Colin is joined by former NFL stars Leonard Fournette and Jarvis Landry, hosts of “4 and South” on the Volume.
They discuss Leonard’s experience of joining the Tom Brady led Tampa Bay Bucs and eventually winning a Super Bowl, and what happened during their bye week that fixed the offense (4:00). Jarvis looks back fondly on the Browns team he played on with Baker Mayfield that made the playoffs, and why Covid helped the team focus (9:00). They also discuss the perception that Colin didn’t like Baker Mayfield, and why Colin didn’t like Baker as a fit for the Browns (12:00).
They talk about the trend of college football running backs skipping bowl games to avoid injury and Leonard revisists his decision to sit out LSU’s bowl game during his final year of college (18:00). Jarvis explains that in his final year in the NFL his love for the game hadn’t wavered despite his role diminishing on the field (25:00).
Leonard highlights Luke Kuechly as the first player he faced that he couldn’t beat physically (29:30) and Jarvis points to Darelle Revis as the cornerback he just couldn’t shake (31:00).
Finally, Leonard remembers the biggest surprise he faced on an NFL field (33:00) and Jarvis discusses the memories he has of the different quarterbacks he played with (37:00).
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In the volume, I said, I want another and they
said the same thing. Let's do a college another college
football podcast, but it would be cool if it was
different than the ones we have, And so Jarvis Landry
and Leonard Fournett both went to LSU. They never overlapped.
(02:06):
One was the star running back, won the star receiver.
And we said, let's let's put these guys together and
let's do a test. Well, we listened for about five
minutes and we knew we had a hit, and so
I thought, I'm gonna if you haven't heard him, I'm
going to introduce you for the next thirty thirty five
minutes when you go to your NFL experience. I always
(02:30):
thought that Tampa thing was fascinating because when Brady went
to Tampa, we knew they needed a right tackle. They
drafted one, Tristan Wurse, but the defense was set. They
had good tight ends, excellent wide receivers, they needed a
quarterback Tommy, and they needed a right tackle. And then
they started adding like Gronk kind of his security blanket.
(02:54):
I mean, Tom just but he was out of his prime.
But it didn't matter. And then they brought you in
and I my take was, I didn't know you, but
I'm like, well, Brady wouldn't okay that. Arians wouldn't okay
that unless he's like he's a dog. And like when
you got the call, take me back to the Buccaneers
and you get the call, and they're kind of because
(03:14):
even when they were like five hundred with Jamos, everybody
in the league knew, I mean, Tom chose them. Everybody
knew they were like, dude, they're underachieving. They got a
lot of dudes. When you got the call to go
join Brady, tell me about that.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So, man, as you know, I got cut by Jacksonville
right two weeks later I get calls from At the time,
I was twenty six, twenty five, twenty six, still on
my prime, you know, and that's the best year is
to get us young guys, you know when we still
can get you know, you're milking a cow and you
get all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Out of them, especially running those Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Yeah, for sure, and I can.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I can almost The first person to reach out to
him was Devin White, right, I kind of mentored Devin
White at LSU. He was he was younger than me,
and I always knew Devon was going to be who
he was going to.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Be because he worked hard.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
He's always smart, you know, he's a good guy, strong
man listen, strong country guy.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
You know what I'm saying. You pick up hate for
a living.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So it's like I always seen that in him. But
I think, for me, what kind of what kind of
put it on? Put the tray on the top of
when Tom reached out to him, because me and Tom
wasn't wasn't under armor together, so we always had a relationship,
right and I called, I'm like, I'm looking at their
running back room. You know, at the time, I didn't
know who Ronald Jones was, So I come from Jacksonville
(04:33):
being a Bell Kyle, you know, and uh, I think
when he asked me to come over, He's like, man,
you could be a part of something special. I just
felt it in my I felt it in my heart,
like I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna give it
a chance. But in the beginning it didn't go as
I thought it would go. I thought I was gonna
come in take over, be the number one back, right.
I had to go through my adversity to become who
(04:56):
who I became was playoff Lenny, super Bowl Lenny, uh
and all those things. But it took a while for
me to get over that homep for being cut well.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Also think about it, Leonard is that it was a
little bit of an all star offense. Brady Brady views
the world differently than arians. Arians wants to throw it.
He's like Al Davis, like he wants to go over
the top old raider football. Tom's very much about fallout,
quick yards after cats. That's that's his doctrine. So that
(05:27):
offense you were part of was a lot. I mean, god,
you guys were seven and five through week twelve and
you got a perfect buy. But I would argue you
guys were a bit of a mess until week twenty one.
What happened in the bye week because you didn't lose
after that? What and now you got Atlanta a couple
of times, I remember, so they got you healthy. But
(05:48):
what happened in that bye week to fix the offense?
Because it was it was hot and cold to twelve
games in Tom's first year.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, man, we had a we had an all players meeting, right,
and you know, it's it's different when you come from
being the vocal points of certain offenses like I was,
right and Antonio Brown was the vocal point of his
offense and in the stillers right, and we kind of had
to have that that coming to coming to guard meeting, like,
you know, we know what we can do, our egos.
You know, there's only one ball. Everybody's not gonna be
(06:20):
able to touch the ball. So understanding is now for
us to win our egos, our attitudes and us not
not not being a part of the game plan some
games and not being like, you know, we want to score,
we want to play. We have to cut it out,
right because after that, I mean you you had games
where our number one wide receiver, Michael Evans got the
(06:43):
ball two times, three times a game and did not complain.
So I'm like, damn if I'm if I'm if I'm
complaining and he's not saying nothing. All right, Well, maybe
maybe I need to dial back a little bit and
understand this is just bigger.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
This is way bigger than me.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
It's bigger than what our, what I our want to
comment as a player, right, we have something to do
that probably nobody has ever done besides Grunk and Brady
and NBA has won a Super Bowl. And that's what
we did. We say, you know, we stuck our hat downs.
We say, you know, let's do it and be stuck
with it.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Jarvis, that was obviously the best team Leonard was ever on. Jarvis,
give me the best, And a lot of times the
best team isn't the best experience. You know, you you
can get on a team that's good and you're not
and you just don't like the guys. I mean, you
were a five time Pro Bowlers, you were obviously a
great player, you were a leader, But what was your
best year in terms of experience? It doesn't have to
(07:35):
be the most wins a cohesive unit. Jarvis, that you
just loved pro football like you loved it in high school.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yeah, I think I think I wish I had got
that call from Brady like Leonard did.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
But but but.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
I think the best team that we played on was
I have to say the Cleveland team that we went
to the playoffs with Baker in nineteen Yeah with Baker, Yeah, right,
And I think that was one of the best teams. Obviously,
it was a weird year because it was a little
bit of COVID and things like that happening going on
around around the world. Right in the NFL IS figured
some things out, but you know, I think at that
(08:09):
point in time, it really became strictly about football for
some reason, doing COVID, like it was literally home in
football home.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
There was no other distractions. There was nothing else that
can come in between.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Cleveland's boring enough at COVID.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You know, listen, Cleveland is underrated. People think Cleveland is boring.
Cleveland is very underrated.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
But but that team, that team, we just had a
lot of guys played well at the right time. You know,
we lost Odell that year to ACL, we had a
couple other guys get injured, and we had younger guys
step up.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
We had Rashaan Higgins who stepped up right.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
And if you want to say, the most most arguable
call in the last five or six years was when
he dove in for a touchdown in Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
The helmet and helmet car guy is being a.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Touch You out played the Chiefs in that game there.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
But if there's no.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Question, Colin, I am still pissed at Chad Haney. Chad
Heney came into the game. Chad Henney came into the
game after not playing I don't know, he probably didn't
play for thirty seven weeks for the last two years,
and he walked into the game. And it's a beautiful
thing about sports, and it's a beautiful thing about you know,
guys being ready when their number is called, right, But
(09:21):
I just wish it wasn't that day.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, I really wish I had that little completion off
to the right and that seal it.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
That sealed it, and to play before that it was third,
I want to say it was third and fourteen and
he ran for thirteen. And then you know, oh Andy
Reid who always has a has one in his pocket, right,
he calls a fort down beater versus man the man
getting a ball to Tyreek Hill as fast as possible,
and you know, they convert and you know it's over.
(09:49):
But that was one of the best teams that I
was that I played on, and I was very excited
the next year, even though it didn't work out. Things
didn't work out for us in Cleveland, but the next year,
I was excited because we'll be getting our pieces back
and things like that. So I was hopeful that we
can carry on to you know what we what we
put on the field last year, put on a tape
last year, you know, but it didn't work out.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
It's people think I don't like Baker Mayfield. It is
not true.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Well I've been I've been wanting to talk to you
for a long time about this.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
All right, So you started because I said before, I
thought Cleveland was a bad spot for him to land
out of college. I preferred Donald. I thought Darnald was
a bigger, stronger quarterback and a little bit more coachable.
I thought Baker throws a better football. But I thought
Cleveland's dysfunction, Cleveland's angry media, the beaten down fan base,
(10:37):
and Baker was really emotional, you know, he would fight
with the media. I thought this is not good. This is,
and eventually it wasn't. Stefanskin Berry and I think both
those guys are sharp. They moved on, but I never
hated him. I always said this with Baker. I said,
he's absolutely one of the twenty best quarterbacks on the earth.
Right now, I wouldn't make him my guy at this point.
(10:59):
Now I have all so defended him in Tampa. I'm like, guys,
sign him, re sign him. Tampa's perfect. If you pay
Baker forty million, it's like Darnold, I don't want to
pay him sixty. You pay Baker forty. Malik Willis at
twenty two is a steal. I think Malik's super talented.
But my take on Baker was he just wasn't quite
(11:20):
ready for the Cleveland experience. Hell did he gone to
the Rams and McVeigh you know who knows? But you
tell me When I was critical of Baker and he
would fire back. I mean, you were in the locker room.
Did he ever come up to you and go, hey,
don't listen to that idiot on Fox?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like I had to say that
a few times, right, But I think, what was you know,
when you were as good as Baker is right, especially
coming out of college. You know, he had all of
the intangibles right, maybe not physically, but as far as
throwing the ball and being a winner, right, And in
most cases that's what you get value that right, And
(12:01):
in Cleveland, into his defense, Cleveland have been a bad
team for a long time. Bad So that's how they
were able to get guys like myself, guys like da
Marius Randall, I think Carlos Hide at the same time.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
We all came in together, right.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
And when you're that bad, you get the first round
draft pick and you take the best player on the board.
And at the time, Cleveland felt like that was Baker,
and I think they were right about it. And we're
seeing that they were right about it. Obviously it didn't
work out there, but it should have worked out there.
Baker is a hell of a competitor. He's a great
team right. I do think if you if you think
about if I think about his trajectory, right, I do
(12:42):
think that at a time of I wouldn't say him
being so young, but I will say the maturity, the
maturity level that he is at now is not something
that he had in Cleveland. It's not something that that's
not something that any player has when they're that young, right,
and acts to take a bad organization, a bad team, right,
(13:03):
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna. I love them uh
uh d and Jimmy Haslam.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
But but but.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
To take a pro organization that has been through the
mud and do what.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
No one could do.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
They had they had thirty seven quarterbacks in five years, right,
and more credit to John Dorsey for taking a taking
a gamble and bringing guys in to help a young quarterback.
And I thought that we had a good run. We
should have had a longer run, but I thought that
we had a good run. And as far as media
and and and you and and Baker, I just never
(13:37):
understood it, right, I just never understood that.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You know, he was he was very young, and I.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Just felt like maybe he didn't know how to handle
the pressure. But also it was one of those things
where he was put in a situation and asked to
perform at a high level in which you would call
yourself a dysfunctional place.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, so for him.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
To go there and succeed will be extremely tough, right, right,
And and for anyone to be critical, I will say
he didn't listen to There was a lot of people
talking right, Oh, I know, there was only a certain
few that broke through.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
There was only a certain few that he really heard.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Right, And and and it happens to all of us.
It happens to all of us. I'm sure Linda could
attested this too. You know, in sports, you know there's
certain you know, people that report sports, and they're reported
at a high level, and they reported very well, and
they speak their truth and there and sometimes their their
truth is is something that makes it to the player,
(14:34):
It makes it to the sure and yeah, and and
those are things that we think about on the field.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Those are things that we're trying to address.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Guys, I've had I've been doing this thirty five years.
I've had media critics attack me. Most of them I
don't care. But there have been moments where a critic
has said something or a fan has said something, and
I've thought, oh, they're making a good point. That's actually
a really really good point. Like I do think, as
long as you don't get a wash in it, you
don't get it's not an avalanche, you don't bathe in it.
(15:05):
But I've had people I've had I've had years and
years ago when I used to read emails from fans
at least once a month, somebody would send one and
you'd be like, that's a really good point. You know,
I was getting repetitious or using a term or a saying,
and I'd be like, that's a great point. So you know,
and and I always said this with Baker Mayfield is
(15:31):
everybody matures at a different level, and it's it Baker.
He just but he just wasn't like Fernando Mendoza is
twenty two going on forty five years old. I mean,
he's like mister Rogers. Like by the way, Mayfield no
that there's a lot of people that believe that there
(15:52):
are players that are like Kirk Cousins. I don't think
it's ever been in trouble, Like I get it, Like
there are right, like I get it. And Baker's a
guy that can go out with the boys and you
want to get into a contest, you know, he'll go
he'll go online dancing or inline dancing, or he'll do
arm wrestling. And that's who Baker is. That's the part
(16:12):
about Baker. I always like he's one of the guys
sometimes probably too much one of the guys now now,
Leonard talking about media, was there ever a criticism because
I remember you skipped a bowl game once or a game,
and I remember going on the air and defending you
and McCaffrey. I'm like, guys, it's you are not skipping
(16:35):
the National championship. Secondly, running back's the only player in
football now that you can hit anywhere anytime, high, low knees, back,
it doesn't matter. So I'm going to defend college running
back not playing for a natty. I remember saying that
on the air. But was there ever a criticism in
your career, college or pro Leonard that stings you learn
(16:56):
from it or it pissed you off.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, I can honest say I think it was for more.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
For me, it was skipping the bowl game right, right,
because when I went to the NFL combine, right, that
was everyone's question, Right, so do you love the game?
I'm like, and my and my answer was, you know
you got to understand this, right. I still came back.
I still played injured. I suffered with a high little
angle sprain right And not to mention I could have
(17:24):
I could have set out in the beginning of the
season because I've already had gotten my grade back from
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
This was gonna be a top five pick.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
But you got to understand this, me being who I am,
you know, and wanting to win for LSU and me
being from Louisiana.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
I mean, it's nothing like it. So just going out
there and compete.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
And the thing that hurted me the most, right, I
thought I was, I thought at the time, and I
still believe that now. I made that decision based on
my family, a business career. At the time, I had
a son and a daughter, you know, so I thought
about longevity, you know, and you got to think about
the past guys who played before me. Marcus LaMarcus Latimore
(18:05):
played that South Carolina.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, he tore up his need, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So all that plays apart when you're playing the game
right that you love right and and also there's the
horse reality, like you can you can't get hurt, and
now you don't. You don't beat the top five pick
the first round of you know, you might go to
you might be a free agent, right, you know, not
get drafted. So all that was playing in my mind
(18:30):
each and every game. I'm like, all right, all right,
you playing with this little this high, little Angle Spring,
and some of my coach told me said, man, you
have done everything you wanted to do.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Just sit down. You've paid your.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Way to be an NFL star, the NFL Top five pick.
You've you've done it all. You did it all, so man,
just rest and then leave it, leave it in God's hand.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
That's what I did, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
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was outraged, Oh, he doesn't care about football. And I
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(21:06):
loved Tony's a friend and I said one time, Tony,
how many players love the game, And I mean love it?
And he said, you know, three percent? Five percent. He goes, listen,
we like the game. The game's hard.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
He goes.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
The minute I retired, I'm never lifting another weight. He's like,
I hate the weight room. Now he's in great shame,
but he so let me ask you, guys this, Jarvis.
I'll go to you on this, but go to your
last year as a pro. Jarvis, did you still love
the game?
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Absolutely love the I love the game the same way
that I loved it the first day I picked up
a football.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Now.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
The game wasn't the problem, honestly, Colin. The problem for
me was I knew too much. Like you know, someone
had already pulled the curtains back right from a political standpoint.
Right at that time in my career, I was in
New Orleans and I'm coming off of an MCLs injury.
I still finished with eight hundred yards. I think I
only played twelve games that same year Baker was heard.
(22:08):
It was our last year in Cleveland. We still figured
out a way to play, make some plays, and I
thought I still had a lot more juice left right,
And I did, and Jenner, I really did. But I
went to a team that already had their receiver in
Michael Thomas, that also had a running back in Alvin Kamarap,
(22:28):
that also had a utility player in Taysoon Hill, that
also had a first round draft pick and Chris olave right,
and I'm thinking to myself, man, I'm going join the Avengers.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Like I really felt like I thought I was going
to join the Avengers.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Right in first game of the season we played against Atlanta,
I catched seven balls for one hundred and thirty one.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yards, and then from there it was all downhill.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
And as I begin to talk and you know, to
Mickey Loomis and receiver coach Cody at the time, and
I'm trying to figure out, Hey, why am I not
getting targets anymore? Why am I not getting the ball anymore?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Right? And I realized because we weren't.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Doing well as an offense or as a team, right,
somebody has to look like this, Chris Olave pick was
the right pick.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Right. He's a first round draft pick. Right.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
He needs the ball in his hands. Not saying that
Chris is a bad football player. Chris Olave is a
damn good football player. He's a dog, right, and he
should and he deserves the ball in his hands.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Right. But at the same time, you know, we've seen
the birth of Rahishahid.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Right who who who?
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Who took off as a New Orleans Saint. Who's a
free agent, undrafted guy, you know, and now he's in Seattle.
He's been able to get paid through throughout this you know,
his career and things like that. But it wasn't to me.
I realized, it wasn't about how much you loved the game.
It wasn't about how much I showed up early. It
wasn't about how much of a leader I was, or
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a veteran I was, or how hard I worked. It
didn't translate into targets, and it wasn't translated into wins. Yeah,
and when I started asking, you know, the harder questions,
no I got, I got silenced in a way, you know.
And that was and that was my career, honestly, that
was it. That was the last time I played.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Leonard. I remember talking to a general manager years ago
and I drafting is hard. In basketball, there's physicality, and
in baseball, you know, pitchers have Tommy John surgery. But
football is different. There are players who, because of their size,
(24:33):
can dominate in high school and be highly productive in college,
and then they get to the NFL and they meet
for the first time in their lives another bully, somebody
that is physically stronger. I mean, guys like you in
high school, you dominate, in college, you're the best player,
(24:54):
but you can meet you'll meet another pro on Saturday,
and then you get to the NFL and it's like, yeah,
that's the first time I've gotten tackled bike that's faster
than me. Leonard, who was the first What was the
first time because you were the number one running back
out of high school. I saw your high school video.
You were the dominant back in college. Who was the
(25:15):
first athlete? And it may have been in college in
the S zero pro you put a move on and
he sticks you, or you ran to the corner and
he caught you. Who was the first athlete? You're like, shit,
he's my equal.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Yeah, And me and Joelvis have talked about this.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I would say, personally, I've never been hit hard or anything,
but I would say when it comes to the mental
aspect of the game and them knowing our offense in
and out was Luke Eagley?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
And when I tell you, man, when we line up
in certain informations, bro and he knew the run was
coming in an exact spot and he'll point there and
I'm like, I'm looking at a signlight, like damn, Like
what Like to be honest, what do you do? So
it's like running to brick wall.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
You know, you can't change the play. I'm I'm not
the quarterback. I can't change the play. I was the quarterback.
Was we had a young quarterback was Mitcheu Gardner.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
And he's not saying what I'm saying, and you know,
sometimes as a running back, you gotta you gotta gotta
deal with the cards that's been dope to you.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
And then that's what it was.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Jarvis is there? I mean Jarvis. There weren't many guys
that could cover you. But who was Jarvis? Who was
the first corner that you couldn't shake?
Speaker 5 (26:30):
It was, honestly, it was Darrel Revis, Darel Reeves. It
was the first person that you know. He was in
New England at the time, so I saw him twice
a year when I was here in Miami, and then
he went to the Jets when he finished with the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
But it was him. I was still young, I still
was maturing as a receiver.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
He was a much smarter, he was much bigger than
I was, right, and he was just a veteran. He
knew what I was doing, he knew my splits, he
knew when they put me in certain positions.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
What was going on. I tried to like out physical, but.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
He's a grown as man and I'm you know what
I mean, I'm still I'm fresh out of college. You're
grown ass man with kids and a mortgage and all
these things and everything. I tried it just didn't work.
And it wasn't until a couple of years later where
I feel like I personally got the better of him.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
But you know, yeah, he was tough.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Do you think in the end facing him, I mean
literally in the off season, you would you go and
be like, OK, I gotta look at this film. I've
got to get better. I mean, like, did deareral Reebis
make you a better receiver?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (27:31):
I mean, honestly, it was the thought of those guys, right,
They was like not mystical figures or anything, but like
it was the thought of those guys of having to
face those guys and actually step up to the plate,
you know, and do more to this stuff of the plate,
get a hit, right, like get on base. Like For me,
it was really those those those thoughts triggered how I
worked out.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
It triggered the work that think in the off season.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I didn't have to go and work up work out
against them, but I also knew that if I wanted
to show up on Sundays, I have to work twice
as hard as these guys, as these guys literally twice
as hard as these guys. I have to use my my, my,
my youthfulness as a strength.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So if it's a run play, we go, we gonna
run thirty eys down.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
The field, old guy like you know, you know, like
using you know and I And it helped me develop
more tools to be able to beat and slow older
guys down like that.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Who I had tremendous respect.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
For Leonard when you would go like, obviously there's that
dominating win over the Chiefs in the Super Bowl where
they just literally couldn't block, they couldn't protect Patrick Mahomes.
But if you go back, I've always thought this is
interesting guys, Leonard, do you would you know based on
a game plan, would you know by Wednesday install? Would
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you know this ain't gonna work or this is gonna work.
Did you have a sense how Sundays we're gonna develop
or were there ever massive surprises where you just I mean,
that's what's crazy about the NFL. Like you'll watch Carolina
last year should have beaten the Rams twice. I mean
I thought the second time, I thought, well, Rams will
be focused. Shit, they should have beaten them the second time,
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like they just moved the ball on the Rams ate
when you put the install in, did you generally have
a sense it's not a great install. It's a tremendous install.
Or did Sundays always surprise you?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Non? So for me?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I think when you look at the quality of our
team yet in Tampa, listen, you can I think we
could be blind. We go out there blind for it,
and it still probably would have won, you know, because
that's how much faith I hadn't had in those guys
in that locker room and on the offense side of
the ball. Right, And you have a guy like TB
(29:52):
twelve back there that that man I'm talking about, you
talking about you have you have the team got tom meeting, right.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
We go over the plays that the coaches think.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
That's gonna work, right, and we have the plays that
TV twelve thinks it is going to work.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
And he likes and he's comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Right.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
So it's like Monday through Friday.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
We're going over the team plays that Saturday walkthrough, all right,
it's Tommy plays now every ding he just calculated for
that Friday.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
He's eliminating what he think we didn't.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
We didn't we didn't play as well throughout the week
in practice, right, and now he's gonna put in the
game plan for Sunday.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
So I always tell people to play in that office
with Tom. We have to be smart because you got
to think about this.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Every week we're changing. We have like twenty to thirty
hand signs. We change on a Saturday. We have to
know about Sunday. So if you're not writing this down,
if you're not understanding this, he will not throw you
as the ball. So you might as well just cancel Christmas.
You will not get the ball. He doesn't trust you
to process the information on Saturday and come back Sunday
(31:07):
to carry it out. And that's that's that's what kind
of made us unique. So anything you came at us
with the Monday about plays and everything, we knew we
was gonna dominate it.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Even in like the super Bowl. You got two weeks.
Brady has said about that Super Bowl Tom, Tom said
I knew their defense better than they knew their defense.
Did you go in with a lot of confidence?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Listen, I can tell you those two weeks of practicing
and if a guy's at home, don't know where means
we didn't have one mental era in two weeks, not
one mental era. Nobody made a mistake in two weeks.
So so you know, like like when we came out
to practice. The atmosphere like it's like that you have
(31:52):
but you ever seen the old Western movies when the
cowboy and ending by the fight, it's like a Western
standoff and the wind the wind did just stop blown one.
That's how it was every day at practice. That's how
dolls and we was. I promised that, I promised the
god we was so dolls. Then where the first play?
We just did something. I did this thing on an
eighty R bomb and I caught it.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Jarvis, did you He talks about his relationship with Brady. Yeah,
take me to every quarterback you played with. You don't
have to give me your favorite, but give me the
quarterback that challenged you the most that you think got
the most out of you.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Oh wow, Yeah, I mean I think I think I
think it would probably have to be I think it
has to be Baker.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I think I spent the most time with him.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
I think at the time when I was in Miami,
you know, you know, with the Adam Gase turnover from
from Joe Philbin and things like that, I think tannel
Hill was still learning how to play quarterback. It was right,
and they were also still they were also still trying
to figure out how they to get him to lead
the team.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Right. So you know, I don't really see I wouldn't
say it was a bat experience, but.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
I had more camaraderie with Jay Cutler, right, I had
more with camaraderie with Matt Moore, right when those guys
came in the game, like they were just gamers. You know,
we didn't get a lot of reps together. We took
some reps together, but we figured it out. I think
the thing with Baker was we both had we shared
the same you know, winning spirit as far as competing
(33:22):
every day and practice in an off season. You know,
he would fly us out to Texas. We go to
Texas and trained out there for a week. You know,
We'll go to Yellowstone and train out in the National
Park where where the infamous Brady and Edelman and all
those guys trained that as well, right, Like, you know,
and I think that that was one of the things
that for me as a player, helped me become again
(33:45):
become a better choice route runner, right, become a better
option route runner.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Right.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
And you know, and yeah, we had success together. It
didn't work out obviously, but you know, we had great
success together.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
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Speaker 4 (34:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
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In the volume, I said, I want another and they
said the same thing. Let's do a college another college
football podcast, but it would be cool if it was
different than the ones we have, And so Jarvis Landry
and Leonard Fournett both went to LSU. They never overlapped.
(02:06):
One was the star running back, won the star receiver.
And we said, let's let's put these guys together and
let's do a test. Well, we listened for about five
minutes and we knew we had a hit, and so
I thought, I'm gonna if you haven't heard him, I'm
going to introduce you for the next thirty thirty five
minutes when you go to your NFL experience. I always
(02:30):
thought that Tampa thing was fascinating because when Brady went
to Tampa, we knew they needed a right tackle. They
drafted one, Tristan Wurse, but the defense was set. They
had good tight ends, excellent wide receivers, they needed a
quarterback Tommy, and they needed a right tackle. And then
they started adding like Gronk kind of his security blanket.
(02:54):
I mean, Tom just but he was out of his prime.
But it didn't matter. And then they brought you in
and I my take was, I didn't know you, but
I'm like, well, Brady wouldn't okay that. Arians wouldn't okay
that unless he's like he's a dog. And like when
you got the call, take me back to the Buccaneers
and you get the call, and they're kind of because
(03:14):
even when they were like five hundred with Jamos, everybody
in the league knew, I mean, Tom chose them. Everybody
knew they were like, dude, they're underachieving. They got a
lot of dudes. When you got the call to go
join Brady, tell me about that.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So, man, as you know, I got cut by Jacksonville
right two weeks later I get calls from At the time,
I was twenty six, twenty five, twenty six, still on
my prime, you know, and that's the best year is
to get us young guys, you know when we still
can get you know, you're milking a cow and you
get all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Out of them, especially running those Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Yeah, for sure, and I can.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I can almost The first person to reach out to
him was Devin White, right, I kind of mentored Devin
White at LSU. He was he was younger than me,
and I always knew Devon was going to be who
he was going to.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Be because he worked hard.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
He's always smart, you know, he's a good guy, strong
man listen, strong country guy.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
You know what I'm saying. You pick up hate for
a living.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So it's like I always seen that in him. But
I think, for me, what kind of what kind of
put it on? Put the tray on the top of
when Tom reached out to him, because me and Tom
wasn't wasn't under armor together, so we always had a relationship,
right and I called, I'm like, I'm looking at their
running back room. You know, at the time, I didn't
know who Ronald Jones was, So I come from Jacksonville
(04:33):
being a Bell Kyle, you know, and uh, I think
when he asked me to come over, He's like, man,
you could be a part of something special. I just
felt it in my I felt it in my heart,
like I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna give it
a chance. But in the beginning it didn't go as
I thought it would go. I thought I was gonna
come in take over, be the number one back, right.
I had to go through my adversity to become who
(04:56):
who I became was playoff Lenny, super Bowl Lenny, uh
and all those things. But it took a while for
me to get over that homep for being cut well.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Also think about it, Leonard is that it was a
little bit of an all star offense. Brady Brady views
the world differently than arians. Arians wants to throw it.
He's like Al Davis, like he wants to go over
the top old raider football. Tom's very much about fallout,
quick yards after cats. That's that's his doctrine. So that
(05:27):
offense you were part of was a lot. I mean, god,
you guys were seven and five through week twelve and
you got a perfect buy. But I would argue you
guys were a bit of a mess until week twenty one.
What happened in the bye week because you didn't lose
after that? What and now you got Atlanta a couple
of times, I remember, so they got you healthy. But
(05:48):
what happened in that bye week to fix the offense?
Because it was it was hot and cold to twelve
games in Tom's first year.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, man, we had a we had an all players meeting, right,
and you know, it's it's different when you come from
being the vocal points of certain offenses like I was,
right and Antonio Brown was the vocal point of his
offense and in the stillers right, and we kind of had
to have that that coming to coming to guard meeting, like,
you know, we know what we can do, our egos.
You know, there's only one ball. Everybody's not gonna be
(06:20):
able to touch the ball. So understanding is now for
us to win our egos, our attitudes and us not
not not being a part of the game plan some
games and not being like, you know, we want to score,
we want to play. We have to cut it out,
right because after that, I mean you you had games
where our number one wide receiver, Michael Evans got the
(06:43):
ball two times, three times a game and did not complain.
So I'm like, damn if I'm if I'm if I'm
complaining and he's not saying nothing. All right, Well, maybe
maybe I need to dial back a little bit and
understand this is just bigger.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
This is way bigger than me.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
It's bigger than what our, what I our want to
comment as a player, right, we have something to do
that probably nobody has ever done besides Grunk and Brady
and NBA has won a Super Bowl. And that's what
we did. We say, you know, we stuck our hat downs.
We say, you know, let's do it and be stuck
with it.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Jarvis, that was obviously the best team Leonard was ever on. Jarvis,
give me the best, And a lot of times the
best team isn't the best experience. You know, you you
can get on a team that's good and you're not
and you just don't like the guys. I mean, you
were a five time Pro Bowlers, you were obviously a
great player, you were a leader, But what was your
best year in terms of experience? It doesn't have to
(07:35):
be the most wins a cohesive unit. Jarvis, that you
just loved pro football like you loved it in high school.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yeah, I think I think I wish I had got
that call from Brady like Leonard did.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
But but but.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
I think the best team that we played on was
I have to say the Cleveland team that we went
to the playoffs with Baker in nineteen Yeah with Baker, Yeah, right,
And I think that was one of the best teams. Obviously,
it was a weird year because it was a little
bit of COVID and things like that happening going on
around around the world. Right in the NFL IS figured
some things out, but you know, I think at that
(08:09):
point in time, it really became strictly about football for
some reason, doing COVID, like it was literally home in
football home.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
There was no other distractions. There was nothing else that
can come in between.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Cleveland's boring enough at COVID.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You know, listen, Cleveland is underrated. People think Cleveland is boring.
Cleveland is very underrated.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
But but that team, that team, we just had a
lot of guys played well at the right time. You know,
we lost Odell that year to ACL, we had a
couple other guys get injured, and we had younger guys
step up.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
We had Rashaan Higgins who stepped up right.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
And if you want to say, the most most arguable
call in the last five or six years was when
he dove in for a touchdown in Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
The helmet and helmet car guy is being a.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Touch You out played the Chiefs in that game there.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
But if there's no.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Question, Colin, I am still pissed at Chad Haney. Chad
Heney came into the game. Chad Henney came into the
game after not playing I don't know, he probably didn't
play for thirty seven weeks for the last two years,
and he walked into the game. And it's a beautiful
thing about sports, and it's a beautiful thing about you know,
guys being ready when their number is called, right, But
(09:21):
I just wish it wasn't that day.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, I really wish I had that little completion off
to the right and that seal it.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
That sealed it, and to play before that it was third,
I want to say it was third and fourteen and
he ran for thirteen. And then you know, oh Andy
Reid who always has a has one in his pocket, right,
he calls a fort down beater versus man the man
getting a ball to Tyreek Hill as fast as possible,
and you know, they convert and you know it's over.
(09:49):
But that was one of the best teams that I
was that I played on, and I was very excited
the next year, even though it didn't work out. Things
didn't work out for us in Cleveland, but the next year,
I was excited because we'll be getting our pieces back
and things like that. So I was hopeful that we
can carry on to you know what we what we
put on the field last year, put on a tape
last year, you know, but it didn't work out.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
It's people think I don't like Baker Mayfield. It is
not true.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Well I've been I've been wanting to talk to you
for a long time about this.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
All right, So you started because I said before, I
thought Cleveland was a bad spot for him to land
out of college. I preferred Donald. I thought Darnald was
a bigger, stronger quarterback and a little bit more coachable.
I thought Baker throws a better football. But I thought
Cleveland's dysfunction, Cleveland's angry media, the beaten down fan base,
(10:37):
and Baker was really emotional, you know, he would fight
with the media. I thought this is not good. This is,
and eventually it wasn't. Stefanskin Berry and I think both
those guys are sharp. They moved on, but I never
hated him. I always said this with Baker. I said,
he's absolutely one of the twenty best quarterbacks on the earth.
Right now, I wouldn't make him my guy at this point.
(10:59):
Now I have all so defended him in Tampa. I'm like, guys,
sign him, re sign him. Tampa's perfect. If you pay
Baker forty million, it's like Darnold, I don't want to
pay him sixty. You pay Baker forty. Malik Willis at
twenty two is a steal. I think Malik's super talented.
But my take on Baker was he just wasn't quite
(11:20):
ready for the Cleveland experience. Hell did he gone to
the Rams and McVeigh you know who knows? But you
tell me When I was critical of Baker and he
would fire back. I mean, you were in the locker room.
Did he ever come up to you and go, hey,
don't listen to that idiot on Fox?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like I had to say that
a few times, right, But I think, what was you know,
when you were as good as Baker is right, especially
coming out of college. You know, he had all of
the intangibles right, maybe not physically, but as far as
throwing the ball and being a winner, right, And in
most cases that's what you get value that right, And
(12:01):
in Cleveland, into his defense, Cleveland have been a bad
team for a long time. Bad So that's how they
were able to get guys like myself, guys like da
Marius Randall, I think Carlos Hide at the same time.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
We all came in together, right.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
And when you're that bad, you get the first round
draft pick and you take the best player on the board.
And at the time, Cleveland felt like that was Baker,
and I think they were right about it. And we're
seeing that they were right about it. Obviously it didn't
work out there, but it should have worked out there.
Baker is a hell of a competitor. He's a great
team right. I do think if you if you think
about if I think about his trajectory, right, I do
(12:42):
think that at a time of I wouldn't say him
being so young, but I will say the maturity, the
maturity level that he is at now is not something
that he had in Cleveland. It's not something that that's
not something that any player has when they're that young, right,
and acts to take a bad organization, a bad team, right,
(13:03):
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna. I love them uh
uh d and Jimmy Haslam.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
But but but.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
To take a pro organization that has been through the
mud and do what.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
No one could do.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
They had they had thirty seven quarterbacks in five years, right,
and more credit to John Dorsey for taking a taking
a gamble and bringing guys in to help a young quarterback.
And I thought that we had a good run. We
should have had a longer run, but I thought that
we had a good run. And as far as media
and and and you and and Baker, I just never
(13:37):
understood it, right, I just never understood that.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You know, he was he was very young, and I.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Just felt like maybe he didn't know how to handle
the pressure. But also it was one of those things
where he was put in a situation and asked to
perform at a high level in which you would call
yourself a dysfunctional place.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, so for him.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
To go there and succeed will be extremely tough, right, right,
And and for anyone to be critical, I will say
he didn't listen to There was a lot of people
talking right, Oh, I know, there was only a certain
few that broke through.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
There was only a certain few that he really heard.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Right, And and and it happens to all of us.
It happens to all of us. I'm sure Linda could
attested this too. You know, in sports, you know there's
certain you know, people that report sports, and they're reported
at a high level, and they reported very well, and
they speak their truth and there and sometimes their their
truth is is something that makes it to the player,
(14:34):
It makes it to the sure and yeah, and and
those are things that we think about on the field.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Those are things that we're trying to address.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Guys, I've had I've been doing this thirty five years.
I've had media critics attack me. Most of them I
don't care. But there have been moments where a critic
has said something or a fan has said something, and
I've thought, oh, they're making a good point. That's actually
a really really good point. Like I do think, as
long as you don't get a wash in it, you
don't get it's not an avalanche, you don't bathe in it.
(15:05):
But I've had people I've had I've had years and
years ago when I used to read emails from fans
at least once a month, somebody would send one and
you'd be like, that's a really good point. You know,
I was getting repetitious or using a term or a saying,
and I'd be like, that's a great point. So you know,
and and I always said this with Baker Mayfield is
(15:31):
everybody matures at a different level, and it's it Baker.
He just but he just wasn't like Fernando Mendoza is
twenty two going on forty five years old. I mean,
he's like mister Rogers. Like by the way, Mayfield no
that there's a lot of people that believe that there
(15:52):
are players that are like Kirk Cousins. I don't think
it's ever been in trouble, Like I get it, Like
there are right, like I get it. And Baker's a
guy that can go out with the boys and you
want to get into a contest, you know, he'll go
he'll go online dancing or inline dancing, or he'll do
arm wrestling. And that's who Baker is. That's the part
(16:12):
about Baker. I always like he's one of the guys
sometimes probably too much one of the guys now now,
Leonard talking about media, was there ever a criticism because
I remember you skipped a bowl game once or a game,
and I remember going on the air and defending you
and McCaffrey. I'm like, guys, it's you are not skipping
(16:35):
the National championship. Secondly, running back's the only player in
football now that you can hit anywhere anytime, high, low knees, back,
it doesn't matter. So I'm going to defend college running
back not playing for a natty. I remember saying that
on the air. But was there ever a criticism in
your career, college or pro Leonard that stings you learn
(16:56):
from it or it pissed you off.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, I can honest say I think it was for more.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
For me, it was skipping the bowl game right, right,
because when I went to the NFL combine, right, that
was everyone's question, Right, so do you love the game?
I'm like, and my and my answer was, you know
you got to understand this, right. I still came back.
I still played injured. I suffered with a high little
angle sprain right And not to mention I could have
(17:24):
I could have set out in the beginning of the
season because I've already had gotten my grade back from
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
This was gonna be a top five pick.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
But you got to understand this, me being who I am,
you know, and wanting to win for LSU and me
being from Louisiana.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
I mean, it's nothing like it. So just going out
there and compete.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
And the thing that hurted me the most, right, I
thought I was, I thought at the time, and I
still believe that now. I made that decision based on
my family, a business career. At the time, I had
a son and a daughter, you know, so I thought
about longevity, you know, and you got to think about
the past guys who played before me. Marcus LaMarcus Latimore
(18:05):
played that South Carolina.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, he tore up his need, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So all that plays apart when you're playing the game
right that you love right and and also there's the
horse reality, like you can you can't get hurt, and
now you don't. You don't beat the top five pick
the first round of you know, you might go to
you might be a free agent, right, you know, not
get drafted. So all that was playing in my mind
(18:30):
each and every game. I'm like, all right, all right,
you playing with this little this high, little Angle Spring,
and some of my coach told me said, man, you
have done everything you wanted to do.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Just sit down. You've paid your.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Way to be an NFL star, the NFL Top five pick.
You've you've done it all. You did it all, so man,
just rest and then leave it, leave it in God's hand.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
That's what I did, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
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I don't remember all the shows I've done, but I
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remember when we were doing this with hard Rock Bet
and we created this and I remember, Oh, I remember
that saying guys, it's and I remember the media reaction
was outraged, Oh, he doesn't care about football. And I
asked Tony Gonzalez. This, Tony Gonzalez is the all time
great tight end. Right, He's on Amazon now and I
(21:06):
loved Tony's a friend and I said one time, Tony,
how many players love the game, And I mean love it?
And he said, you know, three percent? Five percent. He goes, listen,
we like the game. The game's hard.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
He goes.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
The minute I retired, I'm never lifting another weight. He's like,
I hate the weight room. Now he's in great shame,
but he so let me ask you, guys this, Jarvis.
I'll go to you on this, but go to your
last year as a pro. Jarvis, did you still love
the game?
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Absolutely love the I love the game the same way
that I loved it the first day I picked up
a football.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Now.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
The game wasn't the problem, honestly, Colin. The problem for
me was I knew too much. Like you know, someone
had already pulled the curtains back right from a political standpoint.
Right at that time in my career, I was in
New Orleans and I'm coming off of an MCLs injury.
I still finished with eight hundred yards. I think I
only played twelve games that same year Baker was heard.
(22:08):
It was our last year in Cleveland. We still figured
out a way to play, make some plays, and I
thought I still had a lot more juice left right,
And I did, and Jenner, I really did. But I
went to a team that already had their receiver in
Michael Thomas, that also had a running back in Alvin Kamarap,
(22:28):
that also had a utility player in Taysoon Hill, that
also had a first round draft pick and Chris olave right,
and I'm thinking to myself, man, I'm going join the Avengers.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Like I really felt like I thought I was going
to join the Avengers.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Right in first game of the season we played against Atlanta,
I catched seven balls for one hundred and thirty one.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yards, and then from there it was all downhill.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
And as I begin to talk and you know, to
Mickey Loomis and receiver coach Cody at the time, and
I'm trying to figure out, Hey, why am I not
getting targets anymore? Why am I not getting the ball anymore?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Right? And I realized because we weren't.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Doing well as an offense or as a team, right,
somebody has to look like this, Chris Olave pick was
the right pick.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Right. He's a first round draft pick. Right.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
He needs the ball in his hands. Not saying that
Chris is a bad football player. Chris Olave is a
damn good football player. He's a dog, right, and he
should and he deserves the ball in his hands.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Right. But at the same time, you know, we've seen
the birth of Rahishahid.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Right who who who?
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Who took off as a New Orleans Saint. Who's a
free agent, undrafted guy, you know, and now he's in Seattle.
He's been able to get paid through throughout this you know,
his career and things like that. But it wasn't to me.
I realized, it wasn't about how much you loved the game.
It wasn't about how much I showed up early. It
wasn't about how much of a leader I was, or
(23:54):
a veteran I was, or how hard I worked. It
didn't translate into targets, and it wasn't translated into wins. Yeah,
and when I started asking, you know, the harder questions,
no I got, I got silenced in a way, you know.
And that was and that was my career, honestly, that
was it. That was the last time I played.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Leonard. I remember talking to a general manager years ago
and I drafting is hard. In basketball, there's physicality, and
in baseball, you know, pitchers have Tommy John surgery. But
football is different. There are players who, because of their size,
(24:33):
can dominate in high school and be highly productive in college,
and then they get to the NFL and they meet
for the first time in their lives another bully, somebody
that is physically stronger. I mean, guys like you in
high school, you dominate, in college, you're the best player,
(24:54):
but you can meet you'll meet another pro on Saturday,
and then you get to the NFL and it's like, yeah,
that's the first time I've gotten tackled bike that's faster
than me. Leonard, who was the first What was the
first time because you were the number one running back
out of high school. I saw your high school video.
You were the dominant back in college. Who was the
(25:15):
first athlete? And it may have been in college in
the S zero pro you put a move on and
he sticks you, or you ran to the corner and
he caught you. Who was the first athlete? You're like, shit,
he's my equal.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Yeah, And me and Joelvis have talked about this.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I would say, personally, I've never been hit hard or anything,
but I would say when it comes to the mental
aspect of the game and them knowing our offense in
and out was Luke Eagley?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
And when I tell you, man, when we line up
in certain informations, bro and he knew the run was
coming in an exact spot and he'll point there and
I'm like, I'm looking at a signlight, like damn, Like
what Like to be honest, what do you do? So
it's like running to brick wall.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
You know, you can't change the play. I'm I'm not
the quarterback. I can't change the play. I was the quarterback.
Was we had a young quarterback was Mitcheu Gardner.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
And he's not saying what I'm saying, and you know,
sometimes as a running back, you gotta you gotta gotta
deal with the cards that's been dope to you.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
And then that's what it was.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Jarvis is there? I mean Jarvis. There weren't many guys
that could cover you. But who was Jarvis? Who was
the first corner that you couldn't shake?
Speaker 5 (26:30):
It was, honestly, it was Darrel Revis, Darel Reeves. It
was the first person that you know. He was in
New England at the time, so I saw him twice
a year when I was here in Miami, and then
he went to the Jets when he finished with the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
But it was him. I was still young, I still
was maturing as a receiver.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
He was a much smarter, he was much bigger than
I was, right, and he was just a veteran. He
knew what I was doing, he knew my splits, he
knew when they put me in certain positions.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
What was going on. I tried to like out physical, but.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
He's a grown as man and I'm you know what
I mean, I'm still I'm fresh out of college. You're
grown ass man with kids and a mortgage and all
these things and everything. I tried it just didn't work.
And it wasn't until a couple of years later where
I feel like I personally got the better of him.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
But you know, yeah, he was tough.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Do you think in the end facing him, I mean
literally in the off season, you would you go and
be like, OK, I gotta look at this film. I've
got to get better. I mean, like, did deareral Reebis
make you a better receiver?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (27:31):
I mean, honestly, it was the thought of those guys, right,
They was like not mystical figures or anything, but like
it was the thought of those guys of having to
face those guys and actually step up to the plate,
you know, and do more to this stuff of the plate,
get a hit, right, like get on base. Like For me,
it was really those those those thoughts triggered how I
worked out.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
It triggered the work that think in the off season.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I didn't have to go and work up work out
against them, but I also knew that if I wanted
to show up on Sundays, I have to work twice
as hard as these guys, as these guys literally twice
as hard as these guys. I have to use my my, my,
my youthfulness as a strength.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So if it's a run play, we go, we gonna
run thirty eys down.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
The field, old guy like you know, you know, like
using you know and I And it helped me develop
more tools to be able to beat and slow older
guys down like that.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Who I had tremendous respect.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
For Leonard when you would go like, obviously there's that
dominating win over the Chiefs in the Super Bowl where
they just literally couldn't block, they couldn't protect Patrick Mahomes.
But if you go back, I've always thought this is
interesting guys, Leonard, do you would you know based on
a game plan, would you know by Wednesday install? Would
(28:50):
you know this ain't gonna work or this is gonna work.
Did you have a sense how Sundays we're gonna develop
or were there ever massive surprises where you just I mean,
that's what's crazy about the NFL. Like you'll watch Carolina
last year should have beaten the Rams twice. I mean
I thought the second time, I thought, well, Rams will
be focused. Shit, they should have beaten them the second time,
(29:13):
like they just moved the ball on the Rams ate
when you put the install in, did you generally have
a sense it's not a great install. It's a tremendous install.
Or did Sundays always surprise you?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Non? So for me?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I think when you look at the quality of our
team yet in Tampa, listen, you can I think we
could be blind. We go out there blind for it,
and it still probably would have won, you know, because
that's how much faith I hadn't had in those guys
in that locker room and on the offense side of
the ball. Right, And you have a guy like TB
(29:52):
twelve back there that that man I'm talking about, you
talking about you have you have the team got tom meeting, right.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
We go over the plays that the coaches think.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
That's gonna work, right, and we have the plays that
TV twelve thinks it is going to work.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
And he likes and he's comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Right.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
So it's like Monday through Friday.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
We're going over the team plays that Saturday walkthrough, all right,
it's Tommy plays now every ding he just calculated for
that Friday.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
He's eliminating what he think we didn't.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
We didn't we didn't play as well throughout the week
in practice, right, and now he's gonna put in the
game plan for Sunday.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
So I always tell people to play in that office
with Tom. We have to be smart because you got
to think about this.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Every week we're changing. We have like twenty to thirty
hand signs. We change on a Saturday. We have to
know about Sunday. So if you're not writing this down,
if you're not understanding this, he will not throw you
as the ball. So you might as well just cancel Christmas.
You will not get the ball. He doesn't trust you
to process the information on Saturday and come back Sunday
(31:07):
to carry it out. And that's that's that's what kind
of made us unique. So anything you came at us
with the Monday about plays and everything, we knew we
was gonna dominate it.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Even in like the super Bowl. You got two weeks.
Brady has said about that Super Bowl Tom, Tom said
I knew their defense better than they knew their defense.
Did you go in with a lot of confidence?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Listen, I can tell you those two weeks of practicing
and if a guy's at home, don't know where means
we didn't have one mental era in two weeks, not
one mental era. Nobody made a mistake in two weeks.
So so you know, like like when we came out
to practice. The atmosphere like it's like that you have
(31:52):
but you ever seen the old Western movies when the
cowboy and ending by the fight, it's like a Western
standoff and the wind the wind did just stop blown one.
That's how it was every day at practice. That's how
dolls and we was. I promised that, I promised the
god we was so dolls. Then where the first play?
We just did something. I did this thing on an
eighty R bomb and I caught it.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Jarvis, did you He talks about his relationship with Brady. Yeah,
take me to every quarterback you played with. You don't
have to give me your favorite, but give me the
quarterback that challenged you the most that you think got
the most out of you.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Oh wow, Yeah, I mean I think I think I
think it would probably have to be I think it
has to be Baker.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I think I spent the most time with him.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
I think at the time when I was in Miami,
you know, you know, with the Adam Gase turnover from
from Joe Philbin and things like that, I think tannel
Hill was still learning how to play quarterback. It was right,
and they were also still they were also still trying
to figure out how they to get him to lead
the team.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Right. So you know, I don't really see I wouldn't
say it was a bat experience, but.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
I had more camaraderie with Jay Cutler, right, I had
more with camaraderie with Matt Moore, right when those guys
came in the game, like they were just gamers. You know,
we didn't get a lot of reps together. We took
some reps together, but we figured it out. I think
the thing with Baker was we both had we shared
the same you know, winning spirit as far as competing
(33:22):
every day and practice in an off season. You know,
he would fly us out to Texas. We go to
Texas and trained out there for a week. You know,
We'll go to Yellowstone and train out in the National
Park where where the infamous Brady and Edelman and all
those guys trained that as well, right, Like, you know,
and I think that that was one of the things
that for me as a player, helped me become again
(33:45):
become a better choice route runner, right, become a better
option route runner.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Right.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
And you know, and yeah, we had success together. It
didn't work out obviously, but you know, we had great
success together.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
It's called fourth and South. Rvis Landry, the five time
pro bowlder, Leonard Furnette, playoff, Lenny, Big Game, Lenny, Guys,
I know hard Rock Bet loves having you be part
of it. We at the volume love having both you guys.
Just keep telling the truth, being as real as possible.
(34:19):
You're a great listen and you guys remind me a
little bit of the football version of five twenty, where
I know I'm getting stories that you know, I'm not
getting from a lot of people. And I appreciate both
of you.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I appreciate you too, man, Thank you.
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