Francis Ngannou has OFFICIALLY left the PFL after fighting one fight in the last two years since joining them, and has now become a free agent that could join the UFC! Daniel Cormier gives his reaction to the huge news in MMA, and why Jon Jones vs. Francis Ngannou at the White House could be the perfect fight. Plus, DC discusses Alex Pereira vs. Jon Jones and where Francis fits into the heavyweight picture.
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Speaker 2 (01:48):
Let me tell you something man about the PFL.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I think the PFL at times gets things wrong. I
thought the PFL got things right when they signed Francis.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I think the PFL at.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
This point might be making the right decision at the
right time by cutting ties with the big Man.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But why why do I say that?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Because it excites me, Because if the big Man is
on the free agent market, that gives me the idea
that it's possible that he could come back and fight here. Look,
we have a massive card at the White House, right
we have a heavyweight division that's a flux. Yesterday, Tom
Aspnon signs with Eddie Hearn, who, by the way, Dana
White and Eddie hern A fighting. I mean last week
Dana White called him the biggest buss he's ever seen
(02:31):
in his entire life. Then goes on today and says
he has no problem with Eddie Hearn. So this whole
thing is crazy, right, Well, the heavyweight champion is out,
Tom aspinall the former heavyweight champion now is a free agent.
We have the White House cart where John Jones says
he's negotiating with the UFC on whether or not he's
on France and gone Will becoming available now makes it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Plays a factor in all these things.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
And let me tell you how right Tom Asperon's with
her and say he can't really come to terms with
the UFC. If the UFC can get France and Ghano
back in the fold, then you start making fights with
him and say he always was the champion, he just
left for a while. John Jones gives you too many
problems to get on the White House, right, or it's
(03:17):
not working Frances and Gano's on the market. You kind
of pivot and go, well, Francis, can we get together
and talk about maybe you fighting at the White House.
That takes a little bit of that leverage from the
Jones side. And then also it just gives us the
chance to have Frances back in the UFC. Now, I
don't know that that's gonna happen because it seems like
(03:37):
the UFC and are Yeah, Data and Frances aren't really
coming together in the way that they would need to
in order to make that happen. But hell, we have
seen things happen in sport, especially entertainment, more than I
could come to tell you.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So see him bunk hated the WWE. He's back now.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
We've seen so many brock Lesbion like bronck Leslon would
never get back in the ww after all the things
that he did.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
He's back now.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
So many people have had issues with the organization and
they've been back. Why does that matter? Why am I
speaking WWE? Well, these moves have happened under the TKO
manner right where TKO, which is the parent company of
the UFC, the WWE, where they say, even though there
(04:26):
is bad blood, the bottom line means and matters more
so we can look past the issue to get to
what we're trying to do right, which is make the
biggest and best matches for WrestleMania, sumssnigmen, all those things.
You would imagine that maybe the UFC would take the
same stance when it comes to a guy like Francis.
(04:49):
But I'll tell you, hey, man, come on, come on, Chris.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
The PFL I got Chris. Whyman here, Chris, come here, Chris.
Did the PFL get screod Bell gets screwed? Francis fault
one time? There? Remember he signed at twenty three.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
It was the biggest deal of all time. He was
going to be an ambassador for fighters. His opponents were
gonna get paid very well. But it's he bots more
than he actually fought MMA. So did the PFL get screwed?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
And what is that?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Like?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
What does this mean to you here that frances on
the market. Do you think the UFC could come to
terms with them? And do you agree with my idea
that it takes leverage off of the Jones plate, It
takes leverage off of the tom Asman.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
All plate, all everything. Does it affect everything? Like I feel?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, I think it looks like the PFL got screwed.
It looks like they weren't happy with the deal. They
probably overpaid Francis for that first MMA fight, and then
he was boxing and they weren't willing to pay him again.
They realized they didn't get the numbers that they needed to.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So it looks like they're moving on.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
But I do think this makes things very interesting, especially
for this White House, and because we've been talking about
the John Jones Pajea fight and they're saying they're gonna
be announcing the fights on Saturday. So if if Francis Agano,
if the UFC just found out Francis Agano got became
a free agent, do we make a quick turnaround? Don't
what's big John Jones Jones or Alex Bajea versus John
(06:13):
John Jones.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Well, I think we both can agree that John Jones
is the is the is the is the sticking point.
You gotta have Jones first off, because he's American, He's
an American guy. I think Jones is the one that
stays regardless. Francis Jones a Pereira Jones, I think Francis
I think.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I think Francis versus John Jones is the bigger fight.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I agree because they were there was a long history there,
there were supposed to fight people acting like.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
John Jones was scared of Francis. He wasn't.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Then Francis was scared of John Jones. You know, I'm
just saying that's that's what the talk was.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
And here we go. Is it two years or something?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Three year twenty three, twenty three is when he signed
with the PFL. But but but remember Francis had really
bad issues with the UFC. I mean talking about like
those guys they don't. But but but again t k
O is the parent company. Now they have shown time
and time again that they can look past the personal
to get back to making the money.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
One hundred. Business is business.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I think they could look past it, and I think.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I hope they can make that happen. You want to
make you think Francis would be sick against.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
John Jones because you know, hey, that fight is that
fight would be sick too, But it would be you know,
people would.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Be like, John Jones is gonna go out there and
take him down? Me seeing him get taken that by
his But that was so long much better now I agree,
I agree with all those things. But that's where people's
mind's going to be a little bit. So Francis Ganno
is a monster? Can John Jones just throw him around?
I don't think can you just take him down like that? No,
I think he's gonna have to stay.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Francis hard is big, and obviously he's gotten better at boxing.
If he was training for two boxing fights against two
the greatest boxers in the world, you'd imagine he's even
more dangerous today than he was even back then.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Yeah, if they could make that fight happen, please, let's
make that.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
My man, Chris Whiteman, guys, it changes everything. It changes everything,
this guy being on the market.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I believe that.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
If you're the UFC, you take a close look. I'm
not saying you have to do it. I'm saying, though,
you take a close look at what it would take
to make this happen, because I'm telling you it helps everything.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It helps every situation. If there is a.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Tom Aspnaul is the heavyweight champion in the world, make
no mistake about it.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
He's the best heavyweight in the world, or at.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Least when John Jones retired, That's exactly what he was,
and so many believed that he would.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Beat John Jones even if they fought.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
So tom Aspinaut is thatweight champion in the world. But
if tom Aspinaut is having trouble coming to terms with
the UFC. If tom Aspinall is injured as he is
and out for as long as it seems like you
will be, to put the former heavyweight champion who walked
(08:58):
away with the belt back in there would be a
massive deal.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
This is all me guessing because I don't know anything,
but I know that the first thing I thought when
I woke up this morning and saw that France and
Gano had been released by the PFL, first was like,
why would they do that? Is it smart that right
now they're cutting their losses and going Okay, this Francis
and Ghanu experiment did not work.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
But immediately my mind shifted to wow, this.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Is great for the UFC and fans around the world
who love mixed martial arts because potentially they could get
the opportunity to see him back in the octagon. And
if you see him back in the octagon, they have
massive fights all across the heavyweight division for him, all
across thatvyway division. Hey John Jones, you don't want to
fight uh tom Asbina. Okay, let's do tom asbadaal Francis
(09:50):
and Ghanu, right, Let's do the Formeruey jam versus the
current heavyweight champ.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Let's do that, Okay, John, you.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Want to fight a super fight with Alex Perra, Okay,
we'll do John Jones. Well, sorry, we'll do Tom Aspernal
versus Francis. It just would make it to me. It
just feels like it would make the division a little
bit more exciting to have a bunch of guys at
the top that could fight each other.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Because right now Alex Ferreira is a heavyweight excitement.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
John Jones is back as heavyweight excitement, asking the heavyweight
champ excitement. You start putting the big dog in there too,
Big Frank, the heavyweight division starts to look viable again.
Now remember he's thirty nine years old, the only fault
one mm fight in the PFL.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
He has not fault him made that long.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
But I'm telling you, when you possess the power he
has in all that danger, man, maybe he's still viable.
And even if not for anything more than to get
that one fight that so many thought. Man, if we
could get Jones in France to get that one fight,
you want to talk about making the biggest fight ever
on the White House lawn.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I think that's it. I think that's the biggest fight ever.
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
We'll see what happens Saturday. I'm hoping, I'm not sure.
Until next time, guys, Peace,
Okay, guys, our good friends at hard Rock Bet want
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And if you have a gambling problem, call one eight
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(01:30):
time I'm here at the Apex, something big must have happened,
so I gotta jump on right away. But today's episode
is brought to you by Total Wireless, the official wireless
provider of UFC.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
They're in your corner with unlimited.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Five G data that will not slow you down. Now, guys,
that is a total power move you want, it's a
power move.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Let me tell you something man about the PFL.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I think the PFL at times gets things wrong. I
thought the PFL got things right when they signed Francis.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I think the PFL at.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
This point might be making the right decision at the
right time by cutting ties with the big Man.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But why why do I say that?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Because it excites me, Because if the big Man is
on the free agent market, that gives me the idea
that it's possible that he could come back and fight here. Look,
we have a massive card at the White House, right
we have a heavyweight division that's a flux. Yesterday, Tom
Aspnon signs with Eddie Hearn, who, by the way, Dana
White and Eddie hern A fighting. I mean last week
Dana White called him the biggest buss he's ever seen
(02:31):
in his entire life. Then goes on today and says
he has no problem with Eddie Hearn. So this whole
thing is crazy, right, Well, the heavyweight champion is out,
Tom aspinall the former heavyweight champion now is a free agent.
We have the White House cart where John Jones says
he's negotiating with the UFC on whether or not he's
on France and gone Will becoming available now makes it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Plays a factor in all these things.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
And let me tell you how right Tom Asperon's with
her and say he can't really come to terms with
the UFC. If the UFC can get France and Ghano
back in the fold, then you start making fights with
him and say he always was the champion, he just
left for a while. John Jones gives you too many
problems to get on the White House, right, or it's
(03:17):
not working Frances and Gano's on the market. You kind
of pivot and go, well, Francis, can we get together
and talk about maybe you fighting at the White House.
That takes a little bit of that leverage from the
Jones side. And then also it just gives us the
chance to have Frances back in the UFC. Now, I
don't know that that's gonna happen because it seems like
(03:37):
the UFC and are Yeah, Data and Frances aren't really
coming together in the way that they would need to
in order to make that happen. But hell, we have
seen things happen in sport, especially entertainment, more than I
could come to tell you.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So see him bunk hated the WWE. He's back now.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
We've seen so many brock Lesbion like bronck Leslon would
never get back in the ww after all the things
that he did.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
He's back now.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
So many people have had issues with the organization and
they've been back. Why does that matter? Why am I
speaking WWE? Well, these moves have happened under the TKO
manner right where TKO, which is the parent company of
the UFC, the WWE, where they say, even though there
(04:26):
is bad blood, the bottom line means and matters more
so we can look past the issue to get to
what we're trying to do right, which is make the
biggest and best matches for WrestleMania, sumssnigmen, all those things.
You would imagine that maybe the UFC would take the
same stance when it comes to a guy like Francis.
(04:49):
But I'll tell you, hey, man, come on, come on, Chris.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
The PFL I got Chris. Whyman here, Chris, come here, Chris.
Did the PFL get screod Bell gets screwed? Francis fault
one time? There? Remember he signed at twenty three.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
It was the biggest deal of all time. He was
going to be an ambassador for fighters. His opponents were
gonna get paid very well. But it's he bots more
than he actually fought MMA. So did the PFL get screwed?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
And what is that?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Like?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
What does this mean to you here that frances on
the market. Do you think the UFC could come to
terms with them? And do you agree with my idea
that it takes leverage off of the Jones plate, It
takes leverage off of the tom Asman.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
All plate, all everything. Does it affect everything? Like I feel?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, I think it looks like the PFL got screwed.
It looks like they weren't happy with the deal. They
probably overpaid Francis for that first MMA fight, and then
he was boxing and they weren't willing to pay him again.
They realized they didn't get the numbers that they needed to.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So it looks like they're moving on.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
But I do think this makes things very interesting, especially
for this White House, and because we've been talking about
the John Jones Pajea fight and they're saying they're gonna
be announcing the fights on Saturday. So if if Francis Agano,
if the UFC just found out Francis Agano got became
a free agent, do we make a quick turnaround? Don't
what's big John Jones Jones or Alex Bajea versus John
(06:13):
John Jones.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Well, I think we both can agree that John Jones
is the is the is the is the sticking point.
You gotta have Jones first off, because he's American, He's
an American guy. I think Jones is the one that
stays regardless. Francis Jones a Pereira Jones, I think Francis
I think.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I think Francis versus John Jones is the bigger fight.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I agree because they were there was a long history there,
there were supposed to fight people acting like.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
John Jones was scared of Francis. He wasn't.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Then Francis was scared of John Jones. You know, I'm
just saying that's that's what the talk was.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
And here we go. Is it two years or something?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Three year twenty three, twenty three is when he signed
with the PFL. But but but remember Francis had really
bad issues with the UFC. I mean talking about like
those guys they don't. But but but again t k
O is the parent company. Now they have shown time
and time again that they can look past the personal
to get back to making the money.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
One hundred. Business is business.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I think they could look past it, and I think.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I hope they can make that happen. You want to
make you think Francis would be sick against.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
John Jones because you know, hey, that fight is that
fight would be sick too, But it would be you know,
people would.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Be like, John Jones is gonna go out there and
take him down? Me seeing him get taken that by
his But that was so long much better now I agree,
I agree with all those things. But that's where people's
mind's going to be a little bit. So Francis Ganno
is a monster? Can John Jones just throw him around?
I don't think can you just take him down like that? No,
I think he's gonna have to stay.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Francis hard is big, and obviously he's gotten better at boxing.
If he was training for two boxing fights against two
the greatest boxers in the world, you'd imagine he's even
more dangerous today than he was even back then.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Yeah, if they could make that fight happen, please, let's
make that.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
My man, Chris Whiteman, guys, it changes everything. It changes everything,
this guy being on the market.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I believe that.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
If you're the UFC, you take a close look. I'm
not saying you have to do it. I'm saying, though,
you take a close look at what it would take
to make this happen, because I'm telling you it helps everything.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It helps every situation. If there is a.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Tom Aspnaul is the heavyweight champion in the world, make
no mistake about it.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
He's the best heavyweight in the world, or at.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Least when John Jones retired, That's exactly what he was,
and so many believed that he would.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Beat John Jones even if they fought.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
So tom Aspinaut is thatweight champion in the world. But
if tom Aspinaut is having trouble coming to terms with
the UFC. If tom Aspinall is injured as he is
and out for as long as it seems like you
will be, to put the former heavyweight champion who walked
(08:58):
away with the belt back in there would be a
massive deal.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
This is all me guessing because I don't know anything,
but I know that the first thing I thought when
I woke up this morning and saw that France and
Gano had been released by the PFL, first was like,
why would they do that? Is it smart that right
now they're cutting their losses and going Okay, this Francis
and Ghanu experiment did not work.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
But immediately my mind shifted to wow, this.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Is great for the UFC and fans around the world
who love mixed martial arts because potentially they could get
the opportunity to see him back in the octagon. And
if you see him back in the octagon, they have
massive fights all across the heavyweight division for him, all
across thatvyway division. Hey John Jones, you don't want to
fight uh tom Asbina. Okay, let's do tom asbadaal Francis
(09:50):
and Ghanu, right, Let's do the Formeruey jam versus the
current heavyweight champ.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Let's do that, Okay, John, you.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Want to fight a super fight with Alex Perra, Okay,
we'll do John Jones. Well, sorry, we'll do Tom Aspernal
versus Francis. It just would make it to me. It
just feels like it would make the division a little
bit more exciting to have a bunch of guys at
the top that could fight each other.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Because right now Alex Ferreira is a heavyweight excitement.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
John Jones is back as heavyweight excitement, asking the heavyweight
champ excitement. You start putting the big dog in there too,
Big Frank, the heavyweight division starts to look viable again.
Now remember he's thirty nine years old, the only fault
one mm fight in the PFL.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
He has not fault him made that long.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
But I'm telling you, when you possess the power he
has in all that danger, man, maybe he's still viable.
And even if not for anything more than to get
that one fight that so many thought. Man, if we
could get Jones in France to get that one fight,
you want to talk about making the biggest fight ever
on the White House lawn.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I think that's it. I think that's the biggest fight ever.
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
We'll see what happens Saturday. I'm hoping, I'm not sure.
Until next time, guys, Peace,
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