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Speaker 1 (01:20):
So I went to wait a couple of days before
I talked about the John Jones interview with Kevin Ioli.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Obviously there were some key points.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Anytime Jones kind of starts to make his way back
into the mixed martial ARGs world, it's big news, as
it should be. But I didn't get to listen to
the interview in its entirety, but clearly I heard some
of the clips, saw some of the Instagram posts, saw
some of the things that he said.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
In the interview.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And the one big thing and Lou you can throw
that direct comment in the chat for me was his
stance on fighting Tom Aspinall. You know, there's this thing
right in the heavyweight division right now where you.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Have these two guys.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
That are universally considered to the greatest mixed martial artists
of all time. No one can deny that, no one
can say that this fight should not happen. And a
lot of that is based on the fact that these
two have accomplished just want anything you can in the
sport of mixed martial arts. They're both champions, they've both
got multiple defenses. Clearly John Jones has more than Steve Amylcicic,
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but both of these guys have really cemented themselves as
to the best to ever do it. And when you
get that as a chance to make a fight as
an organization, I.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Feel like you have to do it.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
But the black cloud, right, the shadow has been Tom
Aspinall because Tom Aspinall, while Jones has been injured, Steve
A has refused to fight anyone, but John Jones has
been fighting and he's become the interim champion and he's
been winning.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
But I think the biggest issue for these two and
the reason.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
The general public has isn't such an uproars because of
the way tom Aspinall has been winning. If Tom Aspinall
was fighting even with the rest of the division and
he was decision here, decision here, split decision.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Everybody would be like, Okay, well, he might not be
on the.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Level of these guys yet, because he's he's even with
these dudes, who we have seen time and time again
not be able to compete with those dudes, so we
don't really need to see it. But for Tom Aspinall
has been knockout, knockout, knockout, knockout.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
He has just destroyed these guys. And Jones made a
point about Tom knocking out certain Sergeia losing again to Bolkov.
But I don't know that that point was as relevant
and didn't not hit hammer home the point that he
was trying to make as much as he might have intended.
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So John Jones told Tom Asperinall said on Tom Aspinal,
he said, more than likely, I will not fight Tom.
Kevin asked about facing Aspinall. I feel like Tom aspernall
is and I don't want to say nobody. But he
hasn't proven anything, he hasn't done anything. I'm not here
to gamble on someone.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Else making a name off of me. That's the first part.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Of the h the thing that I will break in,
break down right quick. I'm not here to run the
risk of someone making the name off of me. Shugunn
had to fight John Jones back in the day. Rampage
had to fight John Jones back in the day. Those
guys were big names that fought him as the young
guy that was the champion, and he made a name
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off of all those legends, so that by the time
I got to him, he.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Was a legend. He was a legend already in twenty sixteen, fifteen,
he was already a legend. In five years.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
But that was only because he had been all those
great guys before. It really is the tale of sport, right,
the tale of entertainment. Before Michael Jordan could become Michael Jordan,
he had to go through the Detroit Pistons who.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Were winning in the eighties.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
He had to beat the Boston Celtics to get to
the finals, who were going back and forth with the Lakers.
The old guard has to get passed through for the
new guard to happen. So for John to say he's
a nobody, but is he really? He's a world champion.
He's the world champ. Honestly, that's who he is.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
He is the number two heavyweight in the world. He's
the interim champ.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
He's not a guy that's just working his way through
the division. He's a guy that has smashed the division.
I think my biggest issue with that is that final statement,
though not giving him an opportunity to make a name
off of me.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But you're John Jones.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Most people would still expect him to beat Tom Aspinall
Or am I wrong? Or more people expecting Tom Aspinall
to beat Jones? Tell me in the comments, right, tell
me down here in the comments because maybe I'm off base.
Maybe the idea is that Tom Aspernall is gonna beat
John Jones. Look, John Jones isn't afraid of Tom Asperall.
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I wish people would stop saying that he is not
afraid of that guy. He's not afraid of anyone. He's
not afraid to fight this guy.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I think he's trying to be more strategic. I think
he's trying to make sure his legacy stands. I don't
know how it could ever be fathed. I mean, we
do have short memories, but could you ever remember forget
what he did. I don't think him fighting Tom Aspinall
with the potential that he would lose as a bad thing,
but as most would expect him to win the fight.
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But at the end of the day, the old guard
has to get passed through for the new guard to go.
Unless you don't play the sport by the way that
everyone else does it, everyone else does it that way,
maybe Jones will be different. He went on to say,
if there is a fight with a guy that is
still on the UFC roster, that would be not only
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financially worth it, but legacy worth it. It would be
Alex Pereira. Guys, no shit, Alex Perreira, for all that
he has done, still would seem to have that one
glaring hole in his game. John Jones is a junior
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college national champion. John Jones was recruited by all the
biggest universities in the country. He would just wrestle him,
as we saw him do with so many strikers at
the beginning of his career. He would just wrestle him.
So yes, financially, it would make sense and it would
be much less risky because.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Of that glaring hole in the matchup. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I don't know if Alex perrikin the fin takedowns against
the best guys. He's wrestling Glover. I'm sure Glover's teaching
him how to defin take downs. I'm sure Glover, who's
a tremendous wrestler himself, hasn't prepared, but I don't know
how he will do and live. Actually, it's a truly
elite level high wrestler because Joan Behovich isn't and he
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was able to take him down effectively.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So yeah, John would would would.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Prefer that matchup because it's much less risky than fighting
Tom aspinall he said. The UFC Light Heavyweight Champion and
I are both thirty seven right now. I will have
about two thirty five, which is very smart of Jones.
I thought last time he was way too big. He
did not need to be that big to fight at heavyweight.
(09:18):
I think Perera walks around around two forty, Parrer walks
around in like two thirty two. For the record, we
have seen that. I think the fight would go much
farther on my legacy than a young man who's cool
today and may be gone tomorrow. So it feels like
he's almost dismissive of tom aspinall on what he has done.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Tom Aspnaut has not had the.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Opportunity or the chance on the time to build his
resume to that point. Yet sounds to me like John's
not willing to let him build that off of him.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
It's not due to fear, though, guys, I don't think
he's scared.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Is there a warried that he could lose that match?
As I read it sounds more and more like it,
But it's not because of fear. It also is the
question can he go deep like he used to? Does
he want to go where he had to go to
beat Alexander Gustason when times got super tough, to dig
deep to beat Dominic Reyes and to dig deep to
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beat Thiago Santo's to dig deep, to be able to
put in the work that it took in order to
beat me twice.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Does he still want to do that?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
All these quotes tell me is that he doesn't really
feel like he doesn't really feel like the juice is
worth the squeeze, right, he said tom Asmuna one of
the biggest wins he has overcurtage blades, and he beat
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a Sergey.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
But then Sergei lost the Volkov.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
As I pointed out earlier, Volkov went twenty five minutes
with him. I believe our fifteen minutes with him and
beat on, and Sergei showed how tough he is bywithstanding
that punishment. Tom Aspinall got him out of there in
the round. That's the power of Aspinall. That's the danger
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Speaker 1 (12:42):
Now what a Perrera Jones pay per views sell more
than Tom Aspinoll, absolutely so Financially, he does have a
point that is the biggest money fight for him with
the less risk because people now know Pererra. But at
the end of the day, you have the heavyweight champion
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who is nipping at the bud, who's weighing in in
New York. That's the craziest thing. Tom Asbinall is weighing
in in New York City as a backup fighter, And
I don't doubt for one second that if anything happens,
neither one of those guys will step in the outagon
With tom Aspinall. It's the weirdest, craziest thing crazy that
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he's going to get down the way tom Asbalal has
put in the training camp. But I think there's about
a zero percent, zero to five percent chance that either
of those guys ever fight him. Now, John maybe is
maybe just negotiating publicly. I'm not doing it. I'm not
doing it. Ufuly comes up and goes, we'll give you
ten million.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Dollars to do it. He goes, okay, we don't know that.
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
But these are all questions that arise after John Jones
does one interview and also while he's on the verge
of a master fight against step A Miotis who by
the way, I think it's neck and neck. I really
believe this is gonna be a much more competitive fight
that people are giving step A Miotri's credit for. This
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fight is going to be close, very close, very close.
This fight will be very close. As Luis just texted
me Ariel said it'll be fifty to fifty. I hadn't
even seen that. I think this fight is gonna be
very close, much closer than people think. So maybe we
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pumped the brakes on the tom aspinall John Jones thinking
is what if Steve a wins. Sounds like it's his
last fight. He's riding off in the sunset. But man,
these are big fights in matchups in the heavyweight division.
It's good, right now and it's good with some all
time greats and a young guy that is looking to
make his mark. Question is will Jones give him an opportunity?
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I don't know, but like I said, it's not because
of fear. I would believe that he's negotiating publicly, trying
to get more money.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Make you to go.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I need this fight because you guys want it so bad,
and they give him a number that he can't refuse.
What do you guys think? Please, guys, let me know
what you think. I think a lot of you guys
believe John Jones is.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Afraid of him. I don't believe that.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I refuse to believe that a guy like that is
afraid to fight another man. Hell, I'm not even training
and I'm still not afraid of these dudes, because why
would you be when you have the skills that we have.
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Speaker 2 (16:01):
Until next time, Peace,