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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh here we go on a Tuesday, live in Los Angeles.
It's The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
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love days like today. A sports story becomes a social story,
a cultural story. We try to sort it out as
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men lose their minds. Nick Right one hour from now,
Jmac Yesterday, the sports world mostly men, overwhelmingly ESBN hosts, others,
editorial boards lost their mind. They don't know how to
cover Caitlin Clark of the WNBA. So I'm gonna I'm
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gonna try to help help them out. Please, I'll be
the consultant on this. So uh. The Chicago Tribune editorial
board defended Caitlin Clark and said that a hard foul
on her. They likened it to an assault. If this
wasn't sports it would be an assault. No, it would
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be a flagrant foul, which the sport penalizes through free throws. Oh, boy, guys,
here's the here's the ultimate respect that you can give
Caitlin Clark. Treat her like a pro athlete, because that's
what she is with a twenty eight million dollar shoe deal.
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She's tough and she's competitive, so is Angel Reese. Stop pandering,
stop coddling, start stop detecting. WNBA players are pro athletes.
We got a lot of pro leagues all over the world.
They're pro athletes. Now I hear this pushback, Well, how
come you guys didn't cover us before Caitlin Clark because
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you weren't that popular. I don't cover hockey because the
average sports fan can't name three players. I don't cover
regular season baseball much. I don't cover college basketball, men's
or women's much before March. I'm in the omelet business.
I'm not in the egg business. You need to be
made before I talk about you. It's not my job
to make you popular, So I will push back on you.
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Didn't talk about you. I didn't talk much golf until
Tiger Woods arrived. This league needed a catalyst WNBA got
better and better and better, and so did women's basketball.
I've talked about this for fifteen years. It's the most
improved sport in my lifetime. More young women, multiple generations
are encouraged now to get into sports, and basketball has
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taken off. The league just needed a catalyst and they
got it and now we talk about it. But let's
stop treating these pro athletes more like the women part
instead of the pro athlete part. Caitlin Clark is acknowledged
she played with boys. She's rough, she can be intimidating.
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There's footage on the Internet of her shoving college players
on the floor. There is also a racial component in
this with her and Angel Reeves and Kennedy Carter. That's undeniable.
But she's become a screen that everybody is projecting what
they want her to be instead of what she is.
Tough as nails, great professional athlete, and let's not be
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pandering and cringey and weird. Just treat her like a
pro basketball player. She's got a twenty eight million dollar
shoe deal, four or five national endorsements. She's gonna be fine.
And I loved I loved Kennedy Carter. You know the
one that assaulted her. I loved her pushback on this
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entire situation.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
At the end of the day, it's all of outside
of basketball. Well we're in those core lines. It's smoke
after it's all love. I promise we're a genuine team,
We're a genuine person. We're not We didn't hit her
like she was out on the street.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
It just happened.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Like it's over with.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I don't know what we're dragging it, but we could
see you to jag. A flake that happened in a
whole fourth quarter happened after that. Multiple events happened after
that guy. So we just got to let that play go.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
These women are not fragile. Some of you men who
are covering them are Phil Knight's opening manifesto at Nike.
He wrote ten things when he started the company, and
number nine is my favorite. It won't be pretty. The
WNBA is exploding in popularity, and it's going to be turbulent.
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Like a tech business, media business, whenever anything goes from
semi noticeable to really popular, it's turbulent. You see it
with individuals in the entertainment business. Now you're seeing it
with a league. It's a little turbulent. It's a quickly
ascending business and they're never pretty and they're going through
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their ugly stage right here with the media doesn't know
what to ask and it's cringy and it's assault and
they're defending it. But I loved Angel Reese coming out.
Her and Caitlin Clark go back to college and she
gets it. She understands what I talked about yesterday. She's
willing to play the villain. There are no great movies
without conflict. The more conflict, the more villains, the better
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the script, the better the streaming movie. And here's Angel
Reese on this entire period we're going through with the
WNBA and Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
It all started from the National Championship game. And I've
been dealing with this for two years now and understanding,
like yet negative things have probably been said about me,
But honestly, I'll take that because look where women's basketball is.
People are talking about women's basketball. You never would think
that we talk about women's basketball. People are pulling up
to games. We got celebrities coming to games, soda au arenas,
like just because of one single game, and just looking
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at that, like I'll take that role I'll take the
bad guy role, and I'll continue to take that on
and be that for my teammates. And if I want
to be that, and I know I'll go down in history.
I'll look back in twenty years and be like, Yeah,
the reason why we're watching women's basketball is not just
because of one person.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
It's because of me too.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
And I want you to realize.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
That she's gonna be the villain. She's gonna be the
Draymond Green. Now, Caitlyn Clark. Maybe she has the potential
to be the star that's scoring all the points, but
there's always somebody who makes movies and sports in a
seven game series in March madness more compelling. I love
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the fact is this sport explodes and nobody in the
media quite knows how to handle it, mostly guys who
are not quite sure how to handle it. At WNBA,
you got players saying it's all love.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
We didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
In the street. You got another one saying I'll be
the villain. Kayln Clark said, yeah, it's no big deal.
I got knocked out all the time I've pushed people.
They're not fragile, we are. They're tough, they're defiant, They're
gonna be fine. Embrace them, have a good time. They're
pro athletes. Kaylin Clark doesn't mind getting pushed down. She'll
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push right back. She'll get free throws. Angel Reese, I'll
be the villain. Kennedy Carter. Well, you guys talking about
it still we moved on. It's all love. You understand
what's happening here. These pro athletes get it. We're struggling
to figure it out. Speaking of figured it out, Fear
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drives a lot lot of decisions, and people are afraid
of different things. Public speaking. I don't even like public speaking.
This isn't public speaking. I'm talking to a camera. I
don't like standing in front of people talking. People don't
like to fly and in business, and I think social
media has increased this. People don't like to be humiliated.
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People don't like to take big swings and fail and
get ridiculed on social media. Be one thing years ago.
If you're a GM twenty five thirty years ago, you
make a move and you get ripped, and maybe ESPN
sports spender and spends a segment on it. Now a million,
two million, three million people, avalanche comes flying down the
hill making fun of you. But if you take the
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fear out, most of it doesn't really exist. I talked
about this last week. There's a study that eighty to
eighty five percent of things that create anxiety and fear
in our minds never materialize. They never happen. So the
boys have to pay Ceedee Lamb. He hasn't shown up
to camp, and yesterday I led the show with a
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Justin Jefferson contract thirty five million a year. Well, he
was drafted same year as Ceedee Lamb and Ceedee Lamb.
All his numbers look a lot like Justin Jefferson, except
CD plays for a bigger brand. Ceed never gets hurt.
CD's getting better every year. Ceedee Lamb and Justin Jefferson.
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I'm putting them on the screen. Radio listeners, I apologize,
same dude. One plays for a bigger brand. If you're
going to sign Micah and you have to, and you're
going to sign Cede Lamb and you should, you may
have to walk away from Dak and that scares people.
But the Vikings, pretty well run franchised, just walked away
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from Kirk Cousins. The Seahawks walked away from Russell Wilson
and made the playoffs. The Packers walked away from Aaron
Rodgers and made the playoffs too. We have more quarterbacks
than ever coming out of college. The twenty eighteen class
gave us Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, even Sam
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Darnold starting again. The twenty twenty class didn't even have
a bust. It went five for five Burrow two of
Herbert Love Hurtz no busts. Add on to that, the
quarterback coaching is better than ever, so you get players
who missed initially or wobbled initially, like Gino Smith and
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Baker Mayfield, that become reclamation projects. You also have in
the NFL more empowerment for star players. At least one
star quarterback a year walks once out Aaron Stafford, Brady Russell, Wilson.
Take a deep breath. You're gonna have to pay CD Lamb,
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You're gonna have to pay Micah. They're top two or
three in the sport at their position. What you don't
have to pay is fifty eight million dollars to a
quarterback that just got housed at home by young Jordan Love,
the youngest Packer playoff team ever and one of the
youngest playoff teams since the nineteen seventy Bills. It's all
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this fear about what to do. Look at what quarterback
classes have given us twenty eighteen, twenty twenty. Look at
this class. Bo Nicks, Caleb, Jadeen Daniels, Pennix, JJ McCarthy,
Drake May more quarterbacks, better coaching. Take a deep breath,
but you're gonna have to pay Cede Lamb. He's the
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closest thing statistically in this league to Justin Jefferson. And
what's interesting about that commp is that if you take
Dak's stats, they're nearly identical to Kirk Cousins, who was
Justin Jefferson's quarterback. Through all of this fear drives a
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lot of decisions, more good young quarterbacks, more excellent quarterback coaching.
What you can't do If I'm going to defend the
Vikings signing Justin Jefferson, I'm a hypocrite not to do
the same with the Cowboys and CD Lamb, Jmack. Hopefully
the media gets their bearings on the WNBA, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Not bloody likely.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I don't see that happening anytime soon. Man, This is
this is a bit of a mess, you.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Know, what May through September. You and I are looking
for things to talk about. Yeah, this has been in
my world. I've had seven or eight WNBA topics in
my business. The easy parts, like being an accountant in April.
The easy part for me is Labor Day till March first,
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That is the easy part. Then we get a little
NBA free agency in March, Madness early March, right, and
then we get the NFL Draft in April, some NBA
stuff in May and June, but a lot of May, June, July,
and August. We're looking for topics, guys. We got to
figure out how to cover it because well, this is increasingly.
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We got a villain, we got a star, we have growth,
we have media screwing up covering it. It's becoming. It's
a thing.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Listen, it's not just the media. The players have to understand. Hey,
you know, there's gonna be a lot more cameras and
microphones in your face now, and you can't just wash
away a flagrant, foul, cheap shot. The girl still has
not a apologized, and I don't expect an apology yet,
but how about actually saying what the hell you were
doing when Draymond Green stomps on someone, he's got to
answer questions about it, Colin, That's how it works. Well
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the media, Hey, the result of the Warriors Kings game
was great, But Draymond, what are you doing? You got ejected,
you stomped on someone. Tell us what happened, and players
have to address it. This woman still has not said.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
But why do they have to address it? Our job
is to address actions. Sometimes athletes have a right to
say no comment.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Yeah, no comment on why I body check someone when
the ball wasn't in bounce. Miss Carter whatever her name is.
Nobody cares about the results of the game. Sorry, they
care about that moment. Were you cheap shotted?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
But she star of the league.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But she did respond, she said, it's a foul. We
were all past it.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Well, why would you do that? Well, I still don't
know why you would and end angel reasons. Why'd you
jump off the bed celebrating that?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, because because just like pro basketball for men, there
are enforcers, there are instigators. There's a wink and a
nod when you go out and attack the other star player.
You do realize Draymond doesn't go after bench guys. Draymond
usually go after like Dennis Rodman went after Magic. Yeah,
that's fair, Okay, Kennedy Carter had a role. She's the
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Pat Bev. Pat Bebb's not chasing down the thirteenth guy
on the Celtic roster. He's gonna get in Tatum and
Jalen Brown or Drew Holliday's face. Kennedy Carter is there,
Pat Bev and Rodman and Draymond Green. And although it
drives us crazy when Draymond does that writer Pat Bev
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and it now driving us crazy. Let's just understand though
this is part of basketball. Part of basketball is the
annoying player who is often less skilled, the instigator that
wants to get in the head of the other star player.
This is common through all of men's college basketball, the NBA,
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European Basketball, and now the WNBA. But it's nothing, it's
nothing I haven't seen. We just aren't comfortable with it.
The Caitlin Clark, the Kennedy Carter. I think people there's
something about there's a racial component, there's a there's a
Midwest girl, the underdog in Iowa. I mean, there's no
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question there's some coastal animosity in.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
America getting political because you know, but just one final point.
Colin again, like I get the Pat Bev analogy. He
literally in players in the playoffs before he took out
Russell Westbrook, Like there was like a serious indes knock
them out of the playoffs. And I'm just saying these
girls can be a physical as they want.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
That's fine. Well, guess who's gonna be the biggest loser.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
If Caitlin Clark hads decked on a cheap shot and
is that a month with a concussion or an ac
at whatever.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Listen, that's a big hit to the league. And we're
not doing topics on the WNBA. If Caitlin Clark's knocked.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Out for a month that didn't happen. Let's not create
stories that don't happen. Let's cover the ones that do. Okay,
And it was simply a hard foul. It was not
a salt. I have a cheap shot, would you go there?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Probably, And I've seen those all through the NBA. Let's
not guys create stuff that's not happening. Again, this is
what I said. We're all projecting onto the screen what
we want to see and want to happen, instead of
just covering what happened. It's just a hard foul. And
by the way, if you watch the video, the crowd
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gets up, Hey, that's a hard foul, just like they
do with the NBA. Fans are on it, but let's
not make it into it's an assault. What if she
would have been out or broken a leg. She's not
a skier. That didn't happen. They don't break legs very
often in pro basketball. By the way, the Bad Boy
Pistons never forget this. The Bad Boy Pistons are absolutely
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one of the reasons that we love Michael Jordan Moore
because we rooted for this kid from Carolina, this skinny
kid who got tackled for years, was an other world
talent and actually we all hated outside of Detroit the Pistons,
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so it was Detroit tackling him eventually bad sports when
he wouldn't they wouldn't shake their hand. That elevated the
love for Michael because he overcame something. So Caitlin Clark
is benefiting. She's going to have to overcome her rookie year,
this hard, insane schedule, Kennedy Carter banging on her. This
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is going to empower Caitlin Clark's brand. The sport are
feeling for because she overcomes something. Nothing worthwhile in life
is easy. It's all messy, it's all hard. Jordan's journey,
Brady's journey. The reason Tom Brady is likable yet is,
you know, like a model and worth five hundred million dollars.
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The reason we like Brady, the reason he's relatable, is
the journey struggled at Michigan, crapped on by Belichick, didn't
have dinner. He was always wanting Bill to put his
arms around him and say congrats. After the first Super
Bowl he gets into the limo. Bill's in a limo
with him. They're going to like a TV show and
Bill acts like nothing happened the night before. And so
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Tom was searching for that love and he never got
it from Bill. Twenty years no dinner. That's what makes
Tom likable. This is all benefiting Caitlin Clark. It makes
her journey ugly and bumpy and tough, and that's why
we love Jordan. That's what if Michael Jordan just came
out that good looking, that good one titles first year,
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the path was always easy, it would be smug, it
wouldn't it wouldn't feel the same way. People write movies,
they all have a villain. If you don't, you insert
a villain. Even when they do, you know, true stories,
people will look back and say, well, they sort of
added a love interest, they added sort of a villain
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that they hollywooded it up. They made a movie about
Jesus and they hollywooded it up. Why because you want conflict.
This is the conflict in the movie. It's the first
scene in the movie. There's conflict in it, and it's
gonna make us love Caitlin Clark anymore. I listen. I'm
a hypocrite. I have always supported Raymond Green, so I'm
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gonna support the instigator. I'm gonna supp the enforcer. They're
part of this landscape, this movie that makes sports amthic.
So the only thing I may watch on TV now
is sports. I don't need writers for it. The athletes
provide that context.
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Let's start with the NBA Finals.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
The Mavericks head to Boston for Game one on Thursday.
Dallas six and a half point dog in Game one,
and they're a bigger underdog in this series.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Derek Jones, Junior, the unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Defensive player for the mav says, that's not how the
team views themselves.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
We believe I would be anybody I don't underdog. I
don't like that really, but I mean everybody won't keep
putting that narrative on us. So we go out there
and we played a game like were supposed to play.
I don't really think anybody can beat us in the
seven game series.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Can't wait for it Thursday nights the opener. I have
so many reservations about my Boston Celtics to win in
six pick. I really don't feel great about it because
I don't know what porzingis looks like. But I'll tell
you what you start and at the top of the hour,
I'll list the ten best players in this. It is
remarkable how good the playing the quality of players in
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this I mean even on the defensive side, Derek White,
Drew Holliday, Jones, and Luke is actually playing some defense.
The quality of defense and offense in this series. Like,
I still think Denver would be favored next year. I do,
but I think it does feel like the right teams
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ended up there. A hot team who's really talented and
took big swings in personnel, and the team that's dominated
the East most of the last six to eight years. Yeah,
I feel like this is a very worthy final.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Oh hecky, last year, Miami Denver, it didn't have the
juice when you did the ten.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Players last year.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
You know, you start to get to seven eight, it's
like thinning out a little bit.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
There's a lot more talent in this sah, there's no
question I was.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
I did the write up for Fox Sports about gambling
gambling on this series, and I dug this setup. The
MAVs in their last seven as underdogs in the playoffs
are six and one straight up as a dog.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
They're winning well, I think, like just straight up winning.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I think one of the components to their personality, perhaps
it's the primary component, is they've got dog they I mean,
Kyrie's trying to go into this series and shut Boston
up because of that relationship. Luca wants to prove not Jokic,
I'm the best player here. In a lot of Tatum talk,
So Dallas is playing with something that, if in the
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history of sports, is very powerful, a chip on their shoulder. Yeah,
Boston really isn't. It's more comfortable. They breathe through the East.
They've been here before the chip.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I mean, you've been banging on Tatum on this show.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
For a minute.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
They live in a very very comfortable world of clobbering
bad Eastern team.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
The only issue I have for Dallas in Game one,
the only two games they've lost in the playoffs that
were double digit losses.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
We're Game one, okay, see.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
And trying to figure out they maybe they played better
from behind, maybe they played better with a little angst.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Yeah, Game one, feeling out process, showing the Boston is
going to be fired up, and you know it's a
big game for the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
They do not want to fall behind one to start
the series.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Next up, let's go to Trevor Lawrence, one of a
handful of quarterbacks eligible for a contract extension this offseason.
Jacks have not locked him into a new deal, yet
he's not worried about it about Jacksonville keeping him long term.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
Obviously, I'm aware of what's going on, but I try
to keep my folks son you know, doing my job
out here. You know, I have full belief that that
I'll take care of itself and that's not something that
I need to worry about. You know. That's why I
pay people and hire people to do that for me.
So that's not my job. But you know, obviously I
know what's going on. I'm aware of the situation. I
think that's important too, But yeah, try to keep all
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my focus and energy on being the best player I
can be, so help us one.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, yeah, I said. It reminds me a little of
Griffy with the Mariners. Griffy felt like if he left
baseball could leave Seattle. If Trevor Lawrence is not a
Jaguar never gets drafted by them, this franchise maybe getting
moved to London.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Well, they're talking about it.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
They don't think it.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Come on, now, our staff did put to I'm loath
to even bring this up. Listen, a lot of people
do it online. They do the comparisons, so people will
look at Trevor Lawrence and Daniel Jones is kind of
like your blind tastes. Oh boy, and again listen, I
get it, these are counting numbers.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
But Colin no, but he was a functioning brain, would
put Daniel.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Jones in that Stratusfy However, some of the numbers complete
a percentage touchdown passes, you know, kind of similar.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I think not a great look for Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yes, I think. I think early in careers, based on
what you inherit that young quarterbacks justin Herbert's comp numbers
are going to change after this year with Harball because
he's yet to have a good coach. So I think
you can throw a lot of things up. I think
Dak and Cousins, after multiple coaches and multiple years, their
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comp's more realistic. I think right now we know Trevor
Lawrence is better than Daniel Jones. I think we know
that Trevor Lawrence means more to the franchise than Daniel
Jones does to his But I think it's a fair
criticism that both Jones and Trevor Lawrence get dinged up
a lot and haven't kind of gone to the next level.
I don't think Jones can I think Trevor.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Can and the real test is Okay, Sure, Trevor Lawrence
is underachieved.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
His first year with Urban Meyer was awful. The numbers
were terrible.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
But if Daniel Jones hits the market at the end
of the season, how many teams are clamoring.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
For his services? I would sobably like none.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I would say Trevor Lawrence would have a half dozen
teams that would be absolutely interested. Minimum.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
You sure it's not like fifteen and.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
No, I'm saying minimum because we're getting to a point,
a saturation point where most teams have quarterbacks. But I
mean there would be a bidding war for Trevor Lawrence.
Bidding war among like your Raiders. Potentially the Patriots listen, Dallas, Dallas.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
It's not gonna.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Happen, but they would pay Trevor Lawrence fifty MILLI year
in a heartbeat over Dacka.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
I don't think there's any debates.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
There's no debate. Your ultimate value is when you hit
the market. Trevor Lawrence's value on the market would be substantial, but.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
He won't hit the market. There's no way, Jacksonville, let's happened.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
He's grippy to the Mariners. He is, he is the franchise.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I do just wonder what's the hold up?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
You always ask this question. Contracts when you get to
that number can take nine months to figure out.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Oh, and this is the face of the franchise. They've
known this coming for more than nine months.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
But there's a lot of things in play here.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Oh really it's Trevor Lawrence, the number one pick, the
face of the franchise. Well, I don't think you automatically
give him the Joe Burrow yo. But hey, Trevor, you
good with fifty million years?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Well, I mean, Shad Cohn's a very successful business person.
He's going to negotiate it. He would like to get
a deal.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
One of the things that Patrick Mahomes leaned into early
was a team friendly deal. Brady leaned into team friendly deal.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
But I yeah, we gotta have cross Brady off because
he had the wife.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Of one time. Mahomes, by the way, did a very
team friendly deal this first big contract, So there's probably.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
You can restructure these deals after two years.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Of Justin Herbert's deal. If you look at it is
very team viable, very team friendly. So I think that
is what a lot of owners say is listen, I'll spend,
but the more I give you, the less I can
give you to work with. So I think that these
conversations take time and patience. You just don't go to
Trevor Lawrence and go, hey, can you take a little
bit of a pay cut? Can we hold back? It's
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a lot of massaging. Yes, you got you gotta do
a lot of this massaging. He's just saying, these you guys,
you think they do it on a napkin over at
Applebee's and figure it out.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
They could have done the Trevor Lawrence deal on a
napkin and applebes nine months ago.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Final story is Jim Harbaugh entering his first season as
the Chargers head coach, big expectations now the off season
program is ramping up. He doesn't think anyone will be
outworking his team this summer.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So far, has its been great with the team.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
We've just been working chipping away, you know, really every
day about nine straight weeks with the fellows and uh
practically perfect attendants. I think that's an incredible edge that
we have, just the way our guys are working in
the offseason, and we keep that going at that edge
is going to continue to grow.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
No, I don't think there's any question.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
The perfect, nearly perfect attendance.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Nobody's missing, everybody's all.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
One to play for Jim Harball, shocker, guys not showing
up for the Jets.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Guy's not showing up for the Cowboys, Jets.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Make sure you put the Jets in there.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I don't know, I don't know if we're gonna talk
about it. It's only Hassan Reddick. I mean, come on, Jim
Marbles seventeen times more important.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And Jets are gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
They're an eleven one team.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Sure sounds like you're convincing yourself with that, not me.
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Things I appreciate about. You've got a lot of energy,
and you get worked up over stuff. That whole Caitlin
Clark thing. Everybody's getting worked up. It's like, you gotta
let stuff happen. You can't project what you think is
gonna happen. Caitlyn Clark. It was a hard foul. It
wasn't an assault. It was a hard foul. That's all
it was. That happens every weekend in men's women's college basketball.
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It happens a all the time, hard fouls. Take a
deep breath. We're all, including Caitlin Clark. We're all gonna
be okay.
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Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, I've said this for years. Once you get over
the parody thing in sports, which doesn't really exist. We're
always trying to engineer parody in sports, and it's almost
like the tax situation for my entire life, tax the rich.
Why does the gap keep widening. It's not working whatever
you're doing. At some point, I gave up caring about parody.
(31:26):
College football doesn't have it. I mean, Michigan won a
national championship, Ohio State and Georgia our favored to win
next year. Okay, it's the same team college basketball, Kansas, Yukon,
Carolina Tennis Serena Federer dominant players for decades. It's the
same countries in the Winter Olympics and the Summer Olympics dominate.
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I mean even the NFL, which is the sport we
view as the league of parody. I think Mahomes and
Brady have made the AFC Championship in the thirteen straight years,
or I think that's right. It's like baseball doesn't need parody.
Yankees and Dodgers right now have completely stacked lineups. Yankees
don't even have a Garrett Cole their starting pitcher. They're
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ace available, and they don't Their eer leads baseball. If
you took the Yankees and the Dodgers, and you went
and you combine them for a batting order today, if
you combine them for a batting order, think about how
good this is. You'd lead off with Mookie Betts. He
would play second, Juan Soto right field, show Hey o
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Toanni would be the DH. Aaron Judge would be in center.
Freddie Freeman Dodgers would be at first. John Carlos Stanton
in left, Will Smith the catcher, Anthony Volpe the shortstop.
Yankees bats eight. We'd put Max Mounthzy, who's not healthy,
at nine. He had thirty six jacks last year. He'd
be a cleanup hitter for most of baseball. He had
thirty six jacks. We'll put him at nine. So Kershaw's
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not back, Garrett Cole's not healthy. These are the two
best teams, teams overwhelmingly, two of the only teams in
baseball that can consistently hit. And I'm here for it.
One shit, get over, I said when I first started
at the other place. I said this. For years. Everybody
talks about they love the underdog. No you don't. I
saw TCU play Boise State in a Fiesta Bowl. Nobody
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watched every time Duke Kansas Carolina get knocked out of
March Madness, the ratings go down. You're not rooting for
the underdog. That's just nonsense. NFL ratings twenty years have
been up, except the Kaepernick year. That kind of protest. Here,
they've been up. Brady and Mahomes have completely dominated it,
throwing Peyton Manning. So I'm I'm here for dominance. I
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want all time great teams. I'm here for it. And
these these rosters are stacked, you know. And what's interesting
about baseball is that the Yankees and the Dodgers just
just decided to go all in. The Yankees can complain
from time to time, but they got a big payroll.
The Red Sox used to be in the class and
then they moved off Monkey Betts, they moved off a
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couple of stars, and they just feel like they're a
mile away from these teams in terms of overall talent.
And I'm okay with that as well. Speaking of Boston,
Kyrie Irving, so you know, so Kyrie was very briefly
in Boston. It was really brief. The relationship between Kyrie
and the Celtics, it's sort of like the girl you
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date during the summer on the East Coast when you're
visiting your grandparents. You know, it's like one of those
relationships in your life you kind of remember it. He
was only there for one playoff run, and everybody's worked
out Kyrie Irving. I understand Boston booze. You get a
couple of Sam Adams in. You know your guy in Boston,
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he's gonna boot Kyrie Irving. But I feel like he's
a different person, He's a different player. It's a different time.
Here's Kyrie in the finals, not this regular season.
Speaker 11 (34:53):
But when we played in the playoffs and everyone saw
me flip off the birds and kind of lose my
a little bit, that wasn't a great reflection of who
I I am and how I like to compete. I'm
built for these moments, to be able to handle circumstances
like that, and I've been able to grow since then.
So of course it's going to be a hectic environment.
But I'm looking forward to it, and I see it
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as a healthy relationship to have with the fans. You know,
almost think about Gladiator. Just win the crowd over. You know,
it's good to hear to TD Garden silent when you're
playing well.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
By the way, since he left Boston's on their third coach.
Leaving Lebron is worse than what happened in Boston. They
were on the verge of being like dynastic. They were
that good, blowing up Brooklyn. Not playing the vaccine stuff,
that's worse. This was two years one playoff run. And
by the way, when Jason Tatum and the Celtics collapsed
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in the finals against the Warriors, Kyrie didn't have anything
to do with that. Nothing. When they got beat as
a number two seed by scrappy playing Miami in the playoffs,
Kyrie had nothing to do with that. And I understand
people boot ten times Kyrie has faced the Celtics. He's
over ten, he's faced him eighteen times. I'm sure they'll
be booing that's just the way it is. But I honestly,
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Kyrie feels like a different guy for the time being.
It's a different time. Celtics can't point to Kyrie and
blame them for anything. I mean, they didn't get any
picks when he left. But in the end, he didn't
slow down the train. He didn't slow down the momentum.
So it's weird. Maybe there's just so much in sports
that it's all a blur. But I barely remember the
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Boston stuff. He didn't like playing in Boston and they
didn't like him. By the end, all right, they moved
on like the divorce. Boston won it like convincingly. I don't,
I don't, I don't. I don't get all the animosity
like it hasn't had anything to do with the Celtics
collapse against the Warriors or that awful series when they
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were upset by playing Miami. Kyrie didn't have anything to
do with that. And the truth of the matter is
be mad at your coach when you had an elite coach.
He fooled around and got fired, get mad at the coach.
All of Boston's problems have been Boston's problems and Boston's issues.
Kyrie's not really any part of it. He didn't slow
anything down because Tatum and Brown at that time weren't
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ready to run over the league. They just weren't read.
They were young players, they weren't even in their prime.
They were defining their careers. It's a whole different ballgame.
I do think players. I don't think crowds, generally in
sports rattle players. You know, Boston's pretty loud. Draymond Green
wants to acknowledge like he could hear insults and it
kind of affected him. My guess is, Kyrie plays incredibly well,
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and this thing goes six or seven, I'll still take Boston.
I don't have any confidence because I don't know how
porzingis is with his health. But J Mack keeps he's
very good at digging before you get to these big games,
digging in on these things. And what he's finding is
you can point to both the Celtics and the Mavericks
and look at little flawdencies which speak well of the
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opponent you're facing. I still believe it's an old school
Dallas chip on the shoulder, dominant star team against a
new school collaborative. Everybody shares the ball team, So to me,
in a macro level, what makes it fascinating, it's new
basketball collaborative against an old school team. Kyrie Luca, get
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me the ball, get out of the way, high usage,
take the game over late. The two best finishers Dallas
the better roster Boston. So beyond just individual players, it
feels a little bit like old school new school basketball.
That to me is what makes it fascinating.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Largely with you.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
I just worry for Dallas that this this is OKC
on steroids. That's what Boston is, right, A lot of
flexible wing players, but a lot better shooters. And they
got Porzingis in the chet Holmgren role. And you know,
I know Dallas dominated the boards in that series. But
if Boston's got open three the last time they met
after the deadline, I think.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Was March first, Boston hit twenty one three pointers and
Dallas gives up.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
You know, if they're making twenty one threes, they're not
gonna lose any games in the series.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Should be a fun one.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
I'm kind of rooting Dallas, but I do not want
Tatum to to like be terrible, because then you'll, you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Not gonna we mean all, I won't do anything. He's
not gonna be terrible.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Tatum vanishing act for nine minutes in the.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Fourth quarter, well, he did have one of them.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
He was dominant in overtime.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
He won't, he won't vanish. Tatum will have a good series.
Will he have a great series? I don't know. Luca
will have a great series. That's the only player in
this My guess is Jalen Brown and Luca will have
great series. I don't know if Tatum and Kyrie will.
Nobody's gonna stop Luca Jalen Brown. Jalen Brown is really
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good and you kind of get the same thing out
of him every game. I always feel what Jyalen Brown,
I know, you can just put down twenty four and
a half points good defense. I get the same thing Tatum.
Maybe it's because my ex spectations are higher. I think
he I think he moves into bad shots, he gets
into bad shot cycles and game gets a little bit
into his head. Same with Kyrie. But if you told
me Luca or Jalen Brown would be MVPs depending on
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if their team's won, I wouldn't be surprised that, you know,
don't like this. That would be a great story. Wins
and Jalen Brown.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Just got the Eastern Conference Larry Bird Trophy whatever that
thing is did Jaylen Brown?
Speaker 4 (40:25):
He was the MVP of the conference finals.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
What happens if Jalen Brown is then the NBA Finals
MVT Tatum?
Speaker 4 (40:32):
So what happened? I mean, what happens if Kaylen Clark
gets hurt? Don't look in the future.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
What happens if Jalen Brown, You're killing Hour two next
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men lose their minds. Nick Right one hour from now,
Jmac Yesterday, the sports world mostly men, overwhelmingly ESBN hosts, others,
editorial boards lost their mind. They don't know how to
cover Caitlin Clark of the WNBA. So I'm gonna I'm
(01:10):
gonna try to help help them out. Please, I'll be
the consultant on this. So uh. The Chicago Tribune editorial
board defended Caitlin Clark and said that a hard foul
on her. They likened it to an assault. If this
wasn't sports it would be an assault. No, it would
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be a flagrant foul, which the sport penalizes through free throws. Oh, boy, guys,
here's the here's the ultimate respect that you can give
Caitlin Clark. Treat her like a pro athlete, because that's
what she is with a twenty eight million dollar shoe deal.
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She's tough and she's competitive, so is Angel Reese. Stop pandering,
stop coddling, start stop detecting. WNBA players are pro athletes.
We got a lot of pro leagues all over the world.
They're pro athletes. Now I hear this pushback, Well, how
come you guys didn't cover us before Caitlin Clark because
(02:13):
you weren't that popular. I don't cover hockey because the
average sports fan can't name three players. I don't cover
regular season baseball much. I don't cover college basketball, men's
or women's much before March. I'm in the omelet business.
I'm not in the egg business. You need to be
made before I talk about you. It's not my job
to make you popular, So I will push back on you.
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Didn't talk about you. I didn't talk much golf until
Tiger Woods arrived. This league needed a catalyst WNBA got
better and better and better, and so did women's basketball.
I've talked about this for fifteen years. It's the most
improved sport in my lifetime. More young women, multiple generations
are encouraged now to get into sports, and basketball has
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taken off. The league just needed a catalyst and they
got it and now we talk about it. But let's
stop treating these pro athletes more like the women part
instead of the pro athlete part. Caitlin Clark is acknowledged
she played with boys. She's rough, she can be intimidating.
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There's footage on the Internet of her shoving college players
on the floor. There is also a racial component in
this with her and Angel Reeves and Kennedy Carter. That's undeniable.
But she's become a screen that everybody is projecting what
they want her to be instead of what she is.
Tough as nails, great professional athlete, and let's not be
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pandering and cringey and weird. Just treat her like a
pro basketball player. She's got a twenty eight million dollar
shoe deal, four or five national endorsements. She's gonna be fine.
And I loved I loved Kennedy Carter. You know the
one that assaulted her. I loved her pushback on this
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entire situation.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
At the end of the day, it's all of outside
of basketball. Well we're in those core lines. It's smoke
after it's all love. I promise we're a genuine team,
We're a genuine person. We're not We didn't hit her
like she was out on the street.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
It just happened.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Like it's over with.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I don't know what we're dragging it, but we could
see you to jag. A flake that happened in a
whole fourth quarter happened after that. Multiple events happened after
that guy. So we just got to let that play go.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
These women are not fragile. Some of you men who
are covering them are Phil Knight's opening manifesto at Nike.
He wrote ten things when he started the company, and
number nine is my favorite. It won't be pretty. The
WNBA is exploding in popularity, and it's going to be turbulent.
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Like a tech business, media business, whenever anything goes from
semi noticeable to really popular, it's turbulent. You see it
with individuals in the entertainment business. Now you're seeing it
with a league. It's a little turbulent. It's a quickly
ascending business and they're never pretty and they're going through
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their ugly stage right here with the media doesn't know
what to ask and it's cringy and it's assault and
they're defending it. But I loved Angel Reese coming out.
Her and Caitlin Clark go back to college and she
gets it. She understands what I talked about yesterday. She's
willing to play the villain. There are no great movies
without conflict. The more conflict, the more villains, the better
(05:49):
the script, the better the streaming movie. And here's Angel
Reese on this entire period we're going through with the
WNBA and Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
It all started from the National Championship game. And I've
been dealing with this for two years now and understanding,
like yet negative things have probably been said about me,
But honestly, I'll take that because look where women's basketball is.
People are talking about women's basketball. You never would think
that we talk about women's basketball. People are pulling up
to games. We got celebrities coming to games, soda au arenas,
like just because of one single game, and just looking
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at that, like I'll take that role I'll take the
bad guy role, and I'll continue to take that on
and be that for my teammates. And if I want
to be that, and I know I'll go down in history.
I'll look back in twenty years and be like, Yeah,
the reason why we're watching women's basketball is not just
because of one person.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
It's because of me too.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
And I want you to realize.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
That she's gonna be the villain. She's gonna be the
Draymond Green. Now, Caitlyn Clark. Maybe she has the potential
to be the star that's scoring all the points, but
there's always somebody who makes movies and sports in a
seven game series in March madness more compelling. I love
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the fact is this sport explodes and nobody in the
media quite knows how to handle it, mostly guys who
are not quite sure how to handle it. At WNBA,
you got players saying it's all love.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
We didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
In the street. You got another one saying I'll be
the villain. Kayln Clark said, yeah, it's no big deal.
I got knocked out all the time I've pushed people.
They're not fragile, we are. They're tough, they're defiant, They're
gonna be fine. Embrace them, have a good time. They're
pro athletes. Kaylin Clark doesn't mind getting pushed down. She'll
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push right back. She'll get free throws. Angel Reese, I'll
be the villain. Kennedy Carter. Well, you guys talking about
it still we moved on. It's all love. You understand
what's happening here. These pro athletes get it. We're struggling
to figure it out. Speaking of figured it out, Fear
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drives a lot lot of decisions, and people are afraid
of different things. Public speaking. I don't even like public speaking.
This isn't public speaking. I'm talking to a camera. I
don't like standing in front of people talking. People don't
like to fly and in business, and I think social
media has increased this. People don't like to be humiliated.
(08:21):
People don't like to take big swings and fail and
get ridiculed on social media. Be one thing years ago.
If you're a GM twenty five thirty years ago, you
make a move and you get ripped, and maybe ESPN
sports spender and spends a segment on it. Now a million,
two million, three million people, avalanche comes flying down the
hill making fun of you. But if you take the
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fear out, most of it doesn't really exist. I talked
about this last week. There's a study that eighty to
eighty five percent of things that create anxiety and fear
in our minds never materialize. They never happen. So the
boys have to pay Ceedee Lamb. He hasn't shown up
to camp, and yesterday I led the show with a
(09:07):
Justin Jefferson contract thirty five million a year. Well, he
was drafted same year as Ceedee Lamb and Ceedee Lamb.
All his numbers look a lot like Justin Jefferson, except
CD plays for a bigger brand. Ceed never gets hurt.
CD's getting better every year. Ceedee Lamb and Justin Jefferson.
(09:28):
I'm putting them on the screen. Radio listeners, I apologize,
same dude. One plays for a bigger brand. If you're
going to sign Micah and you have to, and you're
going to sign Cede Lamb and you should, you may
have to walk away from Dak and that scares people.
But the Vikings, pretty well run franchised, just walked away
(09:50):
from Kirk Cousins. The Seahawks walked away from Russell Wilson
and made the playoffs. The Packers walked away from Aaron
Rodgers and made the playoffs too. We have more quarterbacks
than ever coming out of college. The twenty eighteen class
gave us Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, even Sam
(10:10):
Darnold starting again. The twenty twenty class didn't even have
a bust. It went five for five Burrow two of
Herbert Love Hurtz no busts. Add on to that, the
quarterback coaching is better than ever, so you get players
who missed initially or wobbled initially, like Gino Smith and
(10:30):
Baker Mayfield, that become reclamation projects. You also have in
the NFL more empowerment for star players. At least one
star quarterback a year walks once out Aaron Stafford, Brady Russell, Wilson.
Take a deep breath. You're gonna have to pay CD Lamb,
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You're gonna have to pay Micah. They're top two or
three in the sport at their position. What you don't
have to pay is fifty eight million dollars to a
quarterback that just got housed at home by young Jordan Love,
the youngest Packer playoff team ever and one of the
youngest playoff teams since the nineteen seventy Bills. It's all
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this fear about what to do. Look at what quarterback
classes have given us twenty eighteen, twenty twenty. Look at
this class. Bo Nicks, Caleb, Jadeen Daniels, Pennix, JJ McCarthy,
Drake May more quarterbacks, better coaching. Take a deep breath,
but you're gonna have to pay Cede Lamb. He's the
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closest thing statistically in this league to Justin Jefferson. And
what's interesting about that commp is that if you take
Dak's stats, they're nearly identical to Kirk Cousins, who was
Justin Jefferson's quarterback. Through all of this fear drives a
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lot of decisions, more good young quarterbacks, more excellent quarterback coaching.
What you can't do If I'm going to defend the
Vikings signing Justin Jefferson, I'm a hypocrite not to do
the same with the Cowboys and CD Lamb, Jmack. Hopefully
the media gets their bearings on the WNBA, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Not bloody likely.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I don't see that happening anytime soon. Man, This is
this is a bit of a mess, you.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Know, what May through September. You and I are looking
for things to talk about. Yeah, this has been in
my world. I've had seven or eight WNBA topics in
my business. The easy parts, like being an accountant in April.
The easy part for me is Labor Day till March first,
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That is the easy part. Then we get a little
NBA free agency in March, Madness early March, right, and
then we get the NFL Draft in April, some NBA
stuff in May and June, but a lot of May, June, July,
and August. We're looking for topics, guys. We got to
figure out how to cover it because well, this is increasingly.
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We got a villain, we got a star, we have growth,
we have media screwing up covering it. It's becoming. It's
a thing.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Listen, it's not just the media. The players have to understand. Hey,
you know, there's gonna be a lot more cameras and
microphones in your face now, and you can't just wash
away a flagrant, foul, cheap shot. The girl still has
not a apologized, and I don't expect an apology yet,
but how about actually saying what the hell you were
doing when Draymond Green stomps on someone, he's got to
answer questions about it, Colin, That's how it works. Well
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the media, Hey, the result of the Warriors Kings game
was great, But Draymond, what are you doing? You got ejected,
you stomped on someone. Tell us what happened, and players
have to address it. This woman still has not said.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
But why do they have to address it? Our job
is to address actions. Sometimes athletes have a right to
say no comment.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Yeah, no comment on why I body check someone when
the ball wasn't in bounce. Miss Carter whatever her name is.
Nobody cares about the results of the game. Sorry, they
care about that moment. Were you cheap shotted?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
But she star of the league.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But she did respond, she said, it's a foul. We
were all past it.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Well, why would you do that? Well, I still don't
know why you would and end angel reasons. Why'd you
jump off the bed celebrating that?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, because because just like pro basketball for men, there
are enforcers, there are instigators. There's a wink and a
nod when you go out and attack the other star player.
You do realize Draymond doesn't go after bench guys. Draymond
usually go after like Dennis Rodman went after Magic. Yeah,
that's fair, Okay, Kennedy Carter had a role. She's the
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Pat Bev. Pat Bebb's not chasing down the thirteenth guy
on the Celtic roster. He's gonna get in Tatum and
Jalen Brown or Drew Holliday's face. Kennedy Carter is there,
Pat Bev and Rodman and Draymond Green. And although it
drives us crazy when Draymond does that writer Pat Bev
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and it now driving us crazy. Let's just understand though
this is part of basketball. Part of basketball is the
annoying player who is often less skilled, the instigator that
wants to get in the head of the other star player.
This is common through all of men's college basketball, the NBA,
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European Basketball, and now the WNBA. But it's nothing, it's
nothing I haven't seen. We just aren't comfortable with it.
The Caitlin Clark, the Kennedy Carter. I think people there's
something about there's a racial component, there's a there's a
Midwest girl, the underdog in Iowa. I mean, there's no
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question there's some coastal animosity in.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
America getting political because you know, but just one final point.
Colin again, like I get the Pat Bev analogy. He
literally in players in the playoffs before he took out
Russell Westbrook, Like there was like a serious indes knock
them out of the playoffs. And I'm just saying these
girls can be a physical as they want.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
That's fine. Well, guess who's gonna be the biggest loser.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
If Caitlin Clark hads decked on a cheap shot and
is that a month with a concussion or an ac
at whatever.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Listen, that's a big hit to the league. And we're
not doing topics on the WNBA. If Caitlin Clark's knocked.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Out for a month that didn't happen. Let's not create
stories that don't happen. Let's cover the ones that do. Okay,
And it was simply a hard foul. It was not
a salt. I have a cheap shot, would you go there?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Probably, And I've seen those all through the NBA. Let's
not guys create stuff that's not happening. Again, this is
what I said. We're all projecting onto the screen what
we want to see and want to happen, instead of
just covering what happened. It's just a hard foul. And
by the way, if you watch the video, the crowd
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gets up, Hey, that's a hard foul, just like they
do with the NBA. Fans are on it, but let's
not make it into it's an assault. What if she
would have been out or broken a leg. She's not
a skier. That didn't happen. They don't break legs very
often in pro basketball. By the way, the Bad Boy
Pistons never forget this. The Bad Boy Pistons are absolutely
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one of the reasons that we love Michael Jordan Moore
because we rooted for this kid from Carolina, this skinny
kid who got tackled for years, was an other world
talent and actually we all hated outside of Detroit the Pistons,
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so it was Detroit tackling him eventually bad sports when
he wouldn't they wouldn't shake their hand. That elevated the
love for Michael because he overcame something. So Caitlin Clark
is benefiting. She's going to have to overcome her rookie year,
this hard, insane schedule, Kennedy Carter banging on her. This
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is going to empower Caitlin Clark's brand. The sport are
feeling for because she overcomes something. Nothing worthwhile in life
is easy. It's all messy, it's all hard. Jordan's journey,
Brady's journey. The reason Tom Brady is likable yet is,
you know, like a model and worth five hundred million dollars.
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The reason we like Brady, the reason he's relatable, is
the journey struggled at Michigan, crapped on by Belichick, didn't
have dinner. He was always wanting Bill to put his
arms around him and say congrats. After the first Super
Bowl he gets into the limo. Bill's in a limo
with him. They're going to like a TV show and
Bill acts like nothing happened the night before. And so
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Tom was searching for that love and he never got
it from Bill. Twenty years no dinner. That's what makes
Tom likable. This is all benefiting Caitlin Clark. It makes
her journey ugly and bumpy and tough, and that's why
we love Jordan. That's what if Michael Jordan just came
out that good looking, that good one titles first year,
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the path was always easy, it would be smug, it
wouldn't it wouldn't feel the same way. People write movies,
they all have a villain. If you don't, you insert
a villain. Even when they do, you know, true stories,
people will look back and say, well, they sort of
added a love interest, they added sort of a villain
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that they hollywooded it up. They made a movie about
Jesus and they hollywooded it up. Why because you want conflict.
This is the conflict in the movie. It's the first
scene in the movie. There's conflict in it, and it's
gonna make us love Caitlin Clark anymore. I listen. I'm
a hypocrite. I have always supported Raymond Green, so I'm
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gonna support the instigator. I'm gonna supp the enforcer. They're
part of this landscape, this movie that makes sports amthic.
So the only thing I may watch on TV now
is sports. I don't need writers for it. The athletes
provide that context.
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Speaker 4 (20:40):
Let's start with the NBA Finals.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
The Mavericks head to Boston for Game one on Thursday.
Dallas six and a half point dog in Game one,
and they're a bigger underdog in this series.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Derek Jones, Junior, the unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Defensive player for the mav says, that's not how the
team views themselves.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
We believe I would be anybody I don't underdog. I
don't like that really, but I mean everybody won't keep
putting that narrative on us. So we go out there
and we played a game like were supposed to play.
I don't really think anybody can beat us in the
seven game series.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Can't wait for it Thursday nights the opener. I have
so many reservations about my Boston Celtics to win in
six pick. I really don't feel great about it because
I don't know what porzingis looks like. But I'll tell
you what you start and at the top of the hour,
I'll list the ten best players in this. It is
remarkable how good the playing the quality of players in
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this I mean even on the defensive side, Derek White,
Drew Holliday, Jones, and Luke is actually playing some defense.
The quality of defense and offense in this series. Like,
I still think Denver would be favored next year. I do,
but I think it does feel like the right teams
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ended up there. A hot team who's really talented and
took big swings in personnel, and the team that's dominated
the East most of the last six to eight years. Yeah,
I feel like this is a very worthy final.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Oh hecky, last year, Miami Denver, it didn't have the
juice when you did the ten.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Players last year.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
You know, you start to get to seven eight, it's
like thinning out a little bit.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
There's a lot more talent in this sah, there's no
question I was.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
I did the write up for Fox Sports about gambling
gambling on this series, and I dug this setup. The
MAVs in their last seven as underdogs in the playoffs
are six and one straight up as a dog.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
They're winning well, I think, like just straight up winning.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I think one of the components to their personality, perhaps
it's the primary component, is they've got dog they I mean,
Kyrie's trying to go into this series and shut Boston
up because of that relationship. Luca wants to prove not Jokic,
I'm the best player here. In a lot of Tatum talk,
So Dallas is playing with something that, if in the
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history of sports, is very powerful, a chip on their shoulder. Yeah,
Boston really isn't. It's more comfortable. They breathe through the East.
They've been here before the chip.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I mean, you've been banging on Tatum on this show.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
For a minute.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
They live in a very very comfortable world of clobbering
bad Eastern team.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
The only issue I have for Dallas in Game one,
the only two games they've lost in the playoffs that
were double digit losses.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
We're Game one, okay, see.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
And trying to figure out they maybe they played better
from behind, maybe they played better with a little angst.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Yeah, Game one, feeling out process, showing the Boston is
going to be fired up, and you know it's a
big game for the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
They do not want to fall behind one to start
the series.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Next up, let's go to Trevor Lawrence, one of a
handful of quarterbacks eligible for a contract extension this offseason.
Jacks have not locked him into a new deal, yet
he's not worried about it about Jacksonville keeping him long term.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
Obviously, I'm aware of what's going on, but I try
to keep my folks son you know, doing my job
out here. You know, I have full belief that that
I'll take care of itself and that's not something that
I need to worry about. You know. That's why I
pay people and hire people to do that for me.
So that's not my job. But you know, obviously I
know what's going on. I'm aware of the situation. I
think that's important too, But yeah, try to keep all
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my focus and energy on being the best player I
can be, so help us one.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, yeah, I said. It reminds me a little of
Griffy with the Mariners. Griffy felt like if he left
baseball could leave Seattle. If Trevor Lawrence is not a
Jaguar never gets drafted by them, this franchise maybe getting
moved to London.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Well, they're talking about it.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
They don't think it.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Come on, now, our staff did put to I'm loath
to even bring this up. Listen, a lot of people
do it online. They do the comparisons, so people will
look at Trevor Lawrence and Daniel Jones is kind of
like your blind tastes. Oh boy, and again listen, I
get it, these are counting numbers.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
But Colin no, but he was a functioning brain, would
put Daniel.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Jones in that Stratusfy However, some of the numbers complete
a percentage touchdown passes, you know, kind of similar.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I think not a great look for Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yes, I think. I think early in careers, based on
what you inherit that young quarterbacks justin Herbert's comp numbers
are going to change after this year with Harball because
he's yet to have a good coach. So I think
you can throw a lot of things up. I think
Dak and Cousins, after multiple coaches and multiple years, their
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comp's more realistic. I think right now we know Trevor
Lawrence is better than Daniel Jones. I think we know
that Trevor Lawrence means more to the franchise than Daniel
Jones does to his But I think it's a fair
criticism that both Jones and Trevor Lawrence get dinged up
a lot and haven't kind of gone to the next level.
I don't think Jones can I think Trevor.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Can and the real test is Okay, Sure, Trevor Lawrence
is underachieved.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
His first year with Urban Meyer was awful. The numbers
were terrible.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
But if Daniel Jones hits the market at the end
of the season, how many teams are clamoring.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
For his services? I would sobably like none.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I would say Trevor Lawrence would have a half dozen
teams that would be absolutely interested. Minimum.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
You sure it's not like fifteen and.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
No, I'm saying minimum because we're getting to a point,
a saturation point where most teams have quarterbacks. But I
mean there would be a bidding war for Trevor Lawrence.
Bidding war among like your Raiders. Potentially the Patriots listen, Dallas, Dallas.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
It's not gonna.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Happen, but they would pay Trevor Lawrence fifty MILLI year
in a heartbeat over Dacka.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
I don't think there's any debates.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
There's no debate. Your ultimate value is when you hit
the market. Trevor Lawrence's value on the market would be substantial, but.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
He won't hit the market. There's no way, Jacksonville, let's happened.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
He's grippy to the Mariners. He is, he is the franchise.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I do just wonder what's the hold up?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
You always ask this question. Contracts when you get to
that number can take nine months to figure out.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Oh, and this is the face of the franchise. They've
known this coming for more than nine months.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
But there's a lot of things in play here.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Oh really it's Trevor Lawrence, the number one pick, the
face of the franchise. Well, I don't think you automatically
give him the Joe Burrow yo. But hey, Trevor, you
good with fifty million years?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Well, I mean, Shad Cohn's a very successful business person.
He's going to negotiate it. He would like to get
a deal.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
One of the things that Patrick Mahomes leaned into early
was a team friendly deal. Brady leaned into team friendly deal.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
But I yeah, we gotta have cross Brady off because
he had the wife.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Of one time. Mahomes, by the way, did a very
team friendly deal this first big contract, So there's probably.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
You can restructure these deals after two years.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Of Justin Herbert's deal. If you look at it is
very team viable, very team friendly. So I think that
is what a lot of owners say is listen, I'll spend,
but the more I give you, the less I can
give you to work with. So I think that these
conversations take time and patience. You just don't go to
Trevor Lawrence and go, hey, can you take a little
bit of a pay cut? Can we hold back? It's
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a lot of massaging. Yes, you got you gotta do
a lot of this massaging. He's just saying, these you guys,
you think they do it on a napkin over at
Applebee's and figure it out.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
They could have done the Trevor Lawrence deal on a
napkin and applebes nine months ago.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Final story is Jim Harbaugh entering his first season as
the Chargers head coach, big expectations now the off season
program is ramping up. He doesn't think anyone will be
outworking his team this summer.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So far, has its been great with the team.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
We've just been working chipping away, you know, really every
day about nine straight weeks with the fellows and uh
practically perfect attendants. I think that's an incredible edge that
we have, just the way our guys are working in
the offseason, and we keep that going at that edge
is going to continue to grow.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
No, I don't think there's any question.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
The perfect, nearly perfect attendance.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Nobody's missing, everybody's all.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
One to play for Jim Harball, shocker, guys not showing
up for the Jets.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Guy's not showing up for the Cowboys, Jets.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Make sure you put the Jets in there.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I don't know, I don't know if we're gonna talk
about it. It's only Hassan Reddick. I mean, come on, Jim
Marbles seventeen times more important.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And Jets are gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
They're an eleven one team.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Sure sounds like you're convincing yourself with that, not me.
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Things I appreciate about. You've got a lot of energy,
and you get worked up over stuff. That whole Caitlin
Clark thing. Everybody's getting worked up. It's like, you gotta
let stuff happen. You can't project what you think is
gonna happen. Caitlyn Clark. It was a hard foul. It
wasn't an assault. It was a hard foul. That's all
it was. That happens every weekend in men's women's college basketball.
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It happens a all the time, hard fouls. Take a
deep breath. We're all, including Caitlin Clark. We're all gonna
be okay.
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Speaker 5 (30:50):
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Speaker 4 (31:00):
He's all on Fox and the Fox Sports App.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, I've said this for years. Once you get over
the parody thing in sports, which doesn't really exist. We're
always trying to engineer parody in sports, and it's almost
like the tax situation for my entire life, tax the rich.
Why does the gap keep widening. It's not working whatever
you're doing. At some point, I gave up caring about parody.
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College football doesn't have it. I mean, Michigan won a
national championship, Ohio State and Georgia our favored to win
next year. Okay, it's the same team college basketball, Kansas, Yukon,
Carolina Tennis Serena Federer dominant players for decades. It's the
same countries in the Winter Olympics and the Summer Olympics dominate.
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I mean even the NFL, which is the sport we
view as the league of parody. I think Mahomes and
Brady have made the AFC Championship in the thirteen straight years,
or I think that's right. It's like baseball doesn't need parody.
Yankees and Dodgers right now have completely stacked lineups. Yankees
don't even have a Garrett Cole their starting pitcher. They're
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ace available, and they don't Their eer leads baseball. If
you took the Yankees and the Dodgers, and you went
and you combine them for a batting order today, if
you combine them for a batting order, think about how
good this is. You'd lead off with Mookie Betts. He
would play second, Juan Soto right field, show Hey o
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Toanni would be the DH. Aaron Judge would be in center.
Freddie Freeman Dodgers would be at first. John Carlos Stanton
in left, Will Smith the catcher, Anthony Volpe the shortstop.
Yankees bats eight. We'd put Max Mounthzy, who's not healthy,
at nine. He had thirty six jacks last year. He'd
be a cleanup hitter for most of baseball. He had
thirty six jacks. We'll put him at nine. So Kershaw's
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not back, Garrett Cole's not healthy. These are the two
best teams, teams overwhelmingly, two of the only teams in
baseball that can consistently hit. And I'm here for it.
One shit, get over, I said when I first started
at the other place. I said this. For years. Everybody
talks about they love the underdog. No you don't. I
saw TCU play Boise State in a Fiesta Bowl. Nobody
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watched every time Duke Kansas Carolina get knocked out of
March Madness, the ratings go down. You're not rooting for
the underdog. That's just nonsense. NFL ratings twenty years have
been up, except the Kaepernick year. That kind of protest. Here,
they've been up. Brady and Mahomes have completely dominated it,
throwing Peyton Manning. So I'm I'm here for dominance. I
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want all time great teams. I'm here for it. And
these these rosters are stacked, you know. And what's interesting
about baseball is that the Yankees and the Dodgers just
just decided to go all in. The Yankees can complain
from time to time, but they got a big payroll.
The Red Sox used to be in the class and
then they moved off Monkey Betts, they moved off a
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couple of stars, and they just feel like they're a
mile away from these teams in terms of overall talent.
And I'm okay with that as well. Speaking of Boston,
Kyrie Irving, so you know, so Kyrie was very briefly
in Boston. It was really brief. The relationship between Kyrie
and the Celtics, it's sort of like the girl you
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date during the summer on the East Coast when you're
visiting your grandparents. You know, it's like one of those
relationships in your life you kind of remember it. He
was only there for one playoff run, and everybody's worked
out Kyrie Irving. I understand Boston booze. You get a
couple of Sam Adams in. You know your guy in Boston,
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he's gonna boot Kyrie Irving. But I feel like he's
a different person, He's a different player. It's a different time.
Here's Kyrie in the finals, not this regular season.
Speaker 11 (34:53):
But when we played in the playoffs and everyone saw
me flip off the birds and kind of lose my
a little bit, that wasn't a great reflection of who
I I am and how I like to compete. I'm
built for these moments, to be able to handle circumstances
like that, and I've been able to grow since then.
So of course it's going to be a hectic environment.
But I'm looking forward to it, and I see it
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as a healthy relationship to have with the fans. You know,
almost think about Gladiator. Just win the crowd over. You know,
it's good to hear to TD Garden silent when you're
playing well.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
By the way, since he left Boston's on their third coach.
Leaving Lebron is worse than what happened in Boston. They
were on the verge of being like dynastic. They were
that good, blowing up Brooklyn. Not playing the vaccine stuff,
that's worse. This was two years one playoff run. And
by the way, when Jason Tatum and the Celtics collapsed
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in the finals against the Warriors, Kyrie didn't have anything
to do with that. Nothing. When they got beat as
a number two seed by scrappy playing Miami in the playoffs,
Kyrie had nothing to do with that. And I understand
people boot ten times Kyrie has faced the Celtics. He's
over ten, he's faced him eighteen times. I'm sure they'll
be booing that's just the way it is. But I honestly,
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Kyrie feels like a different guy for the time being.
It's a different time. Celtics can't point to Kyrie and
blame them for anything. I mean, they didn't get any
picks when he left. But in the end, he didn't
slow down the train. He didn't slow down the momentum.
So it's weird. Maybe there's just so much in sports
that it's all a blur. But I barely remember the
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Boston stuff. He didn't like playing in Boston and they
didn't like him. By the end, all right, they moved
on like the divorce. Boston won it like convincingly. I don't,
I don't, I don't. I don't get all the animosity
like it hasn't had anything to do with the Celtics
collapse against the Warriors or that awful series when they
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were upset by playing Miami. Kyrie didn't have anything to
do with that. And the truth of the matter is
be mad at your coach when you had an elite coach.
He fooled around and got fired, get mad at the coach.
All of Boston's problems have been Boston's problems and Boston's issues.
Kyrie's not really any part of it. He didn't slow
anything down because Tatum and Brown at that time weren't
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ready to run over the league. They just weren't read.
They were young players, they weren't even in their prime.
They were defining their careers. It's a whole different ballgame.
I do think players. I don't think crowds, generally in
sports rattle players. You know, Boston's pretty loud. Draymond Green
wants to acknowledge like he could hear insults and it
kind of affected him. My guess is, Kyrie plays incredibly well,
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and this thing goes six or seven, I'll still take Boston.
I don't have any confidence because I don't know how
porzingis is with his health. But J Mack keeps he's
very good at digging before you get to these big games,
digging in on these things. And what he's finding is
you can point to both the Celtics and the Mavericks
and look at little flawdencies which speak well of the
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opponent you're facing. I still believe it's an old school
Dallas chip on the shoulder, dominant star team against a
new school collaborative. Everybody shares the ball team, So to me,
in a macro level, what makes it fascinating, it's new
basketball collaborative against an old school team. Kyrie Luca, get
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me the ball, get out of the way, high usage,
take the game over late. The two best finishers Dallas
the better roster Boston. So beyond just individual players, it
feels a little bit like old school new school basketball.
That to me is what makes it fascinating.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Largely with you.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
I just worry for Dallas that this this is OKC
on steroids. That's what Boston is, right, A lot of
flexible wing players, but a lot better shooters. And they
got Porzingis in the chet Holmgren role. And you know,
I know Dallas dominated the boards in that series. But
if Boston's got open three the last time they met
after the deadline, I think.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Was March first, Boston hit twenty one three pointers and
Dallas gives up.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
You know, if they're making twenty one threes, they're not
gonna lose any games in the series.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Should be a fun one.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
I'm kind of rooting Dallas, but I do not want
Tatum to to like be terrible, because then you'll, you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Not gonna we mean all, I won't do anything. He's
not gonna be terrible.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Tatum vanishing act for nine minutes in the.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Fourth quarter, well, he did have one of them.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
He was dominant in overtime.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
He won't, he won't vanish. Tatum will have a good series.
Will he have a great series? I don't know. Luca
will have a great series. That's the only player in
this My guess is Jalen Brown and Luca will have
great series. I don't know if Tatum and Kyrie will.
Nobody's gonna stop Luca Jalen Brown. Jalen Brown is really
(39:50):
good and you kind of get the same thing out
of him every game. I always feel what Jyalen Brown,
I know, you can just put down twenty four and
a half points good defense. I get the same thing Tatum.
Maybe it's because my ex spectations are higher. I think
he I think he moves into bad shots, he gets
into bad shot cycles and game gets a little bit
into his head. Same with Kyrie. But if you told
me Luca or Jalen Brown would be MVPs depending on
(40:13):
if their team's won, I wouldn't be surprised that, you know,
don't like this. That would be a great story. Wins
and Jalen Brown.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Just got the Eastern Conference Larry Bird Trophy whatever that
thing is did Jaylen Brown?
Speaker 4 (40:25):
He was the MVP of the conference finals.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
What happens if Jalen Brown is then the NBA Finals
MVT Tatum?
Speaker 4 (40:32):
So what happened? I mean, what happens if Kaylen Clark
gets hurt? Don't look in the future.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
What happens if Jalen Brown, You're killing Hour two next
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