The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis: Penny Hardaway on Michael Jordan & Steph Curry, Shaq-Magic split, coaching Memphis

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Speaker 4 (01:25):
Everybody? Welcome back to the Drapmond Green Show with b
D my Dog.

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Speaker 1 (01:36):
We got a special episode for y'all today. I am
oh D excited about this episode.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Because my guys, I grew.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Up an Orlando Magic fan as a kid, and I
was an Orlando Magic fan because the two people of
Shock and Penny Hardaway and my first jersey in my
life for Shock with the Stripes, I had an Orlando
Magic simple onesie. I had an Orlando Magic nightlight. And

(02:11):
for me, this is a dream come true. We have
a fourteen year NBA veteran, four time NBA All Star,
two time NBA All All, NBA First Team, Olympic Gold medalist,
and the University of Memphis legend, and had basketball coach
none other than the one and only Penny Hardaway.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
What's happening?

Speaker 5 (02:34):
Oh, what's happening?

Speaker 6 (02:36):
Fellas man Hey it's an honor, man, because I'm a
fan of both. Obviously I've been knowing BD longer, but
dre huge fan.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Man.

Speaker 6 (02:41):
The way you approach the game, the way you play
the game, your mental not even your you're the physical
part of the game, but your mental is O. D.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Bro just a huge fan, huge fan, man.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
I appreciate that. That means a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Like I said, just for me being a fan of yours.
And we're gonna get into that this episode. When I
but when I heard the opportunity and they like, yo,
what do I have a pinion on the show, I'm like, what, Like,
it's crazy to me. So I just want you to understand, man,
my love that I have for you, my appreciation for

(03:15):
your career, for who you are as a person.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
I can't I can't state that enough before.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Yeah, No, I appreciate that. It's the same here man.

Speaker 6 (03:23):
It's just one of those situations where just watching you
just grow through the game, man, just from day one. Honestly,
and again, like I said, I've known b D way longer,
but as far as what you said about me, it's
the same, Bro. I just every every championship, every game
when I'm watching with my bigs. When I'm watching with
any player, it's just pointing you out.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
You know.

Speaker 6 (03:41):
We love Steph, we love Klay being there when Kad came,
all of that. But I'm like, Dre, Man, you just
got to watch a man. You are the type of
player that I enjoyed playing with. I had bo Outlaw.
I had these guys that just would run through a
wall and do whatever it took and just never really
got the full credit. You're getting the credit you deserve,
maybe more, you need more. But at the end of
the day, what you bring every day man, to pure

(04:01):
basketball people is what we love to see.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Thank you, man, And I have to echo.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
You know obviously my my uh looking up to you, bro.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
I got an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
You know, I would say as a young kid when
I was at u c LA to see you walk
in the gym, uh, and I would say, just throughout
my career, you've always been a guy, you know what
I mean. And you know from what we saw in
Orlando to the entertainment to just always how you carried
yourself and then for me being a young dude in
the gym, you know, like the way the way you

(04:37):
baptized me in the game.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
That was a cold move. You know what I mean?
That was cold. That was cold because I picked you
up full court.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
You know what I mean. You had the ball was
at U c l A. I was like, oh yeah,
I'm about to pick him up. And Bro, when you
looked at me, you was like, are you kidding me?
You was like, and then you hit me with like
eight moves and you know U c l A court
d you feel he went in and out cross boom
and then he did the smitty.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Then he did that and I was like, man, I
was sliding.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I was like, man, hold on, dude, like I'm about
to be tired of hell fucking.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
I remember.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
You were different, Man, I ain't gonna lie from the
very beginning. Bro, you were way you were mature, way
beyond your years in the game. You're changing speed, your athleticism,
you're notledge the game, your r Q, your toughness because
you had that toughness as well to go along with
that game. I mean to change the heights, to change
the speeds everything.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
You just man, you know I watched you and remember
I went to Miami when we was both coming back
from rehab. Man, I got a chance, you know, when
we had our back, you had had some some knee isshoes,
like we was both trying to make our way back, man,
and then just soak up that gang from you, you
know what I mean, and learn how to be like

(05:54):
bad if you want to get to that next level,
you know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
It's all the fine details.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
And I'll never forget that because that kind of took
my career, to my confidence to a whole other level.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Man.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
So you just you all, You're like, you.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Are my guy. You know what I mean, You are
my guy. There is nobody touching you, bro, as far
as like game the ism, you know what I mean.
Just I mean it was it was almost like you
you are one of the pioneers of hip hop and
who how to rap music start, how to rap music

(06:32):
start really translating into oh, there he is, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
The story there he is.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
You want of the realist dudes to ever touched a basketball,
bro and to play this league, and you know salute Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
No, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Man.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
I feel the same way about your game, bro. You
were just elite.

Speaker 6 (06:47):
When I left UCLA, I called everybody was like, yo,
Baron Davis, look out when you came into the league,
you did the same thing.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (06:53):
It was crazy how you did it at all levels.
You did the same exact thing that you said that
I did. Man, and the ill is dude that I've
ever seen with a rock in his hands, for sure,
no doubt, that's oh Man.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I mean you averaging today and today I don't want.

Speaker 6 (07:09):
To make nobody man taking at least thirty for sure,
easy thirty, easy thirty in my prime, I'm not disrespecting anything.
But in this day and age, this game fits me.
It's not crowded in the paint. You ain't playing your
match up every possession. You know, back in the day,
we played our matchup every possession, so you really had
to bring it now having the five man switch out.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, I mean yeah, that would be crazy, Like what
was what was getting thirty on the dubs? Nah, that's
an easy thirty.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
I just know, Man, at six seven, I was a
student of the game, Bro. It wasn't just about my
athleticism and the style of I studied so hard, Bro,
so I was gonna figure it out, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
And talk about talk about the difference in you know,
like your mentality coming into the league, you know as
a rookie at rookie sensation like in that era, like
you had to be a dog, you know what I mean,
Like talk about you know when you got there, Like

(08:18):
what was your mentality knowing that, Okay, you got Mike,
you got Reggie Miller, you.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
May have Rod Strickling, you know what I mean, it's
a fight every night. What was that like?

Speaker 6 (08:26):
Yeah, it was killer be killed, bro, that was my mentality.
You gotta gu out there and kill or be killed.
And those guys weren't sparing you. Back in the day again,
you had to play your matchup and it wasn't much help.
You're on the island by yourself. And I said, well,
they have to be on the island with me by
themselves too. So at the end of the day, I
was six seven, I posted them up. I was like,
I'm not going to play with these dudes. I'm going
right to the block, I'm going around them, I'm jumping

(08:47):
over them and for whatever you know deal like back
in the day, guards couldn't play post d I guess
they weren't used to being posted. And I took guards
to the post and just ate off that and then
obviously the floor game. You know, I had the floor
game as well, but I wasn't about with people. I
was about just getting the job done and trying to
get the dough. And I wasn't trying to be cute
fadaways and all this shit, because I ain't really with it.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
I'm with getting it done. And when I came in
it was KIBQ.

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Speaker 5 (10:36):
I'd like to report a trade.

Speaker 9 (10:38):
Orlando has traded the draft rights to Chris Webber.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
To Golden State.

Speaker 9 (10:55):
In exchange for the draft rights to Anthony Hardaway and
three future first round draft picks.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
All right, you were traded to the Orlando Magics for
Chris Webber on Draft Night one. How did you feel
about the trade. But the biggest question, Yeah you were
not traded, you would have had a career at Golden State.
What do you think would if unfolded as a Golden
State Warrior?

Speaker 6 (11:29):
Yeah, first, I'll talk about being traded for my man
seawb shout out to Sea web He. It was something
that I auditioned for because I was doing the movie
Blue Chips in LA with Shack and I was with
him every single day. And the blessing behind that movie
is that we played real basketball. I don't think I
took five shots the whole summer. I threw him the
ball every time, like Big Butler. That's what I'm going
to do the whole year. I was smart because I

(11:51):
wanted to be in Orlando. When I went to work
out for Orlando, I scrimmaged with the team and took
care of business. So I did really well there, and
I kind of Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson were there
and I'm just doing the same thing, getting them shots,
getting them shots, and then whenever I had to kind
of take over, I kind of took over. But really
I want to let them know if I come here,
you know, I'm I'm gonna be that guy to find

(12:11):
y'all and get y'all the ball. Now, the Golden State
side of it with Nelly and UH and Tim Hardaway
would have been bitious as well, because man, it takes
it to Tim Hardaway was done real bro. So we
played one on one inside the arena with Nelly in
the in the crowd watching me and Tim play one
on one on my video, and I worked out for
them and we played like five games. It was just

(12:33):
to drag out. So he said, I'm gonna bring the
goon in on you and he gonna tell me if
you can hoop with us or not. Then Tim came.
Now Nelly put Tim on me. He was like, you
gotta go get him like basically he brought Tim like
I'm calling I'm calling him up. So we played one
on one and it was nobody in there but me,
Nelly and Tim.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
Oh, straight one.

Speaker 6 (12:53):
On one in front of Nelly, Nelly sitting in the
crowd just chilling, and Me and timmy going at it.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
And I knew I had to go at him, but
Tim and much respect too.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Oh my gosh, did you did you cook him?

Speaker 5 (13:05):
You know what?

Speaker 6 (13:05):
I can't I can't remember what the scores was honestly,
I got to ask him about that, but.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
I know we played five games't lose all five games.
He was runner in the league at the time too.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Man, Yeah, man, that's that's just crazy.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Though.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
I think about like my draft process and like for
you to say my draft workout, I played against the team,
Like with all these rules and ship today, you could
never do that. But that's but like, what better audition
than to see exactly, like, what better audition you get
out there with the guys and play like.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
They had their best defender on me. He was Anthony
Bowie at the time. That's the guy that they put
on m J all these guys, Reggie.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
And Yeah, but he was in the machine to be there.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
He was in the Washington That's hilarious. So so you
entered the league in the East obviously going there with
Shaq and Michael Jordan is dominating the league. What what
did you what what comes to mind for you about
that first matchup? Like BD, his first matchup with you

(14:22):
is in in u c. L a jail, right, Like
what was your what was your first matchup with him?

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Jay? And what comes to mind for you from that matchup?

Speaker 5 (14:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (14:30):
What was so crazy is he was retired at first
he came back. Wow yeah yeah, so we was the
dudes in the league. So when MJ came back, I said, okay,
all right, all right, I know what I got to
do because at this point, this is my second year.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
I'm ready, I'm rolling.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
And he came back, and he came back with a vengeance.
But that first matchup was I had to let him
know right away because he was that dude.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
Come on now, he was the dude.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
So I was like, all right, I took him right
to the post, did what I normally did, and was
trying to I was trying to put fear in him
guarding me because I knew what he was gonna try
to do to me on the other end, so I
was trying to hit first.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, that was a battle, I mean, you know what
I mean, Mike coming back forty five. Like when you
saw Mike in forty five, was he like he ain't
in the twenty three, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (15:19):
So I didn't recognize the forty five. I know who
that was.

Speaker 6 (15:24):
I was like, he's gonna be a little rusty, but
this is MJ. To just be able to come back
mid season. Bro fifty five against the Knicks. He had
double nickels against the Knicks in the Garden second game,
right right, So I'm like dog all right, cool. So
when he got into the building it was forty five.
We was like, you know, it's MJ. But man, we

(15:45):
played them in the playoffs right after that, and man,
Nick Anderson stole his ball and we won the game
off of steal.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
He came back the next game in the twenty three.

Speaker 6 (15:56):
Oh wow, he said, I'm out of the forty five
and work. When he took his jersey off, everybody saw
twenty three and he looked at the crowd, crazy crazy
heat us that game Game two.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Even I how the NBA approved that. It's crazy in itself.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
There wasn't no rules like that. That's m J.

Speaker 6 (16:22):
He didn't care what David Stern rest in peace with
sad bro. He was like, I'm rocking this. Oh, y'all
got all these rules today, Savage. None of that was
going on back Savage.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
And miss series. He changed his number. Let me get back,
y'all want up?

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Y'all wound up?

Speaker 6 (16:37):
You know, they won game two and we went to
Chicago in one game in games three and four.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, y'all wind up, call y'all wound up getting them?
That was that was an epic moment, you know what
I mean? I felt like that kind of puts you
in a whole nother strategy.

Speaker 6 (16:51):
Oh no, did Big Mic is what they call him
in Chicago. When you beat Big Mike, you know you're
doing something Big Mike.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
You played, You played against MJ, You played against Cole.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I think you played against Bron.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
Right A guess who Bron? You played Bron and I
played against Many. Yeah, yeah, he came back for a
couple of games and then he went right for now.
He didn't even stay. He came back during that season.
So I got a chance to play against all those times.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Man, So tell me, like those guys, A lot of
people talk about those guys being in the Gold conversation.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Huh, how do you how do you look at that? Like?

Speaker 1 (17:32):
What do you if you say, oh, this guy is
the best, that guy's the best, how.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Do you look at the whole Golt conversation?

Speaker 5 (17:37):
Because I view it differently.

Speaker 6 (17:39):
Right, because Lebron got the numbers, you got MJ, who
had this innate way of just hitting fifty whenever he
wanted and was crazy with it and winn the championships
undefeated in finals.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
And then he had Kobe who mimicked them.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
J who had IQ, who had toughness, and who had
shot making ability and won championships himself. So I put
them in those categories. So Lebron is the numbers guy.
He got the numbers, like, that's the guy. He's got
to give him that. M J being a guy undefeated
in the finals I got it was, you know, first
team All Defense. I can't remember how many times. I mean,

(18:13):
come on, man, that's that's the goat yet. And then
Kobe being a fearless, fearless warrior and champion who mimicked
his game after m J. It's like, you gotta you
gotta have all of them one A, one A, one a,
but in their own different in their own different ways
to me, And I'm not being political on that, because
Lebron is a power forward pretty much. You know, Kobe's

(18:34):
two guard, MJ's two guard. But Kobe mimicked his game
after m J. And Kobe did a hell of a job.
He was a rest piece of.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Kobe all of a job carving coffee.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
And it's like that, it's almost like you're trying to
calm carving coffee then impossible, you know what I'm saying, yea,
and to actually.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
Do it, so yeah, yeah, and to do it.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
So what Kobe had when m J had a Kobe
was so different, or I should say Kobe's approach versus
MJ's approaching. MJ was like, I'm giving all y'all at seventy.
Like if I go to Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, he
did that fifty fifty fifty. I don't know how two
or three times in his career. Think about going fifty
to fifty fifty San Antonio, Houston, Dallas. What Kobe did

(19:18):
when he had problems was I'm marking Penny Hardaway down
on my list, I'm marking down on our list. I'm
putting Gary Payton on my list. I'm putting all these
top dudes on my list, and I'm gon knock him
out one by one. MJ never see said, I ain't
doing none of that. I'm just coming in and I'm
killing y'all. So Kobe had to start off a little
sloor rookie year. He kind of struggled a little bit,
but then you're in LA and then he just you
knew he was coming though, but he made this list

(19:40):
of names, and boy did he scratch off he especially
all the names off that lab.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
And then, man, I want you to talk about because
to me, like you see Magic Johnson and then the
next iteration of somebody that's six eight sixty seven with
dimes offensive talent leadership, like the next version was Penny Hardaway.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
How much of an influence did like Magic? Have you
know what I mean? Or who are some of the
people that you patterned your game after, you know? Coming up?

Speaker 6 (20:16):
Yeah, it was strictly Magic for me because how he
approached the game. You're talking about a fierce competitor, talking
about somebody that was happy to make everybody else better.
You talk about somebody that was gonna win at all costs.
Champion did whatever it took. Played five spots in the NBA.
Who can say one guy played five spots like that
throughout his career and.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
He was a PG six nine PG.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
He wasn't the most athletic, he wasn't the most the
fastest dude. He was getting picked up ninety four feet
by guys. He understood ikey on how to get the
ball into a position when somebody bigger played him. He
had all the shots he developed, the sky hook he
posted up he made. I mean, it was just ridiculous.
So for me, it was magic all the way. Man,
just watching him a lot of and.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
You just mentioned him tim Hardaway the Texas two step,
But for us growing up, we called it Timmy. You know,
the twin cross. Yeah, that's the Timmy. Yes, like for
us growing up, Yeah, Andrew.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Wiggins does this move.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I knew exactly where it came from the first time
I seen it, and I was like, oh my god,
he just hit him with the penny.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
How did you come up with that?

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Movie?

Speaker 3 (21:26):
And you was doing it from three, which I think.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Is absolutely insane, Like people don't understand how far away
the NBA three point line is from the round. To
have the strain to do that move from three, it's
insane to me, Like where, how did you come up
with that move? And why do you think it is
that the more guys don't use it because you you

(21:49):
create so much separation with it.

Speaker 6 (21:51):
Yeah, I think for me, you know, shout out to
Keith Askings, who was one of the best defenders in
the league. He was kind of overreactive. Any little flinch
I made, he went for it. So me, I'm studying
them every game. I'm like, in that moment, because I
only used that move, you'll never see end of that
move ever.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
In my career.

Speaker 6 (22:08):
Again, I was all about getting space and shifting you, right,
So I knew if he was gonna go for the
half half spin, I had already planned it out in
my head and it just happened.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
In the moment.

Speaker 6 (22:19):
I said, if I have spin this dude, he's gonna
be there because he was just that type of defender,
and I'm just gonna separate with a step back. And
when I hit the half spin and saw him there,
I just hopped back. He didn't know I was gonna
do that, Obviously I did, And when I did it
and shot it, I was in such a rhythm.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
Man, it was time. At that point. Everything was going in.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
But that was one time I did that move and
I never tried it again because my mind just worked
to try to shift you and I knew what type
of defender he was. And the reason why to go
to the second part of that question, God don't do
it anymore. God's ain't playing d that hard to leave
no more for them to actually have to try to
do that feeling and you're a great defendier. So you
know what I mean by that, I'm not knocking, but

(22:58):
they're not playing. He that hard to have to make
you shift him like that for sure.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
No, you only got a couple of guys.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
That's like really picking the guy up in their chest
like that you talking to guy. But then also another
thing is though you can't touch players today, like.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
You imped any movement. But dudes they calling them.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Follow the dudes ain't a frank, Like dudes are afraid
to get embarrassed, right, It's more like being afraid to
get dropped or dunked on or in the highlights where
it was more so like I feel like you know
your era and then a little bit and then my
era was more so you're trying to get on Sports Center,
right yeah, So you know, I just feel like it's

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just a difference, Like dudes are nervous, Like, man, I
ain't about to go hard on defense and then be
sitting on the floor.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
You know what I mean, nobody wants that.

Speaker 6 (23:51):
Look, I look at the approach. Like jay Z said
in his line, y'all respect the one who got shot.
I respect the shooter. Remember that person? I respect the
defender that gets up and he gets droped, he gets
back up and come at you again. I respect that
more so than the shot.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
So that's me.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
You know when you look at that, when you look
at the NBA, like you said, you said magic on
to I'm sure you still watch the NBA something today
when you look at it, who do you have your
top three guys as far as handle that came through
the league or.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
That came through the league. Paul Crawford is one of
them for sure.

Speaker 10 (24:25):
Okay, crossovers over Kyrie and Man, it's a lot of
guys that had beat he had crazy handles, but he
wouldn't He was freakings with it as well.

Speaker 6 (24:36):
But you're talking about God that displayed it every move.
He was about blowing around you. But these guys are
like Kyrie, he'll hit you, beat you, pull back. We're
talking about them type of guys the same thing. So
you're talking about and then Step has handles. He could
do whatever he's want with that thing too, man, so
and then to be able to get that out from
three to the same handles. So right now I can
put Step in that category because man, he works at

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it and he gets separation better.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
Than the other.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
He don't you knowed this much room.

Speaker 6 (25:02):
But the big the big guys with the handle to
me were j C and uh and and Uh Kyrie
and I'll put.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
Step strickly until I always put rock.

Speaker 6 (25:13):
Don't even start with him, Bro, that dude was ridiculous.
He was ridiculous. He was Kyrie. I'm talking about just
about handles. Yeah, Rod Strickland was was crazy with it.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Bro, yeast.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
I did.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
I did go ahead.

Speaker 11 (25:31):
Kenny Anderson, Hey, Bro, I used to make me some
mad in practice because he would be killing and.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
You know how he is. You're like, come on, you know,
we're just playing ball, yo, come on up yo.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
And I would be in practice, like trying to follow him,
you know what I mean, and he just be killing.
I was like, I'm gonna lose my spots and this dude,
you know.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Well, speaking of the greats, though, the one debate that
comes up all the time, it's the ninety six Olympic team.
What's better than the ninety two Dream Team? Where where
do you stand as far as those teams go? Obviously
you are a part of the ninety sixteen, but you know,
and and seeing how those two teams went about Yeah.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
No, all our idols are on ninety two. Bro, we
bound out the ninety two. You got to, bro, you
got to show love and respect to ninety two. But
we ain't bound out. Nobody else thought, whoa, okay, Wow,
let's go.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Let's go through the match.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Nobody else, let's go through the match. Let me see,
let me go through the man. Nobody else. Come on,
we can talk about that.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Jay, go what's the fine. I'll be one.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
I'll be I'll be one hundred percent honest. I want
to flex my muscle a little bit. I got two
of them things, but I'll be one hundred percent honest.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
You know, I'm always keeping real. I'm not a part
of some of the great this Olympic teams of all times.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I got on my first Olympic teams because some guys
didn't want to go because of the xecra virus in Brazil.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
So how the guys ain't want to.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Go, I'm like, oh, you're gonna have to see me.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
I'm going.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
So I'm not gonna sit here and even act like
one of my Olympic teams could compete, because I'm sitting
here looking at this team list and no, I'm not
gonna do that. I'm always keeping no chance. Would we
would have Probably we had a good team, like a
really good team, but I'm just not sure her team

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could compete with this team.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
So I'm not I'm not even gonna do.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I think y'all match up with uh, this past Olympic
team though.

Speaker 6 (27:48):
Yeah, no, they were really good, you know, And it's
just to me. I mean we had that, we had
the big yeah, you know what I mean, we had
all the big Charles.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Barkley, Gray Hill, Anthony hard Way, David Robers and Scottie Pipper,
Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, Karl Alone, John Stocked, and Shaquille O'Neill,
Gary Paynon. How came oldge one, I'm sorry, I hell.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
A team crazy, that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
And shout out the GP. GP is my dog.

Speaker 6 (28:20):
GP got closer doing that Olympics in ninety six because
we was we were. We would go every time you
went to Seattle, you had a problem, you had to
go to bed talking about GP. That so we never listened.
Everybody can debate their own Olympic team. Like Dre said, man,
it was an honor to represent the country. Like you said,
people didn't want to go he went, come on, Bro.
That was a blessing. But honors was in the States
in Atlanta, which to me was even more special because

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my family could come. Even if it would have been
out of the country, it would have been cool, but
just to represent the country was cool.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Ya.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
I want to ask you a couple of questions.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
And obviously your Memphis team is playing incredible.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
When you get into like the game today.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
And obviously when you first got into it had an
issue with you and James Wiseman and past relationships and
all this stuff. And now you look at the NIL
how in your view and being in it, has that
changed the college game, the college game.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
As a whole. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (29:27):
Yeah, the whole entire James Widen situation was by the
judge saw how I saw. You know, when we were
retired from the NBA, Bro, we go back and we
do for our communities, right, even when we're in the league.
And when I retired, I came home and I did
for the community. I didn't do anything for James Wiseman
on my high school team that I didn't do for
anyone else over all the years from you know, ninety
three all the way up. So that was my thing,

(29:47):
and it just got misconscrewed because of some hate and
jealousy from some people, and they turned it into the NCAA,
which became an investigation, and thank god that the judge
saw how it really was. But fast forward until now,
I has changed the whole demographics in a major way
because now it's not just about the athletes getting paid.
Some are getting paid millions, and it's like, now there's

(30:10):
no there are no rules to the game, like you
don't get fined like in the league. You get fined
if you show up late.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
You know.

Speaker 6 (30:16):
I think that's what it's going to turn into, because
we need some guardrails on this thing. Because a player
can get as much money as he wants, good all
the time, get all the shots, get all he wants
or whatever. And I'm speaking from what the coaches say
around the country. But he can come to practice and go, yo,
I'm not I'm not feeling practice to day, and you
can't find him and go, well, we're finding.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
You because you're not practicing.

Speaker 6 (30:38):
They still get their money, you know, And you know,
it's a beautiful thing for these these young men to
get paid. But it also it's it's it's been taken
out of it's getting a little out of hand, and
we just got to get some guardrails.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Well, I was gonna ask you, what is it? You know,
whatever gift there is a curse, you know what I mean.
And so you know, you kind of nil is sitting
in this middle ground of it can be great for
families and things like that, but there's also you know,
they are getting millions of dollars. You know, when we
got millions of dollars, nobody gave us an instruction box

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how to manage a million dollars and for sure a
loan you know, being hard to manage, you know what
I mean. And so you know, I look at it
is it's a fine balance of helping people become successful
and then enabling people to become you know ultimate ultimately

(31:31):
like failures to themselves if they don't make it.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
Yeah, I think it gives them an excuse as well
of not to work hard to get to the league.
Because they're making so much money, they can physically retire
and say, well, if I don't make the league, I
got this to fall back on. So the hunger to
me and Dre knows this and you notice the hunger.
You got to have to make it, you know. And
a lot of these young men they just to understand
obviously the world has caught up and surpassed in some areas,

(31:57):
but where they're being drafted. So American players, man, we
got it even harder. So most guys are using the
NIL for almost a backup plan, and it's helping families,
which is a beautiful thing, but it's not driving them
for boarding, you know, it's not driving them to be like, Okay,
I got this NIL, but I still got to go play.
I still want to make it to my dream.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
That's interesting because I felt like, you know, a part
of a part of one to make it for me
was the struggle like not having food when I was
in college.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
And I am.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Totally on board with players getting paid because you know,
I think you create value in anything, you should make money.
Like that's just the world we live in, and so
I'm completely on board for that. But I do think
NIL in a sense about the NCAA, it's a setup.

(32:50):
And I think it's a setup because to me, it
felt like they were just like, all right, here you go,
let it blow up in your face. You know what,
I'm saying everything else that want to put guardrails around
and help guide it. But then the one, you know,
the one thing that they finally give, it's like hey,
here's here's here's everything with no with nothing to follow

(33:14):
know anything. And then you know, there's an ugly side
of it as well, where you're starting to see these
kids coming out of saying they ain't get paid the
money they were supposed to get.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Paid, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
And and but yeah, again, who who are you going
to when that happens, because there's no one government.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
It's just what it is.

Speaker 6 (33:34):
Yeah, I think that when it happened, a lot of
coaches already had, you know, foreseen that this was going
to happen. What you're saying, like the ncaagent took their
hands off and go allay, go to work, you know,
and we don't have anything to do with it. You know,
that's just your guys. And I think they're they're going
backwards to come back forward by now by saying all right,
we're going to do the guardrails because it's just it's

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it's out of hand, and like you said, you should
profit from things that you're associated with it are using
your name, image and like it is. I mean, it's
just a part of it. But it's gotten to a
point where it's, like you said, some coaches aren't paying
players or they're saying they're not being paid. We don't know,
but they're saying that. And it's not incentive based. It's
just basically like it's yours. If you're making a million dollars,

(34:16):
you're gonna get your entire million dollars. And if you
average seven points and three rebounds, you're still gonna get
your million dollars.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
You got that talk about like coaching in this era
because you you you started without.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
The NIL now yet now in the NIL.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Just talk about you know, coming up in the league,
the coaches you had and then you know, coaching philosophy.
How is that? You know, how have you evolved? You know,
I would say from a player coach and you know
now in this new an, I M.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
Yeah, I'm still the same, you know, because the way
that I recruit these guys is we play out of concepts.
We try to do everything Golden State does. Anybody in
the league does that play out of concepts? Man, We
don't have like a set system. You know, there are
systems and I don't knock those coaches, coaches to being
a coach. Izzo has a great system, you know, and
they played. They just have to play tough, but it works.
It's a system that's that's worked for years. But for

(35:13):
me to stay in the know with the younger guys,
for me, I just play out of concepts. You know,
you pay give the ball to Draymond and we're going
into split screens. We're screening for each other, we're getting
the ball, we're getting downhill, we're kicking it, making one more.
And then on defense we're locking in and packing the
paint or just pack line defense. So for me, I
think it works for those guys because they can see

(35:34):
through our system. They can look at Golden State playing
go while look at how they play, and then watch
our film and we can show the exact same things
that we're doing in practice, the terminologies and everything that
they're using. So I think that gives me an edge
as well.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
When you first got into the college game, and you know,
this could be just me because how big of a
fan I am, but when you first got into the
college game and you're walking into the East living rooms
as the hardaway.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Was that too.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Was that to a benefit or to a detriment, because
I think the first thing that people would think is
it's Penny. Of course, people want to be around you,
of course, but you also run into a lot of
people that want to use that against you, you know,
like they want to use your self, your success, your
name against you.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
Like did you find that to be helpful or hurtful?

Speaker 5 (36:30):
It's two ways, though, Drake.

Speaker 6 (36:32):
The first way is the good way, because the parents
were fans of mine. Most of those parents, they love
the game. They got a kid that can play ball.
They're like, man, I watched you. You were my favorite player.
And from that side, it was great. But then there's
so many coaches that bond together. There's a lot of haters.
They go, don't go play there. It's not organized, it's
all NBA stuff. And then I didn't only walk into

(36:53):
the to the room by myself. I walked in with
Mike Miller, and then with coach Larry Brown, with with
Shee Wallace, these guys on my staff. Right with these guys,
they like, how could you say no? But from the
flip side of that, though, there comes a lot of
hate because when we come from the league and I
didn't quote unquote pay my dues and was an assistant

(37:16):
coach of for I six seven years and then get
the job.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
I just came right in. That makes a lot of
people mad.

Speaker 6 (37:21):
So while these parents are oohing and aye and man,
we love you, they've got twenty phone calls from someone
going don't go there, go here, just don't go there.
So there's so many people hating for for young men
not to come to me because they know the success
that I'm going to have and that they're going to.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Have one thousand. I love it. I love to talk
to your ship.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Oh gee, though, going back to the Olympics, right, because
I always wanted to ask, right, you come off of
Olympic goal right summertime, celebrating the goal, and then Shaq

(38:03):
leaves the magic but the Lakers bro.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
First day of my life. I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
I knew the magnitude of that bro. But here's the
thing though, that was so crazy. Shaq never told me
he was leaving. Oh wow, you know how you get
into the nos this Like all of the international media
was in there. In our interview with the entire team,
We're on a panel and they're asking each one of
us questions, and one guy goes, how does it feel
not to have Shack as a teammate?

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Whoa hill right here?

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Gary Padon, I'm like, looked at Charles Barkley. I'm looking.

Speaker 6 (38:35):
I'm like, if that happens, then that will be devastating.
That's exactly what I said. And they was like, no,
like he's he's about to sign the multi year deal
with the Lakers. I was like, well that's the case, then,
you know, I wish him well. And then Shaq came
to my room, either that day or the next day,

(38:55):
knocked on my door Bro and was like, Bro, I'm sorry.
I should have told you, Bro, I was done.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
I was.

Speaker 6 (39:01):
It killed me, Bro, it killed me. But I'm gonna
tell you what happened. All of like the the entertainers
in l a. Cherry West rest in Peace was so smart.
He knew Shaq wanted to be in movies. He brought
him to La Is Beautiful. Even though Orlando is a
family town in l A is different. Shaq went there
and they man, they they did everything. They threw everything

(39:23):
at them. He forgot my name. He was like, what
about Penny? He was like, who, I don't know, you're
talking about Kobe and Nick Van next to Annie Jones.
Oh yeah, I know them cats, But yeah, no, I was.
I was happy for him, but I knew what that
meant our franchise. Bro, you can't lose that, you can't.
But the thing that was so bad about that was

(39:44):
the local media would always like poke the bear, meaning
like Shaq can't shoot free throws, will never win a championship.
The fan say Shack didn't deserve all the money he's
getting because he can't make free throw. They were doing
that to him, and I was like, what are y'all doing, Like, dude,
come on, y'all crazy, And I think Shaq got a
little bit of that in there along with going to LA.

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But I didn't know bed I was in the conference, Like,
I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
That's crazy. Wow, damn shock. When he came to the Lakers,
you know, that's my dude.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
Though man may not do. I love that dude to death,
but he knew.

Speaker 6 (40:20):
He apologized a thousand times after that, Like if I
would have known now what I knew back then. But
at the time, I felt like he made the right
decision for his career monetarily and for championships because he
went to a team that was willing, and Orlando was
going to do exactly what we needed to do to
go out and get pieces as well. But Lakers Orlando
franchise versus the history.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
But it couldn't he could have stayed in Orlando for
two years because when he got LA, it.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Took him a while to get there.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
So you know, I always and and I love when
he said, like, damn, I should have stayed.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
With Penny, got us one and then bounce that been
with me.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
But you know, it's like, you know, basketball has so
many storylines, and everybody's story is you know, interweed with
everybody else is just you know, it's great to see,
like you know, when things come full circle, you know
what I mean. And for him, you know, to big
up you, to say like you're one of the greatest
players he's ever played with, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (41:26):
And like you getting your.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Flowers now especially yeah, you know, I know you coaching
and so how them players are you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Yeah, but like they need to hear.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
From us, like how special and how important you are
to us, because I appreciate open you open the floodgates
to like, oh I can get out here and wiggle.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Basketball is entertainment, you know what I mean, But it's
there's a style to this killer you know what I mean.
That just I mean that motivated me, That motivated the
whole generation of people.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Man.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
So you know, I just always look like your storyline,
even with the knee injuries, with my knee injuries, and
I say, man, there's so many parallels. But to be
able to like share that moment with you, you know
what I mean, Like for me, I know it was hard,
but you know, for you, like just share a little
bit about you know, overcoming injuries, you know what I mean, Yeah,

(42:19):
would have been because I always think about that shit too,
Like yeah, come on, you know, like how tell me
what would have been?

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Man?

Speaker 5 (42:27):
Like, yeah, that's crazy?

Speaker 6 (42:30):
Man, me healthy, I just you know, I just know
I could have did like way more damage. I wasn't
a selfish player, but I just got it done, you know,
in my way, and I wanted to win. And I
would have not having any injuries. It would have been crazy.
It definitely would have been crazy. The same thing with you, bro,
and the same thing with Dre. Dre didn't have the
injuries we had. He's been like you were just talking

(42:51):
about people looking up to us. You know, back in
the day, guys didn't really look up to defenders like that.
But when Golden State was rolling and Drey was a
huge part of it, I'm hearing God in the gym going,
I want to be Draymond coach. I don't need to shoot,
and he set a standard outside of defenders and gods
that hustling scrap. And then this year the three point
shooting and just working on this game and consy going, Okay,

(43:12):
I don't have to shoot threes. I'm still gonna win,
but now I'm gonna show you'all I can ask something
else to my game. So for all of us in
our own way, touching lives. Man, when people see Dre
and Cubdn see me, they light up because they can
identify success to us. They can identify card work to us,
they can identify being a great teammate, being somebody that
respected the game and just wanted to ultimately win and

(43:36):
it didn't matter what it took. So for me not
being injured, man, I would have been the best teammate.
I feel like I would have been one of the
best winners because I would have did whatever it took
to take the back seat to anybody that I played
with to go and get that wing man. It wouldn't
have been no ego with me. Hey, if we would
have brought in younger players and I was in my
prime war to win a championship, you had no fuss
out of me, Bro, it would have just been let's win.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
And I wanted to win.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
And I hate that I didn't because watching the guy
that have one man, it's like watching them celebrate, Bro,
it just takes you back to be like, Man, I
just wish I had that moment.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I wish I had that moment all the time, Like
I wish y'all had that moment too.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
Man, Over and over again.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
It's an incredible feeling. It's hard to put it into words.
It's crazy, though, because when I did it the first time,
it was like incredible and it was like wow. And
then like after like a couple of weeks of living
on this cloud, I kind of went through this little

(44:35):
small depression and like fear of life. Man, what if
I never feel that feeling again?

Speaker 4 (44:41):
And then we did it. When we did it.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Again, what I've gotten every time since is that you
get the most joy out of seeing the guys on
the team that's now doing it for the first time. Yeah,
for sure, because it can always it always take you
back to that moment. I'm like, why, like, I remember
when I felt like that, Like not that I'm not happy,

(45:04):
like it's the best feeling, but I know that that
joy right.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
There is different, you know, because when you do it
for that first time. Thanks, nothing like it. But I'm
sorry speaking of the first time.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
You remember the first time and I don't want to
don't get me the u c L A gym that
we can't see.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Do you remember the first.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Time you played Penny?

Speaker 3 (45:33):
He had twenty four points that game.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
I was coming off the bench for the Charlote Hornets,
I believe, and Penny was from the Yeah, he was in.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
The Phoenix Suns.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Eddie Jones was the shooting guard and you know, you
know Eddie was my dog too. Eddie was that dog
and uh yeah, just goes to show, like you know
Penny came in there.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
It was you and Jake Kid.

Speaker 6 (46:00):
Yeah, no doubt that would come on, dude, I was
I don't even think I played in that game.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Did I play? I played like.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
They wouldn't let me in the MiGs bro it wasn't crazy.

Speaker 6 (46:11):
That's so crazy, Dot Bead talk about I want to
ask that question because as great as you are, were
coming out, you had to sit to these veterans and
you were like this young goon ready to go to work,
and you just had to senuate your turn.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Talk about understand how you did that.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
I don't know. I was just out when I got in.
I think I was so hyped up. I would make mistakes,
you know what I mean, And like, you know, our
margin for era was very minimal, you know what I mean.
And the way Boss Silace coach like you had to
spot up jumpers go in the post. And when I
got to Charlotte, I was like, damn. Like when I

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first got there, we was moving, you know, pick and roll,
showing what I can do. When they started putting them
plays in, it was like, oh, we don't fast break
down here, you know what I mean. There was there's
really no way to change the tempo. So I was like, damn,
I'm not gonna get a chance. But I stayed in
Charlotte after the season and they said I couldn't shoot,

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so I worked on my shot and then that's when
I came back to La playing the real run d
I just started. I started chasing every fade and every
dude that had a good year. I was trying to
pull up on him, that celebrity game all that, and
then that's you know, it was almost like it was
a good thing. But I still don't think it was

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good because I felt like if I would have started,
like I could have been a game changer. But you know,
back then, Penny, you know how there's a hierarchy, no doubt,
you know what I mean, And sometimes you gotta have
one game or two games where you start to break
through that mode.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
And I never got to start my rookie year.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
But that's your that's your testimony. Bro.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
When I came back, I started, you know, every game
after that. David Wesley called me in the summer. He
was like, hey, Bro, just tell him don't trade me.
I was like, bro, when I see you in training camp, Bro,
you better mind a new position.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
And he wound up playing to starting shooting guard for US.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
And David Westy was tough.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Penny and just speaking on you know, obviously you were
with Orlando Magic, then you went to Phoenix.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
But again, I go back to the Orlando Magic times.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Ye, Shack Jerseys just became the first jersey to get
retired in Orlando Magic history.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
Do you think you will and should get that call soon? Personally?
Before you speak, I think so.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
I think so, man, But you know what was so
crazy as t Matt came behind me and he wore
number one too, So I think both number ones, but
Grady and Hardaway need to be up in there. And
I know you're talking about me because Macs my dog,
but I think that number one needs to go down
Hardaway and Matt, and we need to do it on
the same night because that's my dog.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
I don't need it. I mean, we need to do
that because people.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
You know, Yeah, I can get both number ones, but
you definitely needs you all night. Man, you got you
got way too many highlights, way too many accomplishments like
we gotta have, you know what I mean? Like as
far as the yeah, yeah, man, you know you you
you you without barring any injuries, you're on that goat level, you.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
Know what I mean, no doubt I was. I was
on the way, he.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Was on your way.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
And there's always a debate obviously who's Mount Rushmore. What
I want to know what does your mouth rushmore? Look
like like, who are your four players?

Speaker 6 (49:43):
I go old school so much, so I'm happy to
read I go old school so much, man. But it's
so much greatness in today's game, and it's played over
the last ten years. But if I'm going old school
old school, it's it's Shack, It's m J, it's Kobe,
and it is Brian. That's that's That would be my list.

(50:03):
If you want that, that would be the list besides
besides me, if I'm going that route, it's just, you know,
I have so much love for Steph. I have so
much so many people, Bro, It's just it's crazy, man,
because they talk about the best point guard, it's step
for point guard.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
Is he a shooting guard? What are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (50:20):
You know, I'm just.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
Saying, what is the point guard? That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (50:24):
So when we talk about point guards, bro, how could
you leave the little either. I remember saying a long
time ago that dude is an assassin. Bro, he got
the baby pace, but that dude is an assassin. Man,
what he's done to the game. You cannot leave him
out of any conversation.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Now that's a fact.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
He a point guard. You know why Steph's a point guard.
And I think I think people asking you know you
you have the whole theory is the glass has half,
then is the glass for I think people asking is
Stephan's point guard or shooting guard as a compliment to
Steph because the reason they asked the question, it's because

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of how well he shoots the basketball. Yes, and so
you shoot the basketball so well that everyone wants to
make him a shooting guard. But the reality is a
lot of his shots are off the dribble.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Number one guards didn't shoot off the dribble.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
When you talk about proto type prototypical shooting guards, most
prototypical shooting guards was one or two drip bounces. If
they spotted pulling up one or two bounces to the cup,
that was a two guard. And so I think it's
such a compliment to him when people say that because
you shoot the ball that well. But here's the thing

(51:39):
when you talk about why he's a point guard, is
if you've ever watched stuff, and I've seen all.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Of them, I'm blessed to say that.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
The amount of coverages that he's seen and had to read,
like quarterbacks recoverages, point guards recoverages, the amount of coverages
that Steph has had to read and being guarded. I'm
no Bron has not seen, Kobe has not seen, MJ

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has not seen. There is not a person in NBA
history that has seen the amount of defenses and different
type of coverages that Steph Curry has seen and to
navigate that still average almost seven assists per game on
the career plus his points and to get those readsons.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
So for instance, step is averaging six and a half
six six assists. I'm averaging seven and a half eight.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
I'm averaging those assists off of him making a quick
read and getting me the ball and then allowing me
to do what I do. But the quarterbacks still had
to hit me on the route right. And that's why
I say, like, no question, he's a point guard. But
it's the ultimate compliment because you're so great at a
thing that they want to make you that other thing.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
You know what, you know what, you know what it is.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
It's he's a point guard who scores the way a
shooting guard was traditionally supposed to score. Like point guards
don't really you know, like over the history of the
league put up fifties and forties and things like that.
So when you see somebody like even you, Penny, like
I ask you, are you a point guard?

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Of course? Right?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
You know what I mean, when you play with Jason Kidd,
you still a point guard. You a combo guard. And
so now Steph has been called a hybrid guard. I say,
Penny Hardaway point guard, point god, Steph Curry point god,
because he just revolutionized.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
The way who we play, you know what I.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Mean, Like nobody and you know, I've never seen somebody
score shooting guard points at the point guard position night
in and night out, you know what I mean. I
feel like Ma Bear was maybe one of the most
potent point guards. Iver Sin was was a shooting guard,

(54:06):
you know what I mean. And so like Steph is
doing what Iverson is doing from the point guard position,
and so it's it messages people's equilibrium up because that's
not what you traditionally see.

Speaker 6 (54:20):
Yeah, and it's like it's like Dre said, Iverson saw
man and man coverage, he saw double teams. But he's,
like he said, Steph is seeing every coverage imaginable. But
his IQ, along with Dre's IQ and the way that
Steve has the office flowing.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
If we can give him.

Speaker 6 (54:33):
The credit just marries that marries everything together in the
perfect form for how he plays the game. And then
most of his shots are coming from him screening, him
slipping the screen, him getting to drip a hand off,
him throwing it and zooming in and chasing it and
getting the shot and being able to make those shots
while making those decisions.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
Yeah, and then I think he's gotten more.

Speaker 6 (54:51):
He's got more back door cuts in his career in
the last two or three years that I've ever seen,
because now he's reading them over playing them. He's getting
the back doors and Dre's leading them before he moves
throwing them open. So I'm watching all this like, man,
it's unreal. He's been blessed to have Dre because everybody
couldn't have been in the position Dre is in throwing
somebody open versus throwing somebody at past It's two totally
different things. He has to see him open and see

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the vision of where that ball needs to bounce for
step to just get into that ball and just lay
the ball up. So that's the beauty of the whole
thing in Golden State that I marveled over, man, And
I imagine myself playing that in that system with those
two dudes.

Speaker 12 (55:25):
That would be stupid. Come on, man, I come off
the bench. I am not tripping. Let me come off
the bench, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Yes, sir, no, that's fired.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
You've been at Memphis since twenty eighteen. Yeah what what?

Speaker 4 (55:54):
Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Oh yeah? Yeah? Okay, better I go there. Okay, but
I'll go there all right. So I'm a I'm a
big fan of the Clone Orlando Magic team.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
It's crazy because if you go back and date these
podcasts early well, during the draft year of Paolo ban Carroll,
everybody was saying Jabari Smith Junior would be the should
be the number one pick. And I actually love Jabari
Smith game. So this ain't a slight at all. But

(56:33):
I said on this podcast, I said, yo, everybody talking
about Jabari Smith being a number one pick.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
To me, Paolo bn Carroll's the number one pick.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
And they end up taking the intel from the Draymond
Green Show and they did the right thing and they
drafted Pollow you know, but you know then they also
did a great thing and they drafted from Vagner. You
just said, you know, if you were with us, you
know how that would have been. How how would you
have for a scene playing with those two young guns.

(57:03):
They both would be All Stars this year if they
were playing. Paulo has been hurt for a while, and friend,
I don't know that his games is gonna end up
being enough to ultimately make it. But how could you
saw yourself fitting in with those young guys that you
got over in Orlando right now?

Speaker 5 (57:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (57:20):
No, First of all, shout out to Jamal Mosley Man.
They Orlando Magic. They did a great job on choosing
him because he paid his dues bro. So I'm happy
for him. He's done a phenomenal job with his staff
of knowing who's who. He knew Paulo was that guy.
And for me to play in that system, And like
I said, with Franz, he's hurt, he's injured as well.
He might be out for weeks, so he's injured as well.
But with those guys healthy, all I would have done

(57:42):
is just fed off those guys and whenever I needed
to take over the game, I would, but I would
let them know, hey, I got y'all back, and no
matter what, let's go win. And I would have been
the ultimate teammate. That's just who I was. I just
wanted to win, and you use that youth and that
talent and you just keep with him in the gym.
We would have gotten the gym a lot so that
they could learn who I was and who they were.
Then we would have watched film a lot just to
try to get them to understand what the league was

(58:04):
all about and how they could get an advantage on
being young guys against veteran guys or guys in the
league already. And Polo came in just to showing from
the beginning anyway, So that's what I would have done. Man,
it would have been fun to play with that group.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
What do you think is next?

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Like, obviously they gotta get healthy, and although I think
they're having a great year, I don't quite think they're
at that contender level yet.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
What do you think needs to happen for that team?

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Obviously those two guys are staples not going anywhere and
be there for the next ten years if they want
to be.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
But what do you think that team needs.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
To do in order to continue to take that next
jump and take advantage of these young guys, Like you
want to take advantage of these guys while they don
low salaries, because once the salaries get too big, you
start having to pluck pieces and Franz just got paid.

Speaker 6 (58:52):
Paulo will Yeah. I think what you have to do
is you got to get smart vets. The guys like
back in the day was like a James Posey or
Tony Allen or or David West, like David West, Scott,
you know like that that are true professionals that know
how to win, that still have enough game, that can
get in the game and kind of help manage them,
kind of help understand that I'm gonna take the best

(59:14):
forward in the game. If I'm a forward, you take
the second level forward and watch how I do this.
If I'm a guard that comes in, let me take
the high level guard. You take that and just kind
of teach them how to win. And I think that's
the next level for Orlando. And it's beautiful city. Is
Orlando is made with all the offer they don't get bests.
They want to go there, and I understand, but in
another way, I don't because this team is up and coming,

(59:36):
but they're gonna need some somebody that can get down
there and kind of recruit vets in there. When I
was in Orlando, the Orlando Magic hired doctor j. Julius
Irvin to come in to try to help recruit some
vets in there. Man and doctor J did a great job.
So they need some guys. They can get some bets
in there. The goal you can't go all young.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Yeah, they need some blue guys, blue guys. I agree
with that. I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
That's that's a problem around the Lee.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
A lot of places people start getting rid of vets
because the tax you know, penetrations so big, and that
three million dollars that a van will make as opposed
to the million dollars ends up costing fourteen million dollars
as opposed to two and a half, and people start
getting rid of vets. But I think the effect that
it has on these organizations, like you can say that

(01:00:23):
fourteen million dollars if you want to, and don't get
me wrong, fourteen million dollars is a lot of money.
But in the grand scheme of these teams, you can
try to say that fourteen million dollars if you want to,
But your young guys end up turning into guys.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
That never learn how to do it on their own.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
They have to then go get with somebody else because
they didn't have a vet to show them how to
do it right. So then they go get the game
and then it's like, oh, I got the game now,
all right now, but you kind of miss your window,
you know what I'm saying. Like Steph is Steph because
he was able to push through that window when he

(01:01:01):
got the opportunity in year five, you know, and like
you start looking at guys who did it and push
through their windows. They probably had some great vessel runs.
Like we had incredible vests, you know when I speak
of Steph. We had Boget was great, uh, you know,
d Lea, but we had Jared Jack come through there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
We had Jermaine O'Neill come through there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
We had.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Uh, Richard Jefferson comes like, we had great vets come
through there. And David West came in and even though
we had one championship, said we were still young, so
we were still get wild. D Wes Andre come in
the game. They settled the game down, like we needed that.
Although we had one championship before, it was like, yeah,
we know how to win and we got to skill,

(01:01:44):
but we needed those young We come out there with
me and Steph be fucking throwing it out the bottles.
I thought and he going that way, he'd ran out
of the way. Like but you know, to your point
of passing them opens Sometimes that happens, you know, and
like they come in and it's like who all right,
now there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
You know these teams don't have that and it's a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
That that hurts me deeply man.

Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
Watching I was at a Aces game this summer and
I was sitting next to John Wall.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
That just doesn't sit well with me.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (01:02:12):
I know what happened in Washington, Bro, but this man
can help a team just for that main reason, long
as the veterans understand when you come in there what
it's all about. Yep, I think that he deserved. What
if people was in Orlando to try to help out
those young guards. I'm just saying, I'm just giving names.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:02:26):
It's just to me, they're just not a lot of knowledge. Man,
it's like you need to knowledge.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
You got it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Yeah, when you got the knowledge, the story it is relatable.
Sometimes you just can't relate to that young coach you
just got out of college and just want to, you know,
watch films and get rebounds for you need somebody that
got stories or can watch the film and tell you
what's coming or how you fit in or know you
ain't that you are more like this, you know what

(01:02:55):
I mean. And so having that insight kind of you
kind of lose that, you know, with the VET, with
not having a VET in the room, and so.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
That young dude, he don't develop.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
He wind up getting training, get training, get traded, and
then it's you know, luck of the jaw for some
of these really young talented kids to find that team
at some point and stick. And you know, it's just
not having veterans who can identify if they're gonna be.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
Good or not, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Like sometimes a coach shut out, man, he gonna be
all right, I got him, you know what I mean.
And you need that personal care and that's not being exemplified.
I don't think hardly any of these rosters. But that's
the difference between, you know, the teams that want to
win championships and develop young talent and the teams that
want to stand in the middle.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
Of the Yeah, for sure, sure, no doubt, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
And just speaking of vets, obviously, like you said, been
at Memphiss two thousand eighteen, it's a dream where you're
still to coach in the NBA at some point.

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
Yeah, for sure, I definitely want to coach an NBA. Man.

Speaker 6 (01:04:08):
I get my juices flooring when I sit in the arena,
when you gave me those seats, I'm just watching y'all going, Man,
I could because I feel like I can help a
lot of young guys, Drake, because I know the game.
I played the game. They still respect my brand and
who I am. I feel like my game is my
coaching is really built more for the NBA. In college,
I'm happy to be here because I'm home. It's come
full circle. I love my city, I love my school.

(01:04:30):
But ultimately, I've mentioned this before, I want to be
in the NBA. I don't know whether that's going to be,
but I want to help help somebody win. I want
to help players get better. I want to be a
part of something, whether it's it's just starting or whether
it's on the customer winning the championship. I'm find either way, man,
because I'm a grinder. So definitely want to coach an NBA.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Yeah, I definitely want to see you in the league. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Oh yeah, City.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
I mean just I feel like your knowledge with the pros,
you know what, I mean, and just you know, insight
with the pros and you know, even watching men, it's
just your concepts, like all of those are pro schemes,
pro concepts, and you need professionals.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
And man, if you can work with the talent, you know,
professional high level talent and get in today's psyche and
give them what you got, like, that's what the league needs,
you know what I mean. And these coaches that have
been there, coaches who have played, you know, and coaches
who have paid their dues that's been around these young kids,

(01:05:27):
someone like you who got endless amount of stories and.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
You lived it. You know what I'm saying. You're like
you you are really about this life.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
I would love to see that, you know, with top
tier talent, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
I just think it's about building relationships with the guys
because when I get there, because I'm going to be there,
It's just about building a relationship with the young studs
like Apollo and those guys, you know, And it's it's
something that I enjoy me. I'm a ball I'm a
gym rat. I'm a ball guy. I live in the gym.
I love the gym. I told that to the Orlando
Magic a couple of years ago. I am a gym

(01:06:02):
rat bro. I love it like a kaminga. You know
those guys, man, it's just to watch film, to talk
to them every day, to be a part of their lives.
All these guys that have the ability to go to
the next level that enfranchise is waiting on. I said
this to a GM a couple of years ago. That's
a good friend of mine. I was like, man, whenever
I come, I'm coming hard because I'll be excited. I'll
be It'll be like being a rookie to me all

(01:06:23):
over again, because I would be as coaching. But I'll
bring so much to the table with those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
So I'm from sagon Off, Michigan, and I've always heard
stories about I don't know the history, but I know
at one point your agent was.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
From saging On.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
Yeah, yeah, the Posting Brothers.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Absolutely, and I saw.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
I've always heard these stories about and I, and then
I try to incorporate it with my own knowledge and
my own experiences. I know in signing with Nike, for
most guys, Nike owns the logo that then goes on
your shoe. I was always told that you through your
agent y'all came up with the idea of the one

(01:07:07):
cent logo and that you owned your own logo. And
then I want to say, is that true? And if so,
what was the idea being that, because that one penny legendary.

Speaker 6 (01:07:21):
I'm going to be very honest, Nike owns one percent
more than me. They owned, they owned the logo. But
it's like, I'm right there, so it's not like I
own my own logo. I wish And I was talking
about this in my agents some years ago, and because
MJ the way he gets it done, I was like, man,
I should have tried to get my own logo and
own but now he's so smart.

Speaker 5 (01:07:41):
They've been a blessing to me. Bro. You know how
Nike is.

Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
Man, it's the first class, first class all the way,
still making my shoes. But I wish I owned my
own logo, but I own them. But I own a
lot of it, oh god, percentage of it. But it's
it's just a marriage. That to me, that just bitch man,
because they put me on the map, you know, along
with my game, and they pumped me out there and
they did what they had to do, so that I
wish your story was true. It's still you know, on

(01:08:08):
a large majority, I don't own the entire entire logo.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
That's incredible. I love ni Man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
I gotta I gotta ask about Little Penny since we
on the one.

Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
Little Penny was crazy.

Speaker 10 (01:08:22):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:08:22):
It's just it was this advertising agency that worked for
Nike called Whiton and Kennedy, and man, they came up
Stacey Wall as the guy's name. They came up with
the alter ego because I was just a silent assassin
and Little Penny was. He was a ship talker, he
was a guy anybody was last night. He ain't gonna
say it, but I'm gonna tell you my man is
about to bust you up. So that worked out, man,

(01:08:43):
And to me, it was comedy because it was Chris Rock.
And I heard that they went after Martin Lawrence back
in the day. I heard that they went after uh,
Damon Waims, maybe even Will Smith. Maybe you know those guys.
But when Chris Rock wasn't the Chris Rock at the time,
he took it out. I think it's not a better
poic for that character.

Speaker 7 (01:09:02):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
He took it to another level.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
He made it feel like that was like your real homeboy,
you know what I mean. Like we felt like Little
Penny was like, hey man, that gotta be his potna.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
He gotta be made out for like one of your
best friends.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
And like, yeah, shut up and be quiet that that
that character is I mean utterly iconic. You know me
as a you know, entertainer, a writer, a creator. Man,
I look at that Little Penny as a reference for
you know a lot of things that you know I
do creatively.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
But I mean as far as like the dynamic that shit.

Speaker 6 (01:09:37):
Man, they did a phenomenal job, bro phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
The pool party, Dog.

Speaker 6 (01:09:44):
Super Bowl party, Pool party, Tyer Banks, the whole deal.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
The Tyron Banks. That was crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:09:50):
That was crazy, bro out the Nike man, Phil Knight,
I got that's legendary.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Top five point guards ever, we like a good this
Top five point guards from down.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (01:10:07):
I'm talking about magic because that's my guy. I'm putting
Steph in there for sure. It's tough for me, man,
because so many.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Gets tough and something.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
Throw my boy GP in there because he played both
sides of it. I'm going to Gary.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
Payton absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
You gotta put Jake Kid in there. Jay gets tough.

Speaker 6 (01:10:29):
Man and I got so many guys, man, like.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
You got CP, you got John Stocks, and you got
Steve Nash. Steve uh.

Speaker 6 (01:10:41):
I'm thinking about all the dream teams here, man, I
might I might go.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
Steph Magic, Gary Payton, Jason.

Speaker 6 (01:10:53):
I know I'm in that five. But I'm just saying
the other person. I'm just saying me. That's why I'm leaving. Okay,
do that way. But I'm not slighting anybody else because
I'm a huge fan of a lot of people. Bro,
all those guys stocked in, all those guys, but you know,
you got to have someone that you know you like
more than othering. Those are my guys. Those guys that
I named so and they were all legends. They're all legends.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
Yeah, for sure, one thousand percent.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
It's I mean, the reality is those It's hard to
make a list, man, It's the NBA.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
It's the greatest players ever. Like, it's never going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Easy to make a list, and someone's always going to
be left off of somebody else's list.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
That's just the way it is.

Speaker 6 (01:11:33):
Yeah, because I know awful lot of guys list. They're
naming their guys, so it is what it is. But
I know they still respected my game. So it's all good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Last one before we get out of here. What do
you see for your Memphis basketball team achieving this year?
Y'all off to an incredible start, starting starting up conference play. Yeah,
what do you foresee for this group that you currently have?

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
Yeah, I got a special group of guys.

Speaker 6 (01:11:57):
Man. Obviously, making the NCAA Tournament's an one thing, and
when you get in the tournament, you know that anything
can happen. I'm the guy in my seventh year. Now,
I've gotten so much more wiser about how I see things.
I want to be the best team playing in March.
You know, I've never really said that. I've said I
want to make the NCAA Tournament, want to win a championship.
But I've learned to continue to grow every single day.

(01:12:17):
And once you get in you have as great a
chance to beat anybody on any given night. So I
give us a chance against anybody on any given night
when you have one day in between, you know. So
for me making the tournament, staying healthy and then being
the growing every single day and being the best team
in March, we can we can make some noise.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
Amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Oh gee, we appreciate.

Speaker 6 (01:12:40):
You, man, I appreciate y'all too, man, sure God, God
Man appreciate you, yes, sir. The volume

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