September 25, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin gives the Steelers credit for their stability over the years and why Mike Tomlin is the rare exception in today's NFL
He believes it's time to seriously question the Cowboys as "America's Team"
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
We're live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you
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making us part of your day. Carson Palmer stops by today.
Next hour. Joel Platt stops by Bama, Georgia. This weekend
is gigantic, you know, j MC. I was thinking about this, Yes,
but that's pretty busy running around town, and I was
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thinking about, you know, a lot of the NFL. As
I've talked about kids before, the days are long. The
year's fly by, right when you have kids, Some days
last forever. In the NFL, week to week, there's crazy
stuff happening, but at the end of the year, you
kind of know who's going to end up. The best quarterbacks,
best coaches win the division. One of the surprises has
been Pittsburgh, I.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Mean undefeated in this division.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
A lot of people myself included, were like third or
fourth and maybe fourth, and here they are first and undefeated,
and by the way, playing Indianapolis next, it looks like
four and oh. So I don't think it's a coincidence.
And that's where Jay mckau want to start the show today.
So Mike Tomlin's not my favorite coach, but I think
he's more than capable. I kind of put him in
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the the Pete Carroll thing. I think sometimes they're a
bit outdated with offense and offensive coordinators and offensive line,
but they're both like Hall of Fame votes. I'd have
no problem Mike Tomlin Pete Carroll getting into the Hall
of Fame. But the world's changed. Football culture has changed.
It's very offensive, the rules have changed. Sometimes I feel
a little outdated on offense.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But what ebbs.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
But what's interesting is when you watch Mike Tomlin on
this Justice Field situation. So by the way, Russell Wilson
and I think this is reasonable to say there's a
little maintenance with Russell and Russell came there to be
quarterback one and now Justin Fields is on a heater
and when everybody's pressing Mike Tomlin, he's just saying. There's
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his quote yesterday is that there's no need to name
Justin Fields as quarterback.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
One guy's three and zero.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Leeds's a vision best he's ever played, seventy three percent
completion percentage, and Mike Tomlin's like, so what, you couldn't
do that elsewhere? There are three organizations in America that
always in power the coach Miami with Eric Spolstra, San
Antonio with Greg Popovich, and the Steelers with Bill Kawer,
And now Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
That's it. What about Steve Kerr, Hey, Steve.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Kerr has to massage Kevin Durant, Draymond Green. Steve Kerr,
he didn't have total control. He had that locker room.
Steph runs that organization. But what happens is Mike Tomlin
doesn't have to tell the players what they want to. Hear, well,
Collin Lebron left Miami, Colin Kawhi Leonard, Yeah, he left,
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he left San Antonio. Yeah, and those two players are
now on lousy rosters. And by the way, the Heat
and the Spurs have eight titles between the two. How's
your franchise doing the Lakers aren't sniffing a franchise championship in.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
A long time.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And by the way Kawhi Leonard and the Clippers, they
underachieve every year.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I think.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I think the Spurs with Wemby going forward, are going
to have a great decade. And I think the Miami Heat.
By the way, Lebron gave Spolstra crap and why did
he leave? Because Spolstra and pat Riley were in lockstep.
He was like, so, what bye, I see you so
And Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh, you've got like a quarterback dilemma.
The quarterback won the Star is now sitting behind a
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kid who struggled in Pittsburgh, and justin Field is hummon.
I never thought he'd be this accurate. See the field
like this, and it's like Tomlin's like, yeah, we'll figure
it out when it happens, and there's nothing you can do.
And I mean last year, think about this. The Steelers
have had three head coaches in fifty five years. The
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Carolina Panthers have had three and forty eight months. It's
not a coincidence. I looked it up this morning. The
most head coaches last thirty years. Raiders fifteen, Dolphins, Browns thirteen,
Lions twelve. Do you think it's a coincidence? Those teams
are like second tier teams until Detroit the last two years,
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the rest those teams, it's always a circus.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
You think that's a coincidence. So it is.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Mike Tomlin my favorite coach. No, Pete Carroll wasn't at
the end, or Belichick my favorite coach because the world
has changed, the culture's changed. But they're three and zero.
He's always in bolden, he's always empowered. And this Pittsburgh
media there, I mean, give the media credit in Pittsburgh.
They're not giving him a pass. They're pressing among this
every single day. And here's what he said yesterday.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
What more do you need to see from Justin?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Why not name than the starting quarterback?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Because there's no need. You know, I explained to you
the variables of the week. It has not changed. He's
gonna walk in this building with that mindset. Tomorrow, when
Russ gets to an appropriate point of health and we
have a decision to make, I'll make it and I'll
announce it and I'll be really transparent about it. But
until then, I don't care how many ways you guys
asked me, you know, I got no intentions of making
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the decision that's unnecessary at this juncture.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And he doesn't waiver, and he said it six times
and he doesn't care, and he's three and oh and
they're gonna go four to oh and again. Some of
these defensive coaches can drive me nuts, Like Buffalo finally
has a run game seven years in. But I will
say this is Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs, Pittsburgh Steelers.
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They're never in chaos. When they're down, it's brief. They
bounce back up again, and Cleveland doesn't. And the Raiders
to how when's the last time the Raiders were good
or the Browns were consistently good, or the Dolphins were
consistently good? I mean, what decade was that? There is
in a world where players make more and have more
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power and scrub their ig every time they get their
feelings hurt, there is an argument to empower the coach,
even if he's not your favorite coach. Empower the coach.
Here are the Steelers once again in first place with
Mike Tomlin. So I saw this headline, What do the
Cowboys need to focus on to end this losing streak.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Sell the team. You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
You know, I work at a network that has the NFC,
and we put Tom Brady on all these big Cowboy games.
Anybody watched the Niners Rams game this weekend, it was
like seventy percent Niner fans. The Niners, not the Cowboys
travel better than any NFL franchise. Dallas fans they but
they're not as proud and they don't travel like the Niners.
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Why well, because they don't win big road games. What's
the point if you went to your in laws time
and time again and came back driving home in a
bad mood, would you go to your in laws as much?
Last ten big road games for the Cowboys against playoff team,
they're two and eight.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Save your money.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Really, by halftime you'll be getting blown out by Buffalo
or Green Bay or somebody. But to me, Kansas City
and San Francisco reward their fans in January. So I've
said this before. I think Kansas City is America's team
right now. I mean, Taylor Swift could have dated anybody.
You really think it was going to be a somebody
on the Jags. It's Travis Kelsey, number two player on
the number one team in the world.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So, you know, and I.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Look at Dallas and yes, they're still Cowboy fans on
the road. But has anybody else noticed in the last
several years that in Dallas, where they sell out high
school football games, where they have the number one college
football team in the country, the biggest football brand of
Dallas Cowboys, you're seeing twenty five percent of that stadium
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filled with Saints fans and Packer fans and Lions fans.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Here's Stephen Jones talking about it.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Obviously, would prefer to have everybody sitting in that seat
a Cowboys fan, but we're certainly the beneficiary of that
on the road most of the time in terms of,
you know, having large percentages of Cowboy fans and opposing
team stadiums. If we had our preference, honestly, no, I'd
like one hundred percent of them to be Cowboy fans.
But also though that can be unrealistic.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Dallas has not won multiple playoff games in a single
year in twenty nine years. In fact, the last time
the Cowboys won more than a single playoff game, Murphy
Brown was the number one TV show and Hoody and
the Blowfish the number one band. I think that was
Toy Story one. What are they on Toy Story three
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or four or five? Now whatever? Like, at some point
you can't keep telling me this is America's team. And
what's amazing is they've done this. They've regressed with Dak
and Tony Romo. Those are B plus plus A minus quarterbacks.
So it's not like they haven't had a good coach.
Mike McCarthy won a super Bowl. It's not like they
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haven't had good quarterback play. Dak will get out a
handful of Hall of Fame votes, and Tony Romo was
really really good.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
They're both really good.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Better than Andy Dalton and Andy Dalton we saw this
past weekend and Andy Dalton won multiple division titles in
a division with the Ravens and the Steelers, like they're
good players. So it's not just well it's the coach. Now,
they've had a few of those. Well it's the quarterback. Now,
they've been better than average. Like Chicago's been bad, they
can't get quarterback right, Raiders been bad, they can't get
quarterback right. Cleveland's been bad, they can't get anything right.
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But the Cowboys have gotten a lot of the player
stuff right. And you watch those home games for Dallas
now once they're getting blown out at halftime. I mean,
I never knew the Baltimore Ravens traveled much. People that
are there, people you talk to, are like, yeah, it's
kind of a fifty to fifty Ravens crowd of the
fourth quarter doesn't mean you eventually. America loves winners. The
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Cowboys are kind of a loser. I mean when it
comes to January and February. This isn't baseball. There's no
nostalgia in football. We don't care what you did years ago.
Doesn't matter what you do in the regular season. The
Raiders have been to a Super Bowl, the Jags have
been to a conference championship.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Detroit was in one last year. For the Cowboys, you're.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Talking about America's team. America doesn't like losers. They don't
like losers. And in football, January and February is where
winners play, and the Cowboys are never there, all right,
Joe Klatt forty five minutes from.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Now, But they won twelve games. Nobody cares.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Again, like in baseball, you can be a Hall of
Famer Mike Trout be called the best player in the game.
Never win a playoff game, forget a series. That's okay
with baseball. In the NBA, I mean Carmelo Anthony was
a losing player. He can be a first bout. He's
the first baut Hall of Fame player. He's beloved in
the sport. Never made a teammate better. That's basketball. Aesthetics, optics, stylistically,
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that matters in basketball.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm good with it. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
There's a lot of art in basketball. Same with soccer.
If Messi doesn't win the World Cup, it doesn't devalue.
He's the best soccer player on the planet last twenty years.
He and Ronaldo. In baseball, nobody really cares how many
titles Bob Gibson or Sandy Kofax had. But in football,
it's about January and February. That's what it's about. That's
what it's about. Two teams, Kansas City, New England hoisting
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the trophies and Dallas didn't even get in the San
Francisco may lose, but they're getting there. Dallas didn't even
sniff it. They haven't won multiple playoff games.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
In twenty nine years. It's insane.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
And I like Murphy Brown and Whody and the Bulpish
were fine. Then it's now all right we all that
stuff today Jay Manga. Tomorrow in a game that may
have not looked like much tomorrow the Cowboys speaking of
them and the New York Giants. Are you still in
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the Dallas side?
Speaker 6 (12:18):
I bet it at four four and a half, I
think it's gonna start to go up.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
My guess is closed as six.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Okay, so tomorrow a big blowout for Dallas.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You think.
Speaker 8 (12:27):
In New York?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Big blowouty he bounce back and get the dub all right?
At twenty seven seventeens?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
What a Friday show is? Another cowboy loss? Content?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Oh, it's great for content. It's great for content. I've
said this, Aaron Rodgers losing is bad for content. Aaron
winning is good. Oh it's great, it's great. Dallas losing,
I would argues, great for content.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
Is this a Colin right or Colin wrong? Dallas go
falling to one and.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Till I just I think there's a couple numbers out
there I'd keep my eye on. First of all, we
know this underdogs are having the greatest start in the
history of betting.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
Now that will not continue.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Just okay, all.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Right, Like it's not like, you know, fifty two percent
at Dallas.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Well you listen, you know, in the Vegas contest, I
went five to oh last week. So I just thought
i'd mentioned, casually mentioned that I really like the Cowboys
and Bears.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
This week we held that off for thirteen minutes. Will
appreciate that.
Speaker 9 (13:18):
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Speaker 1 (13:25):
You know, the Jade and Daniels game on Monday night.
So there was two Monday night games for people on
the East Coast. It may have been a little late.
Not sure if you saw all of it. I think
people in Washington, DC certainly did. But it was interesting.
It was on the road that's always tough for It
was Joe Burrow in a make or break for the
season game for Cincinnati. It was National TV by the
end of the game. It was a standalone game as
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an underdog, and the kid goes twenty one to twenty three,
one hundred and forty two passer rating, three total touchdowns.
He honestly looked brilliant. Back to back games Washington's offense
no punts and no turnovers. Anybody else watched that game
and kind of thing to themselves.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
We got a c. J.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Stroud thing going on where the number two quarterback pick
is way better than the number one pick. Now, Caleb
Williams is a much bigger, stronger athlete than Bryce Young.
He looks the part and he's gotten gradually better. But
if you start looking at the numbers, and most of
the time with these young quarterback stars, we knew Burrow,
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Kyler Murray justin herbert first game. Even when Mahomes wasn't playing,
you were getting reports and video was leaking on how
good Mahomes was. As he was sitting backing up Lamar Jackson,
you were hearing reports about. And that's what we had
with Jaylen Daniels. With Jayden Daniels, you were getting reports
very early on. Dan Quinn is like, and usually coaches
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slow play a young quarterback. Well, it's a process. You
didn't get that with Jayden Daniels. Dan Quinn was like,
it's kind of blowing us away. Cliff Kingsbury is like,
multiple times Kingsbury went to a podium, this is the
opposite of what you do with rookie quarterbacks. It was like, yeah,
I can't and this guy does everything right. His accuracy's insane.
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That's what they did with like Andrew Luck. When Kobe Fleener,
a tight end for the Colts, went on record like
two weeks into camp and said he memorized the playbook
in two days. I went to Stanford. It took me
a month like that. That's what people said about Elway.
That's what people said. I mean, we're still waiting for
that stuff from Trevor Lawrence. In camp, Washington couldn't control themselves,
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and Kingsbury's been around long enough to know don't hype
a young quarterback. And Kingsbury couldn't help himself, and Dan
Quinn couldn't help himself. These are not like rookie coaches
that are over their skis or Dion Sanders trying to
change the culture in college. And if you look at
Caleb and Jaden Daniels, there are two things that are
not disputable. Caleb is very inaccurate. Jaden is crazy accurate.
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It's not like close. And Caleb is very turnover prone
and Jayden never turns the ball over like those are
big things. So it's one of those.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I mean, c J.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Stroud by a sixth game and Bryce Young by his
third We're like, yeah, I've seen enough to know that
that guy at two is gonna just gonna be better
than the one guy. Now, the one guy may get better,
he may get a better coach, but the two guys great.
Now you're watching Jayden Daniels Monday Night, it's like, yeah,
that's all I need to see. They're only gonna get
better on the offensive line, They're only gonna get better.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Like this is the start of it.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
And Washington can't control themselves, their announcers can't control themselves.
Dan Quinn. So, I don't know what it means for
Caleb Williams, but I'm finding myself with Caleb and he's
better than Bryce Young. I'm not saying it's that, but
I am finding myself one year later saying the same stuff. Well,
he's got to get the right coach, he's got to
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get a better offensive life. So I said about Bryce Young,
and I think Caleb's much better than Bryce show. But
I mean on on, I mean, dan Quinn on the
ascension of Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I definitely understand like our fan base has been waiting,
you know, for the franchise QB, and but I also
want Jaden feeling any ghosts, making sure he understands there's
only one name on the back of that jersey. Uh,
and that's for him. And I don't want any comparison
or any of the other stuff. I think it was
that Teddy Roosevelt quote comparison is the thief of joy.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, but it's really hard when you do what we
do to watch Jaden, to watch Kleb and like it's
not subtle or nuanced. It's like really accurate, not accurate,
no turnovers, lots of turnovers. Great judgment, not great judgment.
Like it's getting like like last year, it's getting really
wide really quickly.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
J Mack with the news. No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 8 (17:49):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
One of the things I love, Colin is we start
talking about these games on Monday for the upcoming week
and then just stuff just can he used to happen
all week. So we're gonna start here with the Philadelphia Eagles, Colin,
two in one, but have made some poor decisions by
their head coach the last two games. Okay, Eagles, big schedule,
tough schedule, Colin, some things are happening right now. And
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in a recent podcast appearance, former Eagle Chris Long, who
carries a lot of weight in Philadelphia, was very critical
of Nick Sirianni's decisions in clutch situations.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
I like Nick.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I think Nick has done a good job. No, really,
I do.
Speaker 9 (18:32):
It's just right now he's kind of under a microscope
because of the decisions he's making.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
Yeah, he's not even calling the game.
Speaker 9 (18:40):
So that's my thing. It's like, you got to own
the feeling of the flow of the game. And to me,
I said on my pod, I would give him a
mirror look in it. This is not the same team,
certainly not yesterday that won the Super Bowl two years ago.
Where you're going to score forty points a game, you
have to sometimes lay up, and when you got Saquon Barkley,
you got to give him the damn ball.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You saw what happened yesterday. Any three our game could
turn to seventy. You know here.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So here's what's funny. We have kind of laughed this
year that Sam Darnold has become what I thought he
would become, right, and so he finally needed the perfect fit. Now.
I think the bubble will burst eventually. Could bubble could
burst in Lambeau this weekend. I think green Bow's Green
is very good. But fans disappear when they're wrong. We
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have to do a show. So in Nick Serian he
got the job. I said on the air, based on
two sources, he was not ready for the job. I
was told he could be a good coach, but he's
not ready. And then he had the press conference that
was humiliating, and then he started slowly and.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I was right.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And then he gets Shane Stikeen and everybody's like, you
know what you talk about? Guys up my lay by ball.
And now again we're going back to pre stik in
calling the plays. Is that this was always the thing,
Like some time Freddy Kitchen's got a head job in.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Cleveland, he was not ready for the job.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I mean that guy in San Francisco and Harbaugh left
Jim tom Sule the opening press conference was a disaster.
There are coaches that get fired. They're ready for the job,
but circumstances like Frank Reich did a really good job
in Indianapolis and got fired by an impulsive owner and
they've never really kind.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Of recovered, right.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
And I love stiching, but with Nick, and this doesn't
happen very often at maybe every third coaching cycle. Every
third year, a guy gets a job and he's not
ready for it. Now, that doesn't mean he can't grow
into it. Shane Steiken stays one more year, Maybe he
sponges more information, but it does feel like with Siriani,
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we are getting back to the press conference, the priests
Shane Steiken, where we're just not sure. Eagles, Philly fans,
Philly media, we're not quite sure he's a head coach.
But they have so much much damn talent, a plus GM,
a plus owner, super talent quarterback. Again, you can, you can,
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you can fool. I could win a I could win
a few hands of poker playing with a poker prol if.
I got great cards, but eventually over eight hands, ten hands,
twelve hands, I get humiliated. If we're getting to a
point now, like people are questioning, is he a head coach?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Brandon Staley, we figured it out.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
That's the perfect comparison.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
He just was not a head coach.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
You could see it early with Staley and the Chargers,
and everybody saw it.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
But they got lucky, got to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
You're wringing job.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
The next year it flipped and it was over. They
fire a mid season I'm not saying that's where Sirianni is. Okay,
but let me ask you, you don't hear Chris Long
a very respective eagle. It's one thing if you and
I call out Sirianni, it's another for Chris Long, Okay,
to go out there when they're two and one.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Ask yourself this.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So we had questions about Brandon Staley early, but they
did get to the playoffs and then it crashed. Could
I not argue at the end of last year Philadelphia crashed?
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Oh no, they were ten and one and then cratered.
It was awful.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So they did a Staley.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
They just have better players, a top owner at the
time considered a top GM. They just had a better infrastructure.
But Philadelphia did a Chargers where there was like mutiny
in the locker room like players. By the way, we
heard a story that Syrioni and Jalen Hurts struggle. So
in this week it's got the Charger Staley field to
it a little. But they just win more because they
they had so many good quality elements.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
There's a lot of injuries in Philadelphia this week, Colin.
If they lose to Tampa, okay, and we know that
people are out on Syrianni two straight weeks.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
I just wonder, man, dude, Monday morning, are we.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Talking about Hey, is Bill Belichick the next coach of
the Eagles. I think that's a perfect fit. That's a
great job for Belichick. Great city, passionate, lot of talent
that divisions, not great Belichick could dominate with the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Colin.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Remember Brandon Staley.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
For a year, he was smart, good looking guy. He
had a plan. But it was by year two and three.
By year two he started going against his plan. Remember
he was like, go for it, guy, and then he
started punning and you're like, oh, he doesn't even believe
in his plan anymore. That was your fastball. Now you're
not throwing your fastball. And so Sirianni, oh, it's all
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my magic with Jalen Hurts. It's like, now now we
hear a story that Jalen Hurts and Sirianni likes struggle, like,
that's your fastball.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
And just like in Jacksonville with Trevor Lawrence and Peterson,
I'm sorry, guys, nobody's moving off.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
You're not doing that, not at least not this year. No,
if it continues, who knows, But all right, let's get
to the next story. Dallas Cowboys rough two weeks stretch
for the America's team. Ceedee Lamb in particular, he got
stripped by the rookie inside I think inside the ten
yard line. The kid Wiggins made a nice play and
then was arguing with Dak Prescott on the sideline. Lip
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Readers out here are saying he was I'm open, get
me the ball. Anyways, Ceedee Lamb kind of apologized for
his actions yesterday.
Speaker 10 (23:58):
That's for me and my performance. I expect myself more
than anyone could put on me, and quite honestly, I
fail myself and obviously after other team just as far
as producing and being that game breaker player for the
team and obviously the guy that they can lean on.
And yeah, I kind of let it, let the game
get to my head a little bit. But in the
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same sense, I knew what I can do. I knew
what I bring to the table, and I know what
I can do on that field.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I mean, he's owning it. I'm good with that, got it.
He owns it. He's not being delusional. He's like, I
got my head by the way, three hours a week
you have to play with intensity.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
You lose your head. Guys, Guys, it's okay.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
You do three hours a day. You don't lose your mind.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Well I'm not also not getting tackled and beaten down.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
I can tackle you.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I say, I don't want my head, coach or quarterback,
but I understand when players lose it, as long as
they come out and go, look, hey man, I lost it.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
It's weird.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
It's often wide receivers losing it, not tight ends or
running backs well, or linebackers.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
He's a very great player, and he gets very frustrated.
He got frustrated last year in the Green Bay game,
and he tends to get frustrated with the quarterback. It happens.
It just own it if you were not perfect. If
you own it, I'm.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Good with it.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I don't want my quarterback or coach being that guy.
I can deal with my receiver and linebacker sometimes losing it.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Producer pointed out that Ceedee Lamb last year had an
incident during a blowout loss to the Niners, and after
that went off just one hundred yard games every week,
just stacking numbers. I will point this out. Cowboys Giants
Thursday Night Giants injury report.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
Take a look.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I just did two cornerbacks not practicing. Yeah, I know
this could be a big.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Like one nine years now. I just noticed that.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I got a text from somebody as I said, keep
your eye on the Giants, he said, keep your eye
on the injury report.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
Cowboys lock it up. Final story, Colin, Oh yeah, the Jets.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Of course, remember that athletics story about the Jets' locker
room being in complete disarray.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
And you and I I disagreed with that. I didn't think.
I thought Aaron went to Egypt. We were making too
much of disarray.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
It was a low hanging fruit, the jet therapy.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
It's been a little bit, but well, yesterday Aaron Rodgers,
you know, a month later, addressed the report saying, I
would say that the culture is about the opposite of
what the article said. I didn't read the article, but
just reading the headline, it sounds like it was written
by Hassan Reddicks agent. With the way they're trying to
disparage the organization, Colin Rodgers is not Oh, he's not
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holding back, just throwing haymakers.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Hassan Reddicks agent.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
WHOA, Well, I like that.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Gotta get Rogers a little shout out there nicely does Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I think there was a lot of noise with the Niners,
and I had it sourced. That was driving Kyle Shanahan crazy.
I think the Cincinnati stuff has not been good for
the organization. Aaron's gonna miss some practices, you just in
the off season. Aaron, over the last five years, he's
going to disappear and you just have to deal with it.
I don't necessarily I wouldn't do that. Jimmy Garoppolo did
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that as well, like the Niners for years, like he
would disappear for a month like off they couldn't find him.
Aaron does that occasionally, But Aaron said, I gave him
my heads up where I was going. They knew where
I was going. Then there were some little passive aggressive
stuff by Sala and Aaron in the media, But in
the end, I don't I don't look at them as turmoil.
I don't trust their ownership group, I don't trust their
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offensive coordinator. But I don't look at them as right
now today as turmoil.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
It's weird because Rogers is so mouthy, and then he
had that moment with Sala on the sideline where Sala
was like, oh, geeked, hey, settle down.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
It's early.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Remember he has established himself. He is the heartbeat of
this team, not the defense, not the coach. It's Aaron Rodgers.
If he plays like he did Thursday against the Patriots,
If he plays like that every week, Bro.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
By the way, everybody's gonna love you. Rogers.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
The best bet on the board was a Jets. Now
it's up to seven and a half. Now it's not
the best bet on the board. It's up to seven
and a half last time I checked. I mean that's
considering how well Denver played. You know, they were six
and a half against the Patriot. I was thinking about this.
You know, some of the craziest lines I've seen this
year had been on Thursday games. So I just want
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people to think about this. I'm not saying what I'm
about to state is true, but I thought about this
so like, I didn't get the Jets line last week,
and then somebody pointed out, it's a short week for
a young team with a rookie head coach.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
These Thursday games.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
If we go and project what's going to happen is
the Thursday game the one game where you should always
take the favorite because if you have limitations on practices
healing injuries, just go with a veteran coach and a
veteran quarterback. Go with your stars on Thursday. Over the
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course of equal time, equal health, it's different. You just
don't have any time on a Thursday game to insert
a lot of new stuff. No padded practices, none of
your old guys or padded practices. So in these Thursday games,
it's like, who's got the best coach or quarterback? Just
take favorites on Thursday. I'm just throwing it out there.
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Cowboy line looks way bigger than I think it would be.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
On Sunday two weeks ago, Miami was favored against Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Both of us dumb, and Buffalo crushed better quarterback, better quarterback.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
I just don't think you can make blankets team.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I'm just saying star quarterback Buffalo crushes Miami. Star quarterback
Aaron dominates. So now I get Dak and Daniel Jones,
no padded practices, no gadgets. It's just who's the best, dude.
I'm just saying the Thursday I'm saying it's a bit
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of an underdog year. For betters on Thursday is the argument,
who's the best, most functional quarterback? Take him on a Thursday,
because you got no new gadgets, no trickery, there's no
time for I mean, guys don't even come back to
the facility till Tuesday. Sometimes if they.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Win, it's Wednesday.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
So Jeff Broncos, is that gonna make the Blazing five
or no?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
It was under consideration now, damp Okay.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
The ninth in the Herd hierarchy versus like the twenty
ninth ranked team in the league.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Thought it'd be a layup for you, buddy, all right,
No layups on this ship. Everything's mid range at best.
J mcle news, Well that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by The Herd Line News Joe Klatt Top of
the hour, Danny Parkins around the corner.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Eastern non a em Pacific.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
So Danny Parkins is somebody I heard years ago and
we've kind of introducing him to the audience again every
time I bring him on. But I thought he was
the best young radio host in the country. Was in Chicago.
FS one brought him over. I put him on the volume.
Just an interesting, fascinating guy. And right now he's part
of the Breakfast Paul, the new show here at this network.
And of course he thought when he came to our
network the Bears would be three and oh they'd be
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the talk of the NFL, and instead they're just Will
Levis's judgment from being oning three. So I did say this,
I did find myself watching Jaden Daniels, who was not
just good against the desperate Cincinnati team. It's literally like
they haven't punted or had a turnover in multiple weeks.
That never happened even with Brady. And it does feel
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a little Danny a little like last year with CJ.
Stroud about three to four games in with Bryce Young,
where you're like, yeah, this isn't close. The two's way
better than the one. So that's the truth. So far,
has that even entered? Have you even considered that for
a moment or is it gonna get better for Caleb?
Speaker 8 (31:39):
It already has gotten better for Caleb. I mean in
Game one he didn't even throw for one hundred yards,
and then in Game two on Sunday Night Football, you
know it's one hundred and seventy something yards and he
rushes for forty four and he makes more plays from
the pocket, and they're down a score late in the
fourth quarter against the Texans. And then last week, yeah,
(32:00):
some of it was in garbage time and some of
it's a hail Mary at the end of the first half.
But it's three hundred and sixty passing yards and a
couple of scores. So it's three games. Washington fans have
seen RG three look amazing as a rookie, and then
not Mitch Trubisky had a six touchdown game. So let's
just let's just pump the brakes here. Caleb Williams is
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gonna be fine. I have no buyer's remorse.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yes, that's all I'm asking. I'm not saying it to Lemon.
I just said, broke down in the streetway.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I don't. I don't like your tone.
Speaker 10 (32:32):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (32:33):
I don't like Carton's tone. I don't like Schlareth's tone.
On breakfast Ball, they're all taking a little too much
joy at the pilot, like.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Oh, have you seen Justin Fields?
Speaker 8 (32:41):
He's undefeated.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
You wish he was still the bearst quarterback. No, I don't, Okay,
you know, I'm fine.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
It's gonna be fine.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
But I will say this because I was never a
fan of Justin Fields, and you got a lot of
crap for bailing on him much earlier than the rest
of the Chicago media. I will say this structure matters.
Pittsburgh's got better structure than Chicago. And the fact that
he's completing seventy three percent of his throws. You watch
him play, he's seeing the field like You're a little
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surprised how effective he's been just in the efficiency department,
are you not?
Speaker 8 (33:14):
This is a product of coaching and Pittsburgh deserves a
ton of credit. Arthur Smith deserves a ton of credit,
and Justin Fields deserves a ton of credit. They have
done in Pittsburgh in one year through three games what
Luke Getzie and Matt Nage were not able to do
for Justin Fields in three years, which is he fumbled
the ball way too much and he took way too
many sacks. His turnovers are down, his sack numbers are
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way down, and the efficiency is way up. So Justin
Fields deserves credit. But let's not kid ourselves. Pittsburgh is
undefeated because their defense is allowing nine points per game.
The twenty eighth in passing yards, they're twenty fourth in points,
they're dead last in offensive touchdowns. So the offense is
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bottom five, bottom set the league at every metric you
could possibly look at when it comes to scoring or
passing the football. He's just not making big mistakes, which
credit to him. He used to make big mistakes, and
credit to Arthur Smith for putting him in that spot.
But he's not the long term answer in Pittsburgh based
on what he's shown through three weeks.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
So now that you're more national, like when you're in
a local hot you're doing a lot of Bears Cubs,
no question you'll you'll delve into occasional national issues. But
now you're at FS one, you understand the power of
the Cowboys. Tom Brady now is essentially an employee of
Fox and the Cowboys the game put dom on. And
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so I've never really heard a lot about Dallas. And
my takeaway is I always say the same thing about
Dallas every year. They'll be pretty good, and that's what
they are virtually every year. But I don't think they're
a super Bowl team. I said, I thought they'd have
slight regression. They just don't have money. CD got paid
dat got paid, MI could get paid. I'm gonna be
up against the cap for years. What is you take?
(35:01):
You know, in baseball it's nostalgia, but in tech, in
the NFL, we don't care about that win in January.
How do you view the Cowboys when you now from
Chicago to us?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
How do you view it? How in your world? How
do you look at them?
Speaker 8 (35:16):
Well, they've won twelve games three years in a row
and then done nothing in the postseason, and they led
the league in scoring last year, so they were good
and worthy of discussion. And then they also have this
ability to generate stories out of nothing because their owner
is their general manager, who does postgame press conferences and
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has his own radio show, so he like he he
fuels this whole sports take industrial complex that we are
a part of, where it's like, oh my god, it's Wednesday.
It's the slowest day of the NFL week. But Jerry
Jones spoke yesterday, you know, so it's all by design.
He loves the noise, he loves the chaos. It's not
a coincidence that he announced the Dak Prescott contract extension
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two hours before kickoff of the opener. We're like, wow,
it's a distraction. It's noise, that's the chaos that they
thrive on. But on the field, to me, they're the
bully at the playground. Like I don't know what your
grade school was or whatever, but for me, there was
a grade school like fifth through eighth grade, and then
you went off the high school. So the eighth grader
is the bully against the fifth grader, but then next
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year they're the kid that gets bullied when they're the
ninth grader by the juniors and seniors. Dallas beats bad teams.
They beat bad teams, but when they play good teams,
when they play up in competition, they get bullied because
the formula is really out on them, which is basically,
you run the ball at Dallas and they're going to
fold up shop. And so that's what happened last week.
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They'll probably beat the Giants, and then when they play
a good team again, they'll lose.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Okay, I'm gonna give you a team that we think
is good, probably as the best roster, and are struggling.
San Francisco lay it out for me. I put them
in my hurt hierarchy, and I didn't put the Steelers in.
I still buy them what say you.
Speaker 8 (37:02):
I did the exact same thing today on Breakfast Ball.
They Kyle Shanahan deserves the benefit of the doubt until
proven otherwise, and Divo will be back, and Trent Williams
will be back, and Kittle will be back, and we'll
see about McCaffrey. But McCaffrey goes out and Mason produces,
everyone produces. DeVonta Freeman produced in a Kyle Shanahan's system
at running back. Alfred Morris produced in a Kyle Kyle
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Shanahan system at running back. So if you can get
Jimmy Garoppolo into a super Bowl, and he can get
brock Perty into a super Bowl, he can weather these
injuries Right now. I think they're the safest bet week
in and week out to be good and eventually they'll
get healthy.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
By the way, his family, his lovely family is still
in Chicago. Danny is in New York and around Times
Square and had a great line during the break I said,
what do you make at Times Square?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Danny?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And your your interpretation was what this was very funny?
Oh well, thank you.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
Yeah. I am a married man with kids who lives
in suburbia and now I'm living out of a hotel
in Times Square, and it's like, so instead of walking
to like you know, a pharmacy or a grocery store,
it's there's a Bubba Gump shrimp or the eminem store,
or like a naked cowboy trying to sell me a
fake rolex. Like it's just it's I'm living in like
a dystopian world, like I'm on TV and not the radio.
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I'm not with my wife, I'm not with my kids.
I don't know what the hell's going on in my life.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Colin, It's all very very strange.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yes it is, Yes, Times Square in life is good,
Danny great scene is always buddy, Thank you, Colin. All right,
Uh that was funny the uh to and it smells
like cannabis if it's if it's New York. J Mac
gotta tell you he did make the argument with Caleb
baby steps, but he is more productive than week one.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
He he does have a win.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Bryce Young couldn't get those, and we are seeing growth,
and I think that's I set him up for it.
But I think that's fair with Caleb A. He's more
talented than Bryce. By the way, Bryce played behind a
powerhouse high school and a powerhouse college. Caleb Williams was
easily the most talented player in seven years at the college.
He went to USC with battleline play, So like, what
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we're seeing here is somebody that has played under duress
and had to carry a team, which is what he'll
have to do eventually in the NFL with Keenan Allen
out and a hot seat coach. Bryce Young never lived
that life. He was carried by the best high school
coach in Southern cal and the best college coach and
the best defense.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
It just feels like the media is always so starved
for who the next star is, and they see Caleb
doing some backyard football Patrick Mahomes type.
Speaker 7 (39:36):
Stuff and everybody just said he's the next guy. He's
just a superstar. Like do these things take time?
Speaker 6 (39:41):
Can we give him more than three games before we
say he's on the Bryce Young track?
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Like, come on, hey, we got a show too.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
We get like three seasons.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Now, nobody's given seas not Trevor Lawrence. We gave you
four shows. You're lucky you hit the final one.
Speaker 9 (39:58):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
We're live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you
may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for
making us part of your day. Carson Palmer stops by today.
Next hour. Joel Platt stops by Bama, Georgia. This weekend
is gigantic, you know, j MC. I was thinking about this, Yes,
but that's pretty busy running around town, and I was
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thinking about, you know, a lot of the NFL. As
I've talked about kids before, the days are long. The
year's fly by, right when you have kids, Some days
last forever. In the NFL, week to week, there's crazy
stuff happening, but at the end of the year, you
kind of know who's going to end up. The best quarterbacks,
best coaches win the division. One of the surprises has
been Pittsburgh, I.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Mean undefeated in this division.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
A lot of people myself included, were like third or
fourth and maybe fourth, and here they are first and undefeated,
and by the way, playing Indianapolis next, it looks like
four and oh. So I don't think it's a coincidence.
And that's where Jay mckau want to start the show today.
So Mike Tomlin's not my favorite coach, but I think
he's more than capable. I kind of put him in
(01:35):
the the Pete Carroll thing. I think sometimes they're a
bit outdated with offense and offensive coordinators and offensive line,
but they're both like Hall of Fame votes. I'd have
no problem Mike Tomlin Pete Carroll getting into the Hall
of Fame. But the world's changed. Football culture has changed.
It's very offensive, the rules have changed. Sometimes I feel
a little outdated on offense.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But what ebbs.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
But what's interesting is when you watch Mike Tomlin on
this Justice Field situation. So by the way, Russell Wilson
and I think this is reasonable to say there's a
little maintenance with Russell and Russell came there to be
quarterback one and now Justin Fields is on a heater
and when everybody's pressing Mike Tomlin, he's just saying. There's
(02:18):
his quote yesterday is that there's no need to name
Justin Fields as quarterback.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
One guy's three and zero.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Leeds's a vision best he's ever played, seventy three percent
completion percentage, and Mike Tomlin's like, so what, you couldn't
do that elsewhere? There are three organizations in America that
always in power the coach Miami with Eric Spolstra, San
Antonio with Greg Popovich, and the Steelers with Bill Kawer,
And now Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
That's it. What about Steve Kerr, Hey, Steve.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Kerr has to massage Kevin Durant, Draymond Green. Steve Kerr,
he didn't have total control. He had that locker room.
Steph runs that organization. But what happens is Mike Tomlin
doesn't have to tell the players what they want to. Hear, well,
Collin Lebron left Miami, Colin Kawhi Leonard, Yeah, he left,
(03:11):
he left San Antonio. Yeah, and those two players are
now on lousy rosters. And by the way, the Heat
and the Spurs have eight titles between the two. How's
your franchise doing the Lakers aren't sniffing a franchise championship in.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
A long time.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And by the way Kawhi Leonard and the Clippers, they
underachieve every year.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I think.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I think the Spurs with Wemby going forward, are going
to have a great decade. And I think the Miami Heat.
By the way, Lebron gave Spolstra crap and why did
he leave? Because Spolstra and pat Riley were in lockstep.
He was like, so, what bye, I see you so
And Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh, you've got like a quarterback dilemma.
The quarterback won the Star is now sitting behind a
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kid who struggled in Pittsburgh, and justin Field is hummon.
I never thought he'd be this accurate. See the field
like this, and it's like Tomlin's like, yeah, we'll figure
it out when it happens, and there's nothing you can do.
And I mean last year, think about this. The Steelers
have had three head coaches in fifty five years. The
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Carolina Panthers have had three and forty eight months. It's
not a coincidence. I looked it up this morning. The
most head coaches last thirty years. Raiders fifteen, Dolphins, Browns thirteen,
Lions twelve. Do you think it's a coincidence? Those teams
are like second tier teams until Detroit the last two years,
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the rest those teams, it's always a circus.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
You think that's a coincidence. So it is.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Mike Tomlin my favorite coach. No, Pete Carroll wasn't at
the end, or Belichick my favorite coach because the world
has changed, the culture's changed. But they're three and zero.
He's always in bolden, he's always empowered. And this Pittsburgh
media there, I mean, give the media credit in Pittsburgh.
They're not giving him a pass. They're pressing among this
every single day. And here's what he said yesterday.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
What more do you need to see from Justin?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Why not name than the starting quarterback?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Because there's no need. You know, I explained to you
the variables of the week. It has not changed. He's
gonna walk in this building with that mindset. Tomorrow, when
Russ gets to an appropriate point of health and we
have a decision to make, I'll make it and I'll
announce it and I'll be really transparent about it. But
until then, I don't care how many ways you guys
asked me, you know, I got no intentions of making
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the decision that's unnecessary at this juncture.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And he doesn't waiver, and he said it six times
and he doesn't care, and he's three and oh and
they're gonna go four to oh and again. Some of
these defensive coaches can drive me nuts, Like Buffalo finally
has a run game seven years in. But I will
say this is Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs, Pittsburgh Steelers.
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They're never in chaos. When they're down, it's brief. They
bounce back up again, and Cleveland doesn't. And the Raiders
to how when's the last time the Raiders were good
or the Browns were consistently good, or the Dolphins were
consistently good? I mean, what decade was that? There is
in a world where players make more and have more
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power and scrub their ig every time they get their
feelings hurt, there is an argument to empower the coach,
even if he's not your favorite coach. Empower the coach.
Here are the Steelers once again in first place with
Mike Tomlin. So I saw this headline, What do the
Cowboys need to focus on to end this losing streak.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Sell the team. You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
You know, I work at a network that has the NFC,
and we put Tom Brady on all these big Cowboy games.
Anybody watched the Niners Rams game this weekend, it was
like seventy percent Niner fans. The Niners, not the Cowboys
travel better than any NFL franchise. Dallas fans they but
they're not as proud and they don't travel like the Niners.
(07:04):
Why well, because they don't win big road games. What's
the point if you went to your in laws time
and time again and came back driving home in a
bad mood, would you go to your in laws as much?
Last ten big road games for the Cowboys against playoff team,
they're two and eight.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Save your money.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Really, by halftime you'll be getting blown out by Buffalo
or Green Bay or somebody. But to me, Kansas City
and San Francisco reward their fans in January. So I've
said this before. I think Kansas City is America's team
right now. I mean, Taylor Swift could have dated anybody.
You really think it was going to be a somebody
on the Jags. It's Travis Kelsey, number two player on
the number one team in the world.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So, you know, and I.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Look at Dallas and yes, they're still Cowboy fans on
the road. But has anybody else noticed in the last
several years that in Dallas, where they sell out high
school football games, where they have the number one college
football team in the country, the biggest football brand of
Dallas Cowboys, you're seeing twenty five percent of that stadium
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filled with Saints fans and Packer fans and Lions fans.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Here's Stephen Jones talking about it.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Obviously, would prefer to have everybody sitting in that seat
a Cowboys fan, but we're certainly the beneficiary of that
on the road most of the time in terms of,
you know, having large percentages of Cowboy fans and opposing
team stadiums. If we had our preference, honestly, no, I'd
like one hundred percent of them to be Cowboy fans.
But also though that can be unrealistic.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Dallas has not won multiple playoff games in a single
year in twenty nine years. In fact, the last time
the Cowboys won more than a single playoff game, Murphy
Brown was the number one TV show and Hoody and
the Blowfish the number one band. I think that was
Toy Story one. What are they on Toy Story three
(08:59):
or four or five? Now whatever? Like, at some point
you can't keep telling me this is America's team. And
what's amazing is they've done this. They've regressed with Dak
and Tony Romo. Those are B plus plus A minus quarterbacks.
So it's not like they haven't had a good coach.
Mike McCarthy won a super Bowl. It's not like they
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haven't had good quarterback play. Dak will get out a
handful of Hall of Fame votes, and Tony Romo was
really really good.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
They're both really good.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Better than Andy Dalton and Andy Dalton we saw this
past weekend and Andy Dalton won multiple division titles in
a division with the Ravens and the Steelers, like they're
good players. So it's not just well it's the coach. Now,
they've had a few of those. Well it's the quarterback. Now,
they've been better than average. Like Chicago's been bad, they
can't get quarterback right, Raiders been bad, they can't get
quarterback right. Cleveland's been bad, they can't get anything right.
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But the Cowboys have gotten a lot of the player
stuff right. And you watch those home games for Dallas
now once they're getting blown out at halftime. I mean,
I never knew the Baltimore Ravens traveled much. People that
are there, people you talk to, are like, yeah, it's
kind of a fifty to fifty Ravens crowd of the
fourth quarter doesn't mean you eventually. America loves winners. The
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Cowboys are kind of a loser. I mean when it
comes to January and February. This isn't baseball. There's no
nostalgia in football. We don't care what you did years ago.
Doesn't matter what you do in the regular season. The
Raiders have been to a Super Bowl, the Jags have
been to a conference championship.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Detroit was in one last year. For the Cowboys, you're.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Talking about America's team. America doesn't like losers. They don't
like losers. And in football, January and February is where
winners play, and the Cowboys are never there, all right,
Joe Klatt forty five minutes from.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Now, But they won twelve games. Nobody cares.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Again, like in baseball, you can be a Hall of
Famer Mike Trout be called the best player in the game.
Never win a playoff game, forget a series. That's okay
with baseball. In the NBA, I mean Carmelo Anthony was
a losing player. He can be a first bout. He's
the first baut Hall of Fame player. He's beloved in
the sport. Never made a teammate better. That's basketball. Aesthetics, optics, stylistically,
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that matters in basketball.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm good with it. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
There's a lot of art in basketball. Same with soccer.
If Messi doesn't win the World Cup, it doesn't devalue.
He's the best soccer player on the planet last twenty years.
He and Ronaldo. In baseball, nobody really cares how many
titles Bob Gibson or Sandy Kofax had. But in football,
it's about January and February. That's what it's about. That's
what it's about. Two teams, Kansas City, New England hoisting
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the trophies and Dallas didn't even get in the San
Francisco may lose, but they're getting there. Dallas didn't even
sniff it. They haven't won multiple playoff games.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
In twenty nine years. It's insane.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
And I like Murphy Brown and Whody and the Bulpish
were fine. Then it's now all right we all that
stuff today Jay Manga. Tomorrow in a game that may
have not looked like much tomorrow the Cowboys speaking of
them and the New York Giants. Are you still in
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the Dallas side?
Speaker 6 (12:18):
I bet it at four four and a half, I
think it's gonna start to go up.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
My guess is closed as six.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Okay, so tomorrow a big blowout for Dallas.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You think.
Speaker 8 (12:27):
In New York?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Big blowouty he bounce back and get the dub all right?
At twenty seven seventeens?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
What a Friday show is? Another cowboy loss? Content?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Oh, it's great for content. It's great for content. I've
said this, Aaron Rodgers losing is bad for content. Aaron
winning is good. Oh it's great, it's great. Dallas losing,
I would argues, great for content.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
Is this a Colin right or Colin wrong? Dallas go
falling to one and.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Till I just I think there's a couple numbers out
there I'd keep my eye on. First of all, we
know this underdogs are having the greatest start in the
history of betting.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
Now that will not continue.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Just okay, all.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Right, Like it's not like, you know, fifty two percent
at Dallas.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Well you listen, you know, in the Vegas contest, I
went five to oh last week. So I just thought
i'd mentioned, casually mentioned that I really like the Cowboys
and Bears.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
This week we held that off for thirteen minutes. Will
appreciate that.
Speaker 9 (13:18):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd Weekdays
and Noone Eastern n a EM Pacific, so.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
You know, the Jade and Daniels game on Monday night.
So there was two Monday night games for people on
the East Coast. It may have been a little late.
Not sure if you saw all of it. I think
people in Washington, DC certainly did. But it was interesting.
It was on the road that's always tough for It
was Joe Burrow in a make or break for the
season game for Cincinnati. It was National TV by the
end of the game. It was a standalone game as
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an underdog, and the kid goes twenty one to twenty three,
one hundred and forty two passer rating, three total touchdowns.
He honestly looked brilliant. Back to back games Washington's offense
no punts and no turnovers. Anybody else watched that game
and kind of thing to themselves.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
We got a c. J.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Stroud thing going on where the number two quarterback pick
is way better than the number one pick. Now, Caleb
Williams is a much bigger, stronger athlete than Bryce Young.
He looks the part and he's gotten gradually better. But
if you start looking at the numbers, and most of
the time with these young quarterback stars, we knew Burrow,
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Kyler Murray justin herbert first game. Even when Mahomes wasn't playing,
you were getting reports and video was leaking on how
good Mahomes was. As he was sitting backing up Lamar Jackson,
you were hearing reports about. And that's what we had
with Jaylen Daniels. With Jayden Daniels, you were getting reports
very early on. Dan Quinn is like, and usually coaches
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slow play a young quarterback. Well, it's a process. You
didn't get that with Jayden Daniels. Dan Quinn was like,
it's kind of blowing us away. Cliff Kingsbury is like,
multiple times Kingsbury went to a podium, this is the
opposite of what you do with rookie quarterbacks. It was like, yeah,
I can't and this guy does everything right. His accuracy's insane.
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That's what they did with like Andrew Luck. When Kobe Fleener,
a tight end for the Colts, went on record like
two weeks into camp and said he memorized the playbook
in two days. I went to Stanford. It took me
a month like that. That's what people said about Elway.
That's what people said. I mean, we're still waiting for
that stuff from Trevor Lawrence. In camp, Washington couldn't control themselves,
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and Kingsbury's been around long enough to know don't hype
a young quarterback. And Kingsbury couldn't help himself, and Dan
Quinn couldn't help himself. These are not like rookie coaches
that are over their skis or Dion Sanders trying to
change the culture in college. And if you look at
Caleb and Jaden Daniels, there are two things that are
not disputable. Caleb is very inaccurate. Jaden is crazy accurate.
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It's not like close. And Caleb is very turnover prone
and Jayden never turns the ball over like those are
big things. So it's one of those.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I mean, c J.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Stroud by a sixth game and Bryce Young by his
third We're like, yeah, I've seen enough to know that
that guy at two is gonna just gonna be better
than the one guy. Now, the one guy may get better,
he may get a better coach, but the two guys great.
Now you're watching Jayden Daniels Monday Night, it's like, yeah,
that's all I need to see. They're only gonna get
better on the offensive line, They're only gonna get better.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Like this is the start of it.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
And Washington can't control themselves, their announcers can't control themselves.
Dan Quinn. So, I don't know what it means for
Caleb Williams, but I'm finding myself with Caleb and he's
better than Bryce Young. I'm not saying it's that, but
I am finding myself one year later saying the same stuff. Well,
he's got to get the right coach, he's got to
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get a better offensive life. So I said about Bryce Young,
and I think Caleb's much better than Bryce show. But
I mean on on, I mean, dan Quinn on the
ascension of Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I definitely understand like our fan base has been waiting,
you know, for the franchise QB, and but I also
want Jaden feeling any ghosts, making sure he understands there's
only one name on the back of that jersey. Uh,
and that's for him. And I don't want any comparison
or any of the other stuff. I think it was
that Teddy Roosevelt quote comparison is the thief of joy.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, but it's really hard when you do what we
do to watch Jaden, to watch Kleb and like it's
not subtle or nuanced. It's like really accurate, not accurate,
no turnovers, lots of turnovers. Great judgment, not great judgment.
Like it's getting like like last year, it's getting really
wide really quickly.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
J Mack with the news. No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 8 (17:49):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
One of the things I love, Colin is we start
talking about these games on Monday for the upcoming week
and then just stuff just can he used to happen
all week. So we're gonna start here with the Philadelphia Eagles, Colin,
two in one, but have made some poor decisions by
their head coach the last two games. Okay, Eagles, big schedule,
tough schedule, Colin, some things are happening right now. And
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in a recent podcast appearance, former Eagle Chris Long, who
carries a lot of weight in Philadelphia, was very critical
of Nick Sirianni's decisions in clutch situations.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
I like Nick.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I think Nick has done a good job. No, really,
I do.
Speaker 9 (18:32):
It's just right now he's kind of under a microscope
because of the decisions he's making.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
Yeah, he's not even calling the game.
Speaker 9 (18:40):
So that's my thing. It's like, you got to own
the feeling of the flow of the game. And to me,
I said on my pod, I would give him a
mirror look in it. This is not the same team,
certainly not yesterday that won the Super Bowl two years ago.
Where you're going to score forty points a game, you
have to sometimes lay up, and when you got Saquon Barkley,
you got to give him the damn ball.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You saw what happened yesterday. Any three our game could
turn to seventy. You know here.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So here's what's funny. We have kind of laughed this
year that Sam Darnold has become what I thought he
would become, right, and so he finally needed the perfect fit. Now.
I think the bubble will burst eventually. Could bubble could
burst in Lambeau this weekend. I think green Bow's Green
is very good. But fans disappear when they're wrong. We
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have to do a show. So in Nick Serian he
got the job. I said on the air, based on
two sources, he was not ready for the job. I
was told he could be a good coach, but he's
not ready. And then he had the press conference that
was humiliating, and then he started slowly and.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I was right.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And then he gets Shane Stikeen and everybody's like, you
know what you talk about? Guys up my lay by ball.
And now again we're going back to pre stik in
calling the plays. Is that this was always the thing,
Like some time Freddy Kitchen's got a head job in.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Cleveland, he was not ready for the job.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I mean that guy in San Francisco and Harbaugh left
Jim tom Sule the opening press conference was a disaster.
There are coaches that get fired. They're ready for the job,
but circumstances like Frank Reich did a really good job
in Indianapolis and got fired by an impulsive owner and
they've never really kind.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Of recovered, right.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
And I love stiching, but with Nick, and this doesn't
happen very often at maybe every third coaching cycle. Every
third year, a guy gets a job and he's not
ready for it. Now, that doesn't mean he can't grow
into it. Shane Steiken stays one more year, Maybe he
sponges more information, but it does feel like with Siriani,
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we are getting back to the press conference, the priests
Shane Steiken, where we're just not sure. Eagles, Philly fans,
Philly media, we're not quite sure he's a head coach.
But they have so much much damn talent, a plus GM,
a plus owner, super talent quarterback. Again, you can, you can,
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you can fool. I could win a I could win
a few hands of poker playing with a poker prol if.
I got great cards, but eventually over eight hands, ten hands,
twelve hands, I get humiliated. If we're getting to a
point now, like people are questioning, is he a head coach?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Brandon Staley, we figured it out.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
That's the perfect comparison.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
He just was not a head coach.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
You could see it early with Staley and the Chargers,
and everybody saw it.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
But they got lucky, got to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
You're wringing job.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
The next year it flipped and it was over. They
fire a mid season I'm not saying that's where Sirianni is. Okay,
but let me ask you, you don't hear Chris Long
a very respective eagle. It's one thing if you and
I call out Sirianni, it's another for Chris Long, Okay,
to go out there when they're two and one.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Ask yourself this.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So we had questions about Brandon Staley early, but they
did get to the playoffs and then it crashed. Could
I not argue at the end of last year Philadelphia crashed?
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Oh no, they were ten and one and then cratered.
It was awful.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So they did a Staley.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
They just have better players, a top owner at the
time considered a top GM. They just had a better infrastructure.
But Philadelphia did a Chargers where there was like mutiny
in the locker room like players. By the way, we
heard a story that Syrioni and Jalen Hurts struggle. So
in this week it's got the Charger Staley field to
it a little. But they just win more because they
they had so many good quality elements.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
There's a lot of injuries in Philadelphia this week, Colin.
If they lose to Tampa, okay, and we know that
people are out on Syrianni two straight weeks.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
I just wonder, man, dude, Monday morning, are we.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Talking about Hey, is Bill Belichick the next coach of
the Eagles. I think that's a perfect fit. That's a
great job for Belichick. Great city, passionate, lot of talent
that divisions, not great Belichick could dominate with the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Colin.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Remember Brandon Staley.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
For a year, he was smart, good looking guy. He
had a plan. But it was by year two and three.
By year two he started going against his plan. Remember
he was like, go for it, guy, and then he
started punning and you're like, oh, he doesn't even believe
in his plan anymore. That was your fastball. Now you're
not throwing your fastball. And so Sirianni, oh, it's all
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my magic with Jalen Hurts. It's like, now now we
hear a story that Jalen Hurts and Sirianni likes struggle, like,
that's your fastball.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
And just like in Jacksonville with Trevor Lawrence and Peterson,
I'm sorry, guys, nobody's moving off.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
You're not doing that, not at least not this year. No,
if it continues, who knows, But all right, let's get
to the next story. Dallas Cowboys rough two weeks stretch
for the America's team. Ceedee Lamb in particular, he got
stripped by the rookie inside I think inside the ten
yard line. The kid Wiggins made a nice play and
then was arguing with Dak Prescott on the sideline. Lip
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Readers out here are saying he was I'm open, get
me the ball. Anyways, Ceedee Lamb kind of apologized for
his actions yesterday.
Speaker 10 (23:58):
That's for me and my performance. I expect myself more
than anyone could put on me, and quite honestly, I
fail myself and obviously after other team just as far
as producing and being that game breaker player for the
team and obviously the guy that they can lean on.
And yeah, I kind of let it, let the game
get to my head a little bit. But in the
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same sense, I knew what I can do. I knew
what I bring to the table, and I know what
I can do on that field.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I mean, he's owning it. I'm good with that, got it.
He owns it. He's not being delusional. He's like, I
got my head by the way, three hours a week
you have to play with intensity.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
You lose your head. Guys, Guys, it's okay.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
You do three hours a day. You don't lose your mind.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Well I'm not also not getting tackled and beaten down.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
I can tackle you.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I say, I don't want my head, coach or quarterback,
but I understand when players lose it, as long as
they come out and go, look, hey man, I lost it.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
It's weird.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
It's often wide receivers losing it, not tight ends or
running backs well, or linebackers.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
He's a very great player, and he gets very frustrated.
He got frustrated last year in the Green Bay game,
and he tends to get frustrated with the quarterback. It happens.
It just own it if you were not perfect. If
you own it, I'm.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Good with it.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I don't want my quarterback or coach being that guy.
I can deal with my receiver and linebacker sometimes losing it.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Producer pointed out that Ceedee Lamb last year had an
incident during a blowout loss to the Niners, and after
that went off just one hundred yard games every week,
just stacking numbers. I will point this out. Cowboys Giants
Thursday Night Giants injury report.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
Take a look.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I just did two cornerbacks not practicing. Yeah, I know
this could be a big.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Like one nine years now. I just noticed that.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I got a text from somebody as I said, keep
your eye on the Giants, he said, keep your eye
on the injury report.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
Cowboys lock it up. Final story, Colin, Oh yeah, the Jets.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Of course, remember that athletics story about the Jets' locker
room being in complete disarray.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
And you and I I disagreed with that. I didn't think.
I thought Aaron went to Egypt. We were making too
much of disarray.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
It was a low hanging fruit, the jet therapy.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
It's been a little bit, but well, yesterday Aaron Rodgers,
you know, a month later, addressed the report saying, I
would say that the culture is about the opposite of
what the article said. I didn't read the article, but
just reading the headline, it sounds like it was written
by Hassan Reddicks agent. With the way they're trying to
disparage the organization, Colin Rodgers is not Oh, he's not
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holding back, just throwing haymakers.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Hassan Reddicks agent.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
WHOA, Well, I like that.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Gotta get Rogers a little shout out there nicely does Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I think there was a lot of noise with the Niners,
and I had it sourced. That was driving Kyle Shanahan crazy.
I think the Cincinnati stuff has not been good for
the organization. Aaron's gonna miss some practices, you just in
the off season. Aaron, over the last five years, he's
going to disappear and you just have to deal with it.
I don't necessarily I wouldn't do that. Jimmy Garoppolo did
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that as well, like the Niners for years, like he
would disappear for a month like off they couldn't find him.
Aaron does that occasionally, But Aaron said, I gave him
my heads up where I was going. They knew where
I was going. Then there were some little passive aggressive
stuff by Sala and Aaron in the media, But in
the end, I don't I don't look at them as turmoil.
I don't trust their ownership group, I don't trust their
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offensive coordinator. But I don't look at them as right
now today as turmoil.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
It's weird because Rogers is so mouthy, and then he
had that moment with Sala on the sideline where Sala
was like, oh, geeked, hey, settle down.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
It's early.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Remember he has established himself. He is the heartbeat of
this team, not the defense, not the coach. It's Aaron Rodgers.
If he plays like he did Thursday against the Patriots,
If he plays like that every week, Bro.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
By the way, everybody's gonna love you. Rogers.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
The best bet on the board was a Jets. Now
it's up to seven and a half. Now it's not
the best bet on the board. It's up to seven
and a half last time I checked. I mean that's
considering how well Denver played. You know, they were six
and a half against the Patriot. I was thinking about this.
You know, some of the craziest lines I've seen this
year had been on Thursday games. So I just want
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people to think about this. I'm not saying what I'm
about to state is true, but I thought about this
so like, I didn't get the Jets line last week,
and then somebody pointed out, it's a short week for
a young team with a rookie head coach.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
These Thursday games.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
If we go and project what's going to happen is
the Thursday game the one game where you should always
take the favorite because if you have limitations on practices
healing injuries, just go with a veteran coach and a
veteran quarterback. Go with your stars on Thursday. Over the
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course of equal time, equal health, it's different. You just
don't have any time on a Thursday game to insert
a lot of new stuff. No padded practices, none of
your old guys or padded practices. So in these Thursday games,
it's like, who's got the best coach or quarterback? Just
take favorites on Thursday. I'm just throwing it out there.
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Cowboy line looks way bigger than I think it would be.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
On Sunday two weeks ago, Miami was favored against Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Both of us dumb, and Buffalo crushed better quarterback, better quarterback.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
I just don't think you can make blankets team.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I'm just saying star quarterback Buffalo crushes Miami. Star quarterback
Aaron dominates. So now I get Dak and Daniel Jones,
no padded practices, no gadgets. It's just who's the best, dude.
I'm just saying the Thursday I'm saying it's a bit
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of an underdog year. For betters on Thursday is the argument,
who's the best, most functional quarterback? Take him on a Thursday,
because you got no new gadgets, no trickery, there's no
time for I mean, guys don't even come back to
the facility till Tuesday. Sometimes if they.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Win, it's Wednesday.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
So Jeff Broncos, is that gonna make the Blazing five
or no?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
It was under consideration now, damp Okay.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
The ninth in the Herd hierarchy versus like the twenty
ninth ranked team in the league.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Thought it'd be a layup for you, buddy, all right,
No layups on this ship. Everything's mid range at best.
J mcle news, Well that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by The Herd Line News Joe Klatt Top of
the hour, Danny Parkins around the corner.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Eastern non a em Pacific.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
So Danny Parkins is somebody I heard years ago and
we've kind of introducing him to the audience again every
time I bring him on. But I thought he was
the best young radio host in the country. Was in Chicago.
FS one brought him over. I put him on the volume.
Just an interesting, fascinating guy. And right now he's part
of the Breakfast Paul, the new show here at this network.
And of course he thought when he came to our
network the Bears would be three and oh they'd be
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the talk of the NFL, and instead they're just Will
Levis's judgment from being oning three. So I did say this,
I did find myself watching Jaden Daniels, who was not
just good against the desperate Cincinnati team. It's literally like
they haven't punted or had a turnover in multiple weeks.
That never happened even with Brady. And it does feel
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a little Danny a little like last year with CJ.
Stroud about three to four games in with Bryce Young,
where you're like, yeah, this isn't close. The two's way
better than the one. So that's the truth. So far,
has that even entered? Have you even considered that for
a moment or is it gonna get better for Caleb?
Speaker 8 (31:39):
It already has gotten better for Caleb. I mean in
Game one he didn't even throw for one hundred yards,
and then in Game two on Sunday Night Football, you
know it's one hundred and seventy something yards and he
rushes for forty four and he makes more plays from
the pocket, and they're down a score late in the
fourth quarter against the Texans. And then last week, yeah,
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some of it was in garbage time and some of
it's a hail Mary at the end of the first half.
But it's three hundred and sixty passing yards and a
couple of scores. So it's three games. Washington fans have
seen RG three look amazing as a rookie, and then
not Mitch Trubisky had a six touchdown game. So let's
just let's just pump the brakes here. Caleb Williams is
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gonna be fine. I have no buyer's remorse.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yes, that's all I'm asking. I'm not saying it to Lemon.
I just said, broke down in the streetway.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I don't. I don't like your tone.
Speaker 10 (32:32):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (32:33):
I don't like Carton's tone. I don't like Schlareth's tone.
On breakfast Ball, they're all taking a little too much
joy at the pilot, like.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Oh, have you seen Justin Fields?
Speaker 8 (32:41):
He's undefeated.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
You wish he was still the bearst quarterback. No, I don't, Okay,
you know, I'm fine.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
It's gonna be fine.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
But I will say this because I was never a
fan of Justin Fields, and you got a lot of
crap for bailing on him much earlier than the rest
of the Chicago media. I will say this structure matters.
Pittsburgh's got better structure than Chicago. And the fact that
he's completing seventy three percent of his throws. You watch
him play, he's seeing the field like You're a little
(33:08):
surprised how effective he's been just in the efficiency department,
are you not?
Speaker 8 (33:14):
This is a product of coaching and Pittsburgh deserves a
ton of credit. Arthur Smith deserves a ton of credit,
and Justin Fields deserves a ton of credit. They have
done in Pittsburgh in one year through three games what
Luke Getzie and Matt Nage were not able to do
for Justin Fields in three years, which is he fumbled
the ball way too much and he took way too
many sacks. His turnovers are down, his sack numbers are
(33:37):
way down, and the efficiency is way up. So Justin
Fields deserves credit. But let's not kid ourselves. Pittsburgh is
undefeated because their defense is allowing nine points per game.
The twenty eighth in passing yards, they're twenty fourth in points,
they're dead last in offensive touchdowns. So the offense is
(33:58):
bottom five, bottom set the league at every metric you
could possibly look at when it comes to scoring or
passing the football. He's just not making big mistakes, which
credit to him. He used to make big mistakes, and
credit to Arthur Smith for putting him in that spot.
But he's not the long term answer in Pittsburgh based
on what he's shown through three weeks.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
So now that you're more national, like when you're in
a local hot you're doing a lot of Bears Cubs,
no question you'll you'll delve into occasional national issues. But
now you're at FS one, you understand the power of
the Cowboys. Tom Brady now is essentially an employee of
Fox and the Cowboys the game put dom on. And
(34:40):
so I've never really heard a lot about Dallas. And
my takeaway is I always say the same thing about
Dallas every year. They'll be pretty good, and that's what
they are virtually every year. But I don't think they're
a super Bowl team. I said, I thought they'd have
slight regression. They just don't have money. CD got paid
dat got paid, MI could get paid. I'm gonna be
up against the cap for years. What is you take?
(35:01):
You know, in baseball it's nostalgia, but in tech, in
the NFL, we don't care about that win in January.
How do you view the Cowboys when you now from
Chicago to us?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
How do you view it? How in your world? How
do you look at them?
Speaker 8 (35:16):
Well, they've won twelve games three years in a row
and then done nothing in the postseason, and they led
the league in scoring last year, so they were good
and worthy of discussion. And then they also have this
ability to generate stories out of nothing because their owner
is their general manager, who does postgame press conferences and
(35:37):
has his own radio show, so he like he he
fuels this whole sports take industrial complex that we are
a part of, where it's like, oh my god, it's Wednesday.
It's the slowest day of the NFL week. But Jerry
Jones spoke yesterday, you know, so it's all by design.
He loves the noise, he loves the chaos. It's not
a coincidence that he announced the Dak Prescott contract extension
(35:58):
two hours before kickoff of the opener. We're like, wow,
it's a distraction. It's noise, that's the chaos that they
thrive on. But on the field, to me, they're the
bully at the playground. Like I don't know what your
grade school was or whatever, but for me, there was
a grade school like fifth through eighth grade, and then
you went off the high school. So the eighth grader
is the bully against the fifth grader, but then next
(36:21):
year they're the kid that gets bullied when they're the
ninth grader by the juniors and seniors. Dallas beats bad teams.
They beat bad teams, but when they play good teams,
when they play up in competition, they get bullied because
the formula is really out on them, which is basically,
you run the ball at Dallas and they're going to
fold up shop. And so that's what happened last week.
(36:42):
They'll probably beat the Giants, and then when they play
a good team again, they'll lose.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Okay, I'm gonna give you a team that we think
is good, probably as the best roster, and are struggling.
San Francisco lay it out for me. I put them
in my hurt hierarchy, and I didn't put the Steelers in.
I still buy them what say you.
Speaker 8 (37:02):
I did the exact same thing today on Breakfast Ball.
They Kyle Shanahan deserves the benefit of the doubt until
proven otherwise, and Divo will be back, and Trent Williams
will be back, and Kittle will be back, and we'll
see about McCaffrey. But McCaffrey goes out and Mason produces,
everyone produces. DeVonta Freeman produced in a Kyle Shanahan's system
at running back. Alfred Morris produced in a Kyle Kyle
(37:22):
Shanahan system at running back. So if you can get
Jimmy Garoppolo into a super Bowl, and he can get
brock Perty into a super Bowl, he can weather these
injuries Right now. I think they're the safest bet week
in and week out to be good and eventually they'll
get healthy.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
By the way, his family, his lovely family is still
in Chicago. Danny is in New York and around Times
Square and had a great line during the break I said,
what do you make at Times Square?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Danny?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And your your interpretation was what this was very funny?
Oh well, thank you.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
Yeah. I am a married man with kids who lives
in suburbia and now I'm living out of a hotel
in Times Square, and it's like, so instead of walking
to like you know, a pharmacy or a grocery store,
it's there's a Bubba Gump shrimp or the eminem store,
or like a naked cowboy trying to sell me a
fake rolex. Like it's just it's I'm living in like
a dystopian world, like I'm on TV and not the radio.
(38:18):
I'm not with my wife, I'm not with my kids.
I don't know what the hell's going on in my life.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Colin, It's all very very strange.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yes it is, Yes, Times Square in life is good,
Danny great scene is always buddy, Thank you, Colin. All right,
Uh that was funny the uh to and it smells
like cannabis if it's if it's New York. J Mac
gotta tell you he did make the argument with Caleb
baby steps, but he is more productive than week one.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
He he does have a win.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Bryce Young couldn't get those, and we are seeing growth,
and I think that's I set him up for it.
But I think that's fair with Caleb A. He's more
talented than Bryce. By the way, Bryce played behind a
powerhouse high school and a powerhouse college. Caleb Williams was
easily the most talented player in seven years at the college.
He went to USC with battleline play, So like, what
(39:10):
we're seeing here is somebody that has played under duress
and had to carry a team, which is what he'll
have to do eventually in the NFL with Keenan Allen
out and a hot seat coach. Bryce Young never lived
that life. He was carried by the best high school
coach in Southern cal and the best college coach and
the best defense.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
It just feels like the media is always so starved
for who the next star is, and they see Caleb
doing some backyard football Patrick Mahomes type.
Speaker 7 (39:36):
Stuff and everybody just said he's the next guy. He's
just a superstar. Like do these things take time?
Speaker 6 (39:41):
Can we give him more than three games before we
say he's on the Bryce Young track?
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Like, come on, hey, we got a show too.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
We get like three seasons.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Now, nobody's given seas not Trevor Lawrence. We gave you
four shows. You're lucky you hit the final one.
Speaker 9 (39:58):
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