January 13, 2026 • 41 mins
The Texans were clearly the better team last night from the start.
Thoughts on the future of Mike Tomlin and Aaron Rodgers.
Jason Kelce is placing the blame for the Eagles loss to the 49ers in the wrong place.
The Bears-Packers feud is great for the NFL
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Tuesday. We are live.
We're in Chicago. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be,
however you may be watching or listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. The truth once the playoffs
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arrive always reveals itself. You can't trust the Jacksonville Jaguars
and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Our sears department store three point
one yards per play, lowest yards per play in the
last nine years in the playoffs, and they got turnovers.
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They get three times. Houston gave him opportunities thirteen total
first downs, awful on third down, couldn't run the ball again.
If the Steelers were just competent offensively, and I know
the Texans are good, but you had a ballgame. Pittsburgh's
longest drive in the second half twenty three yards. So
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they're not going to fire Mike Tomlin. Aaron's of course
going to always defend him. They have no young quarterback
for the future. It's one of the oldest rosters in
the league. The money's mostly spent on defense. Pittsburgh is
stuck in a mediocrity loop and they're never terrible, but
exceedingly average, and they've become so consumed with stability. Boy, hey,
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at least we're not Cleveland. Yeah, but either are the Chiefs,
the Rams of the Niners. And they take swings. I
mean a prime example of the Steelers. They go get
DK Metcalf and yet the Steelers are last in the
NFL with Aaron Rodgers in air yards per attempt. So
they buy a sports car and don't know how to
drive it. And it's not just about not winning a
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playoff game for nine years. I went and looked at
Mike Tomlin's last thirteen playoff games. There's six blowout losses.
In fact, in their last seven playoff games, they have
not led for a single snap in the second half
in any of them. The games aren't that competitive. You
thought last night was competitive. Start of the fourth you
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knew who the better team was. So there's there's an
old saying about you know, you can't save your way
to being wealthy just being content. And that's how I
feel about the Steelers. You know, they're there, they want
to be there. They're content, which to me just feels
like a weighted blanket. I just don't get it. There.
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You got to take swings, increase risk. We're going into
another season Aaron'll take off. They won't have any urgency
at quarterback. And it's actually the easy way out in
life to not offend anybody and be loyal to all
your employees. That is the easy way out in life.
It's hard to fire people. And I'm not insisting that
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you should fire Tom. It's not what I'm saying. He
get a TV job or another job in one second.
He's more than competent. Stop spending money on defense. Okay,
last night. It's like I know in Pittsburgh and I
get it. It's an old school, proud town that putting
fries and a sandwich is cool. But the rest of
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the country took the fries, moved him on a plate,
put parmesan cheese and truffle salt on them. That's what
the rest of us do. It's time to spend money
on offense. It's time to today work on getting your
next star quarterback, free agency, college, whatever you gotta do.
But I just I feel like, I mean, I suggested,
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remember this couple of years ago, oh outr. I was
mocked when I suggested TJ. Watt, still in his prime
before the injuries mount move him for two first round picks.
Pittsburgh's like, nah, we're gonna make him the highest paid
non quarterback in the league. A few more injuries, TJ.
Watt now aer and five in playoff games. You're grabbing
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on to the wrong stuff, spending way too much money
on defense. Every I mean again, you can be loyal
to your best employees, right. I'm not asking for anybody
to be fired here. It's not my thing. I was
surprised that John Harball was Harbaugh and Tomlin you can argue,
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you know, kind of the same resume. But it's like
bolt More is flexible, understands offense, spends on offense, drafts
and develops. They're trying new stuff, the new coordinators, new things.
I never feel like Baltimore's outdated. They just couldn't beat
Mahomes or Josh Allen. So Aaron Rodgers after the game,
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asked about his future as a Steeler.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I'm not going to make any emotional decisions. Disappointed, you know, obviously,
I'm such a fun.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Year league and he wanted to be here.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I'm not going to talk about that.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Eric Hunt, do you approach just what you decide to
do next?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
They just get away and then then I have the
right conversations.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Okay, So Aaron's going to disappear for a while. He
did that in his prime. He's certainly going to do
it now. It's his life. Hall of Famer, first ballot,
smart guy, he's got a big broad life. You're going
to disappear, and Mike Tomlin's not getting fired, and they're
gonna downplay they've got any concern about quarterback issues, but
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they will continue to be a team that is not
a viable Super Bowl organization. They won't be now now. Aaron,
and I guess to his credit, he was pretty feisty
on the bench last night. He was obviously not happy.
He defended Mike Tomlin after I want you to listen
to this.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Mike t'z had more success and damn near anybody in
the league you know, from for the last nineteen twenty
years and more than that that. When you have the
right guy and the culture is right, you don't think
about making a change. But there's a lot of pressure
that comes from the outside, and obviously that sways decisions
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from time to time. But it's not how I would
do things, and not how the league used to be.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Okay, let me stop right there. It's not what the
league used to be. That's right. The NFL's now smarter, shrewd,
and more offense. The league isn't what it used to be,
but the Steelers are. They spend all their money on defense,
So you know what the league is now. It's not
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what it was when Tomlin took over the Steelers. We're
just a good defense in a run game, got you
to a Super Bowl and won it. Now it's about
offensive coaches, it's about quarterbacks and passing games. It's about
spending your money at left tackle, quarterback, two weapons, maybe
even a center, not on a second pass rusher. So
that mindset that Aaron just voiced is precisely why the
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Steelers steel outdated. The last nine Super Bowl champs nine
for nine have top ten offenses. The Steelers once again
this year twenty sixth on offense. For a city that
worships bridges, Pittsburgh needs to cross one. It's time to
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change the way you're doing business.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
J C.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Penny were cool. Now we all shop online like you
got to stop the money on the other side. So
the NFL is richer. General managers are younger and very aggressive.
Howie roseman less need go look around now. The best
gms are young and they're taking big risks, and they're
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very busy at the trade deadline. I mean, I'll give
you credit for DK metcalf and at the same time
George Pickens left, and I'm not sure who's already better
this year. It was Pickens. So and I don't buy
into well the league was better years ago. No, it wasn't.
It's safer now, it's smarter now. The gms are less
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risk averse, so you know, I'm just I'm looking at
Aaron Rodgers against playoff teams this season, and I thought
Aaron played very very well. I defended Aaron. Everybody is
my witness the entire year. But the judge of team
not how you were against the Bengals without Joe Burrow
or the cruddy Browns and the AFC this year was
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weaker this year. Even Aaron Rodgers against playoff teams had
a passer rating of seventy was one in five. That's
with Aaron, who I thought played really well most of
the year. I really did based on what I saw
as last year in Green Band with the Jets, I
thought Aaron played very well except against the good teams.
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And you could watch Aaron's body language on the first
drive last night. He got upset with a teammate. He
was upset on the bench last night and I said,
Steelers are offensive quicksand Aaron just stepped into it, and
to his credit, he elevated this team. Aaron deserves a
lot of credit for forty two years old. I thought
he played really well. They don't have a number two receiver.
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DK Metgoff got himself in trouble, had to miss two
big games run game. I like Jalen Warren. The old
line was better than I thought. Some of that goes
to credit Arthur Smith and Aaron Rodgers. But the last
DINE Super Bowl champs nine for nine, top ten offenses.
The world has pivoted. It's pivoted, and that city that
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worships bridges, they are just struggling to cross it to
the other side. All right, J Matt, congratulations you hit
your first bet of the weekend. I know you were
freaking out last night. You know, It's funny the whole
second half. I'm like, the Texans are the better team.
The Texans are gonna win this game. But Pittsburgh did
this all year long. They just sort of hung around
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in games where they couldn't generate much offense. So it
was at least, you know, fourth quarter was entertaining for
a while.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Happy to get aside. Right, the Texas defense took over.
I just don't know what they're gonna have going into
New England without Nico Collins. That concussion look brutal. I
can't imagine a scenario where he plays. The defense is awesome,
but Colin that offense. What has happened to CJ.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Shroud?
Speaker 6 (10:52):
I mean that guy has regressed since his rookie year.
I'm not seeing it.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Well, thank God for what he and Christian Kirk Chris
Bidon Kirk.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Did you know Christian Kirk was the leading receiver on
Wild Card Weekend? Most yards of any receiver or tight
end was Christian. It was a.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Texas A and M kid, and that I think he went
to like an Arizona bounced around. He actually works in Houston. Yeah, yeah, no,
that's right, Jacksonville. He works in Houston. Had a great
night for him. So some thoughts about Philadelphia. A former Eagle,
A former Eagle is defending the wrong people. We'll talk
about that next.
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Jason Kelsey is not only a proud former Philadelphia Eagle,
he's probably the second or third best safe center that's
ever played the game. He passionately blamed the Eagle players
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for their loss. He said, we just we just didn't
make our guys highest paid a lot of money on offense,
we didn't make plays. I disagree. When a department in
your company isn't a death spiral, it's on management. Okay,
the Eagles offense has been circling the drain for nine months.
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That's on that's on the offensive coordinator or the head coach. Okay,
the players, these same expensive guys last year were crushing
it because they had Kellen Moore who went to the Saints,
and the Saints off defense this year, what Tyler shuck
was better than this offense In Philadelphia, managers and department
heads and that's what OC is. They control things like
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game plans, game design in your job, or mind talent acquisition.
This is not I mean, my take on Philadelphia all
year is what is the offense? I don't know half
to half. Hasslbeck Matt Hasselbeck talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
I do have a problem with identity, and you know,
to me, the identity of this team has to go
through Saquon. You know, the last five games, Saquon was
pretty darn good. What the Eagles had been doing in
the past was so so good, and what they've been
doing I would say for the last like year and
a half, it just feels like they're trying to be
something that they're not. And so, you know, whatever they
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wanted to be, like, go be that. But to me,
Saquon's got to be a part of it, and that
physicality upfront that needs to be a part of it
as well.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
And just take Ben Johnson, what he did week one
with the Bears when he got the job created accountability,
was tough on his quotaback publicly, privately, accountability to everybody,
cleaned up the negative plays, went sat down with Ryan
Poles and said, I'll take the job if you fix
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the interior or the old line. I mean a real imprint,
a plan of attack. I don't know what Philly is.
I know Nick Sirianni's very dependent on the skill of
the oc. There's a picture I think it was from
like HBO or something. There was a picture in a
meeting of the Philadelphia Eagles this year and sorry for
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the radio audience, but it talks exclusively about negative plays
or turnovers. Can't turn the ball over, don't turn the
ball over. We went if we don't turn the ball over. Yeah,
that can't be. That can't be front and center. You
know who turns the ball over all the time? The Niners,
the team that just ended your season with sixty percent
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of their money banged up all year. You know who
else turns them all over a lot? The Seahawks number
two in the league, number one seed, who didn't have
to play last weekend. You know who else turns it over?
Last seven games? Seven picks. Matt Stafford Rams are favored
on the road against Chicago. Offense is about creativity, ingenuity,
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and risk. You can't you can't be paralyzed, but can't
turn it over. You don't want to turn it over.
You don't want to turn it over, especially in the
red zone. But the year Stafford won the Super Bowl,
he led the NFL in picks and Peyton manning for
about a seven year period as he was winning his
division led over seven years the league in picks and
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farv had a lot of picks and Elway had a
lot of picks. And it's okay, it can't be front
and center. So I just I always say this, what
are you? You can see it on TV? How well
the Indiana Hoosiers are coach. You can see it. I
can see it. I watched Philadelphia when I'm asking, I'm
not sure what they are with all that talent. That's
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not don't blame the employees. That's on management. A head
coach is basically your CEO. The coordinators are department heads.
Vic Fangio. That department's humming right down the hallway, Kevin
the OC his isn't. I'm not blaming the players for
that because all those guys were great last year with
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Kellen Moore, J McK with the.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
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Speaker 6 (16:45):
Not good in Philly, also not good in Houston. Despite
the win last night, Colin, I mean CJ. Stroud was
a complete disaster. He fumbled five times. Now he only
lost two of them, but it's like he couldn't control
the snap. I've never seen anything like it before. CJ
talked about it after the game.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
Yes, some problems with the snaps, me catching them. You know,
got to find a way just to catch him and
then take care of the ball. You know, we knew
off tape that they did a good job of you know,
plushing at the ball or trying to you know, get
you to while you're throwing. It's all about you know,
moving forward and you know trying your best to you know,
flush it and keep going. So you know, I thought,
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you know, when every time we had a bounce back,
you know, we made more plays.
Speaker 9 (17:27):
So I mean, I'm.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
Proud of our Gosh, we're having a little bit of
resilience in those moments, and you know, to finish the
game like that was really dope.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Now let me defend him here. Pittsburgh knew. There's two
moments that you really knew. Pittsburgh knew they were not
going to have drives in this game. The first reason
I can tell that is statistically, nobody moves the ball
down the field consistently against the Texans, and the Steelers
knew it. If you looked at Aaron Rodgers how animated
he got on that first series, they had a couple
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of nice plays and then they failed to get the
first that Aaron was animated. Aaron's like, okay, we're giving
you best stuff. This is one of the drives we
had to score on. The Second thing is Mike Tomlin
preached all week we need turnovers. We've got to have
a short field, So you could tell Pittsburgh. The messaging
in that building all week was we got to punch
the ball out. We have got to create I mean
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that you could tell and I could tell from Aaron's
body language. First drive is they knew they weren't gonna
move the ball much. They knew it. That's why Aaron
got so animated after drive number one. That were two
of the three plays that probably Arthur Smith and Aaron
knew would work, and they did. So I'm gonna defend him.
Is I still really am a fan like I defend
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Justin Herbert and CJ strike. That was a really bad throw. Yeah,
that was a really bad throw. By the way, Stafford
had one last weekend, uh brock perty had two picks.
One was atrocious. This week it happens the game is fast.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
All right, Well, I mean, look fine, I'll give you
some of the excuses though the fumbles Colin. I honestly,
when it was seven to six, after he throws the
red zone pick, it's third down two, It's like, dude,
settle for the field goal. Don't force that nonsense. I
wondered if they would consider turning to Davis Mills, who,
by the way, was solid mid season filling in for
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an injured Stroud or can cuss Shroud Now they have
to play at New England. Colin, I'm just gonna.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Ask you this.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
You know I like ranking stuff, right, It's fun. My
family jokes to me about I like ranking stuff. If
I'm ranking the quarterbacks in the divisional round, CJ. Stroud,
I think he's gotta be behind Caleb Williams. I'm sorry.
Caleb Williams had a better season than c J. Stroud,
And I don't know if Stroud is seven or eight.
I don't have a lot of confidence him in in
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him going to New England. But I do like their defense.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Oh, it's there's nothing not to It's.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Better than the Chargers defense.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
And Drake may like couldn't move the ball, sack five times, like, yeah,
the under twenty one.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I saw the number forty one.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I'd take the under. I think it's gonna be super
low scoring.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
Yeah. Let's move on to Justin Herbert and those LA Chargers,
still licking their wounds after that embarrassing beatdown at the
hands of the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Herbert's catching flack.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
On the inner webs from the keyboard jockeys who are
coming after him.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Well defensive end.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Khalil Mack says everyone is to blame, not just Justin Herbert.
Speaker 10 (20:20):
He wants he wants to be gay for us in
this organization, and we all want to be great for him.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And he's not into the law.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
He's not in it by itself.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, it's c J. Stroud and Herbert. You know, I
like both. They didn't have good days. I'm I'm not
selling my stock. I think they're still very good, big, accurate,
strong guys that sometimes get into a bad turnover space.
But at least I'm consistent. I defend Arnold this weekend.
I defended brock Perty who had two bad picks. I
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would much rather have my quarterback try to extend plays.
And I mean that's what Herbert gets in Trump and CJ. Stroud.
They're trying to extend plays. They got guys hanging off
of them.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
And I look at the offensive lineman in that video.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
They're they're just standing there playing Patty Cake as justin
Herbert's getting destroyed.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I mean, Colin, it was.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
It was sad to watch. I'll say Herbert had a
rough game. It happens he wasn't great losing Hampton or
maybe maybe They didn't think Hampton was gonna play much.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
They had no run game, no wide receiver separating. I
don't know. I mean, you talk mock draft.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
I know the Chargers need O line, but Colin they
need a stud receiver they I mean, if they can
somehow get Carnell Tate, I can't imagine he'll be there,
or the kid Tyson.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
They just need a game breaker.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, well that I think more than that, I think
they have Trey Harris and Quinton Johnson and Ladd McConkey
and the Marion Hampton.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
What happened to them against the paper? Were they against
the pay Street again?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Guard? Center guard? They need protection. It all starts with
Herbert having more than one point six seconds of a
clean pocket.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
All right.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Final story is The Athletic is reporting that John Harbaugh
had lunch and an informal meeting at Giants owner Chris
Mara's home about the open head coaching position. Harball's reportedly
the giants number one target. The only team that has
officially interviewed him is the Falcons. I don't know that
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that's a great fit. Horriball's obviously a really good coach.
He's expected to meet with other teams later this week.
Fox's own Jay Glazers all over this stuff. I think
it's going to be the Giants. I'm not totally buying
the Dolphins. Colin, what do you make of this? You
know Harball, he's the bell of the ball.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Everybody wants them.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, I think if I was the Giants, I'd be
incredibly excited. If I was Harbor. I wish there was
a better opening than the Giants.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Well is there is there a better one?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Atlanta is interesting but not ideal? There is no great
opening mission. Well there is Baltimore. Baltimore is your great
opening stop.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Why is Atlanta not ideal?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Who's your quarterback?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Pennix?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Is he proven? I mean he's good, not as a
pro quarterback yet, No, he's not.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
He's a good prospect. Can I adjust that?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
That's not why John Harball got into this league to
deal with prospects, right like he had He had Flacco,
then he had Lamar. Pennix does not match up to
those two. So there's no Atlanta's got stable ownership and
some really nice pieces. The Giants are in this cycle.
Ravens is the best job. And there's an argument now
that Sean McDermott won. The second best job is the Giants.
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Jackson Dart appears to be to me a solid franchise quarterback.
Scataboo is a number one back. Left tackle. They got
to get a right tackle. They have got to draft
their their draft pick, get a right tackle and keep
Jackson Dart out of the blue tent. And the other
thing is the Giants at nauseum. I've discussed this. The
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Giants need a culture changer, not just to play caller.
I could argue the Ravens need a play caller, Kevin Stefanski.
They need somebody to get right with Lamar right, he
keeps for siints. Get right with Lamar. Get on Lamar's side.
The Giants, it's not about play calling. You can go
hire one of those guys. They need a guy to
change the awful ten year abyss known as their culture.
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And I think hardball's absolutely as good as the Giants
can do.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
So what if I let's compare Atlanta and the Giants
real quick. So Drake London is better than neighbors. We
know that Drake start with a quarterback. Okay, fine, we'll
give Jackson Dart the edge. We'll give you that line
a wash.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I don't know that there's a major advantage for the Giants.
It wasn't great.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Jon Robinson is Argua with the best running back in
the league.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Kim's gotta who's nice.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Bijon is a superstar, maybe a franchise tag pits. You see,
he's got an offense.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
You see the world differently than me. I think about
my boss Falcons better owner period. I got a better
owner and Arthur Blank. I play indoors all right, so
I can control the environmental Lamore. I plan a weaker
division in Atlanta. That's great, But in the end, I
get Jackson Dart. I mean, Jackson Dart is a starting quarterback.
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Atlanta's got the owner, Atlanta's got the easier division. I'm
not denying that, and Bjean's great, but I get Jackson Dart.
I have plenty of offensive components. And by the way,
I don't think the division outside of Philadelphia. And if
Nick Sirianni retains his job, Cowboys Washington Adam Peters is
rubbing people the wrong way. But to me, I want
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weapons and a quarterback and edge rushers. The Giants have
an elite edge rusher, quarterback, running back, left tackle, weapon
that that's about as good as it's going to get.
I do think Arthur Blank is the Atlanta edge.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
I think they I think they'll probably let Harball pick
his GM right because they got rid of their old GM.
So the Giants have Joe Shane still in place, I
mean owner, but you're.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Talking, you're bouncing around to a lot of places. The
owner for Atlanta is in play. That matters. But I
mean last year Michael Pennix. First of all, he's twenty six,
coming off another injury.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
That's a concern.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
That a concern. I mean, one guy's going into the
blue tent jackson Dark, he's coming out of the blue
tent reay to play. The other guy's just not available.
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
J McK with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping that. The Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Really our last herd hierarchy for a long time, is
coming up at the top of the hour. Eight teams left.
We'll rank them one through eight. So a lot was
made this weekend of two things. Some local reporter sucking
up to Liam Coleman Jacksonville. I don't know why that
was so interesting to so many people. I've been in
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media rooms when I was younger, at twenties thirties, that happens.
You know, it's not that crazy, and nobody really cares
outside of the media. The second thing is the f bombs.
Ben Johnson was screaming in the locker room after the
Bears beat the Packers, and I gotta be honest with you,
I don't care like Michigan Ohio State hate each other.
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That's why I love watching it. Angel Reese, Caitlin Clark,
we finally watched the WNBA. I'm all for this stuff. Conflict, intention,
and animosity is what every Hollywood screenwriter is trying to
figure out. I'm okay with Ben Johnson is doing something,
and what he's doing is building a fence. That fence
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is us against green Bay. We're smarter than green Bay.
We're tougher than green Bay. We're better in the fourth
quarter than green Bay. We're more resilient than green Bay.
And you know what in one year they were. They
were smarter, they were more resilient, they were better in
the fourth quarter. Yes, it's a little petty, what emms
Belichick still petty? Okay, So to me, you know, the
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reality is most successful people. I'm talking professionally the most
successful people I've met in my life. I mean, honestly,
they're a little petty and they're ridiculously competitive. I mean,
that's just the way it is. A lot of coach
Jim Harball. Remember the hard slap to Jim Schwartz's back.
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Remember Pete Carroll when he was at USC and Harball
was at Stanford and Harball, you know, I don't know
what happened the interaction during the game, but Pete Carroll
came up at the end of the game and game, Hey,
what's your deal? And Harball was like, just competing, right, Pete,
just competing. You can't worry about it. I mean, to me,
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what Ben Johnson tried to do is bill a And
if it takes a little hate, I'm okay with it.
Bill A fence around the Bears. We're gonna be tougher,
we're gonna be better in the fourth quarter, We're gonna
be more resilient, we're gonna fight harder. And that's exactly
what I saw. That's exactly what I saw in the
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Green Bay game. So if it takes a little hate
to get there, whatever whatever it takes to galvanize. I
always said it's really it really does matter what your
head coaches like. I think Mike McDaniel's really smart. Mike Vrabel,
Mike Tomlin, the Harbaughs, those are alphas. That is a
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locker room of fifty five dudes that that scored the touchdown,
got the girl. People pick up their check. They're tough guys,
NFL locker room. And if if the coach is taking
a shirt off and dropping some f bombs, we in
the media get over it. I got to get over it.
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They're doing this. I mean all these movies. It always
cracks me up. Most of us would not. Michael Jordan's
the best basketball player of all time. But Michael Jordan
did not treat his teammates well. But we we glamorize
the athlete who punches a teammate. We glamorize Michael Michael
Jordan's Night Sue and NASCAR. Michael Jordan's tough teammates didn't
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like Michael Jordan. That's what created his competitive fire. To
this day, Michael still competitive on a golf course. The
late Kobe Bryant, same thing. Why can't coaches be like
I again? Danny Parkins joked about it yesterday. Less hate
in the world more Hayden sports like this is what
this is what motivates a lot of guys. I can't
speak for women. It's what motivates a lot of professional men.
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It could be Silicon Valley, Wall Street, NFL locker rooms.
And here's Ben Johnson this week on having no love
for Green Bay.
Speaker 10 (30:35):
There's a rivalry that exists between these two teams, something
that that I fully recognize and I'm a part of.
And yeah, I mean there's I just I don't like
that team. So George and I have talked and we're
on the same page.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I'm okay with it, I really am. I mean, it's
it's heard hierarchy, the last one, top of the hour.
So I looked at the eight playoff teams left and
seven of eight and maybe it's eight of eight, but
I think seven of eight have something in common and
it's not a great quarterback. And I hope all those
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teams out there that currently stink are watching what seven
of eight and maybe eight of eight have. Again, it's
not the quarterback that's next in Chicago, it's the hurt.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
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Speaker 1 (32:01):
So as we've put on the screen the matchups for
this weekend's NFL playoffs, here's what I see. I see
Sean Peyton against Mike McDonald, Vrabel against Dimiko Ryans McVeigh
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against Ben Johnson, Shanny Mike McDonald, and then Sean Payton
against Josh Allen. Let's be honest, in seven of eight,
I see the coach. That's what I see seven of eight.
And I'm not saying Sean McDermott is not a good coach.
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I think the other seven are like, really really uniquely
special coaches. All eight of those coaches. By the way,
if you combine, they're winning percentage at sixty one percent
higher than Bill Walsh. What they have in common this
weekend is not great quarterback. We're not quite sure what
bo Nicks is yet. It's not quarterback. Has brought pretty
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great or does he have a great coach. And again
McDermott's a good coach. McDermott is a good coach. Nobody
disputes that. I think Mike McDonald is the defensive version
of Sean McVay, Shanahan McVeigh, Ben Johnson, Sean Payton. So
what this weekend is, it's not about the quarterback. It's
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an instruction to all the crappy teams in this league
called the Jets and the Giants and the Titans in Cleveland,
don't go cheap on the head coach. Go spend money
on the head coach. By the way, when the Titans
let go of Mike Vrabel, do you know what the
record is since six and twenty eight when the Niners
fired Jim Harbaugh seventeen and forty seven the next four years. So, Baltimore,
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I know you think you can just fire John Harbaugh
and is all going to be good. Be very careful
firing a guy who's the leading candidate in the coaching
pool all which, by the way, Kevin Stefanski was. I
said when Stefanski there was rumors he would get fired,
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I said, he will be the number one candidate, not
for a team for sixteen and he was immediately and
then John Harbaugh got fired and now Stefanski at worst
is number two. So you know, I didn't say he'd
interview for a job. I said, no, No, Stefanski's gonna
interview every single job. He'll be the number one candidate.
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And I would argue there are those that think, because
he's an offensive coach, that maybe he still is the
number one candidate. He's already had a couple of interviews,
reportedly aced both of them, so be careful about firing
the best candidate in the coaching pool. So that's what
I see this weekend. That that's what I see this weekend.
That is not a knock on McDermott. I know it
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sounds like it, but even Matt Hasselbeck said this yesterday.
When you think of the Bills, I think one guy,
Josh Allen.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
He literally is superman, Like if the MVP was really
just the MVP, not like whose team was the best
and you had the best stats, like.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Josh Allen's the MVP. He is that guy.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
He can put a cape on and carry his team.
He's done it year after year. But this is a
huge opportunity for Buffalo with you know, no Lamar, no Burrough,
no Mahomes in the playoffs, like, this is your opportunity
to throw the cape on. It doesn't matter if your
defense can't stop the run. They do other things well,
they're creating interceptions, they're playing well enough. This is your opportunity.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, it's one of those things. There's a lot of
jobs that people make great money. They're compensated. I think
we all think that teachers should be paid a little more.
But whenever I hear people go college football coach, how
can he be worth this? Or how can he be
or an NFL or an NBA coach, football coaches go, Look,
you don't have eight great defenses this weekend. You don't
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have eight great offenses this weekend. You don't have eight
great quarterbacks this weekend. You have seven great coaches. And
mcdermot's really good. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he is great.
Maybe he went to Super Bowl and I'm wrong. I mean,
if he's if he goes to Denver and wins, maybe
he's great coach and I'm just wrong. Maybe it was
always about Mahomes and Andy Reid, but look at all
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those teams. The Rams don't even have good special teams.
The Texas don't have a good offense, has brought pretty
a great quarterback er bo Nick. It's all excellent coaching.
So the Lakers last night just got housed one twenty four,
one twelve, And I laughed at this number. I did
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not I did not watch the game. I saw highlights.
I watched ten minutes this morning on YouTube. Sacramento shot
sixty five from three. That's that's like, that's like an
off night at the free throw line. So and this
is one hundred percent on roster construction. It has been
a three and league for a decade. They got no
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great three shooters, and they have absolutely bottom three team
in the league on the d part. Outside of Jared Vanderbilt,
they don't have any versaal defenders with length. They just don't.
So you can blame JJ Reddick. Every time I go
to the interweb, I go to x it's always JJ Reddick.
The Lakers are thirteen and one in clutch games, best
(37:25):
in the league. So if you give JJ Reddick a
close game late, he is unbelievable. But he can't keep
the games close. Thirteen of their fourteen losses they get
their doors blown off, and it's probably a bad sign
when your best three point shooter is the coach. And
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unless JJ Reddick's gonna pull a late Bill Russell and
go player coach, they don't have enough shooters. So and again,
it has been a three and D league for a
long time. It's not a center league. I talked about
this a couple of weeks ago. Between Jokic, Jannis and Embiid,
probably the three best centers in the last decade. You
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got two rings in thirty four total years. It's not
a center league. Titles don't go through bigs. It's not
the seventies or eighties or nineties. They go through wing
defenders and wing scorers. So here's my prediction. Rob Polenka,
Kobe's former agent, has become GM and now the new
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Dodger owners have made him GM and head of basketball operations,
right President. Rob's smart, he's a good communicator, he's a
deal maker. He's a little thin skin for my taste,
but whatever. Nobody likes to be criticized, and he gets criticized.
But I do think he's a smart guy, a very
good communicator, and he's a good deal maker. The Luca
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thing is one of the top five or six deals
had a very Jerry westfield to it. So I'll defend
Rob Polink. I think he's more than capable. But I
will say this, if you look at the Dodgers' front office, now,
this is unbelievable. I apologize to the radio audience. Look
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at the Dodgers front office. I mean they've got eleven
vice presidents. The Lakers, Rob Polinka is the president Basketball
Ops GM and then Kurt Rambus does basketball affairs. The
new Dodgers owners, who now own the Lakers, have to
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massively expand the front office. Move move Rob Polenka to
just basketball ops president, Get him out of Dusseldorf, get
him out of grinding tape, get him out of that space.
(39:49):
If you want to win, look at the Philadelphia Eagles
front office and look at the Bengals. They were, the
Lakers have been. They're under managed, and I everybody wants
to blame JJ Reddick. He's thirteen and one in close
games and people can bang on Rob Polenka. And I
don't love the roster construction either. But the Bus family
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was one of the poorest ownership groups. They don't have
enough eyes, they don't have enough ears, they don't have
enough people. JJ Reddick on last night's embarrassing loss to
awful Sacramento.
Speaker 9 (40:23):
Literally, we can't make a shot. I mean you look
at it. First of all, they're right there with us
as being one of the worst shooting teams in the league.
Had fifty potential assists tonight we converted on twenty one
of those. Expected score We won by twenty four. Like
this has been the theme. You know, it has been
the theme.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
So just.
Speaker 9 (40:44):
Keep shooting.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
I guess again, you can blame the coach. There's nothing
you can do when you're getting blown out. He's very
good in clutch games because he's a really smart guy.
And I mean, Palinka, I think it's too thin skinned
if you're the front guy for the Lakers. I mean
I see Rambus two or three times a year. I
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bang on the Lakers all the time. He's always in
good spirits. He gets it. He's a former player. That's
just the world. If you run the Lakers in La
are the Dodgers Now? The Dodgers have a brilliant GM
and a brilliant OPS people their research and development, and
they've got a lot of money. When I moved to LA.
When I moved to La, it was a Lakertown. It
is a Dodger town, and part of it is they
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spend money and they make money that front office layers
of competent people with the Dodgers
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Tuesday. We are live.
We're in Chicago. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be,
however you may be watching or listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. The truth once the playoffs
(00:49):
arrive always reveals itself. You can't trust the Jacksonville Jaguars
and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Our sears department store three point
one yards per play, lowest yards per play in the
last nine years in the playoffs, and they got turnovers.
(01:12):
They get three times. Houston gave him opportunities thirteen total
first downs, awful on third down, couldn't run the ball again.
If the Steelers were just competent offensively, and I know
the Texans are good, but you had a ballgame. Pittsburgh's
longest drive in the second half twenty three yards. So
(01:35):
they're not going to fire Mike Tomlin. Aaron's of course
going to always defend him. They have no young quarterback
for the future. It's one of the oldest rosters in
the league. The money's mostly spent on defense. Pittsburgh is
stuck in a mediocrity loop and they're never terrible, but
exceedingly average, and they've become so consumed with stability. Boy, hey,
(02:00):
at least we're not Cleveland. Yeah, but either are the Chiefs,
the Rams of the Niners. And they take swings. I
mean a prime example of the Steelers. They go get
DK Metcalf and yet the Steelers are last in the
NFL with Aaron Rodgers in air yards per attempt. So
they buy a sports car and don't know how to
drive it. And it's not just about not winning a
(02:23):
playoff game for nine years. I went and looked at
Mike Tomlin's last thirteen playoff games. There's six blowout losses.
In fact, in their last seven playoff games, they have
not led for a single snap in the second half
in any of them. The games aren't that competitive. You
thought last night was competitive. Start of the fourth you
(02:43):
knew who the better team was. So there's there's an
old saying about you know, you can't save your way
to being wealthy just being content. And that's how I
feel about the Steelers. You know, they're there, they want
to be there. They're content, which to me just feels
like a weighted blanket. I just don't get it. There.
(03:06):
You got to take swings, increase risk. We're going into
another season Aaron'll take off. They won't have any urgency
at quarterback. And it's actually the easy way out in
life to not offend anybody and be loyal to all
your employees. That is the easy way out in life.
It's hard to fire people. And I'm not insisting that
(03:27):
you should fire Tom. It's not what I'm saying. He
get a TV job or another job in one second.
He's more than competent. Stop spending money on defense. Okay,
last night. It's like I know in Pittsburgh and I
get it. It's an old school, proud town that putting
fries and a sandwich is cool. But the rest of
(03:48):
the country took the fries, moved him on a plate,
put parmesan cheese and truffle salt on them. That's what
the rest of us do. It's time to spend money
on offense. It's time to today work on getting your
next star quarterback, free agency, college, whatever you gotta do.
But I just I feel like, I mean, I suggested,
(04:10):
remember this couple of years ago, oh outr. I was
mocked when I suggested TJ. Watt, still in his prime
before the injuries mount move him for two first round picks.
Pittsburgh's like, nah, we're gonna make him the highest paid
non quarterback in the league. A few more injuries, TJ.
Watt now aer and five in playoff games. You're grabbing
(04:33):
on to the wrong stuff, spending way too much money
on defense. Every I mean again, you can be loyal
to your best employees, right. I'm not asking for anybody
to be fired here. It's not my thing. I was
surprised that John Harball was Harbaugh and Tomlin you can argue,
(04:55):
you know, kind of the same resume. But it's like
bolt More is flexible, understands offense, spends on offense, drafts
and develops. They're trying new stuff, the new coordinators, new things.
I never feel like Baltimore's outdated. They just couldn't beat
Mahomes or Josh Allen. So Aaron Rodgers after the game,
(05:21):
asked about his future as a Steeler.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I'm not going to make any emotional decisions. Disappointed, you know, obviously,
I'm such a fun.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Year league and he wanted to be here.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I'm not going to talk about that.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Eric Hunt, do you approach just what you decide to
do next?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
They just get away and then then I have the
right conversations.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Okay, So Aaron's going to disappear for a while. He
did that in his prime. He's certainly going to do
it now. It's his life. Hall of Famer, first ballot,
smart guy, he's got a big broad life. You're going
to disappear, and Mike Tomlin's not getting fired, and they're
gonna downplay they've got any concern about quarterback issues, but
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they will continue to be a team that is not
a viable Super Bowl organization. They won't be now now. Aaron,
and I guess to his credit, he was pretty feisty
on the bench last night. He was obviously not happy.
He defended Mike Tomlin after I want you to listen
to this.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Mike t'z had more success and damn near anybody in
the league you know, from for the last nineteen twenty
years and more than that that. When you have the
right guy and the culture is right, you don't think
about making a change. But there's a lot of pressure
that comes from the outside, and obviously that sways decisions
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from time to time. But it's not how I would
do things, and not how the league used to be.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Okay, let me stop right there. It's not what the
league used to be. That's right. The NFL's now smarter, shrewd,
and more offense. The league isn't what it used to be,
but the Steelers are. They spend all their money on defense,
So you know what the league is now. It's not
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what it was when Tomlin took over the Steelers. We're
just a good defense in a run game, got you
to a Super Bowl and won it. Now it's about
offensive coaches, it's about quarterbacks and passing games. It's about
spending your money at left tackle, quarterback, two weapons, maybe
even a center, not on a second pass rusher. So
that mindset that Aaron just voiced is precisely why the
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Steelers steel outdated. The last nine Super Bowl champs nine
for nine have top ten offenses. The Steelers once again
this year twenty sixth on offense. For a city that
worships bridges, Pittsburgh needs to cross one. It's time to
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change the way you're doing business.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
J C.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Penny were cool. Now we all shop online like you
got to stop the money on the other side. So
the NFL is richer. General managers are younger and very aggressive.
Howie roseman less need go look around now. The best
gms are young and they're taking big risks, and they're
(08:23):
very busy at the trade deadline. I mean, I'll give
you credit for DK metcalf and at the same time
George Pickens left, and I'm not sure who's already better
this year. It was Pickens. So and I don't buy
into well the league was better years ago. No, it wasn't.
It's safer now, it's smarter now. The gms are less
(08:46):
risk averse, so you know, I'm just I'm looking at
Aaron Rodgers against playoff teams this season, and I thought
Aaron played very very well. I defended Aaron. Everybody is
my witness the entire year. But the judge of team
not how you were against the Bengals without Joe Burrow
or the cruddy Browns and the AFC this year was
(09:07):
weaker this year. Even Aaron Rodgers against playoff teams had
a passer rating of seventy was one in five. That's
with Aaron, who I thought played really well most of
the year. I really did based on what I saw
as last year in Green Band with the Jets, I
thought Aaron played very well except against the good teams.
(09:28):
And you could watch Aaron's body language on the first
drive last night. He got upset with a teammate. He
was upset on the bench last night and I said,
Steelers are offensive quicksand Aaron just stepped into it, and
to his credit, he elevated this team. Aaron deserves a
lot of credit for forty two years old. I thought
he played really well. They don't have a number two receiver.
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DK Metgoff got himself in trouble, had to miss two
big games run game. I like Jalen Warren. The old
line was better than I thought. Some of that goes
to credit Arthur Smith and Aaron Rodgers. But the last
DINE Super Bowl champs nine for nine, top ten offenses.
The world has pivoted. It's pivoted, and that city that
(10:12):
worships bridges, they are just struggling to cross it to
the other side. All right, J Matt, congratulations you hit
your first bet of the weekend. I know you were
freaking out last night. You know, It's funny the whole
second half. I'm like, the Texans are the better team.
The Texans are gonna win this game. But Pittsburgh did
this all year long. They just sort of hung around
(10:32):
in games where they couldn't generate much offense. So it
was at least, you know, fourth quarter was entertaining for
a while.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Happy to get aside. Right, the Texas defense took over.
I just don't know what they're gonna have going into
New England without Nico Collins. That concussion look brutal. I
can't imagine a scenario where he plays. The defense is awesome,
but Colin that offense. What has happened to CJ.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Shroud?
Speaker 6 (10:52):
I mean that guy has regressed since his rookie year.
I'm not seeing it.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Well, thank God for what he and Christian Kirk Chris
Bidon Kirk.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Did you know Christian Kirk was the leading receiver on
Wild Card Weekend? Most yards of any receiver or tight
end was Christian. It was a.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Texas A and M kid, and that I think he went
to like an Arizona bounced around. He actually works in Houston. Yeah, yeah, no,
that's right, Jacksonville. He works in Houston. Had a great
night for him. So some thoughts about Philadelphia. A former Eagle,
A former Eagle is defending the wrong people. We'll talk
about that next.
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Jason Kelsey is not only a proud former Philadelphia Eagle,
he's probably the second or third best safe center that's
ever played the game. He passionately blamed the Eagle players
(12:25):
for their loss. He said, we just we just didn't
make our guys highest paid a lot of money on offense,
we didn't make plays. I disagree. When a department in
your company isn't a death spiral, it's on management. Okay,
the Eagles offense has been circling the drain for nine months.
(12:47):
That's on that's on the offensive coordinator or the head coach. Okay,
the players, these same expensive guys last year were crushing
it because they had Kellen Moore who went to the Saints,
and the Saints off defense this year, what Tyler shuck
was better than this offense In Philadelphia, managers and department
heads and that's what OC is. They control things like
(13:12):
game plans, game design in your job, or mind talent acquisition.
This is not I mean, my take on Philadelphia all
year is what is the offense? I don't know half
to half. Hasslbeck Matt Hasselbeck talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
I do have a problem with identity, and you know,
to me, the identity of this team has to go
through Saquon. You know, the last five games, Saquon was
pretty darn good. What the Eagles had been doing in
the past was so so good, and what they've been
doing I would say for the last like year and
a half, it just feels like they're trying to be
something that they're not. And so, you know, whatever they
(13:52):
wanted to be, like, go be that. But to me,
Saquon's got to be a part of it, and that
physicality upfront that needs to be a part of it
as well.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
And just take Ben Johnson, what he did week one
with the Bears when he got the job created accountability,
was tough on his quotaback publicly, privately, accountability to everybody,
cleaned up the negative plays, went sat down with Ryan
Poles and said, I'll take the job if you fix
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the interior or the old line. I mean a real imprint,
a plan of attack. I don't know what Philly is.
I know Nick Sirianni's very dependent on the skill of
the oc. There's a picture I think it was from
like HBO or something. There was a picture in a
meeting of the Philadelphia Eagles this year and sorry for
(14:42):
the radio audience, but it talks exclusively about negative plays
or turnovers. Can't turn the ball over, don't turn the
ball over. We went if we don't turn the ball over. Yeah,
that can't be. That can't be front and center. You
know who turns the ball over all the time? The Niners,
the team that just ended your season with sixty percent
(15:05):
of their money banged up all year. You know who
else turns them all over a lot? The Seahawks number
two in the league, number one seed, who didn't have
to play last weekend. You know who else turns it over?
Last seven games? Seven picks. Matt Stafford Rams are favored
on the road against Chicago. Offense is about creativity, ingenuity,
(15:27):
and risk. You can't you can't be paralyzed, but can't
turn it over. You don't want to turn it over.
You don't want to turn it over, especially in the
red zone. But the year Stafford won the Super Bowl,
he led the NFL in picks and Peyton manning for
about a seven year period as he was winning his
division led over seven years the league in picks and
(15:51):
farv had a lot of picks and Elway had a
lot of picks. And it's okay, it can't be front
and center. So I just I always say this, what
are you? You can see it on TV? How well
the Indiana Hoosiers are coach. You can see it. I
can see it. I watched Philadelphia when I'm asking, I'm
not sure what they are with all that talent. That's
(16:13):
not don't blame the employees. That's on management. A head
coach is basically your CEO. The coordinators are department heads.
Vic Fangio. That department's humming right down the hallway, Kevin
the OC his isn't. I'm not blaming the players for
that because all those guys were great last year with
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Kellen Moore, J McK with the.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
News, no news, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Not good in Philly, also not good in Houston. Despite
the win last night, Colin, I mean CJ. Stroud was
a complete disaster. He fumbled five times. Now he only
lost two of them, but it's like he couldn't control
the snap. I've never seen anything like it before. CJ
talked about it after the game.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
Yes, some problems with the snaps, me catching them. You know,
got to find a way just to catch him and
then take care of the ball. You know, we knew
off tape that they did a good job of you know,
plushing at the ball or trying to you know, get
you to while you're throwing. It's all about you know,
moving forward and you know trying your best to you know,
flush it and keep going. So you know, I thought,
(17:24):
you know, when every time we had a bounce back,
you know, we made more plays.
Speaker 9 (17:27):
So I mean, I'm.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
Proud of our Gosh, we're having a little bit of
resilience in those moments, and you know, to finish the
game like that was really dope.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Now let me defend him here. Pittsburgh knew. There's two
moments that you really knew. Pittsburgh knew they were not
going to have drives in this game. The first reason
I can tell that is statistically, nobody moves the ball
down the field consistently against the Texans, and the Steelers
knew it. If you looked at Aaron Rodgers how animated
he got on that first series, they had a couple
(17:55):
of nice plays and then they failed to get the
first that Aaron was animated. Aaron's like, okay, we're giving
you best stuff. This is one of the drives we
had to score on. The Second thing is Mike Tomlin
preached all week we need turnovers. We've got to have
a short field, So you could tell Pittsburgh. The messaging
in that building all week was we got to punch
the ball out. We have got to create I mean
(18:16):
that you could tell and I could tell from Aaron's
body language. First drive is they knew they weren't gonna
move the ball much. They knew it. That's why Aaron
got so animated after drive number one. That were two
of the three plays that probably Arthur Smith and Aaron
knew would work, and they did. So I'm gonna defend him.
Is I still really am a fan like I defend
(18:38):
Justin Herbert and CJ strike. That was a really bad throw. Yeah,
that was a really bad throw. By the way, Stafford
had one last weekend, uh brock perty had two picks.
One was atrocious. This week it happens the game is fast.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
All right, Well, I mean, look fine, I'll give you
some of the excuses though the fumbles Colin. I honestly,
when it was seven to six, after he throws the
red zone pick, it's third down two, It's like, dude,
settle for the field goal. Don't force that nonsense. I
wondered if they would consider turning to Davis Mills, who,
by the way, was solid mid season filling in for
(19:14):
an injured Stroud or can cuss Shroud Now they have
to play at New England. Colin, I'm just gonna.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Ask you this.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
You know I like ranking stuff, right, It's fun. My
family jokes to me about I like ranking stuff. If
I'm ranking the quarterbacks in the divisional round, CJ. Stroud,
I think he's gotta be behind Caleb Williams. I'm sorry.
Caleb Williams had a better season than c J. Stroud,
And I don't know if Stroud is seven or eight.
I don't have a lot of confidence him in in
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him going to New England. But I do like their defense.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Oh, it's there's nothing not to It's.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Better than the Chargers defense.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
And Drake may like couldn't move the ball, sack five times, like, yeah,
the under twenty one.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I saw the number forty one.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I'd take the under. I think it's gonna be super
low scoring.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
Yeah. Let's move on to Justin Herbert and those LA Chargers,
still licking their wounds after that embarrassing beatdown at the
hands of the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Herbert's catching flack.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
On the inner webs from the keyboard jockeys who are
coming after him.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Well defensive end.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Khalil Mack says everyone is to blame, not just Justin Herbert.
Speaker 10 (20:20):
He wants he wants to be gay for us in
this organization, and we all want to be great for him.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And he's not into the law.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
He's not in it by itself.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, it's c J. Stroud and Herbert. You know, I
like both. They didn't have good days. I'm I'm not
selling my stock. I think they're still very good, big, accurate,
strong guys that sometimes get into a bad turnover space.
But at least I'm consistent. I defend Arnold this weekend.
I defended brock Perty who had two bad picks. I
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would much rather have my quarterback try to extend plays.
And I mean that's what Herbert gets in Trump and CJ. Stroud.
They're trying to extend plays. They got guys hanging off
of them.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
And I look at the offensive lineman in that video.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
They're they're just standing there playing Patty Cake as justin
Herbert's getting destroyed.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I mean, Colin, it was.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
It was sad to watch. I'll say Herbert had a
rough game. It happens he wasn't great losing Hampton or
maybe maybe They didn't think Hampton was gonna play much.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
They had no run game, no wide receiver separating. I
don't know. I mean, you talk mock draft.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
I know the Chargers need O line, but Colin they
need a stud receiver they I mean, if they can
somehow get Carnell Tate, I can't imagine he'll be there,
or the kid Tyson.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
They just need a game breaker.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, well that I think more than that, I think
they have Trey Harris and Quinton Johnson and Ladd McConkey
and the Marion Hampton.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
What happened to them against the paper? Were they against
the pay Street again?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Guard? Center guard? They need protection. It all starts with
Herbert having more than one point six seconds of a
clean pocket.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
All right.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Final story is The Athletic is reporting that John Harbaugh
had lunch and an informal meeting at Giants owner Chris
Mara's home about the open head coaching position. Harball's reportedly
the giants number one target. The only team that has
officially interviewed him is the Falcons. I don't know that
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that's a great fit. Horriball's obviously a really good coach.
He's expected to meet with other teams later this week.
Fox's own Jay Glazers all over this stuff. I think
it's going to be the Giants. I'm not totally buying
the Dolphins. Colin, what do you make of this? You
know Harball, he's the bell of the ball.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Everybody wants them.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, I think if I was the Giants, I'd be
incredibly excited. If I was Harbor. I wish there was
a better opening than the Giants.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Well is there is there a better one?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Atlanta is interesting but not ideal? There is no great
opening mission. Well there is Baltimore. Baltimore is your great
opening stop.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Why is Atlanta not ideal?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Who's your quarterback?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Pennix?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Is he proven? I mean he's good, not as a
pro quarterback yet, No, he's not.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
He's a good prospect. Can I adjust that?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
That's not why John Harball got into this league to
deal with prospects, right like he had He had Flacco,
then he had Lamar. Pennix does not match up to
those two. So there's no Atlanta's got stable ownership and
some really nice pieces. The Giants are in this cycle.
Ravens is the best job. And there's an argument now
that Sean McDermott won. The second best job is the Giants.
(23:32):
Jackson Dart appears to be to me a solid franchise quarterback.
Scataboo is a number one back. Left tackle. They got
to get a right tackle. They have got to draft
their their draft pick, get a right tackle and keep
Jackson Dart out of the blue tent. And the other
thing is the Giants at nauseum. I've discussed this. The
(23:53):
Giants need a culture changer, not just to play caller.
I could argue the Ravens need a play caller, Kevin Stefanski.
They need somebody to get right with Lamar right, he
keeps for siints. Get right with Lamar. Get on Lamar's side.
The Giants, it's not about play calling. You can go
hire one of those guys. They need a guy to
change the awful ten year abyss known as their culture.
(24:14):
And I think hardball's absolutely as good as the Giants
can do.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
So what if I let's compare Atlanta and the Giants
real quick. So Drake London is better than neighbors. We
know that Drake start with a quarterback. Okay, fine, we'll
give Jackson Dart the edge. We'll give you that line
a wash.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I don't know that there's a major advantage for the Giants.
It wasn't great.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Jon Robinson is Argua with the best running back in
the league.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Kim's gotta who's nice.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Bijon is a superstar, maybe a franchise tag pits. You see,
he's got an offense.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
You see the world differently than me. I think about
my boss Falcons better owner period. I got a better
owner and Arthur Blank. I play indoors all right, so
I can control the environmental Lamore. I plan a weaker
division in Atlanta. That's great, But in the end, I
get Jackson Dart. I mean, Jackson Dart is a starting quarterback.
(25:04):
Atlanta's got the owner, Atlanta's got the easier division. I'm
not denying that, and Bjean's great, but I get Jackson Dart.
I have plenty of offensive components. And by the way,
I don't think the division outside of Philadelphia. And if
Nick Sirianni retains his job, Cowboys Washington Adam Peters is
rubbing people the wrong way. But to me, I want
(25:27):
weapons and a quarterback and edge rushers. The Giants have
an elite edge rusher, quarterback, running back, left tackle, weapon
that that's about as good as it's going to get.
I do think Arthur Blank is the Atlanta edge.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
I think they I think they'll probably let Harball pick
his GM right because they got rid of their old GM.
So the Giants have Joe Shane still in place, I
mean owner, but you're.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Talking, you're bouncing around to a lot of places. The
owner for Atlanta is in play. That matters. But I
mean last year Michael Pennix. First of all, he's twenty six,
coming off another injury.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
That's a concern.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
That a concern. I mean, one guy's going into the
blue tent jackson Dark, he's coming out of the blue
tent reay to play. The other guy's just not available.
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
J McK with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping that. The Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Really our last herd hierarchy for a long time, is
coming up at the top of the hour. Eight teams left.
We'll rank them one through eight. So a lot was
made this weekend of two things. Some local reporter sucking
up to Liam Coleman Jacksonville. I don't know why that
was so interesting to so many people. I've been in
(26:44):
media rooms when I was younger, at twenties thirties, that happens.
You know, it's not that crazy, and nobody really cares
outside of the media. The second thing is the f bombs.
Ben Johnson was screaming in the locker room after the
Bears beat the Packers, and I gotta be honest with you,
I don't care like Michigan Ohio State hate each other.
(27:07):
That's why I love watching it. Angel Reese, Caitlin Clark,
we finally watched the WNBA. I'm all for this stuff. Conflict, intention,
and animosity is what every Hollywood screenwriter is trying to
figure out. I'm okay with Ben Johnson is doing something,
and what he's doing is building a fence. That fence
(27:29):
is us against green Bay. We're smarter than green Bay.
We're tougher than green Bay. We're better in the fourth
quarter than green Bay. We're more resilient than green Bay.
And you know what in one year they were. They
were smarter, they were more resilient, they were better in
the fourth quarter. Yes, it's a little petty, what emms
Belichick still petty? Okay, So to me, you know, the
(27:54):
reality is most successful people. I'm talking professionally the most
successful people I've met in my life. I mean, honestly,
they're a little petty and they're ridiculously competitive. I mean,
that's just the way it is. A lot of coach
Jim Harball. Remember the hard slap to Jim Schwartz's back.
(28:15):
Remember Pete Carroll when he was at USC and Harball
was at Stanford and Harball, you know, I don't know
what happened the interaction during the game, but Pete Carroll
came up at the end of the game and game, Hey,
what's your deal? And Harball was like, just competing, right, Pete,
just competing. You can't worry about it. I mean, to me,
(28:38):
what Ben Johnson tried to do is bill a And
if it takes a little hate, I'm okay with it.
Bill A fence around the Bears. We're gonna be tougher,
we're gonna be better in the fourth quarter, We're gonna
be more resilient, we're gonna fight harder. And that's exactly
what I saw. That's exactly what I saw in the
(28:59):
Green Bay game. So if it takes a little hate
to get there, whatever whatever it takes to galvanize. I
always said it's really it really does matter what your
head coaches like. I think Mike McDaniel's really smart. Mike Vrabel,
Mike Tomlin, the Harbaughs, those are alphas. That is a
(29:19):
locker room of fifty five dudes that that scored the touchdown,
got the girl. People pick up their check. They're tough guys,
NFL locker room. And if if the coach is taking
a shirt off and dropping some f bombs, we in
the media get over it. I got to get over it.
(29:41):
They're doing this. I mean all these movies. It always
cracks me up. Most of us would not. Michael Jordan's
the best basketball player of all time. But Michael Jordan
did not treat his teammates well. But we we glamorize
the athlete who punches a teammate. We glamorize Michael Michael
Jordan's Night Sue and NASCAR. Michael Jordan's tough teammates didn't
(30:04):
like Michael Jordan. That's what created his competitive fire. To
this day, Michael still competitive on a golf course. The
late Kobe Bryant, same thing. Why can't coaches be like
I again? Danny Parkins joked about it yesterday. Less hate
in the world more Hayden sports like this is what
this is what motivates a lot of guys. I can't
speak for women. It's what motivates a lot of professional men.
(30:27):
It could be Silicon Valley, Wall Street, NFL locker rooms.
And here's Ben Johnson this week on having no love
for Green Bay.
Speaker 10 (30:35):
There's a rivalry that exists between these two teams, something
that that I fully recognize and I'm a part of.
And yeah, I mean there's I just I don't like
that team. So George and I have talked and we're
on the same page.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I'm okay with it, I really am. I mean, it's
it's heard hierarchy, the last one, top of the hour.
So I looked at the eight playoff teams left and
seven of eight and maybe it's eight of eight, but
I think seven of eight have something in common and
it's not a great quarterback. And I hope all those
(31:17):
teams out there that currently stink are watching what seven
of eight and maybe eight of eight have. Again, it's
not the quarterback that's next in Chicago, it's the hurt.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
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Speaker 6 (31:42):
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Speaker 1 (32:01):
So as we've put on the screen the matchups for
this weekend's NFL playoffs, here's what I see. I see
Sean Peyton against Mike McDonald, Vrabel against Dimiko Ryans McVeigh
(32:22):
against Ben Johnson, Shanny Mike McDonald, and then Sean Payton
against Josh Allen. Let's be honest, in seven of eight,
I see the coach. That's what I see seven of eight.
And I'm not saying Sean McDermott is not a good coach.
(32:44):
I think the other seven are like, really really uniquely
special coaches. All eight of those coaches. By the way,
if you combine, they're winning percentage at sixty one percent
higher than Bill Walsh. What they have in common this
weekend is not great quarterback. We're not quite sure what
bo Nicks is yet. It's not quarterback. Has brought pretty
(33:07):
great or does he have a great coach. And again
McDermott's a good coach. McDermott is a good coach. Nobody
disputes that. I think Mike McDonald is the defensive version
of Sean McVay, Shanahan McVeigh, Ben Johnson, Sean Payton. So
what this weekend is, it's not about the quarterback. It's
(33:28):
an instruction to all the crappy teams in this league
called the Jets and the Giants and the Titans in Cleveland,
don't go cheap on the head coach. Go spend money
on the head coach. By the way, when the Titans
let go of Mike Vrabel, do you know what the
record is since six and twenty eight when the Niners
fired Jim Harbaugh seventeen and forty seven the next four years. So, Baltimore,
(33:53):
I know you think you can just fire John Harbaugh
and is all going to be good. Be very careful
firing a guy who's the leading candidate in the coaching
pool all which, by the way, Kevin Stefanski was. I
said when Stefanski there was rumors he would get fired,
(34:14):
I said, he will be the number one candidate, not
for a team for sixteen and he was immediately and
then John Harbaugh got fired and now Stefanski at worst
is number two. So you know, I didn't say he'd
interview for a job. I said, no, No, Stefanski's gonna
interview every single job. He'll be the number one candidate.
(34:35):
And I would argue there are those that think, because
he's an offensive coach, that maybe he still is the
number one candidate. He's already had a couple of interviews,
reportedly aced both of them, so be careful about firing
the best candidate in the coaching pool. So that's what
I see this weekend. That that's what I see this weekend.
That is not a knock on McDermott. I know it
(34:55):
sounds like it, but even Matt Hasselbeck said this yesterday.
When you think of the Bills, I think one guy,
Josh Allen.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
He literally is superman, Like if the MVP was really
just the MVP, not like whose team was the best
and you had the best stats, like.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Josh Allen's the MVP. He is that guy.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
He can put a cape on and carry his team.
He's done it year after year. But this is a
huge opportunity for Buffalo with you know, no Lamar, no Burrough,
no Mahomes in the playoffs, like, this is your opportunity
to throw the cape on. It doesn't matter if your
defense can't stop the run. They do other things well,
they're creating interceptions, they're playing well enough. This is your opportunity.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, it's one of those things. There's a lot of
jobs that people make great money. They're compensated. I think
we all think that teachers should be paid a little more.
But whenever I hear people go college football coach, how
can he be worth this? Or how can he be
or an NFL or an NBA coach, football coaches go, Look,
you don't have eight great defenses this weekend. You don't
(35:56):
have eight great offenses this weekend. You don't have eight
great quarterbacks this weekend. You have seven great coaches. And
mcdermot's really good. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he is great.
Maybe he went to Super Bowl and I'm wrong. I mean,
if he's if he goes to Denver and wins, maybe
he's great coach and I'm just wrong. Maybe it was
always about Mahomes and Andy Reid, but look at all
(36:17):
those teams. The Rams don't even have good special teams.
The Texas don't have a good offense, has brought pretty
a great quarterback er bo Nick. It's all excellent coaching.
So the Lakers last night just got housed one twenty four,
one twelve, And I laughed at this number. I did
(36:39):
not I did not watch the game. I saw highlights.
I watched ten minutes this morning on YouTube. Sacramento shot
sixty five from three. That's that's like, that's like an
off night at the free throw line. So and this
is one hundred percent on roster construction. It has been
a three and league for a decade. They got no
(37:02):
great three shooters, and they have absolutely bottom three team
in the league on the d part. Outside of Jared Vanderbilt,
they don't have any versaal defenders with length. They just don't.
So you can blame JJ Reddick. Every time I go
to the interweb, I go to x it's always JJ Reddick.
The Lakers are thirteen and one in clutch games, best
(37:25):
in the league. So if you give JJ Reddick a
close game late, he is unbelievable. But he can't keep
the games close. Thirteen of their fourteen losses they get
their doors blown off, and it's probably a bad sign
when your best three point shooter is the coach. And
(37:45):
unless JJ Reddick's gonna pull a late Bill Russell and
go player coach, they don't have enough shooters. So and again,
it has been a three and D league for a
long time. It's not a center league. I talked about
this a couple of weeks ago. Between Jokic, Jannis and Embiid,
probably the three best centers in the last decade. You
(38:06):
got two rings in thirty four total years. It's not
a center league. Titles don't go through bigs. It's not
the seventies or eighties or nineties. They go through wing
defenders and wing scorers. So here's my prediction. Rob Polenka,
Kobe's former agent, has become GM and now the new
(38:26):
Dodger owners have made him GM and head of basketball operations,
right President. Rob's smart, he's a good communicator, he's a
deal maker. He's a little thin skin for my taste,
but whatever. Nobody likes to be criticized, and he gets criticized.
But I do think he's a smart guy, a very
good communicator, and he's a good deal maker. The Luca
(38:47):
thing is one of the top five or six deals
had a very Jerry westfield to it. So I'll defend
Rob Polink. I think he's more than capable. But I
will say this, if you look at the Dodgers' front office, now,
this is unbelievable. I apologize to the radio audience. Look
(39:07):
at the Dodgers front office. I mean they've got eleven
vice presidents. The Lakers, Rob Polinka is the president Basketball
Ops GM and then Kurt Rambus does basketball affairs. The
new Dodgers owners, who now own the Lakers, have to
(39:29):
massively expand the front office. Move move Rob Polenka to
just basketball ops president, Get him out of Dusseldorf, get
him out of grinding tape, get him out of that space.
(39:49):
If you want to win, look at the Philadelphia Eagles
front office and look at the Bengals. They were, the
Lakers have been. They're under managed, and I everybody wants
to blame JJ Reddick. He's thirteen and one in close
games and people can bang on Rob Polenka. And I
don't love the roster construction either. But the Bus family
(40:10):
was one of the poorest ownership groups. They don't have
enough eyes, they don't have enough ears, they don't have
enough people. JJ Reddick on last night's embarrassing loss to
awful Sacramento.
Speaker 9 (40:23):
Literally, we can't make a shot. I mean you look
at it. First of all, they're right there with us
as being one of the worst shooting teams in the league.
Had fifty potential assists tonight we converted on twenty one
of those. Expected score We won by twenty four. Like
this has been the theme. You know, it has been
the theme.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
So just.
Speaker 9 (40:44):
Keep shooting.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
I guess again, you can blame the coach. There's nothing
you can do when you're getting blown out. He's very
good in clutch games because he's a really smart guy.
And I mean, Palinka, I think it's too thin skinned
if you're the front guy for the Lakers. I mean
I see Rambus two or three times a year. I
(41:05):
bang on the Lakers all the time. He's always in
good spirits. He gets it. He's a former player. That's
just the world. If you run the Lakers in La
are the Dodgers Now? The Dodgers have a brilliant GM
and a brilliant OPS people their research and development, and
they've got a lot of money. When I moved to LA.
When I moved to La, it was a Lakertown. It
is a Dodger town, and part of it is they
(41:26):
spend money and they make money that front office layers
of competent people with the Dodgers
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