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January 21, 2026 • 41 mins

Colin Cowherd questions the direction of the Pittsburgh Steelers as they search for their first head coach in nearly 20 years. He believes they’re increasingly out of touch and what makes an elite head coach in today’s NFL.

He explains why the New York Giants are in prime position to bounce back as a playoff contender in the NFC under new head coach John Harbaugh

He believes the rest of the MLB is overreacting about the Dodgers signing Kyle Tucker

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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Here we go, busy day, lots and lots to talk about.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
We got a good one today.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
We're alive in Chicago, thirty felt like I was in
San Tropei when I woke up this morning. It's the
Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. So I
saw his story, Mike McCarthy to the Steelers Blairs, the

(00:55):
headline why he'd be the right fit for Mike Tomlin,
right fit in Pittsburgh to replace Mike Tomlin. Okay, we
get at Pittsburgh. You have blue collar people, you like
your own. You don't have to keep reminding us. Mike
McCarthy isn't just older, he's old school. That was Mike mctomlin.

(01:18):
Right tone, deff to one side of the ball, A
lot of penalties, five years McCarthy was in Dallas, they
averaged seven penalties a game, led the NFL. You know
who has the fewest penalties in the NFL this year,
Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan. In fact, the four least penalized teams,
four young offensive coaches McVeigh, Shanahan, Zach Taylor, Dave Canalis.

(01:45):
That's the NFL, and just because you're older doesn't mean
you have to be old. Kurt Signetti is sixty four,
just one to Natty. Have you heard about how he
recruit roots and his view on athletes. It's very new school.
Like McVeigh. His teams don't get penalized, fewest penalties fbs,

(02:11):
they don't drop passes like mcveag's teams, they don't fumble.
Signetti maybe sixty four. He is all about quarterback playing details.
Richard Branson late seventies, still cool, still hip, still with it.
Jensen Wang sixty two, founder of Nvidia. I mean innovative, sharp, progressive.

(02:37):
Mike Tomlin Mike McCarthy are kind of the same guy.
Their football teams are loose, a lot of penalties. What
works in the NFL today is young coaches. Jamiko Ryans McVeigh,
young coaches who think young, making trades in season, Howie

(02:57):
Roseman moving off tone deaf coaches, pivoting off quarterbacks and players,
finding your next quarterback and putting him on a rookie
deal for four or five years as you build a roster.
All four things Steelers haven't done well. Mike Tomlin. Before
Aaron Rodgers got there, they had a penalty problem. Aaron

(03:19):
cleaned up the offensive side of that and didn't throw
as many picks. Suddenly they look detailed. Now that's Aaron Rodgers.
I got nothing against Mike McCarthy and Pittsburgh, but Pittsburgh
doesn't do this hiring thing and they get a lot
of credit for it.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Pittsburgh is loyal.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
The problem is they're like the guy who was married
for thirty five years and now gets divorced and is
single and thinks app is short for appetizer at Chili's,
Like he doesn't understand dating apps. They didn't have iPhones
social media when he got married. And that's Pittsburgh, Tomlin

(03:55):
and McCarthy. That's the same guy. Good coach, little light,
little loose on the details. I mean McCarthy's cowboy teams
awful with clock management, bad with penalties. Go look at
mcveigh's team this week in Chicago in horrible weather for
a warm weather team. Zero drop passes, zero penalties, zero turnovers.

(04:17):
That's what's happening in the NFL right now.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
It's changed.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
So and the Steelers they don't just date head coaches.
They say I love you and propose after the first date.
Like whoever they hire. They're here for fifteen years, ten minimum.
And I got nothing against Mike McCarthy. I wouldn't put
him in the elite seven, eight nine top coaches, but
he's in that second tier with Tomlin. Very very good,
but old school.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Again.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I'm not anti, I'm not agis. I'm older, gray hair,
lots of it. See, but you gotta be young, you know,
you gotta think young. That's what's happened to gms in
this league. You gotta pivot off guys, you gotta make
in season trades. Cincinnati, I don't know how old the
owner is, they think old. Philadelphia. I don't know how

(05:01):
old the owner is. They think young. So I just
look at McCarthy, Tomlin, Okay, I know you like Pittsburgh guys,
one of us.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
That's not working and winning in this league right now.
You can be a defensive coach, Demiko Ryans, Mike McDonald young,
sharp with it, moving off people that don't work, making moves, trades,
at least understand offense, have a feel.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
For it, not tone deaf to it. So I know it.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Just Pittsburgh's like, listen, the way we're doing things works,
let's go get the next version, kind of an offensive
version of Tomlin.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
That's not it. Here's Art Rooney on the Steelers coaching stir.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Nowadays, there a number of protocols we have to follow
that are sort of really designed to slow the process down.
And so, as I say, it'll probably take at least
a few weeks. Could I sign up for another Chuck
nol or another Bill Kauer or another Mike Tomlin. Sure
that you know somebody that we feel fits that mold

(06:09):
would be great, But for now, we're not going to
kind of narrow the box too much.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
So when Jim Harbaugh got hired by the Chargers, Jim
Harbaugh's in his sixty but he came off and always
has is very boyish, very young. John Harbaugh similarly gets
hired by the New York Giants. I mean, he feels
like he's thirty seven years old. He is so excited.
Everything out of his mouth. He's so excited. And I've

(06:37):
said the New York Jet. When you list the teams
that won four games last year, tell me which one
doesn't feel the same. Jets, Arizona, Tennessee, Vegas, New York Giants.
The Giants had seven one score losses. In fact, they
led three really solid teams Denver, Chicago, and Detroit by
double digits in the fourth quarter. They got leads, they

(06:58):
couldn't keep them. The Giants had a better point differential
than the Carolina Panthers, who.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Won a division.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
The New York Giants are a right tackle, probably another receiver,
and a couple of dudes in the secondary from being
an eleven win team. They have needs. The whole league does.
Outside of Seattle. Everybody's got needs. But there are good
losses in football. When the Bears lost to the Rams,
that's a good loss. You may have lost to the

(07:25):
best team in the best coach in football. And I
mean you go into the offseason thinking we can play
with anybody. We're one play to play with anybody. The
Texans losing to the Patriots is a bad loss. They
don't even know if they like the quarterback anymore. So
you can be a four or five win team. Look
at it and go, we got to get a right tackle,

(07:46):
another receiver, probably a tight end, and some secondary help.
But I mean watching Jim Harbaugh get hired by the Chargers.
He's boyish. And my theme today is you can be old.
You got a young You can be in your sixties
or seventies in the coach.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I'm okay with it, but you gotta You gotta be
somebody that wakes up optimistic, not cynical, that understands offense,
can appreciate defense. Here's John Harball sounding young and like
the right choice on Jackson Dartis quarterback.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
You build your team around your quarterback. I mean that's
you build your team around your players and what they
do well. And i'd like. I like the way he plays,
malic his talent, skill set, all things he accomplished. But
more than that, I like I like who he is
and what he's about to me is about football. I
mean this, this young guy loves football. He wants to
talk football all the time, and you know, and uh,
and that's kind of what I like doing too, So

(08:45):
I think we're gonna have a lot of great conversations.
I can't wait to get started with him.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
So the other thing that's important and instructive here, when
you hire John Harball in the NFC East, you immediately
first day on the job today had the best coach
in the division, and yet they were only a four
win team. If Las Vegas hires a coach with Andy Reid,

(09:10):
Jim Harbaugh, and Sean Payton, you probably still have the
fourth best coach.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
In the division.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
If Arizona hires a coach today with McVeigh, Mike McDonald
and Shanahan, you probably have the fourth best coach in
the division. Even if you get a guy that works,
John Harbaugh today doesn't just feel right this morning. Best
coach in the division, and we don't know Jackson Dart

(09:39):
you can at least argue if he stays out of
the blue tent. Because Jade and Daniel's injuries now are
a concern. Do you have the best quarterback in the division.
We'll know by Thanksgiving. Next Thanksgiving, we'll have a feel
for it. So it would I've said this about the Giants.
Four win teams are not all the same. Playoff law

(10:00):
are not all the same. I mean, Denver feels terrible,
but they just watched bo Nicks out play Josh Allen.
If you're the Denver Broncos, win or lose this week,
you go into the offseason thinking we're there, We're ready
to hoist a trophy. And the Giants at four wins
that do not confuse them with Tennessee or an Arizona

(10:22):
or a Las Vegas or the Jets. Not the say
John Harbaugh could have taken a lot of gigs, why
did he step up really quickly, see this one and
take it. Okay, We've got a lot of stuff today,
and generally speaking, I think whatever the country thinks, whatever

(10:47):
you think. As fans, I'm usually aligned with you. I've said,
there's a couple of things that you love that I
don't care about.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
The home run derby. It's like batting practice.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
You love it. I don't get the Pro Bowl. Every
year I see the TV rating for the Pro Bowl.
I've never watched one. It's a practice football. I'd rather
watch an exhibition game from a team that I'll monitor. Mostly, though,
what you like, I like, you like March madness, you
like the Masters, you like the NFL, you like what
I like. But here's where you and I totally, absolutely,

(11:21):
inarguably disagree. There is one thing that I think and
you will totally disagree, and it just so happens I'm right.
And that's next in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
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Speaker 1 (12:16):
I said before the break, Diana Russini, top of Next Hour,
Phil Simms do today, I said, as I sent the
show to break, is.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
That you and I mostly agree on everything. I mean
we do.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I mean, day to day we may disagree on a
football pick. You like the home run Derby more than
I do in the Pro Bowl, but buy in large
what you like I like, and the way you think
is mostly how I think I would say. More than anything,
people come up to me and go, hey, I think
your show is pretty common sense. Believe it or not,
that's what they say. But here's something where I just
totally disagree. There's too much fear mongering out there. I

(12:50):
saw this quote major League Baseball owners are enraged by
Kyle Tucker to the Dodgers deal. They will push for
US salary cap no matter what. It took a Kyle
Tucker move to outrage you. Cub Fans complained about.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Them all year. They wanted them out of town.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Did you forget about the Angels spending three hundred and
eighty million dollars fifteen years ago or close to it
on Albert Poolholz and Josh Hamilton, which if you look
at what that's worth today with inflation, it's five hundred
and forty million. That didn't bother anybody, welly cause the
Angels are poorly run. It didn't change outcomes. The Yankees

(13:31):
in twenty ten, the four highest paid players check check
check check four Yankees four for four. But they're not
considered well run. And even though they spent a ton
every year and a half for thirty years in the
last ten to fifteen, it doesn't change outcomes.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
That doesn't bother you. The Dodgers aren't just rich. That's
not it. Let's keep it one hundred.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
They're rich and exceptionally well run and winning the World Series.
That's what bothers you. Juan Soto Yankees Mets didn't bother
you because he went to the Mets. They'll gag they're
the Mets. Studies have shown you can be rich and unattractive,
or handsome and poor, and men aren't necessarily jealous of you.

(14:18):
But if you're rich and good looking, study show men
hate you.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
And that's the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
They are rich, good looking, driving a convertible, own a
tech company, and keep being the richest guy in the sport,
and it pisses You'll off.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
It's not just about the money. Kyle Tucker outrages you.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Mookie Betts was arguably the best player in the American League.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Not a peep.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Josh Hamilton, Albert Pulhols Angels, not a peep. Twenty ten
Yankees had all the highest paid players. I don't know
nobody in New York was outraged. Steve Cohens trying to
put together an all star team Crickets. Kyle Tucker in
playoff career is a two thirty hitter. Chicago complained about

(15:04):
them all year. That's the guy that sets you off. No,
what sets you off is that Game seven winning back
to back World Series titles.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Last year.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
I had Dave Roberts on the show, the Dodger manager,
and I asked him about it. The Dodgers, like everybody said,
are ruining baseball.

Speaker 7 (15:21):
Baseball viewership is at an all time high. Baseball players
are better than they've ever been. We are going to
have more eyeballs watching this World Series than ever because
of the country of Canada, US and Japan and beyond. Right,
So obviously the Dodgers are not ruining baseball. It's in
a great state. And I was just kind of taking

(15:42):
a dig at these crazy people that say that what
we do and I think we do it really well,
we're ruining baseball.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
I don't remember a Game seven in Major League Baseball
in a division series, whatever series, you know, NLCS, ALCS
World Series of Game seven. I don't remember a game
seven that Rivetington last year glued every pitch Kyle Tucker
outrages you. That's the one. This morning I wrote down

(16:10):
in order, who I think are the top ten Dodger players.
I could be off on this, but I wrote a
list of the top ten Dodger players. I had Kyle
Tucker at eight, Shohey Mooki, Yoshi Freeman, Edwin Diaz, the
best reliever in baseball, Blake Snell went healthy, Will Smith,

(16:33):
great catcher, Kyle Tucker, Roki and Tiascar Hernandez by the way,
Taoscar Hernandez. I had recently at dinner with Tom Rickets,
the Cubs owner. What a great guy, and I asked
him about the Dodgers privately, but now I'll say it publicly.
He had nothing but respect and admiration. He goes to
the best run team in baseball, he goes, they happened
to be the richest team in baseball right now. He

(16:53):
goes to the best run team in baseball, He goes,
I have total admiration for what they do. Andrew Friedman down.
They just know what they're doing. We should not be
eating and biting away at them. They've got a better
TV deal, better than R and D. And he was
very proud of the Cubs. I've had a great offseason,
fragment at third, got another top starting pitcher, Kyle Tucker left.

(17:15):
Cubs will be better. But what you should be mad
about if you're a fan, isn't the Dodgers. It's Taoscar Hernandez,
the tenth best Dodger. Maybe it's Mac Munsei, but I
think Taoscar Hernandz is a beast. He's been available twice
to the sport and your billionaire owner didn't get him.
And he's a great player for the Dodgers at a
very reasonable number. Saint Louis could afford him, The Pirates

(17:38):
billionaire could afford him, The Mariners could afford him, Detroit
could afford him, Cleveland could afford him. I'm not sure
if the A's could afford me. The point being a
great player, he's been available to the Dodgers have signed
him twice. Max Munsey was an A they let him go.
Oh Tawny was an angel. He didn't win enough games.
So it's this idea that Kyle Tucker created the outrage.

(18:03):
Let's be totally honest about that. If the Dodgers weren't winning,
you'd be laughing at them. They're winning, and you're ticked off.
People do not like. Studies have also illustrated this. People
do not like when they feel other people are separating
from them. Guys don't like that you can make more
than me by a little And it does feel like

(18:23):
the Dodgers have separated. It should be noted. Seventh game
beat the Blue Jays. Blue Jays for most of the
series felt like the better team. The blue Jays more
consistently hit than the Dodgers did. They got some breaks,
they got good managing, they got guys that step up.
This idea that I'm supposed to Kyle Tucker, that's what

(18:45):
really set a sport off. It's like I hear this
about college football constantly. Oh it's in chaos. I just
watched the best national championship game I can remember. It
was in chaos when BAM and Georgia and Clemson every
year were in the National championship for about fifteen years.
That was trouble at tendance down, ratings down. Baseball is

(19:05):
in an incredible spot. Well what about the pirates? What
about him? They couldn't compete when steinbrennerran the Yankees. They
haven't been good since the seventies and Willie Starzell. I mean,
weren't they great in the late seventies when I was
a kid growing up in the mid seventies. I can
name the whole infield. You want me to go, Manny
saying in you know you Al Oliver, Rennie Stennett, Taveris

(19:27):
at short they were great. They haven't been great consistently forever.
It's not a Dodgers issue. Well, what about the Cardinals?
Canni for Saint Louis has been dying as a city
for twenty years. They've lost fifteen fortune five hundred companies
in forty years. They lost an NFL team. Saint Louis
is dried up as a city. It's Hartford with an orange.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Fucks.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Don't blame the Dodgers for that, of the Yankees for that,
or Steve Cohen for that.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
I feel strongly about this. You and I totally disagree
on this stuff.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
If the Dodgers would have lost to the Blue Jays,
you'd be like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Buying those players. You laughed at the maps, didn't you
laugh at the maps?

Speaker 7 (20:04):
This year?

Speaker 3 (20:05):
It's funny they spent all that money. They stunk. They
got the richest owner, not the Dodgers. J Mack with
the news. Turn on the news.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
This is the Herdline News.

Speaker 8 (20:18):
All right, let's get started with any interesting press conference
that went down earlier today in Buffalo, Colin.

Speaker 9 (20:25):
I don't know what on earth owner Terry.

Speaker 8 (20:27):
Pagoula was doing, but he was hosting a presser with
Brandon Bean, the in Battle GM who somehow got promoted
after McDermott got fired, and regarding Keon Coleman and the
drafting of the former can we call him a quasi
star in college?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
He was very good.

Speaker 8 (20:44):
Listen to the owner jump in and defend Bean and
Barry McDermott over Keon Coleman.

Speaker 10 (20:51):
Yeah, I mean I interrupt. I'll address the Keon situation. Uh.
The coaching staff pushed to draft Kean. I'm not saying
Brandon wouldn't have drafted him, but he wasn't his next choice.

(21:11):
That was Brandon being a team player and taking advice
of his coaching staff who felt strongly about the player.
And you know, he's taken for some reason heat over
it and not saying a word about it. But I'm

(21:32):
here to tell you the true story.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Isn't that player still on the team.

Speaker 9 (21:39):
He is on the team.

Speaker 8 (21:40):
He was a healthy no stratch, he was a healthy
scratch many times this year.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
The way, why would you do that when he's still
on the team, Like, why in the world would it?
Would my boss come out and say, you know, I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Really on the cowherd bandwagon.

Speaker 8 (21:52):
So it gets worse, it gets worse calling Oh good,
So somebody found a video from the NFL combine.

Speaker 9 (21:58):
Just propped on the internet.

Speaker 8 (22:01):
Praising uh Keon Coleman's forty time and the ability to
get him in the draft. So, I mean, listen, you
know how this works, these power struggles in front offices.
As soon as things get embattled, everybody coz he's up
to the owner. I can get his ear, I can
I can kind of push the other guy out while
saving my own high. I don't know that that's what
went on here, but that's what it feels like. When

(22:21):
was the last time you've seen an owner jump in
and pick a side over the draft?

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Pick Keon first of all, and I Keon Coleman's disappointment.
Let's be fair to Keon Coleman, the young man Florida
to Buffalo isn't the easiest transition for any young person
in America to make. Secondly, he had a touchdown last week. Third,
wide receivers are first round. Wide receivers struggle in terms
of bust more than any your position. So it is

(22:48):
a lot asking a kid to go from a college
offense to Josh Allen, Dion Dawkins, Brady's sophisticated offense. So
Coleman's got a lot of talent. He I think he
needs to grow up a little bit, mature a little bit.
I think that's part of it. But I don't like
this at all, calling out an employee when he is
still a young man, an ascending player. Potentially he had

(23:09):
a touchdown last week. Yeah, well, let's be fair. A
lot of quarterbacks, receivers, a lot of players in the
first round.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Don't hit in your low.

Speaker 8 (23:18):
Yeah, Coleman actually fell right to thirty three at the
top of the second round. But here's how the order went.
It was a wide receiver run Pierce all who's been
a disappointment, can't stay healthy. Then Liget went to Carolina,
he's been up and down. Then Keon Coleman, who's right
in that group. The problem is right after Keon Coleman,
LADDI McConkie, who's done some pretty damn good things.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yes, but Ladd McConkie went to Harbaugh and Herbert, who
were desperate for a receiver, so he got a million
throws and looks. So I mean, I get I think
Lad's terrific, but that's a if you could say I
could go to Harbaugh and Herbert and be the number
one receiver immediately in the slot, that's a pretty good
place to land.

Speaker 8 (23:54):
Okay, I'm with you. I don't like burying a player
that's still on the roster.

Speaker 9 (24:02):
I mean, essentially, what are.

Speaker 8 (24:03):
You saying, we don't want this guy like and who's
not Now that everybody knows you don't like him and
didn't want him, nobody's offering anything incredible.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
I mean again, when.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
You're maybe I'm panning the players here, but I just
I don't like calling out young players publicly, privately ream
them all you want, bring him into the office. But
I don't like Keon Coleman's a kid. I mean, he's
he's listening to this, and I mean he's what is
he thinking to that? And again, that's all I'm saying,

(24:33):
is there there, This is weird, this is ugly. They
got the they got the PR announcement wrong. They waited
like two days to finally go to their social media
and give McDermott. You know, McDermott's laughing at all this.
You know what Sean mcdermot's doing. I told you it
was a zoo. I told you it was a mess.
Sean McDermott looks like he escaped from Buffalo. That's what

(24:56):
it looks like right now. Fair enough, that's what it
looks like.

Speaker 8 (24:59):
Yeah, I mean this is as a Jets fan, I
love watching the Bills implode and Colin, that's what's happening.

Speaker 9 (25:04):
I know you don't love to listen to like fan bases.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
The fan bise right now.

Speaker 8 (25:08):
In Buffalo is so angry that McDermott got fired and
Bean is still employed. They've broken down his draft history.
It's abysmal.

Speaker 9 (25:16):
Listen, I had to take Friday with Rachel. You were
out that.

Speaker 8 (25:20):
I think the Buffalo Bill's super Bowl window of Josh
Allen has shrunk, and I don't know that there's much
of a window left. Colin, Let's be real, but thirty
years old, he has taken a lot of hits.

Speaker 9 (25:30):
The injury started.

Speaker 8 (25:31):
Haven't piled up yet, but he started to wear down.
We saw Mahomes crack this season. Cam Newton at age thirty,
fell apart. I'm just saying, Josh Allen, he gets a
turf toe injury and this is a five win Buffalo team. Okay,
things are not looking good for Buffalo right now. Now
let's move on to a positive story, and that's Mike McDaniel.

(25:52):
We talked about him a lot, the sharp genius, the
wizard who was fired by the Miami Dolphins. He's going
to the Chargers to be the offensive coordinator, pairing with
oh my gosh, Jim Harbaugh and Justin Herbert. Everybody wanted
McDaniel except the Lions. Apparently Tampa Bay was hot for him.
The Eagles are very interested. Colin is a great landing spot.

(26:13):
You know, Harball's not going anywhere. You know Herbert's not
going anywhere. Yes, and you get to go from Miami
to Los Angeles too, great American cities.

Speaker 9 (26:21):
This is awesome.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yeah, this is a really really good fit.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
It's gonna have a lot of mo They'll look a
lot like Honestly, they'll look a lot like the Rams offense,
a lot of motion, a lot of sets. He's a
very creative guy. You know, it's interesting. I think both
of both of us. Don't know if he's a head coach,
but he's a great offensive guy. And again I'll say this,
he got the Dolphins to the playoffs. I believe two
times he made too a pro bowler. I didn't like

(26:47):
getting Tyreek Hill necessarily because my take was they already had.
I think Jayden Waddle they and two is not a
deep ball thrower. And you're not gonna win super Bowls
because you have a track team. You're gonna win super
Bowls because you have good old line d line goal
to the Miami Hurricanes. There's a Miami team that's good.
Why trenches? You know, that's what wins in cold weather trenches?
Rams defensive front right like Denver, a lot of sacks.

(27:10):
So I mean to me, I think this is about
if I was Justin Herbert, I get the check book
out and I'd help like this because the trajectory and
the opinion on Justin Herbert now is like, well, when
are we going to see watch Justin Herbert's reaction if
he gets side.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
This is so good for him.

Speaker 8 (27:30):
I know you and I are equally bullish on Herbert
and the Chargers. Just remember everybody, they made the playoffs
the last two years. They'll get both of their tackles back.
Their rookie O'maron Hampton was injured a lot. He's going
to be back with Vidal. They got the receiving corps.
Gadston emerged. I mean, listen, if you want you want
hot take off season, this is a top three team

(27:51):
in the AFC next year. For me, Colin, I think
the Chargers are really now. They're probably gonna lose mintor
right the defensive coordinator.

Speaker 9 (27:57):
He's interviewing everywhere. But I like a lot of things
about the Chargers.

Speaker 8 (28:01):
Final story, it's going to Brian Dabole, another offensive coordinator
in high demand. According to Diana Russini, Philadelphia is conducting
their OC search with the understanding that Dable wants the
Buffalo Bill's job.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Now.

Speaker 8 (28:16):
If he doesn't get that, and maybe he doesn't want
to go into that MESSI cauldron over there, he could
go to Tennessee as their offensive coordinator for Robert sala Culin.
If Mike McDaniel and Brian Dabele do not want to
work with Sirianni in Hertz.

Speaker 9 (28:32):
What does that tell you about Philadelphia right now?

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Well, it's Philadelphia is a hard place to coach, and
it's certainly a hard place. It feels like to me,
a Sirianni has escaped the criticism. I mean, so Sirianni
sits there because he's got a trophy, and when you
get the job, nobody talks about Sirianni. They're not going

(28:55):
to talk about Vic Fangio, who's great. The offensive coordinator
is getting ripped for hours, regardless of who it is.
He's taken all the arrows. So to me, it's like
time out. You can all see that Sirianni is totally
reliant on coordinators. How about he gets the criticism, not
the coordinator. So to me, I think it's a It's

(29:16):
probably the toughest coordinator job in the NFL. Is the
Philadelphia Eagles a very loud franchise where you and I
and I've said this before, is I still don't know
if is Sirianni if he was available to the market
today as a head coach, would people be lined up
like they were for Stefanski or I don't think they would.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
I could be wrong, So where does it?

Speaker 8 (29:39):
You know, like some people are offense, some people are defense.
That hardball is a special teams guy. Famously, I don't
know what, Sirianni.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
He's an offensive guy.

Speaker 9 (29:46):
Oh really, yes, that's why he has to change his offensive.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Coordinator every year.

Speaker 8 (29:50):
And Jalen Hurts is declining supposedly rapidly. And the Eagles
offense was a massive issue all season.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Oh yeah, huh okay Jmack with the news.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping that. The
Herd line.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
News we've established.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I don't think Mike McCarthy would be a disaster, but
he feels like more of the salm in Pittsburgh. Harbaugh
is gonna win ten or eleven games next year. Bank
it and stop telling me Kyle Tucker the Dodgers. That's
what really ticks the owners off. They're all billionaires. By
the way, Coming up next, Rex Ryan says Hire Belichick

(30:29):
in Buffalo. Nick Wright said that on the surface, it's interesting.
Three problems though, that's next.

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Speaker 1 (31:00):
So there's a story out today that the Rex Ryan
says the Bill should hire Bill Belichick. He's my guy,
says Rex Ryan. Okay, three things that would worry me,
because Belichick knows the division and would love to beat
Robert Kraft and Mike Vrabel, because Rabel is the only
ex Patriot that doesn't kiss Belichick's bot.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
He pokes him in the ribs constantly.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Because Rabel right now is a better coach than Belichick
is today. So Number one is you have to keep
Belichick away from pro personnel. He's so arrogant. He thinks
he's good at it. He's awful at it. His last
seven years were brutal in New England with personnel. On
Draft Day, I was told by two sources mid January,
he said, guys, I got it from here awful. Nick
Cassario left him, went to Houston. Now, Houston drafts as

(31:47):
well as anybody.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
In the league.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Because Belichick had his thumb on him and Brandon Bean
is the GM of Buffalo. He's not known as a
great draft guy either. You know, he's a great cap guy.
He's a smart guy, he's a confident guy. He doesn't
have the best reputation in my in my sourcing as
a great you know, Jason Lyt and Tampa John Snyder
guy less need guy, Brett veach guy, Howie Roseman. That's

(32:11):
not his thing. He's not a great trade guy. He's
not a great draft guy. It maybe okay, he's not great.
Belichick's a disaster, indisputable.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Disaster.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Number two is old defensive coaches. This is a theory
of mine. They don't age as well. I think the
league's now getting younger with coaches, but I'm okay with
older offensive coaches Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, because
offensive coaches tend to be creators.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
It's like Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Hollywood's got all sorts of seventy year old directors and
actors and writers and entertainers. Creative people age better than
brute force. And defensive guys are about toughness and volume
and there's a way to do it and authoritarian. Remember
the late Bobby Knight, how he ate not very well,
very restrictive, very rigid, my way of the highway. That's Belichick.

(33:00):
Belichick has said, you know, I only want to coach
certain guys, my kind of guys. I mean literally, he
made Matt Patricia an offensive coordinator. I don't think defensive coaches.
Old defensive coaches age as well. Brute force has a ceiling.
Creativity is ageless. If you're smart and funny and creative,
you could be a stand up comic in your seventies.

(33:22):
George Burns was funny, Dilly died. Creative's age better. That's
not Bill's thing. And the other thing is And we
got to be totally honest about this. Belichick. There's no
new guys in his circle. He hires retreads. Even in Carolina,
he kept Freddy Kitchens and that's another old guy, Bobby Patrino.

(33:44):
He doesn't want a new young set of eyes unless
the last name is Belichick, it's one of his kids.
I know that sounds brutal, but go look at his
new England hires. He hires guys that have failed elsewhere.
Where's his McVeigh on the staff or his Kyle Shanahan
on the staff.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Where are they?

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Vrabel will go get it. So I'm not anti defensive guy,
I'm not. I think Demiko Ryans is great, Mike mcdonnaland
Seattle's amazing. I prefer offensive guys, but I can live
with a def Brian Flores. I've been saying this for
two years. Somebody give that guy a job. I think
he's great, but you can't let Bill do anything with

(34:19):
a draft. You can't let him touch it.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Brutal.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Secondly, defensive, older defensive guys. The numbers are right here.
They don't age as well. Third, he hasn't put any
new guys. I mean, Andy Reid's always got a new
young guy in the staff. He's got plenty of young guys.
I don't mind old guys on the staff. I'm not agist,
but you've got to have new, fresh voices and eyes
on your product. Carolina feels like family and friends, nor

(34:45):
you know, New England at the end retreads, let's bring
Joe Judge back. How about not you know? I mean again,
I think Matt Patrice is really good. For the record,
he could be on any staff I had, So I
don't know. I mean Silence of the Lambs was thirty
five years ago, but we saw what happened to the
first Buffalo Bill.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
It's not good. I'm not going there.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Here's Brandon Bean on the Bills potentially hiring an offensive
head coach.

Speaker 11 (35:10):
Now, we'll definitely give those guys every chance, but we
got to be careful not to just This is a
bigger job than just a play caller and a schemer.
I think we've seen where guys have been excellent play callers,
but they got to the head coach seat and they
couldn't handle the adversity, the conflict, management, all the things

(35:31):
that it's a CEO job.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
That's for the record, that's exactly right. It is a
luxury when you get Kyle Shanahan, who's a CEO and
a great scheme guy.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Andy Reid's that. But Andy Reid also says I don't
want to.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Touch the draft. Andy Reid has no interest in the draft.
So you know who would I hire? Brian dabol feels
like he could handle the conflict. He's been in New
York as a head coach. This is a small market,
probably easier, let's be honest. Daniel Jones with the Giants
is harder than Josh Allen.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
With the Bills. That's an easier lift.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
I'm sorry he's I mean, what are the three or
four things you need in the NFL? You need a
star quarterback, check, a great left tackle, check, an edge rusher,
Bosa check. They got a lot of checks. They really
check a lot of boxes. They got a new stadium,
so revenue's gonna go up. It's gonna be much more
attractive to free agents, got loyal fan base. I understood

(36:27):
the McDermott dismissal.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
I did.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
They just kept it was always something. But I'll tell
you since he left, it doesn't look great. I disagree
with j Mac. I think if you have Josh Allen,
a great left tackle, weapons, an edge rusher, you're gonna
be fine. This is a league in which if you
have a star quarterback, as long as you keep redoing
his deal so you have some space to go get

(36:50):
a weapon, you're gonna be fine. The idea that Josh
Allen for seven years has done. Josh Allen had a
bad game against Denver. Josh Allen, it should be no
to MVP last year in the running this year.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
If you have an.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
MVP level quarterback, it's hard not to be kind of good.

Speaker 9 (37:06):
Well, they're gonna be good. Yeah, they're gonna win seven, eight, nine,
ten games.

Speaker 8 (37:09):
But the days of thirteen wins AFC Championship, Colin, they
got eight free agents who are starters. Okay, now you
got a new head coach. Don't know what that transition
is gonna be, Like, is there gonna be a new
offensive coordinator?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Like?

Speaker 8 (37:21):
What are they keeping Brady? A lot of questions. The
thing I keep coming back to is Josh Allen. Colin
turns thirty this offseason, has not really been injured. As
long as he's breathing, they're fine. They'll be competitive.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
But remember, but win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Remember remember Matt Stafford got to you know what beat
out of him for a dozen years in Detroit. He
is gonna be thirty eight or thirty nine super Bowl week.
He is still elite, and he doesn't have the ability
to escape. He's had concussions, He's had a litany of injuries.
He's thirty eight in Hummin. He's not the app He's

(37:56):
got a great arm, he's not the athlete. To Josh Allen, Also,
the league, you didn't have all this nutritional upgrades, the
quality of these quarterbacks and plu you know what they
the pliability stuff they go through. Josh Allen can play
as long as he wants to play because he's like
a great shooter in the NBA. He's going to have
an arm when he's fifty four. I don't worry about

(38:17):
that stuff. But what I worry about in my take
on this story with Belichick is every coach has a hole,
even the great ones have a hole. Belichick doesn't think
his hole as a hole.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Now.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Belichick, with players already in the league, is very savvy
and very sharp. Bill watches Sunday Football. Do you think
Jimmy Johnson coached in college football? Jimmy Johnson spends his
Saturdays for eight hours watching college football. Jimmy Johnson was
great with college personnel. When he rebuilt the Cow he
made that herschel Walker trade.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Nobody make trades like that.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Jimmy is one of the rare guys loved college football,
love the personnel. There's not now Jim Harbaugh because he's
con call he loves college football too. Look at the
Chargers last two drafts. They have been very, very good
because hardball loves college football, right, So.

Speaker 9 (39:09):
I would be pushing Bill Belichick for the.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Andy Reid doesn't. Andy Reid doesn't watch college football on Saturday.
That's why he doesn't want anything to do with it.
And he'll tell you let Breadfeach do it. Some guys
love college football. Jimmy Johnson did. Jimmy's arguably the best
personal guy we've ever had as.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
A head coach. And by the way, most aren't.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Pete Carroll came out of USC first three years, seah
Owks were stealing.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Guys in the sixth round.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Okay, so my take is that that is Belichick is
not a Saturday guy. I mean, last year was a disaster.
He's smart enough to make the program better. Carolina should
be better this year. But this was for the record.
This is this story what Rex Ryan is saying. This
is what I was saying, and I think you were
saying it last year. Remember his contract had a very

(39:54):
quick out he did and I kept saying the two jobs.
He would look at Eagles with Howie Roseman. Now I
do I think Bill in Philly with Howie Roseman is
a GM that tracks because he's not going to be
near the personnel. But in Buffalo, where Brandon Bean is not,
he I and again, smart guy he's known as a

(40:17):
very sharp guy, great cap guy. He doesn't in recent
years have a great record, and I understand the draft
is hard. It's really even the great gms with all
the time. So I think Philly with Belichick, I would
support that move today.

Speaker 9 (40:32):
Yeah, there's nothing here with Buffalo Belichick.

Speaker 8 (40:34):
There's no chance a guy like Brandon Bean who's clearly insecure,
which is why he ran off McDermot. Zero chance he's
entertaining Belichick and you know ownership they don't want him
in there, so it's a non starter. I think the
real interesting one is Dable because Dabell is who made
Josh Allen. That's how you win the fan base back.
They loved Brian Dable, offensive genius. That was the best
years of Josh Allen. I think that's the move you bring.

(40:57):
You got to bring him back then, but then you
lose Joe Brady. The eir thing is there's no easy
fix your calm. This team is in trouble, man. I'm
just telling you they're not as much trouble.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Look around the AFC. The young quarterback checks disaster. Dolphins,
you know, just hired a defensive guy. Vrabel and New
England are going to be great and Buffalo is going
to be really, really good too.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Those two are going to run this division for years.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
That's the reality is fourteen teams make the playoffs, you know,
seven each conference. If Josh Allen is upright, they're going
to be in that playoff chase Week sixteen, seventeen eighteen
for the next decade.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
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