October 31, 2024 • 31 mins
Looking at the playoff careers of Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson and what's holding them back
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Guest: Drew Brees
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
All sorts of stuff now. Now, baseball season's over at
college football is just ramping up Ohio State Penn State
this week, and I'll take the Buckeyes in a low
scoring game. We both like the buck guys. I think
it's a low scoring game. NBA's heating up. Jmack with the.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
News turns this is the herdline news.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It's an NFL news.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Colin Derek Carr looks like he's coming back from the
oblique injury.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Expected to start this week.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Things have not gone well without him. They've lost six
in a row, three of them without Car. Here's what
Carr said. He doesn't expect them to save their season.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
I am no savior. There's only been one of those,
and you know that is not me. You know, I
am here to be a great leader and to be
a great teammate and to do my job at best
my body and do I feel confident what I can do? Absolutely?
You know, I feel confident what I can do. I
feel confident and what I can bring to our team.
(01:26):
And that's exciting, right, But you know, to save us
or anything like that, that's not me.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, that's also the savior thing doesn't make any sense.
You have people look at Stafford and Brady. They did
not save the Rams and the Buccaneers. The Buccaneers had
the number three offense in the league with Bruce Arians
and all sorts of great pieces. Brady just cut down
the turnovers and they drafted Tristan Wurse and got Lenny Fournette,
and it's like it's a really good roster. This idea
(01:53):
what Russell Wilson Denver was a savior move, didn't work.
Aaron Rodgers Jet's not a savior move, but just doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Saints seven and a half in Carolina this year.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I'm not touching it. First of all, I don't want
to watch it, so I'm not touching it. You don't
There's a game every weekend, mostly Titans games and Panther games.
I don't want to watch them.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
They're clearly to the two worst teams, like unplayable. You
can't watch them, you can't bet them. It feels like
a body bag game for the Saint.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
There are teams that aren't great, like right now the
Rams record watch not a great team. Rams are fun
to watch. They can beat anybody. There are other teams
out there. Chicago's not a great team, but I like
watching the Bears.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah, all right, let's get to another bad team, the
Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
They've lost four straight. The offense has been putrid.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Colin Vegas ranks twenty sixth in points per game, twenty
ninth in yards, and last in giveaways with their awful
quarterback situation. Antonio Piers though he's sticking with his oc Lugetzi,
it has.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
To get better.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
There's been a lot of opportunities for us to scare
points and make opportunities. And yeah, that's on play call.
But then also, like I told our staff and I
told our players, as all of us, it is not
season is here at this point of the thing that
Luke or myself, But you know the old line play, quarterbacks,
running backs, you know, turnovers, miss uh blots, miss executioners,
don't play as the line is the details. All those
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days have to get cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, play callings overrated, players are underrated. So you know,
you ever notice when you hear about bad play calling,
it usually go hands in hand with mediocre quarterback play.
I mean, Caroline has been complaining about play calling and
Seattle about play calling. Nobody ever talks about the Rams
play calling or I tend. I think play calling execution underrated,
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play calling overrated.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
You know, I said, they keep saying that Jets is
not a good job.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I think the Raiders might be worse. Well, I mean
the numbers speak for themselves. They have no quarterback. I
don't think they have a lot of talent on.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
This team coming.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well, what really hurts that job is you have to
face Andy Reid twice a year, Jim Harbought twice a year,
and Sean Payton twice. That's another good point that is
this this job is a tough job. Whereas if I'm
in the Jets division, I get Mike McDaniel, Is he
the guy? Sean McDermott hasn't won the big games. Gerard Mayo,
we don't know if he'll be there in three years,
(04:11):
So I mean, I I mean Andy, Reid, Harbon and
Payton are three of the top six coaches in the sport.
And you got it. That's six games a year.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Mahomes is not going anywhere. He's still a young guy.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
He's got it at least another Herbert's got another decade. Yeah,
so baul X now has another decade. So I mean,
unless the Raiders get Shador.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Sanders, that's the guy they need.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
None of these other quarter but nothing against cam Ward
or Quinn yourself, Well there is one big time college quarterback,
this trap one.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Well I was thinking along the lines of just popularity and.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
No, but people know who he is.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Like, what's the identity of the Raiders for like the
last I don't know five years, they don't have one.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
There's like, who's the face of the franchise?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Who has it been?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Max Crosby Rosby a defensive end.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well, he's great. I think he's tough. I think he
is the tat's the toughness, the attitude he's are raped.
If you're in Vegas, are you going to games to
watch Crosby? Well, well I'm going to games. Are you gathers?
I mean they play, I mean I get Herbert Mahomes love.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
So you're not going to games for the Raiders. You're
going fine the incoming teams. Again, Shadure would really help
them big time. Now, Kim Warda, I think it's gonna
be better. We'll see, we'd disagree, but.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Somebody is going to mortgage their future on somebody beyond
Shadoor Sanders and blow the franchise up. My take is
right now, the Raiders are in the lead seat with
Carolina to get shaduor Sanders. I would rather see him
go to the Raiders. They have Colton Miller, a left tackle,
Brock Bowers is absolutely great, Jacoby Myers is a top
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number two receiver. They've got an edge rusher. I've been
saying this, The Raiders have some components. Now, do they
have the right coach? We don't know. Quarterback mess but
if you put a Shador Sanders in there, the Raiders line. Okay,
bron Bauers is literally the best tighth end prospect. He
may be the best tightened in the league by next year.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So I get all that.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Yes, if you're Antonio Pearson, you're in the war room
before the draft and they're like, we need Shadoor Antonio Pierce.
Just know the second you draft him, when is deonce
and there's gonna be the head coach.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
All right, whatever the rad I'm not afraid of that.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
If you're Antonio Pierce, you should be very afraid of that.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
They're gonna run you out quick because he already is
not looking good as a coach.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Over to the NBA for the final story. Calm the Lakers.
They got destroyed by Cleveland last night. Keep an eye
on those calves.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
But the story of the night was Lebron James's son, Bronni,
scored his first NBA bucket.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
The game was a blowout.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Midway through the third quarter, Bronni got some buckets, a
nice little step back.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I think he used Lebron's move.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
They were calling it a little not a snatchback, but
it was a nice little handle there, and he talked
about scoring his first NBA bucket pretty much.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Since I picked the ball up. Been watching this guy
for a minute playing the league.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
So uh, you know, just just dreaming of me being
in those players.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So it's not only is, but players that he's playing
against and with. See it was just a you know,
dream come true.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Okay, pretty awesome Bronnie two points to assist a steal
in five minutes.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Guys just making plays out. Okay, I'm joking, but it's exciting. Man.
Come on, he's sitting next to his dad.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Did you see what happened in the final score? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, Lakers got destroyed. What is that a big deal?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Well?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I think I tend to think winning and losing is
kind of a big deal. Like congrats on the baseline jumper,
But I kind of think winning games and losing games
is what I what I care about. Interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
So they start three and oh, you're making jokes about
putting in to the finals, and then they lose it.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
It's like, hey, you gotta win games.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, I mean the whole Brownie thing. I'm happy for
Savannah and Lebron. I think it's a great story. I
don't think I'm I don't care. I'm not an influencer.
I don't care about stuff like that. I care about
JJ Reddick, building a staff, getting adult and connect in
the in Austin Reeves. AD's hell, Lebron.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
They're doing all that. Look at how dismissive you are.
We got to get Redick on the show. By the way, Hey,
he's I love what Reddick's done. It's early, I told you,
but I'm just telling. The last time I saw a
man his hat on backwards. Now it's NBA, so I'm
a little more lenient, but it didn't concern me.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Come on, Reddick, pull up, big guy.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I think he's a good coach.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
I think.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I like when I see a coach and I see
a plan. What are you? Like if I said, Saints,
what are you? You have no idea? When I'm watching
Denver the way they use bow Nick's movement like they
have a plan. When I watch Washington and Jayden Daniels,
I if I can see what you're trying to do,
I'm like, oh, I get what they're doing. Like Denver
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very much in Washington use the athletic ability of the
quarterback to move the pocket. I see the plan when
I watch you, and I'm like, I don't even know
what you're trying to do. Because football is not that complicated.
I should be able to see what you're trying to do. Jmack,
are you done?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Complete?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
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Speaker 1 (09:19):
By the way, Lamar Jackson back and knee not practicing today,
did not practice yesterday, So Lamar Jackson, that could be
a break for Denver, could be a little break. You know,
you were talking about Lamar Jackson in the playoffs, so
it is interesting. So Josh Allen, the perception is Josh
Allen not good in the playoffs, Lamar Jackson not good
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in the playoffs. But if you really look at it,
Josh Allen's been fine in the playoffs. Josh Allen's got
twenty one TV's and four picks and one hundred passer rating.
He's fine. He's not winning enough, but he's fine. Lamar
has really struggled. And what would really concern you is
the passer rating is dipped, so it passed ratings, not
the be all end all, but you start getting below
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like ninety five, you're just not very efficient. And I'm
not blaming anybody, but I think it is fair that
we look at Josh Allen and we look at Lamar
Jackson as playoffs struggling Buffalo just can't beat Kansas City.
Lamar's not beating anybody, and that is the bigger issue.
And I'm, as you know, a fan, and so there
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you go. I will say this. We would talked about
this yesterday about the NFL doesn't really need certain cities
to win. But it is interesting how lucky the NFL
is that. Think about the NBA, it feels like a
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big city league. And look at Major League Baseball, that
feels like a big payroll league. That's what they feel like.
Right in the NFL. The best quarterbacks play for Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore, Cincinnati,
Green Bay. And that's what it looks like to me.
(11:10):
Those are the best quarterbacks. So it's remarkable. In the NBA,
it does feel like there's a handful of teams that
like the big you know, the the you know, New
York and Boston are favored in Philadelphia in the East.
Now Denver is one of the Oklahoma City is a
marvelous story, but it has mostly been San Francisco Bay
Area the Lakers for years. Dallas is a big market team.
(11:32):
It feels like market size matters for payroll in baseball
and for attraction in the NBA. Right now, the big cities.
I mean New York teams are terrible. New York's terrible,
Chicago's been a mess. I mean, Dallas is underachieving. Atlanta, eh,
I mean, if you look at the NFL, the power
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of the NFL, the best quarterbacks are all the tiniest
markets Green Bay, Buffalo, Baltimore City to NATI Kansas City,
and the ratings have never been higher, never been higher.
So and let's be honest, a lot of that's just
that's where the best quarterbacks are. And that's why the
Indianapolis Colts are saying it's nothing against Anthony Richardson, but
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if you look around, market size is irrelevant. In the NFL,
quarterback is everything. And Greg Cosell talked an hour ago,
Anthony Richardson is getting worse. It's not impulsive, Cosell said,
this just doesn't work in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
I think he's really struggling to understand the route concepts
and the read involved in the specific route concepts versus
the specific coverage. So therefore his eyes are not in
the right place. He misses too many routine throws and
it's really really difficult to be successful when you miss
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routine throws. So again, This is a difficult situation. Either
you and or I are in their building. We don't
understand the day to day. But this is not a
bad football team, and given the state of that division
and the state of the AFC, they may believe, as
they should, that they have an opportunity to be in
the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, and I think it comes down again to this.
It's not a developmental league. I mean, if you look
at baseball, once the season starts, there's not a ton
of developing. You get that in the minor leagues. In
the NBA, once the season starts, eighty two games, there's
not a lot of developing. You do that in the
G League you're traveling all the time. In the NFL,
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there's a sense of well, there's only one game a week.
There's a lot of time to develop. No, there's not.
I mean there's limitations on practices, how often you can
wear pads due to the CBA. Once the season starts,
pads are done. There's limitations. You're resting veteran players. It's
not a developmental league. You're better off staying in college
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football for a year, getting the extra reps, getting the
extra time, hopefully with the good coach and most of
the I mean Jayden Daniels had a lot of starts.
Bo Nicks had a lot of starts. I mean Caleb
Williams two full years of starts. Anthony Richardson just did
not start a lot. Shane Steiken's one of the best
offensive coaches. Here's what he said, He goes it's a
difficult thing. My obligation is to the fifty three guys
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in the organization to win games, and right now I'm
focused on the present winning football games. We'll get to
the future when we get to the future. So I
think people are just mistaking that it is the job
of an organization to build for the future. No it's not.
It's a job of the coach in GM to win now.
And so when you draft a guy with thirteen college
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starts because he's wildly talented, okay, that's fine, but he
better be wildly talented and winning by the start of
year two. Last year was the year you're giving him
a runway. The runway used to be three years. They
three to four years. The runways now midway second year.
That's what it is. We'll take a break. Drew Brees
(15:02):
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Speaker 2 (15:04):
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Speaker 8 (15:19):
But I just.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
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Speaker 1 (15:25):
So what it's called? You know, it's called what go
to a bar red zone? I do fuboh, do whatever
you gotta do. Fubo, I oh, fubo.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Oh that's right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Am. I the only person that was watching baseball last night.
I think baseball has gotten beaten down for years. I
feel like they're having a bit of a renaissance. You
got both New York teams are good, and market size
matters because the bigger the payroll, the more stars. But
look at right now, who's good in baseball. Houston had
a ton of injuries. They'll be back, huge city. Atlantizo
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is good, Dodgers are good. Both New York teams are good.
Texas and Houston had a ton of injuries. They're both
going to be back. Rangers have a following, Astros obviously
wildly popular. The only team that's missing big market. I
feel like Philadelphia is good, by the way, it's a
great baseball city. So I've got San Diego's wildly exciting.
The only team I think I feel like I'm missing
(16:19):
is San Francisco the Giants, and I always feel they're
well run, but I feel like you're kind of missing
out on them. But I'm watching last night and I'm like,
both New York teams are good, Houston, Atlanta, Philadelphia. It matters.
Market size matters. We know this watching other sports. I mean,
we know hockey, baseball, basketball, it's more market related. And
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the Dodgers are going nowhere and they're star studded. And
the Astros have a big third baseman free agent. If
they re sign him and get healthy, they had a
ton of pitching injuries, they'll be good. So, you know,
I think in the summer months, you know it's it's
baseball just got beaten down. But I do think there,
first of all, they have sped the game up, so
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attendance and television ratings in baseball because of two moves
that needed to be made needed to be made. Both
were getting made, and so the games don't last as long.
That matters. They went from three hours to about two
hours and thirty thirty five minutes, so the games are quicker.
That helped TV ratings. Attendance has been up end ratings.
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There's also a lot of this as Fox. They've created
some like events. You know, the Phillies and the Mets
playing in London, or you know Field of Dreams and
so the All Star Game in the home run Derby's
always had some legs to it. But if you look
at next year in the World Series odds, it's Dodgers, Braves,
Mets Orioles aren't a big team. That's more regional. But
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if Soto stayed with the Yankees, they would be in there.
I don't think he will, but if he did so,
it feels like to me, those are the DraftKings odds
for the World Series. It feels like the right teams
are winning, and I don't you know, it's like college football.
I've said this for years. If you have Texas, Ohio State, USC, Michigan,
Notre Dame, they're bigger brands. Oregon now has become one
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of those Oregon moves a needle. When Oregon's good in
the playoffs, they get a number. So here are the
top odds to win the World Series next year. Dodgers won, Yankees, two,
Braves three, Phillies four. That's perfect. That's who you'd want.
The big West Coast team, the big Northeast team, the
big Southern team, and the second biggest brand in the
Northeast of the Phillies. Then you have Baltimore. But then
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you go back to Houston, massive city, New York Mets,
Chicago Cubs. That's what you want. Only only team missing
here to me is the San Francisco Giants, which are
out west, have a huge brand. They had a run.
I wouldn't call it a dynasty, but they were like
every other year. It felt like for a while maybe
that was a dynasty, but otherwise I kind of feel
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like I think baseball's having a bit of a renaissance.
That's what it feels like to me.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Anyway, you sound like a coastal elitist.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
There's a lot of Milwaukee Brewers fans, right, Hey, what
about us Pittsburgh Pirates fans, Hey, Cincinnati Reds.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
The team of your youth.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
In the NFL when you only have a game a
week or college football, market size doesn't matter. There's urgency.
Football is the sport we watch, and we bet and
we go to. But when you're talking hockey, baseball and basketball, Okay,
those are eighty two games, one hundred and sixty games,
there's no urgency, right, so you really need It's very,
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very hard to get people worked up. I mean, if
you don't live in LA, do you really watch the
Colorado Rockies regularly? No, but you're in LA, you would
watch the Broncos play. If you live in Boston, you
would absolutely watch the Chargers play if they were on
your TV set. Most people in Boston are not gonna
watch if they're sitting there on a Friday night, they're
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not going to watch a Mariners game. But they would
watch a Seahawks game if they were facing the Niners
on television. So baseball is a very regional sport. I
do think the Dodgers and Yankees cut through that. The
Cubs obviously because of their history through that. Yeah. I
always feel like when I lived more in the South,
I always felt Atlanta wasn't a national team, but they
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were a hugely popular regional.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Well, they had the TBS, right, they had their own.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Channel, and they had enough star power. And if you
go anywhere in the South to any airport in the summer,
everybody's wearing a Braves hat, a Master's hat for the
Master's golf tournament, or a Brave's hat in the South.
So the Braves are the Red Sox. The further you
get away from Boston, the less popular the Red Sox are.
But Maine, Delaware, New Hampshire, Connecticut, there's about a six
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state region the Red Sox are wildly popular. By the
time you get to Pittsburgh and Ohio, then they're not.
That's the Braves. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
So the Pittsburgh Pirates have this young pitcher who's a superstar.
He started the All Star Game. He's dating that super
popular influencer. I'm spacing on his name, you know who
I'm talking abou Paul something or so. Pittsburgh Pirates fans
are already nervous. We're not gonna be able to afford him.
We're gonna lose him in a few years.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
They are.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
And that's kind of the reality of baseball, right, Like
they've got a young stud he might be one of
the best young pitchers in the game.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Well, that's because the Pirate Zone cementity money. I mean,
all these guys are billionaires. I mean, so that the
owner of that team could afford to, he just doesn't
want to. So the Oakland A's that was a I mean,
the Fisher family was loaded. They just used it as
an investment. I mean, they could have spent money on it.
I mean, Oakland wasn't the perfect stadium, but they could
have spent money on it. And I grew up in
Seattle my entire life, We've had very wealthy owners. Very rarely.
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If the Mariners ever wanted to spend any.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Money, that spend money to make money, right right.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So I just I think baseball feels like it's going
through a bit of a renaissance. And I also think
part of it is most people don't play hockey, so
there's limitations on it. And the NBA has gotten very
very international, and that's hard to sell with that. Twenty
years in the NFL Super Bowl Champ, thirteen time Pro
bowler going to be a Hall of Famer, Drew Brees
joining us now live. Okay, so I gotta ask Gibb.
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It's a Thursday night game, And so I say to me,
it feels like the Jets have the older quarterback short
week at home. If you had to go on the
road Drew on a short week, you're on a three
hour flight. Does it limit what you can install? Because
they're clearly this year the home teams are doing well
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on these short week games. What is the disadvantage on
the short week for a quarterback? Let's say, well, I.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
Mean, look, you're used to watching so many hours of
film and having so many hours of preparation, and you've
immediately eliminated three days, right, and so not only are
you trying to get your body ready, which, look, the
more veteran of player you are, the more that your
routine throughout the week involves, you know, just getting your
body ready to play for Sunday. Now, all of a sudden,
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that's expedited into a Thursday game. It just makes it
even more difficult. And so, man, I feel like you're
just kind of multitasking like crazy. The advantage that the
veteran quarterbacks have is that, look, they've seen and played
a lot of football.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
They got a lot of experience, so it's not like they're,
you know, they're going to be.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Fooled a lot on game day, you know, or game night,
so they probably don't need as much from the perspective
of a new wrinkles in the game plan or you know,
tons and tons of time to analyze the defense, especially
if they have a knowledge of who that defense is,
who the defensive coordinator is, what the scheme is. A
lot of times it just creates a picture in your
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head as to, Okay, here's what we're here's who we're facing,
here's how I think they're going to defend us, and
just let me have some answers, let me have some
tools in my toolbox. They're gonna help us attack this.
But I definitely think you do simplify things mainly just
for the sake of the rest of your offense.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
So I am tougher on quarterbacks today than ten years ago,
because quarterbacks today have a ten thousand snaps by the
time they're fifteen years old, and you didn't. You had
a ten game high school season, you didn't get all
the seven on seven, the personalized coaching. So it used
to be I would give it Drew Brees or an
Eli Manning. Just give me three years. I'll know if
I have my guy. My rule now is by your
(24:00):
second Thanksgiving, with all the camps you've gone through, I
got to see something. I gotta see something. So people
are banging on the Colts, but my takeaway is they've
actually got a great offensive coach, a lot of pieces,
good receivers, good back, top six offensive line, and it
is getting worse. So I kind of get it. I
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don't think ten years ago I would be as punitive.
I wouldn't be as harsh, but I kind of feel
like you didn't have the advantages of Jaden Daniels, you
didn't get all the camps. Am I being overly harsh?
Speaker 9 (24:35):
Here's my thought on that situation, and specific to Anthony Richardson,
is I mean how many starts that you guy had
in college thirteen fifteen, right, I mean, so let's go
back and look at some recent history. Trey Lance, how
many college starts it was about the same mix, Trubisky,
how many college starts it was about the same.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
So guess what It's going to take longer.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
And so if you draft a guy like that high,
you need to temper your expectations.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
You need to say, look, we're either going to.
Speaker 9 (25:03):
Sit him behind a really solid veteran like, get him
in a great room with a great kind of environment,
and we're gonna bring him along slowly, or if you
do choose to start him, expect that it's gonna take
a while. Expect that there's gonna be a lot of
growing pins. And that's just the nature of the beast.
Like on the flip side, look at brock Perty last
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pick in the draft. But guess what, the guy had
forty six starts in college and then he sat for
a period of time. He was third string going into
the season. Trey Lance gets hurt and Roop Will gets hurt,
then he gets his opportunity. But he's in a great
scheme with a great coach, with great players around him.
So look, there's there is a bit of a formula.
I've always felt like it's fifty starts. You need fifty
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high level starts before I know exactly what we've got,
And that could be high level, could be college, but
also a combination of at and the pros, and it
could be a combination of just sitting in the pros. Right,
Patrick Mahomes had a bunch of college starts, get sat
for a year behind Alex Smith with a really good
head coach and a really good system, really functional environment. Right,
So all these things are factors in this. And so
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to say that you know what you have in Anthony
Richardson and you don't, you don't. He's going to need
a lot more time than he would have had he
stayed in college for another year, or if he had
thirty five or forty starts under his belt already, as
opposed to thirteen.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Okay, hail Mary's did you practice some or is it
all luck watching the command?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (26:31):
Look, there there's absolutely a technique to throw in a
good Hail Mary number one where you try to land
that thing. I always try to land it right in
the middle of the end zone. Now, sometimes if you're
pushed back and you just can't make it that far,
you know you're at least trying to get it to
the goal line where maybe if it gets tipped up
even in front, you're close enough to where.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Somebody can dive in. But if you could get everyone
at least positioned down there.
Speaker 9 (26:58):
You do have rules in place, righty, Like there's a
we would always have a middle jumper and then we
would try to surround that jumper with bodies that could
catch the tip ball right, which look, I think the
commanders executed this extremely well. And look the receiver, I
mean credit him for the discipline of knowing, look, I'm
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not going to go for the jump. I'm gonna sit
back where I'm supposed to be behind the pile, and
I'm going to be ready for the tip pass right,
And he capitalized on that. Defensively, it's always one of
those things where, man, you can't have every defender going
up and jumping either.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Those guys have to have some level.
Speaker 9 (27:36):
Of discipline that they are going to take the same
approach as the offensive team, which is some of you
are going to jump. You need to sit back and
be ready for a tip pass that you can knock down.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Right.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
But it turns into a bit of a free for all, right,
it's like a choose to play in the backyard. Well,
I think my kids call it like three flags up
or something like that. You just throw the ball up
and see who can go get it.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Finally, two minutes left, Joe Flacco is playing. Are you
gonna watch that game and think I miss the juice,
I missed the action when you watch Joe Flacco, come on,
be honest.
Speaker 9 (28:12):
Well, this is this is This is what I love
about Flacco's story, you know, I mean, look at his
journey over the last few years, right, He's bounced around
from team to team. I mean, look what he did
with the Browns last year. It just goes to show
you that you can't put a price on experience like
you can. You could take Flacco and there's probably a
couple other veteran qvs like him right now where you
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could bring him into a system where he's got, you know,
no prior knowledge.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
To that system whatever.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
But he he's able to just based on his you know,
wealth of experience and wisdom and the amount of reps
that he's had, like.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
He could go into a situation and very quickly.
Speaker 9 (28:53):
We talked a little bit about it last week, like
when you have a veteran receiver coming, like he's played
enough ball that you can just put him in and
he's going to figure out, Like he's gonna know the
concepts that he likes, he's gonna know the timing, he's
going to know generally speaking, like okay, this concept, my
eyes are going to start here.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
I'm working back here. I know where my outlet is.
I know what can't happen on this play, Like I'm
not gonna'm gonna avoid the sack. I'm gonna avoid the
negative play, know where to throw the ball away, get
myself into.
Speaker 9 (29:19):
A third managible, Like there's just gonna be a level
of decision making and processing. There's just gonna be different
based on his level of experience. So like, those guys
are invaluable, and they're invaluable you need to like a
guy like that to come in and win you a
couple of games in a season while you're trying to,
you know, get through a period of time with an
injury to your starter, or if you just got a
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young guy who needs to learn, Like I think that's
probably a great guy to observe.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, I actually think they have some good players. I
think the Colts could go on a little streak here
with Joe Flatto, Drew Brees thirteen Pro Bowls. Always love
having you by my man, Always make us smarter. Thanks absolutely,
Thanks you bet Drew Brees stopping by. Yeah, guys like Flacco.
It's like when Tom Brady told Jay Glazer, like seven
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eight years ago, they were talking and Tom's like, I've
seen every coverage. There's nothing you can do. I haven't seen,
and so I can identify stuff, get us in and
out of stuff quickly, and as long as I get
stable protection, I can move the chains. So we do
have this week's NFL schedule, j Mac, I ask you
every week on Thursday and Friday, pick the upset for
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the audience. Pick the upset. I like the Jets tonight.
I imagine you do too.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I don't like the Jets ever anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Holy cow, this is a tough one.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Uh is Green Bay at home and upset No. Three
and a half point dogs backup quarterback?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
How about this?
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Well, this is little more news that you broke earlier
about how he's not practicing his.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Troubling mm hmm, there's one staring at you Raiders. That's
what I meant. Oh gosh, no way at Cincinnati Bengals
can't win at home.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
They lose every home game.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I think no, And I think the Raiders are a
really physical team. They can get you out of sorts.
I mean Kansas City, they went toe to toe with.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Kansas Higgins not practicing today.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
No, I think the Raiders at Cincinnati's got upset all
over it. Also, Buffalo has been playing very well. Keep
your eye.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
They're six and a half point favorites.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I think keep your eye in Miami.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Oh really, Oh please take Miami. Please, let's go ahead
to head on that one.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Really, Buffalo?
Speaker 3 (31:33):
How many interceptions two I have against Buffalo? Like seventy four?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
It hasn't been his best matchup.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Well you and your fam and joy Halloween tonight you too.
I'll be watching the Jets, baby,
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
All sorts of stuff now. Now, baseball season's over at
college football is just ramping up Ohio State Penn State
this week, and I'll take the Buckeyes in a low
scoring game. We both like the buck guys. I think
it's a low scoring game. NBA's heating up. Jmack with the.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
News turns this is the herdline news.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It's an NFL news.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Colin Derek Carr looks like he's coming back from the
oblique injury.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Expected to start this week.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Things have not gone well without him. They've lost six
in a row, three of them without Car. Here's what
Carr said. He doesn't expect them to save their season.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
I am no savior. There's only been one of those,
and you know that is not me. You know, I
am here to be a great leader and to be
a great teammate and to do my job at best
my body and do I feel confident what I can do? Absolutely?
You know, I feel confident what I can do. I
feel confident and what I can bring to our team.
(01:26):
And that's exciting, right, But you know, to save us
or anything like that, that's not me.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, that's also the savior thing doesn't make any sense.
You have people look at Stafford and Brady. They did
not save the Rams and the Buccaneers. The Buccaneers had
the number three offense in the league with Bruce Arians
and all sorts of great pieces. Brady just cut down
the turnovers and they drafted Tristan Wurse and got Lenny Fournette,
and it's like it's a really good roster. This idea
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what Russell Wilson Denver was a savior move, didn't work.
Aaron Rodgers Jet's not a savior move, but just doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Saints seven and a half in Carolina this year.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I'm not touching it. First of all, I don't want
to watch it, so I'm not touching it. You don't
There's a game every weekend, mostly Titans games and Panther games.
I don't want to watch them.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
They're clearly to the two worst teams, like unplayable. You
can't watch them, you can't bet them. It feels like
a body bag game for the Saint.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
There are teams that aren't great, like right now the
Rams record watch not a great team. Rams are fun
to watch. They can beat anybody. There are other teams
out there. Chicago's not a great team, but I like
watching the Bears.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah, all right, let's get to another bad team, the
Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
They've lost four straight. The offense has been putrid.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Colin Vegas ranks twenty sixth in points per game, twenty
ninth in yards, and last in giveaways with their awful
quarterback situation. Antonio Piers though he's sticking with his oc Lugetzi,
it has.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
To get better.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
There's been a lot of opportunities for us to scare
points and make opportunities. And yeah, that's on play call.
But then also, like I told our staff and I
told our players, as all of us, it is not
season is here at this point of the thing that
Luke or myself, But you know the old line play, quarterbacks,
running backs, you know, turnovers, miss uh blots, miss executioners,
don't play as the line is the details. All those
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days have to get cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, play callings overrated, players are underrated. So you know,
you ever notice when you hear about bad play calling,
it usually go hands in hand with mediocre quarterback play.
I mean, Caroline has been complaining about play calling and
Seattle about play calling. Nobody ever talks about the Rams
play calling or I tend. I think play calling execution underrated,
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play calling overrated.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
You know, I said, they keep saying that Jets is
not a good job.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I think the Raiders might be worse. Well, I mean
the numbers speak for themselves. They have no quarterback. I
don't think they have a lot of talent on.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
This team coming.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well, what really hurts that job is you have to
face Andy Reid twice a year, Jim Harbought twice a year,
and Sean Payton twice. That's another good point that is
this this job is a tough job. Whereas if I'm
in the Jets division, I get Mike McDaniel, Is he
the guy? Sean McDermott hasn't won the big games. Gerard Mayo,
we don't know if he'll be there in three years,
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So I mean, I I mean Andy, Reid, Harbon and
Payton are three of the top six coaches in the sport.
And you got it. That's six games a year.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Mahomes is not going anywhere. He's still a young guy.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
He's got it at least another Herbert's got another decade. Yeah,
so baul X now has another decade. So I mean,
unless the Raiders get Shador.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Sanders, that's the guy they need.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
None of these other quarter but nothing against cam Ward
or Quinn yourself, Well there is one big time college quarterback,
this trap one.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Well I was thinking along the lines of just popularity and.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
No, but people know who he is.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Like, what's the identity of the Raiders for like the
last I don't know five years, they don't have one.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
There's like, who's the face of the franchise?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Who has it been?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Max Crosby Rosby a defensive end.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well, he's great. I think he's tough. I think he
is the tat's the toughness, the attitude he's are raped.
If you're in Vegas, are you going to games to
watch Crosby? Well, well I'm going to games. Are you gathers?
I mean they play, I mean I get Herbert Mahomes love.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
So you're not going to games for the Raiders. You're
going fine the incoming teams. Again, Shadure would really help
them big time. Now, Kim Warda, I think it's gonna
be better. We'll see, we'd disagree, but.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Somebody is going to mortgage their future on somebody beyond
Shadoor Sanders and blow the franchise up. My take is
right now, the Raiders are in the lead seat with
Carolina to get shaduor Sanders. I would rather see him
go to the Raiders. They have Colton Miller, a left tackle,
Brock Bowers is absolutely great, Jacoby Myers is a top
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number two receiver. They've got an edge rusher. I've been
saying this, The Raiders have some components. Now, do they
have the right coach? We don't know. Quarterback mess but
if you put a Shador Sanders in there, the Raiders line. Okay,
bron Bauers is literally the best tighth end prospect. He
may be the best tightened in the league by next year.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So I get all that.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Yes, if you're Antonio Pearson, you're in the war room
before the draft and they're like, we need Shadoor Antonio Pierce.
Just know the second you draft him, when is deonce
and there's gonna be the head coach.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
All right, whatever the rad I'm not afraid of that.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
If you're Antonio Pierce, you should be very afraid of that.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
They're gonna run you out quick because he already is
not looking good as a coach.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Over to the NBA for the final story. Calm the Lakers.
They got destroyed by Cleveland last night. Keep an eye
on those calves.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
But the story of the night was Lebron James's son, Bronni,
scored his first NBA bucket.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
The game was a blowout.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Midway through the third quarter, Bronni got some buckets, a
nice little step back.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I think he used Lebron's move.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
They were calling it a little not a snatchback, but
it was a nice little handle there, and he talked
about scoring his first NBA bucket pretty much.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Since I picked the ball up. Been watching this guy
for a minute playing the league.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
So uh, you know, just just dreaming of me being
in those players.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So it's not only is, but players that he's playing
against and with. See it was just a you know,
dream come true.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Okay, pretty awesome Bronnie two points to assist a steal
in five minutes.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Guys just making plays out. Okay, I'm joking, but it's exciting. Man.
Come on, he's sitting next to his dad.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Did you see what happened in the final score? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, Lakers got destroyed. What is that a big deal?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Well?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I think I tend to think winning and losing is
kind of a big deal. Like congrats on the baseline jumper,
But I kind of think winning games and losing games
is what I what I care about. Interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
So they start three and oh, you're making jokes about
putting in to the finals, and then they lose it.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
It's like, hey, you gotta win games.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, I mean the whole Brownie thing. I'm happy for
Savannah and Lebron. I think it's a great story. I
don't think I'm I don't care. I'm not an influencer.
I don't care about stuff like that. I care about
JJ Reddick, building a staff, getting adult and connect in
the in Austin Reeves. AD's hell, Lebron.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
They're doing all that. Look at how dismissive you are.
We got to get Redick on the show. By the way, Hey,
he's I love what Reddick's done. It's early, I told you,
but I'm just telling. The last time I saw a
man his hat on backwards. Now it's NBA, so I'm
a little more lenient, but it didn't concern me.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Come on, Reddick, pull up, big guy.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I think he's a good coach.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
I think.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I like when I see a coach and I see
a plan. What are you? Like if I said, Saints,
what are you? You have no idea? When I'm watching
Denver the way they use bow Nick's movement like they
have a plan. When I watch Washington and Jayden Daniels,
I if I can see what you're trying to do,
I'm like, oh, I get what they're doing. Like Denver
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very much in Washington use the athletic ability of the
quarterback to move the pocket. I see the plan when
I watch you, and I'm like, I don't even know
what you're trying to do. Because football is not that complicated.
I should be able to see what you're trying to do. Jmack,
are you done?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Complete?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
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Speaker 1 (09:19):
By the way, Lamar Jackson back and knee not practicing today,
did not practice yesterday, So Lamar Jackson, that could be
a break for Denver, could be a little break. You know,
you were talking about Lamar Jackson in the playoffs, so
it is interesting. So Josh Allen, the perception is Josh
Allen not good in the playoffs, Lamar Jackson not good
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in the playoffs. But if you really look at it,
Josh Allen's been fine in the playoffs. Josh Allen's got
twenty one TV's and four picks and one hundred passer rating.
He's fine. He's not winning enough, but he's fine. Lamar
has really struggled. And what would really concern you is
the passer rating is dipped, so it passed ratings, not
the be all end all, but you start getting below
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like ninety five, you're just not very efficient. And I'm
not blaming anybody, but I think it is fair that
we look at Josh Allen and we look at Lamar
Jackson as playoffs struggling Buffalo just can't beat Kansas City.
Lamar's not beating anybody, and that is the bigger issue.
And I'm, as you know, a fan, and so there
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you go. I will say this. We would talked about
this yesterday about the NFL doesn't really need certain cities
to win. But it is interesting how lucky the NFL
is that. Think about the NBA, it feels like a
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big city league. And look at Major League Baseball, that
feels like a big payroll league. That's what they feel like.
Right in the NFL. The best quarterbacks play for Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore, Cincinnati,
Green Bay. And that's what it looks like to me.
(11:10):
Those are the best quarterbacks. So it's remarkable. In the NBA,
it does feel like there's a handful of teams that
like the big you know, the the you know, New
York and Boston are favored in Philadelphia in the East.
Now Denver is one of the Oklahoma City is a
marvelous story, but it has mostly been San Francisco Bay
Area the Lakers for years. Dallas is a big market team.
(11:32):
It feels like market size matters for payroll in baseball
and for attraction in the NBA. Right now, the big cities.
I mean New York teams are terrible. New York's terrible,
Chicago's been a mess. I mean, Dallas is underachieving. Atlanta, eh,
I mean, if you look at the NFL, the power
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of the NFL, the best quarterbacks are all the tiniest
markets Green Bay, Buffalo, Baltimore City to NATI Kansas City,
and the ratings have never been higher, never been higher.
So and let's be honest, a lot of that's just
that's where the best quarterbacks are. And that's why the
Indianapolis Colts are saying it's nothing against Anthony Richardson, but
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if you look around, market size is irrelevant. In the NFL,
quarterback is everything. And Greg Cosell talked an hour ago,
Anthony Richardson is getting worse. It's not impulsive, Cosell said,
this just doesn't work in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
I think he's really struggling to understand the route concepts
and the read involved in the specific route concepts versus
the specific coverage. So therefore his eyes are not in
the right place. He misses too many routine throws and
it's really really difficult to be successful when you miss
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routine throws. So again, This is a difficult situation. Either
you and or I are in their building. We don't
understand the day to day. But this is not a
bad football team, and given the state of that division
and the state of the AFC, they may believe, as
they should, that they have an opportunity to be in
the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, and I think it comes down again to this.
It's not a developmental league. I mean, if you look
at baseball, once the season starts, there's not a ton
of developing. You get that in the minor leagues. In
the NBA, once the season starts, eighty two games, there's
not a lot of developing. You do that in the
G League you're traveling all the time. In the NFL,
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there's a sense of well, there's only one game a week.
There's a lot of time to develop. No, there's not.
I mean there's limitations on practices, how often you can
wear pads due to the CBA. Once the season starts,
pads are done. There's limitations. You're resting veteran players. It's
not a developmental league. You're better off staying in college
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football for a year, getting the extra reps, getting the
extra time, hopefully with the good coach and most of
the I mean Jayden Daniels had a lot of starts.
Bo Nicks had a lot of starts. I mean Caleb
Williams two full years of starts. Anthony Richardson just did
not start a lot. Shane Steiken's one of the best
offensive coaches. Here's what he said, He goes it's a
difficult thing. My obligation is to the fifty three guys
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in the organization to win games, and right now I'm
focused on the present winning football games. We'll get to
the future when we get to the future. So I
think people are just mistaking that it is the job
of an organization to build for the future. No it's not.
It's a job of the coach in GM to win now.
And so when you draft a guy with thirteen college
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starts because he's wildly talented, okay, that's fine, but he
better be wildly talented and winning by the start of
year two. Last year was the year you're giving him
a runway. The runway used to be three years. They
three to four years. The runways now midway second year.
That's what it is. We'll take a break. Drew Brees
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Speaker 2 (15:04):
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Speaker 8 (15:19):
But I just.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Realized we're gonna get ram Seahawks out here, so we're
not gonna get Lions Packers.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
So what it's called? You know, it's called what go
to a bar red zone? I do fuboh, do whatever
you gotta do. Fubo, I oh, fubo.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Oh that's right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Am. I the only person that was watching baseball last night.
I think baseball has gotten beaten down for years. I
feel like they're having a bit of a renaissance. You
got both New York teams are good, and market size
matters because the bigger the payroll, the more stars. But
look at right now, who's good in baseball. Houston had
a ton of injuries. They'll be back, huge city. Atlantizo
(15:56):
is good, Dodgers are good. Both New York teams are good.
Texas and Houston had a ton of injuries. They're both
going to be back. Rangers have a following, Astros obviously
wildly popular. The only team that's missing big market. I
feel like Philadelphia is good, by the way, it's a
great baseball city. So I've got San Diego's wildly exciting.
The only team I think I feel like I'm missing
(16:19):
is San Francisco the Giants, and I always feel they're
well run, but I feel like you're kind of missing
out on them. But I'm watching last night and I'm like,
both New York teams are good, Houston, Atlanta, Philadelphia. It matters.
Market size matters. We know this watching other sports. I mean,
we know hockey, baseball, basketball, it's more market related. And
(16:41):
the Dodgers are going nowhere and they're star studded. And
the Astros have a big third baseman free agent. If
they re sign him and get healthy, they had a
ton of pitching injuries, they'll be good. So, you know,
I think in the summer months, you know it's it's
baseball just got beaten down. But I do think there,
first of all, they have sped the game up, so
(17:04):
attendance and television ratings in baseball because of two moves
that needed to be made needed to be made. Both
were getting made, and so the games don't last as long.
That matters. They went from three hours to about two
hours and thirty thirty five minutes, so the games are quicker.
That helped TV ratings. Attendance has been up end ratings.
(17:25):
There's also a lot of this as Fox. They've created
some like events. You know, the Phillies and the Mets
playing in London, or you know Field of Dreams and
so the All Star Game in the home run Derby's
always had some legs to it. But if you look
at next year in the World Series odds, it's Dodgers, Braves,
Mets Orioles aren't a big team. That's more regional. But
(17:47):
if Soto stayed with the Yankees, they would be in there.
I don't think he will, but if he did so,
it feels like to me, those are the DraftKings odds
for the World Series. It feels like the right teams
are winning, and I don't you know, it's like college football.
I've said this for years. If you have Texas, Ohio State, USC, Michigan,
Notre Dame, they're bigger brands. Oregon now has become one
(18:09):
of those Oregon moves a needle. When Oregon's good in
the playoffs, they get a number. So here are the
top odds to win the World Series next year. Dodgers won, Yankees, two,
Braves three, Phillies four. That's perfect. That's who you'd want.
The big West Coast team, the big Northeast team, the
big Southern team, and the second biggest brand in the
Northeast of the Phillies. Then you have Baltimore. But then
(18:29):
you go back to Houston, massive city, New York Mets,
Chicago Cubs. That's what you want. Only only team missing
here to me is the San Francisco Giants, which are
out west, have a huge brand. They had a run.
I wouldn't call it a dynasty, but they were like
every other year. It felt like for a while maybe
that was a dynasty, but otherwise I kind of feel
(18:49):
like I think baseball's having a bit of a renaissance.
That's what it feels like to me.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Anyway, you sound like a coastal elitist.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
There's a lot of Milwaukee Brewers fans, right, Hey, what
about us Pittsburgh Pirates fans, Hey, Cincinnati Reds.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
The team of your youth.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
In the NFL when you only have a game a
week or college football, market size doesn't matter. There's urgency.
Football is the sport we watch, and we bet and
we go to. But when you're talking hockey, baseball and basketball, Okay,
those are eighty two games, one hundred and sixty games,
there's no urgency, right, so you really need It's very,
(19:24):
very hard to get people worked up. I mean, if
you don't live in LA, do you really watch the
Colorado Rockies regularly? No, but you're in LA, you would
watch the Broncos play. If you live in Boston, you
would absolutely watch the Chargers play if they were on
your TV set. Most people in Boston are not gonna
watch if they're sitting there on a Friday night, they're
(19:45):
not going to watch a Mariners game. But they would
watch a Seahawks game if they were facing the Niners
on television. So baseball is a very regional sport. I
do think the Dodgers and Yankees cut through that. The
Cubs obviously because of their history through that. Yeah. I
always feel like when I lived more in the South,
I always felt Atlanta wasn't a national team, but they
(20:07):
were a hugely popular regional.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Well, they had the TBS, right, they had their own.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Channel, and they had enough star power. And if you
go anywhere in the South to any airport in the summer,
everybody's wearing a Braves hat, a Master's hat for the
Master's golf tournament, or a Brave's hat in the South.
So the Braves are the Red Sox. The further you
get away from Boston, the less popular the Red Sox are.
But Maine, Delaware, New Hampshire, Connecticut, there's about a six
(20:34):
state region the Red Sox are wildly popular. By the
time you get to Pittsburgh and Ohio, then they're not.
That's the Braves. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
So the Pittsburgh Pirates have this young pitcher who's a superstar.
He started the All Star Game. He's dating that super
popular influencer. I'm spacing on his name, you know who
I'm talking abou Paul something or so. Pittsburgh Pirates fans
are already nervous. We're not gonna be able to afford him.
We're gonna lose him in a few years.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
They are.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
And that's kind of the reality of baseball, right, Like
they've got a young stud he might be one of
the best young pitchers in the game.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Well, that's because the Pirate Zone cementity money. I mean,
all these guys are billionaires. I mean, so that the
owner of that team could afford to, he just doesn't
want to. So the Oakland A's that was a I mean,
the Fisher family was loaded. They just used it as
an investment. I mean, they could have spent money on it.
I mean, Oakland wasn't the perfect stadium, but they could
have spent money on it. And I grew up in
Seattle my entire life, We've had very wealthy owners. Very rarely.
(21:26):
If the Mariners ever wanted to spend any.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Money, that spend money to make money, right right.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So I just I think baseball feels like it's going
through a bit of a renaissance. And I also think
part of it is most people don't play hockey, so
there's limitations on it. And the NBA has gotten very
very international, and that's hard to sell with that. Twenty
years in the NFL Super Bowl Champ, thirteen time Pro
bowler going to be a Hall of Famer, Drew Brees
joining us now live. Okay, so I gotta ask Gibb.
(21:52):
It's a Thursday night game, And so I say to me,
it feels like the Jets have the older quarterback short
week at home. If you had to go on the
road Drew on a short week, you're on a three
hour flight. Does it limit what you can install? Because
they're clearly this year the home teams are doing well
(22:12):
on these short week games. What is the disadvantage on
the short week for a quarterback? Let's say, well, I.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
Mean, look, you're used to watching so many hours of
film and having so many hours of preparation, and you've
immediately eliminated three days, right, and so not only are
you trying to get your body ready, which, look, the
more veteran of player you are, the more that your
routine throughout the week involves, you know, just getting your
body ready to play for Sunday. Now, all of a sudden,
(22:40):
that's expedited into a Thursday game. It just makes it
even more difficult. And so, man, I feel like you're
just kind of multitasking like crazy. The advantage that the
veteran quarterbacks have is that, look, they've seen and played
a lot of football.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
They got a lot of experience, so it's not like they're,
you know, they're going to be.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Fooled a lot on game day, you know, or game night,
so they probably don't need as much from the perspective
of a new wrinkles in the game plan or you know,
tons and tons of time to analyze the defense, especially
if they have a knowledge of who that defense is,
who the defensive coordinator is, what the scheme is. A
lot of times it just creates a picture in your
(23:22):
head as to, Okay, here's what we're here's who we're facing,
here's how I think they're going to defend us, and
just let me have some answers, let me have some
tools in my toolbox. They're gonna help us attack this.
But I definitely think you do simplify things mainly just
for the sake of the rest of your offense.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
So I am tougher on quarterbacks today than ten years ago,
because quarterbacks today have a ten thousand snaps by the
time they're fifteen years old, and you didn't. You had
a ten game high school season, you didn't get all
the seven on seven, the personalized coaching. So it used
to be I would give it Drew Brees or an
Eli Manning. Just give me three years. I'll know if
I have my guy. My rule now is by your
(24:00):
second Thanksgiving, with all the camps you've gone through, I
got to see something. I gotta see something. So people
are banging on the Colts, but my takeaway is they've
actually got a great offensive coach, a lot of pieces,
good receivers, good back, top six offensive line, and it
is getting worse. So I kind of get it. I
(24:20):
don't think ten years ago I would be as punitive.
I wouldn't be as harsh, but I kind of feel
like you didn't have the advantages of Jaden Daniels, you
didn't get all the camps. Am I being overly harsh?
Speaker 9 (24:35):
Here's my thought on that situation, and specific to Anthony Richardson,
is I mean how many starts that you guy had
in college thirteen fifteen, right, I mean, so let's go
back and look at some recent history. Trey Lance, how
many college starts it was about the same mix, Trubisky,
how many college starts it was about the same.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
So guess what It's going to take longer.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
And so if you draft a guy like that high,
you need to temper your expectations.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
You need to say, look, we're either going to.
Speaker 9 (25:03):
Sit him behind a really solid veteran like, get him
in a great room with a great kind of environment,
and we're gonna bring him along slowly, or if you
do choose to start him, expect that it's gonna take
a while. Expect that there's gonna be a lot of
growing pins. And that's just the nature of the beast.
Like on the flip side, look at brock Perty last
(25:24):
pick in the draft. But guess what, the guy had
forty six starts in college and then he sat for
a period of time. He was third string going into
the season. Trey Lance gets hurt and Roop Will gets hurt,
then he gets his opportunity. But he's in a great
scheme with a great coach, with great players around him.
So look, there's there is a bit of a formula.
I've always felt like it's fifty starts. You need fifty
(25:45):
high level starts before I know exactly what we've got,
And that could be high level, could be college, but
also a combination of at and the pros, and it
could be a combination of just sitting in the pros. Right,
Patrick Mahomes had a bunch of college starts, get sat
for a year behind Alex Smith with a really good
head coach and a really good system, really functional environment. Right,
So all these things are factors in this. And so
(26:07):
to say that you know what you have in Anthony
Richardson and you don't, you don't. He's going to need
a lot more time than he would have had he
stayed in college for another year, or if he had
thirty five or forty starts under his belt already, as
opposed to thirteen.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Okay, hail Mary's did you practice some or is it
all luck watching the command?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (26:31):
Look, there there's absolutely a technique to throw in a
good Hail Mary number one where you try to land
that thing. I always try to land it right in
the middle of the end zone. Now, sometimes if you're
pushed back and you just can't make it that far,
you know you're at least trying to get it to
the goal line where maybe if it gets tipped up
even in front, you're close enough to where.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Somebody can dive in. But if you could get everyone
at least positioned down there.
Speaker 9 (26:58):
You do have rules in place, righty, Like there's a
we would always have a middle jumper and then we
would try to surround that jumper with bodies that could
catch the tip ball right, which look, I think the
commanders executed this extremely well. And look the receiver, I
mean credit him for the discipline of knowing, look, I'm
(27:18):
not going to go for the jump. I'm gonna sit
back where I'm supposed to be behind the pile, and
I'm going to be ready for the tip pass right,
And he capitalized on that. Defensively, it's always one of
those things where, man, you can't have every defender going
up and jumping either.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Those guys have to have some level.
Speaker 9 (27:36):
Of discipline that they are going to take the same
approach as the offensive team, which is some of you
are going to jump. You need to sit back and
be ready for a tip pass that you can knock down.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Right.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
But it turns into a bit of a free for all, right,
it's like a choose to play in the backyard. Well,
I think my kids call it like three flags up
or something like that. You just throw the ball up
and see who can go get it.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Finally, two minutes left, Joe Flacco is playing. Are you
gonna watch that game and think I miss the juice,
I missed the action when you watch Joe Flacco, come on,
be honest.
Speaker 9 (28:12):
Well, this is this is This is what I love
about Flacco's story, you know, I mean, look at his
journey over the last few years, right, He's bounced around
from team to team. I mean, look what he did
with the Browns last year. It just goes to show
you that you can't put a price on experience like
you can. You could take Flacco and there's probably a
couple other veteran qvs like him right now where you
(28:35):
could bring him into a system where he's got, you know,
no prior knowledge.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
To that system whatever.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
But he he's able to just based on his you know,
wealth of experience and wisdom and the amount of reps
that he's had, like.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
He could go into a situation and very quickly.
Speaker 9 (28:53):
We talked a little bit about it last week, like
when you have a veteran receiver coming, like he's played
enough ball that you can just put him in and
he's going to figure out, Like he's gonna know the
concepts that he likes, he's gonna know the timing, he's
going to know generally speaking, like okay, this concept, my
eyes are going to start here.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
I'm working back here. I know where my outlet is.
I know what can't happen on this play, Like I'm
not gonna'm gonna avoid the sack. I'm gonna avoid the
negative play, know where to throw the ball away, get
myself into.
Speaker 9 (29:19):
A third managible, Like there's just gonna be a level
of decision making and processing. There's just gonna be different
based on his level of experience. So like, those guys
are invaluable, and they're invaluable you need to like a
guy like that to come in and win you a
couple of games in a season while you're trying to,
you know, get through a period of time with an
injury to your starter, or if you just got a
(29:39):
young guy who needs to learn, Like I think that's
probably a great guy to observe.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, I actually think they have some good players. I
think the Colts could go on a little streak here
with Joe Flatto, Drew Brees thirteen Pro Bowls. Always love
having you by my man, Always make us smarter. Thanks absolutely,
Thanks you bet Drew Brees stopping by. Yeah, guys like Flacco.
It's like when Tom Brady told Jay Glazer, like seven
(30:04):
eight years ago, they were talking and Tom's like, I've
seen every coverage. There's nothing you can do. I haven't seen,
and so I can identify stuff, get us in and
out of stuff quickly, and as long as I get
stable protection, I can move the chains. So we do
have this week's NFL schedule, j Mac, I ask you
every week on Thursday and Friday, pick the upset for
(30:26):
the audience. Pick the upset. I like the Jets tonight.
I imagine you do too.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I don't like the Jets ever anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Holy cow, this is a tough one.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Uh is Green Bay at home and upset No. Three
and a half point dogs backup quarterback?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
How about this?
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Well, this is little more news that you broke earlier
about how he's not practicing his.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Troubling mm hmm, there's one staring at you Raiders. That's
what I meant. Oh gosh, no way at Cincinnati Bengals
can't win at home.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
They lose every home game.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I think no, And I think the Raiders are a
really physical team. They can get you out of sorts.
I mean Kansas City, they went toe to toe with.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Kansas Higgins not practicing today.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
No, I think the Raiders at Cincinnati's got upset all
over it. Also, Buffalo has been playing very well. Keep
your eye.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
They're six and a half point favorites.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I think keep your eye in Miami.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Oh really, Oh please take Miami. Please, let's go ahead
to head on that one.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Really, Buffalo?
Speaker 3 (31:33):
How many interceptions two I have against Buffalo? Like seventy four?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
It hasn't been his best matchup.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Well you and your fam and joy Halloween tonight you too.
I'll be watching the Jets, baby,
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