance. Why is it the opponents they're
they're the ones that need to take break that jab,
break that distance.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Break that He's got a very good job. It's extreme credit.
Nobody is telling him. Nobody's suggesting that Richards and Hitchens
should be Arturogotti. Nobody is saying that. It's more about Hey,
when you got a guy that is defeated and you know,
not that you know this part of it, but like
a guy like Zipida had to know, like going to
the tenth round that he was down nine zip that's
(31:15):
got to be deflating. He got hurt several times in
the tenth and eleventh rounds. If you see a hurt
fighter like that, don't go for the one punch knockout,
but swarm him, throw a bunch of punches, score a
knockout that way. I need to see that for a
rich hitch Because you know what, Sergio, it isn't just
about winning. Boxing is a television show. And if nobody
(31:36):
watches a television show. The television show gets canceled. If
nobody's watching you box, or nobody's buying tickets for you
to box, to watch you box, then you are not
going to be on television and you are not going
to be headlining made events.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
You weren't.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
And you, by the way, you didn't have great power,
but you understood what it meant to be on television
even in the ring. Lick the blood off your glove,
a little theatrical out there. You know, you knew what
it took to be television friendly. That's all I want
from Hitchens. Be a little more television friendly as he's
winning these fights.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
All right, I'll give you that. Yeah, I didn't have
the power of the knockout the knockouts, but I had
television success with the reality show, and I had a
little you know, Latin snake come out of me.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
You know.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Mark Burnett on The Contender urged me to do more
of that.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Says, ye know, I like it when you do that
bravado you stick out chess.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
What accent are you doing right now?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
It's a British accent.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
I need more of that, the bravado that to pounds
your chest and the more machismo. It's good television. And
I always remember that from Mark Burnett, and I carried
that on the rest of my career. And I also
remember watching guys at Roberto Duran. You know you'll do
that stance after every round, and yeah, that's when a
little bit of a showmanship come in and and and
(32:52):
you can't plan that, it just comes out with Hitchens.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
That's his character.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Man.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
He's been so successful doing this as an Olympian, as
an undefeated professional, beating former champions, beating contenders, and he's
making the money he's always dreamed of making now and
they're and they're keeping him busy. So if he can
keep dominating on one of the best jabs in boxing,
which is Hitchin's jab now and being disciplined and responsible
(33:18):
and not getting hit, not getting cut, he's gonna walk
over these for guys like Lambo's and Zepaida and all
these other fighters. Let him get to the big fights now.
If he gets to the big names, and mind you,
it's a loaded division, so the big names not only
gonna bring the big money, but they're gonna bring the
big danger, and come, big danger jab is not gonna
be enough. So Hitchins is gonna have to show more
in those fights against Teo Femo, against Tank, against every Matias,
(33:43):
against everybody. At one forty, it's gonna remind me of
ray Ford. Manics. Remember what you and Grisham used to
say about ray Ford. Ah, Now he needs to show
us more. He's not gonna do this, not gonna do
that he does to knock guys out. Mattroom is not
gonna give him opportunities. Guess what that's Matt Rooms us
champion And how did he become champion by taking a
(34:03):
big opportunity And he didn't get the knockout. Ray Ford
didn't get the knockouts up to that, up to that fight.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
He got the knockout in that fight though, Yeah, but
look at what he had to go through. Yeah, and
everybody's talking about ray Ford in the aftermath of that.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
That was a big moment for Okay, can you put
it on record that you were one of his biggest
critics about not going.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Because I was in Phoenix with you. Yes, I'm saying
it was.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
One of his proponents vouching for him. Me because I
know talent Mannix and I know that hitching.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Okay, but don't don't rewrite history here because we were
both in Phoenix in that Bizarro Danny Jacobs Julio Caesar
Shavez fight on that card was ray Ford against Edward
Vasquez and he lost that fight, but he got a
gift decision by the judges. That's why I started to
turn down on ray Ford to raise credit. He made
some changes to his team. He's worked a lot harder
(34:49):
and in that fight against was Autoback. I'm gonna butchers
last name, so I'm not gonna say it. In that fight,
the boxing wasn't working, so he took the fight the
guy and then wound up knocking him out with the
spectacular finish at the end of the twelfth round. He
took the fight to him. Now, I want to see
more of that from Hitches. You got a hurt fighter
in front of you. Think you think ray Ford planned that.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
No, it was his opponent's aggression, and it was the
fact that it was a close fight, and it was
another fact that a lot of people choose yeah, the
other guy to win that fight. Ray Ford is a
special talent, just like Hitchins. Hitchens is a special talent.
They have an above normal, above average, extraordinary fight IQ
(35:33):
and it starts with that, and then it trickles down
to discipline and they don't go out a character, and
then it goes to the attribute to speed, and then
it goes to the amateur background, and then it gets
into toughness and power and matchmaking and promoting and all that.
But they they have been so successful not getting out
of character that they're not going to change that. And
(35:54):
that's a discipline that not many have, and I think
they should keep doing that until they get the championship
level fights, they get to a world title, then they
can have more more more options on their table, maybe
take more chances.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Fortunately four hitchins and against the guy like Lamos, he's
gonna have a guy right in his face all night long,
and if he wins, he's probably gonna become the mandatory
for super Real Matias's IBF title, which is another fighter
that's gonna be right there engaging with him, So he's
gonna have to show his stuff in those particular fights.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
All right.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Last thing, also on this card is Diego Pacheco, who
you and I both love like one of the best
prospects in boxing. Twenty three years old, top five ranked
by three of the four sanctioning bodies. He's got to
fight coming up on this week and against Sean McCallum
or Mcalum. I'm gonna say that name one more time.
He's got to fight coming up this weekend. You know,
(36:49):
Pacheco is right there on the doorstep of a world
title shot. Last year he knocked out Marcello Cosras. That
was a gatekeeper type of win, biggest win in terms
of names of Pacheco's career. My question for you is,
is this the year that you think Diego Pacheco is
ready for that world title shot?
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Mckelman and you're thinking of Calum a twelve year old
Scotch McKellen or something.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
McCallum the body stature. No.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
To answer your question, I think yes, but he's not
gonna get Canelo. Canelo has all the belts, so he's
not going to get that fight unless he beats up Berlanga.
So I think if it's an undisputed eliminator to face
the King and that's Canelo, Berlanga has to fight a
fighter like Pacheco or you know, maybe someone along that line.
(37:42):
But look, they talk about Berlanga fighting Canelo, and I
think Pacheco doesn't deserve Canelo, and neither does Berlanga. But
if they fight each other, then maybe then maybe they
deserve a crack at the king. Okay, So then to
answer your question, no, he's not gonna get that fight
because he's not ready. He hasn't evolved enough, he hasn't
won a world championship. Yes he's the goods, and yes
they are moving him brilliantly because I'm not. I wasn't
(38:05):
a fan of Diego Pacheco's first two fights, Chris Mannis
we called. We've called all his fights.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
And so you were right about ray Ford and wrong
about Diaco Pacheco.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
I never said he wasn't gonna be championship, but I didn't.
I didn't think much of him. And and now my
my change, my my my opinion. Just like his style
has evolved. This guy is a monster man. I won
sixty eight, but he unfortunately he's in a division where
there's only one king. I want to dispute a king,
and that's Canelo. And Canelo's not gonna fight. He's not
(38:35):
gonna look backwards and fighting up and comer and Pachecko.
So unless those belts get available, then maybe he can
fight someone else. Maybe he can fight Munguia after Canelo
fights him, Maybe he can fight someone else. If it's
not Berlanga, Berlangan, Berlanga needs to step up too. By
the way, let's not just stay check.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
When I think he is going to stay on ice
until Canelo decides.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
What he was, he ain't getting that fight. Berlanga's not
getting that fight shocked. If he does, I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna keep question Conor here. Keith Conley gets
the job done. I give him credit.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Don't give Key Conley props in the show we don't do.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Devin Chenko made a killing thanks to Keith Connley, so
I gotta give him cit.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Derevin Chenko has made some good money. Maybe that's the
guy for him, Serga derrevin Chenko a one hundred and
sixty eight pounds. Derevin Chenko would probably take a fight
like that. But I think a better fight and a
main event type of fight is Bekdimir Melikuziev.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Here you go with Cheko, Here you go man.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Against be Beck. You go From what I'm told Beck
is going to be on this April twentieth card, I
think so he's gonna fight a couple of weeks after
Diego Pacheco, so the timing kind of lines up. We
know that Bechdimir will fight anybody's He's always proven that.
Put Cheko Melikuziev too, top ten ranked one hundred and
(39:47):
sixty eight pounders. Sign me up for that because that
is an offensive. Uh, just a display from both those guys.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
I still would want a more popular name, but yeah,
a fight friendly fight.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
You can't name him popul Then there's nobody like realistic,
like Caleb Plant is.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Not taking you know, I'm thinking about those lines.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
There are two guys I jump off the page right.
One is Melakuziv because he's kind of known in the US,
partly for wrong reasons. He got knocked out by Gaberzatto,
but he's a known commodity, gonna get good exposure on
this Garcia Haini card. The other guy that jumped to
mind was Eric Bazinian, who a lot of people don't know,
but he's also highly ranked by all.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
The section of melakuz makes more sense.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Okay, Bazinians fight next week too, So you got another
guy that's kind of right there timing wise. So what
I think for Pacheco this year, whether it's summer, early fall,
give him a top ten, top five rated super middleweight
that's available to me. That's Melakuziev and that's Eric Pazinian.
Those are two guys I think that would make a
lot of sense.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I think they're moving them right, just like ray Ford.
You gotta be patient. He's gonna get his time time.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
In fourth though, it took a fight that nobody really wanted,
like was gonna have to do that to them?
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Kind of?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I mean, Melakuzia is kind of it, like that's there.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
You go, well, maybe it's gonna be one of those
type fights where where it's the risk outweighs of a reward.
But if he passes that test, then you know, he
gets the title shot. And I think Pacheck was gonna
He's already evolved into something that I didn't think he
can be. And this kid is the truth. He is
the truth. He's a power puncher, he's tall, he's lanky,
he's he's somewhat of a of a Kelly Pablock type
and and and he does it with more. Yeah. Man,
(41:22):
this kid's a beast. I love watching him and his
last fight, you know, and not only did he get
the knockout, but he packed the house and he's getting
a following, and they're moving them and promoting them, right.
I think Dereg Pacheck was a future ticket seller and
and and hands down a champion guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, the champion part. This is where I wish Canelo
would just give up the belts because kenella auers need
the belts. He's not defined by those four titles. And
you know that if you if you have a title
on the line, it makes a it makes make me
a fight a lot easier, right, Like whether it's because
you can force a purse bid for it or because
guys are more likely to take on tough challenges with
(41:56):
a world title on the line. I would just love
to see Canelo after the fight against Munia say you
know what, I'm gonna keep the Ring Magazine belts. I'm
the Ring Magazine one hundred and sixty eight pound champion.
I don't got to pay a sanctioning fee for that.
So instead of giving up like a million five or
whatever it is he's got to pay for those belts,
why don't you just have one belt and you'll still
(42:17):
be considered the king of the one sixty eight pound division.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Well, I mean, in order to be the king, you
have to have the crown, the robe, and the chair,
you know, those are those are his.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
He has that. He doesn't need the belts anymore.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
He needs the belts. It's him and it's the fact
that I'm the champion of the world, you know, and
there happens to beat so many belts, and I own
all of them. I'm the man you gotta pay for.
He's making fifty million. He can pay a little bit
of money. I mean, you need the belts in order
to show your your regality. Without the word regality, not really,
but regal regalness.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
De Floyd may wouldn't need the belts. I don't remember
what belts Floyd held in his career. He was never
the undisputed champion.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
No, he was never the undisputed champion. But he always
held multis held belt, fought victor, he brought them, and
he always brought him to the ring everyone carrying them.
So he carried he carried that undisputed image and he
sold himself. Well, Canelo doesn't have Mayweather's uh talk talking abilities,
(43:15):
but you know he he he handles his business in
the ring and he has a hardware to prove it.
So that's all that matters. Man.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Can you try not to die in Vegas on Friday?
You know, as you try to catch up when we
get there, what do we land like? Eight o'clock like?
Speaker 4 (43:31):
Can you try not to I'm responsible, I'm responsible with
my my drunkenness. And by and by the way, and
by the way, I'm reading those Tevski on the flight
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Chris Mannix. All right, So on a scale of one
to ten, one being miserable, ten being super happy, how
happy are you to be sitting here in Los Angeles
right now and not in Las Vegas?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Miserable? I can't wait to get in a flight. I
can't wait to get the Vegas Baby, Vegas.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Sergio Mora is here.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
By the way, I'm interrupting.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Can I do my intro?
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Can I interrupt you please? You just did so when
you introduced me. I would I want your editors to
put some triumphant music for my entrance, like trumpets blaring
like a king is entering.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Okay, how we'll do it there. Sergio Morara is here,
former junior middle champion to own broadcaster, contender winner, Vegas legend.
(03:05):
You do do pretty well in Vegas. I don't know how.
I don't know how you blamed. You claim to have
a system. You explain your system to me last time
we were in Vegas, which is effectively play red during
the day in black at night, which is not a system.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
No, no, something like that. Dostoyevsky. I Dostoyevsky mad rushing
the gambler. Read that book and I'll give you the
roulette strategy.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
All right. The great Dustoyevsky is giving Sergio gambling advice
in Vegas. I love that we will be in Vegas
later on. Today we're in Los Angeles because we will
be at the Devin Haney Ryan Garcia workout, or actually
Devin Haney workout in Los Angeles a little bit later
in the day on Friday. It's funny, sergery. I was
just thinking, like a month ago, if you had asked
(03:47):
me the percentage chance that the Devin Haney Ryan Garcia
fight was going to happen, I would have said like
thirty thirty five percent. But here we are, like two
weeks out and it seems like this fight is take
place at the Barclays Center on April twentieth. Are you
surprised that that we're here, that that this fight's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
No, I'm not surprised because there's a lot of money
on the line, a lot of money on the line.
You know, two huge promoters are on board, networks are
on board. So when there's that much, you know, to
writing on it, you can't just risk it on a
couple of concerning tweets on Ryan Garcia's part, because other
(04:27):
than that, he looks in good shape.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
He he It's more though than a couple of concerning tweets, though, Like, okay, okay,
but you're not going to cancel a fight on tweets.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
What else has he done? Has he broken the law?
Has he done broken? I mean there's been boxers that
have actually broken the law and still fought you many
many of them basketball players too, by the way, So yeah,
this is a fighter that's you know, deep into his spirituality, religion,
predicting like he's an Austrodamis. By the way, there was
(04:58):
an earthquake today in New York. I think Ryan Garcia
predicted it. Either way, that's not concerning enough for them
to cancel the fight. It's a mega event. The kid
sells and it's gonna do well.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It is gonna do well. I am, though, surprised that
we're here because it's not just him thrown out a
couple of tweets. I mean, this was to the point
where the New York State Athletic Commission, according to Ryan Garcia,
was asking for a mental competency tests. So you know,
if they were asking for a mental competency test, they
were legitimate concerns. But here we are two weeks out.
Ryan Garcia says he's ready, Devin Haney says he's ready.
(05:30):
So we are going to get that fight on April twenty.
Before we talk about the fight card, we have this
weekend I want to get your take on one of
the controversies of last weekend. Last weekend, we had Sebastia
Vandora upsetting Tim Zu to win the unified one hundred
and fifty four pound title. The controversy in that fight
is that in the second round, due to an accidental
clash of heads and elbows, tim Zu suffered a nasty
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cut on the top of his head, a cut that
bled for the rest of the fight. Clearly chained the
outcome of that fight. Timsu was dominating the first two
rounds of that fight, wound up losing a split decision
after that. The question I have for you, as a
former fighter is should the corner of Tim Zu have
stopped that fight? If they had stopped that fight after
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the third round, it would have gone to a no contest,
which would have been a disappointing outcome, but it wouldn't
have put their fighter at risk of exactly what happened.
So I've heard ex fighters like Tim Bradley criticize the
corner of Tim Zuo. I have criticized the corner of
Tim Zuo. What do you say about whether or not
the corner should have stopped that fight?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Former champion to you, Chris Mannix, don't be relegating my.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Tim Bradley's also a former champion, so let's.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah, it's that former fighter, all right, so check yourself.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Get to the point.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yes, I would be furious if I was Tim Zoo
because he did the brave thing. You know. He took
a fight where nobody, nobody in the right mind would
have went from fighting an older former champion and Keith
Thurman to a six foot seven South Paul with a
nine inch reach advantage and nine inches in height. Who
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does that get? You get a good fighter with a
respectable name, a top contender to save the date. I
get it. It happens all the time. He still probably would
have looked bad, but he wouldn't have got an elbow
on the top of the head by a fighter that's
nine inches taller and a south Paul. I mean everything.
If you can design the perfect nightmare opponent, it's Sebastian's Fandora,
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and Tim Zu decided to take on that nightmare in
eleven days. Notice that shows you the kind of fighter
throwback mentality that Timzu is. But it's also stupid, and
I'm going to say it right now because now he's
not a champion, and now we got a new unified champion.
That's where calculated risks and matchmaking and saying no to
your team and to the network and to whoever else
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is in charge. No, it's a very important word. I've
said it many times my career, and I've been almost
black balled by promoters and networks. But no, it's very important.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
Man.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
You gotta tell your kids, no, you gotta tell your
trainer no. You gotta tell everybody around you know. This
is your life, your career, and you only have one
of it. Look at Tim Zoo right now. Would have
been a world champion. He would have been in line
to fighting one of the big dogs that won fifty
four millions on the line. Now he took two or
three steps back and has to heal from a nasty cut,
and he's not the champion anymore. This is a huge
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misstep on Tim Zoo's part and team and his corner
for not stopping that fight. It should have been a
no no contest after that cut in the second round.
They should have let the referee know, hey, listen, too
much blood is pouring into the fighter's face. It's getting
the way of the vision which it did. It's not
a lie. There's been fights stopped for way lesser injuries,
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way lesser cuts. This is a world championship fight. You
needed to do the right thing. That corner messed up,
and Tim Zuo should be furious, furious at his team
and his trainer are not calling him out on that
because now he's not the champ. Now he takes a
back seat and it's going to be a long time
til he gets that chance again.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I understood letting him go out there after the second round,
just see if you could do it over one round,
but he lost that third round, and after that third
round seeing the cut just poor blood, you know, over
the course of that round, I mean both those guys
were just yeah, after one round of bleeding, they were
both crimson right, Like the corner should have recognized that
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this cut wasn't going to get better and that it
was going to cause Tim Zoo to have to fight differently.
It was going to negatively affect him. So they opened
the door for Sebastian Door to take advantage, and he
did do his credit, like, he threw a lot more
jabs then we've seen fun Door throw. But I think
Tim Zoo's Corner deserves the criticism that they're getting because
of this. They they dropped the ball here, and I
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think other trainers, maybe even your trainer, other more experienced tramping.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
It's happened to me too, by the way, in that
Manfredi rematch, I got two cuts in both of my
eyes the second rounds and I was bleeding profusely. That
was only a eight round fight, and my trainer didn't
stop that fight either, and I barely squeaked out a
split decision. But if I would have lost, I would
have probably been mad at my trainer for not stopping
that fight. So everything is hindsight twenty twenty looking backwards.
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But they they meaning the corner, Zoo Corner needed to
protect their champion. There's not a fighter, there's not a
contender that was a champion in line to make millions
of dollars to be an international star, not only in
Australia but all over. I mean, he has that legacy
of a last name with a great costa zoos. So
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this was a huge misstep and I think tim Zu
should be furious because it's going to take a long
time for him to climb back up to championship status
and win another championship.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So there are ripple effects to the Fundora win. And
it begins with the fact that Sebastian Wandor is not
gonna be ready to fight, probably till November December. He
is suspended by the Nevada Commission, has a broken nose,
and some of the reports indicate that Fondora won't even
start training again until late September. So that puts a
lot of pieces back on the board. You've got Terrence Crawford,
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who is the mandatory for the WBO version of Fondora's titles,
and I want to go there, Sergio, because we have
not seen Terrence Crawford in the ring since July of
last year. He's been waiting for a big opportunity. Chase
Canelo Alvarez around for a little bit that didn't work out.
Sure doesn't sound like Jamel Charlow is going to work out.
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Crawford was certainly hoping for the opportunity to fight Fondora
for two belts at one fifty four. But now that
opportunity is gone, at least until December. What does Terrence
Crawford do in a situation like this? Does he wait
for Sebastian Fondora to heal and potentially be out for
eighteen months, or is there another opponent out there that
makes sense for Terrence Crawford.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
No, you know, whenever you're one of the best fighters
in the world, like Bud Crawford is coming off one
of the biggest most anticipated fights in UH of the
of the year, of the last twenty years in Aero Spence,
He's allowed to have a give me fight, And by
gimme doesn't mean it's gonna be an easy fight, just
it's not gonna be a star mega fight pay per view.
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So I think that's what Terns Crawford should do.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
You know there wants to get paid.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
I understand that, but he's thirty six years old and
time is not on his side.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So you can't have both.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
You can't have a gimme and get paid exactly. So
he has to actually accept that. So by gimme doesn't
mean a tomato can. It's still going to be a
tough fight. I'm thinking more, you know, like a top
contender that's already lost, an Alexis roacha type ROACHA was
in line. You know, he won his last fight. He's
active that.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I think that fight zero dollars an Alexis Roach, but
that's zero.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
That's a fight that can make that can make sense.
It's a it's a mandatory, or you can go anymore
but it was and or you can go to the
opposite side of it that beat the guy that just
beat Roach A santi On that that that will actually
be very interesting. I would love to see Bud Crawford
and Giovanni Santian for the boxing fans. That would be
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a really exciting fight considering what Santian to Rocha. It'll
be a respectable, stay busy fight, and it's a fight
that Bud can not only win but shut a lot
of people up and taking a tough mandatory against an
undefeated fighter.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Y Santion, Well, Santion's got to fight scheduled now for
May teeth. It's gonna fight Brian Norman in kind of
a homecoming fight for santi On.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But if Bud Crawford winks his way, you can bet
probably can't.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I would think that, but I don't think Bud Crawford
wants to fight like that. It's not a pay per
view fight, and if it's not a pay per view fight,
you can't get the kind of dollars that he has
been insisting that he gets to get back into the ring.
I think the opposite SURGEO. I think if you're Bud Crawford,
you want big fights him here on out, the biggest
fight at Welter White's Boots and Us. We both agree
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on that, like Boots is out there, he is you know,
he had already has one of the belts that Bud relinquished,
the IVF.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
That's not a popular fight though for the paper. But
that's not gonna be the dollars fight that you're talking about.
The pay per view numbers. Boots doesn't bring that.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
There is no pay per view fight for Terrence.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Roll you go, so then why are you going to
take on a beast like Boots when you don't happen.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
No, Look, you can make Boots Senis versus Crawford on
pay per view. It doesn't does do particularly well, but
you can do. You can make more money fighting Bootsennis
than you will fight, Yes, significantly more. You definitely can
do that. The question but Crawford does not seem at
all motivated to fight Boots Ennis now or any time,
and that's not a It's not unusual, like older champions
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don't generally fight younger champions. That's sort of how it
goes in boxing in any way class. So if he
doesn't want to fight Boots Ennis and these lesser tier
fights that you're talking about are understood, I don't know
what it is. I don't know what the fight is. Like,
do you wait for Tim Zue to heal up the
summer and do that fight with him anyway? Like you know,
you kind of sell it like this guy was going
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to win before this whole thing happened with Fondora. Do
you look at another title holder at one fifty four?
I mean, I think Crawford right now is in a
very difficult position because there isn't a money fight out
there for him, even Jermeal Charlo right now, Sergio, Like,
that's not a money fight anymore. The way Jermeal Charlo
fought against Canelo Alvarez, that is not that that diminished
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Dremmel in probably the worst possible way. So I guess
my answer is I don't know, man, Like, I just
don't know what the solution. If he's not going to
fight Boots, he might be out of the ring for
quite some time.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I just told you the solution, and you're not listening solutions.
Bad No, because I've been inactive. I'm the king of inactivity.
And I could tell you if I was in a
Bud Craft, I was in a Bud Crawford level, the Triumphant,
the trip.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, bring back the trumpets, the king of inactive.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
But I am, though, and I could tell you if
I could, if I could take it back, I would
take a stay busy fight against the fighter that's not
gonna give me my minimum, and I had a high
minimum at that at that point, I would budet has
gotta be like four million, I get it, but you
got to take half that so you can get a
two million fight fighting a.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Stay busy bed For that, I just don't.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Well, he's gonna have to thirty six years old man,
because you know, time's down on his side, and as
as talented as he is and pound for punk, great,
Hall of Future, Hall of Famer, he needs to have
one of these stay busy fights. Every graat has done it,
every great I mean, Canelo Alvare has fought uh Abney
your yildrum in between fights.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
That was a little bit different. That was I'm fighting
because Canella fought in December February then may like those
were that was a six month stretch or a five
month stretch refought three.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Anthony Joshua has fought Kubrito living between you know. So
that's on the comeback trail though, And I could keep
going here, all right, Every champion has these guys that
stay busy fights. They're respectable.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
You take state. If you to take a stay busy fight,
you take it in December of last year, like six
months after your win December January. Don't take it a
year later like that doesn't make a lot of sense
to me.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
You are asking me, the former champion of the questions.
I am responding your answer. You don't like and you
don't like my responses, then why don't you Why don't
you have the Chris Mannis Podcast with my guests Chris
Mannix every week we'll see how I mean listeners.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Are there does excellent numbers.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Santiano Roacha makes all the sense.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
That doesn't make any sense right now, Roaches on the
comeback trail. Santian under put.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Fight in Texas, California, Nevada or Arizona. It'll fill the house,
it will do well.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Look if he's willing to take two million bucks, three
million bucks probably, Yeah, I can see that, but I
just don't think buds look at it took to take that.
I mean, he made what the eight figures that fight
against Daryl Spence.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
He's not gonna make eight figures or four figures in
his next fight. He's not gonna make that.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
On that, I think we agree. I want to get
your take on David Benavitez, who has been out there
recently kind of pushing back on the narrative that Canelo
Alvarez has been floating it doesn't really need David Benavitez,
that David Benavitez doesn't bring a whole lot to the table,
that he would only fight him for one hundred and
fifty million dollars. Benevetez has said something to the Canelo
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needs to start showing him David Benavidez some respect. Do
you do you buy that? Do you think Canelo has
been disrespectful of David Benavidez.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Canelo is one of the most classiest, respectful champions in boxing.
I'm a big fan of David Benavidez, but I have
no clue what he's talking about there. Uh, there's a
lot of dangerous up and coming undefeated champions that don't
get the recognition by the guys that have been on
top for a long time. And that's just the way
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things goes, not just in boxing, in every form, in
any career, you gotta pay your dues. Cannelo has paid
his dues in this game since he was fifteen years old.
He got to where he is doing it the old
fashioned way, you know, blue collared way, bleeding for it.
Now he's the head honcho in charge. He's the pound
for pound king. He demands where he fights, he goes
wherever you go. He goes wherever he wants, and wherever
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he roams is where people follow. David Benavidez wants that status.
He will probably one day get that status, but he
can't say it's disrespectful for a king to not look
your way. That king earned his right. He's allowed to
walk in the manner he wants, and David Benavitez needs
to understand that he needs to keep knocking out guys
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the way he's doing it, like he did against Android
and beating down Caleb Plant and all these other fighters
that they put in front of him. Dude, he's doing
just that. He will be the next star. He's in
line to be the Mexican monster in pay per view star.
I guarantee you he has the look, the backing, the following,
the style, and the knockout power. This this man will
be a star. But don't expect to, you know, get
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some of that glimmer of Canelo's star and call it
that he's disrespecting or hating. No, that man is just doing.
He paved his own way and he calls his own shots.
David Benavidez needs to understand that and respect that himself.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Everything Canelo Alvarez is doing is straight out of the
Floyd Mayweather playbook. It's exactly what Floyd did. Floyd made
his bones as pretty boy over the years, right, he
effectively became a Hall of Fame fighter as pretty boy.
Floyd a multi division world champion, fought some of the
best at one thirty, one, thirty five, one forty seven,
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one fifty four when he beat Oscar de la Hoya
back in two thousand and seven, and after that he
started looking for highest risk and lowest reward. That's what
he did, and I think that's what we're seeing now
with Canelo al forres Floyd Mayweather for really five years
put off the Manipakia fight. He didn't want anything to
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do with Manipacia for five years until that fight was
so big that the money for it was so enormous
that Floyd agreed to get in the ring with him.
That is exactly what Canelo was doing there. He's not
being subtle about it. He's saying, I'll fight the guy.
Give me one hundred and fifty million dollars. Now. I
don't think someone's gonna runt a check for aront of
and fifty million. But if David Benavidez beats Vostik in June,
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and then let's say, athetically, in November December, he beats
the winner of Better BV and Bevo, which I think
he can like. I don't think it's an easy fight,
but I think it's a winnable fight for David Benavidez.
How much bigger is Canelo Benavitez this time next year
that it is right now? I mean, right now, Canello
could probably make forty to fifty to fifty five million
dollars to fight Benavitez. If David Benavidez is the undisputed
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light heavyweight champion this time next year. The fight with
Canelo is massive, maybe so big that the Saudis turnaround
and write a check, But it's certainly big enough to
put that fight in a Legion Stadium in Vegas, to
do a pay per view that will go well over
a million buys. Like I just think Canello is doing
what Floyd did brilliantly. He is being a businessman first,
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and it makes much better business sense to fight David
Benavitez next year than it does right now.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I thought you were gonna quote jay Z right there
and give me a jay Z line. I'm not a
business man. I'm a business man. Let Canelo handle his business,
damn or Chingao, But no, I agree with you. Can
you imagine? Can you imagine that fight at Raiders Stadium
in Las Vegas on Single the Mile weekend or September
Mexican Independence Day between Canello and Benavitez. It doesn't get bigger.
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That's as big as it gets in pay per view numbers,
in the casual fan and the hardcore boxing fan. I
would I'm salivating right now, Mannix, give me a napkin.
That fight right there is a historic fight, and I
already told you I think wins that fight. I think
a lot of people will favor Benavide's to win that round.
But can you imagine finally seeing Canelo on the back foot,
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you know, hurt or bleeding or dropped or have to
come adversity like a lot of great fighters have to
do it. In order for Canelo to win that fight,
we're gonna have to see him come back through adversity
like the old greats have, the Ali, the Lennards, the Durans.
Canelo will have to prove that against Benavitez, a younger, stronger, faster, taller,
longer reach champion. That will be beautiful to watch. And
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I hope and wish and pray that it happens, and
it happens on this side of the pond or the
Atlantic Ocean.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yes, that can be called the pond. And think about
the finances of it too, Like I have been told
that Canelo can earn in the neighborhood of forty five
million dollars for fighting Jimi Moongia. So let's say that
the stuff Samson Lukawitz is throwing out there is true.
That they're offering Canelo fifty five million dollars to fight
him to Canelo Alvarez, ten million dollars isn't all that much, right, Like,
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if you can fight Jimemongia in a fight that you
are going to be three to one four to one
favorite in and make forty five million dollars, why would
you fight a much tougher fight against David Benavitez just
to make fifty five million dollars. I think this is
all about business. I just think it's all about how
much money Canelo can get someone, whether it's a network
a foreign government to pay him to fight David Benavitez.
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Because Canello was right there watching Floyd Mayweather do his thing.
When Floyd put off and put off and put off
the Pakia fight, how many people were killing Floyd. I
was one of them, kill Floyd for years for not
fighting Many Pakia when he was right there in his
weight class. But Floyd was right, he was right.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
He put it off, and then he walked away with
like three hundred million dollars or whatever it was to
fight Many Pakia at that time. That is exactly what
Canelo was trying to do.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
And then he made one hundred million plus to fight
an MMA fighter and Jonoor McGregor, that popularity and having
that type of success, you know, yeah, I mean you
can only you can harp on a fighter or an
athlete all you want, but you haven't seen the vision yet.
You haven't seen it all the way to the end.
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Most of the time there's mistakes, but sometimes like Mayweather,
like Cannelo and certain grades, they get it right and
history has to respect that. Whether you like it or not,
you have to respect it. And it's all about are
they Hall of Fame fighters absolutely yes? Are they making
a killing in money yes, generational money yes? And in
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the end, it was a beautifully beautiful career that they
had inside the ring and outside the ring as businessmen,
and they're ever able to carry it on to the end.
Anthony Joshua was another one. There's so many of them,
and it's rare that you get to see boxers at
that side of the spectrum. Normally we see the opposite
of that, you know, broke, you know, drooling, can't spell
their names, you know, punch drunk, lost everything, and we
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love to see sometimes a successful ending to that bad tale.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
It's a mistake to do this for every fight, because
a lot of fights don't happen because this, and frankly
the Pacquiao May with A fight almost didn't happen because
Pakia lost to Marquez during all that. But sometimes it does.
And I think the case of Canelo Benavidez, with Canelo,
you know, likely to win on May fourth. If he
fights in September, he's probably gonna fight someone else he's
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likely to beat. Benefide is probably gonna have the toughest
test in front of him. He finds winds up fighting
the winner of better BV versus b UH, he could lose.
But if he wins Monster Fight Vegas, Allegiant Stadium, massive
pay per view, nine figures on the table potentially for
both those times.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
It does not get bigger both of them. Both of
them will sell, they'll break records pay per view.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I agree. All right, We're gonna be in Vegas on
Saturday the new Fountain Blue Hotel. Sergio have not seen it,
supposedly really nice, brand new just opened, and they will
be having a boxing event there. Richardson Hitchins headlining that
show against Gustavo Leamos. Hitchins, to me, is already one
of the best pure boxers in the sport, like his
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talent is legit. He is a big, tall, rangey one
hundred and forty pounder. He has an incredible jab, he
is accurate with his power shots. What he has been
missing up until this point is a little bit of
that killer instinct, a little bit of that finisher in him.
Like you look at his last fight against Jose's Apeida,
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a comprehensive, one sided beating, near shutout against Thepeida. But
at the end of that fight, and you were there
in Orlando with me, I remember seeing a wounded Zapeta
in front of Hitchins over the last few rounds, and
Hitchin's not really doing anything to press the action and
go for the stoppage. And that's been kind of a
theme over the course of his career. As much talent
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as anyone in boxing, but doesn't go for stoppages. So
my question for you is going up against the fighter
like Lamos, someone that is undefeated but largely untested, who
is aggressive fighter who's probably gonna try to beat Hitchin's
face all night, does he need to do more than
just win this fight on Noday?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
No, I don't. I don't know how many times do
I don't know how many times I need to repeat
and remind you that boxing is all about winning, winning, winning,
winning winning. Richardson Hitchins knows this. He doesn't care about
critics like you or anyone else writing bad about him,
because as long as he keeps winning and maintaining that zero,
he's bound to cash in that zero for a check
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full of zeros. Okay, So I'm telling you right now,
richards And Hitchins doesn't need to look for the knockout
or take chances as long as he keeps winning. And
the thing about having that much talent is that you
can keep fighting after that because you're not getting touch,
you're not getting hit, you're not getting cut, you're not
getting injured, so you can keep you can keep, you know,
climbing the ranks the safe way, the smart way, that
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calculated way, instead of getting into wars. Now you're saying
take a risk, like in the paid to fight, the
paid is hard to knock out and he's a big puncher.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
That maybe wrong time to say the paid is hard
to knock out since he's a flattened by Dalton Smith
in his last.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
He's a big puncher and it was before that Dalton
Smith fight. But he's a big puncher, he's a solid
fight before and and he dominated. Hitchins dominated that fight.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
How many more examples do you know? This guy getting
knocked out? He's not He apparently is not that hard
to knock.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Out pro grade. It took him what eleven rounds whatever
it was. Hitchins is not there yet, and he's not
in the championship level. So let him cross the finish
line and start, you know, becoming. Let him become a champion,
started getting that championship money. Then maybe he could start
taking chances if he wants to become a pay per
view fighter one day and get the big fights, because then, yes,
once you're a champion, you have to take it to
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another gear if you want the bigger names, because then
you're gonna be, you know, one of these fighters like
Demetrius Andred that was a champion for who knows how long,
and no one would look his way because he wasn't
going for not that.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
A great example you are making my argument for me.
Dimitrius Andreid. All he did was win and it wasn't
until last year, at age what thirty four that he
fought his first former world chance.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
He made up boatload of money fight these fighters that
no one's heard of.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
It, and he got lucky to an extent because he
got early money from Eddie Hearn. Eddie Hearn signed with
his OA.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
That was as much about you heard what Richard Hitchins
said yesterday at the press conference, straight to Eddie's face. Man,
this is free money. I feel like I'm picking your
That was great by Hitchin saying he thinks it's gonna
be easy Money's lemmos his easy money, and he's looking
at it like, hey man, I'm robbing the bank. I
won't be surprised if Hitchins comes out in a ski mask,
just like Mayweather did for PoCA and McGregor. This is
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a heist. Stick him up, man, stick them up, because
I think Hitchins is on the right path and he's
doing it the right thing.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yes, but Andreid could not get a top level opponent
in with him because top level opponents didn't see a
lot of upside there. They didn't see pay per view
upside there, they didn't see dollar figures when they fought
Demetrius andre They saw a slick southpaw that wasn't willing
to engage for much of the fight. And that's the
problem that Richdon Hitchins could run into over the next
(30:42):
couple of years.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Why is it hitchins fault that he looks that he
isn't doesn't take chance. Why is it the opponents they're
they're the ones that need to take break that jab,
break that distance.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Break that He's got a very good job. It's extreme credit.
Nobody is telling him. Nobody's suggesting that Richards and Hitchens
should be Arturogotti. Nobody is saying that. It's more about Hey,
when you got a guy that is defeated and you know,
not that you know this part of it, but like
a guy like Zipida had to know, like going to
the tenth round that he was down nine zip that's
(31:15):
got to be deflating. He got hurt several times in
the tenth and eleventh rounds. If you see a hurt
fighter like that, don't go for the one punch knockout,
but swarm him, throw a bunch of punches, score a
knockout that way. I need to see that for a
rich hitch Because you know what, Sergio, it isn't just
about winning. Boxing is a television show. And if nobody
(31:36):
watches a television show. The television show gets canceled. If
nobody's watching you box, or nobody's buying tickets for you
to box, to watch you box, then you are not
going to be on television and you are not going
to be headlining made events.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
You weren't.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
And you, by the way, you didn't have great power,
but you understood what it meant to be on television
even in the ring. Lick the blood off your glove,
a little theatrical out there. You know, you knew what
it took to be television friendly. That's all I want
from Hitchens. Be a little more television friendly as he's
winning these fights.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
All right, I'll give you that. Yeah, I didn't have
the power of the knockout the knockouts, but I had
television success with the reality show, and I had a
little you know, Latin snake come out of me.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
You know.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Mark Burnett on The Contender urged me to do more
of that.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Says, ye know, I like it when you do that
bravado you stick out chess.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
What accent are you doing right now?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
It's a British accent.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
I need more of that, the bravado that to pounds
your chest and the more machismo. It's good television. And
I always remember that from Mark Burnett, and I carried
that on the rest of my career. And I also
remember watching guys at Roberto Duran. You know you'll do
that stance after every round, and yeah, that's when a
little bit of a showmanship come in and and and
(32:52):
you can't plan that, it just comes out with Hitchens.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
That's his character.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Man.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
He's been so successful doing this as an Olympian, as
an undefeated professional, beating former champions, beating contenders, and he's
making the money he's always dreamed of making now and
they're and they're keeping him busy. So if he can
keep dominating on one of the best jabs in boxing,
which is Hitchin's jab now and being disciplined and responsible
(33:18):
and not getting hit, not getting cut, he's gonna walk
over these for guys like Lambo's and Zepaida and all
these other fighters. Let him get to the big fights now.
If he gets to the big names, and mind you,
it's a loaded division, so the big names not only
gonna bring the big money, but they're gonna bring the
big danger, and come, big danger jab is not gonna
be enough. So Hitchins is gonna have to show more
in those fights against Teo Femo, against Tank, against every Matias,
(33:43):
against everybody. At one forty, it's gonna remind me of
ray Ford. Manics. Remember what you and Grisham used to
say about ray Ford. Ah, Now he needs to show
us more. He's not gonna do this, not gonna do
that he does to knock guys out. Mattroom is not
gonna give him opportunities. Guess what that's Matt Rooms us
champion And how did he become champion by taking a
(34:03):
big opportunity And he didn't get the knockout. Ray Ford
didn't get the knockouts up to that, up to that fight.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
He got the knockout in that fight though, Yeah, but
look at what he had to go through. Yeah, and
everybody's talking about ray Ford in the aftermath of that.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
That was a big moment for Okay, can you put
it on record that you were one of his biggest
critics about not going.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Because I was in Phoenix with you. Yes, I'm saying
it was.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
One of his proponents vouching for him. Me because I
know talent Mannix and I know that hitching.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Okay, but don't don't rewrite history here because we were
both in Phoenix in that Bizarro Danny Jacobs Julio Caesar
Shavez fight on that card was ray Ford against Edward
Vasquez and he lost that fight, but he got a
gift decision by the judges. That's why I started to
turn down on ray Ford to raise credit. He made
some changes to his team. He's worked a lot harder
(34:49):
and in that fight against was Autoback. I'm gonna butchers
last name, so I'm not gonna say it. In that fight,
the boxing wasn't working, so he took the fight the
guy and then wound up knocking him out with the
spectacular finish at the end of the twelfth round. He
took the fight to him. Now, I want to see
more of that from Hitches. You got a hurt fighter
in front of you. Think you think ray Ford planned that.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
No, it was his opponent's aggression, and it was the
fact that it was a close fight, and it was
another fact that a lot of people choose yeah, the
other guy to win that fight. Ray Ford is a
special talent, just like Hitchins. Hitchens is a special talent.
They have an above normal, above average, extraordinary fight IQ
(35:33):
and it starts with that, and then it trickles down
to discipline and they don't go out a character, and
then it goes to the attribute to speed, and then
it goes to the amateur background, and then it gets
into toughness and power and matchmaking and promoting and all that.
But they they have been so successful not getting out
of character that they're not going to change that. And
(35:54):
that's a discipline that not many have, and I think
they should keep doing that until they get the championship
level fights, they get to a world title, then they
can have more more more options on their table, maybe
take more chances.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Fortunately four hitchins and against the guy like Lamos, he's
gonna have a guy right in his face all night long,
and if he wins, he's probably gonna become the mandatory
for super Real Matias's IBF title, which is another fighter
that's gonna be right there engaging with him, So he's
gonna have to show his stuff in those particular fights.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
All right.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Last thing, also on this card is Diego Pacheco, who
you and I both love like one of the best
prospects in boxing. Twenty three years old, top five ranked
by three of the four sanctioning bodies. He's got to
fight coming up on this week and against Sean McCallum
or Mcalum. I'm gonna say that name one more time.
He's got to fight coming up this weekend. You know,
(36:49):
Pacheco is right there on the doorstep of a world
title shot. Last year he knocked out Marcello Cosras. That
was a gatekeeper type of win, biggest win in terms
of names of Pacheco's career. My question for you is,
is this the year that you think Diego Pacheco is
ready for that world title shot?
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Mckelman and you're thinking of Calum a twelve year old
Scotch McKellen or something.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
McCallum the body stature. No.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
To answer your question, I think yes, but he's not
gonna get Canelo. Canelo has all the belts, so he's
not going to get that fight unless he beats up Berlanga.
So I think if it's an undisputed eliminator to face
the King and that's Canelo, Berlanga has to fight a
fighter like Pacheco or you know, maybe someone along that line.
(37:42):
But look, they talk about Berlanga fighting Canelo, and I
think Pacheco doesn't deserve Canelo, and neither does Berlanga. But
if they fight each other, then maybe then maybe they
deserve a crack at the king. Okay, So then to
answer your question, no, he's not gonna get that fight
because he's not ready. He hasn't evolved enough, he hasn't
won a world championship. Yes he's the goods, and yes
they are moving him brilliantly because I'm not. I wasn't
(38:05):
a fan of Diego Pacheco's first two fights, Chris Mannis
we called. We've called all his fights.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
And so you were right about ray Ford and wrong
about Diaco Pacheco.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
I never said he wasn't gonna be championship, but I didn't.
I didn't think much of him. And and now my
my change, my my my opinion. Just like his style
has evolved. This guy is a monster man. I won
sixty eight, but he unfortunately he's in a division where
there's only one king. I want to dispute a king,
and that's Canelo. And Canelo's not gonna fight. He's not
(38:35):
gonna look backwards and fighting up and comer and Pachecko.
So unless those belts get available, then maybe he can
fight someone else. Maybe he can fight Munguia after Canelo
fights him, Maybe he can fight someone else. If it's
not Berlanga, Berlangan, Berlanga needs to step up too. By
the way, let's not just stay check.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
When I think he is going to stay on ice
until Canelo decides.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
What he was, he ain't getting that fight. Berlanga's not
getting that fight shocked. If he does, I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna keep question Conor here. Keith Conley gets
the job done. I give him credit.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Don't give Key Conley props in the show we don't do.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Devin Chenko made a killing thanks to Keith Connley, so
I gotta give him cit.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Derevin Chenko has made some good money. Maybe that's the
guy for him, Serga derrevin Chenko a one hundred and
sixty eight pounds. Derevin Chenko would probably take a fight
like that. But I think a better fight and a
main event type of fight is Bekdimir Melikuziev.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Here you go with Cheko, Here you go man.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Against be Beck. You go From what I'm told Beck
is going to be on this April twentieth card, I
think so he's gonna fight a couple of weeks after
Diego Pacheco, so the timing kind of lines up. We
know that Bechdimir will fight anybody's He's always proven that.
Put Cheko Melikuziev too, top ten ranked one hundred and
(39:47):
sixty eight pounders. Sign me up for that because that
is an offensive. Uh, just a display from both those guys.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
I still would want a more popular name, but yeah,
a fight friendly fight.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
You can't name him popul Then there's nobody like realistic,
like Caleb Plant is.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Not taking you know, I'm thinking about those lines.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
There are two guys I jump off the page right.
One is Melakuziv because he's kind of known in the US,
partly for wrong reasons. He got knocked out by Gaberzatto,
but he's a known commodity, gonna get good exposure on
this Garcia Haini card. The other guy that jumped to
mind was Eric Bazinian, who a lot of people don't know,
but he's also highly ranked by all.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
The section of melakuz makes more sense.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Okay, Bazinians fight next week too, So you got another
guy that's kind of right there timing wise. So what
I think for Pacheco this year, whether it's summer, early fall,
give him a top ten, top five rated super middleweight
that's available to me. That's Melakuziev and that's Eric Pazinian.
Those are two guys I think that would make a
lot of sense.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I think they're moving them right, just like ray Ford.
You gotta be patient. He's gonna get his time time.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
In fourth though, it took a fight that nobody really wanted,
like was gonna have to do that to them?
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Kind of?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I mean, Melakuzia is kind of it, like that's there.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
You go, well, maybe it's gonna be one of those
type fights where where it's the risk outweighs of a reward.
But if he passes that test, then you know, he
gets the title shot. And I think Pacheck was gonna
He's already evolved into something that I didn't think he
can be. And this kid is the truth. He is
the truth. He's a power puncher, he's tall, he's lanky,
he's he's somewhat of a of a Kelly Pablock type
and and and he does it with more. Yeah. Man,
(41:22):
this kid's a beast. I love watching him and his
last fight, you know, and not only did he get
the knockout, but he packed the house and he's getting
a following, and they're moving them and promoting them, right.
I think Dereg Pacheck was a future ticket seller and
and and hands down a champion guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, the champion part. This is where I wish Canelo
would just give up the belts because kenella auers need
the belts. He's not defined by those four titles. And
you know that if you if you have a title
on the line, it makes a it makes make me
a fight a lot easier, right, Like whether it's because
you can force a purse bid for it or because
guys are more likely to take on tough challenges with
(41:56):
a world title on the line. I would just love
to see Canelo after the fight against Munia say you
know what, I'm gonna keep the Ring Magazine belts. I'm
the Ring Magazine one hundred and sixty eight pound champion.
I don't got to pay a sanctioning fee for that.
So instead of giving up like a million five or
whatever it is he's got to pay for those belts,
why don't you just have one belt and you'll still
(42:17):
be considered the king of the one sixty eight pound division.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Well, I mean, in order to be the king, you
have to have the crown, the robe, and the chair,
you know, those are those are his.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
He has that. He doesn't need the belts anymore.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
He needs the belts. It's him and it's the fact
that I'm the champion of the world, you know, and
there happens to beat so many belts, and I own
all of them. I'm the man you gotta pay for.
He's making fifty million. He can pay a little bit
of money. I mean, you need the belts in order
to show your your regality. Without the word regality, not really,
but regal regalness.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
De Floyd may wouldn't need the belts. I don't remember
what belts Floyd held in his career. He was never
the undisputed champion.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
No, he was never the undisputed champion. But he always
held multis held belt, fought victor, he brought them, and
he always brought him to the ring everyone carrying them.
So he carried he carried that undisputed image and he
sold himself. Well, Canelo doesn't have Mayweather's uh talk talking abilities,
(43:15):
but you know he he he handles his business in
the ring and he has a hardware to prove it.
So that's all that matters. Man.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Can you try not to die in Vegas on Friday?
You know, as you try to catch up when we
get there, what do we land like? Eight o'clock like?
Speaker 4 (43:31):
Can you try not to I'm responsible, I'm responsible with
my my drunkenness. And by and by the way, and
by the way, I'm reading those Tevski on the flight
over there. The Gambler, baby Bread,
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