November 27, 2024 • 39 mins
Thoughts on Thursdays Dolphins-Packers game and why the climate is going to matter
Joel Klatt joins The Herd to talk about the Michigan-Ohio State game and the college football playoff
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, here we go. It's hour two and a Wednesday.
Thanksgivings tomorrow. Thanks to Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Fame coach,
for stopping by Joel Klatz coming up next final hour,
Greg co Sal usually do Thursdays. We're doing Wednesday because
the staff, the team is off Thursday and Friday. This
is about the fifty to fifties, you know, the midfield
for the football season. Maybe a little bit encroaching into
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the other team's territory. So Jmac, who had major facial
hair yesterday, looks like a ninth grader. He's back to
looking like a young man. So somebody gave you heat
at home?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
No, No, nobody at home, but just some people were
not huge fans of it.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
But it's funny.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I was just talking to the hair and makeup people.
I couldn't grow facial hair in high school?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Could you?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Were you able to have like a mustache or a
go to year?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
No? I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
So now that I can, I just do wacky stuff whenever.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Just why not?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Why not push the envelope, make people uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I've been doing that.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I was uncomfortable. So I do think a fascinating game
in the NFL tomorrow is Miami at Green Bay. And
you know Tua has not been a great cold weather quarterback.
And it's funny. I think weather and climate plays a
much bigger factor in sports than anybody wants to admit.
Who was the leading metal winning country in the twenty
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twenty two Winter Olympics, Norway. It's amazing when you're a
proximity to mountain ranges, they're not nearly as good in
the Snumber Games. I don't know what it is. We'll
do a deep dive on journalism there, but it's just
the reality of it. If you go look at September
records in the NFL Denver since two thousand, home September
games been a lot of average Bronco teams. Third winning
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is record at home home in September. Why you come
out of camp. You go play high altitudes, play at
eight thousand feet or whatever. It is, all of a sudden,
you're gasping for air in the fourth quarter. And by
the way, every single since they introduced beach volleyball in college,
USC and UCLA have won every national championship. Climate matters,
Proximity to mountains matter. Green Bay is a very good
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cold weather team. In Miami's terrible. If you go look
at Tua, I mean, in fact, look at this, think
about the dynasties in the NFL. They go through cold weather.
The dynasty since Vince Lombardi, Green Bay, New England Steelers
Chiefs all cold weather, and then Dallas and San Francisco. Well, Dallas,
ice storms happened regularly in the winter. In Dallas. Dallas
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gets snow. We've watched games our entire live Thanksgiving Super Bowls.
It gets snowy in cold in Dallas and San Francisco.
As Mark Twain said, the coldest winter I ever spent
was my summer in San Francisco. So San Francisco's not
a warm weather market. So the NFL goes through cold weather.
Not a lot of dome teams win in Super Bowls.
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No dynasties the warm weather teams. I mean, even when
Miami had Marino and Shula, even when the Chargers had
Fouts and Airic Coriel, they couldn't create a dynasty, even
though they were the great offensive teams of their time.
Here is Mike McDaniel's, the coach of the Dolphins, on
going to Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
How do those narratives about Dolphus not being able to
play in the cold make you specifically feel.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
You know, I was just gonna carry ice cubes in
my pockets and throw them at players all week. Yeah,
I think everybody. Jimmy Johnson just said it. To go
up on a short week to play in Green Bay
in the twenty five degrees, it's different. It will look
different and feel different. Tua grew up in Hawaii, played
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at a high school football power. Then he goes to
the SEC It's Alabama, mostly warm games, and then he
goes to the Miami Dolphins. He just does not have
a ton of experience, and it just so happens. In
the NFL right now, teams are Detroit, Philly, Baltimore, Kansas City, Buffalo.
So if you're gonna win a Super Bowl, you know,
maybe you get lucky. But it seems to me, you
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know you're gonna have to go play in nine degrees
a couple of different times if you're Miami and their
only way in this year as a wildcard team. So
I really like the Dolphins a lot, but you're not
hoisting a trophy. It just whether in climate matter than
more people think. Now, let's bring on the voice of
college football at Fox Sports, Joel Colt, who is doing
Michigan at number two Ohio State sub Dude, how you doing?
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Happy Thanksgiving? Happy Thanksgiving to you? So I don't get
too worked up on the twelve team PLAYFF ago two
weeks ago. Okay the rankings you mean? Yeah? Okay, I
mean Notre Dame going to USC. They haven't played a
ranked team since September. All SC games are all SC
games look the exact same. Now, usc is is not
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nearly built in the fashion to compete with Notre Dame.
You get to get you terrible matchup for USC. What
about what a terrible Texas Texas A and M. A
bad matchup for Texas A and M. So let's go
over both of them. USC You've got to be tough
in the trenches because with Jeremiah Love in this run game,
including Riley Leonard, who can run the football a little bit.
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For Notre Dame, you've got to be great stop in
the run, which means you've got to have a great
defensive line. That's exactly where USC is thin right now.
If they want to win, they would want to get
you in space, and they want to just say like, okay,
let's let's equate talent on the outside, and then they've
they've got some weapons. But if you take them into
a phone booth and you say like, hey, let's go
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play a trenches game, they're not built for that right now. Now.
Maybe they will be through recruiting and development and things
in the future, but not right now. So USC they're
not built to beat this Notre Dame team, even at home.
Even at home. Meanwhile, in that Texas Texas A and
M game, it's similar in the sense that A and
M has to be able to run the ball because
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they don't throw it well. They have a freshman quarterback
who's getting back, he's getting better. But when they don't
have Le'Veon Moss on the field, they run the ball
for under four yards of carry. Last week against Auburn,
and they can't throw it very well. So it's like, okay,
well wait, so you mean to tell me your offense
is stagnated because your running back is out and now
you've got to face Texas, which has a great pass
defense with Jahda Barron, who's a Thorpe Award finalist, Makuba
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who transferred in from Clemson. I just don't see how
A and m is able to score a lot of
points against this Texas defense that, frankly is one of
the better defenses in all of college football. I feel
the same way with Michigan. If you're gonna beat Ohio State,
you gotta have to score. Oregon did it, Indiana tried.
I don't think Michigan has the firepower, do they? Yeah,
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you know they finally had it last week. Do you
see they scored fifty against Northwestern. Now, granted, that's Northwestern,
so I'm not saying that all of a sudden their
offense has arrived, but their offense is better now than
it was early in the season. But I agree with you,
I just I don't get the sense. Here's the thing
about Ohio State. So Ohio State just has answers. Whatever
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type of game you want to drag them into They
probably feel like they can win that game, and that's
not the case with every team. They feel like they
could probably go win a talent equated game just throwing
the ball with their wide receivers and Will Howard. They
probably feel like with their run game, even with the
banged up offensive line. But when you have Trevon Henderson
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and Quinshaw Judkins, you feel like you can go win
a running game like they did with Penn State, and
they finished the game on the field, grinding out downs
in a four minute offense. They feel like they can
go out there and win a defensive oriented game. They're
the number one rank defense both total and scoring defense
in the country. They've done it both rushing the passer
and sitting back and playing zone. So like all of
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a sudden, you look at this team and there's an
incredible amount of balance and answers. Regardless of what you
ask of them, they can at least provide an answer.
And I think that's a big credit to Ryan Day
in the way that he built this roster and this team.
But Michigan doesn't have that this year. They did last
year and they had answers against Penn State but now,
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you know, without JJ McCarthy, it's like, what are you
on third down? You know, like JJ McCarthy, the reason
he was a top ten pick is because of what
he did on third down. He was the number one
quarterback in the country on third down. He kept him
on the field, He protected the defense, he won the
time possession. Those extra first first downs turned into great
field position. And now when you don't have that, it's like, Okay,
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now the defense is more exposed. You don't have the
field position and you're not getting the ball down the field.
So Michigan's going to have to pull a bit of
a rabbit out of their hat in this one, and
they're going to have to do so in the same
physical fashion that they did the previous three iterations of
this when they won the game. You know, speaking of
cold weather, you were talking about cold weather supposed to
be like mid twenties and windy, so it could be
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a game in which you got to run the football
fifty times. Do you trust Michigan's offensive line this year
to run the ball fifty times against Ohio State? No,
that's not. They're D Line's great, D Line's great. Two
Top twelve draft picks on the D line in a
great corner Will Johnson. I know, and it's been a bummer.
Will Johnson has been out basically the back half of
the year, so they've had to move their nickel Zeke
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Berry out of the outside and he plays corner. I
hope Will is healthy and gets healthy because he's a
terrific player. So I was a little reality check for
SEC fanboy yesterday on the show. I said, you know,
when you stole Texas and Oklahoma from the Big Twelve,
You're like, that's what we do. The downside is Alabama
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now doesn't get the Middle Tennessee state. They had to
go to Norman and they got humiliated. Yeah, and I
don't have any sympathy for well, we play a tougher schedule. Well,
I mean, dude, sorry, I just I bristled, because like,
they don't play nine conference games, they play eight. Oregon
had to play eight consecutive weeks of Big Ten play.
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No SEC comes team comes close to that. Now. Now,
I'm not saying that Georgia's schedule has been easy or
Alabama's schedule has and easy. The top of the SEC
is terrific, it really is. The problem is is that
you lose me and you lose the benefit of the
doubt when you start losing to five loss Oklahoma and
seven loss it was Kentucky. It wasn't that Alabama lost
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in Oklahoma. They got smashed. They weren't competitive. Correct, absolutely correct,
And that's a problem. And that's a problem. And now
people are like, well, what's the path for Alabama and
the playoff? No path? I mean, I know the committee
kind of can't let no. You can't let baman. I
don't think so you can't let baman. I don't think
that is over. It's over with some chaos. I think
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they would get consideration. I'll let you lose to a
big dog, and I'll give you a mulligan. Vandy was
the mulligan. Sure you don't get a second mulligan with
a twelve team playoffs. No, I I listen, I agree
with you. I mean, you lost a tough game at Tennessee,
and that's a good game. I'll give you that the
really good team, and I'll give you and Vandy on
the road. You're like, Okay, there's your mulligan, and he's
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pretty good. This year. You cannot go to oh you
by the way, and They're previous six games against the FBS.
FBS they were one and five. Yeah, and they got
their doors blown off, you know, So like that, that's
my frustration with all this, and then and then to
see them sitting there at thirteen. Now, like the committee,
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the Committee has such a clear bias towards the SEC
and have forever, which is like, I know that that's
kind of baked in, but it's real. Meanwhile, Indiana gets
ranked behind SMU. Indiana's got a tougher strength of schedule.
Their loss was to the number one, number one defense
in the country in Ohio State on the road. Meanwhile
SMU lost to BYU. They've got like a five point
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win over Nevada, Like, come on, like, what are we doing?
The college football playoff system is just so flawed, And
at the heart of the flaw is this committee that
like the Committee has has no rationale for the things
that they do. They take the path of least resistance
generally speaking, even though they didn't do that last year,
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and they give us these rankings like, you cannot tell
me that Indiana should be ranked behind SMU. That's not
a thing. Yeah, the I will say this about Indiana,
is it didn't bother me. When Will Howard did the
sig thing for Kurt Signetty, you know the coach. I
thought Indiana came in a little hot, a little cocky
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for my taste. Yeah, I am a man of a
humble servant to American listeners. Clearly I didn't like their attitude.
They were a little much for me. And I think
Ohio State said you're Indiana, kill pill good season. There's
no doubt that the approach that Kurt Signetti has taken
very aggressive. It's been very aggressive. Yeah, and I want
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to touch on both sides of this. If if, if
you don't mind, But there's no doubt that there was
a lot of folks at Ohio State that were like,
come get some Yeah, like let's go. This is a
big this is where, this is where we live. Yeah,
you know you've been dreaming of getting here and you
think you're breathing this rarefied air. No, no, no, we
live this three hundred and sixty five days year. And
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there was definitely that feeling. Now, having said that, if
you're Kurt Signetti and you take the job at Indiana
and you go there and you walk around the campus
and you walk around the building, and you get this
sense that like, hey, everyone's just excited for like nothing.
There's no energy towards success. It's always like, well, how
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are you going to do it here? You really think
you can win here? And to him, so he wants
to build something, He's like, I have to rattle the
cage here. And while he's rattling the cage at Indiana
trying to communicate this like, hey, guess what, produce sucks
and Michigan does too, and Ohio State does too, and
he's saying all these outlandish things, you have to understand
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he's not doing that to try to communicate to Purdue
or to Michigan or to Ohio State or any other
fan base. He's doing that for his own fan base
and for his own program. And he and I have
talked about that. He's like, listen, I would have handled
this a lot differently if this was a different place.
But I had to rattle the cage hard here at
Indiana to try to shake loose some sort of belief
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that we could actually do this and we could do
it in a quick fashion. Barry Alvarez did that, you know,
thirty forty years ago. It Wisconsin. Is that you ever
hear the story about Barry Alvarez. So he came into
Wisconsin and everybody said, oh boy, our facilities, who need
an upgrade? He goes, I love them. Yeah, be proud
of these facilities at Wisconsin. These are great facilities. We're
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not changing the damn thing. Great Camp Randall's great. And
by the way, Dion did that at Colorado. He did
when he got the job at Colorado, everyone was there like, well,
how are you going to recruit in the middle of
the country, and oh, man, Colorado has been down and
destitute for two decades, Like why are you doing? Why
did you take that job? And he came in and
he was like, look at this place, Look at this place.
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This place is great, you know, and he immediately built
it up to something that maybe the people that were
there didn't even see. And that's what Signetti was doing.
And Dion drew a lot of iron for that early
last year in his first year, and now Signetty has
has drawn a lot of iron for that in his
first year in Indiana. I know that you're cozy with
some of these big name coaches, so I'm gonna put
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you in a tough spot. Okay, Oh, Okay, so I said,
let's hear it. So Ohio State and Ryan Day's in
a weird spot. Everybody's like, he's gotta beat Michigan. The
problem is when he does, you're not gonna get any credit. Yeah,
you're like, oh, they'd be a hardball's gun. And then
he beats Oregon, You'll be like, we got better players
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and they already beat us, so revenge his heart. He
won't get any credit for that, even though Oregon may
be the best team in the country. It's weird if
he beats Michigan and Oregon, and beating Oregon anywhere is hard.
And then he goes and plays Tennessee and he loses
his first game when they spent twenty million, people gonna
be like, oh, they'll be all over him. Well, only
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team in this tournament there is only one result. They'll
be allowed to lose in overtime to Texas and the Natty.
Maybe maybe maybe, Ohio State's the only team with the coach.
Many will subscribe do we got the wrong coach? Unless
he gets to the new I listen. I agree with this,
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and Ryan is a ridiculously successful coach. His record the
timeout his record is sixty six and nine. It's wild.
It's wild. He's got the highest winning percentage of any
coach with over sixty games, and he has remade this
program and built it into something that has answers like
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this is a different team this year than they've had
over the last three years. And by the way, so
him stepping away from play calling duties, that was a
huge step for him because he's one of the elite
play callers in college football. So he Kippen struggle with
that he steps away from play calling duties, but look
what it has provided them. Look at this calling. Check
this out. So this year, you go into this year
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with Chip Kelly call in the offensive plays and Jymnles
on the defensive side, and they're going through the year
and everything's hunky Dori, and then bam, you lose at Oregon.
And now again this s guy is falling because at
Ohio State, you can't have one bad day, you can't
have one bad court. He didn't even have a bad day. No,
you know, they get a flag thrown and was it right?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Was it right?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I don't know. They lose the game by a point
at Oregon, and the sky is falling because it's Ohio State,
and you can't lose a game at Ohio State. But
what did he do? Because he made the decision to
be a CEO, he was able to go in and
look in at the defense and say, what do we
need to change in this defense? He was able to
do that with his offense and like, what do we
need to do with the offensive line lineup in order
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to make us better? So now when you look at
their team from the Oregon loss on defense, they've changed
a little bit and evolved. The previous three years, his
team was never able to evolve because he was so
integrated in the offensive side. So the defense never got
extra eyes on them. The offense never got extra eyes
on them. Now he's a true CEO and so Chip
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gets extra eyes on the offense. What can we do
in the run game? What should we do with the
offensive line? Jim Knowles gets extra eyes on the defense?
What should we do with the pass rush? Why did
we not get to Dylan Gabriel? But now we're getting
to Curtis Rourke because they changed and evolved. Rather than
a straight four man rush, they started to bring the
extra man in a blitz. They started to slant, They
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started to stunt. They started to do these things that
has allowed them to have success, and that only happens
if he evolved as a coach himself, stepped away from
play calling duties and became more of a CEO. It's
not a story that's often told, but like, that's what
you need to do. By the way, guys that call
their own plays don't win the national championship. Yeah, you
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gotta give it up. The last guy I think was
Jimbo for Florida State. It just doesn't happen. Yeah, And
so you're right about the standard and him going into this.
And then the last point that I would make this
playoff format and we should be, Yeah, we should be.
I like it. I get it, But I don't need
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another Bowl game in Shreveport. I like it. No, that's fine.
I'm not saying that the playoff in general. I'm just
think about the format though. When you give the top
four seeds just to conference champions, that means that the
four seed is likely going to be the tenth or
eleventh best team in the country. True, which means that
there is actually a cleaner path for the five seed
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than there is the one seed, which means if you're
in the Big Ten Championship game, do you want to
win it? Or do you want to lose it? Because
the five seed in this case plays a home game
against Arizona State and then a second round game against
Boise the one seed, what do you get for winning
the Big Ten Championship? Possibly Georgia as your first playoff game?
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So what would you rather? You answer this, what would
you rather do? Play two games one against Arizona State,
one against Boise, or one neutral site game against Georgia. Yeah,
it's not perfect. It's better than what we had, but
it's not perfect. I mean they should recede after the
first round. I mean it's so obviously. What's wrong with that.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I mean it's a good idea. They're not doing that.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Though, well I know they're not. I'm just saying that
they should. Yeah, don't we receive in the NFL? Doesn't
the Crickets the number one? The number one say if
you get the buy yeah yeah, yeah? They do you
play the worst remaining team? Yeah? Yeah, Well that's absolutely
if we want to honor the regular season. But again,
we have the same people. It's the same individuals that
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gave us like the Bull Coalition and then the Alliance,
and then the BCS and then the original playoff and
now this twelve team playoff and it's like they've never
gotten it right. Why did we allow the same people
to build this? The format's wrong. I don't disagree with
you now again. And to ask an uncomfortable question on
Thanksgiving week? How do we view Dion Sanders credit? He
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acknowledged we would we were buying our own media. Yeah,
they never Kansas. Kansas, by the way, as well coached.
So give the give the Jayhawks credit. They have a
football program now that's redeemable and they didn't forever. But
let's be honest. How do we look at Colorado? Are
they just interesting? And we'll leave it at that. They're
not great, they're not, but they're an interesting part of
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the sport and that's just what they're going to be.
You think he stays there for sure? Are you sure? No?
I'm not sure. Thank you. He told me he was well,
But I mean with coaches like I don't, I don't know.
I mean I bumped your segment two weeks ago, but yeah,
you never know. Loyalty is a hard thing. That's right.
You did, you did. There was a lot of questions
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in there. How do I view this even if they
don't go to the Big twel Championship, Like if they
beat Oklahoma State but don't get into the Big twelve GI,
I just think they're a great new fun story in
college football. They're not elite, they're they're fun, They're new.
I like them. Colorado has fundamentally changed college football? What
do you mean by that? They provided a blueprint for
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how to quickly turn around an organization in a program
with im that was totally dormant, and so Indiana used
that with twenty seven transfers, and so now in college football,
not only is there an expanded playoff and there's an
expanded avenue towards the playoff, but but you've also got
different ways that you can go and actually be successful.
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Dion showed to the rest of the country that with
some charisma and investment, you can go out there and
find requisite players at the lower levels of football and
bring them in and win right away, and in a
short two year span they're going to be an eight
or nine win team, possibly play for a Big twelve
title that was never afforded. A team that was one
and eleven. It was a three four to five year
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process for a one and eleven team to actually change.
So then all of a sudden, Indiana's like, well, hey,
we can do that. Let's go get a guy like
Kirk Signetti and bring him up from the lower levels
and he brings all of his JM. You guys, Colorado
laid the blueprint for what Indiana is doing this year,
and more teams are going to follow it. More teams
will do this, and that's good for the sport because
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what we've had is like a cycle of elitism where
the same five and six teams win every single year.
Why because they get the best players. It's not like
the NFL. Well, the worst team gets the best player. Here,
the best team gets the big best player. Because they
had this monopoly over the avenue to success, that's no
longer the case. And part of that avenue was paved
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by Dion Sanders. So he has fundamentally changed college football forever.
You said two weeks ago you would not be bitter
if he went to the NFL. You would appreciate what
he delivered, and I agree with that. But today shadu
Or goes number one, there's about seven teams going to
replace their coach, Are you a fifty to fifty stay
or go? What do you think? What's your gut feeling.
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I think it would be really hard for him to
turn down the New York Giants or the Dallas Cowboys,
those brands. Now Here's what I will say, though, is
that and I've made this this it's not really an argument.
I've made this point before, and I think that it
remains truer today than ever. Which is as much as
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Colorado was desperate for Dion Sanders, Deon Sanders needs a
place like Colorado. Colorado turned over the keys. Deon could
be totally himself and turn Colorado into prime. He had
the keys to the castle. Traditions were out the window.
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You can do whatever you want. He had clauses contractually
where he could keep his merchandise and wear the sunglasses
and do all of the things that make Dion Dion
and allow him to mentor young men at the college level,
which I know he feels like his is his calling.
Go to the NFL and see if you get all
of those Go to the NFL and see if you
can do all of that. Like that's he would be
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so restricted did in the NFL that he couldn't even
I don't think be himself. You know, like Kyle Shanahan
gets reprimanded for wearing the wrong flat bill hat much less,
you know, like Deon, do you think you can wear
your shades out there and all of it? I just
I think Deon Sanders is a great fit at Colorado. Granted,
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I'm a Colorado guy, so I understand that I have
a dog in the in the hunt here in the fight.
But saying that, just think about it for a moment,
and it's like Deon works at Colorado not only because
of Dion, but because of Colorado. You know, you and
I legally can give money to a collective and help
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a progress. That's true. Do you give i'd buy the
long snapper at cal Poly. Some guys are out there
buying Michigan quarterbacks. I'm not getting to That's what I heard,
and controls the ATM. I don't get it. I don't
even get a card. I did hear that. I can't
wait for April when the house settlement actually goes through,
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because then every every team will be more on the
equal footing as far as the revenue that they could
equal footing. Guy, I'm glad you are no equal footing,
so you you would rather just like what you explained
it to me. I like coastal elite. No, I've got it. Yeah,
that's what That's not what it is, No it is.
That's okay, you don't have to explain. We got it,
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you know, No, we got it on this on a
week of Thanksgiving when you're all cozy in your homes
in the middle of the country suffering that cold weather.
Remember Colin Coward thinks San Francisco is cold weather. Yeah,
you know what the first part of that elitist is
coastal elite. I guess I'm elite. Well, Michael Jordan and
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Mahomes wear it. If the shirt fits you call it,
Colin wear it, you know, like, don't. I'm not going
to let you marginalize me as I I'm not trying to.
I'm building you up, you know, as you said yourself.
The first part of elitism is elite. That's right.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
You bet that felt great? It did, didn't it kind
of Joel Klapp, Thanksgiving, good stuff.
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Speaker 1 (27:21):
We were talking about cold Weather, the game tomorrow that
I'm really interested in watching. I mean, there's three games,
but I think it's fascinating to watch Miami and TUA
go up to cold Weather. So the first bet you
made this week was green Bay. I think it's the
strongest bet on the board tomorrow, you know, at three points.
I think green Bay tends to play well at home
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to begin with. It's a short week. I think the
better team at home short week, and Miami's got that
cold weather thing. And Jimmy Johnson, who coached the Dolphins
and the Miami Hurricanes, talks about the Dolphins heading north, both.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
The University of Miami and with the Miami Dolphins, I
hated going into the cold weather. I think the Dolphins
are in a situation right now with their schedule.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
If they could.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Beat green Bay, they had have an outside chance at
a playoff now.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
But they have to win. They have to beat green Bay,
and they're not going to beat green Bay.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
You know, a short week against a good football team
in twenty degree weather.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I don't think that's going to happen. I don't either,
Jimmy also talked about and this is something I've said,
is that one thing we know is true in the NFL,
if you pay a quarterback top of the market and
he's not a top five quarterback. Now, that was Minnesota,
Kirk Cousins, Tua and Miami Dak in Dallas. That's why
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I wouldn't have paid Deck. It's not complicated. I mean,
when Tom Brady was in New England running the league,
he was not the highest paid quarterback. When Drew Brees
decided I'm going to restructure my deal in New Orleans
and make it more team friendly, they won a Super Bowl.
And here is Jimmy Johnson on why Dallas made a
mistake paying huge money to a good, not great quarterback
(29:08):
Dak Prescott.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
First of all, I would have never given Prescott a
new contract. I'd let him play it out, you know,
because he would you know, he's the highest paid player
in the league. He's not the best player in the league,
and he wasn't going to go anywhere. If he had
gone to the Super Bowl with him, hey, he wasn't
going to go anywhere. Pay him whatever, you know, and
if he, you know, struggled in the playoffs, then you negotiate,
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or if he got hurt, you saved money. But they're
so financially strapped right now.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I don't know. I don't know what they do. And
do you want to trade Micah Parsons and get a
second first round pick? Could you get a first and
a third for I mean, they have to get a
running back. There's one great one in the first round.
I would argue they need Arizona Wildcats have a great
receiver team Mac McMillan. I think they could use him opposite.
I mean, if you're got to pay Dak that kind
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of money, you got to make sure Dak succeeds, right Like,
if you're going to pay the quarterback, then you got
to protect him. You got to protect your asset, the
insurance company for the assets, the offensive line. So they
need a top back. They can't afford it. They needed
another top receiver, Well, they can't afford it. They can't
afford t Higgins. So to me, I would try, I
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would move Mica and try to get a first and
a third, and I would take that running back from
Boise State if I could. I would take that receiver
from Arizona and I would give my quarterback Dak Prescott
more weapons. He's proven because last year they attacked the
offensive line. You can win a Super Bowl without a
great defense. I mean we have Baltimore as a team
that can win a Super Bowl. Their defense things because
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their offense is electric. J Max around the Corner with
Herd Line News, Greg Cosel top of Next Hour. Can't
wait for that in a Wednesday.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
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Speaker 3 (31:05):
Thanksgiving Day for Fox as the Seedee Lamb and the
Cowboys take on rookie Sensation Malik Davers and the Giants.
The action kicks off at four Eastern on Fox. I
thought the Cowboys were soft tanking. We're pretty good ouput
against Washington. There's an update on that game. It sounds
like Drew Locke is in line to start. Ooh, I
don't that might be good, except I'm taking Cooper run
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doesn't have either of his tackles. It sounds like he
gets very loose with a football.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Michael Parsons Splash Games.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Dallas is suddenly playing themselves out of a great draft pick. Yeah,
what if Mike McCarthy stays no, are you sure?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I mean you today November twenty seventh. Yeah, I would
be willing to wager McCarthy is not there next year.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I don't know, Tid maybe he want to be there
next year.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Do you want to deal with the circus? They're not good,
they don't have good players.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
People don't walk away from ten million dollar jobs or whatever.
They just don't you sure about that?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Smart people do?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Turns this is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
All right, let's start with your one of your favorite teams,
the Chicago Bears, calling that offense is turn things around.
Sam Waldron that kicked him to the curb, and Thomas
Brown and Caleb Williams they're working magic together. Caleb says,
the offense feels a lot better.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I think Tom on task has been extremely important. You
can't you can ever beat that, being able to have
time on task, and so yeah, I think that has
provided a sense of clarity, a sense of you know,
belief and things like that. Just be decisive and you know,
I have I have an open communication with all the
players and coaches and things like that, and you know
(32:48):
from there we've grown.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I'm very excited. Most four and seven teams aren't interesting.
The Bears are good. Watch got some big decisions to make,
but I like them.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
So we got two games of data on tape of
Brown and Caleb. All Right.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I think Aaron Glenn's cooking.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Up some stuff.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Oh, I see what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That caught the Packers off guard and the Vikings weren't ready.
Lion's gonna be ready tomorrow. Is this a Thanksgiving beatdown?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I have a feeling I like Detroit minus.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
The point I saw stet Goff and Campbell have lost
all their Thanksgiving games.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
To me, Now, remember last year golf was awful.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Three fumbles, one.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Was the scoop and score.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Green Bay went in there and worked them last year.
Was that was that Jordan loves coming out?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
That was if the Lions are gonna everybody's gonna finally
buy in that this is a super Bowl team like
we have.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
The Lions have never done anything in fifty years.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
How big it will win for the Bears. With this
being maybe this would be the coming out party for
Caleb Williams, like Jordan loved last year. Oh, he can
make plays. What's spicy?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I don't know?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Uh over under what's the team total on the Lions
forty one?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
They're gonna score a lot.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
But would not shock me if there was a letdown
from Detroit, because now it's like everybody like, were you
the one that said it yesterday?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I didn't think they played very well against the Colts.
Didn't so you and I both had the Colts last
week plus seven and a half, and they on the
road against the decent team, didn't play well and won comfortably.
Maybe they're just that good.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I want to see us smash forty thirteen.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Okay, they've been beat in Chicago forty two thirteen. No,
Chicago's gonna put some points up.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Okay, all right, let's move to the next story, and
that's the Cincinnati Bungles. What a weird season it's been.
The only constant has been Joe Burrow cooking all season.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Pittsburgh head coach.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Mike Tomlin, he's taking notice.
Speaker 8 (34:40):
If you look at the tape, man, he's he's he's
MVP caliber in terms of what he's doing for them.
I started first with the two Baltimore games because of
the intimacy of divisional play man. I don't know how
many touchdowns he threw in those two football games. I
know Chase himself had five. It's just kind of reflect
active of what he and they are capable of.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's Burrow. I still
think on a third down he and Mahomes are in
a different class and even from the guys I like.
But it's kind of crazy that a losing team would
be a field goal favorite over a Pittsburgh team that's
much more well rounded, a super Bowl winning coach. We
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don't know if we love Cincinnati's coach. We don't like
their defense, we don't like their owner. They don't really
have an elite front office. That's kind of the feeling
around the league. I was just talking to a gem
about is the other day the Bengals, and yet they're
a favorite. Doesn't that feel like Pittsburgh's.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Aside, well, this is the season for Cincinnati. Now that's
obviously baked in here.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
But when Pittsburgh's gotta have extra arrest because they play,
didn't they play on a Thursday?
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Yeah, they got extra rest.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
It's weird.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
If you want to get.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Really exotic, you could do something about like Bengals win
the AFC. You could bet that because you're gonna get
a great price.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
But they got to win this game. If they lose,
just tear it up.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
But the interesting one, Colin, is the Pittsburgh Steelers. Where
do they go from here? Is the panic button pushed
if they lose in Cincinnati? I don't know if we
can call up the schedule for the Steelers. It is
the toughest in the league in December and January here
it is.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, it's brutal.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
So I know people will scoff at the Browns, but
it's that division they're gonna be.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
It's gonna be a dogfight.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
And then it's the Eagles, who are arguably the second
or third best team in the league. The Ravens, we
know that's gonna be a comeback, a revenge game for Baltimore,
Kansas City probably trying to lock up the number one seed,
and then the Bengals trying to get in. There's a
world where the Steelers if they lose this, Colin, they
lose out. They don't win another game this season.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Are you buying that? Is that is that in play?
Could the Steelers miss the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
No? No, Pittsburgh's gonna beat Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I just weekend.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Huh yeah, Cincinnati is not a big home field head
on that stadium will be fifty percent Steeler fans. That's
not a big home field advantage. And by the way,
Russell Wilson's not incompetent.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
You think Bengals are selling their tickets to Steelers fit?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I don't know. I think they're no showing. I think
Pittsburgh people are.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Gonna they're bailing on the season.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
No, it's gonna be cold weather. Why go on to
Do you.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Want to do a Christmas present on this? I'll the
winner has to get the other a Christmas present. Okay,
I'll take Bengals.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I'll get you a razor. I agree yesterday.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Final story is the Kansas City Chiefs. How about this
Isaiah Pacheco. There he is, Ladies and gentlemen, he's back.
The tough, hard nosed running back has been out since
weeks two with a fractured fibula, and he's expected to
play against the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Now I have him in fantasy football.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I love watching him go. He's kind of like a
pint size Derrick Henry. He loves contact, He's tough, as hell.
I think it's a huge get back. I know Kareem
Hunt's been fine, but he's not explosive. No, this is
this offense now.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I got Worthy over the top, Pachecko was back, Noah
Gray's a second excellent tight end, Hopkins is new. Yeah.
Like I'm just gonna tell you right now, it's not
fully formed yet. That's gonna be a top five or
six offense in about two weeks. It's not fully formed yet.
They still can't They still don't quite know what to
do with Worthy. Noah Gray, though, has emerged, but Checko's
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obviously a stud.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Do you the Schusters back now?
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I think I think Kansas City's gonna face Detroit in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
So when you look online, you see all these people
talking trends which aren't predictive, by the way, and everybody says, oh,
mahomes can't cover double digit spreads.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Uh, just be careful here if you want the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
I know it's a divisional matchup at thirteen is a
big number, but at some point the Chiefs are emer
Like the last couple of games, the offense is starting
to click. The defense Rares terror bo Nicks shredded them
last week pretty much do whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Mahomes, you I like case here.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Didn't you like him last week when they were a
big favorite?
Speaker 4 (38:53):
I might have fin that was last week.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
All right, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping
the herd line.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Dude, don't always get we never get Jimmy Johnson in studio.
Today we got him Joel Clatton a Wednesday we love.
We get Greg co Sell today. So if you if
you bet football, you'll love fantasy football. You just want
to get smarter at football. Greg co Sell is great
fifteen minutes where he breaks down the game, totally objective,
(39:23):
so he's coming up. Plus j Max got his picks,
so there's nothing bad. This is just this is a
really good Wednesday show. We'll put it on the podcast.
We'll put some of the guests on there. So we
got good stuff today and I'm all fired up. I
will say I'm not doing Blazing five this week. I
don't do it on Thanksgiving after last week I stunk,
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So nobody deserves more of my picks. But you will
have your picks today. And I kind of know I
kind of have a feeling. There's a there's a couple.
There's a couple on the board I really like there's
a you know, and I'll say this, I like Pittsburgh
plus the points. I like that one
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, here we go. It's hour two and a Wednesday.
Thanksgivings tomorrow. Thanks to Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Fame coach,
for stopping by Joel Klatz coming up next final hour,
Greg co Sal usually do Thursdays. We're doing Wednesday because
the staff, the team is off Thursday and Friday. This
is about the fifty to fifties, you know, the midfield
for the football season. Maybe a little bit encroaching into
(00:46):
the other team's territory. So Jmac, who had major facial
hair yesterday, looks like a ninth grader. He's back to
looking like a young man. So somebody gave you heat
at home?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
No, No, nobody at home, but just some people were
not huge fans of it.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
But it's funny.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I was just talking to the hair and makeup people.
I couldn't grow facial hair in high school?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Could you?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Were you able to have like a mustache or a
go to year?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
No? I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
So now that I can, I just do wacky stuff whenever.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Just why not?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Why not push the envelope, make people uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I've been doing that.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I was uncomfortable. So I do think a fascinating game
in the NFL tomorrow is Miami at Green Bay. And
you know Tua has not been a great cold weather quarterback.
And it's funny. I think weather and climate plays a
much bigger factor in sports than anybody wants to admit.
Who was the leading metal winning country in the twenty
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twenty two Winter Olympics, Norway. It's amazing when you're a
proximity to mountain ranges, they're not nearly as good in
the Snumber Games. I don't know what it is. We'll
do a deep dive on journalism there, but it's just
the reality of it. If you go look at September
records in the NFL Denver since two thousand, home September
games been a lot of average Bronco teams. Third winning
(01:59):
is record at home home in September. Why you come
out of camp. You go play high altitudes, play at
eight thousand feet or whatever. It is, all of a sudden,
you're gasping for air in the fourth quarter. And by
the way, every single since they introduced beach volleyball in college,
USC and UCLA have won every national championship. Climate matters,
Proximity to mountains matter. Green Bay is a very good
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cold weather team. In Miami's terrible. If you go look
at Tua, I mean, in fact, look at this, think
about the dynasties in the NFL. They go through cold weather.
The dynasty since Vince Lombardi, Green Bay, New England Steelers
Chiefs all cold weather, and then Dallas and San Francisco. Well, Dallas,
ice storms happened regularly in the winter. In Dallas. Dallas
(02:42):
gets snow. We've watched games our entire live Thanksgiving Super Bowls.
It gets snowy in cold in Dallas and San Francisco.
As Mark Twain said, the coldest winter I ever spent
was my summer in San Francisco. So San Francisco's not
a warm weather market. So the NFL goes through cold weather.
Not a lot of dome teams win in Super Bowls.
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No dynasties the warm weather teams. I mean, even when
Miami had Marino and Shula, even when the Chargers had
Fouts and Airic Coriel, they couldn't create a dynasty, even
though they were the great offensive teams of their time.
Here is Mike McDaniel's, the coach of the Dolphins, on
going to Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
How do those narratives about Dolphus not being able to
play in the cold make you specifically feel.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
You know, I was just gonna carry ice cubes in
my pockets and throw them at players all week. Yeah,
I think everybody. Jimmy Johnson just said it. To go
up on a short week to play in Green Bay
in the twenty five degrees, it's different. It will look
different and feel different. Tua grew up in Hawaii, played
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at a high school football power. Then he goes to
the SEC It's Alabama, mostly warm games, and then he
goes to the Miami Dolphins. He just does not have
a ton of experience, and it just so happens. In
the NFL right now, teams are Detroit, Philly, Baltimore, Kansas City, Buffalo.
So if you're gonna win a Super Bowl, you know,
maybe you get lucky. But it seems to me, you
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know you're gonna have to go play in nine degrees
a couple of different times if you're Miami and their
only way in this year as a wildcard team. So
I really like the Dolphins a lot, but you're not
hoisting a trophy. It just whether in climate matter than
more people think. Now, let's bring on the voice of
college football at Fox Sports, Joel Colt, who is doing
Michigan at number two Ohio State sub Dude, how you doing?
(04:33):
Happy Thanksgiving? Happy Thanksgiving to you? So I don't get
too worked up on the twelve team PLAYFF ago two
weeks ago. Okay the rankings you mean? Yeah? Okay, I
mean Notre Dame going to USC. They haven't played a
ranked team since September. All SC games are all SC
games look the exact same. Now, usc is is not
(04:54):
nearly built in the fashion to compete with Notre Dame.
You get to get you terrible matchup for USC. What
about what a terrible Texas Texas A and M. A
bad matchup for Texas A and M. So let's go
over both of them. USC You've got to be tough
in the trenches because with Jeremiah Love in this run game,
including Riley Leonard, who can run the football a little bit.
(05:15):
For Notre Dame, you've got to be great stop in
the run, which means you've got to have a great
defensive line. That's exactly where USC is thin right now.
If they want to win, they would want to get
you in space, and they want to just say like, okay,
let's let's equate talent on the outside, and then they've
they've got some weapons. But if you take them into
a phone booth and you say like, hey, let's go
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play a trenches game, they're not built for that right now. Now.
Maybe they will be through recruiting and development and things
in the future, but not right now. So USC they're
not built to beat this Notre Dame team, even at home.
Even at home. Meanwhile, in that Texas Texas A and
M game, it's similar in the sense that A and
M has to be able to run the ball because
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they don't throw it well. They have a freshman quarterback
who's getting back, he's getting better. But when they don't
have Le'Veon Moss on the field, they run the ball
for under four yards of carry. Last week against Auburn,
and they can't throw it very well. So it's like, okay,
well wait, so you mean to tell me your offense
is stagnated because your running back is out and now
you've got to face Texas, which has a great pass
defense with Jahda Barron, who's a Thorpe Award finalist, Makuba
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who transferred in from Clemson. I just don't see how
A and m is able to score a lot of
points against this Texas defense that, frankly is one of
the better defenses in all of college football. I feel
the same way with Michigan. If you're gonna beat Ohio State,
you gotta have to score. Oregon did it, Indiana tried.
I don't think Michigan has the firepower, do they? Yeah,
(06:39):
you know they finally had it last week. Do you
see they scored fifty against Northwestern. Now, granted, that's Northwestern,
so I'm not saying that all of a sudden their
offense has arrived, but their offense is better now than
it was early in the season. But I agree with you,
I just I don't get the sense. Here's the thing
about Ohio State. So Ohio State just has answers. Whatever
(07:01):
type of game you want to drag them into They
probably feel like they can win that game, and that's
not the case with every team. They feel like they
could probably go win a talent equated game just throwing
the ball with their wide receivers and Will Howard. They
probably feel like with their run game, even with the
banged up offensive line. But when you have Trevon Henderson
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and Quinshaw Judkins, you feel like you can go win
a running game like they did with Penn State, and
they finished the game on the field, grinding out downs
in a four minute offense. They feel like they can
go out there and win a defensive oriented game. They're
the number one rank defense both total and scoring defense
in the country. They've done it both rushing the passer
and sitting back and playing zone. So like all of
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a sudden, you look at this team and there's an
incredible amount of balance and answers. Regardless of what you
ask of them, they can at least provide an answer.
And I think that's a big credit to Ryan Day
in the way that he built this roster and this team.
But Michigan doesn't have that this year. They did last
year and they had answers against Penn State but now,
(08:06):
you know, without JJ McCarthy, it's like, what are you
on third down? You know, like JJ McCarthy, the reason
he was a top ten pick is because of what
he did on third down. He was the number one
quarterback in the country on third down. He kept him
on the field, He protected the defense, he won the
time possession. Those extra first first downs turned into great
field position. And now when you don't have that, it's like, Okay,
(08:26):
now the defense is more exposed. You don't have the
field position and you're not getting the ball down the field.
So Michigan's going to have to pull a bit of
a rabbit out of their hat in this one, and
they're going to have to do so in the same
physical fashion that they did the previous three iterations of
this when they won the game. You know, speaking of
cold weather, you were talking about cold weather supposed to
be like mid twenties and windy, so it could be
(08:47):
a game in which you got to run the football
fifty times. Do you trust Michigan's offensive line this year
to run the ball fifty times against Ohio State? No,
that's not. They're D Line's great, D Line's great. Two
Top twelve draft picks on the D line in a
great corner Will Johnson. I know, and it's been a bummer.
Will Johnson has been out basically the back half of
the year, so they've had to move their nickel Zeke
(09:08):
Berry out of the outside and he plays corner. I
hope Will is healthy and gets healthy because he's a
terrific player. So I was a little reality check for
SEC fanboy yesterday on the show. I said, you know,
when you stole Texas and Oklahoma from the Big Twelve,
You're like, that's what we do. The downside is Alabama
(09:30):
now doesn't get the Middle Tennessee state. They had to
go to Norman and they got humiliated. Yeah, and I
don't have any sympathy for well, we play a tougher schedule. Well,
I mean, dude, sorry, I just I bristled, because like,
they don't play nine conference games, they play eight. Oregon
had to play eight consecutive weeks of Big Ten play.
(09:52):
No SEC comes team comes close to that. Now. Now,
I'm not saying that Georgia's schedule has been easy or
Alabama's schedule has and easy. The top of the SEC
is terrific, it really is. The problem is is that
you lose me and you lose the benefit of the
doubt when you start losing to five loss Oklahoma and
seven loss it was Kentucky. It wasn't that Alabama lost
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in Oklahoma. They got smashed. They weren't competitive. Correct, absolutely correct,
And that's a problem. And that's a problem. And now
people are like, well, what's the path for Alabama and
the playoff? No path? I mean, I know the committee
kind of can't let no. You can't let baman. I
don't think so you can't let baman. I don't think
that is over. It's over with some chaos. I think
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they would get consideration. I'll let you lose to a
big dog, and I'll give you a mulligan. Vandy was
the mulligan. Sure you don't get a second mulligan with
a twelve team playoffs. No, I I listen, I agree
with you. I mean, you lost a tough game at Tennessee,
and that's a good game. I'll give you that the
really good team, and I'll give you and Vandy on
the road. You're like, Okay, there's your mulligan, and he's
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pretty good. This year. You cannot go to oh you
by the way, and They're previous six games against the FBS.
FBS they were one and five. Yeah, and they got
their doors blown off, you know, So like that, that's
my frustration with all this, and then and then to
see them sitting there at thirteen. Now, like the committee,
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the Committee has such a clear bias towards the SEC
and have forever, which is like, I know that that's
kind of baked in, but it's real. Meanwhile, Indiana gets
ranked behind SMU. Indiana's got a tougher strength of schedule.
Their loss was to the number one, number one defense
in the country in Ohio State on the road. Meanwhile
SMU lost to BYU. They've got like a five point
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win over Nevada, Like, come on, like, what are we doing?
The college football playoff system is just so flawed, And
at the heart of the flaw is this committee that
like the Committee has has no rationale for the things
that they do. They take the path of least resistance
generally speaking, even though they didn't do that last year,
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and they give us these rankings like, you cannot tell
me that Indiana should be ranked behind SMU. That's not
a thing. Yeah, the I will say this about Indiana,
is it didn't bother me. When Will Howard did the
sig thing for Kurt Signetty, you know the coach. I
thought Indiana came in a little hot, a little cocky
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for my taste. Yeah, I am a man of a
humble servant to American listeners. Clearly I didn't like their attitude.
They were a little much for me. And I think
Ohio State said you're Indiana, kill pill good season. There's
no doubt that the approach that Kurt Signetti has taken
very aggressive. It's been very aggressive. Yeah, and I want
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to touch on both sides of this. If if, if
you don't mind, But there's no doubt that there was
a lot of folks at Ohio State that were like,
come get some Yeah, like let's go. This is a
big this is where, this is where we live. Yeah,
you know you've been dreaming of getting here and you
think you're breathing this rarefied air. No, no, no, we
live this three hundred and sixty five days year. And
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there was definitely that feeling. Now, having said that, if
you're Kurt Signetti and you take the job at Indiana
and you go there and you walk around the campus
and you walk around the building, and you get this
sense that like, hey, everyone's just excited for like nothing.
There's no energy towards success. It's always like, well, how
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are you going to do it here? You really think
you can win here? And to him, so he wants
to build something, He's like, I have to rattle the
cage here. And while he's rattling the cage at Indiana
trying to communicate this like, hey, guess what, produce sucks
and Michigan does too, and Ohio State does too, and
he's saying all these outlandish things, you have to understand
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he's not doing that to try to communicate to Purdue
or to Michigan or to Ohio State or any other
fan base. He's doing that for his own fan base
and for his own program. And he and I have
talked about that. He's like, listen, I would have handled
this a lot differently if this was a different place.
But I had to rattle the cage hard here at
Indiana to try to shake loose some sort of belief
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that we could actually do this and we could do
it in a quick fashion. Barry Alvarez did that, you know,
thirty forty years ago. It Wisconsin. Is that you ever
hear the story about Barry Alvarez. So he came into
Wisconsin and everybody said, oh boy, our facilities, who need
an upgrade? He goes, I love them. Yeah, be proud
of these facilities at Wisconsin. These are great facilities. We're
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not changing the damn thing. Great Camp Randall's great. And
by the way, Dion did that at Colorado. He did
when he got the job at Colorado, everyone was there like, well,
how are you going to recruit in the middle of
the country, and oh, man, Colorado has been down and
destitute for two decades, Like why are you doing? Why
did you take that job? And he came in and
he was like, look at this place, Look at this place.
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This place is great, you know, and he immediately built
it up to something that maybe the people that were
there didn't even see. And that's what Signetti was doing.
And Dion drew a lot of iron for that early
last year in his first year, and now Signetty has
has drawn a lot of iron for that in his
first year in Indiana. I know that you're cozy with
some of these big name coaches, so I'm gonna put
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you in a tough spot. Okay, Oh, Okay, so I said,
let's hear it. So Ohio State and Ryan Day's in
a weird spot. Everybody's like, he's gotta beat Michigan. The
problem is when he does, you're not gonna get any credit. Yeah,
you're like, oh, they'd be a hardball's gun. And then
he beats Oregon, You'll be like, we got better players
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and they already beat us, so revenge his heart. He
won't get any credit for that, even though Oregon may
be the best team in the country. It's weird if
he beats Michigan and Oregon, and beating Oregon anywhere is hard.
And then he goes and plays Tennessee and he loses
his first game when they spent twenty million, people gonna
be like, oh, they'll be all over him. Well, only
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team in this tournament there is only one result. They'll
be allowed to lose in overtime to Texas and the Natty.
Maybe maybe maybe, Ohio State's the only team with the coach.
Many will subscribe do we got the wrong coach? Unless
he gets to the new I listen. I agree with this,
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and Ryan is a ridiculously successful coach. His record the
timeout his record is sixty six and nine. It's wild.
It's wild. He's got the highest winning percentage of any
coach with over sixty games, and he has remade this
program and built it into something that has answers like
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this is a different team this year than they've had
over the last three years. And by the way, so
him stepping away from play calling duties, that was a
huge step for him because he's one of the elite
play callers in college football. So he Kippen struggle with
that he steps away from play calling duties, but look
what it has provided them. Look at this calling. Check
this out. So this year, you go into this year
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with Chip Kelly call in the offensive plays and Jymnles
on the defensive side, and they're going through the year
and everything's hunky Dori, and then bam, you lose at Oregon.
And now again this s guy is falling because at
Ohio State, you can't have one bad day, you can't
have one bad court. He didn't even have a bad day. No,
you know, they get a flag thrown and was it right?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Was it right?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I don't know. They lose the game by a point
at Oregon, and the sky is falling because it's Ohio State,
and you can't lose a game at Ohio State. But
what did he do? Because he made the decision to
be a CEO, he was able to go in and
look in at the defense and say, what do we
need to change in this defense? He was able to
do that with his offense and like, what do we
need to do with the offensive line lineup in order
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to make us better? So now when you look at
their team from the Oregon loss on defense, they've changed
a little bit and evolved. The previous three years, his
team was never able to evolve because he was so
integrated in the offensive side. So the defense never got
extra eyes on them. The offense never got extra eyes
on them. Now he's a true CEO and so Chip
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gets extra eyes on the offense. What can we do
in the run game? What should we do with the
offensive line? Jim Knowles gets extra eyes on the defense?
What should we do with the pass rush? Why did
we not get to Dylan Gabriel? But now we're getting
to Curtis Rourke because they changed and evolved. Rather than
a straight four man rush, they started to bring the
extra man in a blitz. They started to slant, They
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started to stunt. They started to do these things that
has allowed them to have success, and that only happens
if he evolved as a coach himself, stepped away from
play calling duties and became more of a CEO. It's
not a story that's often told, but like, that's what
you need to do. By the way, guys that call
their own plays don't win the national championship. Yeah, you
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gotta give it up. The last guy I think was
Jimbo for Florida State. It just doesn't happen. Yeah, And
so you're right about the standard and him going into this.
And then the last point that I would make this
playoff format and we should be, Yeah, we should be.
I like it. I get it, But I don't need
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another Bowl game in Shreveport. I like it. No, that's fine.
I'm not saying that the playoff in general. I'm just
think about the format though. When you give the top
four seeds just to conference champions, that means that the
four seed is likely going to be the tenth or
eleventh best team in the country. True, which means that
there is actually a cleaner path for the five seed
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than there is the one seed, which means if you're
in the Big Ten Championship game, do you want to
win it? Or do you want to lose it? Because
the five seed in this case plays a home game
against Arizona State and then a second round game against
Boise the one seed, what do you get for winning
the Big Ten Championship? Possibly Georgia as your first playoff game?
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So what would you rather? You answer this, what would
you rather do? Play two games one against Arizona State,
one against Boise, or one neutral site game against Georgia. Yeah,
it's not perfect. It's better than what we had, but
it's not perfect. I mean they should recede after the
first round. I mean it's so obviously. What's wrong with that.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I mean it's a good idea. They're not doing that.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Though, well I know they're not. I'm just saying that
they should. Yeah, don't we receive in the NFL? Doesn't
the Crickets the number one? The number one say if
you get the buy yeah yeah, yeah? They do you
play the worst remaining team? Yeah? Yeah, Well that's absolutely
if we want to honor the regular season. But again,
we have the same people. It's the same individuals that
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gave us like the Bull Coalition and then the Alliance,
and then the BCS and then the original playoff and
now this twelve team playoff and it's like they've never
gotten it right. Why did we allow the same people
to build this? The format's wrong. I don't disagree with
you now again. And to ask an uncomfortable question on
Thanksgiving week? How do we view Dion Sanders credit? He
(20:59):
acknowledged we would we were buying our own media. Yeah,
they never Kansas. Kansas, by the way, as well coached.
So give the give the Jayhawks credit. They have a
football program now that's redeemable and they didn't forever. But
let's be honest. How do we look at Colorado? Are
they just interesting? And we'll leave it at that. They're
not great, they're not, but they're an interesting part of
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the sport and that's just what they're going to be.
You think he stays there for sure? Are you sure? No?
I'm not sure. Thank you. He told me he was well,
But I mean with coaches like I don't, I don't know.
I mean I bumped your segment two weeks ago, but yeah,
you never know. Loyalty is a hard thing. That's right.
You did, you did. There was a lot of questions
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in there. How do I view this even if they
don't go to the Big twel Championship, Like if they
beat Oklahoma State but don't get into the Big twelve GI,
I just think they're a great new fun story in
college football. They're not elite, they're they're fun, They're new.
I like them. Colorado has fundamentally changed college football? What
do you mean by that? They provided a blueprint for
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how to quickly turn around an organization in a program
with im that was totally dormant, and so Indiana used
that with twenty seven transfers, and so now in college football,
not only is there an expanded playoff and there's an
expanded avenue towards the playoff, but but you've also got
different ways that you can go and actually be successful.
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Dion showed to the rest of the country that with
some charisma and investment, you can go out there and
find requisite players at the lower levels of football and
bring them in and win right away, and in a
short two year span they're going to be an eight
or nine win team, possibly play for a Big twelve
title that was never afforded. A team that was one
and eleven. It was a three four to five year
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process for a one and eleven team to actually change.
So then all of a sudden, Indiana's like, well, hey,
we can do that. Let's go get a guy like
Kirk Signetti and bring him up from the lower levels
and he brings all of his JM. You guys, Colorado
laid the blueprint for what Indiana is doing this year,
and more teams are going to follow it. More teams
will do this, and that's good for the sport because
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what we've had is like a cycle of elitism where
the same five and six teams win every single year.
Why because they get the best players. It's not like
the NFL. Well, the worst team gets the best player. Here,
the best team gets the big best player. Because they
had this monopoly over the avenue to success, that's no
longer the case. And part of that avenue was paved
(23:31):
by Dion Sanders. So he has fundamentally changed college football forever.
You said two weeks ago you would not be bitter
if he went to the NFL. You would appreciate what
he delivered, and I agree with that. But today shadu
Or goes number one, there's about seven teams going to
replace their coach, Are you a fifty to fifty stay
or go? What do you think? What's your gut feeling.
(23:53):
I think it would be really hard for him to
turn down the New York Giants or the Dallas Cowboys,
those brands. Now Here's what I will say, though, is
that and I've made this this it's not really an argument.
I've made this point before, and I think that it
remains truer today than ever. Which is as much as
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Colorado was desperate for Dion Sanders, Deon Sanders needs a
place like Colorado. Colorado turned over the keys. Deon could
be totally himself and turn Colorado into prime. He had
the keys to the castle. Traditions were out the window.
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You can do whatever you want. He had clauses contractually
where he could keep his merchandise and wear the sunglasses
and do all of the things that make Dion Dion
and allow him to mentor young men at the college level,
which I know he feels like his is his calling.
Go to the NFL and see if you get all
of those Go to the NFL and see if you
can do all of that. Like that's he would be
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so restricted did in the NFL that he couldn't even
I don't think be himself. You know, like Kyle Shanahan
gets reprimanded for wearing the wrong flat bill hat much less,
you know, like Deon, do you think you can wear
your shades out there and all of it? I just
I think Deon Sanders is a great fit at Colorado. Granted,
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I'm a Colorado guy, so I understand that I have
a dog in the in the hunt here in the fight.
But saying that, just think about it for a moment,
and it's like Deon works at Colorado not only because
of Dion, but because of Colorado. You know, you and
I legally can give money to a collective and help
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a progress. That's true. Do you give i'd buy the
long snapper at cal Poly. Some guys are out there
buying Michigan quarterbacks. I'm not getting to That's what I heard,
and controls the ATM. I don't get it. I don't
even get a card. I did hear that. I can't
wait for April when the house settlement actually goes through,
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because then every every team will be more on the
equal footing as far as the revenue that they could
equal footing. Guy, I'm glad you are no equal footing,
so you you would rather just like what you explained
it to me. I like coastal elite. No, I've got it. Yeah,
that's what That's not what it is, No it is.
That's okay, you don't have to explain. We got it,
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you know, No, we got it on this on a
week of Thanksgiving when you're all cozy in your homes
in the middle of the country suffering that cold weather.
Remember Colin Coward thinks San Francisco is cold weather. Yeah,
you know what the first part of that elitist is
coastal elite. I guess I'm elite. Well, Michael Jordan and
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Mahomes wear it. If the shirt fits you call it,
Colin wear it, you know, like, don't. I'm not going
to let you marginalize me as I I'm not trying to.
I'm building you up, you know, as you said yourself.
The first part of elitism is elite. That's right.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
You bet that felt great? It did, didn't it kind
of Joel Klapp, Thanksgiving, good stuff.
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Speaker 1 (27:21):
We were talking about cold Weather, the game tomorrow that
I'm really interested in watching. I mean, there's three games,
but I think it's fascinating to watch Miami and TUA
go up to cold Weather. So the first bet you
made this week was green Bay. I think it's the
strongest bet on the board tomorrow, you know, at three points.
I think green Bay tends to play well at home
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to begin with. It's a short week. I think the
better team at home short week, and Miami's got that
cold weather thing. And Jimmy Johnson, who coached the Dolphins
and the Miami Hurricanes, talks about the Dolphins heading north, both.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
The University of Miami and with the Miami Dolphins, I
hated going into the cold weather. I think the Dolphins
are in a situation right now with their schedule.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
If they could.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Beat green Bay, they had have an outside chance at
a playoff now.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
But they have to win. They have to beat green Bay,
and they're not going to beat green Bay.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
You know, a short week against a good football team
in twenty degree weather.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I don't think that's going to happen. I don't either,
Jimmy also talked about and this is something I've said,
is that one thing we know is true in the NFL,
if you pay a quarterback top of the market and
he's not a top five quarterback. Now, that was Minnesota,
Kirk Cousins, Tua and Miami Dak in Dallas. That's why
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I wouldn't have paid Deck. It's not complicated. I mean,
when Tom Brady was in New England running the league,
he was not the highest paid quarterback. When Drew Brees
decided I'm going to restructure my deal in New Orleans
and make it more team friendly, they won a Super Bowl.
And here is Jimmy Johnson on why Dallas made a
mistake paying huge money to a good, not great quarterback
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Dak Prescott.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
First of all, I would have never given Prescott a
new contract. I'd let him play it out, you know,
because he would you know, he's the highest paid player
in the league. He's not the best player in the league,
and he wasn't going to go anywhere. If he had
gone to the Super Bowl with him, hey, he wasn't
going to go anywhere. Pay him whatever, you know, and
if he, you know, struggled in the playoffs, then you negotiate,
(29:31):
or if he got hurt, you saved money. But they're
so financially strapped right now.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I don't know. I don't know what they do. And
do you want to trade Micah Parsons and get a
second first round pick? Could you get a first and
a third for I mean, they have to get a
running back. There's one great one in the first round.
I would argue they need Arizona Wildcats have a great
receiver team Mac McMillan. I think they could use him opposite.
I mean, if you're got to pay Dak that kind
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of money, you got to make sure Dak succeeds, right Like,
if you're going to pay the quarterback, then you got
to protect him. You got to protect your asset, the
insurance company for the assets, the offensive line. So they
need a top back. They can't afford it. They needed
another top receiver, Well, they can't afford it. They can't
afford t Higgins. So to me, I would try, I
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would move Mica and try to get a first and
a third, and I would take that running back from
Boise State if I could. I would take that receiver
from Arizona and I would give my quarterback Dak Prescott
more weapons. He's proven because last year they attacked the
offensive line. You can win a Super Bowl without a
great defense. I mean we have Baltimore as a team
that can win a Super Bowl. Their defense things because
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their offense is electric. J Max around the Corner with
Herd Line News, Greg Cosel top of Next Hour. Can't
wait for that in a Wednesday.
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Speaker 3 (31:05):
Thanksgiving Day for Fox as the Seedee Lamb and the
Cowboys take on rookie Sensation Malik Davers and the Giants.
The action kicks off at four Eastern on Fox. I
thought the Cowboys were soft tanking. We're pretty good ouput
against Washington. There's an update on that game. It sounds
like Drew Locke is in line to start. Ooh, I
don't that might be good, except I'm taking Cooper run
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doesn't have either of his tackles. It sounds like he
gets very loose with a football.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Michael Parsons Splash Games.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Dallas is suddenly playing themselves out of a great draft pick. Yeah,
what if Mike McCarthy stays no, are you sure?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I mean you today November twenty seventh. Yeah, I would
be willing to wager McCarthy is not there next year.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I don't know, Tid maybe he want to be there
next year.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Do you want to deal with the circus? They're not good,
they don't have good players.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
People don't walk away from ten million dollar jobs or whatever.
They just don't you sure about that?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Smart people do?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Turns this is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
All right, let's start with your one of your favorite teams,
the Chicago Bears, calling that offense is turn things around.
Sam Waldron that kicked him to the curb, and Thomas
Brown and Caleb Williams they're working magic together. Caleb says,
the offense feels a lot better.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I think Tom on task has been extremely important. You
can't you can ever beat that, being able to have
time on task, and so yeah, I think that has
provided a sense of clarity, a sense of you know,
belief and things like that. Just be decisive and you know,
I have I have an open communication with all the
players and coaches and things like that, and you know
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from there we've grown.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I'm very excited. Most four and seven teams aren't interesting.
The Bears are good. Watch got some big decisions to make,
but I like them.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
So we got two games of data on tape of
Brown and Caleb. All Right.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I think Aaron Glenn's cooking.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Up some stuff.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Oh, I see what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That caught the Packers off guard and the Vikings weren't ready.
Lion's gonna be ready tomorrow. Is this a Thanksgiving beatdown?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I have a feeling I like Detroit minus.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
The point I saw stet Goff and Campbell have lost
all their Thanksgiving games.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
To me, Now, remember last year golf was awful.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Three fumbles, one.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Was the scoop and score.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Green Bay went in there and worked them last year.
Was that was that Jordan loves coming out?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
That was if the Lions are gonna everybody's gonna finally
buy in that this is a super Bowl team like
we have.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
The Lions have never done anything in fifty years.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
How big it will win for the Bears. With this
being maybe this would be the coming out party for
Caleb Williams, like Jordan loved last year. Oh, he can
make plays. What's spicy?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I don't know?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Uh over under what's the team total on the Lions
forty one?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
They're gonna score a lot.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
But would not shock me if there was a letdown
from Detroit, because now it's like everybody like, were you
the one that said it yesterday?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I didn't think they played very well against the Colts.
Didn't so you and I both had the Colts last
week plus seven and a half, and they on the
road against the decent team, didn't play well and won comfortably.
Maybe they're just that good.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I want to see us smash forty thirteen.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Okay, they've been beat in Chicago forty two thirteen. No,
Chicago's gonna put some points up.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Okay, all right, let's move to the next story, and
that's the Cincinnati Bungles. What a weird season it's been.
The only constant has been Joe Burrow cooking all season.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Pittsburgh head coach.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Mike Tomlin, he's taking notice.
Speaker 8 (34:40):
If you look at the tape, man, he's he's he's
MVP caliber in terms of what he's doing for them.
I started first with the two Baltimore games because of
the intimacy of divisional play man. I don't know how
many touchdowns he threw in those two football games. I
know Chase himself had five. It's just kind of reflect
active of what he and they are capable of.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's Burrow. I still
think on a third down he and Mahomes are in
a different class and even from the guys I like.
But it's kind of crazy that a losing team would
be a field goal favorite over a Pittsburgh team that's
much more well rounded, a super Bowl winning coach. We
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don't know if we love Cincinnati's coach. We don't like
their defense, we don't like their owner. They don't really
have an elite front office. That's kind of the feeling
around the league. I was just talking to a gem
about is the other day the Bengals, and yet they're
a favorite. Doesn't that feel like Pittsburgh's.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Aside, well, this is the season for Cincinnati. Now that's
obviously baked in here.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
But when Pittsburgh's gotta have extra arrest because they play,
didn't they play on a Thursday?
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Yeah, they got extra rest.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
It's weird.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
If you want to get.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Really exotic, you could do something about like Bengals win
the AFC. You could bet that because you're gonna get
a great price.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
But they got to win this game. If they lose,
just tear it up.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
But the interesting one, Colin, is the Pittsburgh Steelers. Where
do they go from here? Is the panic button pushed
if they lose in Cincinnati? I don't know if we
can call up the schedule for the Steelers. It is
the toughest in the league in December and January here
it is.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, it's brutal.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
So I know people will scoff at the Browns, but
it's that division they're gonna be.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
It's gonna be a dogfight.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
And then it's the Eagles, who are arguably the second
or third best team in the league. The Ravens, we
know that's gonna be a comeback, a revenge game for Baltimore,
Kansas City probably trying to lock up the number one seed,
and then the Bengals trying to get in. There's a
world where the Steelers if they lose this, Colin, they
lose out. They don't win another game this season.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Are you buying that? Is that is that in play?
Could the Steelers miss the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
No? No, Pittsburgh's gonna beat Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I just weekend.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Huh yeah, Cincinnati is not a big home field head
on that stadium will be fifty percent Steeler fans. That's
not a big home field advantage. And by the way,
Russell Wilson's not incompetent.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
You think Bengals are selling their tickets to Steelers fit?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I don't know. I think they're no showing. I think
Pittsburgh people are.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Gonna they're bailing on the season.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
No, it's gonna be cold weather. Why go on to
Do you.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Want to do a Christmas present on this? I'll the
winner has to get the other a Christmas present. Okay,
I'll take Bengals.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I'll get you a razor. I agree yesterday.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Final story is the Kansas City Chiefs. How about this
Isaiah Pacheco. There he is, Ladies and gentlemen, he's back.
The tough, hard nosed running back has been out since
weeks two with a fractured fibula, and he's expected to
play against the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Now I have him in fantasy football.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I love watching him go. He's kind of like a
pint size Derrick Henry. He loves contact, He's tough, as hell.
I think it's a huge get back. I know Kareem
Hunt's been fine, but he's not explosive. No, this is
this offense now.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I got Worthy over the top, Pachecko was back, Noah
Gray's a second excellent tight end, Hopkins is new. Yeah.
Like I'm just gonna tell you right now, it's not
fully formed yet. That's gonna be a top five or
six offense in about two weeks. It's not fully formed yet.
They still can't They still don't quite know what to
do with Worthy. Noah Gray, though, has emerged, but Checko's
(38:13):
obviously a stud.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Do you the Schusters back now?
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I think I think Kansas City's gonna face Detroit in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
So when you look online, you see all these people
talking trends which aren't predictive, by the way, and everybody says, oh,
mahomes can't cover double digit spreads.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Uh, just be careful here if you want the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
I know it's a divisional matchup at thirteen is a
big number, but at some point the Chiefs are emer
Like the last couple of games, the offense is starting
to click. The defense Rares terror bo Nicks shredded them
last week pretty much do whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Mahomes, you I like case here.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Didn't you like him last week when they were a
big favorite?
Speaker 4 (38:53):
I might have fin that was last week.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
All right, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping
the herd line.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Dude, don't always get we never get Jimmy Johnson in studio.
Today we got him Joel Clatton a Wednesday we love.
We get Greg co Sell today. So if you if
you bet football, you'll love fantasy football. You just want
to get smarter at football. Greg co Sell is great
fifteen minutes where he breaks down the game, totally objective,
(39:23):
so he's coming up. Plus j Max got his picks,
so there's nothing bad. This is just this is a
really good Wednesday show. We'll put it on the podcast.
We'll put some of the guests on there. So we
got good stuff today and I'm all fired up. I
will say I'm not doing Blazing five this week. I
don't do it on Thanksgiving after last week I stunk,
(39:43):
So nobody deserves more of my picks. But you will
have your picks today. And I kind of know I
kind of have a feeling. There's a there's a couple.
There's a couple on the board I really like there's
a you know, and I'll say this, I like Pittsburgh
plus the points. I like that one
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