January 23, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin can hardly believe who the Cowboys have reportedly decided will be their new head coach and outlines how far this once proud franchise has fallen
Colin believes Commanders QB Jayden Daniels is the Patrick Mahomes of the NFC
Thoughts on the drama between the Heat and Jimmy Butler
He also talks to new Bears head coach Ben Johnson about his decision to take the job in Chicago and working with quarterback Caleb Williams
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go on a suddenly shocking Thursday, live in
Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. Jmac News just came down from a
very reliable reporter in the Dallas Fort Worth area. Clarence
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Hill had him on the show before. Knows this stuff. You,
as a former hardworking journalist boots on the ground, know
how hard it is to get scoops. Clarence Hill doesn't
say stuff unless it's true. This is shocking. Here we
go the Cowboys look for them to cross the finish
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line and hire Brian Schottenheimer. Possibly today, that is settling.
We are watching the fall of a great American institution.
He's not even interviewing for other jobs. Nothing against him.
Nice guy, three jobs, five seasons, never been a head coach,
never really been a top candidate for a head coach,
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But Jerry likes him. He's bounced around the league again.
Dad was a legend, nice guy. But seven to ten
football teams don't move off a coach and then hire
the offensive coordinator who didn't call plays. I've never even
heard of that. I mean, in any industry, you do
not let good people leave the building, right, like we
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all know, Like Liam Cohen is this kid at Tampa
the Resurrection of Baker Mayfield. He went and interviewed for
the Jacksonville job. He said, no, thank you. He was
such a good candidate. The owner of Jacksonville fired the
general manager who couldn't close the deal. He goes back
to Tampa and they're gonna make him highest paid coordinator
in the league. Offensively or Ben Johnson, who's going to
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show up twenty five minutes on our show. He was
like the leading candidate for four jobs. Bryon Schottenneimer wasn't
a candidate for any other job. I looked at his
bio this morning. It's lateral moves entire career college pro
What are we doing? Elite employees don't make lateral moves?
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Maybe at the end of their career, but not at
the beginning and middle. I mean, watch Vegas react to this.
So it just illustrates the directionless state of the Cowboys.
Mike McCarthy, a Super Bowl winning coach to Dion Sanders,
a very promising college coach, to an offensive coordinator in
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the building for a seven to ten team that didn't
call plays. What are we doing, Dallas, Cowboy fans? I'm
not overreacting here. You would become the Jaguars. You are
lost at sea. Jaguars can't find a coach. None of
the top candidates are interested. Cowboys now handing the keys
to somebody who's not a candidate for anybody else. You know,
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it's funny. Troy Aikman had set a couple of weeks ago.
I don't think it's a coveted job. And he made
a really interesting point last week on the fact that
most coaches, you know, they want to bring in their
people to build their culture, and can you do that
in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
As far as a coveted job, I don't know that
that's accurate. I think most football people that take over
as a head coach, they want to do it on
their terms and that's hard to do, and it's you know,
if you take a Dan Campbell, for instance, is Dan
Campbell Dan Campbell if he's with the Dallas Cowboy It's
hard to imagine that he is. It's hard to imagine
that a lot of these coaches might be.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
No. Dan Campbell wouldn't have the power and the control
of the locker room and probably a say upstairs in personnel.
I mean McVeigh. Mcveigh's got power with the rams Shanahan
does in San Francisco, Belichick did, Andy Reid doesn't want it,
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but could have it. You are watching, You are watching
the fall of a great American brand, a sports brand.
I said this. If it was not for Lebron James,
this would have been the Lakers the last five years.
Family members in the building, two insular, not enough outside voices.
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I mean I said when the season started, I said,
the Cowboys will not make the playoffs, Washington will, and
they're going to start regressing. I didn't think it was this,
and this is nothing against the coach, but this is
somebody that's making lateral moves, is not up for other jobs.
This is incredible. I mean, this morning, when this came
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down I'm speechless. I don't even know what to say
with this. You are now the Cowboys as America's number
one sports brand. You might as well just give that
to the Packers, give that to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Hand it over. It's over. It's done. You're no longer
America's team. I got I watched CJ. Stroud. Are you
Texas's team? I'm not sure? Wow, all right, It's gonna
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take a while to digest. Ben Johnson bottom of the hour,
new Bears coach. So I saw this, I want to
I want to talk about Jayden Daniels, who is now
playing for the right to go to the Super Bowl,
which does not make any sense. But what makes even
less sense is a statistic from this regular season. He
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has one elite weapon and a blow average roster. Jayden
Daniels in Washington had the highest fourth down conversion rate
in the regular season, ahead of Josh Allen who was second,
Patrick Mahomes third, and the Eagles who have Saquon Barkley,
Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown and the best offensive line in
the game. That makes no sense, And I was thinking
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about best if you go back ten seasons, just a
decade the AFC had three icons legends at quarterback, Brady, Peyton, Manning,
and Big Ben. And you're thinking to yourself, man, when
these guys leave, how do you replace them? I mean,
the NBA has been searching for the next MJ for
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twenty years and yet here we are today in the
AFC with Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Jackson, and Burrow. Those are
first ballot guys. Those are first ballot Hall of Fame guys.
I'm not even gonna get to the second tier guys
who are pretty good. You've got your Brady, your Man,
your Big Ben. They replaced him because college football, what
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they provide for the NFL is so much deeper and
more talented than what college basketball provides to the NBA.
But I was thinking the NFC has been different. If
you go to the last ten Super Bowl teams in
the NFC, you have ten different quarterbacks. It's a bunch
of guys who you have to say, well, well, if
if Jordan Love wasn't as reckless, or if Matt Stafford
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was younger, and I like Jared Goff at the O
lines ride and brock perty needs the right coach. In
the AFC, it's different and I really believe that Jaden
Daniels is the Mahomes of the NFC, that the pecking
order will start with him starting next year. I really
believe that. I don't think it's a reach. I don't
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think it's hyperbolic. I think he's the Mahomes that from
this point forward people will slot behind now Caleb Williams
with Ben Johnson maybe a one A he could get
really close. But I don't know if I've ever seen
anything like this this early. The fact of the matter
that a rookie with a average O line that is
now missing their best offensive lineman against Philly this weekend
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and one weapon Terry McLaurin was the best fourth down
team in football. Better than Lamar Jackson, better than Stafford,
Josh Allen, Patrick, Mahomes, Kelsey is a remarkable feat. Yesterday,
Tom Brady was on the show and I asked him,
what do you see that is special.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Some players need production to become confident. Some people become
confident before they have any production. That's a great trait
to have as an athlete. Before you walk on the field,
you're confident. You don't need to complete your first five
passes to become confident, and I think that's what I
see in a young Jade Daniels.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
The AFC has been rock stars at quarterback at the top.
The NFC has mostly been really good band members, and
I think Jay Daniels will change that. All right, we
go back to the Dallas Cowboys, according to Clarence Hill,
are hiring either today or tomorrow Brian Schottenheimer. And I've
said this for a long time, been doing this over
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twenty five years. If you want to know if something
is good for your franchise, ask yourself, what are your
rivals saying? What do you think Philadelphia is saying today
about Brian Schottenheimer is a new coach. From McCarthy to
maybe Dion to the coordinator who didn't call place. I
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don't want to attack him. It's just the bios out there.
He was not interviewing for other jobs. I mean, we
all knew Harball last year, top candidate Vrabel, this year,
top candidate Ben Johnson. He's the new whiz Kid, He's
the new Demiko Ryans that everybody's talking about. Liam Cohen
was on that space. Wow, J Mack, what do you
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make of it? Let me just ask you, what do
you make of it.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
It smells like five and twelve next year for Dallas. Basically, right,
I don't know what Schottenheimer did this year. If he
didn't call plays, the offense wasn't dynamic, the defense kept
them in games. After Dak went down. I saw nothing
from this Cowboys offense. And now you're gonna kind of
promote him to head coach.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
It's a tough day. We got to get Michael Irvin
on the horn.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
He was all excited for Dion. Remember, He's like, oh, Dion, maybe, well,
I'll say this it is. I didn't know how Dion
would do, and we don't really know how A lot
of people are gonna do, not named Vrabel or Harbaugh.
I mean, Mike McCarthy would win somewhere. McCarthy maybe he
ends up in Jacksonville. That's great for Trevor Lawrence actually,
but my take is Dion was exciting, right like it
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or not?
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I mean, in Chicago they're doing backflips for Ben Jonson.
They're going crazy in Chicago, and they should. It's exciting.
You watch the Lions and all the trick plays and
the clever stuff. Dion was exciting. There was hope and optimism.
This feels like settling.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Yeah. The only good news for Dallas is, you know,
Nick Sirianni's still in the division.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
They're not five him. Even if they lose this game.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I think there's still some question about what's going on
with Dabole and the Giants.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
We don't know if they're gonna be good.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Washington Common, Yeah, Washington is and jayden is with who
are they helming with?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
By the way, Oh?
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Oh, Dan quinn is their head coach. Where was he last.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Year in the building? Oh?
Speaker 6 (11:15):
He was at Dallas.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
I totally forgot about the yew.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
It's wow. This is the Empire does not strike back.
It folds.
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I just saw the second youngest active head coach in
the NFL. Only Mike McDonald will be younger. You're seeing
this all over the place. You're seeing it in college,
you're seeing it in pro Young people are crushing you know,
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It's funny. We're seeing more great young candidates, and I
say this, be careful about put the Pete Carroll's out
the door. You look at the last six Super Bowls,
five have been won by Andy Reid, Bruce Arians and
Bill Belichick. I've always said this, I like my pilots
and my surgeons to have gray hair. But I do
think what you're finding now, and I find this with
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my kids. My kids are a lot smarter than I
was at this at their age, and I do think
you get Sean mcvay's and Mike McDaniel and Ben Johnson,
and I don't know if it's the Internet. I don't
know if it's analytics, but they're sharp and they know
a lot at a very early age. It's very exciting.
I know, I spent a lot of time in Chicago,
and I'll tell you they're going they're going crazy. This
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is the coach that the Chicago fans wanted, and he'll
be joining us in a couple of minutes. You know.
It's interesting. Caleb Williams is a guy that can leave
the pocket and he's electric, and it's interesting. Mahomes does
the same thing. And Brady came on our show yesterday,
Tom Brady and talked about what these mobile quarterbacks are doing,
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and they're sort of are they playing football or are
they playing the rule book.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
When quarterbacks become running backs and they're out of the pocket,
they should lose their protection, and we are in essence,
we're trying to say we're trying to protect the quarterbacks,
but coaches are calling more quarterback runs than ever in
the history of the game. If you're running with the ball,
you should protect yourself. If you don't want to get hit,
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you can go down, you can run out of bounds,
but you can't, in essence, have the defensive player come
in at half speed and then you run over the
defensive player because he's afraid of getting a penalty.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, and so it's a little bit of an NBA
ish problem where you have something and the fans don't
like it, and it does feel like manipulation, and you know,
the mahomes Is will get the scramble yards and the
first down and they'll slide light and then they'll get
the penalty and it's like, wait, this doesn't feel fair
for the defensive player. So I think you have to
do what baseball did. Baseball had a time problem, and
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these guys would get into the batter's box and they
would treen and they would have these quirky sort of habits,
and Major League Baseball said, yeah, that's going to end today.
No more of that now. And it ended in a week.
They complained, ended in a week. I think you have
to eliminate. I think once a quarterback leaves the pocket
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and you just tell everybody you're a running back, it'll
end really quickly. It just does not take that many
hits from Will Anderson. Mikeelvic once told me as it
was an Atlanta Falcon. He said, you know, I went
on the road and I got hit by I think
like London Fletcher, and he's like, yeah, I'm kind of
done doing that running thing. I must stand in the
pocket more. And you know, listen, there are guys like
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Big Ben in his prime or Josh Allen in his prime.
They're just bigger than defensive players. But I would say
Big Ben aged really quickly at the end, and Cam
Newton aged really really quickly in the middle of his career,
and they took too many hits. I think Josh Allen,
I think the Buffalo Bills have been very smart to
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kind of take away the Superman cape from Josh Allen
outside the pocket. They've done a really good job as
an organization because it's hard to ask Lamar Jackson or
Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen say, hey, no more running
for first downs. If your first two guys are covered
and you've been successful your whole life running, they're going
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to run. Mahomes is interesting. He doesn't run in the
first half, in my opinion, as much as he seems
to do in big games in the second half, so
it's more of a necessity. But there is a sense
that he's sort of manipulating the rules. And I thought, Baseball,
you know all I heard before Baseball put in that
pitch clock. Oh oh, Baseball Union people gonna complain. Baseball said, yeah,
get over it, And in a week baseball was more
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fun to watch and faster. So I just think you
have to just say, you leave the pocket. You're running back.
Here's the line of scrimmage. Now you're Saquon Barkley, and
you give because I agree with Brady here, the quarterbacks
are getting everything. They're getting the scramble yards, they get
a slide and sometimes then we eat without even helmet
to helmet they get a penalty yard. Well, I would
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do it too, I would manipulate it. So, I mean,
we all know when we get on the freeway we
can drive seven miles an hour faster than the speed limit.
There's manipulation of all laws and rules to a degree.
And we know that in the NFL as well. Bill
Belichick for years had his cornerbacks where gloves that were
the same color as the opponent so they could grab
and clutch more. But this feels because it's the quarterback,
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it's the star, it's the most important position, that it
feels like a little bit of manipulation towards the rules.
So you know, that's where we're at. Jmack with the.
Speaker 8 (16:32):
News, No turns, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
All right, Colin, Let's start with Peyton Manning. I remember
how legendary he was as a quarterback. Well, he had
playoff struggles similar to Lamar Jackson early in their career.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
And another quarterback who has yet to make a Super
Bowl is Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
And with the MVP candidate just a game away from
the Super Bowl, Peyton Manning has given him some advice, saying,
Josh is doing all the right things. I think he's
truly having fun. So I'd say relax and let it
come to him. Don't make that.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Press and stress and force balls and the coverage. Let
it come to him.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I never feel that he's anxious. I have felt it
and seen it with Peyton Manning and Lamar Jackson early
in their careers. I've never seen it with Josh. I've
never felt he's nervous or anxious. I felt he's so
gifted he tries to extend a play he shouldn't. Like Mahomes,
I've never sensed nerves Jalen Hurts. I don't sense nerves.
Joe Burrow, I don't. It's more erratic. It's more like, listen,
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I've run over guys my whole life. I'm gonna try it.
A couple of years ago, he had a red zone
interception issue. I never feel it's nerves ever with Josh Allen.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Look at the stats. This is a little listen again,
it's just early in their career.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
For twelve playoff starts, Josh Allen has been better than
Peyton oh I a considerable amount.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, I never feel it's nerves with him. And by
the way, everybody's different. Some I never felt nerves with
Tiger or Phil Mickelson. Mickelson just took too many risks.
I've felt nerve with other golfers.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
The weird part is I don't know that.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
The Chiefs are gonna be able to stop Josh Allen,
and the Bill could still lose because that defense. Colin.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I mean, you just watch a Raven slice and dice
them up and down.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I think we forget how good the Chiefs are at
the top of the hour. In thirty five minutes, I'm
gonna take both the Bills and the Chiefs rosters. You
know what I do before the top ten players. Yeah,
so I take before the huge games like the NBA Finals.
I'm gonna take the top ten players of the Eagles commanders.
It's pretty predictable, and the Bills and Chiefs. Huh. And
I think you'll be surprised by the Bills Chiefs. I
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just think you'll be surprised. I think we look at
Buffalo as an assortment of great players, and I'm just
very interested to see your reaction in thirty five minutes.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Okay, next up is over to the NFC, where the
Commanders are the surprise entrant in the NFC Championship Game,
just one win away from the Super Bowl with a
rookie quarterback. Early in the season, Washington lost to Tampa,
and dan Quinn said that loss in the season opener
helped fuel their run.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
That happened in the opening game. I felt dismissive. Hey man,
hanging there is going to be a long time. I
was like, hey ifew you know, like, that's not how
it's going to go down. And I was upset. But
it wasn't disrespect. It was dismissiveness. It's not to prove
it to everybody else or underdog stories. You know, how
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we get down.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, I'll say this again. We are really lucky in
the media and as football fans in America to have
Jayden Daniels we have. We maybe found our next Steve Young,
Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes. I know it sounds hyperbolic, but
I know my eyes. My eyes aren't telling me. This
kid is just different. So, you know, we talked.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Dan Quinn was with the Cowboys for a few years
and he desperately wanted to be a head coach again. Yeah.
I remember he was interviewing a bunch of persons and
he didn't end up taking anything. Ultimately he settles on
the commanders after Ben Johnson said not to it, and
they Jaden Daniels And now dan Quinn looks like he
could be on a trajectory to be back.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
To being a great coach.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
So fun.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Life is timing. Life is timing. You know what, dan
Quinn was going to succeed somewhere. He's too good of
a coach.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Like if he had gone to Jacksonville, he will make
on the unemployment line. If he had gone to Chicago,
probably the same situation now Lands and Washington.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
An amazing final story, Colin is this is a little speculative.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
The Titans have the number one pick in the draft
in April, and everybody's pegging them for a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
I had cam Ward to my mock draft.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Adam Schefter sat on a radio show, Adam Chefter of
ESPN that the Titans are looking at Penn State's Abdul Carter,
the pass rusher, or Colorado's Travis Hunter. On top of that,
Schefter added the Titans aren't locked in on taking a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
This is kind of sort of stunning. I don't know
if this is just you know, saying stuff or planting stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I'm going to tell you my strong opinion, the best
football player I saw in college football this year was
either Abdul Carter or the receiver from Arizona. Those are
the two best football players aston boys. This is a
great running back draft. I'm just telling you, Abdul Carter
and the receiver for Arizona are the two best players.
I talked to two gms. I think Mason Graham is
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very good at Michigan, but he's not that good. Jmack
with the news.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Herd Live right. Ben Johnson's been waiting patiently. All my
friends in Chicago are freaking out. They got their guy.
Ben Johnson's new coach of the Chicago Bears. And this
is what the city wanted, This is what the team wanted.
They interviewed seventeen people. But you were the hot candidate
this year, you know. And it's interesting mcshan McVay because
now you're the second youngest coach in the league. So
when McVeigh arrived, we didn't know who he was. We
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knew all about you. We saw your playbook the last
three years before we talk about the Bears. What you
did is remarkable. What Detroit did is unbelievable. I'm ben,
I'm I got gray hair, I'm sixty. I haven't seen
Detroit win my entire life. What is the one thing
in Detroit? Because this is a little bit of a
rebuild too, you're going to take from the Lions, and
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you have no problem saying that was really effective. I'm
taking this to Chicago, culture, coaching whatever.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Yeah, listen, I learned so much with my time with
Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes and those guys, and ultimately
it came down to the identity that they established in
Detroit was all about grit, being able to handle adversity
and fighting through the tough times. And that's what that
started with year one, and you saw it come to
fruition again this year with all the injuries that that
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team faced and being able to still fight through it
and come away with fifteen wins, a division title and
the number one seed. So end of the day, this league,
it's gonna knock you down and you've got to get
back up. That mindset and mentality it'll carry over here
to Chicago. It's not going to be said exactly the
same way. I'm not being Campbell. It's going to be
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my own spin on it. But really that identity of
those terms will still applot here as well.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So Garrett Goff is more of a pocket quarterback. Caleb
can do anything pocket outside. So you know, I'm You've
got two hundred plays, three hundred plays at your disposal.
There are some things you'll take from Detroit. You're obviously
smart and clever, and you're you're not adverse to risk.
But does it feel a little bit as a consumer
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of your offense? Is it a new offense or do
you take bits and pieces of it because you have
a different person playing the position and a different skill set.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
It remains to be seen. I don't know Caleb like
that quite yet, but I'm really encouraged with what I've
seen on tape from him so far from this season
on the opposing sideline, I certainly felt his presence out there.
He's got an abundance of talent. I can't wait to
get to work with him. But obviously he is a
different player and has a different skill set than Jared did,
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and I'll be I'll be excited to see what direction
we go. It's gonna morph it's not going to look
the same as what it did in Detroit. There are
a lot of elements that I do believe in. We
want the same things to look different, different things look
the same multiplicity. We want the defense on their heels
and guessing at all times. But at the end of
the day, Caleb is gonna really dictate the direction that
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this offense goes and what we end up looking like.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Ben, it took years for the Lions to build the
best offensive line in football. It was through the draft,
and listen, I've always had a theory in the NFL.
Number one, find a quarterback. Number two, protect him, worry
about the weapons and stuff later. You got to protect him.
It's the insurance policy. Colts couldn't do that with Andrew
Lucky retired early. The old line last year regressed for Chicago.
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How do you make an O line? It's possible significantly better.
Is it play calling, changing protections? Is it the draft?
Is it free agency? Because that's pretty obvious the O
line has to get better quickly. How do you do that?
Speaker 8 (24:58):
There's no doubt. It's all the about that's everything you
just said. Uh, listen, we'll be in the player acquisition
phase here soon, whether it's free agents, draft picks, we'll
we'll look to improve the talent level within that room. Uh,
we're gonna find an excellent offensive line coach that will
coach these guys up with the vision that we have
in mind here for the for the offense and uh,
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and listen, we're gonna set a high bar and a
high standard and frankly, we're expecting to come through for
us at the end of the day. Play calling, yeah,
it's gonna it's gonna say, Uh, it's gonna have a
say in what this looks like here in the fall.
But end of the day, Uh, we're gonna take all
avenues that we possibly can to get this offensive line
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going to help Caleb to help the run game. And
that's what we need in this division, particularly we play outdoors.
We need to be able to run the ball in
January and December.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Some coaches want to say in personnel. McVeigh likes to
have a little bit of a say, Shanahan, Uh, there
are other guys. Andy Reid kind of lets Brett veach
do it do you like? I mean, some coaches are
Jimmy Johnson was unbelievable at it. He could have been
a GM Parcels similarly very strong Sean Payton. Are you
a personnel guy too? Or is that?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
You give me the players all figure out the football?
How much say in personnel? Do you like?
Speaker 8 (26:16):
Man? I tell you what. That's what appealed to me
so much about this job was the trust I have
in Ryan. He's brought in a ton of talented players
are already this roster is just overflowing on offense and
defense with some great players, great character built in. I
really love that about it as well, and so I'm
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excited to get to work with him. I wouldn't say
I'm one way or the other. I just I really
believe that we're going to be aligned and well as
a coaching staff, give Ryan a great vision of what
we're looking for at each position and what we want
for a Chicago Bear to be moving forward and listen.
I'm just excited to be able to work with him
every step of the way.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Here.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Who's your coaching mentor who is it?
Speaker 8 (27:00):
Yeah, there's a billion of them I've had. I've had
so many. Uh, Mike Sherman early in my career really
really showed me the ways of the NFL. You know
Dan Campbell, I would say, is not just a friend,
but he has been a great mentor. But in a
different way. Uh, I've had a number of great influences
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from a leadership perspective, but also schematic as well. So
I can't put my finger on just one man. It's
it's been a number of guys in UH. It's really
it's really been a compilation of everything that I've experienced
so far in my career.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
You are up for like every job, your name was
mentioned every single one. Why the Bears.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
This place is special? I felt that on the interview.
I felt that with the people on there, George McCaskey,
Kevin Warren, Ryan Poles, the rest of the search committee,
I felt really confident in their vision and their direction
for the franchise going forward. Is something I wanted to
be a part of. I've spent time in Chicago. I
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know what a great sports town this is. I want
desperately to be successful here in football so that they
can thrive and they have a team that they're proud
of going to the games too. So that played a
huge factor of it. It was the people, it was
the place, and as I said before, as a competitor.
As a competitor, I love this division. There's so many
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good teams and good coaches and good players in this division. Honestly,
as a competitor, I did not want to leave it.
This is what I want to go against.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
You know, when you have somebody that can do so
many things off script, and most offensive coaches come in
ten twelve plays, Let's get the ball rolling, let's take
a lead, let's see, let's catch them, element of surprise,
and that's you know what almost all you guys do.
I'd watched Detroit games. I could tell within twelve plays
what you saw as a weakness, what you saw as
a strength. And then you have Caleb who can do
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so much offscript. What is the line when you're an
offensive coach from here's the script and why don't you
I'm gonna let you make a decision on this. Is
there a line in that communication with Caleb is Hey,
this is gonna be your discretion on some of these plays.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
Yeah, listen, there's gonna be a balancing factor that we
got to work through. Part of his superpower coming out
of USC though, was his ability to create and extend plays.
And we don't want to take that away from him,
so it'll be clear what the structure is of the
passing game, what the progressions are, and ultimately, if the
guys aren't open one, two, three in the pockets breaking down,
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we're gonna encourage him to extend the play and go
ahead and use that superpower and create exposive plays that
a way haven't necessarily been a part of that in
my past. So I'm really excited to see what that
looks like and how that all comes together for us here.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Ben Johnson. By the way, the Lions led the NFL
and play action Bears weren't near the bottom. So as
you talked about the on line in a run game,
cold weather is essential. Matt lafleur is always understood that
in Green Bay, you're outside, it's cold. Green Bay went
out and got an expensive, great running back and they
became a power football team. And I agree with you.
The weather. I mean Baltimore, by the way, Buffalo with
(30:14):
James Cook, these cold weather team, Seattle and Marshawn Lynch
where I grew up. It's not just a myth. Cold
weather teams run the ball. I mean it's funny. Kansas
City got rid of the great Tyreek Hill, they've won
back to back, and it's like, how is that possible?
So when I listen to you, the one thing I
think you're gonna take from Detroit listening to you is
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you're gonna run the ball. Can't this can't just be
quarterback centric.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
Listen, the number one deciding factor of winning and losing
games right now is quarterback success in quarterback efficiency. But
the best way you can help that for a young
player especially is to have a great running game. And
so listen, that's something that we are going to hang
our hat on. We'll see how well we improve up.
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I like the backs that we already have on the roster,
and we can certainly look to augment that position group
as well. But it's gonna start there, and it's gonna
take everybody, not just those two. We need great tight
ends blocking. We need our perimeter players willing to block
down the field so that we can spring long runs.
And that's something that we've been able to encourage and
(31:22):
get done in my past. So I'm looking forward to
bringing that here to Chicago as well.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Ben Johnson, new Bears coach. People are happy in a
great American city. Ben, thanks for stopping by the herd.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
Thank you, Colin.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
All Right, so there you go. Yeah, I mean, if
you really look, we talk about this all the time.
Go look at what Baltimore does. Let's go get Dereck Henry.
And you look at Buffalo. They've gotten better since they
add James Cook and Matt Lafleur is like, oh, let's
go get Josh Jacobs. Ooh, that's a very expensive running
back when you're playing outdoors. The best Seattle teams you
had Russell Wilson running around and Marshawn Lynch in the backfield.
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It's just I mean, John Elway, as great as he was,
he gets real cold Thanksgiving on in Denver, Elway's best teams.
Terrell Davis not throwing the ball down the field. So
good stuff. We take a break. Greg Cosell is stopping
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(32:18):
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You know, I've said this. Football players in America from
high school on, they get hurt, they get coached hard,
they get criticized by the media. Our basketball culture in
America to me, is sort of broken. Europe does a
better job. Our basketball culture is get them paid, kind
of coddling aau maybe a year of college. You could
(34:09):
sign a second NBA contract by the time you're twenty
two years old. And so I think older NBA players
can struggle with the reality of who they are an
old baseball player or an old football player. They often
just retire and they still have some game left, but
they come to terms with who they are at this age.
In basketball, it's very hard. Remember when Carmelo Anthony went
(34:31):
to Oklahoma City and he was at that point like
he was aging and a defensive liability and couldn't hit threes,
and you remember this press conference.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
How do you feel about, you know, starting at the four,
or the concept of starting at the four, or even
coming off with the bench.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
And the second question is me, I mean, I don't
know what I started.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
When I came from.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Hey, Peter said, I got to come off the bench. Yeah,
it wasn't long after that he came off the bench.
Jimmy Butler is acting and behaving badly because he wants
a new deal in Miami. And Jimmy Butler has made
the All Stars twice in seven seasons, and that's in
(35:22):
the weaker conference. And he's been hurt a lot and
he's been a great player, but he's not getting a
new deal. And that's just the way it is. No titles,
no MVPs, year fourteen, a lot of injuries, and I
like him. Now, not all old players age the same.
Steph Curry would have a vibrant market, Lebron James would
(35:44):
have a couple of teams. But now you're getting Jimmy
being a bit of a locker room problem on top
of this, and I just in my lifetime I have
seen this. The heat had to suspend Jimmy Butler for
two days, two games because of what's opening here, and
I look at older NBA players. I mean, I could
go I'm not picking on Mellow, It's just that SoundBite
(36:06):
was really ironic because it wasn't long after that he
was a bench player. Like he didn't hit threes, he
wouldn't defend, he didn't elevate others. He was just gifted offensively.
And I think sometimes one of the great things, like
hard parenting, creates an armor on your kids. They're they're
more resilient. And the NBA basketball culture and the AAU
(36:28):
culture is just it's a hey, let's get the guy paid.
Let's not take the player off. Even the NBA media
tends to feel like they're sort of protecting the players.
NFL media's brutal on players. But the difference is you
have a greater self awareness or understanding of sort of
what you are as your age. And I like Jimmy Butler,
(36:50):
but I think unless there's a really bad GM out there,
he's not getting another huge contract. Injuries, the league's getting younger,
it's getting bigger. It's just the reality of his career.
I saw this story. I said this yesterday and at
the top of the hour at Greg co Sell stops by.
It's going to be a really good segment. I'm also
going to take the Washington Philadelphia game and give you,
(37:12):
in order my opinion the top best players, chiefs Bill
same thing. And I through the years, I've done that
because it gives me. In a World Series, I'll do
that in the Super Bowl. I'll do that in the
NBA Finals. I will do that. Gives me some centup.
You know, let's just put it down on paper. I
heard a psychologist the other day saying, if you want
things to happen in your life, I've been doing this
(37:32):
for years. I had no idea it worked, but I
just did it for me because this is I'm old school.
I write down things I want to accomplish, and I
say them out loud, and I tell my kids to
do this all the time. Go home, yellow pad, write
it down, say it over and over, kind of manifest
it in your head. Stuff tends to work out when
you can see it, when you can speak it, when
you can visualize it. And I was watching a psychologist
(37:53):
about this, and the point being is you can speak
things to some degree into truth. And I'm looking at
this story that Aaron Glenn. They're saying, what is Aaron
Glenn the new Jets coach? What's it mean for Aaron
Rodgers and the New York Jets need to take a
piece of paper and write it down that the things
that really matter for the next three years, and Aaron's
(38:16):
not one of them. Okay, it's like the fifteenth best
quarterback in the league. It is augmenting your old line
Garrett Wilson. Start making him happy. Find the quarterback of
the future. This is not a shot at Aaron Rodgers.
But it's the same thing with the Atlanta Falcons coming
into this year, whether or not Kirk Cousins would have
(38:38):
ended the season strongly or not. If you write down
three or four or five or six things for the
Atlanta Falcons, panis and protecting him and elevating him as
number one, not the older quarterback, so that Jets have
a really good roster. That Jets have to get some
continuity and scouting and general managing. But this idea, now
for the last several years on that yellow sheet of
(38:59):
paper they put Aarin number one is Aaron happy. Let's
get Aaron what he wants. Let's get him a receiver
the position of quarterback is important to the Jets. The
player isn't and you just got to get over it.
Not only is Aaron not Mahomes, He's not Justin Herbert,
He's not c J. Stroud. At this point, he's not
as valuable as Baker Mayfield is to Tampa. So get
(39:22):
that yellow sheet out in New York. Aaron can't be
in your top five. And that's not a shot, that's
the reality. Kirk Cousins can't be in your top five
in Atlanta. I don't care that Aaron played better down
the stretch than Kirk, because Kirk played better early than Aaron.
Doesn't matter. Manifested that New York has spent two years
putting Aaron on the top of that yellow piece of paper.
(39:44):
Is Aaron happy? What about this coach? What about this player?
What about this acquisition? Those days are over, so it
doesn't matter what Aaron Glenn thinks. What matters is how
Aaron Glenn is going to create some chemistry and cohesion
in the locker room because it felt splintered last year
that we can't deny all right, top of the Hour
at Greg Cosel, the story that broke at the top
of the hour, and it's just jaw dropping to me.
(40:10):
Clarence Hill is reporting a very legitimate reporter, been doing
this for twenty plus years. They're gonna hire Brian Schottenneimer
as the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. He was
not interviewing as a head coach for other jobs. He
has had several lateral moves five years, three jobs. They
like him in the building that I understand, But he
didn't call plays last year. Not exactly sure how much
(40:33):
he can be connected or credited for their offense. I
you know what, maybe this is one of the reasons
Mike McCarthy left. He felt the heat from the Jones
family and their affection for Brian Schottenneimer. But we've gone
from Mike McCarthy to Dion Sanders to Brian Schottenheimer in
the course of a week. And that's not the right direction.
From a Super Bowl trophy to a promising young former
(40:56):
superstar player to a guy that's had three jobs five years.
It feels like the fall of an American institution. The
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go on a suddenly shocking Thursday, live in
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Hill had him on the show before. Knows this stuff. You,
as a former hardworking journalist boots on the ground, know
how hard it is to get scoops. Clarence Hill doesn't
say stuff unless it's true. This is shocking. Here we
go the Cowboys look for them to cross the finish
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line and hire Brian Schottenheimer. Possibly today, that is settling.
We are watching the fall of a great American institution.
He's not even interviewing for other jobs. Nothing against him.
Nice guy, three jobs, five seasons, never been a head coach,
never really been a top candidate for a head coach,
(01:35):
But Jerry likes him. He's bounced around the league again.
Dad was a legend, nice guy. But seven to ten
football teams don't move off a coach and then hire
the offensive coordinator who didn't call plays. I've never even
heard of that. I mean, in any industry, you do
not let good people leave the building, right, like we
(01:57):
all know, Like Liam Cohen is this kid at Tampa
the Resurrection of Baker Mayfield. He went and interviewed for
the Jacksonville job. He said, no, thank you. He was
such a good candidate. The owner of Jacksonville fired the
general manager who couldn't close the deal. He goes back
to Tampa and they're gonna make him highest paid coordinator
in the league. Offensively or Ben Johnson, who's going to
(02:17):
show up twenty five minutes on our show. He was
like the leading candidate for four jobs. Bryon Schottenneimer wasn't
a candidate for any other job. I looked at his
bio this morning. It's lateral moves entire career college pro
What are we doing? Elite employees don't make lateral moves?
(02:41):
Maybe at the end of their career, but not at
the beginning and middle. I mean, watch Vegas react to this.
So it just illustrates the directionless state of the Cowboys.
Mike McCarthy, a Super Bowl winning coach to Dion Sanders,
a very promising college coach, to an offensive coordinator in
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the building for a seven to ten team that didn't
call plays. What are we doing, Dallas, Cowboy fans? I'm
not overreacting here. You would become the Jaguars. You are
lost at sea. Jaguars can't find a coach. None of
the top candidates are interested. Cowboys now handing the keys
to somebody who's not a candidate for anybody else. You know,
(03:24):
it's funny. Troy Aikman had set a couple of weeks ago.
I don't think it's a coveted job. And he made
a really interesting point last week on the fact that
most coaches, you know, they want to bring in their
people to build their culture, and can you do that
in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
As far as a coveted job, I don't know that
that's accurate. I think most football people that take over
as a head coach, they want to do it on
their terms and that's hard to do, and it's you know,
if you take a Dan Campbell, for instance, is Dan
Campbell Dan Campbell if he's with the Dallas Cowboy It's
hard to imagine that he is. It's hard to imagine
that a lot of these coaches might be.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
No. Dan Campbell wouldn't have the power and the control
of the locker room and probably a say upstairs in personnel.
I mean McVeigh. Mcveigh's got power with the rams Shanahan
does in San Francisco, Belichick did, Andy Reid doesn't want it,
(04:26):
but could have it. You are watching, You are watching
the fall of a great American brand, a sports brand.
I said this. If it was not for Lebron James,
this would have been the Lakers the last five years.
Family members in the building, two insular, not enough outside voices.
(04:47):
I mean I said when the season started, I said,
the Cowboys will not make the playoffs, Washington will, and
they're going to start regressing. I didn't think it was this,
and this is nothing against the coach, but this is
somebody that's making lateral moves, is not up for other jobs.
This is incredible. I mean, this morning, when this came
(05:10):
down I'm speechless. I don't even know what to say
with this. You are now the Cowboys as America's number
one sports brand. You might as well just give that
to the Packers, give that to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Hand it over. It's over. It's done. You're no longer
America's team. I got I watched CJ. Stroud. Are you
Texas's team? I'm not sure? Wow, all right, It's gonna
(05:37):
take a while to digest. Ben Johnson bottom of the hour,
new Bears coach. So I saw this, I want to
I want to talk about Jayden Daniels, who is now
playing for the right to go to the Super Bowl,
which does not make any sense. But what makes even
less sense is a statistic from this regular season. He
(05:59):
has one elite weapon and a blow average roster. Jayden
Daniels in Washington had the highest fourth down conversion rate
in the regular season, ahead of Josh Allen who was second,
Patrick Mahomes third, and the Eagles who have Saquon Barkley,
Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown and the best offensive line in
the game. That makes no sense, And I was thinking
(06:20):
about best if you go back ten seasons, just a
decade the AFC had three icons legends at quarterback, Brady, Peyton, Manning,
and Big Ben. And you're thinking to yourself, man, when
these guys leave, how do you replace them? I mean,
the NBA has been searching for the next MJ for
(06:42):
twenty years and yet here we are today in the
AFC with Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Jackson, and Burrow. Those are
first ballot guys. Those are first ballot Hall of Fame guys.
I'm not even gonna get to the second tier guys
who are pretty good. You've got your Brady, your Man,
your Big Ben. They replaced him because college football, what
(07:03):
they provide for the NFL is so much deeper and
more talented than what college basketball provides to the NBA.
But I was thinking the NFC has been different. If
you go to the last ten Super Bowl teams in
the NFC, you have ten different quarterbacks. It's a bunch
of guys who you have to say, well, well, if
if Jordan Love wasn't as reckless, or if Matt Stafford
(07:25):
was younger, and I like Jared Goff at the O
lines ride and brock perty needs the right coach. In
the AFC, it's different and I really believe that Jaden
Daniels is the Mahomes of the NFC, that the pecking
order will start with him starting next year. I really
believe that. I don't think it's a reach. I don't
(07:46):
think it's hyperbolic. I think he's the Mahomes that from
this point forward people will slot behind now Caleb Williams
with Ben Johnson maybe a one A he could get
really close. But I don't know if I've ever seen
anything like this this early. The fact of the matter
that a rookie with a average O line that is
now missing their best offensive lineman against Philly this weekend
(08:09):
and one weapon Terry McLaurin was the best fourth down
team in football. Better than Lamar Jackson, better than Stafford,
Josh Allen, Patrick, Mahomes, Kelsey is a remarkable feat. Yesterday,
Tom Brady was on the show and I asked him,
what do you see that is special.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Some players need production to become confident. Some people become
confident before they have any production. That's a great trait
to have as an athlete. Before you walk on the field,
you're confident. You don't need to complete your first five
passes to become confident, and I think that's what I
see in a young Jade Daniels.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
The AFC has been rock stars at quarterback at the top.
The NFC has mostly been really good band members, and
I think Jay Daniels will change that. All right, we
go back to the Dallas Cowboys, according to Clarence Hill,
are hiring either today or tomorrow Brian Schottenheimer. And I've
said this for a long time, been doing this over
(09:12):
twenty five years. If you want to know if something
is good for your franchise, ask yourself, what are your
rivals saying? What do you think Philadelphia is saying today
about Brian Schottenheimer is a new coach. From McCarthy to
maybe Dion to the coordinator who didn't call place. I
(09:34):
don't want to attack him. It's just the bios out there.
He was not interviewing for other jobs. I mean, we
all knew Harball last year, top candidate Vrabel, this year,
top candidate Ben Johnson. He's the new whiz Kid, He's
the new Demiko Ryans that everybody's talking about. Liam Cohen
was on that space. Wow, J Mack, what do you
(09:54):
make of it? Let me just ask you, what do
you make of it.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
It smells like five and twelve next year for Dallas. Basically, right,
I don't know what Schottenheimer did this year. If he
didn't call plays, the offense wasn't dynamic, the defense kept
them in games. After Dak went down. I saw nothing
from this Cowboys offense. And now you're gonna kind of
promote him to head coach.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
It's a tough day. We got to get Michael Irvin
on the horn.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
He was all excited for Dion. Remember, He's like, oh, Dion, maybe, well,
I'll say this it is. I didn't know how Dion
would do, and we don't really know how A lot
of people are gonna do, not named Vrabel or Harbaugh.
I mean, Mike McCarthy would win somewhere. McCarthy maybe he
ends up in Jacksonville. That's great for Trevor Lawrence actually,
but my take is Dion was exciting, right like it
(10:40):
or not?
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I mean, in Chicago they're doing backflips for Ben Jonson.
They're going crazy in Chicago, and they should. It's exciting.
You watch the Lions and all the trick plays and
the clever stuff. Dion was exciting. There was hope and optimism.
This feels like settling.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Yeah. The only good news for Dallas is, you know,
Nick Sirianni's still in the division.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
They're not five him. Even if they lose this game.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I think there's still some question about what's going on
with Dabole and the Giants.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
We don't know if they're gonna be good.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Washington Common, Yeah, Washington is and jayden is with who
are they helming with?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
By the way, Oh?
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Oh, Dan quinn is their head coach. Where was he last.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Year in the building? Oh?
Speaker 6 (11:15):
He was at Dallas.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
I totally forgot about the yew.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
It's wow. This is the Empire does not strike back.
It folds.
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I just saw the second youngest active head coach in
the NFL. Only Mike McDonald will be younger. You're seeing
this all over the place. You're seeing it in college,
you're seeing it in pro Young people are crushing you know,
(11:53):
It's funny. We're seeing more great young candidates, and I
say this, be careful about put the Pete Carroll's out
the door. You look at the last six Super Bowls,
five have been won by Andy Reid, Bruce Arians and
Bill Belichick. I've always said this, I like my pilots
and my surgeons to have gray hair. But I do
think what you're finding now, and I find this with
(12:14):
my kids. My kids are a lot smarter than I
was at this at their age, and I do think
you get Sean mcvay's and Mike McDaniel and Ben Johnson,
and I don't know if it's the Internet. I don't
know if it's analytics, but they're sharp and they know
a lot at a very early age. It's very exciting.
I know, I spent a lot of time in Chicago,
and I'll tell you they're going they're going crazy. This
(12:35):
is the coach that the Chicago fans wanted, and he'll
be joining us in a couple of minutes. You know.
It's interesting. Caleb Williams is a guy that can leave
the pocket and he's electric, and it's interesting. Mahomes does
the same thing. And Brady came on our show yesterday,
Tom Brady and talked about what these mobile quarterbacks are doing,
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and they're sort of are they playing football or are
they playing the rule book.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
When quarterbacks become running backs and they're out of the pocket,
they should lose their protection, and we are in essence,
we're trying to say we're trying to protect the quarterbacks,
but coaches are calling more quarterback runs than ever in
the history of the game. If you're running with the ball,
you should protect yourself. If you don't want to get hit,
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you can go down, you can run out of bounds,
but you can't, in essence, have the defensive player come
in at half speed and then you run over the
defensive player because he's afraid of getting a penalty.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, and so it's a little bit of an NBA
ish problem where you have something and the fans don't
like it, and it does feel like manipulation, and you know,
the mahomes Is will get the scramble yards and the
first down and they'll slide light and then they'll get
the penalty and it's like, wait, this doesn't feel fair
for the defensive player. So I think you have to
do what baseball did. Baseball had a time problem, and
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these guys would get into the batter's box and they
would treen and they would have these quirky sort of habits,
and Major League Baseball said, yeah, that's going to end today.
No more of that now. And it ended in a week.
They complained, ended in a week. I think you have
to eliminate. I think once a quarterback leaves the pocket
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and you just tell everybody you're a running back, it'll
end really quickly. It just does not take that many
hits from Will Anderson. Mikeelvic once told me as it
was an Atlanta Falcon. He said, you know, I went
on the road and I got hit by I think
like London Fletcher, and he's like, yeah, I'm kind of
done doing that running thing. I must stand in the
pocket more. And you know, listen, there are guys like
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Big Ben in his prime or Josh Allen in his prime.
They're just bigger than defensive players. But I would say
Big Ben aged really quickly at the end, and Cam
Newton aged really really quickly in the middle of his career,
and they took too many hits. I think Josh Allen,
I think the Buffalo Bills have been very smart to
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kind of take away the Superman cape from Josh Allen
outside the pocket. They've done a really good job as
an organization because it's hard to ask Lamar Jackson or
Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen say, hey, no more running
for first downs. If your first two guys are covered
and you've been successful your whole life running, they're going
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to run. Mahomes is interesting. He doesn't run in the
first half, in my opinion, as much as he seems
to do in big games in the second half, so
it's more of a necessity. But there is a sense
that he's sort of manipulating the rules. And I thought, Baseball,
you know all I heard before Baseball put in that
pitch clock. Oh oh, Baseball Union people gonna complain. Baseball said, yeah,
get over it, And in a week baseball was more
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fun to watch and faster. So I just think you
have to just say, you leave the pocket. You're running back.
Here's the line of scrimmage. Now you're Saquon Barkley, and
you give because I agree with Brady here, the quarterbacks
are getting everything. They're getting the scramble yards, they get
a slide and sometimes then we eat without even helmet
to helmet they get a penalty yard. Well, I would
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do it too, I would manipulate it. So, I mean,
we all know when we get on the freeway we
can drive seven miles an hour faster than the speed limit.
There's manipulation of all laws and rules to a degree.
And we know that in the NFL as well. Bill
Belichick for years had his cornerbacks where gloves that were
the same color as the opponent so they could grab
and clutch more. But this feels because it's the quarterback,
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it's the star, it's the most important position, that it
feels like a little bit of manipulation towards the rules.
So you know, that's where we're at. Jmack with the.
Speaker 8 (16:32):
News, No turns, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
All right, Colin, Let's start with Peyton Manning. I remember
how legendary he was as a quarterback. Well, he had
playoff struggles similar to Lamar Jackson early in their career.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
And another quarterback who has yet to make a Super
Bowl is Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
And with the MVP candidate just a game away from
the Super Bowl, Peyton Manning has given him some advice, saying,
Josh is doing all the right things. I think he's
truly having fun. So I'd say relax and let it
come to him. Don't make that.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Press and stress and force balls and the coverage. Let
it come to him.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I never feel that he's anxious. I have felt it
and seen it with Peyton Manning and Lamar Jackson early
in their careers. I've never seen it with Josh. I've
never felt he's nervous or anxious. I felt he's so
gifted he tries to extend a play he shouldn't. Like Mahomes,
I've never sensed nerves Jalen Hurts. I don't sense nerves.
Joe Burrow, I don't. It's more erratic. It's more like, listen,
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I've run over guys my whole life. I'm gonna try it.
A couple of years ago, he had a red zone
interception issue. I never feel it's nerves ever with Josh Allen.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Look at the stats. This is a little listen again,
it's just early in their career.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
For twelve playoff starts, Josh Allen has been better than
Peyton oh I a considerable amount.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, I never feel it's nerves with him. And by
the way, everybody's different. Some I never felt nerves with
Tiger or Phil Mickelson. Mickelson just took too many risks.
I've felt nerve with other golfers.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
The weird part is I don't know that.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
The Chiefs are gonna be able to stop Josh Allen,
and the Bill could still lose because that defense. Colin.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I mean, you just watch a Raven slice and dice
them up and down.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I think we forget how good the Chiefs are at
the top of the hour. In thirty five minutes, I'm
gonna take both the Bills and the Chiefs rosters. You
know what I do before the top ten players. Yeah,
so I take before the huge games like the NBA Finals.
I'm gonna take the top ten players of the Eagles commanders.
It's pretty predictable, and the Bills and Chiefs. Huh. And
I think you'll be surprised by the Bills Chiefs. I
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just think you'll be surprised. I think we look at
Buffalo as an assortment of great players, and I'm just
very interested to see your reaction in thirty five minutes.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Okay, next up is over to the NFC, where the
Commanders are the surprise entrant in the NFC Championship Game,
just one win away from the Super Bowl with a
rookie quarterback. Early in the season, Washington lost to Tampa,
and dan Quinn said that loss in the season opener
helped fuel their run.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
That happened in the opening game. I felt dismissive. Hey man,
hanging there is going to be a long time. I
was like, hey ifew you know, like, that's not how
it's going to go down. And I was upset. But
it wasn't disrespect. It was dismissiveness. It's not to prove
it to everybody else or underdog stories. You know, how
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we get down.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, I'll say this again. We are really lucky in
the media and as football fans in America to have
Jayden Daniels we have. We maybe found our next Steve Young,
Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes. I know it sounds hyperbolic, but
I know my eyes. My eyes aren't telling me. This
kid is just different. So, you know, we talked.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Dan Quinn was with the Cowboys for a few years
and he desperately wanted to be a head coach again. Yeah.
I remember he was interviewing a bunch of persons and
he didn't end up taking anything. Ultimately he settles on
the commanders after Ben Johnson said not to it, and
they Jaden Daniels And now dan Quinn looks like he
could be on a trajectory to be back.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
To being a great coach.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
So fun.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Life is timing. Life is timing. You know what, dan
Quinn was going to succeed somewhere. He's too good of
a coach.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Like if he had gone to Jacksonville, he will make
on the unemployment line. If he had gone to Chicago,
probably the same situation now Lands and Washington.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
An amazing final story, Colin is this is a little speculative.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
The Titans have the number one pick in the draft
in April, and everybody's pegging them for a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
I had cam Ward to my mock draft.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Adam Schefter sat on a radio show, Adam Chefter of
ESPN that the Titans are looking at Penn State's Abdul Carter,
the pass rusher, or Colorado's Travis Hunter. On top of that,
Schefter added the Titans aren't locked in on taking a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
This is kind of sort of stunning. I don't know
if this is just you know, saying stuff or planting stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I'm going to tell you my strong opinion, the best
football player I saw in college football this year was
either Abdul Carter or the receiver from Arizona. Those are
the two best football players aston boys. This is a
great running back draft. I'm just telling you, Abdul Carter
and the receiver for Arizona are the two best players.
I talked to two gms. I think Mason Graham is
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very good at Michigan, but he's not that good. Jmack
with the news.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Herd Live right. Ben Johnson's been waiting patiently. All my
friends in Chicago are freaking out. They got their guy.
Ben Johnson's new coach of the Chicago Bears. And this
is what the city wanted, This is what the team wanted.
They interviewed seventeen people. But you were the hot candidate
this year, you know. And it's interesting mcshan McVay because
now you're the second youngest coach in the league. So
when McVeigh arrived, we didn't know who he was. We
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knew all about you. We saw your playbook the last
three years before we talk about the Bears. What you
did is remarkable. What Detroit did is unbelievable. I'm ben,
I'm I got gray hair, I'm sixty. I haven't seen
Detroit win my entire life. What is the one thing
in Detroit? Because this is a little bit of a
rebuild too, you're going to take from the Lions, and
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you have no problem saying that was really effective. I'm
taking this to Chicago, culture, coaching whatever.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Yeah, listen, I learned so much with my time with
Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes and those guys, and ultimately
it came down to the identity that they established in
Detroit was all about grit, being able to handle adversity
and fighting through the tough times. And that's what that
started with year one, and you saw it come to
fruition again this year with all the injuries that that
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team faced and being able to still fight through it
and come away with fifteen wins, a division title and
the number one seed. So end of the day, this league,
it's gonna knock you down and you've got to get
back up. That mindset and mentality it'll carry over here
to Chicago. It's not going to be said exactly the
same way. I'm not being Campbell. It's going to be
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my own spin on it. But really that identity of
those terms will still applot here as well.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So Garrett Goff is more of a pocket quarterback. Caleb
can do anything pocket outside. So you know, I'm You've
got two hundred plays, three hundred plays at your disposal.
There are some things you'll take from Detroit. You're obviously
smart and clever, and you're you're not adverse to risk.
But does it feel a little bit as a consumer
(23:22):
of your offense? Is it a new offense or do
you take bits and pieces of it because you have
a different person playing the position and a different skill set.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
It remains to be seen. I don't know Caleb like
that quite yet, but I'm really encouraged with what I've
seen on tape from him so far from this season
on the opposing sideline, I certainly felt his presence out there.
He's got an abundance of talent. I can't wait to
get to work with him. But obviously he is a
different player and has a different skill set than Jared did,
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and I'll be I'll be excited to see what direction
we go. It's gonna morph it's not going to look
the same as what it did in Detroit. There are
a lot of elements that I do believe in. We
want the same things to look different, different things look
the same multiplicity. We want the defense on their heels
and guessing at all times. But at the end of
the day, Caleb is gonna really dictate the direction that
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this offense goes and what we end up looking like.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Ben, it took years for the Lions to build the
best offensive line in football. It was through the draft,
and listen, I've always had a theory in the NFL.
Number one, find a quarterback. Number two, protect him, worry
about the weapons and stuff later. You got to protect him.
It's the insurance policy. Colts couldn't do that with Andrew
Lucky retired early. The old line last year regressed for Chicago.
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How do you make an O line? It's possible significantly better.
Is it play calling, changing protections? Is it the draft?
Is it free agency? Because that's pretty obvious the O
line has to get better quickly. How do you do that?
Speaker 8 (24:58):
There's no doubt. It's all the about that's everything you
just said. Uh, listen, we'll be in the player acquisition
phase here soon, whether it's free agents, draft picks, we'll
we'll look to improve the talent level within that room. Uh,
we're gonna find an excellent offensive line coach that will
coach these guys up with the vision that we have
in mind here for the for the offense and uh,
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and listen, we're gonna set a high bar and a
high standard and frankly, we're expecting to come through for
us at the end of the day. Play calling, yeah,
it's gonna it's gonna say, Uh, it's gonna have a
say in what this looks like here in the fall.
But end of the day, Uh, we're gonna take all
avenues that we possibly can to get this offensive line
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going to help Caleb to help the run game. And
that's what we need in this division, particularly we play outdoors.
We need to be able to run the ball in
January and December.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Some coaches want to say in personnel. McVeigh likes to
have a little bit of a say, Shanahan, Uh, there
are other guys. Andy Reid kind of lets Brett veach
do it do you like? I mean, some coaches are
Jimmy Johnson was unbelievable at it. He could have been
a GM Parcels similarly very strong Sean Payton. Are you
a personnel guy too? Or is that?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
You give me the players all figure out the football?
How much say in personnel? Do you like?
Speaker 8 (26:16):
Man? I tell you what. That's what appealed to me
so much about this job was the trust I have
in Ryan. He's brought in a ton of talented players
are already this roster is just overflowing on offense and
defense with some great players, great character built in. I
really love that about it as well, and so I'm
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excited to get to work with him. I wouldn't say
I'm one way or the other. I just I really
believe that we're going to be aligned and well as
a coaching staff, give Ryan a great vision of what
we're looking for at each position and what we want
for a Chicago Bear to be moving forward and listen.
I'm just excited to be able to work with him
every step of the way.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Here.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Who's your coaching mentor who is it?
Speaker 8 (27:00):
Yeah, there's a billion of them I've had. I've had
so many. Uh, Mike Sherman early in my career really
really showed me the ways of the NFL. You know
Dan Campbell, I would say, is not just a friend,
but he has been a great mentor. But in a
different way. Uh, I've had a number of great influences
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from a leadership perspective, but also schematic as well. So
I can't put my finger on just one man. It's
it's been a number of guys in UH. It's really
it's really been a compilation of everything that I've experienced
so far in my career.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
You are up for like every job, your name was
mentioned every single one. Why the Bears.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
This place is special? I felt that on the interview.
I felt that with the people on there, George McCaskey,
Kevin Warren, Ryan Poles, the rest of the search committee,
I felt really confident in their vision and their direction
for the franchise going forward. Is something I wanted to
be a part of. I've spent time in Chicago. I
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know what a great sports town this is. I want
desperately to be successful here in football so that they
can thrive and they have a team that they're proud
of going to the games too. So that played a
huge factor of it. It was the people, it was
the place, and as I said before, as a competitor.
As a competitor, I love this division. There's so many
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good teams and good coaches and good players in this division. Honestly,
as a competitor, I did not want to leave it.
This is what I want to go against.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
You know, when you have somebody that can do so
many things off script, and most offensive coaches come in
ten twelve plays, Let's get the ball rolling, let's take
a lead, let's see, let's catch them, element of surprise,
and that's you know what almost all you guys do.
I'd watched Detroit games. I could tell within twelve plays
what you saw as a weakness, what you saw as
a strength. And then you have Caleb who can do
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so much offscript. What is the line when you're an
offensive coach from here's the script and why don't you
I'm gonna let you make a decision on this. Is
there a line in that communication with Caleb is Hey,
this is gonna be your discretion on some of these plays.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
Yeah, listen, there's gonna be a balancing factor that we
got to work through. Part of his superpower coming out
of USC though, was his ability to create and extend plays.
And we don't want to take that away from him,
so it'll be clear what the structure is of the
passing game, what the progressions are, and ultimately, if the
guys aren't open one, two, three in the pockets breaking down,
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we're gonna encourage him to extend the play and go
ahead and use that superpower and create exposive plays that
a way haven't necessarily been a part of that in
my past. So I'm really excited to see what that
looks like and how that all comes together for us here.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Ben Johnson. By the way, the Lions led the NFL
and play action Bears weren't near the bottom. So as
you talked about the on line in a run game,
cold weather is essential. Matt lafleur is always understood that
in Green Bay, you're outside, it's cold. Green Bay went
out and got an expensive, great running back and they
became a power football team. And I agree with you.
The weather. I mean Baltimore, by the way, Buffalo with
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James Cook, these cold weather team, Seattle and Marshawn Lynch
where I grew up. It's not just a myth. Cold
weather teams run the ball. I mean it's funny. Kansas
City got rid of the great Tyreek Hill, they've won
back to back, and it's like, how is that possible?
So when I listen to you, the one thing I
think you're gonna take from Detroit listening to you is
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you're gonna run the ball. Can't this can't just be
quarterback centric.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
Listen, the number one deciding factor of winning and losing
games right now is quarterback success in quarterback efficiency. But
the best way you can help that for a young
player especially is to have a great running game. And
so listen, that's something that we are going to hang
our hat on. We'll see how well we improve up.
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I like the backs that we already have on the roster,
and we can certainly look to augment that position group
as well. But it's gonna start there, and it's gonna
take everybody, not just those two. We need great tight
ends blocking. We need our perimeter players willing to block
down the field so that we can spring long runs.
And that's something that we've been able to encourage and
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get done in my past. So I'm looking forward to
bringing that here to Chicago as well.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Ben Johnson, new Bears coach. People are happy in a
great American city. Ben, thanks for stopping by the herd.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
Thank you, Colin.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
All Right, so there you go. Yeah, I mean, if
you really look, we talk about this all the time.
Go look at what Baltimore does. Let's go get Dereck Henry.
And you look at Buffalo. They've gotten better since they
add James Cook and Matt Lafleur is like, oh, let's
go get Josh Jacobs. Ooh, that's a very expensive running
back when you're playing outdoors. The best Seattle teams you
had Russell Wilson running around and Marshawn Lynch in the backfield.
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It's just I mean, John Elway, as great as he was,
he gets real cold Thanksgiving on in Denver, Elway's best teams.
Terrell Davis not throwing the ball down the field. So
good stuff. We take a break. Greg Cosell is stopping
by today. Greg Cosell, Top of the Hour on Thursday yesterday.
I can admit I did not know it was Wednesday
until after the show. Listen, folks, these once the NFL
(32:18):
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man can get lost. I'm just it's Thursday today. Though
I'm feeling good about it.
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Speaker 1 (33:47):
You know, I've said this. Football players in America from
high school on, they get hurt, they get coached hard,
they get criticized by the media. Our basketball culture in
America to me, is sort of broken. Europe does a
better job. Our basketball culture is get them paid, kind
of coddling aau maybe a year of college. You could
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sign a second NBA contract by the time you're twenty
two years old. And so I think older NBA players
can struggle with the reality of who they are an
old baseball player or an old football player. They often
just retire and they still have some game left, but
they come to terms with who they are at this age.
In basketball, it's very hard. Remember when Carmelo Anthony went
(34:31):
to Oklahoma City and he was at that point like
he was aging and a defensive liability and couldn't hit threes,
and you remember this press conference.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
How do you feel about, you know, starting at the four,
or the concept of starting at the four, or even
coming off with the bench.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
And the second question is me, I mean, I don't
know what I started.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
When I came from.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Hey, Peter said, I got to come off the bench. Yeah,
it wasn't long after that he came off the bench.
Jimmy Butler is acting and behaving badly because he wants
a new deal in Miami. And Jimmy Butler has made
the All Stars twice in seven seasons, and that's in
(35:22):
the weaker conference. And he's been hurt a lot and
he's been a great player, but he's not getting a
new deal. And that's just the way it is. No titles,
no MVPs, year fourteen, a lot of injuries, and I
like him. Now, not all old players age the same.
Steph Curry would have a vibrant market, Lebron James would
(35:44):
have a couple of teams. But now you're getting Jimmy
being a bit of a locker room problem on top
of this, and I just in my lifetime I have
seen this. The heat had to suspend Jimmy Butler for
two days, two games because of what's opening here, and
I look at older NBA players. I mean, I could
go I'm not picking on Mellow, It's just that SoundBite
(36:06):
was really ironic because it wasn't long after that he
was a bench player. Like he didn't hit threes, he
wouldn't defend, he didn't elevate others. He was just gifted offensively.
And I think sometimes one of the great things, like
hard parenting, creates an armor on your kids. They're they're
more resilient. And the NBA basketball culture and the AAU
(36:28):
culture is just it's a hey, let's get the guy paid.
Let's not take the player off. Even the NBA media
tends to feel like they're sort of protecting the players.
NFL media's brutal on players. But the difference is you
have a greater self awareness or understanding of sort of
what you are as your age. And I like Jimmy Butler,
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but I think unless there's a really bad GM out there,
he's not getting another huge contract. Injuries, the league's getting younger,
it's getting bigger. It's just the reality of his career.
I saw this story. I said this yesterday and at
the top of the hour at Greg co Sell stops by.
It's going to be a really good segment. I'm also
going to take the Washington Philadelphia game and give you,
(37:12):
in order my opinion the top best players, chiefs Bill
same thing. And I through the years, I've done that
because it gives me. In a World Series, I'll do
that in the Super Bowl. I'll do that in the
NBA Finals. I will do that. Gives me some centup.
You know, let's just put it down on paper. I
heard a psychologist the other day saying, if you want
things to happen in your life, I've been doing this
(37:32):
for years. I had no idea it worked, but I
just did it for me because this is I'm old school.
I write down things I want to accomplish, and I
say them out loud, and I tell my kids to
do this all the time. Go home, yellow pad, write
it down, say it over and over, kind of manifest
it in your head. Stuff tends to work out when
you can see it, when you can speak it, when
you can visualize it. And I was watching a psychologist
(37:53):
about this, and the point being is you can speak
things to some degree into truth. And I'm looking at
this story that Aaron Glenn. They're saying, what is Aaron
Glenn the new Jets coach? What's it mean for Aaron
Rodgers and the New York Jets need to take a
piece of paper and write it down that the things
that really matter for the next three years, and Aaron's
(38:16):
not one of them. Okay, it's like the fifteenth best
quarterback in the league. It is augmenting your old line
Garrett Wilson. Start making him happy. Find the quarterback of
the future. This is not a shot at Aaron Rodgers.
But it's the same thing with the Atlanta Falcons coming
into this year, whether or not Kirk Cousins would have
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ended the season strongly or not. If you write down
three or four or five or six things for the
Atlanta Falcons, panis and protecting him and elevating him as
number one, not the older quarterback, so that Jets have
a really good roster. That Jets have to get some
continuity and scouting and general managing. But this idea, now
for the last several years on that yellow sheet of
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paper they put Aarin number one is Aaron happy. Let's
get Aaron what he wants. Let's get him a receiver
the position of quarterback is important to the Jets. The
player isn't and you just got to get over it.
Not only is Aaron not Mahomes, He's not Justin Herbert,
He's not c J. Stroud. At this point, he's not
as valuable as Baker Mayfield is to Tampa. So get
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that yellow sheet out in New York. Aaron can't be
in your top five. And that's not a shot, that's
the reality. Kirk Cousins can't be in your top five
in Atlanta. I don't care that Aaron played better down
the stretch than Kirk, because Kirk played better early than Aaron.
Doesn't matter. Manifested that New York has spent two years
putting Aaron on the top of that yellow piece of paper.
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Is Aaron happy? What about this coach? What about this player?
What about this acquisition? Those days are over, so it
doesn't matter what Aaron Glenn thinks. What matters is how
Aaron Glenn is going to create some chemistry and cohesion
in the locker room because it felt splintered last year
that we can't deny all right, top of the Hour
at Greg Cosel, the story that broke at the top
of the hour, and it's just jaw dropping to me.
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Clarence Hill is reporting a very legitimate reporter, been doing
this for twenty plus years. They're gonna hire Brian Schottenneimer
as the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. He was
not interviewing as a head coach for other jobs. He
has had several lateral moves five years, three jobs. They
like him in the building that I understand, But he
didn't call plays last year. Not exactly sure how much
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he can be connected or credited for their offense. I
you know what, maybe this is one of the reasons
Mike McCarthy left. He felt the heat from the Jones
family and their affection for Brian Schottenneimer. But we've gone
from Mike McCarthy to Dion Sanders to Brian Schottenheimer in
the course of a week. And that's not the right direction.
From a Super Bowl trophy to a promising young former
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superstar player to a guy that's had three jobs five years.
It feels like the fall of an American institution. The
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