September 26, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin looks at the Cowboys ahead of their game against the Giants on Thursday Night Football and why we can't get distracted from the real problems Dallas has
He gives his top 10 list ranking the most clutch QBs in the NFL right now
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Speaker 2 (00:56):
Listen to me.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I was singing about this. Dallas is gonna win tonight.
Lock it up, Yes, sir, so, Dallas is gonna win
tonight because on these Thursday night games, just take the
better quarterback. Dak Is twelve and two against the Giants.
Daniel Jones one and seven against Dallas. Aaron Rodgers won
big on Thursday night. Josh Allen one big on Thursday Night.
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Dak's gonna win. I don't know. I think it's a
touchdown game. Dak's gonna win tonight. You don't have time
to do a lot of prep for Thursday night. Not
a lot of surprises, not a lot of zig zag
best quarterbacks gonna win the game. I'm gonna take Dak
and the Cowboys to win by a touchdown. And you know,
but it's interesting. They may look even really good winning.
I'm gonna go like twenty four to thirteen ce d lamb.
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Maybe maybe I have a couple tuddies. I think Micah
Parson's gonna have a couple sacks. And the defense, hey,
no movement up front. That's because the Giants don't have
a bunch of a run game. But don't let it
cloud the fact that the last five playoff teams Dallas's face,
they're one in four Baltimore, Buffalo, Green Bay, Detroit, Miami.
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They're one and four in a bad call against the
Lions from being zero to five and been routed in
most of them. So don't let don't let the win tonight,
and they're gonna win tonight. Don't let it freak you out.
So I thought. You know, I do about four times
during the season, I do a Super Bowl bubble, and
so let's just look, we're this is week four, the
start of week four, and this is currently my Super
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Bowl bubble for the radio audience. I have six teams,
seven teams inside the bubble. Their favorites Kansas City, Buffalo,
Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit, Yeat. I buy the Vikings, Baltimore,
San Francisco. I have the Jets, the Seahawks, and the
Philadelphia I'm letting them lean on the fence at this ranch.
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I'm letting them lean on the fence. I may let
them into the property.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Dallas.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I don't even have the Saints on this. And they
crushed Dallas in Dallas, blew them out right, So this
is Dallas. Isn't even allowed into the county lines here,
so not even I don't even think they're close. And
I've said this before. I think it used to be
in the NFL, that quirky and weird, you know, Jerry Glanville,
a little over the top guy, Dennis Green, I think
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a quirky and different and unique Sam wish. You can
get super bowls, you can win a division, you can
win a lot of games. I think the NFL has
gotten smarter, more sophisticated, more business like, more, more analytics.
Though it's not baseball where it's made the game boring.
But I think when the NFL family owned and operated,
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that used to be like prideful. Hey we're family owned
and operated. That's for a deli. I don't think that works.
I think you have to be staying Cromkey and be
the biggest residential and commercial real estate owner in America,
maybe the world. That's that's what you need. Now family
owned and operated is like the Raiders, Like, I don't know,
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does that feel bus dynamic. I've said the NFL allowed quirky,
and this happens all the time in a lot of businesses.
Quirky and weird is okay. In Hollywood that used to
play and now it's like The Avengers Part nine, it's
basically the independent film. Yeah, finance it yourself with your money.
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And I think that's why Hollywood has slowed down. It's
like big streamers and big movies and we're not making
anything else. And I think quirky and weird and highly emotional,
and I think that stuff it doesn't it's cute, but
it just doesn't win enough. And I think that's what
the Lakers have become, and I think it's what the
Cowboys have become. Family owned businesses, and this is not
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a family owned business league as much. It's the biggest
and the richest that are winning. And I look at today,
if you look at the schedule for Dallas, let's be honest,
it only gets tougher. This is the last layup. I
thought Pittsburgh would be. Yeah's wrong about that. They're gonna
go four and Oh so at Pittsburgh against the league's
best defense. Oh that it's the Lions. And then it's
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at San Francisco and at Atlanta, and here's Philly and
c J. Stroud and oh crap, Jayden Daniels is good.
Oh Joe Burrow, this is the last layup. Cleveland was
a layup. You thought the Saints would be a lap
got blown out, Baltimore wasn't lost. And then they have
the Giants DAK twelve and two. So, and what's funny
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is Dallas has always held themselves because of their regular
season wins as sort of above the dysfunctional guys, you know,
the losers. But Dallas has not won multiple playoff games
in twenty nine years. So this morning I went and
looked at the dysfunctional teams over twenty nine years. In
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the Cowboys over twenty nine years. Let's take the Chicago
Bears last twenty nine seasons. They actually have two conference
championship appearances. The Cowboys have none. Okay, okay. What about
the Jaguars, Well, they actually have eight playoff wins. The
Cowboys have five in twenty nine years. They have three
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conference championships appearances. Oh, the Cowboys have none. Okay, okay,
but what about the Carolina Panthers. Those guys are a mess.
That's a circus. Hey, hey, they have almost double the
playoff wins and four conference championship appearances. The Cowboys have none.
All right, all right, okay, you win the argument, Colin.
Give me the Raiders. Ooh, they have two conference championship
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appearances and almost the same number of playoff wins. Dallas,
I know you look down at them last twenty nine years.
You are them, That's what you are. So don't go
crazy with the win tonight. I'll go twenty four to
thirteen Cowboys. Micah sack lamb big night, Dak, you know,
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doing Dak's thing. In a standalone game against the Giants,
but Micah Parson says he's tired of getting beat badly
by good teams.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I feel like as a competitive at some point you've
got to be prideful enough to say, hey, Bud, I'm
not going to have them to me, like I just
feel like some people would just align them to keep
getting smacked in the face, like when are you going
to stand up?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
All right? So unfortunately many of you are misguided and
think I don't like Aaron Rodgers. But I did have
them leaning on the fence in the Super Bowl bubble,
not quite in the ranch, but pet and the horses
right right, put some carrots over the fence. The dogs
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are barking at you, Dallas. I don't even I don't
even let them down the driveway. But Aaron Rodgers said
something that's important, and it's really really important because Aaron
has experience with this and the Jets have none, and
Aaron talks about and he's totally right, and this is
his real value, by the way, this is where Aaron
Rodgers is really valuable to the Jets. Aaron Rodgers was
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important to the Packers, but Jordan Love, Malik Willis Brett
Farr Packers win a lot of games regardless. This is
where Aaron's really important, not about the losing. It's now
that the Jets are winning, how to handle it.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I go back to this quote alive, but Mike McCarthy
said our biggest, our biggest struggle is going to be
handling success back in two thousand and six in Green Bay,
and there's a lot to that. I think, you know,
when it's easier when you're kind of getting kicked in
the teeth to kind of come together. It's us against
the world, it's us against the big bad media who's
saying how bad we are. You know, we can kind
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of come together. But can you still come together and
have the same approach when everybody's kind of starting to
sing your praises a little bit? I think that's the
mark of a great team. Can you handle the success
part with the same focus, the same mentality, the same mindset,
the same energy when you're starting to get on a
little bit of a role.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Aaron's right, and this is his real value because Aaron
is a winner and the Jets aren't. And Jet fans
and Jets media, but mostly their fans, they're crazy town.
I mean, the Cowboys win twelve games every regular season, right,
three straight years, twelve twelve twelve, real success until like January,
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but real success. And when Dallas Cowboy fans were pulled
in the athletic recently, sixty percent said we have no
chance to win a super Bowl. The New York Jets
beat a rookie head coach to Kobe Brissett at home
this past Thursday, and the mayor of New York, you know,
if he wasn't being indicted, would have thrown a ticker
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tape parade. They're nuts, they're crazy. Before the season, I
said the Jets are nine to ten win, team Buffalo
wins the division, they'll battle Miami till the very end
for a playoff spot. I feel the exact same, the
exact same today. But if you go back to that
Patriots game and Aaron talks about containing a restraining yourself,
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containing yourself right when you're winning. Robert Sala, the head coach,
was so enthusiastic in the second quarter, just with a
lead over the Patriots. Aaron Rodgers, you remember the video
had to go bro bro bro, chill out. It's the Patriots,
it's the second quarter. It's just or in the middle
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of the game. We're not the halftime yet. So maybe
it's because the Jets share a city with the Giants
who have four trophies, or their primary rival is the
Patriots and they have six trophies. So maybe that Thursday
night win, A winning record's a big deal. I mean,
if you never had any money and you want to
scratch off ticket for fifteen hundred bucks, it would be
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a big deal. If you're forty four years old, a
guy you've never really really had a serious girlfriend and
you have a great date, it is a big deal.
The Giant success, the Patriot success. But when I look
at Aaron, this is Aaron's real value. I mean, I
looked this up this morning. I still can't believe the
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Jets haven't won the division in twenty two years. This
is the NFL. The Lions got to a conference championship
last year. The Jaguars have been to three of those things,
right in twenty nine years. Jets haven't won a division
in twenty two years. So when Aaron says, chill, relax,
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it was a little condescending in Green Bay because they
had more continuity and a better coach and more franchise momentum.
But when Aaron says R E. Lax in New York,
he's absolutely, inarguably correct. This team, this head coach was
freaking out with a lead on Thursday over Jacoby Brissett,
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a team in New England that we had said before
the season started, we'll have the number one pick next year.
He's right on that, and that's his real value. All right.
So yesterday on the show, we were talking about something.
J Mack brought this up, one of his very decisive
his wisdom. We were talking about quarterback plays and how
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I if it all matters in life for quarterbacks. I
don't care about your talent, your resume. What I care
about a minute forty five left, fourth quarter, you trail
on the road, one time out? Who would you take
one through ten? So I'm gonna do that next. And
by the way, many of them are the best quarterbacks
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in the league. But that's that's the difference. I don't
care about your resume. I don't care about all that stuff.
Buck forty five, one time out, trail by four on
the road, gotta get it into the end zone. Not
interested in field goals. Okay, So I'll do that next.
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So J Mack created this yesterday. By the way, you're
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of the bull Jay Max started this yesterday when he
talked about we were talking about quarterbacks, and I said,
you know, a minute forty five left, you trail your
on the road field goal doesn't win it one time out?
Who would you take Gardner Minshew or Deshaun Watson? And
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I would say I would take Gardner Minshew today. Would
you take Baker Mayfield or Trevor Lawrence. I would take
Baker Mayfield today. I don't care about your contract, your resume,
your draft status. I don't care right now. I'd take
Sam Darnold from what I've seen the first three weeks
over a lot of quarterbacks who are viewed as better quarterbacks.
And it's almost how you judge friends. A friend will
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help you move, A great friend will help you move
a body I lived in Vegas. I'm not going to
get into it. So there's a difference, and I judge
it based on crisis. The all time greats, Joe Montana,
Brady Elway, all did one thing in common, some big,
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some small, some big arms, some mobile, one thing in common.
Brady Mahomes, Lway great in crisis. A lot of guys
are talented, they're not great in crisis. And so my
top ten quarterbacks based on this premise, because that's what
I'm paying for. I'm not paying for your resume. Jalen
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Hurts got a great resume. It turns them all over
too much. Can I trust him? And now he lost
a great center and now he didn't have aj Brown?
Would I trust him today in a drive? Not really?
With Nick Sirianni Okay, So here we go the King
on this. He's the l Way. He is the Brady
of his generation. It's Mahomes. Let's not argue it. That
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forty four yard game time drive with thirteen seconds left
is the greatest last second, limited time scarcity drive in
the history of football. And it really is defining. I
mean he's really especially in the early years when he
had a high powered offense. I mean he trailed playoff
games by two touchdowns. Nobody cared. Didn't change the way
you attacked him. Number two, and I think his superpower
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is if you got to pick up yards down the field,
best arm in the league, Josh Allen also great scrambling.
I think mobility matters a lot in that minute forty
five go to Mahomes' Super Bowl games. Mobility matters in
these spots because stuff breaks down sometimes the Steve Spagnolah's
going to bring the house. Kirk Cousins, I love him.
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I don't get any mobility with him. Josh Allen too.
Joe Burrow, I get just enough mobility. And I also
think he got to a Super Bowl with road wins
with an atrocious offensive line and was running for his life.
That to me defined Burrow as less talent than maybe Mahomes,
less physical wow than Alan, but his ability to win
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with bad old lines. And we don't know if Zach
Taylor can coach puts him at three, one spot ahead
of a guy that doesn't give me the mobility of Burrow,
Matt Stafford. But Stafford leads all quarterbacks currently playing with
thirty six fourth quarter comebacks. He had another one Sunday.
This is his superpower is like Mahomes, arm angles, throw
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it from any platform. I don't get mobility. And if
the pocket collapses, he's in trouble. But I put him four.
I put Aaron Rodgers just a notch below, because now
Aaron is good, but I've never thought he's as great
trailing as an l Way, Mahomes Brady or a Matt Stafford.
I will say though, in the last two years, half
his wins our game winning drive, so he's gotten better
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at it. Number six and now it gets tricky because
I feel strongly about the first five, probably CJ. Stroud.
Now I don't have a big resume to work with,
and he's had a couple stinkers. These young quarterbacks Minnesota game,
they have stinkers. They go sideways fast for these young quarterbacks.
Seventy five yard game winning drive forty seconds against the Bucks,
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like it's impressive. I'm sorry. Greg Cosel talks about it
this week. Last week, the kids just different. I would
say number seven. Again, I don't have a huge resume,
but I love Jordan Love. He had three game winning
drives last year in his first full season as a starter,
and in the playoffs, his first first time go to
the playoffs. He had a ninety nine passer rating and
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sixty seven percent completion ratio with the youngest offensive team,
youngest roster since the nineteen seventy Buffalo Bills in the playoffs.
I know what's young, but between Lafleur, the youth, his mobility.
Now he's gonna have again, He's gonna throw some picks.
He's more far than Aaron Rodgers. He's got some gunslinger
in him. But I would puteven I will tell you
this is where brought Purty won me over last week.
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Last week was a proving point, no Christian McCaffrey, no debo,
no Kittle against Stafford and McVeigh. He didn't win the game,
but he won me over. I was like, Wow. And
by the way, Brock Purty highest fourth quarter passer rating
in league history. That's something, folks, I don't know if
it's kase Shanahant. That's the highest fourth quarter passer rating
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in the history of the league. I know, I know
he hasn't played a lot. He's played enough to know
some of that's relevant. Number nine. I may criticize Dak,
but he was three to zero and one score games
last year. Now they get their teeth kicked in about
four times a year in the blowouts. He can be ugly,
but in close games, Dak's a grown up. Dak generally
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throws to the right guy. I don't think he has
the biggest arm. He doesn't move around like Kyler Murray.
But I just trust the IQ, the EQ. You know,
the intangibles for Dak are better than the Tan. But
in tangibles, Eli Manning was like that. I didn't love Eli.
I loved him in a minute forty to go. I
loved him in Super Bowls. Dak's got some of that quality.
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I always trust Dak in tight spots. His limitations aren't
his ability to maneuver. Late number ten by a nose,
Lamar Jackson over Jared Goff. Goff gives me no mobility.
If the pocket breaks down, You're done. Now. Lamar hasn't
been as successful as you think he has late, but
it should be noted in the last two minutes of
his career, Lamar is a one twenty passer rating. I
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hate to break it to you. He's good there now.
I do not think. I do not think he throws
from the pocket as well as an Aaron or a
Stafford or a Mahomes, and sometimes not as good as Dak.
But I love his ability to just make stuff up.
So I do give Josh Allen improvisation, Lamar Jackson, it
does matter. Jared Goff would be eleven. Then you get
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into the Jalen hurt stuff. But that these are the
These are the guys. I don't care about resume of
playoff appearance. I don't care who do you trust on
the road. Need a tuddy minute forty five one time
out and facing a decent defense. I'm not saying you're
facing Spags and the Chiefs, but you're facing a defense
that can create a pass rush. This is and I
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will say this with Aaron and Stafford, they may not
move as well, but they are so good pre snap
that they can alleviate stuff. Or as Jared Goff, I
don't think moves as well as those two, and I
don't think he's as good pre snap. So there's my
top ten. And yes I have pretty and Deck in there.
So again, if this is not about arm, it's not
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about size, it's not about it's just who do I
trust and what you'll see with these ten guys, you
mostly get grown ups. There's ten for ten grown ups.
Guys that love football, live football, obsessed by football, all
in on football, not distracted by anything else. A lot
of grown ups here. And I know Aaron in the
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offseason goes to Egypt, But in the season, Aaron's buttoned
up in the season. And that's what I really You know,
you want to go to Costa Rican, hang out for
a month and disappear. I'm I'm not going to spend
a lot of time. I don't care about that does
not that much, all right, Jay mc anything jump out
at you.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I went over to Pro Football Reference.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
I think you'd be surprised which quarterback led the NFL
last year in game winning drives in the fourth quarter
overtime and he is not in your top ten and
you did not mention him once.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Who is it?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Geno Smith topping.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts who were tied at four.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
But if I said to you, I just said to you,
top of mind. There you give me the last great
Gino road fourth quarter comeback? Anything poppingto your head, that's it? Yeah,
so again stats and you know it's one thing at
home to be beat in Arizona. What Gino doesn't come
top of mind is now, I will say Gino is
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a very accurate quarterback. We just have to get over this.
That dude stands in the pocket and throws seventy three
percent arts. I've been harder on Gino because I do
think there's a ceiling with him, and so I didn't
mention him.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I would have pretty a little higher. I would have
Stafford probably at two.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
When I showed this to the guys on the facility,
they all went, hey, Stafford's one a.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
After I'm all Stafford's demanded. He's so good.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Come on now, J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
No, no, hear on the news.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
All right.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
We glossed over Patrick Mahomes at the top of your list. Well,
his top target for many years. Travis Kelcey is off
to an abysmble start.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
He has eight catches for sixty nine everybody's favorite number,
sixty nine yards, no touchdowns. Kelsey, though, was asked about it,
and he's not worried about it because the only sat.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
He cares about winning.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
I've had a lot of catches in this league, man,
I'm not worried about, you know, the catches and the
yards and all of that. I have the most fun
when I get the ball thrown my way. I mean,
who does executions has everything to do with execution. Just
making sure that we're doing whatever we can to win
these football games. Man, that's always going to be the goal.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Okay. So I talked to a league executive last night
regarding this, and his take was, he had a great offseason,
he is playing himself in the great shape, and he'll
probably do it. But the sense was, don't see a
lot of separation. He has been distracted. It's okay, but
the takeaway was when you looked at early film, is
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not a lot of separation.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
You don't see the juice in the speed. I don't
see any of it. Now, let's point out his age, Colin,
So he is thirty four right now, he's approaching that
age when you start to think about retirement.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I think he's got two more good years. Tight ends
age faster than receivers often because of the blocking and
the injuries. He's had multiple surgeries.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
I went to pro football references now and Shannon Sharp
retired at thirty five, Tony Gonzalez thirty seven, than Greg
Olsen thirty five, and now.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Ronk twenty nine came.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Back retired at thirty two. So Kelsey's in that sweet spot.
Let me let me defend Kelsey a little bit here
is that I do believe Kansas City early in this
season is trying to get Worthy up to speed and
Rashie Rice as a defined number one. Last year, Let's
be honest, it's kind of shocking them on the super Bowl.
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They're the worst receiving core in the league. So I
think between Worthy, between Watson, Juju Smith has now come back.
So what I think they're doing is thinking to themselves,
we got a little experimentation earliness, We want to get
the receiving core right. We trust Kelsey later, so I'm
going to get him a little pass on this is
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I think the Worthy thing is a work in progress.
I think Juju Smith Schuster just came back. That's a
bit of a work in progress. And Rashi Rice was
never viewed as a one until this year. I think
they've spent a lot of time really. I mean, you
saw the last game they play. They're they're defining Rashi
as a one, and they want to make sure that
he knows he's a one. So there's a little this
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is a process for them, and I'll defend him a
little on that.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
So Kelsey turns thirty five in like ten days.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, multiple surgeries.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
If they win the super Bowl, there's no better way
to walk away than on top.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
With three straight Super Bowls, Right, What does he have
left to prove?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Nothing?
Speaker 6 (25:24):
He can go do his acting in his podcast and
travel the world with Taylor Swift, Like, I would not
be shocked if you retired after this season.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
What does he have left to prove? Call him if
they win another Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Nothing?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, I don't think he could be the greatest.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Headed Well, and the podcast just got bought, so they
got a lot of money. So's he's fine. I think
he likes I think here's what Travis sees. The NFL
and the Chiefs are a huge brand. Just keeping your
face out there makes your endorsements double what they would
be if you retired. You get ten million for a
shoe company instead of five because your face is there.
In the bottom line is if your production goes down
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and now Worthy becomes a legitimate two. If you drafting
a receiver, they become a legitimate three. They've got another
tight end now. So it's there is value to having
an Edelman a Gronk as an older player for January,
and that's what this thought, that's all the Chiefs, That's
what the Chiefs are.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
I don't know Travis Kelce, but it seems like he
has a lot of interests outside of football that are
kind of starting to mushroom up as his fame grows.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And there's nothing wrong with that, Like explore it.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
You know.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Let's get to the Chicago Bears call in. Their offense
has not been particularly crisp to start the season.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Caleb Williams made a.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Career in college out of just extending plays a lot
of that backyard football highlight reel stuff. But Caleb says
he hasn't had the urge to start playing hero ball
just yet in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I don't fight any feelings of that.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
You know, I'm more of a guy that And I
said this. I was talking to Shane this morning. I mean,
and like you I just said before, communication wise, just
talking to him this morning, it was like, I gotta
throw the ball fifty times.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I got throw the ball fifty times.
Speaker 9 (27:06):
But if we're in a flow and we're running the ball,
we're getting four yards of pop on the play and
things like that. You know, let's keep let's keep handing
the ball off to our running backs and let them
be special. Like I said on you know, Sunday after
the game, whatever it takes to win the game is
what I'm gonna do and what I'm happy to do.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I like that and that and that's I think the
great quarterbacks may get their feelings hurt. Peyton Manning may
get his feelings hurt. But if you go and say
we've got Edgar and James this week, we're running, I mean,
like sometimes it is and I do think it's hard
for a Marino in lway Ma Holmes. But I think Patrick,
especially once you've been paid and as a number one pick,
(27:44):
you got a little money there. I think once you
get paid, you realize it's about wins. But I think
when you're a young quarterback and haven't been paid and
like Lamar was going through that, am I gonna get
the money? It's like you do want to show your
stuff and go, hey, hey, I can let me throw more.
But I do think the older you get, the more
secure you get, you come to the realization WS solve everything.
(28:06):
You get three four times the endorsements. Caleb Williams can
throw eighteen times a game for the next five years
if he reaches a conference championship, he'll have significantly more
endorsements than throwing for six thousand yards a year.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Yeah, it's like it's a mentality thing. I see what
the defense is giving me. I'm just gonna take it
as opposed to I'm gonna try to make a fifty
yard bomb to Dj Moore. I do recall Brock Purdy
running around a lot against the Rams, remember in this
past weekend. So there's a world where Caleb is doing
that kind of thing. I don't love that. That's how
you get hurt. You know this, Colin. You want your
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quarterback winning from the pocket, not scrambling around, run to
outrun linebackers. And Jayden Daniels remember first game ran a lot.
He's doaled it back winning from the pocket. Can Caleb
do the same?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, Well, well, Jayden's offensive line's been better than Caleb's. Also,
Caleb's a lot running for safety.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Final story, Colin is tonight's game New York Giants against
the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Daniel Jones there he is.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
They stuck within this offseason, despite they were looking at
rookie quarterbacks in the draft.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
New York one and two after.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
The win over the Browns and wide receiver Darius Slayton
still believes in his quarterback, thinking he can get back
to the style of play that earned Jones' big contract.
Slayton said, it's still in DJ and I think there
are times where you still see flashes of that where
we spent two years of Giants coaches just trying to
play defense and not make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Ask yourself this, how many quarterbacks in like year five
pop in.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
The greatness Gino Smith And that's maybe.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
He's not popping into greatness. He made a Pro Bowl,
they made the playoffs. He was that's not greatness. Who
makes the playoffs? When's the last quarterback that went five?
Year five? You're like, that's an All timer?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Oh, that doesn't come on.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
That doesn't happen. Same in the NBA. You can tell
Yannis by year three, You're like, this guy's getting good
real fast. And that was a slow actually Steph Curry
slow start due to the injuries and then came on.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
But I don't know. I don't think he needs to
be an all timer. He just got to be better
than what he has been.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Right well, for what you're paying him in the commitment,
you need a playoff quarterback. This division's worse than people think.
Dallas is regressing, Washington's been dysfunctional, Philadelphia didn't probably have
the right coach. Gotta be a playoff quarterback in this division.
But this is not the NFC North, where between Detroit, Minnesota,
Green Bay you have three of the best offenses potentially
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in the league. That's not what this division is. They're
dysfunction all over this. You gotta you gotta, you gotta
get to the playoffs if you're a legitimate franchise quarterback.
I mean, good God, Mitch Trubisky got to it twice,
and Aaron and Stafford win the division.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I don't think he won either of them.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Right, Well, I think Daniel's better than Mitch, but I think,
oh really, yeah, yeah, he throws a better ball.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Again. I know I'm a giant hater, but I will
give Jones credit.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Last two weeks U two touchdowns, zero giveaways back to
weeks for the first time in his career.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Sons, your well done.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Danny Dimes nicely going to be negative on this show.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Go Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
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Speaker 5 (31:18):
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Speaker 6 (31:23):
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Speaker 1 (31:44):
So Steeler fans who've lowered their standards over the years
of just accepting, hey, we're not under five hundred, but
I do think it's a well run franchise and Mike Tomlin,
like a Pete Carroll's gonna get Hall of Fame votes
and if they ended up there, no problem at all.
Mike's Pete smart guys. But the Steelers' offense is bad
and one of the criticisms I have had about defensive coaches,
(32:06):
they don't sense the urgency that offensive coaches do. Pete Carroll,
Gino and Drew Lock are good enough. No, they're not.
Sean McVay moved off Jared Goff, who's significantly better than
Gino and Drew Locke. Andy Reid moved off Alex Smith,
who was getting Kansas City to the playoffs for a
rookie with the losing record from the Big Twelve, like
(32:29):
Ron Rivera Sam Howe can get me there, Belichick, I
won't cater to Tom Brady Sean Payton one year a
Russell Wilson get him out of here. So it's different.
And I so here's my question. The Steelers are going
to go four oh, they're gonna beat Indianapolis. Anthony Richardson's
not moving the chains, not moving the sticks against this team.
(32:50):
They're gonna be four and oh, meaning they can be
five hundred the rest of the year and win six,
ten and six six heading into the final game. What
happens if Justin Fields ghosts ten and seven, eleven and
six to see the guy. Don't confuse great story with
(33:10):
great quarterback Baker's redemption, Gino's redemption, Derek Carr Justin Fields, Now,
it's a great story. They're not great quarterbacks, and in
a division with Lamar and Burrow, in a conference with
Josh Allen and Mahomes, you need a great quarterback. C J.
Stroud is a great quarterback. Baker Gino and Justin Fields.
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This is a great story. It's encouraging the story of redemption.
And now here's the good news for Pittsburgh. They got
to the playoffs with Kenny Pickett and dumped him. So
that's an encouraging sign is that they didn't just go, well,
we made the playoffs. You get that a lot, I
feel like with defensive coaches. But what if Justin gets
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them to the playoffs. Well, Mitch Trubisky made the player twice,
you're gonna make him the future of the franchise. He
got to the playoffs twice with Stafford and Aaron Rodgers
in his division in their prime. So that's the thing
with Justin Fields. If you look at the schedule right
now for the Pittsburgh Steelers, this is the last layup Dallas. Well, no,
(34:20):
I shouldn't say that. They face the Raiders, but there's
some real toughies here. It's Dallas, it's Aaron Rodgers, Jayden Daniels,
now Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow's coming up. Philadelphia ball. The
end of the season. This has always been about the
end of the season. Atlanta, Kirk Cousins couldn't move in
Week one. Bit of a layup Denver rookie quarterback, bit
(34:42):
of a layup Justin Herbert fifty percent, little bit of
a layup in Indianapolis. I don't care where that game's at.
Anthony richards In the really struggle to move the ball.
So it just can't be about well we made the playoffs.
Don't confuse great story with great quarterback, Lamar Burrow in
the great stories aren't doing over the course of six
(35:03):
seven years, They're not doing anything. And I'm not even
counting yet Herbert when he gets healthy with Jim Harbaugh,
that feels like it could be great. Here's Mike Tomlin
on the relationship and his young quarterback, Justin Fields.
Speaker 10 (35:19):
Now.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
I want him to see him improve at all areas,
to be quite honest with you, you know, knowing what
those areas of needing improvement are are difficult sometimes when
you don't have a shared experience, and so a component
of me getting to know him is just maintaining that posture,
challenging him to improve in all areas. And as we
gain more experience together, I'll be able to narrow that
(35:41):
focus on things that become repetitive or trending.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
He's so good at the microphone. Caitlin Clark season wrapped
up last night. Her team lost. WNBA doesn't quite know
how to officiate her, how to market her, how to
promote her, what else. She called her first season solid,
it was more than that. Here's what's amazing though about
Caitlyn Clark is that because the college basketball season, if
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you're on a good team like Caitlyn was, ends in
early April, the draft, and then the camp starts in
the WNBA April twenty eighth, you get no break. So
Caitlin was exhausted. It's not the way the NBA works.
Hit two three months rest, combine get so it's now
the season shorter than the NBA season, but you get
(36:30):
no rest. Your final four Elite eight into draft, go play.
So Caitlyn Clark in the first half of the season
before the Olympic break, what's remarkable is how much she improved.
So before the Olympic break she was seventeen to eight
a game and not shooting particularly well and a lot
(36:51):
of turnovers. After the break, she's one of the best
players in the league nine as sists her shooting went
through the roof considerably and then twenty three a game
she got MVP votes, Like, so that is something. Think
how great Yannis is he was slow build. Think how
good Jokic was. Slow build didn't come to the state's
(37:14):
first year right, like stayed over there. Those are great
all time players. There's three to give you an NBA
comp on what she did. How phenomenal it is. The
three NBA players I look at, and this is almost
always a sign of a dominant player in the NBA. Now,
when you're an NBA player, you come out of high
school or one year of college, you don't even have
(37:35):
the travel right, you're nutrition right, you know, you can't
drink in the hotel bar. It's a lot. But there's
three NBA players that literally exploded in their rookie year
once they got their legs under him. Aunt, Lebron, and
Wemby were different players at the end of the year
than they were in the first week. It took Lebron
two months, it took Wemby three months, and it took
(37:58):
ant the All Star Game and it was like a
completely different player. And you're like, oh, he's not just
a talented kid from a football school. It's like, this
guy's gonna be unbelievable a year or two. And I
think that's really something that's a that's a sign of guaranteed.
And we see this in the NFL second game.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
C J.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Stroud plays WHOA Okay, the first game, he's trying to
get his sea legs. It's not exhibition season. Second game,
You're like, Wow, Kyler Murray, justin Herbert, you know. So
Caitlin Clark's ascension in season is aunt Lebron and Wemby.
She was a completely different player at the end of
the year. Even great players in this league, the Jason Tatum's,
(38:36):
the Yannis, the Jokich, there's a lot of slow growth
stuff because guy's coming to the league young. Here was
Caitlyn on her season and her future.
Speaker 10 (38:47):
Good a little taste of, you know, what's possible for
this organization and for this franchise, and there's a lot
for us to you know, hold our heads high thout.
You know, this team won five games two years ago.
So we're a young group, a pretty inexperienced group. But
we came together and I had a lot of fun
playing with one another. And that's sometimes the worst part
(39:09):
of it is like you feel like you're really playing
your best basketball and then it has to end. But
like I said, proud of this group stayed resilient all
year and I had a lot of fun together.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
I mean, the Aunt Edwards comp is real. Like his
before the All Star Game, Ant was fifty in a game.
After it, he was twenty four and more efficient. He
jumped and dunked both sides. But it was like Ant
just was absolutely different. After he got a little break,
took a deep breath, it was like, whoa this kid is,
Like he's going to leave the NBA in scoring. So
(39:42):
even for the greatest players, it takes a few weeks
or months. So I give the WNBA players that come
out of college, the rookies, they're just not ready for it.
They got to figure out the pace and the travel, emotional,
the physicality, the pacing. So she's really good to pop
like is something she is really a player. Again, the
league doesn't quite know how to officiate her. There's a
(40:05):
lot of bad actors in some of these towns with
WNBA players. I mean, give me a break. It's she's
not the first person as a rookie to be pushed around.
Go ass. Michael Jordan go Ass, Bryce Harper like some
of the stuff people are just She'll be fine. I
think year two will feel different. Legal probably blow some
early whistles, the push and shoven well. But Bryce Harper
(40:27):
two three years in was still dealing with nonsense, fighting
with his own teammates in the dugout. Greg Cosell, Hour two,
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Speaker 2 (00:56):
Listen to me.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I was singing about this. Dallas is gonna win tonight.
Lock it up, Yes, sir, so, Dallas is gonna win
tonight because on these Thursday night games, just take the
better quarterback. Dak Is twelve and two against the Giants.
Daniel Jones one and seven against Dallas. Aaron Rodgers won
big on Thursday night. Josh Allen one big on Thursday Night.
(01:19):
Dak's gonna win. I don't know. I think it's a
touchdown game. Dak's gonna win tonight. You don't have time
to do a lot of prep for Thursday night. Not
a lot of surprises, not a lot of zig zag
best quarterbacks gonna win the game. I'm gonna take Dak
and the Cowboys to win by a touchdown. And you know,
but it's interesting. They may look even really good winning.
I'm gonna go like twenty four to thirteen ce d lamb.
(01:41):
Maybe maybe I have a couple tuddies. I think Micah
Parson's gonna have a couple sacks. And the defense, hey,
no movement up front. That's because the Giants don't have
a bunch of a run game. But don't let it
cloud the fact that the last five playoff teams Dallas's face,
they're one in four Baltimore, Buffalo, Green Bay, Detroit, Miami.
(02:03):
They're one and four in a bad call against the
Lions from being zero to five and been routed in
most of them. So don't let don't let the win tonight,
and they're gonna win tonight. Don't let it freak you out.
So I thought. You know, I do about four times
during the season, I do a Super Bowl bubble, and
so let's just look, we're this is week four, the
start of week four, and this is currently my Super
(02:25):
Bowl bubble for the radio audience. I have six teams,
seven teams inside the bubble. Their favorites Kansas City, Buffalo,
Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit, Yeat. I buy the Vikings, Baltimore,
San Francisco. I have the Jets, the Seahawks, and the
Philadelphia I'm letting them lean on the fence at this ranch.
(02:46):
I'm letting them lean on the fence. I may let
them into the property.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Dallas.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I don't even have the Saints on this. And they
crushed Dallas in Dallas, blew them out right, So this
is Dallas. Isn't even allowed into the county lines here,
so not even I don't even think they're close. And
I've said this before. I think it used to be
in the NFL, that quirky and weird, you know, Jerry Glanville,
a little over the top guy, Dennis Green, I think
(03:12):
a quirky and different and unique Sam wish. You can
get super bowls, you can win a division, you can
win a lot of games. I think the NFL has
gotten smarter, more sophisticated, more business like, more, more analytics.
Though it's not baseball where it's made the game boring.
But I think when the NFL family owned and operated,
(03:36):
that used to be like prideful. Hey we're family owned
and operated. That's for a deli. I don't think that works.
I think you have to be staying Cromkey and be
the biggest residential and commercial real estate owner in America,
maybe the world. That's that's what you need. Now family
owned and operated is like the Raiders, Like, I don't know,
(03:59):
does that feel bus dynamic. I've said the NFL allowed quirky,
and this happens all the time in a lot of businesses.
Quirky and weird is okay. In Hollywood that used to
play and now it's like The Avengers Part nine, it's
basically the independent film. Yeah, finance it yourself with your money.
(04:23):
And I think that's why Hollywood has slowed down. It's
like big streamers and big movies and we're not making
anything else. And I think quirky and weird and highly emotional,
and I think that stuff it doesn't it's cute, but
it just doesn't win enough. And I think that's what
the Lakers have become, and I think it's what the
Cowboys have become. Family owned businesses, and this is not
(04:44):
a family owned business league as much. It's the biggest
and the richest that are winning. And I look at today,
if you look at the schedule for Dallas, let's be honest,
it only gets tougher. This is the last layup. I
thought Pittsburgh would be. Yeah's wrong about that. They're gonna
go four and Oh so at Pittsburgh against the league's
best defense. Oh that it's the Lions. And then it's
(05:05):
at San Francisco and at Atlanta, and here's Philly and
c J. Stroud and oh crap, Jayden Daniels is good.
Oh Joe Burrow, this is the last layup. Cleveland was
a layup. You thought the Saints would be a lap
got blown out, Baltimore wasn't lost. And then they have
the Giants DAK twelve and two. So, and what's funny
(05:27):
is Dallas has always held themselves because of their regular
season wins as sort of above the dysfunctional guys, you know,
the losers. But Dallas has not won multiple playoff games
in twenty nine years. So this morning I went and
looked at the dysfunctional teams over twenty nine years. In
(05:49):
the Cowboys over twenty nine years. Let's take the Chicago
Bears last twenty nine seasons. They actually have two conference
championship appearances. The Cowboys have none. Okay, okay. What about
the Jaguars, Well, they actually have eight playoff wins. The
Cowboys have five in twenty nine years. They have three
(06:11):
conference championships appearances. Oh, the Cowboys have none. Okay, okay,
but what about the Carolina Panthers. Those guys are a mess.
That's a circus. Hey, hey, they have almost double the
playoff wins and four conference championship appearances. The Cowboys have none.
All right, all right, okay, you win the argument, Colin.
Give me the Raiders. Ooh, they have two conference championship
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appearances and almost the same number of playoff wins. Dallas,
I know you look down at them last twenty nine years.
You are them, That's what you are. So don't go
crazy with the win tonight. I'll go twenty four to
thirteen Cowboys. Micah sack lamb big night, Dak, you know,
(07:03):
doing Dak's thing. In a standalone game against the Giants,
but Micah Parson says he's tired of getting beat badly
by good teams.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I feel like as a competitive at some point you've
got to be prideful enough to say, hey, Bud, I'm
not going to have them to me, like I just
feel like some people would just align them to keep
getting smacked in the face, like when are you going
to stand up?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
All right? So unfortunately many of you are misguided and
think I don't like Aaron Rodgers. But I did have
them leaning on the fence in the Super Bowl bubble,
not quite in the ranch, but pet and the horses
right right, put some carrots over the fence. The dogs
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are barking at you, Dallas. I don't even I don't
even let them down the driveway. But Aaron Rodgers said
something that's important, and it's really really important because Aaron
has experience with this and the Jets have none, and
Aaron talks about and he's totally right, and this is
his real value, by the way, this is where Aaron
Rodgers is really valuable to the Jets. Aaron Rodgers was
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important to the Packers, but Jordan Love, Malik Willis Brett
Farr Packers win a lot of games regardless. This is
where Aaron's really important, not about the losing. It's now
that the Jets are winning, how to handle it.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I go back to this quote alive, but Mike McCarthy
said our biggest, our biggest struggle is going to be
handling success back in two thousand and six in Green Bay,
and there's a lot to that. I think, you know,
when it's easier when you're kind of getting kicked in
the teeth to kind of come together. It's us against
the world, it's us against the big bad media who's
saying how bad we are. You know, we can kind
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of come together. But can you still come together and
have the same approach when everybody's kind of starting to
sing your praises a little bit? I think that's the
mark of a great team. Can you handle the success
part with the same focus, the same mentality, the same mindset,
the same energy when you're starting to get on a
little bit of a role.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Aaron's right, and this is his real value because Aaron
is a winner and the Jets aren't. And Jet fans
and Jets media, but mostly their fans, they're crazy town.
I mean, the Cowboys win twelve games every regular season, right,
three straight years, twelve twelve twelve, real success until like January,
(09:33):
but real success. And when Dallas Cowboy fans were pulled
in the athletic recently, sixty percent said we have no
chance to win a super Bowl. The New York Jets
beat a rookie head coach to Kobe Brissett at home
this past Thursday, and the mayor of New York, you know,
if he wasn't being indicted, would have thrown a ticker
(09:54):
tape parade. They're nuts, they're crazy. Before the season, I
said the Jets are nine to ten win, team Buffalo
wins the division, they'll battle Miami till the very end
for a playoff spot. I feel the exact same, the
exact same today. But if you go back to that
Patriots game and Aaron talks about containing a restraining yourself,
(10:14):
containing yourself right when you're winning. Robert Sala, the head coach,
was so enthusiastic in the second quarter, just with a
lead over the Patriots. Aaron Rodgers, you remember the video
had to go bro bro bro, chill out. It's the Patriots,
it's the second quarter. It's just or in the middle
(10:34):
of the game. We're not the halftime yet. So maybe
it's because the Jets share a city with the Giants
who have four trophies, or their primary rival is the
Patriots and they have six trophies. So maybe that Thursday
night win, A winning record's a big deal. I mean,
if you never had any money and you want to
scratch off ticket for fifteen hundred bucks, it would be
(10:55):
a big deal. If you're forty four years old, a
guy you've never really really had a serious girlfriend and
you have a great date, it is a big deal.
The Giant success, the Patriot success. But when I look
at Aaron, this is Aaron's real value. I mean, I
looked this up this morning. I still can't believe the
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Jets haven't won the division in twenty two years. This
is the NFL. The Lions got to a conference championship
last year. The Jaguars have been to three of those things,
right in twenty nine years. Jets haven't won a division
in twenty two years. So when Aaron says, chill, relax,
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it was a little condescending in Green Bay because they
had more continuity and a better coach and more franchise momentum.
But when Aaron says R E. Lax in New York,
he's absolutely, inarguably correct. This team, this head coach was
freaking out with a lead on Thursday over Jacoby Brissett,
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a team in New England that we had said before
the season started, we'll have the number one pick next year.
He's right on that, and that's his real value. All right.
So yesterday on the show, we were talking about something.
J Mack brought this up, one of his very decisive
his wisdom. We were talking about quarterback plays and how
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I if it all matters in life for quarterbacks. I
don't care about your talent, your resume. What I care
about a minute forty five left, fourth quarter, you trail
on the road, one time out? Who would you take
one through ten? So I'm gonna do that next. And
by the way, many of them are the best quarterbacks
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in the league. But that's that's the difference. I don't
care about your resume. I don't care about all that stuff.
Buck forty five, one time out, trail by four on
the road, gotta get it into the end zone. Not
interested in field goals. Okay, So I'll do that next.
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Speaker 1 (13:16):
So J Mack created this yesterday. By the way, you're
entering the Noble Zone sponsored by Credible Great Rates None
of the bull Jay Max started this yesterday when he
talked about we were talking about quarterbacks, and I said,
you know, a minute forty five left, you trail your
on the road field goal doesn't win it one time out?
Who would you take Gardner Minshew or Deshaun Watson? And
(13:37):
I would say I would take Gardner Minshew today. Would
you take Baker Mayfield or Trevor Lawrence. I would take
Baker Mayfield today. I don't care about your contract, your resume,
your draft status. I don't care right now. I'd take
Sam Darnold from what I've seen the first three weeks
over a lot of quarterbacks who are viewed as better quarterbacks.
And it's almost how you judge friends. A friend will
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help you move, A great friend will help you move
a body I lived in Vegas. I'm not going to
get into it. So there's a difference, and I judge
it based on crisis. The all time greats, Joe Montana,
Brady Elway, all did one thing in common, some big,
(14:25):
some small, some big arms, some mobile, one thing in common.
Brady Mahomes, Lway great in crisis. A lot of guys
are talented, they're not great in crisis. And so my
top ten quarterbacks based on this premise, because that's what
I'm paying for. I'm not paying for your resume. Jalen
(14:46):
Hurts got a great resume. It turns them all over
too much. Can I trust him? And now he lost
a great center and now he didn't have aj Brown?
Would I trust him today in a drive? Not really?
With Nick Sirianni Okay, So here we go the King
on this. He's the l Way. He is the Brady
of his generation. It's Mahomes. Let's not argue it. That
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forty four yard game time drive with thirteen seconds left
is the greatest last second, limited time scarcity drive in
the history of football. And it really is defining. I
mean he's really especially in the early years when he
had a high powered offense. I mean he trailed playoff
games by two touchdowns. Nobody cared. Didn't change the way
you attacked him. Number two, and I think his superpower
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is if you got to pick up yards down the field,
best arm in the league, Josh Allen also great scrambling.
I think mobility matters a lot in that minute forty
five go to Mahomes' Super Bowl games. Mobility matters in
these spots because stuff breaks down sometimes the Steve Spagnolah's
going to bring the house. Kirk Cousins, I love him.
(15:54):
I don't get any mobility with him. Josh Allen too.
Joe Burrow, I get just enough mobility. And I also
think he got to a Super Bowl with road wins
with an atrocious offensive line and was running for his life.
That to me defined Burrow as less talent than maybe Mahomes,
less physical wow than Alan, but his ability to win
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with bad old lines. And we don't know if Zach
Taylor can coach puts him at three, one spot ahead
of a guy that doesn't give me the mobility of Burrow,
Matt Stafford. But Stafford leads all quarterbacks currently playing with
thirty six fourth quarter comebacks. He had another one Sunday.
This is his superpower is like Mahomes, arm angles, throw
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it from any platform. I don't get mobility. And if
the pocket collapses, he's in trouble. But I put him four.
I put Aaron Rodgers just a notch below, because now
Aaron is good, but I've never thought he's as great
trailing as an l Way, Mahomes Brady or a Matt Stafford.
I will say though, in the last two years, half
his wins our game winning drive, so he's gotten better
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at it. Number six and now it gets tricky because
I feel strongly about the first five, probably CJ. Stroud.
Now I don't have a big resume to work with,
and he's had a couple stinkers. These young quarterbacks Minnesota game,
they have stinkers. They go sideways fast for these young quarterbacks.
Seventy five yard game winning drive forty seconds against the Bucks,
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like it's impressive. I'm sorry. Greg Cosel talks about it
this week. Last week, the kids just different. I would
say number seven. Again, I don't have a huge resume,
but I love Jordan Love. He had three game winning
drives last year in his first full season as a starter,
and in the playoffs, his first first time go to
the playoffs. He had a ninety nine passer rating and
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sixty seven percent completion ratio with the youngest offensive team,
youngest roster since the nineteen seventy Buffalo Bills in the playoffs.
I know what's young, but between Lafleur, the youth, his mobility.
Now he's gonna have again, He's gonna throw some picks.
He's more far than Aaron Rodgers. He's got some gunslinger
in him. But I would puteven I will tell you
this is where brought Purty won me over last week.
(18:05):
Last week was a proving point, no Christian McCaffrey, no debo,
no Kittle against Stafford and McVeigh. He didn't win the game,
but he won me over. I was like, Wow. And
by the way, Brock Purty highest fourth quarter passer rating
in league history. That's something, folks, I don't know if
it's kase Shanahant. That's the highest fourth quarter passer rating
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in the history of the league. I know, I know
he hasn't played a lot. He's played enough to know
some of that's relevant. Number nine. I may criticize Dak,
but he was three to zero and one score games
last year. Now they get their teeth kicked in about
four times a year in the blowouts. He can be ugly,
but in close games, Dak's a grown up. Dak generally
(18:48):
throws to the right guy. I don't think he has
the biggest arm. He doesn't move around like Kyler Murray.
But I just trust the IQ, the EQ. You know,
the intangibles for Dak are better than the Tan. But
in tangibles, Eli Manning was like that. I didn't love Eli.
I loved him in a minute forty to go. I
loved him in Super Bowls. Dak's got some of that quality.
(19:09):
I always trust Dak in tight spots. His limitations aren't
his ability to maneuver. Late number ten by a nose,
Lamar Jackson over Jared Goff. Goff gives me no mobility.
If the pocket breaks down, You're done. Now. Lamar hasn't
been as successful as you think he has late, but
it should be noted in the last two minutes of
his career, Lamar is a one twenty passer rating. I
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hate to break it to you. He's good there now.
I do not think. I do not think he throws
from the pocket as well as an Aaron or a
Stafford or a Mahomes, and sometimes not as good as Dak.
But I love his ability to just make stuff up.
So I do give Josh Allen improvisation, Lamar Jackson, it
does matter. Jared Goff would be eleven. Then you get
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into the Jalen hurt stuff. But that these are the
These are the guys. I don't care about resume of
playoff appearance. I don't care who do you trust on
the road. Need a tuddy minute forty five one time
out and facing a decent defense. I'm not saying you're
facing Spags and the Chiefs, but you're facing a defense
that can create a pass rush. This is and I
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will say this with Aaron and Stafford, they may not
move as well, but they are so good pre snap
that they can alleviate stuff. Or as Jared Goff, I
don't think moves as well as those two, and I
don't think he's as good pre snap. So there's my
top ten. And yes I have pretty and Deck in there.
So again, if this is not about arm, it's not
(20:37):
about size, it's not about it's just who do I
trust and what you'll see with these ten guys, you
mostly get grown ups. There's ten for ten grown ups.
Guys that love football, live football, obsessed by football, all
in on football, not distracted by anything else. A lot
of grown ups here. And I know Aaron in the
(20:58):
offseason goes to Egypt, But in the season, Aaron's buttoned
up in the season. And that's what I really You know,
you want to go to Costa Rican, hang out for
a month and disappear. I'm I'm not going to spend
a lot of time. I don't care about that does
not that much, all right, Jay mc anything jump out
at you.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I went over to Pro Football Reference.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
I think you'd be surprised which quarterback led the NFL
last year in game winning drives in the fourth quarter
overtime and he is not in your top ten and
you did not mention him once.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Who is it?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Geno Smith topping.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts who were tied at four.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
But if I said to you, I just said to you,
top of mind. There you give me the last great
Gino road fourth quarter comeback? Anything poppingto your head, that's it? Yeah,
so again stats and you know it's one thing at
home to be beat in Arizona. What Gino doesn't come
top of mind is now, I will say Gino is
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a very accurate quarterback. We just have to get over this.
That dude stands in the pocket and throws seventy three
percent arts. I've been harder on Gino because I do
think there's a ceiling with him, and so I didn't
mention him.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I would have pretty a little higher. I would have
Stafford probably at two.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
When I showed this to the guys on the facility,
they all went, hey, Stafford's one a.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
After I'm all Stafford's demanded. He's so good.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Come on now, J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
No, no, hear on the news.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
All right.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
We glossed over Patrick Mahomes at the top of your list. Well,
his top target for many years. Travis Kelcey is off
to an abysmble start.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
He has eight catches for sixty nine everybody's favorite number,
sixty nine yards, no touchdowns. Kelsey, though, was asked about it,
and he's not worried about it because the only sat.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
He cares about winning.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
I've had a lot of catches in this league, man,
I'm not worried about, you know, the catches and the
yards and all of that. I have the most fun
when I get the ball thrown my way. I mean,
who does executions has everything to do with execution. Just
making sure that we're doing whatever we can to win
these football games. Man, that's always going to be the goal.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Okay. So I talked to a league executive last night
regarding this, and his take was, he had a great offseason,
he is playing himself in the great shape, and he'll
probably do it. But the sense was, don't see a
lot of separation. He has been distracted. It's okay, but
the takeaway was when you looked at early film, is
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not a lot of separation.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
You don't see the juice in the speed. I don't
see any of it. Now, let's point out his age, Colin,
So he is thirty four right now, he's approaching that
age when you start to think about retirement.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I think he's got two more good years. Tight ends
age faster than receivers often because of the blocking and
the injuries. He's had multiple surgeries.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
I went to pro football references now and Shannon Sharp
retired at thirty five, Tony Gonzalez thirty seven, than Greg
Olsen thirty five, and now.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Ronk twenty nine came.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Back retired at thirty two. So Kelsey's in that sweet spot.
Let me let me defend Kelsey a little bit here
is that I do believe Kansas City early in this
season is trying to get Worthy up to speed and
Rashie Rice as a defined number one. Last year, Let's
be honest, it's kind of shocking them on the super Bowl.
(24:25):
They're the worst receiving core in the league. So I
think between Worthy, between Watson, Juju Smith has now come back.
So what I think they're doing is thinking to themselves,
we got a little experimentation earliness, We want to get
the receiving core right. We trust Kelsey later, so I'm
going to get him a little pass on this is
(24:45):
I think the Worthy thing is a work in progress.
I think Juju Smith Schuster just came back. That's a
bit of a work in progress. And Rashi Rice was
never viewed as a one until this year. I think
they've spent a lot of time really. I mean, you
saw the last game they play. They're they're defining Rashi
as a one, and they want to make sure that
he knows he's a one. So there's a little this
(25:08):
is a process for them, and I'll defend him a
little on that.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
So Kelsey turns thirty five in like ten days.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, multiple surgeries.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
If they win the super Bowl, there's no better way
to walk away than on top.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
With three straight Super Bowls, Right, What does he have
left to prove?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Nothing?
Speaker 6 (25:24):
He can go do his acting in his podcast and
travel the world with Taylor Swift, Like, I would not
be shocked if you retired after this season.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
What does he have left to prove? Call him if
they win another Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Nothing?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, I don't think he could be the greatest.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Headed Well, and the podcast just got bought, so they
got a lot of money. So's he's fine. I think
he likes I think here's what Travis sees. The NFL
and the Chiefs are a huge brand. Just keeping your
face out there makes your endorsements double what they would
be if you retired. You get ten million for a
shoe company instead of five because your face is there.
In the bottom line is if your production goes down
(26:01):
and now Worthy becomes a legitimate two. If you drafting
a receiver, they become a legitimate three. They've got another
tight end now. So it's there is value to having
an Edelman a Gronk as an older player for January,
and that's what this thought, that's all the Chiefs, That's
what the Chiefs are.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
I don't know Travis Kelce, but it seems like he
has a lot of interests outside of football that are
kind of starting to mushroom up as his fame grows.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And there's nothing wrong with that, Like explore it.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
You know.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Let's get to the Chicago Bears call in. Their offense
has not been particularly crisp to start the season.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Caleb Williams made a.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Career in college out of just extending plays a lot
of that backyard football highlight reel stuff. But Caleb says
he hasn't had the urge to start playing hero ball
just yet in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I don't fight any feelings of that.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
You know, I'm more of a guy that And I
said this. I was talking to Shane this morning. I mean,
and like you I just said before, communication wise, just
talking to him this morning, it was like, I gotta
throw the ball fifty times.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I got throw the ball fifty times.
Speaker 9 (27:06):
But if we're in a flow and we're running the ball,
we're getting four yards of pop on the play and
things like that. You know, let's keep let's keep handing
the ball off to our running backs and let them
be special. Like I said on you know, Sunday after
the game, whatever it takes to win the game is
what I'm gonna do and what I'm happy to do.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I like that and that and that's I think the
great quarterbacks may get their feelings hurt. Peyton Manning may
get his feelings hurt. But if you go and say
we've got Edgar and James this week, we're running, I mean,
like sometimes it is and I do think it's hard
for a Marino in lway Ma Holmes. But I think Patrick,
especially once you've been paid and as a number one pick,
(27:44):
you got a little money there. I think once you
get paid, you realize it's about wins. But I think
when you're a young quarterback and haven't been paid and
like Lamar was going through that, am I gonna get
the money? It's like you do want to show your
stuff and go, hey, hey, I can let me throw more.
But I do think the older you get, the more
secure you get, you come to the realization WS solve everything.
(28:06):
You get three four times the endorsements. Caleb Williams can
throw eighteen times a game for the next five years
if he reaches a conference championship, he'll have significantly more
endorsements than throwing for six thousand yards a year.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Yeah, it's like it's a mentality thing. I see what
the defense is giving me. I'm just gonna take it
as opposed to I'm gonna try to make a fifty
yard bomb to Dj Moore. I do recall Brock Purdy
running around a lot against the Rams, remember in this
past weekend. So there's a world where Caleb is doing
that kind of thing. I don't love that. That's how
you get hurt. You know this, Colin. You want your
(28:39):
quarterback winning from the pocket, not scrambling around, run to
outrun linebackers. And Jayden Daniels remember first game ran a lot.
He's doaled it back winning from the pocket. Can Caleb
do the same?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, Well, well, Jayden's offensive line's been better than Caleb's. Also,
Caleb's a lot running for safety.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Final story, Colin is tonight's game New York Giants against
the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Daniel Jones there he is.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
They stuck within this offseason, despite they were looking at
rookie quarterbacks in the draft.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
New York one and two after.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
The win over the Browns and wide receiver Darius Slayton
still believes in his quarterback, thinking he can get back
to the style of play that earned Jones' big contract.
Slayton said, it's still in DJ and I think there
are times where you still see flashes of that where
we spent two years of Giants coaches just trying to
play defense and not make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Ask yourself this, how many quarterbacks in like year five
pop in.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
The greatness Gino Smith And that's maybe.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
He's not popping into greatness. He made a Pro Bowl,
they made the playoffs. He was that's not greatness. Who
makes the playoffs? When's the last quarterback that went five?
Year five? You're like, that's an All timer?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Oh, that doesn't come on.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
That doesn't happen. Same in the NBA. You can tell
Yannis by year three, You're like, this guy's getting good
real fast. And that was a slow actually Steph Curry
slow start due to the injuries and then came on.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
But I don't know. I don't think he needs to
be an all timer. He just got to be better
than what he has been.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Right well, for what you're paying him in the commitment,
you need a playoff quarterback. This division's worse than people think.
Dallas is regressing, Washington's been dysfunctional, Philadelphia didn't probably have
the right coach. Gotta be a playoff quarterback in this division.
But this is not the NFC North, where between Detroit, Minnesota,
Green Bay you have three of the best offenses potentially
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in the league. That's not what this division is. They're
dysfunction all over this. You gotta you gotta, you gotta
get to the playoffs if you're a legitimate franchise quarterback.
I mean, good God, Mitch Trubisky got to it twice,
and Aaron and Stafford win the division.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I don't think he won either of them.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Right, Well, I think Daniel's better than Mitch, but I think,
oh really, yeah, yeah, he throws a better ball.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Again. I know I'm a giant hater, but I will
give Jones credit.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Last two weeks U two touchdowns, zero giveaways back to
weeks for the first time in his career.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Sons, your well done.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Danny Dimes nicely going to be negative on this show.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Go Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
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Speaker 5 (31:18):
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Speaker 1 (31:44):
So Steeler fans who've lowered their standards over the years
of just accepting, hey, we're not under five hundred, but
I do think it's a well run franchise and Mike Tomlin,
like a Pete Carroll's gonna get Hall of Fame votes
and if they ended up there, no problem at all.
Mike's Pete smart guys. But the Steelers' offense is bad
and one of the criticisms I have had about defensive coaches,
(32:06):
they don't sense the urgency that offensive coaches do. Pete Carroll,
Gino and Drew Lock are good enough. No, they're not.
Sean McVay moved off Jared Goff, who's significantly better than
Gino and Drew Locke. Andy Reid moved off Alex Smith,
who was getting Kansas City to the playoffs for a
rookie with the losing record from the Big Twelve, like
(32:29):
Ron Rivera Sam Howe can get me there, Belichick, I
won't cater to Tom Brady Sean Payton one year a
Russell Wilson get him out of here. So it's different.
And I so here's my question. The Steelers are going
to go four oh, they're gonna beat Indianapolis. Anthony Richardson's
not moving the chains, not moving the sticks against this team.
(32:50):
They're gonna be four and oh, meaning they can be
five hundred the rest of the year and win six,
ten and six six heading into the final game. What
happens if Justin Fields ghosts ten and seven, eleven and
six to see the guy. Don't confuse great story with
(33:10):
great quarterback Baker's redemption, Gino's redemption, Derek Carr Justin Fields, Now,
it's a great story. They're not great quarterbacks, and in
a division with Lamar and Burrow, in a conference with
Josh Allen and Mahomes, you need a great quarterback. C J.
Stroud is a great quarterback. Baker Gino and Justin Fields.
(33:35):
This is a great story. It's encouraging the story of redemption.
And now here's the good news for Pittsburgh. They got
to the playoffs with Kenny Pickett and dumped him. So
that's an encouraging sign is that they didn't just go, well,
we made the playoffs. You get that a lot, I
feel like with defensive coaches. But what if Justin gets
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them to the playoffs. Well, Mitch Trubisky made the player twice,
you're gonna make him the future of the franchise. He
got to the playoffs twice with Stafford and Aaron Rodgers
in his division in their prime. So that's the thing
with Justin Fields. If you look at the schedule right
now for the Pittsburgh Steelers, this is the last layup Dallas. Well, no,
(34:20):
I shouldn't say that. They face the Raiders, but there's
some real toughies here. It's Dallas, it's Aaron Rodgers, Jayden Daniels,
now Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow's coming up. Philadelphia ball. The
end of the season. This has always been about the
end of the season. Atlanta, Kirk Cousins couldn't move in
Week one. Bit of a layup Denver rookie quarterback, bit
(34:42):
of a layup Justin Herbert fifty percent, little bit of
a layup in Indianapolis. I don't care where that game's at.
Anthony richards In the really struggle to move the ball.
So it just can't be about well we made the playoffs.
Don't confuse great story with great quarterback, Lamar Burrow in
the great stories aren't doing over the course of six
(35:03):
seven years, They're not doing anything. And I'm not even
counting yet Herbert when he gets healthy with Jim Harbaugh,
that feels like it could be great. Here's Mike Tomlin
on the relationship and his young quarterback, Justin Fields.
Speaker 10 (35:19):
Now.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
I want him to see him improve at all areas,
to be quite honest with you, you know, knowing what
those areas of needing improvement are are difficult sometimes when
you don't have a shared experience, and so a component
of me getting to know him is just maintaining that posture,
challenging him to improve in all areas. And as we
gain more experience together, I'll be able to narrow that
(35:41):
focus on things that become repetitive or trending.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
He's so good at the microphone. Caitlin Clark season wrapped
up last night. Her team lost. WNBA doesn't quite know
how to officiate her, how to market her, how to
promote her, what else. She called her first season solid,
it was more than that. Here's what's amazing though about
Caitlyn Clark is that because the college basketball season, if
(36:08):
you're on a good team like Caitlyn was, ends in
early April, the draft, and then the camp starts in
the WNBA April twenty eighth, you get no break. So
Caitlin was exhausted. It's not the way the NBA works.
Hit two three months rest, combine get so it's now
the season shorter than the NBA season, but you get
(36:30):
no rest. Your final four Elite eight into draft, go play.
So Caitlyn Clark in the first half of the season
before the Olympic break, what's remarkable is how much she improved.
So before the Olympic break she was seventeen to eight
a game and not shooting particularly well and a lot
(36:51):
of turnovers. After the break, she's one of the best
players in the league nine as sists her shooting went
through the roof considerably and then twenty three a game
she got MVP votes, Like, so that is something. Think
how great Yannis is he was slow build. Think how
good Jokic was. Slow build didn't come to the state's
(37:14):
first year right, like stayed over there. Those are great
all time players. There's three to give you an NBA
comp on what she did. How phenomenal it is. The
three NBA players I look at, and this is almost
always a sign of a dominant player in the NBA. Now,
when you're an NBA player, you come out of high
school or one year of college, you don't even have
(37:35):
the travel right, you're nutrition right, you know, you can't
drink in the hotel bar. It's a lot. But there's
three NBA players that literally exploded in their rookie year
once they got their legs under him. Aunt, Lebron, and
Wemby were different players at the end of the year
than they were in the first week. It took Lebron
two months, it took Wemby three months, and it took
(37:58):
ant the All Star Game and it was like a
completely different player. And you're like, oh, he's not just
a talented kid from a football school. It's like, this
guy's gonna be unbelievable a year or two. And I
think that's really something that's a that's a sign of guaranteed.
And we see this in the NFL second game.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
C J.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Stroud plays WHOA Okay, the first game, he's trying to
get his sea legs. It's not exhibition season. Second game,
You're like, Wow, Kyler Murray, justin Herbert, you know. So
Caitlin Clark's ascension in season is aunt Lebron and Wemby.
She was a completely different player at the end of
the year. Even great players in this league, the Jason Tatum's,
(38:36):
the Yannis, the Jokich, there's a lot of slow growth
stuff because guy's coming to the league young. Here was
Caitlyn on her season and her future.
Speaker 10 (38:47):
Good a little taste of, you know, what's possible for
this organization and for this franchise, and there's a lot
for us to you know, hold our heads high thout.
You know, this team won five games two years ago.
So we're a young group, a pretty inexperienced group. But
we came together and I had a lot of fun
playing with one another. And that's sometimes the worst part
(39:09):
of it is like you feel like you're really playing
your best basketball and then it has to end. But
like I said, proud of this group stayed resilient all
year and I had a lot of fun together.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
I mean, the Aunt Edwards comp is real. Like his
before the All Star Game, Ant was fifty in a game.
After it, he was twenty four and more efficient. He
jumped and dunked both sides. But it was like Ant
just was absolutely different. After he got a little break,
took a deep breath, it was like, whoa this kid is,
Like he's going to leave the NBA in scoring. So
(39:42):
even for the greatest players, it takes a few weeks
or months. So I give the WNBA players that come
out of college, the rookies, they're just not ready for it.
They got to figure out the pace and the travel, emotional,
the physicality, the pacing. So she's really good to pop
like is something she is really a player. Again, the
league doesn't quite know how to officiate her. There's a
(40:05):
lot of bad actors in some of these towns with
WNBA players. I mean, give me a break. It's she's
not the first person as a rookie to be pushed around.
Go ass. Michael Jordan go Ass, Bryce Harper like some
of the stuff people are just She'll be fine. I
think year two will feel different. Legal probably blow some
early whistles, the push and shoven well. But Bryce Harper
(40:27):
two three years in was still dealing with nonsense, fighting
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Good Game is your one-stop shop for the biggest stories in women’s sports. Every day, host Sarah Spain gives you the stories, stakes, stars and stats to keep up with your favorite women’s teams, leagues and athletes. Through thoughtful insight, witty banter, and an all around good time, Sarah and friends break down the latest news, talk about the games you can’t miss, and debate the issues of the day. Don’t miss interviews with the people of the moment, whether they be athletes, coaches, reporters, or celebrity fans.
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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the biggest stories in news, politics and current events with intelligence and humor. From the border crisis, to the madness of cancel culture and far-left missteps, Clay and Buck guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with fun and entertaining conversations and opinions.