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We all know there's bias. For the record, you have
some to there's recency bias, there's confirmation bias. In the media.
We have what I would call chaos bias. The more
chaos you have, we jump to it because we know
y'll jump to it. That's how it works. On YouTube
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and TikTok, people find chaos, and I think sometimes it
steers us in the media, myself included toward chaos bias.
Buffalo Bills have had a bad forty eight hours. Everybody's
piling on you may want to take a deep breath.
Let's look at where Buffalo's at. Ownership, stable, new stadium coming,
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massive revenue upgrade, buy more players, superstar quarterback, top six
offensive line in a league that has shifted over the
last decade to offense, tight end, slot receiver, running back, quarterback,
o line, left tackle. Really good last six years, most
wins in the league, best point differential by a country mile,
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number one, offense, second in playoff wins. Yes, they had
a bad seventy two hours, got a bad press conference yesterday.
The Sean McDermott firing and press release could have been better.
They've been excellent for six seven years. Excellent. Can this
also be noted? Winning Super Bowls is hard? Sean McVay,
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the best coach arguably in the league, has won and
should probably thank Aaron Donald and one sack late on
Joe Burrow for that. Jim Harbaugh none, Kyle Shanahan none.
Sean Payton won and if the Colts recover that on sidekick,
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he's maybe looking at zero. Okay. The Buffalo Bills are
a controversial catch no catch call from beating the excellent
Jags and the excellent Broncos on the road. Okay, Bill Belichick.
Five of his six Super Bowls decided by a possession,
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three by a field goal. Rory McElroy best golfer in
Europe for fifteen years. He went eleven years without winning
a major. He was often PGA Player of the Year
multiple times an a year he didn't win a major.
And in golf you get four chances a year to
win a major. In the NFL, you get one, one
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three and a half hour window. That's it. I would
rather be a Buffalo Bills fan today than almost anybody
not named Kansas City because of Andy Reid and Mahomes,
and Andy Reid could retire in a year. I'd rather
be the new England Patriots. I think Drake may is
actually at this point underrated. I like where the Rams are,
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but Stafford could retire. I like where the Seahawks are.
But if do we all trust Sam Darnold yet I do.
Most of you don't resent zy bias, confirmation bias. There's
also chaos bias, and it's what we in the media do,
and it's also what you the fans are attracted to.
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Brandon Bean's probably not the best personnel guy in the league.
But again, if I told you in twenty twenty six,
an offensive league, if I said, yeah, there's this franchise upstate,
New York, superstar quarterback, Pro Bowl running back, great left tackle,
good old line, star slot receiver, really is good, excellent
tight ends, and their rosters full of B guys. It's
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not like they've got C and D guys all over.
They could use another cornerback, So could the league accept Seattle.
Everybody needs new corners because everybody's going three receivers wide,
and nobody has three great corners, not even Seattle, and
they've got two. Terry Pagoula didn't have a great press
conference yesterday, but what he's saying has so much merit.
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We're pretty good here. We've got the things you'd want. Here.
Here's the yesterday.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
That's our seating over the last seven years in the
playoffs five two three, two, two to six. An organization
doesn't carry that kind of record without having without being
a great organization, without having great players. We are focused
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on bringing a Super Bowl to Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Josh Allen's twenty nine, not thirty nine. That's Matt Stafford
gonna be thirty eight thirty nine soon. Josh Allen's twenty
nine seven years, hasn't missed to start due to injury,
new stadium, stable ownership, more revenue, O line left tackle.
They had a bad forty eight to seventy two hours.
There's an old cliche. Wind blows harder at the top
of the mountain. They're near the top. This stuff had
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happened in you know, Carolina, I would not even make
the show. Not even make the show. It's the bills.
It leaves the show. You know. Here's the thing about
smart people, even geniuses. Van Go actually died poor yeah, yeah,
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and wasn't viewed as as successful. And then he died,
and now you have to wait in line to see
his work, right, Like, that's the way it works sometimes
because visionaries and people who see things before I see
them or you see them, we don't give him credit
in the time. And we also not only do we
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not give him credit, we forget the risk they took
to do it. And I'll give you an example with
Seattle planning the ramps Seattle, ninety percent of you thought
Sam Darnold was not a good signing. He got lucky
he had justin Jefferson. Kevin O'Connell's a genius not a
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very good defensive division. You didn't like it. You didn't
like it. He's been great. By the way DK Metcalf moved,
you didn't like that either. What is Seattle doing? When
Russell Wilson left, I can remember saying on the air,
he's been at least a one oh three quarterback rating,
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dude for four straight years. Are we sure this is
the right move? I didn't think it was the right move.
Gino Smith's abaum not really. He made a Pro Bowl,
they won ten games, and Seattle had the number eight
passing offense in the league his last year in Seattle.
But John Snyder veiled on Gino and failed on DK
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Metcalf and signed Sam Darnold. Hey, by the way, Pete
Carroll was wildly popular in Seattle. A lot of people
didn't think he should be let go, and then you
watch him with the Raiders and you're like, yeah, John Snyder,
the GM of Seattle got that right too. When DeMarcus
Lawrence signed thirty three year old defensive end, they brought
out the checkbook. How many of you were like, perfect,
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that's what we need. A thirty three year old defensive
end who I forgot about in Dallas. He had more
pressures this year than Nick Benito in Denver. We do
this all the time when somebody sees stuff. A visionary
is what they call him before you and I see them. Okay,
we always forget the risk they took. We don't give
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them the credit. Everybody now goes well, of course Darnald
was better than Geno Smith. And go back and look
at some of your tweets. The DK Metcalf move. You
didn't like it, crazy one of one. There's nobody like him.
So Sam Darnold was available to the entire league. Pittsburgh
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could have had him, they wouldn't guarantee him multiple years.
Minnesota had him in the building. Smart people in Minnesota.
They let him walk. So Seattle's moves they look brilliant. Now,
that's what happens when you have a great visionary gene.
It looked good now, and we didn't love those moves.
Go back to Russell Wilson's last years in Seattle. Oh,
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let me guess you got that right too. He hit
a one zero three passer rating year after year after
year after year. Right, let Russ Cook Maybe didn't work,
but he was still successful. So I don't know I
when I look at what Seattle's done, is that a
lot of these moves we just we line up with.
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I mean, you know, they hit some draft picks, they've
hit everything. They Mike McDonald was a kid, unproven as
a head coach. Home run they found their McVeigh. Donald
was great in Minneapolis. Why wouldn't he be good in Seattle?
DeMarcus Lawrence, DK, metcalf, they all worked. Here's his His
boss is John Snyder. His name's Mike McDonald. Here's his thoughts.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
His leadership example from on a day to day basis
shows up in so many ways, just like the spirit
of the building, his interaction with everyone, I mean talks
more people and going I do you know, like he's
just he's doing this thing all the time. And he's
been incredibly helpful to me. He knew when to kind
of give you some air to breathe and grow and
expend and learn, you know, maybe fall a little bit.
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And he also was there to support you when you
needed it.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Can't wait rams Seahawks Seattle minus two and a half.
By the way, in about an hour from now. I
do this, As J Mack knows, anytime you get a
massive game AFC Championship NFC Championship. I go to both teams,
who's got the top ten players? Generally the team with
more of the top ten players. I'm doing AFC today.
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I think you'll be surprised by it. Seahawks Rams is impossible.
You could go to fifteen players and still leave like
really really high end starters off Seattle Rams. I got
the ten players, and I'm like, I don't even there's
like four other defensive players that I think are near proas.
There's so much talent in the Rams Seahawks game it's insane.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Well, there's probably two guys Colin on that list who
didn't even play in the Week sixteen meeting, Davonte Adams
who missed that game. Remember yeah, and Dotson, the offensive
lineman who's back and who's excellent against the Bears.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Dobson's than the second highest rate, Denver's got the highest
readed guard in the league. Dotson for the Rams his second.
Like they those positions you don't think about, but that
those are great players.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Remember those two guys missed a game with the Rams,
scored thirty points in regulation and had I believe five
hundred and fifty yards of total offense. You can tell
where I'm leaning in this one, Colin.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I think anytime you can get McVeigh Stafford in a
healthy RAMS team in a big game plus points, I
think the side is LA doesn't mean they're gonna win.
I think that's the betting side.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Who's a better offensive line in this one? By the way,
a Rams so better coach quarterback? Offensive line?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Okay, defense though, special teams though, yes, de special teams
better certain a little bit.
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Speaker 1 (12:41):
You're now entering the no bull zone sponsored by Credible
Great Rage, None of the bull all right. So that
was a big story from Baxter Holmes ESPN detailing some
of the strife inside the Laker organization. Genie Buss, Who've
always liked some some you know, felt little dispers expected
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by Lebron. James. Lebron didn't take you know, responsibility for
the Westbrook move. I talked about that over and over
and over. Lebron wanted that move. It was a disaster.
Now Westbrook and Lebron don't get along. Whatever. But I
read the story. I'd heard about half of these rumors,
maybe seventy five percent of these rumors. Baxter Holmes has
a history of getting stuff right. Genie Buss is now saying, oh,
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this this stuff is you know, it's putting Lebron in
a bad space. Listen, here's here's the good news. It's
time to move off Lebron at some point in the
next calendar year. And Lebron's never been loyal to teams.
This is not a Derek Jeter situation, you know, this
is This is not Magic or Kobe. Lebron's easier to
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move off. It's been a mutually beneficial relationship. His net
worth has almost doubled since he came to LA. He
came hit to LA for basketball sixty percent and business
forty percent. I mean he kept the thing the thing. Yeah,
by about year two, his network is almost double net worth.
He's expensive, he's not always available. He's not the player
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he once was. Lakers are so bad defensively and statistically,
they're worse when he's on the floor. So I've said
it forever, really really confident successful men are bad at exites.
They've all got a great pickup line, but won't pick
up the phone when they break up. That's what successful
confident men do. Lebron's been great for the game. There's
a little Lebron fatigue around the league. I get it.
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But this new ownership group, they have no loyalty to him.
In fact, remember when Bob Myers left the Warriors as GM,
and many speculated he just didn't want to trade. He
didn't want to trade Klay Thompson. I think Genie Buss
knew deep down she didn't want to move off Lebron.
She didn't feel comfortable with it. It's easy for the
Dodgers people too, they're the smartest guys in town. I
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really believe that that at some point instead of confronting
bad pr and I can't believe that a lot of
people just don't like that discomfort. I mean, now you've
got Lebron's agent, Rich Paul, who I like, talking about
Austin Reeves deals potentially on his podcast. So you know.
The other thing is, look under the hood. The Lakers
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are a mirage. They're twenty six and sixteen, but fifteen
of their sixteen losses they've gotten blown out. They're great
in clutch games because they have a really smart head coach,
but they're not in that many clutch games. They're horrible defensively.
It's a three and D league and they don't have
enough of either, no rim protection, not very athletic. This
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is a Luca jj Reddick and maybe Austin Reeves franchise
going forward. So if you look under the hood, they're
a mile from San Antonio and Oklahoma City and Minnesota
and Houston. They're a mile from those. I don't think
they're as good as Detroit long term. The Nicks eventually
will get it figured out and next year Halliburton and
Jason Tatum come back, and Philadelphia is on the rise,
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and so is Orlando. It's like it's actually easy, or
I should say easier to move off people who've been
highly mobile right like Lebron's bounced around the league. He's
been the ultimate opportunist, and I totally defend him on that.
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He has been front and center of the player empowerment era.
Barkley's and Jordan's they're not as comfortable moving around. But
now these days, if you don't consider moving, people look
at you and go, are you crazy? That's because of Lebron.
Lebron's been great for players. Tiger Woods was great for golf.
Lebron's been great for NBA player empowerment. Is he good
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for the ratings? Well, Lakers still get a lot of
ratings when they play the Warriors every Christmas are near then,
But it's easier to move off somebody that's moved off
multiple teams. Lebron is a businessman at this point first
and a basketball player. I don't know, keep the thing
the thing, but for his entire career he's a basketball
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guy that did business. Lebron now's kind of a business
guy who's still pretty good at basketball. But moving off
hims not difficult. The agents talking. Look, they're a worst
team defensively. When he's on the floor, he's not always available.
You can be a credit to the game, and it
can be time. But part of me thinks the Lakers
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sold this because the discomfort of the Lebron exit. Lebron's exit,
he's been exiting his entire career. He exited from Cleveland,
his hometown twice, pat Riley. And remember when he chose
the Lakers, they stunk. He didn't choose the best basketball team.
He chose the best economy in the country, Los Angeles.
That's what he chose first. This was not a good operation.
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He could have gone to four other teams when he
was closer to his prime and he's still good. But
it's not a criticism. I can think two things. All
time great, unbelievable asset to the league. Totally defend his
opperistic business ventures and moves and mobility totally defended. Think
it's great for players, smart smart dude with a smart circle.
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And I can also think it's time to move on.
J Mack with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Let's start with a real conversation about Drake May who
may or may not win the MVP this season. But
let's be real, he's been pretty bad in two playoff games.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Now.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
He faced the brilliant Jesse Minter and the Chargers didn't
do much and then kind of got swallowed up by
the Texans. I believe he had four fumbles lost to
of them. Not a great effort. May does not plan
to change his aggressive mentality heading into the AFC Championship.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
No, I don't think you'll try to change it. I
think last week you know you change it, and Kashan
doesn't make the play. So little things like that are
just knowing the time and place for I think, trying
to get the ball out of my hand, and just
being cognizant of, you know, the edge rushers and taking
care of football and on one thing. So if we
have time and have a look downfield, you know me,
I'm gonna take a look and take a shot.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Now, remember two things happen in the playoffs that don't
happen regularly in the regular season for quarterbacks. Number one,
the weather stinks. Matt Stafford in Chicago missed seven guys
Like did you see his completion percentage? It's much easier
at so far in September than it is in Chicago
in January. So the number one thing is he's now
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quarterbacking in snow drifts. Secondly, you're facing the best defense
in the NFL. It's like Seattle. Now Stafford's got to
face the Seahawks. May had to face Houston. So quarterbacks
don't look today like they look in September and October.
The weather's lousy. You face the best schemes, the best coaches,
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the best corners, the best pass rush. Drake May's won twice.
Trevor Lawrence great year, couldn't win a home playoff game.
So to me, if you win in the postseason, you
know the Stafford didn't throw a pick last week. But
Stafford had three drives, two long ones, one short one.
They didn't move the ball consistently. Drake May's winning games.
I am totally okay with it. So Drake May has.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Five turnovers and has taken ten sacks into playoff games.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Not a great old line. New England still needs to
fortify that old line in the drafts. Not a great o' line.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
This is a difficult one, Colin, because again, like he
has not been good, now he has to go on
the road, and remember they had faced the Patriots defense
overwhelmed the Texans O line and the Chargers O line
Boacher bottom of the league. Denver's got a great O line.
I have a feeling this.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Game is going to be close. Oh it is. Think
about this. If that controversial catch no catch in Denver
Buffalo was flipped, we'd be getting Josh Allen against the kid.
Oh white can think about that. We'd be getting Josh
Allen against the kid for the third time, and the
Rams Seahawks third time. So for all the it's rigged.
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You did not want to eliminate Josh Allen from facing
Drake May, can you? We'd have basically Seahawks Rams NFC
and Seahawks RAMS AFC version with Patriots Bills. That arguably
you can't do better in the league than that. So
for all the you know, the call gets slipped, nobody
rigs a game to get rid of Josh Allen in
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the Buffalo Bills. That's the team you'd want in Do
you think anybody even forget Jared Stidham, anybody rooting for
bow Nicks in the AFC Championship? You think that moves
the needle? It doesn't.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
May is so fascinating Colin So he took the second
most sacks in the NFL this year. Usually guys who
take a ton of sacks they don't.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Rank highly in the EPA.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
But Drake May is like one of the best in
the league because of these big plays. He hits Booty
on a one handed unbelievable catch. Outside of that, like,
I didn't think May had a good game, man, I'm
I have a feeling Denver keeps his close. I just
don't know if Stidham can get them there.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
N grade on a totally different scale in January for offenses.
I mean, I mean, honestly, tried driving in snow. Much
easier to drive in Scottsdale, Arizona than Chicago this weekend. Well,
the tried driving in Nashville this weekend with the ice storm.
Try playing football in Chicago this past weekend. Caleb and
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Matt were both great. They're completion percentages little low. What's windy,
it's cold. I mean, it's just grade in a different scale.
You'll win playoff games. I don't care about the numbers.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
All right, Let's move on to the Philadelphia Eagles, and
the news just keeps getting not amazing call. The latest
name for this vacant OC job, which apparently nobody wants,
is Matt Neggy. Yeah, that guy who I know you
like because he worked some wonders for a season with
Mitchell Trubisky in Chicago. But again to Kansas City Chiefs, quietly, we're.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Like, oh, your contract expired. Oh we'll let you go
explore the market.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
You want to go ahead, get a hot coaching job,
go for it.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Matt, And nobody's really beating down the door.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Come.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I think I think Matt Naggy's fine. There's this whole
idea that Matt Naggy's just lost, doesn't know what he's doing.
I don't buy that. I think Matt Naggy wants to
call plays. And when you're with Andy Reid, you know
Andy's on the headset, he probably wants a little more power. Also,
just pretend you're Matt Naggy. So you've been the coach
of the Chicago Bears. You got fired despite getting Miss
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Trubisky a couple of times into the playoff with Matt Stafford,
Aaron Rodgers, Kirk Cousins in their prime same division played
him twice, and you got Trubisky into the playoffs, okay,
and then you get fired and you think, okay, I
want to take some time off, and then you go
under Andy Reid. Even when you succeed with Andy Reid,
you know what people say, Well, you didn't call any
of the plays. So I think Matt Naggy's like, I
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want to go somewhere where if we win, people go, oh,
Matt Naggy, that's the problem coaching under like Sean Payton.
You can tell me, you can tell me you you're
the offensive coordinator if you work for Sean Payton, but
I know who's calling the plays. Lane Kiffin, Lincoln Riley,
Andy Reid. I mean it's hard to be it's hard
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to work under them. You get to win some games,
but I don't think you're the one. I think Matt
Naggey's probably like, I I want to go somewhere where
I get some credit if we win. I'm shaking off
his knees here. Okay.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
So here's my only problem with that. You say, he
goes to Philly, he'll get credit, will he? Though Shane
Stikeen didn't get credit. Remember it was oh my gosh,
Jalen Hurts is amazing. And then Kellen mor didn't.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Really get the credit.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Hey, Jalen Hurts was the Super Bowl MVP. Se Quon
Barkley was historic.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
So I this is a tough job. And by the way,
I think we would agree if the Eagles don't, like
suddenly get back to Super Bowl contender, everybody's getting blown out. Oh,
head coach is gone. So this is not a great job.
Here's that's why McDaniel did is like no, thanks, yeah,
and Dables like, nah, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
No, I think you're right. I think it's a hard job,
and I think that is very true. I think you're
spot on.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
All right, let's go to the final story, Colin, is
that the New York Giants. You are all up in
the John Harbaugh. You are riding the big Blue train.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
You love it.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Well, somebody who may not love it GM Joe Shane.
He's getting grilled by the New York media about the
perceived power shift because Harball has some say in personnel.
Here's Joe Shane.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, and I'm not worried about that. Everywhere I've been.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
I've been in the league for twenty six years, so
everywhere i've been, the head coach and general manager work together.
That's the only way it's gonna work and get on
the same page, go through the process again. We've done
it everywhere I've been, so I'm not worried about it.
Like you said, that's just you know, something on a
piece of paper doesn't matter. We need to work together
and we're going to come to the final conclusion and
it's always going to be about what's best for the
New York Giants. So I have no problem with that,
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and you know I'm looking.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Forward to work with That's a good answer.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Oh that's that's the only answer. What you can't be combative.
He's happy to be employed right now.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
How about we we give him credit for a good
answer in front of that relentless New York media. That
was a very good answer. Don't be in the taking
credit business. Being the winning football games and collaborating business.
That's the league now. It's not about I have all
the power. That's not what the league is. I like
that answer. I'm willing to give credit where guy hasn't
been my favorite GM, I'll say, okay, okay, but we've
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got to be fair. Everybody bangs on Brandon Bean, go
look at the offense. If keon Coleman would have hit
and I thought he would. I watched him in Florida State.
I thought he was good. It's been the number one
offense last six years. The Brandon being get any credit
you can bang on. Joe Shane hated this Sakuon Barkley move.
But look at the roster. They need a right tackle.
By the way, Evan Neil, everybody liked Evan Neil out Obama.
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He was a bust. Nobody thought he would be a bust.
If they get a right tackle, neighbors can stay healthy.
Go look at the Giants roster. There's been a lot
of good boos by Joe Shane. I don't think he's
I don't think he's John Snyder. I don't think he's
Howie Roseman. But I look at the Giants roster and
look at the Bills roster. Now, I don't think the
Bill's defensive roster is that. I think it's okay, very okay.
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But the Giants have a lot of dudes. They got
a lot of dudes. That roster is Scataboo and Dart
and Neighbors and Andrew Thomas abduall carter Birds. They got
a lot of good player Dexter, Lawrence, Foeba Dough. They
got a lot of dudes. He drafted them, most of them.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Yeah, hopefully Abdul Carter's not sleeping in team meetings and
missing stuff this year. But I'll just I'll go back
to it, the Daniel Jones contract. The day it was signed,
the ink wasn't dry, and you and I were savaging
the Giants for how bad of a deal that was. Yes,
that's on Joe Shane. Yeah, and then to let Saquon walk.
They were a laughing stock in the league the last
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couple of years. Collin well again, mostly because of those
two moves. They overshadow everything.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I guess. Thibodeau, Yeah, they were high profile moves. Absolutely,
I'm not. I'm not. That's why he's not viewed as
a you know, uh maybe a you know, a less
snead or something. He missed on that on that move.
I'm not. But again, it is Joe Shane and Ran
and Bean now don't they just can't do anything right.
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Buffalo's offense and the Giants defense. There are dudes everywhere,
and somebody's got to get credit for it. Dave All
wasn't drafting all those guys I mean he bought into
the Jackson Dart move. Jackson darts better than we thought.
Joe Shane had to sign off on that.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
My guess is Hardball walks into the building and is like, Hey,
you know, I like this ruben Bain guy. That's our
target in the first round. Hey, by the way, Joe,
can you got me a coffee while you while you're
at the printer come grabbing some updates on ruben Bain.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Sorry, I'm a Jets fan. Come on, I got to
take some shots. J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
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Speaker 1 (28:40):
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Speaker 1 (29:31):
I don't know if you've noticed. I certainly did. The
New York Mets have been very busy this offseason. Let
me read you some of their new editions. Some good ballplayers.
Bob Baschett just signed him one hundred and twenty six million,
Marcus Simeon seventy two million from the Rangers. Luis Robert Junior.
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White Sox don't have many good players. He was one.
They owe him twenty million, Jorge Polonko forty million, Devin
Williams three years, fifty one million, Luke Weaver twenty two
million of Freddie Peralta. They made that deal yesterday. Gave
up some minor leaguers and brewers. Got some good minor
leaguers infielder, pitcher. But they're going to have to pay
in one year Freddy Paralta a lot of money. That's interesting.
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One hundred and twenty six million, seventy two million, forty million.
Where's the where's the outrage? Well, the owner should be furious.
Nobody spent more money last five years than Steve Cohen,
the richest owner. But you don't care because the Mets
of the Mettanell underachieve. It's their brand. Cody Bellinger one
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hundred and fifty large Yankees also got one of the
Marlins garage sale got a good Marlins pitcher cricket because
you don't respect their front office either. I talked about
this yesterday when I hear the Kyle Tucker acquisition by
the Dodgers from the Cubs, that owners over the top
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Chicago couldn't wait to get him out of town. They
upgraded at third and on their staff let him go.
They complained about him for a year that he didn't
care about baseball. He's the eighth best Dodger, maybe ninth
if Tyler Glasno's healthy. So I look at this five
years Steve Cohen's been in baseball, richest owner, only made
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the Playoff twice. So you don't care. You're not threatened
by the Mets and you're not threatened by the Yankees currently.
You used to complain a little about that hot stove
thing when you had Jeter in his prime and Mariano
and Bernie Williams and they were winning. Then it made
you uncomfortable. Now you don't trust them. Yeah, I mean
they went and got Cody Bellinger for one hundred and
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sixty two million dollars, not a crickets. So I've said
this with the Dodgers. Here's the chart. You need to
look at the revenue and payroll percentage of revenue chart.
I grabbed this from twenty twenty four. Yes, the Dodgers
make seven hundred and fifty two million, but they spend
seventy three percent of that seven hundred and fifty two million.
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The Yankees make almost as much, seven hundred twenty eight million,
they spend less than fifty percent of it. So what
you're seeing is outside of the Mets and the Blue Jays,
the Dodgers just spend a lot of their profits. Your
billionaire could do it too. By the way, the Orioles
Little Old Baltimore three hundred and sixty six million, they
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only spend half of it on players and talent. So
the Dodgers President of Baseball ops Andrew Friedman, on this
notion that they're ruining baseball.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
We don't pay much attention to that because we operate
within the rules, and we do everything we can to
put ourselves in the best position both short term and
long term, and we're not thinking about more macro.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Things outside of that.
Speaker 9 (32:53):
It is about how can we win as many games
and put ourselves in the best position to win a
championship in twenty twenty without really compromising ourselves out into
the future and falling off that proverbial cliff.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Like, I'm not a fan of socialism, and salary caps
to some degree are sports socialism. Don't you dare spend well,
there's a lot of money in New York. There's a
lot of money in Houston. There's a lot of money
in Los Angeles and San Francisco. If the Dodgers want
to spend it, god love them. I mean, like, when
I watch the Dodgers play, it's like an All Star game.
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I mean, I I to me Toronto. Now, Toronto's the powerhouse,
economic bell cow of Canada. They're spending a ton of
money and a big chunk of what they make. The
owners in the Blue Jays they could absolutely pocket it. No,
they want a great baseball team. The Orioles are good.
Could they get great? They could have. They spent seventy
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two percent of their revenue, not forty nine point nine percent.
So again, I'm more concerned about the floor. I think
billionaires there should be a limitation they have. There's a
floor that you have to spend seventy five million dollars
a year. That's what worries me. Just taking the Dodgers'
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money and the Yankees and Steve Cohen's money pocketing it.
That would bother me. Raise the floor. I don't care
about the ceilings spend. LA is a huge economy. It's
hundreds of times bigger than Cincinnati. Of course they're going
to have a better roster. So I was thinking about this.
There has been you know, I was talking to it,
texting a GM during the Indiana game and I said,
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oh boy, that run looked a lot like Andrew luck
And he said, well, he's not Andrew Luck er Elway,
And he's right, he's not. He's not. He's not that.
I think he's better than a lot of people think.
I think he's an absolute franchise quarterback. The only thing
that could ruin him is possibly the Jets, and thankfully
he won't go there. But what's interesting about Indiana, and
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I'm not denying that Indiana's roster this year, it is
better than last year's roster. Last year that a couple
guys drafted. This year, they'll have the number one pick,
but no other first round guys. Is that The truth
is this story. Signetti's getting the credit. If you didn't
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have Fernando Mendoza. They lose to Miami. That's not even arguable.
That fourth down run by Mendoza and that fourth down pass.
They lose to Miami. They lose to Penn State. I
watched that game. No other college quarterback could make the
throws that kid was making against Penn State on the road.
It was magical. And they probably lose to Ohio State.
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And what they are is a really good football team.
But they're not Cinderella. They're not this Signetti. We don't fumble,
we don't we don't drop snaps. All of that is true.
They didn't have an errand snap all year. They didn't
have a fumble their last fifteen games. They don't drop passes,
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all of it's absolutely true. That doesn't make national champion
with their roster and even with that coach, because to
win a national champion chip, you have to go undefeated.
At the point when they face Miami one loss, they're
not champs. I think Mendoza strangely gets I mean, let's
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be honest about college football. The last decade or so,
there's been a lot of quarterbacks that have won Natties
that have largely been carried by the roster. A mac Jones,
O Will Howard, A JJ McCarthy. They're fine, but if
you go look at the last six national championships, Mac Jones,
Stetson Bennett twice, McCarthy, Will Howard, there's only one of
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those guys, only one of those guys where the team
has multiple losses if he's not the quarterback. I think
JJ McCarthy, Stetson Bennett, I think there's a lot of
quarterbacks that could have taken that Michigan roster and those
Georgia rosters the Natties. I'm nothing against Will Howard. I
like Will Howard a lot. I thought he was didn't
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he go to a Syracuse He was really good play.
I like him a lot. I think there are a
couple of quarterbacks that could have won a Natty with
that team. So I and all this stuff about Signetti
and he isn't a terrific coach. Let's not forget as
great as Andy Reid is. He kept getting beat in
the playoffs until he had Mahomes. We always look at
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college football it's coach first, and it usually is. I
think Mendoz is really special and the reason I have
compared him to Andrew Luck and he's not the prospect
of Andrew Luck. Size, toughness, almost seeks out contact early
in the game, late game, drives poise, humility, gratitude, great parents.
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It was Kyle McCord, there we go. Will Howard was
from Kansas State. Howard replaced Yeah McCord. McCord went to Syracuse, right.
I like Kyle McCord. I like Will Howard, but I
think there's other guys that could have done that. Dante
Moore does not win a Natty at Indiana, Nope. Ty Simpson,
in my opinion, does not win a Natty with this team.
(38:06):
I think this guy is a different grade. And you know,
maybe I'm wrong on this stuff, and I'm not in
any way saying Signetti's not magical. This is a really
good roster in Indiana. It's not as good as Georgia,
It's not as good as Texas, not as good as
Ohio State, I'll tell you right now, not as good
as Miami. Miami had forty five players who are four
or five stars. Indiana's got seven do the division like
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one six, one seventh the roster. Urban Meyer was at
that game on the sideline. He's like, he told me
off air the other day, but he was like, in person,
one of them looked like an NFL team. One of
them looked like a good college team. So here's Signetti
on Mendoza leading him to a title.
Speaker 10 (38:47):
We've got the right people, and anything's possible in our
particular situation in the athletic world.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
College football has.
Speaker 10 (38:54):
Changed quite a bit, the balance of power also. But
with the right people on our staff in the weight room,
in the locker room, and with had great senior leadership
and togetherness, and we had a really good quarterback that
played us best when the chips were down.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, you go to that Miami game. In that Penn
State game, I'm telling you that's a first round That's
not only a first round quarterback, that's a number one pick.
I sat on my couch. I had missed the first half.
I turned into Penn State Indiana second half. Penn State
had a backup quarterback and they were mowing up and
down the field. They had more yards in Indiana that day.
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And Mendoza put on a cape. I mean he put
on a mahomes cape. It was like holy he was
making throws. That crowds ninety thousand. He was so good
at that Penn State second half. It was by the way,
they could have lost to Iowa, they could have lost
Ohio State. They should have lost to Miami. Miami, I
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thought was the better team in the second half. Just
Mendoza the run. I'm not knocking Indiana. It's a great story,
but we keep talking about they don't fumble and they
don't have a lot of errant snaps. It's not like
Harbaugh's team fumbled a ton and had a bunch of
air snaps either. I mean, like right, like National Chance.
(40:20):
Miami's so good, they do make mistakes. Indiana can't make
those mistakes Miami cannon did all year and came with
it a you know, one pick late of winning the
whole thing. J Mac top ten players in the AFC
Championship around the corner plus Greg Cosell.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Hey can we go back to so if remember the
whole Brady versus Belichick, who got more credit for the
Patriots dynasty.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Forever with Belichick until the divorce. Yeah. Yeah, So it's
a little tougher.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
With Signetti versus Mendoza. They're both great. Yeah, I don't
know that there's a right answer. I mean, well, listen,
somebody had to call the play on fourth down. Somebody
had to call the play. Then Mendoza delivered, right.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yes, in the NFL, it's understood, it's seventy thirty even
with a great coach, it's sixty five thirty five quarterback over.
I mean, Mahomes has proven that with Andy Reid, Breeze
and Sean Payton. I mean, we know the quarterback. He's
got the ball and by the way, we don't huddle
as much now, so you got the ball for seventy plays,
not fifty two. Yeah. So quarterbacks have never been more
(41:22):
velt At the college level, it's coach first, because recruiting
is so much about the coach. But I'll tell you
they're not sixteen to zero without Mendoza.
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We all know there's bias. For the record, you have
some to there's recency bias, there's confirmation bias. In the media.
We have what I would call chaos bias. The more
chaos you have, we jump to it because we know
y'll jump to it. That's how it works. On YouTube
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and TikTok, people find chaos, and I think sometimes it
steers us in the media, myself included toward chaos bias.
Buffalo Bills have had a bad forty eight hours. Everybody's
piling on you may want to take a deep breath.
Let's look at where Buffalo's at. Ownership, stable, new stadium coming,
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massive revenue upgrade, buy more players, superstar quarterback, top six
offensive line in a league that has shifted over the
last decade to offense, tight end, slot receiver, running back, quarterback,
o line, left tackle. Really good last six years, most
wins in the league, best point differential by a country mile,
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number one, offense, second in playoff wins. Yes, they had
a bad seventy two hours, got a bad press conference yesterday.
The Sean McDermott firing and press release could have been better.
They've been excellent for six seven years. Excellent. Can this
also be noted? Winning Super Bowls is hard? Sean McVay,
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the best coach arguably in the league, has won and
should probably thank Aaron Donald and one sack late on
Joe Burrow for that. Jim Harbaugh none, Kyle Shanahan none.
Sean Payton won and if the Colts recover that on sidekick,
(02:38):
he's maybe looking at zero. Okay. The Buffalo Bills are
a controversial catch no catch call from beating the excellent
Jags and the excellent Broncos on the road. Okay, Bill Belichick.
Five of his six Super Bowls decided by a possession,
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three by a field goal. Rory McElroy best golfer in
Europe for fifteen years. He went eleven years without winning
a major. He was often PGA Player of the Year
multiple times an a year he didn't win a major.
And in golf you get four chances a year to
win a major. In the NFL, you get one, one
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three and a half hour window. That's it. I would
rather be a Buffalo Bills fan today than almost anybody
not named Kansas City because of Andy Reid and Mahomes,
and Andy Reid could retire in a year. I'd rather
be the new England Patriots. I think Drake may is
actually at this point underrated. I like where the Rams are,
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but Stafford could retire. I like where the Seahawks are.
But if do we all trust Sam Darnold yet I do.
Most of you don't resent zy bias, confirmation bias. There's
also chaos bias, and it's what we in the media do,
and it's also what you the fans are attracted to.
(04:09):
Brandon Bean's probably not the best personnel guy in the league.
But again, if I told you in twenty twenty six,
an offensive league, if I said, yeah, there's this franchise upstate,
New York, superstar quarterback, Pro Bowl running back, great left tackle,
good old line, star slot receiver, really is good, excellent
tight ends, and their rosters full of B guys. It's
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not like they've got C and D guys all over.
They could use another cornerback, So could the league accept Seattle.
Everybody needs new corners because everybody's going three receivers wide,
and nobody has three great corners, not even Seattle, and
they've got two. Terry Pagoula didn't have a great press
conference yesterday, but what he's saying has so much merit.
(04:55):
We're pretty good here. We've got the things you'd want. Here.
Here's the yesterday.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
That's our seating over the last seven years in the
playoffs five two three, two, two to six. An organization
doesn't carry that kind of record without having without being
a great organization, without having great players. We are focused
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on bringing a Super Bowl to Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Josh Allen's twenty nine, not thirty nine. That's Matt Stafford
gonna be thirty eight thirty nine soon. Josh Allen's twenty
nine seven years, hasn't missed to start due to injury,
new stadium, stable ownership, more revenue, O line left tackle.
They had a bad forty eight to seventy two hours.
There's an old cliche. Wind blows harder at the top
of the mountain. They're near the top. This stuff had
(05:53):
happened in you know, Carolina, I would not even make
the show. Not even make the show. It's the bills.
It leaves the show. You know. Here's the thing about
smart people, even geniuses. Van Go actually died poor yeah, yeah,
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and wasn't viewed as as successful. And then he died,
and now you have to wait in line to see
his work, right, Like, that's the way it works sometimes
because visionaries and people who see things before I see
them or you see them, we don't give him credit
in the time. And we also not only do we
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not give him credit, we forget the risk they took
to do it. And I'll give you an example with
Seattle planning the ramps Seattle, ninety percent of you thought
Sam Darnold was not a good signing. He got lucky
he had justin Jefferson. Kevin O'Connell's a genius not a
(06:56):
very good defensive division. You didn't like it. You didn't
like it. He's been great. By the way DK Metcalf moved,
you didn't like that either. What is Seattle doing? When
Russell Wilson left, I can remember saying on the air,
he's been at least a one oh three quarterback rating,
(07:17):
dude for four straight years. Are we sure this is
the right move? I didn't think it was the right move.
Gino Smith's abaum not really. He made a Pro Bowl,
they won ten games, and Seattle had the number eight
passing offense in the league his last year in Seattle.
But John Snyder veiled on Gino and failed on DK
(07:37):
Metcalf and signed Sam Darnold. Hey, by the way, Pete
Carroll was wildly popular in Seattle. A lot of people
didn't think he should be let go, and then you
watch him with the Raiders and you're like, yeah, John Snyder,
the GM of Seattle got that right too. When DeMarcus
Lawrence signed thirty three year old defensive end, they brought
out the checkbook. How many of you were like, perfect,
(07:59):
that's what we need. A thirty three year old defensive
end who I forgot about in Dallas. He had more
pressures this year than Nick Benito in Denver. We do
this all the time when somebody sees stuff. A visionary
is what they call him before you and I see them. Okay,
we always forget the risk they took. We don't give
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them the credit. Everybody now goes well, of course Darnald
was better than Geno Smith. And go back and look
at some of your tweets. The DK Metcalf move. You
didn't like it, crazy one of one. There's nobody like him.
So Sam Darnold was available to the entire league. Pittsburgh
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could have had him, they wouldn't guarantee him multiple years.
Minnesota had him in the building. Smart people in Minnesota.
They let him walk. So Seattle's moves they look brilliant. Now,
that's what happens when you have a great visionary gene.
It looked good now, and we didn't love those moves.
Go back to Russell Wilson's last years in Seattle. Oh,
(09:08):
let me guess you got that right too. He hit
a one zero three passer rating year after year after
year after year. Right, let Russ Cook Maybe didn't work,
but he was still successful. So I don't know I
when I look at what Seattle's done, is that a
lot of these moves we just we line up with.
(09:29):
I mean, you know, they hit some draft picks, they've
hit everything. They Mike McDonald was a kid, unproven as
a head coach. Home run they found their McVeigh. Donald
was great in Minneapolis. Why wouldn't he be good in Seattle?
DeMarcus Lawrence, DK, metcalf, they all worked. Here's his His
boss is John Snyder. His name's Mike McDonald. Here's his thoughts.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
His leadership example from on a day to day basis
shows up in so many ways, just like the spirit
of the building, his interaction with everyone, I mean talks
more people and going I do you know, like he's
just he's doing this thing all the time. And he's
been incredibly helpful to me. He knew when to kind
of give you some air to breathe and grow and
expend and learn, you know, maybe fall a little bit.
(10:16):
And he also was there to support you when you
needed it.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Can't wait rams Seahawks Seattle minus two and a half.
By the way, in about an hour from now. I
do this, As J Mack knows, anytime you get a
massive game AFC Championship NFC Championship. I go to both teams,
who's got the top ten players? Generally the team with
more of the top ten players. I'm doing AFC today.
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I think you'll be surprised by it. Seahawks Rams is impossible.
You could go to fifteen players and still leave like
really really high end starters off Seattle Rams. I got
the ten players, and I'm like, I don't even there's
like four other defensive players that I think are near proas.
There's so much talent in the Rams Seahawks game it's insane.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Well, there's probably two guys Colin on that list who
didn't even play in the Week sixteen meeting, Davonte Adams
who missed that game. Remember yeah, and Dotson, the offensive
lineman who's back and who's excellent against the Bears.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Dobson's than the second highest rate, Denver's got the highest
readed guard in the league. Dotson for the Rams his second.
Like they those positions you don't think about, but that
those are great players.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Remember those two guys missed a game with the Rams,
scored thirty points in regulation and had I believe five
hundred and fifty yards of total offense. You can tell
where I'm leaning in this one, Colin.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I think anytime you can get McVeigh Stafford in a
healthy RAMS team in a big game plus points, I
think the side is LA doesn't mean they're gonna win.
I think that's the betting side.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Who's a better offensive line in this one? By the way,
a Rams so better coach quarterback? Offensive line?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Okay, defense though, special teams though, yes, de special teams
better certain a little bit.
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You're now entering the no bull zone sponsored by Credible
Great Rage, None of the bull all right. So that
was a big story from Baxter Holmes ESPN detailing some
of the strife inside the Laker organization. Genie Buss, Who've
always liked some some you know, felt little dispers expected
(13:01):
by Lebron. James. Lebron didn't take you know, responsibility for
the Westbrook move. I talked about that over and over
and over. Lebron wanted that move. It was a disaster.
Now Westbrook and Lebron don't get along. Whatever. But I
read the story. I'd heard about half of these rumors,
maybe seventy five percent of these rumors. Baxter Holmes has
a history of getting stuff right. Genie Buss is now saying, oh,
(13:24):
this this stuff is you know, it's putting Lebron in
a bad space. Listen, here's here's the good news. It's
time to move off Lebron at some point in the
next calendar year. And Lebron's never been loyal to teams.
This is not a Derek Jeter situation, you know, this
is This is not Magic or Kobe. Lebron's easier to
(13:47):
move off. It's been a mutually beneficial relationship. His net
worth has almost doubled since he came to LA. He
came hit to LA for basketball sixty percent and business
forty percent. I mean he kept the thing the thing. Yeah,
by about year two, his network is almost double net worth.
He's expensive, he's not always available. He's not the player
(14:08):
he once was. Lakers are so bad defensively and statistically,
they're worse when he's on the floor. So I've said
it forever, really really confident successful men are bad at exites.
They've all got a great pickup line, but won't pick
up the phone when they break up. That's what successful
confident men do. Lebron's been great for the game. There's
a little Lebron fatigue around the league. I get it.
(14:30):
But this new ownership group, they have no loyalty to him.
In fact, remember when Bob Myers left the Warriors as GM,
and many speculated he just didn't want to trade. He
didn't want to trade Klay Thompson. I think Genie Buss
knew deep down she didn't want to move off Lebron.
She didn't feel comfortable with it. It's easy for the
Dodgers people too, they're the smartest guys in town. I
(14:52):
really believe that that at some point instead of confronting
bad pr and I can't believe that a lot of
people just don't like that discomfort. I mean, now you've
got Lebron's agent, Rich Paul, who I like, talking about
Austin Reeves deals potentially on his podcast. So you know.
The other thing is, look under the hood. The Lakers
(15:14):
are a mirage. They're twenty six and sixteen, but fifteen
of their sixteen losses they've gotten blown out. They're great
in clutch games because they have a really smart head coach,
but they're not in that many clutch games. They're horrible defensively.
It's a three and D league and they don't have
enough of either, no rim protection, not very athletic. This
(15:35):
is a Luca jj Reddick and maybe Austin Reeves franchise
going forward. So if you look under the hood, they're
a mile from San Antonio and Oklahoma City and Minnesota
and Houston. They're a mile from those. I don't think
they're as good as Detroit long term. The Nicks eventually
will get it figured out and next year Halliburton and
Jason Tatum come back, and Philadelphia is on the rise,
(15:57):
and so is Orlando. It's like it's actually easy, or
I should say easier to move off people who've been
highly mobile right like Lebron's bounced around the league. He's
been the ultimate opportunist, and I totally defend him on that.
(16:17):
He has been front and center of the player empowerment era.
Barkley's and Jordan's they're not as comfortable moving around. But
now these days, if you don't consider moving, people look
at you and go, are you crazy? That's because of Lebron.
Lebron's been great for players. Tiger Woods was great for golf.
Lebron's been great for NBA player empowerment. Is he good
(16:40):
for the ratings? Well, Lakers still get a lot of
ratings when they play the Warriors every Christmas are near then,
But it's easier to move off somebody that's moved off
multiple teams. Lebron is a businessman at this point first
and a basketball player. I don't know, keep the thing
the thing, but for his entire career he's a basketball
(17:00):
guy that did business. Lebron now's kind of a business
guy who's still pretty good at basketball. But moving off
hims not difficult. The agents talking. Look, they're a worst
team defensively. When he's on the floor, he's not always available.
You can be a credit to the game, and it
can be time. But part of me thinks the Lakers
(17:21):
sold this because the discomfort of the Lebron exit. Lebron's exit,
he's been exiting his entire career. He exited from Cleveland,
his hometown twice, pat Riley. And remember when he chose
the Lakers, they stunk. He didn't choose the best basketball team.
He chose the best economy in the country, Los Angeles.
That's what he chose first. This was not a good operation.
(17:44):
He could have gone to four other teams when he
was closer to his prime and he's still good. But
it's not a criticism. I can think two things. All
time great, unbelievable asset to the league. Totally defend his
opperistic business ventures and moves and mobility totally defended. Think
it's great for players, smart smart dude with a smart circle.
(18:08):
And I can also think it's time to move on.
J Mack with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Let's start with a real conversation about Drake May who
may or may not win the MVP this season. But
let's be real, he's been pretty bad in two playoff games.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Now.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
He faced the brilliant Jesse Minter and the Chargers didn't
do much and then kind of got swallowed up by
the Texans. I believe he had four fumbles lost to
of them. Not a great effort. May does not plan
to change his aggressive mentality heading into the AFC Championship.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
No, I don't think you'll try to change it. I
think last week you know you change it, and Kashan
doesn't make the play. So little things like that are
just knowing the time and place for I think, trying
to get the ball out of my hand, and just
being cognizant of, you know, the edge rushers and taking
care of football and on one thing. So if we
have time and have a look downfield, you know me,
I'm gonna take a look and take a shot.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Now, remember two things happen in the playoffs that don't
happen regularly in the regular season for quarterbacks. Number one,
the weather stinks. Matt Stafford in Chicago missed seven guys
Like did you see his completion percentage? It's much easier
at so far in September than it is in Chicago
in January. So the number one thing is he's now
(19:29):
quarterbacking in snow drifts. Secondly, you're facing the best defense
in the NFL. It's like Seattle. Now Stafford's got to
face the Seahawks. May had to face Houston. So quarterbacks
don't look today like they look in September and October.
The weather's lousy. You face the best schemes, the best coaches,
(19:50):
the best corners, the best pass rush. Drake May's won twice.
Trevor Lawrence great year, couldn't win a home playoff game.
So to me, if you win in the postseason, you
know the Stafford didn't throw a pick last week. But
Stafford had three drives, two long ones, one short one.
They didn't move the ball consistently. Drake May's winning games.
I am totally okay with it. So Drake May has.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Five turnovers and has taken ten sacks into playoff games.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Not a great old line. New England still needs to
fortify that old line in the drafts. Not a great o' line.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
This is a difficult one, Colin, because again, like he
has not been good, now he has to go on
the road, and remember they had faced the Patriots defense
overwhelmed the Texans O line and the Chargers O line
Boacher bottom of the league. Denver's got a great O line.
I have a feeling this.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Game is going to be close. Oh it is. Think
about this. If that controversial catch no catch in Denver
Buffalo was flipped, we'd be getting Josh Allen against the kid.
Oh white can think about that. We'd be getting Josh
Allen against the kid for the third time, and the
Rams Seahawks third time. So for all the it's rigged.
(21:03):
You did not want to eliminate Josh Allen from facing
Drake May, can you? We'd have basically Seahawks Rams NFC
and Seahawks RAMS AFC version with Patriots Bills. That arguably
you can't do better in the league than that. So
for all the you know, the call gets slipped, nobody
rigs a game to get rid of Josh Allen in
(21:25):
the Buffalo Bills. That's the team you'd want in Do
you think anybody even forget Jared Stidham, anybody rooting for
bow Nicks in the AFC Championship? You think that moves
the needle? It doesn't.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
May is so fascinating Colin So he took the second
most sacks in the NFL this year. Usually guys who
take a ton of sacks they don't.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Rank highly in the EPA.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
But Drake May is like one of the best in
the league because of these big plays. He hits Booty
on a one handed unbelievable catch. Outside of that, like,
I didn't think May had a good game, man, I'm
I have a feeling Denver keeps his close. I just
don't know if Stidham can get them there.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
N grade on a totally different scale in January for offenses.
I mean, I mean, honestly, tried driving in snow. Much
easier to drive in Scottsdale, Arizona than Chicago this weekend. Well,
the tried driving in Nashville this weekend with the ice storm.
Try playing football in Chicago this past weekend. Caleb and
(22:22):
Matt were both great. They're completion percentages little low. What's windy,
it's cold. I mean, it's just grade in a different scale.
You'll win playoff games. I don't care about the numbers.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
All right, Let's move on to the Philadelphia Eagles, and
the news just keeps getting not amazing call. The latest
name for this vacant OC job, which apparently nobody wants,
is Matt Neggy. Yeah, that guy who I know you
like because he worked some wonders for a season with
Mitchell Trubisky in Chicago. But again to Kansas City Chiefs, quietly, we're.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Like, oh, your contract expired. Oh we'll let you go
explore the market.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
You want to go ahead, get a hot coaching job,
go for it.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Matt, And nobody's really beating down the door.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Come.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I think I think Matt Naggy's fine. There's this whole
idea that Matt Naggy's just lost, doesn't know what he's doing.
I don't buy that. I think Matt Naggy wants to
call plays. And when you're with Andy Reid, you know
Andy's on the headset, he probably wants a little more power. Also,
just pretend you're Matt Naggy. So you've been the coach
of the Chicago Bears. You got fired despite getting Miss
(23:25):
Trubisky a couple of times into the playoff with Matt Stafford,
Aaron Rodgers, Kirk Cousins in their prime same division played
him twice, and you got Trubisky into the playoffs, okay,
and then you get fired and you think, okay, I
want to take some time off, and then you go
under Andy Reid. Even when you succeed with Andy Reid,
you know what people say, Well, you didn't call any
of the plays. So I think Matt Naggy's like, I
(23:48):
want to go somewhere where if we win, people go, oh,
Matt Naggy, that's the problem coaching under like Sean Payton.
You can tell me, you can tell me you you're
the offensive coordinator if you work for Sean Payton, but
I know who's calling the plays. Lane Kiffin, Lincoln Riley,
Andy Reid. I mean it's hard to be it's hard
(24:08):
to work under them. You get to win some games,
but I don't think you're the one. I think Matt
Naggey's probably like, I I want to go somewhere where
I get some credit if we win. I'm shaking off
his knees here. Okay.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
So here's my only problem with that. You say, he
goes to Philly, he'll get credit, will he? Though Shane
Stikeen didn't get credit. Remember it was oh my gosh,
Jalen Hurts is amazing. And then Kellen mor didn't.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Really get the credit.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Hey, Jalen Hurts was the Super Bowl MVP. Se Quon
Barkley was historic.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
So I this is a tough job. And by the way,
I think we would agree if the Eagles don't, like
suddenly get back to Super Bowl contender, everybody's getting blown out. Oh,
head coach is gone. So this is not a great job.
Here's that's why McDaniel did is like no, thanks, yeah,
and Dables like, nah, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
No, I think you're right. I think it's a hard job,
and I think that is very true. I think you're
spot on.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
All right, let's go to the final story, Colin, is
that the New York Giants. You are all up in
the John Harbaugh. You are riding the big Blue train.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
You love it.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Well, somebody who may not love it GM Joe Shane.
He's getting grilled by the New York media about the
perceived power shift because Harball has some say in personnel.
Here's Joe Shane.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, and I'm not worried about that. Everywhere I've been.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
I've been in the league for twenty six years, so
everywhere i've been, the head coach and general manager work together.
That's the only way it's gonna work and get on
the same page, go through the process again. We've done
it everywhere I've been, so I'm not worried about it.
Like you said, that's just you know, something on a
piece of paper doesn't matter. We need to work together
and we're going to come to the final conclusion and
it's always going to be about what's best for the
New York Giants. So I have no problem with that,
(25:43):
and you know I'm looking.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Forward to work with That's a good answer.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Oh that's that's the only answer. What you can't be combative.
He's happy to be employed right now.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
How about we we give him credit for a good
answer in front of that relentless New York media. That
was a very good answer. Don't be in the taking
credit business. Being the winning football games and collaborating business.
That's the league now. It's not about I have all
the power. That's not what the league is. I like
that answer. I'm willing to give credit where guy hasn't
been my favorite GM, I'll say, okay, okay, but we've
(26:17):
got to be fair. Everybody bangs on Brandon Bean, go
look at the offense. If keon Coleman would have hit
and I thought he would. I watched him in Florida State.
I thought he was good. It's been the number one
offense last six years. The Brandon being get any credit
you can bang on. Joe Shane hated this Sakuon Barkley move.
But look at the roster. They need a right tackle.
By the way, Evan Neil, everybody liked Evan Neil out Obama.
(26:39):
He was a bust. Nobody thought he would be a bust.
If they get a right tackle, neighbors can stay healthy.
Go look at the Giants roster. There's been a lot
of good boos by Joe Shane. I don't think he's
I don't think he's John Snyder. I don't think he's
Howie Roseman. But I look at the Giants roster and
look at the Bills roster. Now, I don't think the
Bill's defensive roster is that. I think it's okay, very okay.
(27:03):
But the Giants have a lot of dudes. They got
a lot of dudes. That roster is Scataboo and Dart
and Neighbors and Andrew Thomas abduall carter Birds. They got
a lot of good player Dexter, Lawrence, Foeba Dough. They
got a lot of dudes. He drafted them, most of them.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Yeah, hopefully Abdul Carter's not sleeping in team meetings and
missing stuff this year. But I'll just I'll go back
to it, the Daniel Jones contract. The day it was signed,
the ink wasn't dry, and you and I were savaging
the Giants for how bad of a deal that was. Yes,
that's on Joe Shane. Yeah, and then to let Saquon walk.
They were a laughing stock in the league the last
(27:38):
couple of years. Collin well again, mostly because of those
two moves. They overshadow everything.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I guess. Thibodeau, Yeah, they were high profile moves. Absolutely,
I'm not. I'm not. That's why he's not viewed as
a you know, uh maybe a you know, a less
snead or something. He missed on that on that move.
I'm not. But again, it is Joe Shane and Ran
and Bean now don't they just can't do anything right.
(28:03):
Buffalo's offense and the Giants defense. There are dudes everywhere,
and somebody's got to get credit for it. Dave All
wasn't drafting all those guys I mean he bought into
the Jackson Dart move. Jackson darts better than we thought.
Joe Shane had to sign off on that.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
My guess is Hardball walks into the building and is like, Hey,
you know, I like this ruben Bain guy. That's our
target in the first round. Hey, by the way, Joe,
can you got me a coffee while you while you're
at the printer come grabbing some updates on ruben Bain.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Sorry, I'm a Jets fan. Come on, I got to
take some shots. J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
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give it away yet, I want to tease it. Greg
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Speaker 1 (29:31):
I don't know if you've noticed. I certainly did. The
New York Mets have been very busy this offseason. Let
me read you some of their new editions. Some good ballplayers.
Bob Baschett just signed him one hundred and twenty six million,
Marcus Simeon seventy two million from the Rangers. Luis Robert Junior.
(29:53):
White Sox don't have many good players. He was one.
They owe him twenty million, Jorge Polonko forty million, Devin
Williams three years, fifty one million, Luke Weaver twenty two
million of Freddie Peralta. They made that deal yesterday. Gave
up some minor leaguers and brewers. Got some good minor
leaguers infielder, pitcher. But they're going to have to pay
in one year Freddy Paralta a lot of money. That's interesting.
(30:17):
One hundred and twenty six million, seventy two million, forty million.
Where's the where's the outrage? Well, the owner should be furious.
Nobody spent more money last five years than Steve Cohen,
the richest owner. But you don't care because the Mets
of the Mettanell underachieve. It's their brand. Cody Bellinger one
(30:42):
hundred and fifty large Yankees also got one of the
Marlins garage sale got a good Marlins pitcher cricket because
you don't respect their front office either. I talked about
this yesterday when I hear the Kyle Tucker acquisition by
the Dodgers from the Cubs, that owners over the top
(31:02):
Chicago couldn't wait to get him out of town. They
upgraded at third and on their staff let him go.
They complained about him for a year that he didn't
care about baseball. He's the eighth best Dodger, maybe ninth
if Tyler Glasno's healthy. So I look at this five
years Steve Cohen's been in baseball, richest owner, only made
(31:24):
the Playoff twice. So you don't care. You're not threatened
by the Mets and you're not threatened by the Yankees currently.
You used to complain a little about that hot stove
thing when you had Jeter in his prime and Mariano
and Bernie Williams and they were winning. Then it made
you uncomfortable. Now you don't trust them. Yeah, I mean
they went and got Cody Bellinger for one hundred and
(31:44):
sixty two million dollars, not a crickets. So I've said
this with the Dodgers. Here's the chart. You need to
look at the revenue and payroll percentage of revenue chart.
I grabbed this from twenty twenty four. Yes, the Dodgers
make seven hundred and fifty two million, but they spend
seventy three percent of that seven hundred and fifty two million.
(32:05):
The Yankees make almost as much, seven hundred twenty eight million,
they spend less than fifty percent of it. So what
you're seeing is outside of the Mets and the Blue Jays,
the Dodgers just spend a lot of their profits. Your
billionaire could do it too. By the way, the Orioles
Little Old Baltimore three hundred and sixty six million, they
(32:27):
only spend half of it on players and talent. So
the Dodgers President of Baseball ops Andrew Friedman, on this
notion that they're ruining baseball.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
We don't pay much attention to that because we operate
within the rules, and we do everything we can to
put ourselves in the best position both short term and
long term, and we're not thinking about more macro.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Things outside of that.
Speaker 9 (32:53):
It is about how can we win as many games
and put ourselves in the best position to win a
championship in twenty twenty without really compromising ourselves out into
the future and falling off that proverbial cliff.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Like, I'm not a fan of socialism, and salary caps
to some degree are sports socialism. Don't you dare spend well,
there's a lot of money in New York. There's a
lot of money in Houston. There's a lot of money
in Los Angeles and San Francisco. If the Dodgers want
to spend it, god love them. I mean, like, when
I watch the Dodgers play, it's like an All Star game.
(33:28):
I mean, I I to me Toronto. Now, Toronto's the powerhouse,
economic bell cow of Canada. They're spending a ton of
money and a big chunk of what they make. The
owners in the Blue Jays they could absolutely pocket it. No,
they want a great baseball team. The Orioles are good.
Could they get great? They could have. They spent seventy
(33:50):
two percent of their revenue, not forty nine point nine percent.
So again, I'm more concerned about the floor. I think
billionaires there should be a limitation they have. There's a
floor that you have to spend seventy five million dollars
a year. That's what worries me. Just taking the Dodgers'
(34:11):
money and the Yankees and Steve Cohen's money pocketing it.
That would bother me. Raise the floor. I don't care
about the ceilings spend. LA is a huge economy. It's
hundreds of times bigger than Cincinnati. Of course they're going
to have a better roster. So I was thinking about this.
There has been you know, I was talking to it,
texting a GM during the Indiana game and I said,
(34:34):
oh boy, that run looked a lot like Andrew luck
And he said, well, he's not Andrew Luck er Elway,
And he's right, he's not. He's not. He's not that.
I think he's better than a lot of people think.
I think he's an absolute franchise quarterback. The only thing
that could ruin him is possibly the Jets, and thankfully
he won't go there. But what's interesting about Indiana, and
(34:54):
I'm not denying that Indiana's roster this year, it is
better than last year's roster. Last year that a couple
guys drafted. This year, they'll have the number one pick,
but no other first round guys. Is that The truth
is this story. Signetti's getting the credit. If you didn't
(35:15):
have Fernando Mendoza. They lose to Miami. That's not even arguable.
That fourth down run by Mendoza and that fourth down pass.
They lose to Miami. They lose to Penn State. I
watched that game. No other college quarterback could make the
throws that kid was making against Penn State on the road.
It was magical. And they probably lose to Ohio State.
(35:36):
And what they are is a really good football team.
But they're not Cinderella. They're not this Signetti. We don't fumble,
we don't we don't drop snaps. All of that is true.
They didn't have an errand snap all year. They didn't
have a fumble their last fifteen games. They don't drop passes,
(35:57):
all of it's absolutely true. That doesn't make national champion
with their roster and even with that coach, because to
win a national champion chip, you have to go undefeated.
At the point when they face Miami one loss, they're
not champs. I think Mendoza strangely gets I mean, let's
(36:18):
be honest about college football. The last decade or so,
there's been a lot of quarterbacks that have won Natties
that have largely been carried by the roster. A mac Jones,
O Will Howard, A JJ McCarthy. They're fine, but if
you go look at the last six national championships, Mac Jones,
Stetson Bennett twice, McCarthy, Will Howard, there's only one of
(36:39):
those guys, only one of those guys where the team
has multiple losses if he's not the quarterback. I think
JJ McCarthy, Stetson Bennett, I think there's a lot of
quarterbacks that could have taken that Michigan roster and those
Georgia rosters the Natties. I'm nothing against Will Howard. I
like Will Howard a lot. I thought he was didn't
(36:59):
he go to a Syracuse He was really good play.
I like him a lot. I think there are a
couple of quarterbacks that could have won a Natty with
that team. So I and all this stuff about Signetti
and he isn't a terrific coach. Let's not forget as
great as Andy Reid is. He kept getting beat in
the playoffs until he had Mahomes. We always look at
(37:19):
college football it's coach first, and it usually is. I
think Mendoz is really special and the reason I have
compared him to Andrew Luck and he's not the prospect
of Andrew Luck. Size, toughness, almost seeks out contact early
in the game, late game, drives poise, humility, gratitude, great parents.
(37:44):
It was Kyle McCord, there we go. Will Howard was
from Kansas State. Howard replaced Yeah McCord. McCord went to Syracuse, right.
I like Kyle McCord. I like Will Howard, but I
think there's other guys that could have done that. Dante
Moore does not win a Natty at Indiana, Nope. Ty Simpson,
in my opinion, does not win a Natty with this team.
(38:06):
I think this guy is a different grade. And you know,
maybe I'm wrong on this stuff, and I'm not in
any way saying Signetti's not magical. This is a really
good roster in Indiana. It's not as good as Georgia,
It's not as good as Texas, not as good as
Ohio State, I'll tell you right now, not as good
as Miami. Miami had forty five players who are four
or five stars. Indiana's got seven do the division like
(38:30):
one six, one seventh the roster. Urban Meyer was at
that game on the sideline. He's like, he told me
off air the other day, but he was like, in person,
one of them looked like an NFL team. One of
them looked like a good college team. So here's Signetti
on Mendoza leading him to a title.
Speaker 10 (38:47):
We've got the right people, and anything's possible in our
particular situation in the athletic world.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
College football has.
Speaker 10 (38:54):
Changed quite a bit, the balance of power also. But
with the right people on our staff in the weight room,
in the locker room, and with had great senior leadership
and togetherness, and we had a really good quarterback that
played us best when the chips were down.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, you go to that Miami game. In that Penn
State game, I'm telling you that's a first round That's
not only a first round quarterback, that's a number one pick.
I sat on my couch. I had missed the first half.
I turned into Penn State Indiana second half. Penn State
had a backup quarterback and they were mowing up and
down the field. They had more yards in Indiana that day.
(39:37):
And Mendoza put on a cape. I mean he put
on a mahomes cape. It was like holy he was
making throws. That crowds ninety thousand. He was so good
at that Penn State second half. It was by the way,
they could have lost to Iowa, they could have lost
Ohio State. They should have lost to Miami. Miami, I
(39:59):
thought was the better team in the second half. Just
Mendoza the run. I'm not knocking Indiana. It's a great story,
but we keep talking about they don't fumble and they
don't have a lot of errant snaps. It's not like
Harbaugh's team fumbled a ton and had a bunch of
air snaps either. I mean, like right, like National Chance.
(40:20):
Miami's so good, they do make mistakes. Indiana can't make
those mistakes Miami cannon did all year and came with
it a you know, one pick late of winning the
whole thing. J Mac top ten players in the AFC
Championship around the corner plus Greg Cosell.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Hey can we go back to so if remember the
whole Brady versus Belichick, who got more credit for the
Patriots dynasty.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Forever with Belichick until the divorce. Yeah. Yeah, So it's
a little tougher.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
With Signetti versus Mendoza. They're both great. Yeah, I don't
know that there's a right answer. I mean, well, listen,
somebody had to call the play on fourth down. Somebody
had to call the play. Then Mendoza delivered, right.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yes, in the NFL, it's understood, it's seventy thirty even
with a great coach, it's sixty five thirty five quarterback over.
I mean, Mahomes has proven that with Andy Reid, Breeze
and Sean Payton. I mean, we know the quarterback. He's
got the ball and by the way, we don't huddle
as much now, so you got the ball for seventy plays,
not fifty two. Yeah. So quarterbacks have never been more
(41:22):
velt At the college level, it's coach first, because recruiting
is so much about the coach. But I'll tell you
they're not sixteen to zero without Mendoza.
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