February 12, 2026 • 42 mins
After former Steeler Joery Porter calls out Ben Roethlisberger for being a bad teammate, Colin Cowherd explains why this reveals the reason the Steelers haven’t won a playoff game in 9 straight seasons
Looking at the journeys of Drew Brees and Sam Darnold
Colin doubles down on his defense of Heisman Trophy winner Fernando Mendoza and why he’s clearly a franchise caliber QB in this year’s draft
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Ah. Here we go on to Thursday. A lot more
stuff to talk about than I thought we'd have to
talk about, but all sorts of things happening, the combustability rating,
the combustibility factor. In Pittsburgh, we got a controversy with
the Steelers. So nice to have you in today. So
(00:49):
I can I can argue over the last you know,
fifteen twenty years, the greatest Pittsburgh Steeler is Big Ben
Roethlisberger and James Harris on a short list of the
second best player great players. Well, they have podcasts and
they've gone on those podcasts over the last year or
(01:09):
two and been critical of Mike Tomlin and the Steelers.
And by the way, their message is pretty smart. Their
message to me was spot on. But according to Joey
Porter Senior, whose son plays for the Steelers, so you
know he gets very emotional. Joey Porter Senior says Big Ben,
(01:33):
who he calls number seven and James Harrison broke the brotherhood.
He used his brotherhood in the Arctic line, reading like
seven times. So just remember that word. Here is Joey
Porter Senior mad at James Harrison and number seven Big Ben.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Seven definitely broke the brotherhood because like.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
That's the one I don't understand the.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Seven dude that did that. We don't talk about it
now is crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
He should never grab a microphone and really talk still
a business because if we talk and still a business, yea,
his ass is foul of all foul. He's not a
good teammate. Won a Super Bowl, would he? But the
person he's just not a good teammate, Like he knows that.
Anybody in the Steller building knows that. But we protected him.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
If James Harrison and Big Ben don't buy into the
brotherhood his word, maybe the brotherhood's not that important. I
also know Big Ben and James Harrison hit when you
start attacking the messengers and not the message they're onto
something that brotherhood couldn't beat Blake Bortles at home in
(02:48):
the playoffs or Baker Mayfield that brotherhood in the last
eleven games against playoff teams one and ten, averaging fifteen
points giving up twenty eight. The Steelers culture forever under
Tomlin was talent and toughness. I like those qualities, and
(03:11):
I guess brotherhood. But with the Chiefs and the Seahawks
and mcvay's rams and Shanahan's forty nine Ers, I get
the toughness and the talent too, but I get discipline
and schemes like smart football. Have you ever noticed over
the last ten years, as football has gotten much smarter,
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more motion, more deception, more looks. There's so many great
coaches out there, Famiko, Ryans, Mike McDonald on the defensive side,
mcveiy Shanahan offensive side. Have you noticed during that time
the Steelers have become less relevant? That's why I defended
old guy Aaron Rodgers this year. Was he part of
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the brotherhood? No, he was the new guy. But the
offense finally like grown ups, Fewer penalties, fewer turnovers. Aaron Rodgers,
the new guy walked in at forty two, and it's like, oh,
this is despite having some limitations at wide receiver, You're like, oh,
this is how an offense should function. That Steeler brotherhood
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has not beaten a top ten quarterback in the playoffs
in fifteen years, and Big Ben and James Harrison called
it out. You know, Mike Tomlin, bottom ten offense seven years?
Why not innovative, not creative? You can win with defense.
(04:37):
Seattle did it, but a sophisticated, sophisticated, progressive new approach.
New looks not just what the Steelers do. Let's spend
more money. The Steelers pass defense this past year twenty
ninth defensively. How's that brotherhood thing working? I don't know,
Big Ben and James Harrison, and it takes some courage
(05:02):
to do this, pushed back on very popular Mike Tomlin
pushed back on this organization which keeps everything in house.
I'm not into that. I'm about beating teams in February,
in January top quarterbacks. So I mean this whole thing
(05:22):
about talent and toughness. Everybody in the NFL is tough.
Everybody in the NFL has talent. Even called it brotherhood.
But if Big Ben and James Harrison are saying things
they shouldn't to me, that's the underlying problem. What Joey
Porter's saying is, hey, nothing leaves house. That's the problem.
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You don't discuss real problems, you don't put them out there,
you don't take criticism. Well, you get stubborn and rigid,
and the way we used to do it, it's the
way we do it. They brought in forty two year
old Aaron Rodgers, old guy in one off season. He
fixed the offense to the degree anybody could fix that
offense where you didn't have a number two receiver. So
(06:08):
I'm going to defend Big Ben and James Harrison going
out and saying there's some issues here, and some of
them are Mike Tomlin. It should be noted Mike Tomlin
no longer coaches, So Big Ben and James Harrison aren't
the only people that wanted to bring that up. Drew
Brees was on the show yesterday and he was great,
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And I was at the end of the show and
I said, Drew, if you look at your career and
you look at Super Bowl champion Sam Darnold's career and
all the turbulence you both had early, does Sam's career
remind you drew a little of your early career.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
All the lessons that we hope to teach our kids
through sports and through team athletics, and that is that
you will face adversity, you will face failure and disappointment,
and it's how you react to it that matters. And
while it didn't work at the first couple of teams
that he went to, he continued to work. He continued
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to recognize where he needed to get better and learn.
While it wasn't maybe the road that he would have
envisioned when he first got in the league, it was
meant to be. And it's what has brought out the
best in him and allowed him to play the way
that he has, lead the way that he has and
also inspire others the way that he has.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Drew said, Yeah, when I watched Donald, I thought of
my early years. And you know what, Drew Breethe's comments
made me think of not Donald arch Manning all these
college quarterbacks now. The minute they have a bad week
or get bad news, I'm out of here. Gimme a paycheck.
I'm out of here. And there are times I think
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college quarterbacks should transfer. Cam Ward at Washington State, get
to Miami. Hurricane offer you take it. Trinidad Chambliss, great
quarterback at old miss came from Farris State. You take
that offer and go to the SEC. But arch Manning
never left. He had to sit for two years at Texas,
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and then when he finally played, it was rough. He
got crushed. He was bad, and he stayed there. He
hung in. He was tough. And did you watch his
last five or six games in the SEC? Five and
one beat A and M and ol miss or excuse me,
A and M and Vandy five and one, twenty touchdowns,
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two picks, three hundred and twenty yards a game. He overcame,
he endured, he had to sit. I watched these five
star quarterbacks. If they're not starting by their red shirt
freshman year, I'm out of here. The first sign of
adversity in the NIL world, I am out of here.
You do understand the NFL is adversity. I mean, God,
(09:02):
Belichick and Brady never had dinner for twenty years. Like,
it can be grumpy, it can be harsh, it can
be punitive, it can be tough. You can be injured.
Every time we bring on an NFL player who's even
thirty years old, he's on his ninth surgery. So when
I'm watching Drew Brees talk about Sam Darnold. It makes
me think of arch Manning. That is the one five
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star quarterback that I can think of top of mind,
who could have transferred multiple times, who had to sit
behind a guy. I'm absolutely convinced he's more talented than God.
Beat up when he played, was really bad and just
hung in, head down, put in the work, didn't sulk,
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and at the end of this past year is really good.
Too many young quarterbacks see adversity and they scramble. They're
just running, and they don't know where they're running. They're
just running. And I'm not saying you shouldn't transfer again.
If you're at a small school and get an Oklahoma
to call, you should go. I'm not saying that that's opportunity.
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If you're at Farris State and the SEC calls, or
you're at cal and Indiana's got money with Kurt Signetty
like you do, I get it go. But there's I'm
telling you when people are banging on arch Manning and
say some article was the biggest bust ever, I'm like
about half these five star quarterbacks, if they're not playing
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through one year, they're out the door. Thanks for flying United,
Get me where I can play. We're going to look
back in about ten years, fifteen years at how many
of those get Me out of here guys did. And
my guess is arch Manning will be better than most.
All right, j Mac's there's some you know sometimes during
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Super Bowl Week a lot of stories get buried. Yeah,
the Jonathan kaminga Steve Kerr Warrior story got buried. It
is fascinating what's going on? Then got that thing got ugly.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I think that air is over real quick on arch Manning.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
If the Jets have any clue out of tank, they
will tank the entire season and get arch Manning.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
We've screwed this up before. We had to settle for Zach.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Wilson instead of Trevor Lawrence, and this year we're settling
for a no quarterback instead of Fernando Mendoza. If the
Jets want a quarterback and a future in this league,
they got to tank the right way. Even if it's
not Art, it's going to be someone else. Would you
agree on that?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, I don't think Aaron Glenn has to try to tank.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Come on, you're taking jots at Aaron Glenn every day.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I mean, if you don't have an interception as a
defensive coach and playing the same division as Tua. You know,
I think you're tanking without trying, and that's what the
Jets are doing.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Although maybe, hey, maybe there's a chance that the Raiders
don't take Mendoza and the Jets get him at two.
I mean, based on yesterday's talk, and I ran into
a guy at the gym who's a big Raiders guy.
He doesn't want Mendoza, Like, what are you talking to him? Yes,
they are losing their mind.
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You're now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by Credible
Great Rates None of the bull. So I've been doing
this about thirty years, thirty five years, and I always
felt kind of my responsibility is to form relationships in
athletic departments, form relationships in professional league scouting departments. So
I have the most informed opinions. Now I do three
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hours a day. Some of it's just my gut instinct
or my eyes, but a lot of times if I
have my strongest opinions. I remember when t Bow was
on a hot streak and I was like, this isn't
going to last, and I had somebody inside the Denver
locker room saying dude can't play, He's not an NFL.
Don't listen to all the nonsense. Whether it was Darnald
over Baker, it was Herbert over two. Through the years,
(14:01):
I've relied on scouts often with my strongest opinions. They
get backed by people in the league. So my scouting guys.
Sometimes there's a problem when I like a player way
more than my scouts do, or I don't like a
player as much as my scouts do. And that's where
Fernando Mendoza like. I like Fernando Mendoza a lot. Everybody
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else just kind of likes him. Albert Breer came on
the show yesterday and this is kind of the universal
opinion I hear about the Hoosier quarterback.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Two years ago. When Caleb Williams went first, Jaydeon Daniels
went second, Drake May went third, Pennix went eighth, McCarthy
went tenth, and Nix went twelfth. The consensus I've gotten
is that he would have been the fourth of those quarterbacks,
so right in the middle. I think most teams like
the makeup, they like how much he's won, they like
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the accuracy, but is he physically what you know, Say
Drake may was coming out of North Carolin, or Jade
Daniels was coming at LSU, or Caleb Williams was coming
out of USC.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
He's not that Okay. When I watch him, here's what
I see. Bigger, stronger, more athletic version of Matt Ryan.
That's what he looks like. Well, Matt Ryan is ninth
all time in passing yards and top ten all time
in touchdown passes, got to a Super Bowl and led
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twenty eight to three, has an MVP season behind him,
fifteen years, four Pro bowls, So add thirty percent to
that because I think Mendoza has got He's a little bigger,
he moves a little better, and I think he's got
a slightly stronger arm. So I think Matt Ryan you
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could build a franchise around and get to Super Bowls with.
In fact, I think largely the Falcons failed Matt Ryan.
He didn't fail them. I mean it's a very good
quarter so and again Matt Ryan. Plus, I remember when CJ.
Stroud came out and everybody said Jared Goff's is comp
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and I'm like, yeah, that's an accurate comp Jared Goff
gets to Super Bowl. He got to a super Bowl.
Jared Goff's top ten twelve quarterback in the league. That's
what everybody's trying to get. So it's interesting though I
like him a lot. Everybody kind of likes him. To
knock on him is he's not super athletic. It should
be noted Lamar Jackson is and Josh Allen is and
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they haven't gotten to a Super Bowl. The athletic thing.
We talk about Sam Donald's athletic How many times did
he scramble in that game? How many times did Sam
Donald scrambled in Super Bowl? Couple what he mostly did.
He commanded the game, managed the game, and didn't use
his hyper athleticism. I'll admit Mendoza's not super athletic, but
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I mean, I think his athleticism, I don't think he's
justin Herbert athletic, but he's big and strong like Herbert.
So I see a better version of Matt Ryan. And
Matt Ryan's was really good. It was a really good quarterback.
J Mack with the news, No news.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Let's start at the NBA colin where the San Antonio Spurs,
the best team in the league, yes, you heard that right.
Best team in the league had a nice comeback to
beat the Warriors.
Speaker 9 (17:32):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
They won by.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Thirteen, ended up covering the spread despite a poor three quarters.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
To start the game.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Wemby cooked the Lakers on Tuesday and then basically fillaide
the Warriors on Wednesday. He and Darren Fox combined for
fifty three points following This team is really on fire.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Captain guys. Sorry, starting five, they used two or three
guys off the bench. It's very much like Oklahoma City.
You know exactly who's playing, how many minutes they're playing.
This is what championship teams look like. Okay, seeing the Spurs,
you know when Denver won that title, they had the
same thing. They had to move off guys and they've
never been the same. But because they're not you know,
(18:10):
because right now you're not paying Wemby a fortune and
you're not paying you know, a stefan castle of fortune
is They've got their finances right, They've got draft picks,
the Spurs and OKC. That's how you do it, great GMing,
keep your draft capital, have ascending players and uh and
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Wemby is now is Wemby moved into best player in
the league.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Uh, he's in that discussion with Luca yojok Yo kitches
number one has ever helped you?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yo Kitsch is the best player in the league. Wemby's
a much better defensive player. I don't I don't think
you Luca is. I think Luca's dropped down to like
six or seven.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
All right, so hey, real quick, I know you're big
on this is how a championship team looks. You're right,
So do you know want to know the last time
the won a playoff series?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Come eight years ago?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Twenty seventeen. Okay, they have been garbage for the last
eight or nine years. Two playoff appearances and then nothing.
That's how you're able to be good now. And you've
got a lot of young guys because you keep drafting high.
They got Harper, who was a top early pick. They
got Castle, they got one Binyama. Like, that's that's what
it takes. You missed the playoffs for nine years, and.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
That's what Adam Silver wants. That is the new CBA.
But the Lakers, the Lakers aren't close and the Lakers,
the Lakers have tried to transactionally trade for a D
trade for Luca and you can get those players, but
that's not what the league is anymore. And so is
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Los Angeles going to be patient with the new Dodgers
owners for years? And I don't think Los Angeles has
built to be that. Like in baseball, you can just
go by guys in the NFL, you can go awful
to great overnight. The NBA now and this is the
Adam Silver n everybody's shooting threes, nobody wins back to backs,
and the one way to build is draft and develop. Well,
(20:07):
the problem is the NFL draft gives you twenty three
year old. The NBA draft gives you a nineteen year old.
So they're not even ready to go to the hotel bar.
So is our Los Angeles Laker fans ready move off Lebron,
get some draft capital and a player for Austin Reeves
and get more athletic and wait for about four years
to get back into that OKC. San Antonio mold Well,
(20:30):
I think patient you used the right word.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
That's the word. That's the key word.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
The Lakers had the young guys, D'Angelo, Russell, Brandon Ingram,
all those early picks, Lonzo Ball.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
We don't have the patients for this.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Let's bring in Lebron James, Let's bring in ad but
they get the title.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
League was less punitive to that that wasn't necessarily bad GMing. No,
that is bad JM.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Now, well, now you're right. It's tough.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
And that's what's going to make this Luca thing tricky
because the league has these stupid new rules that kind
of want to restrict player movement. Colin riddle me this,
why did Adam Silver want that? The best this league
has been post Jordan was the last decade where everybody's
moving around the Warriors, super team, Lebron's creating.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Well, we talked about the NBA more during Kadie Warriors
and the Heatles. And I believe it's because David Stern,
the late Great Commissioner, took over a league that nobody
cared about, so he understood the value of New York
and Chicago and the Celtics and the Lakers, big brands
being great. Adam Silver inherited a different league from David Stern,
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one that was top heavy, where where seventy percent of
the owners were unhappy that you could create super teams.
So Adam Silver is like, h, let's have a league
with ultimate parody dynasties are popular. Go back to the
ten most popular NBA teams in my lifetime, Magic's Lakers, Birds, Celtics,
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bad Boy Pistons, the Heatles. Doesn't mean every dynasty Duncan
Spurs are beloved or fascinating, but there is a history
in basketball. Ask yourself this the top ten AAU teams
in the country. They always you know, Atlanta Metro, Detroit
Metro Basketball's, Yukon Basketball, Duke Basketball, Yukon women's basketball. Basketball
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has always lent itself to dynasties. Why because you only
have five starters and eight rotational players. If you get
two great players together, you could have ten great players
in the NFL. If you've got a crappy coach, you're done.
So basketball is always lent itself. It's the reality of
the structure, the construct of basketball. You're gonna have dynasties,
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girls teams, boys team doesn't matter. And so Adam's pushing
back on a reality of the sport. Get out of
the way. If people want to play together, Magic love
playing with Kareem and Worthy and Michael Cooper. Like if
you're gonna have stars, stars want to play with stars.
Kobe wanted Gasol and Shack. He didn't want that two
year period when they didn't have another star.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
And you know who's going to be hurt the most
by this colin is Steph Curry who's stuck on a
putrid Warriors team. Knock, where's he going to go? Not
even a playoff team. And Lebron who is averaging twenty
two six and six or whatever, and he's looking at
like he might just have to take a major pay
cut or retire like it's real. I don't like what
Adam Silver did. I think they butchered this and I'm
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not optimistic about that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
You can go to eighth grade basketball where it's boys
and girls, and then it becomes high school basketball, and
then it becomes college basketball, then it becomes pro basketball
on every level. Basketball is about dynasties. You go to
any state in this country, there's one basketball program in
high school that dominated maybe two and I'm talking about
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you got you know, outside of maybe California, even big states.
So I just think, just let the water flow where
it goes naturally. Great players want to play with great players.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Yeah, all right, let's move on to the NFL and
the New England Patriots suffered a big l in the
Super Bowl. It's curious whether or not they'll get back there.
But at his final press conference of the season Tuesday,
Mike Rabel broke down a message he gave his team
following the loss.
Speaker 9 (24:16):
Talked about a disappointing finish to a phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Exciting, enjoyable year.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
You know, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 10 (24:25):
Talk to him about the you know, foundation, I think
that we've built.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Much like a home.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
You know, you build a home and then run out
of things to do, and so you continue to add
on to it.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
You finish the basement, you make additions to it.
Speaker 10 (24:43):
And we'll try to do that to this football team.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
And I like the foundation of it, and we'll try
to improve on it.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yep, attack the offensive line, get another tight end and
wide receiver. The defense is good enough, it just needs
more depth. They'll be very good next year. The downside
is the entire AFC had a hiccup this year. Like
I mean, it really was Kansas City and Baltimore and
Burrow and the Chargers lost both their tackles. The problem
for New England isn't their roster, it's their competition. The
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AFC had a down year. This was the year with
the Patriot schedule to sneak through. I think there'll be
a better roster next year, and yet won't get to
the AFC Championship with a better roster.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
So the schedule, by the way, the first play schedule
is going to be brutal colin rude.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
It's like last year was a joke. I'm looking at
the schedule.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Jags, Seahawks, Chargers, Chiefs, Lions, Bears. I'm not making this up.
These are the away games. I mean the in the division.
They'll beat the Jets and the Dolphins. That's fine, they
got to go to the Bears, the Lions.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
I don't think.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Let's again, everybody can get excited about Drake May and Rabel.
There's a world where this team misses the playoffs next year. Listen,
it's not a lock.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
The biggest advantage the NFL has over college football, and
you and I love college football, is that the better
you get, the league stacks the rosters against you. You know,
in college football, the better Sabans team's got. The more
power Nick had with the schedule and the softer out
of conference schedule, they wouldn't go on the road out
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of conference against anybody. Right, it was like neutral field
or in Tuscaloosa. The great thing about the NFL where
it really separates, you get more high quality games. You
get a new England schedule for a year, take advantage
of it. The following year you are going to face
a gauntlet of great teams. And that is why it
(26:38):
creates all these great games. Think about this. We got
about fourteen games a weekend in the NFL. Nine are compelling.
What's the hit rate in college football? You got seventy
games a weekend. There's six good ones. You have so
many lopsided games. So I love that the Patriots took
advantage of this. But next year's true serum, and then
(27:01):
they'll be better. But they won't have as good a record,
not even close.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
All right.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
Final story is the Seattle Seahawks wrapping up their Super
Bowl win. Ernest Jones, the linebacker, came to the defense
of Sam Darnold double yesterday at the bar two days
ago at the pre.
Speaker 9 (27:18):
Shout out to the Madas who.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Played this game the right way.
Speaker 9 (27:24):
Not only do we have the best defense in the world,
we got the best team in the world. And quite frankly,
if you got anything to say for my quarterback, you
got anything to say for my defense, you got anything
to say from my hold on, and you got anything
to say by the city of Seattle. I got two
(27:44):
words for you.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
That was kind of frank he Ernest is the hammer.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I mean, geez, how many drinks of the guys that point?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Come on?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Goodness gracious?
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Okay, Sam Darnold won the Super Bowl, he went to
Disneyland the.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
End J Mack within them.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
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Speaker 1 (28:16):
So I uh so I just saw this. Uh the
Packers Matt Lafleur serious story has landed on the coaching
hot seat list. So here, according to this story, the
ten coaches on the hot seat Aaron Glenn obviously, uh
(28:39):
and you know Brian Schottenheimer, Todd Bowle, Zach Taylor like
Summer Predictable. They have Matt Lafleur at number nine, second
most wins in the history of the NFL for a
coach in his first seven wins seven years. According to
Fox Sports dot Com, they got they got Matt Lafleur
on the list. Okay, don't agree with that at all.
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The interesting one, though, is Nick Sirianni Eagles coach at too,
because I believe the market is the truth. When Cleveland
fired Kevin Stefanski, he interviewed with the top five jobs
within a week. I said, when they fired him, he's
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going to land the first or second best job on
the market. Now, Buffalo didn't look like it had any
intention of hiring anybody but Joe Brady, so that one
was kind of out, and Baltimore really leaning heavily into
Jesse Minter. But I don't the market is the truth.
Kevin Stefanski interviewed immediately for all the top jobs. What's
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interesting with Siriani is I don't think he getting her
job not quickly. So fans are completely swayed by winning,
but there's a lot of different ways to win. Sometimes
a coach inherit's a mess Bill Parcell's care and turns
around quickly. And sometimes a coach inherits a really good roster.
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Nick Siriani, he inherited a great O line and a
great owner and a great GM and great team momentum.
I mean they got rid of a coach who won
a Super Bowl. So you got to be careful results
based analysis, where you base everything on the results is flawed.
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That's what Miami did, and they paid fifty four million
a year for Tua. Well, he made a Pro Bowl,
I mean anyway, he made the playoffs. He had a
great offensive coach when he was making the playoffs. He
had a running back that led the NFL and touchdowns.
He had a track team on the sidelines at wide receiver,
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and the Jets and the Patriots were a mess and rebuilding. Okay,
you can't just be swayed by results. That's like judging
a real estate broker. Only when the interest rates are
three to three and a half percent. Anybody can sell
a home with that. If you have a real estate
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broker and the interest rates are seven and a half percent.
I have a friend who's a real estate broker down
in Florida. Everybody tells me man Florida, that is a
buyer's market man a sellers. They can't they can't sell
anything that. He's never had better years. He's really good
(31:29):
and the interest rates aren't ideal. That's a good real
estate broker. Anybody can anybody if you give him a
track team on the perimeter. Mike McDaniel eighteen running back
touchdowns Weak division where it's Buffalo and team circling the drain,
Patriots rebuilding, Jets rebuilding. So that's my take on Nick
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Siriani is he landed this great, great job, and you
all think Nick Sirianni's a better coaching Kevin Stefanski. The
market reacted to Stefanski's firing. Everybody interviewed him. Siriani's got
a trophy if he lost his job, who's interviewing him? Seriously?
Who I mean, who's hiring him? Maybe he could get
(32:15):
a job. I don't think you get one of the
good ones. It can't just be results based judging winning takes.
There's a lot of different ways to win. We just
had two defensive coaches in a Super Bowl after years
of offensive coaches. So by all accounts, I mean the
offensive line coach for Philadelphia, Jeff Scoutland, considered the best
(32:35):
offensive line coach. He's still coaching. He left the Eagles
with all that talent in the old line he left it.
What does that tell you? So when Green Bay Packer
fans get all worked up about Matt Lafleur, you guys
don't know how good you have it with Matt Lafleur.
You do realize Green Bay doesn't land free agents. How
did the Seahawks get Sam Darnold. Big city, good coach
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convinced him to come there. There were more than one
team wanted Sam Darnold, So Green Bay does not attract
free agents like other places do. I mean, some players
love playing there, but there's not a lot to do.
It's a tiny town. That's a huge disadvantage. The Packers
have always done a great job drafting and developing, mostly
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because that's the only way they can build dynasties. Drafting
and developing. Seahawks can do it multiple ways. Eagles can
do it multiple ways. Rams can do it multiple ways.
Rams give up their first round picks and they're great.
So when I see coaching hot seat and I see
Matt Lafleur on it, I mean they gotta be serious.
(33:44):
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Speaker 1 (34:11):
You've seen the ratings for college basketball this year. Oh yeah,
beating the NBA.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
You know, I'm a college oops guy.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Beating the NBA.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Yeah no, certainly the college basketball season, Colin. This is
I mean, there's like sevent teams that could legitimately win
the Natty.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
There's so many good teams this year. It's gonna be
a great tournament.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
It helps outside of Kansas and their star, you know
who's playing every night. Oh yeah, it's amazing. Football players
tackle each other and yet they're always available on Sunday,
and basketball players run wind sprints and they're always hurt.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
You know, I don't like when you do that. I mean,
it's just college basketball.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
They play fast too. I always get the starters shown up,
seems like to me. So it's amazing. I'm reading a
story this morning how the Russell will and trade by
Seattle really jump started what we're watching now. They got
all these picks, Devin Witherspoon, Charles Cross, the left tackle
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and others, so they started building. But what's interesting is
at that time Russell Wilson was good, but he was
viewed by John Sneyder, The GM is not good enough,
and that's what you can take from the Seahawks Super Bowl.
(35:32):
You're not going to duplicate this defense the dark side.
You're not going to go eight for eight the next
four years on your top two or three picks in
the draft. You're not John Snyder. You don't have that.
What you can identify as something to emulate is what
the Seahawks did. It's the same thing the Niners did
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with Garoppolo, who got to a Super Bowl, and San
Francisco said, we're not going to settle. It's what McVeigh
said that Jared Goff who got to a Super Bowl.
We can be better at that position. It's what Andy
Reid and the Chiefs said, even though Alex Smith got
Kansas City to the playoffs. We're not going to settle
(36:14):
for that. The Eagles with Wentz, we found something we
think is better. You can laugh at this, but the
Bucks had Jamis Winston, who led the NFL in passing yards,
was second in passing touchdowns as the league was transitioning
to an offensive league, and they said, now we're going
(36:35):
to get the old guy, Brady. It's not good enough.
Jameis Winston was wildly productive. Pete Carroll, by the way,
thought Geno Smith was good enough and he got whacked.
Mike McDonald got one year of Geno Smith, got him
out of the building. Were upgrading. That's what you can
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take from the Seattle Seahawks. Don't copy their identity, copied
their mindset, which is, don't settle. I'll give you a
great example. This works. This is a two way street.
DeMarcus Lawrence, who loves Dallas, played with Dallas, wanted to
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end his career with Dallas, went to Seattle, and he
didn't do it for the money. He only got like
eighteen million guaranteed money. DeMarcus Lawrence, do you remember when
he said this?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
You know, Dallas is my home.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I made my home there.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
You know my family lives there.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You know I'm ever going to be there. But you
know I know for sure I'm not going to win
a Super Bowl there. I'm not going to settle for
the Dallas Cowboys. Nonsense. I'm going to go to better structure,
a non medaling owner in his eyes, a better coach,
a better system, and a better roster. So it works.
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It works both ways. It's just that's what you can
from Seattle and the Rams in Kansas City and the
Niners don't settle. Gino's fine. Donald's better, obviously, and it
was obvious before the trade or before the free agent signing.
So here was Donald this week at the parade, reflecting
(38:19):
on his journey.
Speaker 10 (38:21):
I just want to say, I've talked a lot this
last week about belief.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
A lot of.
Speaker 10 (38:25):
People, you know it didn't believe in me, but it
didn't matter because the ones that are close believed in me,
including y'all. I appreciate y'all so much.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
That short list.
Speaker 10 (38:38):
Also includes Jody Allen, John Schneider, Mike McDonald man. I
appreciate the belief y'all had in me for sonning me
last this past year, and last was certainly not least
these players man for believing in me. You know, I
wouldn't be here without these guys.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah, it's it's funny. John Schneider, GM and Mike McDonald,
the coach of the Seahawks, both publicly and privately lamented
the fact they could not figure out why Donald was
so negatively covered by the media. And I think this
(39:16):
goes back to something we've discussed that those initial first
impressions are really strong, especially if it's like a three
year first impression and I'm seeing ghost. People just were
not willing to move off that. There's a lot of
rigidity in sports, which is silly. New information, new opinion.
(39:36):
I've always said, if your biggest criticism of me is
I move off opinions, Yeah, I'll own that forever. New information,
new opinion, Sam Donald, Jets didn't work. Sam Donald end
of his Carolina run OH four and two is a starter.
San Francisco, Minnesota. Seatley's a new player. New information. He's
really really good. Is he top ten good? Maybe closer
to ten than three, but he's good. There are no
(39:58):
question he's good. It was funny having Drew Brees on yesterday.
Here's four quarterbacks who have gone through a playoffs without
a turnover. Darnold, Breeze, Aikman, Steve Young. All of them
had great coaches, all of them had their best roster
ever in their career, and they figured out, I'm not
(40:20):
taking big risks here. You go back to that Saints
team with Breeze we were watching yesterday. The highlights of it.
That Saints team was stacked. They had corners and safeties
and linebackers and running backs. I mean, yeah, they had guys.
They had like bit players on that team that could
play special teams, and Drew Brees figured it out. You know.
(40:41):
It's like there are times as a quarterback it's like
I gotta take risks. We play from behind a lot.
We've got holes. I mean that's Matt Stafford. Like Matt
Stafford knows the Rams corners they should draft two corners
this year before the fourth round. Matt Stafford knows we
got to be good on offense because you can beat
us down. Carolina almost beat them twice. I mean there
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are holes with most teams. Seattle didn't have a hole.
I mean they do not have a hole. They have
exceptional special teams, top three special teams. Even their offensive line,
which I'd criticized during the year. I think center, right guard,
right tackle, it's okay. I think left guard, left tackle
very good. I mean, I'm we say this. I'm not
(41:25):
sure when's the last NFL team, And I guess you
could say Philadelphia last year, but you know I was
Philadelphia's special teams this good. Jalen Hurts doesn't throw over
the middle of the field. Ringer has an article this
week on Jalen Hurts, He like literally doesn't throw over
the middle of the field. There were Nick Sirianni's not
in Mike McDonald's class as a coach. Like, I'm trying
to think of a NFL team in the last eight years,
(41:48):
nine years, ten years, this good everything, a at everything,
and they're all line. Maybe they overachieved, maybe they're better
than we give them credit for all. I was pretty
good to me in the playoff, pretty good in the
super Bowl because New England's defense is good. That wasn't
about the Seahawks ole line, our two necks,
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Ah. Here we go on to Thursday. A lot more
stuff to talk about than I thought we'd have to
talk about, but all sorts of things happening, the combustability rating,
the combustibility factor. In Pittsburgh, we got a controversy with
the Steelers. So nice to have you in today. So
(00:49):
I can I can argue over the last you know,
fifteen twenty years, the greatest Pittsburgh Steeler is Big Ben
Roethlisberger and James Harris on a short list of the
second best player great players. Well, they have podcasts and
they've gone on those podcasts over the last year or
(01:09):
two and been critical of Mike Tomlin and the Steelers.
And by the way, their message is pretty smart. Their
message to me was spot on. But according to Joey
Porter Senior, whose son plays for the Steelers, so you
know he gets very emotional. Joey Porter Senior says Big Ben,
(01:33):
who he calls number seven and James Harrison broke the brotherhood.
He used his brotherhood in the Arctic line, reading like
seven times. So just remember that word. Here is Joey
Porter Senior mad at James Harrison and number seven Big Ben.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Seven definitely broke the brotherhood because like.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
That's the one I don't understand the.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Seven dude that did that. We don't talk about it
now is crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
He should never grab a microphone and really talk still
a business because if we talk and still a business, yea,
his ass is foul of all foul. He's not a
good teammate. Won a Super Bowl, would he? But the
person he's just not a good teammate, Like he knows that.
Anybody in the Steller building knows that. But we protected him.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
If James Harrison and Big Ben don't buy into the
brotherhood his word, maybe the brotherhood's not that important. I
also know Big Ben and James Harrison hit when you
start attacking the messengers and not the message they're onto
something that brotherhood couldn't beat Blake Bortles at home in
(02:48):
the playoffs or Baker Mayfield that brotherhood in the last
eleven games against playoff teams one and ten, averaging fifteen
points giving up twenty eight. The Steelers culture forever under
Tomlin was talent and toughness. I like those qualities, and
(03:11):
I guess brotherhood. But with the Chiefs and the Seahawks
and mcvay's rams and Shanahan's forty nine Ers, I get
the toughness and the talent too, but I get discipline
and schemes like smart football. Have you ever noticed over
the last ten years, as football has gotten much smarter,
(03:34):
more motion, more deception, more looks. There's so many great
coaches out there, Famiko, Ryans, Mike McDonald on the defensive side,
mcveiy Shanahan offensive side. Have you noticed during that time
the Steelers have become less relevant? That's why I defended
old guy Aaron Rodgers this year. Was he part of
(03:56):
the brotherhood? No, he was the new guy. But the
offense finally like grown ups, Fewer penalties, fewer turnovers. Aaron Rodgers,
the new guy walked in at forty two, and it's like, oh,
this is despite having some limitations at wide receiver, You're like, oh,
this is how an offense should function. That Steeler brotherhood
(04:16):
has not beaten a top ten quarterback in the playoffs
in fifteen years, and Big Ben and James Harrison called
it out. You know, Mike Tomlin, bottom ten offense seven years?
Why not innovative, not creative? You can win with defense.
(04:37):
Seattle did it, but a sophisticated, sophisticated, progressive new approach.
New looks not just what the Steelers do. Let's spend
more money. The Steelers pass defense this past year twenty
ninth defensively. How's that brotherhood thing working? I don't know,
Big Ben and James Harrison, and it takes some courage
(05:02):
to do this, pushed back on very popular Mike Tomlin
pushed back on this organization which keeps everything in house.
I'm not into that. I'm about beating teams in February,
in January top quarterbacks. So I mean this whole thing
(05:22):
about talent and toughness. Everybody in the NFL is tough.
Everybody in the NFL has talent. Even called it brotherhood.
But if Big Ben and James Harrison are saying things
they shouldn't to me, that's the underlying problem. What Joey
Porter's saying is, hey, nothing leaves house. That's the problem.
(05:44):
You don't discuss real problems, you don't put them out there,
you don't take criticism. Well, you get stubborn and rigid,
and the way we used to do it, it's the
way we do it. They brought in forty two year
old Aaron Rodgers, old guy in one off season. He
fixed the offense to the degree anybody could fix that
offense where you didn't have a number two receiver. So
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I'm going to defend Big Ben and James Harrison going
out and saying there's some issues here, and some of
them are Mike Tomlin. It should be noted Mike Tomlin
no longer coaches, So Big Ben and James Harrison aren't
the only people that wanted to bring that up. Drew
Brees was on the show yesterday and he was great,
(06:31):
And I was at the end of the show and
I said, Drew, if you look at your career and
you look at Super Bowl champion Sam Darnold's career and
all the turbulence you both had early, does Sam's career
remind you drew a little of your early career.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
All the lessons that we hope to teach our kids
through sports and through team athletics, and that is that
you will face adversity, you will face failure and disappointment,
and it's how you react to it that matters. And
while it didn't work at the first couple of teams
that he went to, he continued to work. He continued
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to recognize where he needed to get better and learn.
While it wasn't maybe the road that he would have
envisioned when he first got in the league, it was
meant to be. And it's what has brought out the
best in him and allowed him to play the way
that he has, lead the way that he has and
also inspire others the way that he has.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Drew said, Yeah, when I watched Donald, I thought of
my early years. And you know what, Drew Breethe's comments
made me think of not Donald arch Manning all these
college quarterbacks now. The minute they have a bad week
or get bad news, I'm out of here. Gimme a paycheck.
I'm out of here. And there are times I think
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college quarterbacks should transfer. Cam Ward at Washington State, get
to Miami. Hurricane offer you take it. Trinidad Chambliss, great
quarterback at old miss came from Farris State. You take
that offer and go to the SEC. But arch Manning
never left. He had to sit for two years at Texas,
(08:16):
and then when he finally played, it was rough. He
got crushed. He was bad, and he stayed there. He
hung in. He was tough. And did you watch his
last five or six games in the SEC? Five and
one beat A and M and ol miss or excuse me,
A and M and Vandy five and one, twenty touchdowns,
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two picks, three hundred and twenty yards a game. He overcame,
he endured, he had to sit. I watched these five
star quarterbacks. If they're not starting by their red shirt
freshman year, I'm out of here. The first sign of
adversity in the NIL world, I am out of here.
You do understand the NFL is adversity. I mean, God,
(09:02):
Belichick and Brady never had dinner for twenty years. Like,
it can be grumpy, it can be harsh, it can
be punitive, it can be tough. You can be injured.
Every time we bring on an NFL player who's even
thirty years old, he's on his ninth surgery. So when
I'm watching Drew Brees talk about Sam Darnold. It makes
me think of arch Manning. That is the one five
(09:25):
star quarterback that I can think of top of mind,
who could have transferred multiple times, who had to sit
behind a guy. I'm absolutely convinced he's more talented than God.
Beat up when he played, was really bad and just
hung in, head down, put in the work, didn't sulk,
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and at the end of this past year is really good.
Too many young quarterbacks see adversity and they scramble. They're
just running, and they don't know where they're running. They're
just running. And I'm not saying you shouldn't transfer again.
If you're at a small school and get an Oklahoma
to call, you should go. I'm not saying that that's opportunity.
(10:07):
If you're at Farris State and the SEC calls, or
you're at cal and Indiana's got money with Kurt Signetty
like you do, I get it go. But there's I'm
telling you when people are banging on arch Manning and
say some article was the biggest bust ever, I'm like
about half these five star quarterbacks, if they're not playing
(10:27):
through one year, they're out the door. Thanks for flying United,
Get me where I can play. We're going to look
back in about ten years, fifteen years at how many
of those get Me out of here guys did. And
my guess is arch Manning will be better than most.
All right, j Mac's there's some you know sometimes during
(10:51):
Super Bowl Week a lot of stories get buried. Yeah,
the Jonathan kaminga Steve Kerr Warrior story got buried. It
is fascinating what's going on? Then got that thing got ugly.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I think that air is over real quick on arch Manning.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
If the Jets have any clue out of tank, they
will tank the entire season and get arch Manning.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
We've screwed this up before. We had to settle for Zach.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Wilson instead of Trevor Lawrence, and this year we're settling
for a no quarterback instead of Fernando Mendoza. If the
Jets want a quarterback and a future in this league,
they got to tank the right way. Even if it's
not Art, it's going to be someone else. Would you
agree on that?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, I don't think Aaron Glenn has to try to tank.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Come on, you're taking jots at Aaron Glenn every day.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I mean, if you don't have an interception as a
defensive coach and playing the same division as Tua. You know,
I think you're tanking without trying, and that's what the
Jets are doing.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Although maybe, hey, maybe there's a chance that the Raiders
don't take Mendoza and the Jets get him at two.
I mean, based on yesterday's talk, and I ran into
a guy at the gym who's a big Raiders guy.
He doesn't want Mendoza, Like, what are you talking to him? Yes,
they are losing their mind.
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You're now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by Credible
Great Rates None of the bull. So I've been doing
this about thirty years, thirty five years, and I always
felt kind of my responsibility is to form relationships in
athletic departments, form relationships in professional league scouting departments. So
I have the most informed opinions. Now I do three
(13:38):
hours a day. Some of it's just my gut instinct
or my eyes, but a lot of times if I
have my strongest opinions. I remember when t Bow was
on a hot streak and I was like, this isn't
going to last, and I had somebody inside the Denver
locker room saying dude can't play, He's not an NFL.
Don't listen to all the nonsense. Whether it was Darnald
over Baker, it was Herbert over two. Through the years,
(14:01):
I've relied on scouts often with my strongest opinions. They
get backed by people in the league. So my scouting guys.
Sometimes there's a problem when I like a player way
more than my scouts do, or I don't like a
player as much as my scouts do. And that's where
Fernando Mendoza like. I like Fernando Mendoza a lot. Everybody
(14:23):
else just kind of likes him. Albert Breer came on
the show yesterday and this is kind of the universal
opinion I hear about the Hoosier quarterback.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Two years ago. When Caleb Williams went first, Jaydeon Daniels
went second, Drake May went third, Pennix went eighth, McCarthy
went tenth, and Nix went twelfth. The consensus I've gotten
is that he would have been the fourth of those quarterbacks,
so right in the middle. I think most teams like
the makeup, they like how much he's won, they like
(14:55):
the accuracy, but is he physically what you know, Say
Drake may was coming out of North Carolin, or Jade
Daniels was coming at LSU, or Caleb Williams was coming
out of USC.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
He's not that Okay. When I watch him, here's what
I see. Bigger, stronger, more athletic version of Matt Ryan.
That's what he looks like. Well, Matt Ryan is ninth
all time in passing yards and top ten all time
in touchdown passes, got to a Super Bowl and led
(15:27):
twenty eight to three, has an MVP season behind him,
fifteen years, four Pro bowls, So add thirty percent to
that because I think Mendoza has got He's a little bigger,
he moves a little better, and I think he's got
a slightly stronger arm. So I think Matt Ryan you
(15:49):
could build a franchise around and get to Super Bowls with.
In fact, I think largely the Falcons failed Matt Ryan.
He didn't fail them. I mean it's a very good
quarter so and again Matt Ryan. Plus, I remember when CJ.
Stroud came out and everybody said Jared Goff's is comp
(16:12):
and I'm like, yeah, that's an accurate comp Jared Goff
gets to Super Bowl. He got to a super Bowl.
Jared Goff's top ten twelve quarterback in the league. That's
what everybody's trying to get. So it's interesting though I
like him a lot. Everybody kind of likes him. To
knock on him is he's not super athletic. It should
be noted Lamar Jackson is and Josh Allen is and
(16:35):
they haven't gotten to a Super Bowl. The athletic thing.
We talk about Sam Donald's athletic How many times did
he scramble in that game? How many times did Sam
Donald scrambled in Super Bowl? Couple what he mostly did.
He commanded the game, managed the game, and didn't use
his hyper athleticism. I'll admit Mendoza's not super athletic, but
(16:59):
I mean, I think his athleticism, I don't think he's
justin Herbert athletic, but he's big and strong like Herbert.
So I see a better version of Matt Ryan. And
Matt Ryan's was really good. It was a really good quarterback.
J Mack with the news, No news.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Let's start at the NBA colin where the San Antonio Spurs,
the best team in the league, yes, you heard that right.
Best team in the league had a nice comeback to
beat the Warriors.
Speaker 9 (17:32):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
They won by.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Thirteen, ended up covering the spread despite a poor three quarters.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
To start the game.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Wemby cooked the Lakers on Tuesday and then basically fillaide
the Warriors on Wednesday. He and Darren Fox combined for
fifty three points following This team is really on fire.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Captain guys. Sorry, starting five, they used two or three
guys off the bench. It's very much like Oklahoma City.
You know exactly who's playing, how many minutes they're playing.
This is what championship teams look like. Okay, seeing the Spurs,
you know when Denver won that title, they had the
same thing. They had to move off guys and they've
never been the same. But because they're not you know,
(18:10):
because right now you're not paying Wemby a fortune and
you're not paying you know, a stefan castle of fortune
is They've got their finances right, They've got draft picks,
the Spurs and OKC. That's how you do it, great GMing,
keep your draft capital, have ascending players and uh and
(18:31):
Wemby is now is Wemby moved into best player in
the league.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Uh, he's in that discussion with Luca yojok Yo kitches
number one has ever helped you?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yo Kitsch is the best player in the league. Wemby's
a much better defensive player. I don't I don't think
you Luca is. I think Luca's dropped down to like
six or seven.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
All right, so hey, real quick, I know you're big
on this is how a championship team looks. You're right,
So do you know want to know the last time
the won a playoff series?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Come eight years ago?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Twenty seventeen. Okay, they have been garbage for the last
eight or nine years. Two playoff appearances and then nothing.
That's how you're able to be good now. And you've
got a lot of young guys because you keep drafting high.
They got Harper, who was a top early pick. They
got Castle, they got one Binyama. Like, that's that's what
it takes. You missed the playoffs for nine years, and.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
That's what Adam Silver wants. That is the new CBA.
But the Lakers, the Lakers aren't close and the Lakers,
the Lakers have tried to transactionally trade for a D
trade for Luca and you can get those players, but
that's not what the league is anymore. And so is
(19:44):
Los Angeles going to be patient with the new Dodgers
owners for years? And I don't think Los Angeles has
built to be that. Like in baseball, you can just
go by guys in the NFL, you can go awful
to great overnight. The NBA now and this is the
Adam Silver n everybody's shooting threes, nobody wins back to backs,
and the one way to build is draft and develop. Well,
(20:07):
the problem is the NFL draft gives you twenty three
year old. The NBA draft gives you a nineteen year old.
So they're not even ready to go to the hotel bar.
So is our Los Angeles Laker fans ready move off Lebron,
get some draft capital and a player for Austin Reeves
and get more athletic and wait for about four years
to get back into that OKC. San Antonio mold Well,
(20:30):
I think patient you used the right word.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
That's the word. That's the key word.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
The Lakers had the young guys, D'Angelo, Russell, Brandon Ingram,
all those early picks, Lonzo Ball.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
We don't have the patients for this.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Let's bring in Lebron James, Let's bring in ad but
they get the title.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
League was less punitive to that that wasn't necessarily bad GMing. No,
that is bad JM.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Now, well, now you're right. It's tough.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
And that's what's going to make this Luca thing tricky
because the league has these stupid new rules that kind
of want to restrict player movement. Colin riddle me this,
why did Adam Silver want that? The best this league
has been post Jordan was the last decade where everybody's
moving around the Warriors, super team, Lebron's creating.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Well, we talked about the NBA more during Kadie Warriors
and the Heatles. And I believe it's because David Stern,
the late Great Commissioner, took over a league that nobody
cared about, so he understood the value of New York
and Chicago and the Celtics and the Lakers, big brands
being great. Adam Silver inherited a different league from David Stern,
(21:36):
one that was top heavy, where where seventy percent of
the owners were unhappy that you could create super teams.
So Adam Silver is like, h, let's have a league
with ultimate parody dynasties are popular. Go back to the
ten most popular NBA teams in my lifetime, Magic's Lakers, Birds, Celtics,
(22:00):
bad Boy Pistons, the Heatles. Doesn't mean every dynasty Duncan
Spurs are beloved or fascinating, but there is a history
in basketball. Ask yourself this the top ten AAU teams
in the country. They always you know, Atlanta Metro, Detroit
Metro Basketball's, Yukon Basketball, Duke Basketball, Yukon women's basketball. Basketball
(22:25):
has always lent itself to dynasties. Why because you only
have five starters and eight rotational players. If you get
two great players together, you could have ten great players
in the NFL. If you've got a crappy coach, you're done.
So basketball is always lent itself. It's the reality of
the structure, the construct of basketball. You're gonna have dynasties,
(22:45):
girls teams, boys team doesn't matter. And so Adam's pushing
back on a reality of the sport. Get out of
the way. If people want to play together, Magic love
playing with Kareem and Worthy and Michael Cooper. Like if
you're gonna have stars, stars want to play with stars.
Kobe wanted Gasol and Shack. He didn't want that two
year period when they didn't have another star.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
And you know who's going to be hurt the most
by this colin is Steph Curry who's stuck on a
putrid Warriors team. Knock, where's he going to go? Not
even a playoff team. And Lebron who is averaging twenty
two six and six or whatever, and he's looking at
like he might just have to take a major pay
cut or retire like it's real. I don't like what
Adam Silver did. I think they butchered this and I'm
(23:27):
not optimistic about that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
You can go to eighth grade basketball where it's boys
and girls, and then it becomes high school basketball, and
then it becomes college basketball, then it becomes pro basketball
on every level. Basketball is about dynasties. You go to
any state in this country, there's one basketball program in
high school that dominated maybe two and I'm talking about
(23:49):
you got you know, outside of maybe California, even big states.
So I just think, just let the water flow where
it goes naturally. Great players want to play with great players.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Yeah, all right, let's move on to the NFL and
the New England Patriots suffered a big l in the
Super Bowl. It's curious whether or not they'll get back there.
But at his final press conference of the season Tuesday,
Mike Rabel broke down a message he gave his team
following the loss.
Speaker 9 (24:16):
Talked about a disappointing finish to a phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Exciting, enjoyable year.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
You know, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 10 (24:25):
Talk to him about the you know, foundation, I think
that we've built.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Much like a home.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
You know, you build a home and then run out
of things to do, and so you continue to add
on to it.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
You finish the basement, you make additions to it.
Speaker 10 (24:43):
And we'll try to do that to this football team.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
And I like the foundation of it, and we'll try
to improve on it.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yep, attack the offensive line, get another tight end and
wide receiver. The defense is good enough, it just needs
more depth. They'll be very good next year. The downside
is the entire AFC had a hiccup this year. Like
I mean, it really was Kansas City and Baltimore and
Burrow and the Chargers lost both their tackles. The problem
for New England isn't their roster, it's their competition. The
(25:15):
AFC had a down year. This was the year with
the Patriot schedule to sneak through. I think there'll be
a better roster next year, and yet won't get to
the AFC Championship with a better roster.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
So the schedule, by the way, the first play schedule
is going to be brutal colin rude.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
It's like last year was a joke. I'm looking at
the schedule.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Jags, Seahawks, Chargers, Chiefs, Lions, Bears. I'm not making this up.
These are the away games. I mean the in the division.
They'll beat the Jets and the Dolphins. That's fine, they
got to go to the Bears, the Lions.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
I don't think.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Let's again, everybody can get excited about Drake May and Rabel.
There's a world where this team misses the playoffs next year. Listen,
it's not a lock.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
The biggest advantage the NFL has over college football, and
you and I love college football, is that the better
you get, the league stacks the rosters against you. You know,
in college football, the better Sabans team's got. The more
power Nick had with the schedule and the softer out
of conference schedule, they wouldn't go on the road out
(26:18):
of conference against anybody. Right, it was like neutral field
or in Tuscaloosa. The great thing about the NFL where
it really separates, you get more high quality games. You
get a new England schedule for a year, take advantage
of it. The following year you are going to face
a gauntlet of great teams. And that is why it
(26:38):
creates all these great games. Think about this. We got
about fourteen games a weekend in the NFL. Nine are compelling.
What's the hit rate in college football? You got seventy
games a weekend. There's six good ones. You have so
many lopsided games. So I love that the Patriots took
advantage of this. But next year's true serum, and then
(27:01):
they'll be better. But they won't have as good a record,
not even close.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
All right.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
Final story is the Seattle Seahawks wrapping up their Super
Bowl win. Ernest Jones, the linebacker, came to the defense
of Sam Darnold double yesterday at the bar two days
ago at the pre.
Speaker 9 (27:18):
Shout out to the Madas who.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Played this game the right way.
Speaker 9 (27:24):
Not only do we have the best defense in the world,
we got the best team in the world. And quite frankly,
if you got anything to say for my quarterback, you
got anything to say for my defense, you got anything
to say from my hold on, and you got anything
to say by the city of Seattle. I got two
(27:44):
words for you.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
That was kind of frank he Ernest is the hammer.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I mean, geez, how many drinks of the guys that point?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Come on?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Goodness gracious?
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Okay, Sam Darnold won the Super Bowl, he went to
Disneyland the.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
End J Mack within them.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So I uh so I just saw this. Uh the
Packers Matt Lafleur serious story has landed on the coaching
hot seat list. So here, according to this story, the
ten coaches on the hot seat Aaron Glenn obviously, uh
(28:39):
and you know Brian Schottenheimer, Todd Bowle, Zach Taylor like
Summer Predictable. They have Matt Lafleur at number nine, second
most wins in the history of the NFL for a
coach in his first seven wins seven years. According to
Fox Sports dot Com, they got they got Matt Lafleur
on the list. Okay, don't agree with that at all.
(29:01):
The interesting one, though, is Nick Sirianni Eagles coach at too,
because I believe the market is the truth. When Cleveland
fired Kevin Stefanski, he interviewed with the top five jobs
within a week. I said, when they fired him, he's
(29:21):
going to land the first or second best job on
the market. Now, Buffalo didn't look like it had any
intention of hiring anybody but Joe Brady, so that one
was kind of out, and Baltimore really leaning heavily into
Jesse Minter. But I don't the market is the truth.
Kevin Stefanski interviewed immediately for all the top jobs. What's
(29:42):
interesting with Siriani is I don't think he getting her
job not quickly. So fans are completely swayed by winning,
but there's a lot of different ways to win. Sometimes
a coach inherit's a mess Bill Parcell's care and turns
around quickly. And sometimes a coach inherits a really good roster.
(30:05):
Nick Siriani, he inherited a great O line and a
great owner and a great GM and great team momentum.
I mean they got rid of a coach who won
a Super Bowl. So you got to be careful results
based analysis, where you base everything on the results is flawed.
(30:25):
That's what Miami did, and they paid fifty four million
a year for Tua. Well, he made a Pro Bowl,
I mean anyway, he made the playoffs. He had a
great offensive coach when he was making the playoffs. He
had a running back that led the NFL and touchdowns.
He had a track team on the sidelines at wide receiver,
(30:46):
and the Jets and the Patriots were a mess and rebuilding. Okay,
you can't just be swayed by results. That's like judging
a real estate broker. Only when the interest rates are
three to three and a half percent. Anybody can sell
a home with that. If you have a real estate
(31:08):
broker and the interest rates are seven and a half percent.
I have a friend who's a real estate broker down
in Florida. Everybody tells me man Florida, that is a
buyer's market man a sellers. They can't they can't sell
anything that. He's never had better years. He's really good
(31:29):
and the interest rates aren't ideal. That's a good real
estate broker. Anybody can anybody if you give him a
track team on the perimeter. Mike McDaniel eighteen running back
touchdowns Weak division where it's Buffalo and team circling the drain,
Patriots rebuilding, Jets rebuilding. So that's my take on Nick
(31:53):
Siriani is he landed this great, great job, and you
all think Nick Sirianni's a better coaching Kevin Stefanski. The
market reacted to Stefanski's firing. Everybody interviewed him. Siriani's got
a trophy if he lost his job, who's interviewing him? Seriously?
Who I mean, who's hiring him? Maybe he could get
(32:15):
a job. I don't think you get one of the
good ones. It can't just be results based judging winning takes.
There's a lot of different ways to win. We just
had two defensive coaches in a Super Bowl after years
of offensive coaches. So by all accounts, I mean the
offensive line coach for Philadelphia, Jeff Scoutland, considered the best
(32:35):
offensive line coach. He's still coaching. He left the Eagles
with all that talent in the old line he left it.
What does that tell you? So when Green Bay Packer
fans get all worked up about Matt Lafleur, you guys
don't know how good you have it with Matt Lafleur.
You do realize Green Bay doesn't land free agents. How
did the Seahawks get Sam Darnold. Big city, good coach
(33:02):
convinced him to come there. There were more than one
team wanted Sam Darnold, So Green Bay does not attract
free agents like other places do. I mean, some players
love playing there, but there's not a lot to do.
It's a tiny town. That's a huge disadvantage. The Packers
have always done a great job drafting and developing, mostly
(33:23):
because that's the only way they can build dynasties. Drafting
and developing. Seahawks can do it multiple ways. Eagles can
do it multiple ways. Rams can do it multiple ways.
Rams give up their first round picks and they're great.
So when I see coaching hot seat and I see
Matt Lafleur on it, I mean they gotta be serious.
(33:44):
That's just not serious. Live in Chicago's.
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Speaker 6 (33:55):
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the inaugural Nashville Hoops.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Showdown as Number fifteen.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Virginia takes on Bruce Thornton and Ohio State it all
begins Saturday at eighties Tron on Fox.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
You've seen the ratings for college basketball this year. Oh yeah,
beating the NBA.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
You know, I'm a college oops guy.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Beating the NBA.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Yeah no, certainly the college basketball season, Colin. This is
I mean, there's like sevent teams that could legitimately win
the Natty.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
There's so many good teams this year. It's gonna be
a great tournament.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
It helps outside of Kansas and their star, you know
who's playing every night. Oh yeah, it's amazing. Football players
tackle each other and yet they're always available on Sunday,
and basketball players run wind sprints and they're always hurt.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
You know, I don't like when you do that. I mean,
it's just college basketball.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
They play fast too. I always get the starters shown up,
seems like to me. So it's amazing. I'm reading a
story this morning how the Russell will and trade by
Seattle really jump started what we're watching now. They got
all these picks, Devin Witherspoon, Charles Cross, the left tackle
(35:11):
and others, so they started building. But what's interesting is
at that time Russell Wilson was good, but he was
viewed by John Sneyder, The GM is not good enough,
and that's what you can take from the Seahawks Super Bowl.
(35:32):
You're not going to duplicate this defense the dark side.
You're not going to go eight for eight the next
four years on your top two or three picks in
the draft. You're not John Snyder. You don't have that.
What you can identify as something to emulate is what
the Seahawks did. It's the same thing the Niners did
(35:53):
with Garoppolo, who got to a Super Bowl, and San
Francisco said, we're not going to settle. It's what McVeigh
said that Jared Goff who got to a Super Bowl.
We can be better at that position. It's what Andy
Reid and the Chiefs said, even though Alex Smith got
Kansas City to the playoffs. We're not going to settle
(36:14):
for that. The Eagles with Wentz, we found something we
think is better. You can laugh at this, but the
Bucks had Jamis Winston, who led the NFL in passing yards,
was second in passing touchdowns as the league was transitioning
to an offensive league, and they said, now we're going
(36:35):
to get the old guy, Brady. It's not good enough.
Jameis Winston was wildly productive. Pete Carroll, by the way,
thought Geno Smith was good enough and he got whacked.
Mike McDonald got one year of Geno Smith, got him
out of the building. Were upgrading. That's what you can
(36:57):
take from the Seattle Seahawks. Don't copy their identity, copied
their mindset, which is, don't settle. I'll give you a
great example. This works. This is a two way street.
DeMarcus Lawrence, who loves Dallas, played with Dallas, wanted to
(37:17):
end his career with Dallas, went to Seattle, and he
didn't do it for the money. He only got like
eighteen million guaranteed money. DeMarcus Lawrence, do you remember when
he said this?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
You know, Dallas is my home.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I made my home there.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
You know my family lives there.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You know I'm ever going to be there. But you
know I know for sure I'm not going to win
a Super Bowl there. I'm not going to settle for
the Dallas Cowboys. Nonsense. I'm going to go to better structure,
a non medaling owner in his eyes, a better coach,
a better system, and a better roster. So it works.
(37:56):
It works both ways. It's just that's what you can
from Seattle and the Rams in Kansas City and the
Niners don't settle. Gino's fine. Donald's better, obviously, and it
was obvious before the trade or before the free agent signing.
So here was Donald this week at the parade, reflecting
(38:19):
on his journey.
Speaker 10 (38:21):
I just want to say, I've talked a lot this
last week about belief.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
A lot of.
Speaker 10 (38:25):
People, you know it didn't believe in me, but it
didn't matter because the ones that are close believed in me,
including y'all. I appreciate y'all so much.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
That short list.
Speaker 10 (38:38):
Also includes Jody Allen, John Schneider, Mike McDonald man. I
appreciate the belief y'all had in me for sonning me
last this past year, and last was certainly not least
these players man for believing in me. You know, I
wouldn't be here without these guys.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah, it's it's funny. John Schneider, GM and Mike McDonald,
the coach of the Seahawks, both publicly and privately lamented
the fact they could not figure out why Donald was
so negatively covered by the media. And I think this
(39:16):
goes back to something we've discussed that those initial first
impressions are really strong, especially if it's like a three
year first impression and I'm seeing ghost. People just were
not willing to move off that. There's a lot of
rigidity in sports, which is silly. New information, new opinion.
(39:36):
I've always said, if your biggest criticism of me is
I move off opinions, Yeah, I'll own that forever. New information,
new opinion, Sam Donald, Jets didn't work. Sam Donald end
of his Carolina run OH four and two is a starter.
San Francisco, Minnesota. Seatley's a new player. New information. He's
really really good. Is he top ten good? Maybe closer
to ten than three, but he's good. There are no
(39:58):
question he's good. It was funny having Drew Brees on yesterday.
Here's four quarterbacks who have gone through a playoffs without
a turnover. Darnold, Breeze, Aikman, Steve Young. All of them
had great coaches, all of them had their best roster
ever in their career, and they figured out, I'm not
(40:20):
taking big risks here. You go back to that Saints
team with Breeze we were watching yesterday. The highlights of it.
That Saints team was stacked. They had corners and safeties
and linebackers and running backs. I mean, yeah, they had guys.
They had like bit players on that team that could
play special teams, and Drew Brees figured it out. You know.
(40:41):
It's like there are times as a quarterback it's like
I gotta take risks. We play from behind a lot.
We've got holes. I mean that's Matt Stafford. Like Matt
Stafford knows the Rams corners they should draft two corners
this year before the fourth round. Matt Stafford knows we
got to be good on offense because you can beat
us down. Carolina almost beat them twice. I mean there
(41:02):
are holes with most teams. Seattle didn't have a hole.
I mean they do not have a hole. They have
exceptional special teams, top three special teams. Even their offensive line,
which I'd criticized during the year. I think center, right guard,
right tackle, it's okay. I think left guard, left tackle
very good. I mean, I'm we say this. I'm not
(41:25):
sure when's the last NFL team, And I guess you
could say Philadelphia last year, but you know I was
Philadelphia's special teams this good. Jalen Hurts doesn't throw over
the middle of the field. Ringer has an article this
week on Jalen Hurts, He like literally doesn't throw over
the middle of the field. There were Nick Sirianni's not
in Mike McDonald's class as a coach. Like, I'm trying
to think of a NFL team in the last eight years,
(41:48):
nine years, ten years, this good everything, a at everything,
and they're all line. Maybe they overachieved, maybe they're better
than we give them credit for all. I was pretty
good to me in the playoff, pretty good in the
super Bowl because New England's defense is good. That wasn't
about the Seahawks ole line, our two necks,
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