Former Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray signs with the Vikings and Colin loves the fit, but it also might spell the end for JJ McCarthy - and a lesson in not getting caught up in "winning guy." Lebron has to adjust to new life with the Lakers as the team belongs to Luka Doncic and Austin Reeves now. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is just another data point to the best scorers in the NBA don't need to be the most athletic freaks.
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Speaker 1 (00:32):
Wherever you may be, and however you may be listening
or watching Phuzy Week Free Agency, World Baseball Classic, NBA
March Madness Selection Sunday is coming up. John Middlecoff sitting
in for Jason McIntyre today from the Volume.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
So John'm going to.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Start today with a Kyler Murray topic. Because you live
in Arizona, you've seen a lot of Kyler Murray. I
used to live in LA watched a lot of NFC West.
So Kyler Murray has signed a one year deal with
the great Kevin O'Connell, great coach, great offensive coach. This
is where Sam Darnold's career was reborn. They signed him
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for a year, And what does that mean for JJ McCarthy.
I think we all know JJ McCarthy, and I'm not
saying it's easy to figure out first round, second round quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I know it's hard.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
But JJ McCarthy is a cautionary tale for every general
manager in the NFL. Beware of two things, the game
manager at the college level, and beware of when the
number one trait for a college quarterback is he's a winner.
That's what they said about t Bow. That doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
These game managing college quarterbacks usually come from Alabama or
Ohio State, Georgia, these football factories where they can turn
and hand it off, throw twenty three times a game.
Jjm McCarthy. He came from the best Michigan team probably ever.
Thirteen guys were drafted, stacked roster, and he only threw
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for twenty two touchdowns. Joe Burrell played on a stacked
roster at LSU.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
He threw for sixty.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
If you're going to play in a roster like that,
you don't have to carry the team. But I better
see like forty five touchdowns. Fifty five touchdowns every quarterback
in JJ McCarthy's class. Everyone Bo Nicks, Jaden Daniels, Michael Pennix,
Drake May, Caleb Williams, every other first round quarterback, every
other one USC, Oregon, North Carolina, LSU, some good programs.
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They had to throw for over three hundred yards a game.
JJ McCarthy two for under two hundred yards a game.
That's the first warning side and the second. And I
know Pat in the backtime. I said he is the
one quarterback coming in this first round draft class. I
don't think it's going to work. The other thing was,
first of all, he didn't have any rate wow traits.
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Caleb Williams, wow horsepower, Bo Nicks, toughness, durability, athletic ability,
Jaden Daniels kind of a Lamar Jackson type player. Drake May,
big size, big arm, Pennix, good arm. JJ McCarthy's a winner.
A winner is how you should describe a poker player
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or a lawyer. If you tell me a lawyer, the
guy's a winner. It's kind of all I need to know.
Poker player, guy's a winner. Sit down at the table.
That's Phil helm youth. That's all I need to know.
We don't talk about any other athlete and say he's
a winner. We don't draft cornerbacks left tackles, guards, running
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backs and say, well, you know, production was so so,
but he is a winner. Doesn't mean anything. Same with
college basketball players. Nobody's drafting Darren Peterson number one because
he's a winner. They're looking at his talent and his traits.
So I just I don't buy the he's a winner thing.
Now you could say Fernando Mendoza Colin, Yeah, he won
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because he's a killer, because he's great late, because he
beat Miami almost single handedly in the fourth quarter. He
did the same with Penn State on the road. That's different.
He was asked to carry a good roster. That JJ
McCarthy Michigan roster wasn't a good roster. It's the best
Michigan roster ever, thirteen guys drafted. That's an Ohio State, Bama, Georgia,
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LSU level roster. And did he carry it? Yeah, at
times he did. He did against Miami late, he did
against Oregon fourth quarter. So there's a difference. And you know,
you can say what you want about Conder Murray again,
he and Sam Darnold have been the two quarterbacks that
I always liked more than the market because they have
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wow traits. His elusiveness, a plus. Wow, his deep ball
excellent and for the record, since he was drafted Kyler
Murray among active quarterbacks top ten and two down passes.
So he's actually productive with experience and elusive and a
great deep ball. He's going to win this job. But
it's a cautionary tale. Be very careful about. He's a
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winner or game manager at college. It just doesn't translate
to Sunday football. Okay, So Luca had fifty one last
night and the Lakers beat the Bulls, but that wasn't
the story. And this is a real story, and it's
actually asking a lot of Lebron James. So we talked
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a lot before the season. I said, this is going
to be the strangest year in Lebron james life. Every offense,
even last year with heavy Luca and Luca off an injury,
Lebron needed the ball in his hands for the offense
to be effective.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I said, this year is going to be different.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
The difference between in shape, skinny Luca still in his
prime in Lebron. The GAP's going to be huge and
Lebron's going to have to learn for the first time
in his career to play off the ball all the time.
Now he's having a bad shooting year off the ball
because is Let's be honest, his jump shot has always
been streaking and inconsistent. But what really happened this year
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that makes it even tougher for Lebron is that Austin
Reeves has popped and now Lebron should probably have the
ball as a third offensive option on the Lakers. So
to ask a guy that was face of the NBA
for twenty years, hey, we not only need you to
be off the ball with Luca, but Austin Reeves as well,
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it is a big ask. I don't think Michael Jordan
would have done that. I don't think most all time
players are gonna do that. And the fact that Lebron's
always been about winning and he has and I've defended
him early when he used to not take the big
shot like MJ or Kobe, and I'd say he's a
winning player. He makes the right basketball play. So this
is a big ask and Lebron's entire career, it was
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the opposite. He had to ask Dwayne Wade, you're the two.
He had to go to Chris Bosch, Hey, get out
of the paint, go in the corner. He had to
tell Kyrie Irving Bro I'm gonna carry the ball. You
have to play off ball. So everybody has sacrificed for
Lebron and should have his entire career, even Luke a
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little bit last year. But this Lebron's different. His usage
rate lowest of his career by a wide margin. Is
you know, field goals taken per game lowest of his career,
wide margin. So this is what we talked about all preseason.
This is gonna be a weird year for Lebron. Face
the league to not only the second option, but net
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rating tells you the third option. He's gonna have to
set screens. He's gonna have to rebound a little more,
He's gonna have to do the dirty work. And you
know this year, when Lebron shoots more than twenty times,
Lakers are zero and three. When he shoots under twenty times,
they're twenty seven to fifteen. The numbers don't lie. But
I do think it's a big ask. I don't think
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MJ would have done it. I don't think a lot
of stars that can still play at Lebron's level individually
would do it. But Lebron's always been a winning player.
I just think he deserves credit for committing to this
kind of basketball when he could score twenty four a
night for half the teams in the league or more.
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And here was JJ Reddick after the win.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Lebron and I we talked. We had a great conversation
over the last couple of days. I think again, he
wants to do everything possible to help this team win,
and he understands the importance of making sure Luca and
Ar can be at their best. And you know that's
that's incredible of him. The team is most important. You know,
(08:50):
everybody successful when we win. So yeah, it is a sacrifice.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I know what I'm capable of still doing as an individual,
but most important for this team, I'm able to to
adapt to it.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
What's important for this team, and that's the only thing
that matters in the win. Is only that matters.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It was interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I was reading an article yesterday and they were talking
about Lebron. I've never seen this before with any Lebron article.
JJ Reddick was talking about, I'm gonna need him to
set some screens. I've never seen screens in Lebron in
the same sentence before. Not that he's not capable of
doing it, but I'm defending Lebron here.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
This is a big ask.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
At some point on a show, I'm gonna be the
third voice, and I don't know if I'll be as
good as Lebron.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I don't know if I'll pass it. But Lebron deserves credit.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Lakers playing well, and Austin Reeves has blossomed by the
way with Luca, and I think everybody sees it, and
fortunately right now Lebron sees it. Okay, there's a couple
of things. First of all, the Kyner Murray situation. What's
happening in the NFL is and boy, you're seeing it.
I said this yesterday. I think Kyler Murray is going
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to be our Sam Darnold. Don't think he's going to
be that good. I don't think he's going to go
to a super Bowl. I don't think he's going to
win fourteen games with Minnesota. But I think he's going
to be really successful. But the other thing is, over
the last several years, I have taken two teams every year,
and I'm on a four year heater eight for eight.
(10:21):
I want to go ten for ten. So last year
I took Seattle in New England. Seattle was my already
pretty good, gonna be much better than everybody thinks. Team
got to a Super Bowl. And then I always picked
my double year win total at minimum team that was
New England, So last year was pretty good. I have
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officially picked my two NFL teams on a four year streak.
I have picked him as of this morning, and I'll
give you that.
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Speaker 1 (12:00):
So Minnesota won nine games last year, and they were offensively,
they were kind of a mess. They had the fourth
fewest touchdown passes in the sport. So they're over under
going into this year. According to DraftKings is eight and
a half. So they won nine games last year and
they led the NFL and giveaways. They were one of
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the worst third down offenses in a bottom five total offense.
And so it's official. The New York Giants. I take
two teams every year. The New York Giants are my
double year win total team hiring John Harbaugh.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Last year.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
My double your win total team was New England with
Vrabel and all that money in free agency, and we
got pretty fortunate they made the Super Bowl. I didn't
think they would make the super Bowl, but I thought
they would be an automatic double yr win total team
last year and then every year I pick a team
that I think is already pretty good, but it's going
to go into next year and be much better than
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everybody thinks.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I'm going to do that with Minnesota. So they're over
unders eight and a half.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I think they have a chance to be an eleven
win team and you think it's crazy. But their defense
last year with Brian Flores, I think it's exceptional. I
think their offensive line was banged up, it's very good.
So this goes back to Kyler Murray. Like Sam Darnold,
bad organization. You keep asking who's the next Sam. I
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think it's Kyler. With Kevin O'Connell, great weapons, legit, left tackle, tight.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Ends, a star.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
There's no reason why a guy with a better owner
and a better coach and a better old line and
supporting cast can't take a team that won nine last
year and was a mess offensively in an offensive league.
Here's Albert Breer this week on Kyle fitting in with
the Vikings, and.
Speaker 8 (13:56):
I think if you're Kyle and Murray, you look at
that situation, the opportunity to work with Kevin O'Connell, an
offensive line that they've invested in, Jordan Jefferson, justin Jefferson,
Jordan Addison, TJ.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Hawkinson.
Speaker 9 (14:08):
I mean, you start to add up the pieces that
you've got in Minnesota, and even though they didn't play
very well last year, a lot of those same elements
that put Sam Darnold in position to resurrect his career
would still be there for Kyler Murray.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So there we go, Giants, double your win total. Vikings
my Seahawks of next year, and John Middlecoff former NFL scout,
Volume three and out podcasts with the news.
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Speaker 10 (14:38):
Well, Colin, let's start with the World Baseball Classic, and
it got a little dicey for us, but we've advanced
and tonight on Fox at eight pm Eastern, we take
on Canada.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (14:50):
Well, the last time Colin team USA took on Canada,
it went pretty well for US. And one of those
Olympic stars called in a and gave a little pep
talk for the baseball team.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Here's Mark de Rosa.
Speaker 11 (15:04):
Jack Hughes sent the boys a nice little fire up,
little message that I put out on their group chat.
And I know there's talks of some hockey jerseys being
sent in tomorrow for the guys to wear during VP.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, this thing's actually been a big hit, and I
think what it feels like. You know, when you get
buy in from pro athletes on international competitions, it's just
an easy sell. You wrap great stars in these infrequent
events and you wrap the flag around it. And this
has gotten incredible relevance and numbers more than it's ever
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you know, Fox put it front and center and it
started back in two thousand and six. It was good,
but in a crowded network at ESBN, it kind of
got buried. Nobody's fault. They just have you know, they
just had a lot of games. So this thing has
been undervalued for years. We said it when it started.
This is one of the smarter pickups by Fox, and
it has been a home run event.
Speaker 10 (16:04):
It does feel like our two biggest American stars, Harper
and Judge.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Are all in.
Speaker 10 (16:09):
They feel like the hockey guys like Jack Hughes. This
is not gonna be easy. We're the betting favorites right now.
But if we take care of Canada I think we will,
then we probably got the Dominican and then potentially the Japanese.
I mean, this is we're gonna have to earn this
and the thing in these World Baseball Classic, Colin, none
of these pitchers are going seven or eight years, so
you got to mix and match that.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
You need the guys to hit.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, no question. I have to hate your way to
this championship.
Speaker 10 (16:32):
Okay, I know this is a favorite topic of yours,
the USC Trojans.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Yes, Makai Lemon, he had a Pro Day.
Speaker 10 (16:39):
And your guy less need flies under the radar in
the offseason, doesn't attend the Combine, doesn't usually attend Pro days,
but this being in his backyard, he attended, and he
said this about Lemon. He is a guy who makes
watching football fun. The Rams, while they traded one of
their first round picks, Remember they got the thirteenth overall pick. Yeah,
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Pooka Nakua's contract is lingering Lemon the Rams.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Could you see that happening?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Count Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Okay, So you know, Ohio State's been a football factory
and Marvin Harrison's son got all the publicity. But JSN
in a Mecca Abuka route runners have become better NFL receivers.
So Mackay Lemon reminds me of that Jacoby Lane played
for USC this year. A couple of years ago, Deuce
Robinson did it tight end. They are massive athletes, huge hands.
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Mackay Lemon is just more productive. And I'm not saying
he's not. He's not the prospect of JSN or a Mecca,
a Buca, but he.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
In that line.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
It's route running, it's quicker than you think. It's great
if you throw the ball in the air and he
gets his hand on it. He's got strong hands, highly productive.
We have a little bit of a trend in the
NFL now because so many people play zone. As you know,
is Puka Nakua a burner? No, But in his zone
he's usually very good catching the ball, strong hands, good
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after contact. That is what Lemon is. He is a
modern receiver. He is a quarterback's friend. You don't have
to worry about ego, you don't have to worry about
running the wrong route. He's not going to beat many
people down the field. But he's as good a USC
wide receiver they've had, probably since Keishawn Johnson.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Honestly, I agree.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
He's a really good player.
Speaker 10 (18:26):
My question is for the Rams, how often are I mean,
they never have first round picks, let alone draft this high.
The opportunity to potentially get alignment. Last time they drafted
relatively high, they took Jared Verse.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
That worked out pretty well. Yeah, but I do.
Speaker 10 (18:39):
Say this, if they take Lemon with the thirteenth overall pick,
does that signal you know, Puka Nakua?
Speaker 6 (18:45):
What are we talk?
Speaker 10 (18:46):
One hundred and forty hundred and fifty million dollars guaranteed?
Could that be big picture? Maybe Puka's not long for
the team, which sounds crazy because he's such a great player, but.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
He gets dinged up.
Speaker 10 (18:56):
Yeah, in his style, not like Jefferson, not like some
of these players. He is a very physical player, right yep.
So can that sustain over a ten year career? Historically
it can be very hit or miss. Another one of
your of your favorite teams, Collin the Chicago Bears. Yeah,
they were obviously a smashing success under Ben Johnson. And
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they just signed a receiver Khalif Rayman, who comes from
the Lions and knows Ben Johnson. Well, here's what he
had to say about his former offensive coordinator, a new
head coach.
Speaker 12 (19:28):
And I'll never forget the first day he had everybody
saying and everyone, you know, it's good, better best, you
know you know, you're not used to doing like chance
to like that, and then we started winning, and then
he started doing it here and everybody's winning, so I'm like, well,
we better be good, better best then. So no, it's uh,
it's it's a testament to who he is.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Man.
Speaker 12 (19:45):
He's not taking sharoff because he wants to looks mat.
He's taking a shotoff, probably because he probably slept three
hours that week and they to go put all the
work in to go win the game. So it's a
testament to who he is. And I'm proud of him.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
For the record, I do like the Lions' new offensive coordinator,
Drew Practsy, who they got from Arizona. But I will
say this at the top of the hour, because all
the coaching hires are done and all the relevant free
agent signings are done, I'm going to give you my
top ten teams.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
The draft may tweak the order. I mean, Raiders are
obviously better with Fernando Mendoza than without, but they're not
a top ten team. The draft won't change my order
much unless somebody really knocks it out of the park
and I adapt most of the teams at the top
the Cleveland's the Jets. They're not going to make the
top ten, but I'll have my top ten post free agency,
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and I will say the Bears feel like to me,
they may not have the rams roster, but they are
missing one thing, a rush end. Outside of that, a
corner maybe in the draft, a rush end. I think
Chicago looks really good.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Well, I'm all in like you on Ben Johnson.
Speaker 10 (20:54):
If you tell me that Caleb Williams just has a
slight improvement with accuracy comes a more consistent player. I
think this team could be the number one seed.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Collin.
Speaker 10 (21:04):
Obviously, they got a huge home field advantage. Here's the
other thing. Now, they got the Bills pick for Dj Moore. Yeah,
they could take one of those seconds and move up
into the first round and get aggressive. And listen, we
think Max Crosby's coming back, but we know these things
are fluid. Ryan Poles has already said, we were sniffing around,
we were having dialogue. I would never count them out.
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I would say they are still going to monitor that situation.
Now you feel leading up to the draft with the
Max Crosby.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Oh yeah, absolutely, And again they have a first and
two two's, so they're gonna solve their corner issue late
first round. They probably get a corner. There's two or
three really good corners. Late Bears probably get one of them.
There they solve their corner issue. My guess is they
go rush end next. They don't have an offensive need
now they got Brad Barry from the Patriots at center.
They really don't need to draft anybody offensively. It's one
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of the more complete offenses along with the Rams in
the sport Eagles. They have to lean defense this point forward,
and I think their first three picks will probably all
be defensive picks.
Speaker 10 (22:06):
It's amazing when you nail the coach. How bright the
future is Colin in the NFL. I mean, this isn't
a complicated strategy.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
If not.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
John Middlcoff with the News, well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
The herd line.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So last night, okay, see the defending champs Beach Boston
and SGA eclipses Wilt Chamberlain for the NBA's longest twenty
point streak. So there, listen there. Everybody loves beating up
on SGA. There are a lot of different ways to score.
I've used this stat forever. The leading score in the
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NBA in the eighties was not Michael Jordan. It was
Alex English, who reminds me, honestly, a little of SGA
couldn't jump over a folded newspaper. I don't remember any dunks,
not highly vertical. There's a lot of Kiki Vanduway scored
a lot of points. He wasn't jumping over people. So
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SGA is smooth, fluid, efficient, crazy, consistent. Now everybody calls
him a free throw merchant. He had no free throws
in the fourth quarter last night. He had eight total
in the game, and Jalen Brown had fourteen. So eleven
people in the NBA had more free throws last night
than SGA, including Josh minnot.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Whoever. That is okay.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So he's averaging thirty two and gets eight made free
throws on the thirty two points. That's not outrageous to me.
And there's been players like this in the NBA. Karl
Malone drew a lot of fowls. Michael Jordan, James Harden
drew a lot of fowls. I think when I look
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at SGA, you know who I think of, Tim Duncan
and Tom Brady, Like bizarre efficiency crazy, consistency, no drama
to their personality. They win a lot more than their peers.
Duncan Brady SGA. It's not highly dynamic, it's not dramatic.
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I mean, Luca and Ant are far more fun to watch,
but they'll have three for twelve nights from three point Land.
They're more inconsistent shooting the ball. SGAs. He's the train
that's always on time. So again, Sean Camp, Dominique Wilkins,
Charles Barkley. Way more fun to watch those three guys combined,
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no titles, and I mean this whole thing about he's
a free throw merchant. The league is not privately rigging
it so that their smallest market kind of bland superstar
runs the league. He is a really smart player who
manipulates defenders and gets to the line. Last though, fourth quarter,
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didn't shoot a free throw and they still won. He
leads the NBA in clutch scoring, you know, but but
he is driving people. And I've said this about the
NBA for years among players, players love Russell Westbrook. A
lot of players Roll was cool on Steph Curry because
Russell Westbrook had the hops and the vertical and he
(25:23):
was forceful, and he was just in like he's a
basketball player. Russell Westbrook and his prime that other basketball
players like, oh dude, you go watch this guy. This
guy's got crazy hops. And then the NBA that matters,
like style matters, SGA is way more. Carl Malone and
guys like that get criticized because it's not as much
fun to watch. Sean Kemp beloved, was he a winning player?
(25:48):
Clyde Drexler beloved.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
They don't want to.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Really practice or play defense. So I'm I mean, listen,
in the fourth quarter, SGA shot nearly ninety percent, didn't
never free throw, and they beat an excellent team. I'm
on team SGA. Here's Jalen Brown apparently still taking shots
on SG and all the free throw attempts.
Speaker 13 (26:08):
I don't foul be I'm not looking to, you know,
flop or anything like that, but it's almost like you
got to. It's almost like there's a couple of plays
in the fourth quarter what I feel like, I drove strong,
went up strong, and I didn't get the benefit of
the doubt. But maybe if I were to flop, maybe
I would able to sell that call. In those deside games,
we commend players for, you know, playing the game.
Speaker 14 (26:31):
The right way. But you know, we we give the
benefit to those who you know, who necessarily are trying
to manipulate the game into their advantage.
Speaker 13 (26:42):
I just don't think it's basketball.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Well it is basketball, and I would argue most great players,
what do you what do you consider manipulation? So, I
mean Charles Barkley was great at using his big bot
to get angles and position. Dennis Rodman's an all time
great manipulator of body leverage, shoulders. But I mean Rodman
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was one of the smartest manipulators of body and angles.
He used to live. There's stories about Rodman used to
sit and watch the Bulls practice even if he wasn't
practicing that day, to just watch where the missshots came
off the rim from Jordan and Pippin. And that is manipulation.
There are guys coaches do this. They manipulate college basketball
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coaches manipulate officials. They bark, dy bark, they bark, and
they get that late game call. So I think bask
a lot of basketball's manipulation. It's trying to get a
defense that you can manipulate to one side of the floor,
swinging around, skip it around and get better looking jumpers.
So I mean, I SGA's game isn't the most dynamic.
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It's a Duncan Brady feel to it, Like it's just
crazy efficient, crazy consistency. Here's SGA on passing Wilt record.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
We've won to a streak, most most and most importantly,
and then I just had so much fun playing basketball
in the last year and a half, probably because I've
done a lot of winning. But just like the group
of guys, they always make losing lighthearted and winning super fun.
And you stay in the right mind frame when you
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stay together and when you're connected as a unit and
just have fun throughout the whole process, you get the
best out of things. And then that's what this group is.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, he's not the first player to get pushed back
on his style. James Harden did for years. In fact,
the NBA stepped in. NBA has not stepped in here.
They don't feel it's the manipulation or the skirting of
rules like they did with James James Harden. So for
the record, I'm as big of a Magic Johnson fan
as anybody. Magic Johnson palm the ball his entire career.
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Ref's just kind of stepped back. You can go look
at the YouTube Magic Johnson highlights and you're like, I
don't know, it feels like he's getting an extra step.
That's you know, his game is his game. I'm going
to defend him to the end. I think I think
he's a credit to the sport. It's just not overly dynamic,
not There's been a lot of guys in this league
that have scored a lot of points that aren't necessarily
fun to watch. Kiki Vandaway is not something anybody emulated.
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Alex English tons of points.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
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Speaker 1 (29:25):
So the Raiders are now telling teams we're not trading
Max Crosby.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
We know we did.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
We got him back, We're not going to trade him.
And I got no problem with it at all. Really
it does. But I'll tell you when Fernando Mendoza with
now Max Crosby joins this team in late April.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
This is why it's the League of Hope.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
The Raiders in terms of point differential since two thousand
and three, that's almost twenty five years, the Raiders by
a long shot have the worst point differential in the League,
Cleveland second, Jets third. It's a bad franchise for two decades.
I think they're going to turn it around. I think
there's a chance the Raiders are really interesting next year.
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And you can't do that in baseball or the NBA.
The Houston Astros had to lose one hundred games three
years in a row to build up a great team,
even with Wimby going to the Spurs, the best prospects
since probably Lebron, back to back losing seasons Cooper flag.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Mavericks, they're worse than last year. He's an unbelievable player.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It took the Rockets, I mean, post Kobe, it took
the Lakers what six years to make the playoffs. It
took the Rockets post Hardened five years to make the playoffs.
It does not work that way in the NFL. Pathetic
the playoffs very quickly, so there's a lot of instant gratification.
I think the fans are the winners, and it's all
about if you can get the right quarterback Caleb Williams,
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bow Knicks, Fernando Mendoza, and you can put him often
with a really good offensive coach.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I mean, when the NBA.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Was less restrictive to owners and gms.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
You could do this.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Lebron went back from Miami to Cleveland. They traded for
Kevin Love and they dominated the East for like half
a decade. The NBA used to allow you to go
from pathetic to playoffs. Adam Silver is terrified of dynasty,
so they've shut all that down, and I think it's
a problem. I think one of the great gifts of
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the NFL is like outside of the Jets, where you
just don't think the head coach is capable like that
take them off. Even in Cleveland right now, I don't
agree with this, but even in Cleveland, they're thinking we
got a shot. Joe Burrow can't make the playoffs. So
you know, in the NFL, players players have limited power.
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Trades are easy. College football is a great farm system.
We had Johnny manziel on yesterday and he sees in
Fernando Mendoza what the Raiders see in Fernando Mendoza.
Speaker 15 (32:05):
I think he's going to continue to get better. I
think he throws, as I was watching him at the
National Championship Game, throws a really good ball, has a
lot of zip on his passes, reads coverage very well.
He obviously had some good help at the receiver point
and the team that they had last year in Indiana.
The situation he's going into is going to call for
a lot of patients. Rock Bauers, you know, gent rebuild
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some of the offensive line, get a defense, you keep
Max Crosby, like, have some patients with it.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
And I feel like this kid is going to be
very good.
Speaker 15 (32:35):
He more than impressed me being around him at the Heisman.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
And they're still in touch.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
So Kyler murray for the record, I'm going to let
you listen to him in a second.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Here.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
He looks good in purple. It has been suggested to
me that purple is a fast color. He looks good
in purple. I've got to be honest. He grew up
a I mean, he grew up a Vikings fan. So well,
I think this is gonna work. I think it's gonna be.
I think it's gonna be like Darnald to Seattle, where
you're like, good team. Oh, this is the juice we
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needed at quarterback. So what's funny is what Darnald did,
what Baker did, and what Kyler's gonna do. You used
to not get second chances. Tim Couch was a number
one pick of the Cleveland Browns. It didn't work. He
never played for another team. Akielee Smith with a number
three pick, he failed. He never got another chance for
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another team. It doesn't work that way. Mac Jones, Daniel Jones,
Donald Baker, Kyler Murray, Jared Goff. Why well, what do
all those reclamation guys, including Kyler Murray to Minnesota. What
do they have in common? Kyle Shanahan, Clint Kobiac, Liam Cohen,
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what do they have in common? Ben Johnson for Jared Goff?
There are so many more smart, young offensive coaches. We
owe say we have an we have a quarterback problem
in the NFL. Now we had a coaching problem. You
had general managers in the seventies, eighties, nineties, and early
two thousands that were risk averse, that didn't want to
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make trades and help quarterbacks were struggling, and frankly, a
lot of coaches in the seventies, eighties, nineties and early
two thousands coached not to lose. It was more conservative coaching,
very risk adverse gms. Now, if a quarterback struggled somewhere,
you bring Sam Normal to Minnesota, You give him an
offensive coach, You can make easily make trades in this league.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
So Kinder Murray.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Was impressive yesterday at the press conference in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
I'm telling you this is going to work. Here was Kyler.
Speaker 16 (34:47):
Never in a million years I think that this was
a you know, going to come around full circle. Not
even a thought of my head, you know, But the
opportunity presented itself. You know again, just watching from Afar
with Kosi's been able to do a quarterbacks offense. The
guys in place here be flowing the defense. I think
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that it's a great fit. And like I said, I'm thankful,
thankful the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I can't wait to get to work.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Okay, three quarterback acquisitions and they all have one thing
in common that I love this offseason. Fernando mendoz A
to the Raiders, Kyler Murray to the Vikings, and Malik
Willis to the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
What do they have in common? They're cheap.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Fernando mendoz a rookie contract, Malik Willis twenty two large
a year, and Kyler Murray's contract will be fifty fourth
highest paid quarterback in the league.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
He's free. So who ended up in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Darnold team friendly contract was going to be Bo Nicks
instead of Strake May rookie contracts most improved team Chicago
Bears quarterback rookie contract. So I think Malik Willis is
gonna mostly work in Miami, although they've still got that
dead cap to a contract hanging over their heads. I
think Kyler's gonna work here, and I think for Nando
Mendoz is gonna work in Vegas. Just crazy to think
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Vegas could have a good football team, but I absolutely
believe it. Top of the hour, I'm gonna do my
post coaching post free agency top ten. I'll just tell
you right now, free agency is not just about what
you gain, it's what you lose. I don't have Baltimore
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in my top ten, and I think they're an incredibly
well run franchise. I think the Tyler Lindamoum loss at
center for the Ravens and specifically for Lamar Jackson is
not good. They lost their tight end to the Giants,
they lost their second best running back to the Chargers.
Of all these teams adding pieces in I said yesterday,
I like what the Rams have added, the Bears have added,
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There's some real Cowboys have added in the last six months.
There's some really nice pieces picked up New England, Buffalo
getting Bradley Chubb and Dj Moore. I like both thoseps.
Baltimore loses the second best center, a valuable speedback, kind
of a change up to Derrick Henry. They lose the
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tight end again. They don't have a dominant number one.
Za Flowers is a solid one, a great two or
a low end one. Baltimore is well run. Do not
like what has happened between losing Harbaugh, the tight end,
the running back, the center. Don't love what's happened to
the Ravens over the last several months. John middle Koff,
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who worked in this league with Andy Reid for a
long time, where are you on? Kansas City? A team
you usually defend, But like the Ravens, I think they
were forced to get Walker running back. I don't know
if they loved it. I think they were forced to
get Kenneth Walker.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
I do think they're going to lean in more to
the running game this year.
Speaker 10 (37:50):
Right, they have a pretty good chance at pick nine
to take an offensive lineman. They would have two young
stud offensive linemen then last year Simmons. Now, if they
get a right tackle at nine, they got a good
interier offensive line. What if the way to extend mahomes
career because last year, the last couple of years, they
got very Mahomes dependent. Well, now he tours ACL, you
take the pressure off him, lean into Kenneth Walker, Maybe
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draft another running back somewhere in the mid rounds.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
And you know, one thing Andy's done very.
Speaker 10 (38:16):
Well over the course of his career is pivot change
his offense two things. One thing he's ever really done
is just hammer the run game. He involves the running
back a lot in the passing game, and Kenneth Walker
can do that. I do wonder if they try to
become like a top six or seven rushing attempt.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
Team in the league.
Speaker 10 (38:33):
Listen, they got a lot of moving parts on defense,
lost a bunch of dbs. That's why you pay five
six million dollars respects. So they have an excellent coaching staff.
They're going to be motivated.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
We'll see.
Speaker 10 (38:42):
You know how much Kelsey has has left. That to
me is a pretty big They're paying twelve million dollars.
Last year he was not good, you know, for his
Hall of Fame standards. But yeah, I mean I think
that division. I mean I think the Chargers have a
chance to be, I mean, a powerhouse next year. To me,
they would be as we sit here right now as
the pick to win that division and potentially be the
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number one seed in the AFC.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
No, I feel the same way. So it's you know,
we talk about this all the time, that windows closed
very quickly. That Seahawk window felt like it was going
to be seven years and it was. They lost that
second Super Bowl and it was never the same. And you,
like you look at the Seahawks. I mean, this is
one of the great things about the NFL. One you
can go from bad to good really quickly. But you
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when you think you're really good and are going to great,
go ask the Eagles, Go ask the Chiefs. Stuff closes
really fast when you've got to sign that quarterback to
a big deal. All of a sudden, you get a
right tackle that retires. You know, even Mahomes has been
blown out twice in Super Bowls when they can't get
pass protection. So you can build quickly, you fall quickly
in this league.
Speaker 10 (39:46):
That's why I think John Schneider, Kenneth Walker, Kobe Bryant,
you know, I think he learned his lesson a decade ago.
And you got to be very careful with how you
allocate your funds, and I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
It's tough.
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Wherever you may be, and however you may be listening
or watching Phuzy Week Free Agency, World Baseball Classic, NBA
March Madness Selection Sunday is coming up. John Middlecoff sitting
in for Jason McIntyre today from the Volume.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
So John'm going to.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Start today with a Kyler Murray topic. Because you live
in Arizona, you've seen a lot of Kyler Murray. I
used to live in LA watched a lot of NFC West.
So Kyler Murray has signed a one year deal with
the great Kevin O'Connell, great coach, great offensive coach. This
is where Sam Darnold's career was reborn. They signed him
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for a year, And what does that mean for JJ McCarthy.
I think we all know JJ McCarthy, and I'm not
saying it's easy to figure out first round, second round quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I know it's hard.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
But JJ McCarthy is a cautionary tale for every general
manager in the NFL. Beware of two things, the game
manager at the college level, and beware of when the
number one trait for a college quarterback is he's a winner.
That's what they said about t Bow. That doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
These game managing college quarterbacks usually come from Alabama or
Ohio State, Georgia, these football factories where they can turn
and hand it off, throw twenty three times a game.
Jjm McCarthy. He came from the best Michigan team probably ever.
Thirteen guys were drafted, stacked roster, and he only threw
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for twenty two touchdowns. Joe Burrell played on a stacked
roster at LSU.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
He threw for sixty.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
If you're going to play in a roster like that,
you don't have to carry the team. But I better
see like forty five touchdowns. Fifty five touchdowns every quarterback
in JJ McCarthy's class. Everyone Bo Nicks, Jaden Daniels, Michael Pennix,
Drake May, Caleb Williams, every other first round quarterback, every
other one USC, Oregon, North Carolina, LSU, some good programs.
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They had to throw for over three hundred yards a game.
JJ McCarthy two for under two hundred yards a game.
That's the first warning side and the second. And I
know Pat in the backtime. I said he is the
one quarterback coming in this first round draft class. I
don't think it's going to work. The other thing was,
first of all, he didn't have any rate wow traits.
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Caleb Williams, wow horsepower, Bo Nicks, toughness, durability, athletic ability,
Jaden Daniels kind of a Lamar Jackson type player. Drake May,
big size, big arm, Pennix, good arm. JJ McCarthy's a winner.
A winner is how you should describe a poker player
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or a lawyer. If you tell me a lawyer, the
guy's a winner. It's kind of all I need to know.
Poker player, guy's a winner. Sit down at the table.
That's Phil helm youth. That's all I need to know.
We don't talk about any other athlete and say he's
a winner. We don't draft cornerbacks left tackles, guards, running
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backs and say, well, you know, production was so so,
but he is a winner. Doesn't mean anything. Same with
college basketball players. Nobody's drafting Darren Peterson number one because
he's a winner. They're looking at his talent and his traits.
So I just I don't buy the he's a winner thing.
Now you could say Fernando Mendoza Colin, Yeah, he won
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because he's a killer, because he's great late, because he
beat Miami almost single handedly in the fourth quarter. He
did the same with Penn State on the road. That's different.
He was asked to carry a good roster. That JJ
McCarthy Michigan roster wasn't a good roster. It's the best
Michigan roster ever, thirteen guys drafted. That's an Ohio State, Bama, Georgia,
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LSU level roster. And did he carry it? Yeah, at
times he did. He did against Miami late, he did
against Oregon fourth quarter. So there's a difference. And you know,
you can say what you want about Conder Murray again,
he and Sam Darnold have been the two quarterbacks that
I always liked more than the market because they have
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wow traits. His elusiveness, a plus. Wow, his deep ball
excellent and for the record, since he was drafted Kyler
Murray among active quarterbacks top ten and two down passes.
So he's actually productive with experience and elusive and a
great deep ball. He's going to win this job. But
it's a cautionary tale. Be very careful about. He's a
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winner or game manager at college. It just doesn't translate
to Sunday football. Okay, So Luca had fifty one last
night and the Lakers beat the Bulls, but that wasn't
the story. And this is a real story, and it's
actually asking a lot of Lebron James. So we talked
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a lot before the season. I said, this is going
to be the strangest year in Lebron james life. Every offense,
even last year with heavy Luca and Luca off an injury,
Lebron needed the ball in his hands for the offense
to be effective.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I said, this year is going to be different.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
The difference between in shape, skinny Luca still in his
prime in Lebron. The GAP's going to be huge and
Lebron's going to have to learn for the first time
in his career to play off the ball all the time.
Now he's having a bad shooting year off the ball
because is Let's be honest, his jump shot has always
been streaking and inconsistent. But what really happened this year
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that makes it even tougher for Lebron is that Austin
Reeves has popped and now Lebron should probably have the
ball as a third offensive option on the Lakers. So
to ask a guy that was face of the NBA
for twenty years, hey, we not only need you to
be off the ball with Luca, but Austin Reeves as well,
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it is a big ask. I don't think Michael Jordan
would have done that. I don't think most all time
players are gonna do that. And the fact that Lebron's
always been about winning and he has and I've defended
him early when he used to not take the big
shot like MJ or Kobe, and I'd say he's a
winning player. He makes the right basketball play. So this
is a big ask and Lebron's entire career, it was
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the opposite. He had to ask Dwayne Wade, you're the two.
He had to go to Chris Bosch, Hey, get out
of the paint, go in the corner. He had to
tell Kyrie Irving Bro I'm gonna carry the ball. You
have to play off ball. So everybody has sacrificed for
Lebron and should have his entire career, even Luke a
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little bit last year. But this Lebron's different. His usage
rate lowest of his career by a wide margin. Is
you know, field goals taken per game lowest of his career,
wide margin. So this is what we talked about all preseason.
This is gonna be a weird year for Lebron. Face
the league to not only the second option, but net
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rating tells you the third option. He's gonna have to
set screens. He's gonna have to rebound a little more,
He's gonna have to do the dirty work. And you
know this year, when Lebron shoots more than twenty times,
Lakers are zero and three. When he shoots under twenty times,
they're twenty seven to fifteen. The numbers don't lie. But
I do think it's a big ask. I don't think
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MJ would have done it. I don't think a lot
of stars that can still play at Lebron's level individually
would do it. But Lebron's always been a winning player.
I just think he deserves credit for committing to this
kind of basketball when he could score twenty four a
night for half the teams in the league or more.
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And here was JJ Reddick after the win.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Lebron and I we talked. We had a great conversation
over the last couple of days. I think again, he
wants to do everything possible to help this team win,
and he understands the importance of making sure Luca and
Ar can be at their best. And you know that's
that's incredible of him. The team is most important. You know,
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everybody successful when we win. So yeah, it is a sacrifice.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I know what I'm capable of still doing as an individual,
but most important for this team, I'm able to to
adapt to it.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
What's important for this team, and that's the only thing
that matters in the win. Is only that matters.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It was interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I was reading an article yesterday and they were talking
about Lebron. I've never seen this before with any Lebron article.
JJ Reddick was talking about, I'm gonna need him to
set some screens. I've never seen screens in Lebron in
the same sentence before. Not that he's not capable of
doing it, but I'm defending Lebron here.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
This is a big ask.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
At some point on a show, I'm gonna be the
third voice, and I don't know if I'll be as
good as Lebron.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I don't know if I'll pass it. But Lebron deserves credit.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Lakers playing well, and Austin Reeves has blossomed by the
way with Luca, and I think everybody sees it, and
fortunately right now Lebron sees it. Okay, there's a couple
of things. First of all, the Kyner Murray situation. What's
happening in the NFL is and boy, you're seeing it.
I said this yesterday. I think Kyler Murray is going
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to be our Sam Darnold. Don't think he's going to
be that good. I don't think he's going to go
to a super Bowl. I don't think he's going to
win fourteen games with Minnesota. But I think he's going
to be really successful. But the other thing is, over
the last several years, I have taken two teams every year,
and I'm on a four year heater eight for eight.
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I want to go ten for ten. So last year
I took Seattle in New England. Seattle was my already
pretty good, gonna be much better than everybody thinks. Team
got to a Super Bowl. And then I always picked
my double year win total at minimum team that was
New England, So last year was pretty good. I have
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officially picked my two NFL teams on a four year streak.
I have picked him as of this morning, and I'll
give you that.
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Speaker 1 (12:00):
So Minnesota won nine games last year, and they were offensively,
they were kind of a mess. They had the fourth
fewest touchdown passes in the sport. So they're over under
going into this year. According to DraftKings is eight and
a half. So they won nine games last year and
they led the NFL and giveaways. They were one of
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the worst third down offenses in a bottom five total offense.
And so it's official. The New York Giants. I take
two teams every year. The New York Giants are my
double year win total team hiring John Harbaugh.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Last year.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
My double your win total team was New England with
Vrabel and all that money in free agency, and we
got pretty fortunate they made the Super Bowl. I didn't
think they would make the super Bowl, but I thought
they would be an automatic double yr win total team
last year and then every year I pick a team
that I think is already pretty good, but it's going
to go into next year and be much better than
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everybody thinks.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I'm going to do that with Minnesota. So they're over
unders eight and a half.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I think they have a chance to be an eleven
win team and you think it's crazy. But their defense
last year with Brian Flores, I think it's exceptional. I
think their offensive line was banged up, it's very good.
So this goes back to Kyler Murray. Like Sam Darnold,
bad organization. You keep asking who's the next Sam. I
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think it's Kyler. With Kevin O'Connell, great weapons, legit, left tackle, tight.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Ends, a star.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
There's no reason why a guy with a better owner
and a better coach and a better old line and
supporting cast can't take a team that won nine last
year and was a mess offensively in an offensive league.
Here's Albert Breer this week on Kyle fitting in with
the Vikings, and.
Speaker 8 (13:56):
I think if you're Kyle and Murray, you look at
that situation, the opportunity to work with Kevin O'Connell, an
offensive line that they've invested in, Jordan Jefferson, justin Jefferson,
Jordan Addison, TJ.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Hawkinson.
Speaker 9 (14:08):
I mean, you start to add up the pieces that
you've got in Minnesota, and even though they didn't play
very well last year, a lot of those same elements
that put Sam Darnold in position to resurrect his career
would still be there for Kyler Murray.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So there we go, Giants, double your win total. Vikings
my Seahawks of next year, and John Middlecoff former NFL scout,
Volume three and out podcasts with the news.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
No, no, no, this is the Herdline News.
Speaker 10 (14:38):
Well, Colin, let's start with the World Baseball Classic, and
it got a little dicey for us, but we've advanced
and tonight on Fox at eight pm Eastern, we take
on Canada.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (14:50):
Well, the last time Colin team USA took on Canada,
it went pretty well for US. And one of those
Olympic stars called in a and gave a little pep
talk for the baseball team.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Here's Mark de Rosa.
Speaker 11 (15:04):
Jack Hughes sent the boys a nice little fire up,
little message that I put out on their group chat.
And I know there's talks of some hockey jerseys being
sent in tomorrow for the guys to wear during VP.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, this thing's actually been a big hit, and I
think what it feels like. You know, when you get
buy in from pro athletes on international competitions, it's just
an easy sell. You wrap great stars in these infrequent
events and you wrap the flag around it. And this
has gotten incredible relevance and numbers more than it's ever
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you know, Fox put it front and center and it
started back in two thousand and six. It was good,
but in a crowded network at ESBN, it kind of
got buried. Nobody's fault. They just have you know, they
just had a lot of games. So this thing has
been undervalued for years. We said it when it started.
This is one of the smarter pickups by Fox, and
it has been a home run event.
Speaker 10 (16:04):
It does feel like our two biggest American stars, Harper
and Judge.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Are all in.
Speaker 10 (16:09):
They feel like the hockey guys like Jack Hughes. This
is not gonna be easy. We're the betting favorites right now.
But if we take care of Canada I think we will,
then we probably got the Dominican and then potentially the Japanese.
I mean, this is we're gonna have to earn this
and the thing in these World Baseball Classic, Colin, none
of these pitchers are going seven or eight years, so
you got to mix and match that.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
You need the guys to hit.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, no question. I have to hate your way to
this championship.
Speaker 10 (16:32):
Okay, I know this is a favorite topic of yours,
the USC Trojans.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Yes, Makai Lemon, he had a Pro Day.
Speaker 10 (16:39):
And your guy less need flies under the radar in
the offseason, doesn't attend the Combine, doesn't usually attend Pro days,
but this being in his backyard, he attended, and he
said this about Lemon. He is a guy who makes
watching football fun. The Rams, while they traded one of
their first round picks, Remember they got the thirteenth overall pick. Yeah,
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Pooka Nakua's contract is lingering Lemon the Rams.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Could you see that happening?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Count Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Okay, So you know, Ohio State's been a football factory
and Marvin Harrison's son got all the publicity. But JSN
in a Mecca Abuka route runners have become better NFL receivers.
So Mackay Lemon reminds me of that Jacoby Lane played
for USC this year. A couple of years ago, Deuce
Robinson did it tight end. They are massive athletes, huge hands.
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Mackay Lemon is just more productive. And I'm not saying
he's not. He's not the prospect of JSN or a Mecca,
a Buca, but he.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
In that line.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
It's route running, it's quicker than you think. It's great
if you throw the ball in the air and he
gets his hand on it. He's got strong hands, highly productive.
We have a little bit of a trend in the
NFL now because so many people play zone. As you know,
is Puka Nakua a burner? No, But in his zone
he's usually very good catching the ball, strong hands, good
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after contact. That is what Lemon is. He is a
modern receiver. He is a quarterback's friend. You don't have
to worry about ego, you don't have to worry about
running the wrong route. He's not going to beat many
people down the field. But he's as good a USC
wide receiver they've had, probably since Keishawn Johnson.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Honestly, I agree.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
He's a really good player.
Speaker 10 (18:26):
My question is for the Rams, how often are I mean,
they never have first round picks, let alone draft this high.
The opportunity to potentially get alignment. Last time they drafted
relatively high, they took Jared Verse.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
That worked out pretty well. Yeah, but I do.
Speaker 10 (18:39):
Say this, if they take Lemon with the thirteenth overall pick,
does that signal you know, Puka Nakua?
Speaker 6 (18:45):
What are we talk?
Speaker 10 (18:46):
One hundred and forty hundred and fifty million dollars guaranteed?
Could that be big picture? Maybe Puka's not long for
the team, which sounds crazy because he's such a great player, but.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
He gets dinged up.
Speaker 10 (18:56):
Yeah, in his style, not like Jefferson, not like some
of these players. He is a very physical player, right yep.
So can that sustain over a ten year career? Historically
it can be very hit or miss. Another one of
your of your favorite teams, Collin the Chicago Bears. Yeah,
they were obviously a smashing success under Ben Johnson. And
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they just signed a receiver Khalif Rayman, who comes from
the Lions and knows Ben Johnson. Well, here's what he
had to say about his former offensive coordinator, a new
head coach.
Speaker 12 (19:28):
And I'll never forget the first day he had everybody
saying and everyone, you know, it's good, better best, you
know you know, you're not used to doing like chance
to like that, and then we started winning, and then
he started doing it here and everybody's winning, so I'm like, well,
we better be good, better best then. So no, it's uh,
it's it's a testament to who he is.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Man.
Speaker 12 (19:45):
He's not taking sharoff because he wants to looks mat.
He's taking a shotoff, probably because he probably slept three
hours that week and they to go put all the
work in to go win the game. So it's a
testament to who he is. And I'm proud of him.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
For the record, I do like the Lions' new offensive coordinator,
Drew Practsy, who they got from Arizona. But I will
say this at the top of the hour, because all
the coaching hires are done and all the relevant free
agent signings are done, I'm going to give you my
top ten teams.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
The draft may tweak the order. I mean, Raiders are
obviously better with Fernando Mendoza than without, but they're not
a top ten team. The draft won't change my order
much unless somebody really knocks it out of the park
and I adapt most of the teams at the top
the Cleveland's the Jets. They're not going to make the
top ten, but I'll have my top ten post free agency,
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and I will say the Bears feel like to me,
they may not have the rams roster, but they are
missing one thing, a rush end. Outside of that, a
corner maybe in the draft, a rush end. I think
Chicago looks really good.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Well, I'm all in like you on Ben Johnson.
Speaker 10 (20:54):
If you tell me that Caleb Williams just has a
slight improvement with accuracy comes a more consistent player. I
think this team could be the number one seed.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Collin.
Speaker 10 (21:04):
Obviously, they got a huge home field advantage. Here's the
other thing. Now, they got the Bills pick for Dj Moore. Yeah,
they could take one of those seconds and move up
into the first round and get aggressive. And listen, we
think Max Crosby's coming back, but we know these things
are fluid. Ryan Poles has already said, we were sniffing around,
we were having dialogue. I would never count them out.
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I would say they are still going to monitor that situation.
Now you feel leading up to the draft with the
Max Crosby.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Oh yeah, absolutely, And again they have a first and
two two's, so they're gonna solve their corner issue late
first round. They probably get a corner. There's two or
three really good corners. Late Bears probably get one of them.
There they solve their corner issue. My guess is they
go rush end next. They don't have an offensive need
now they got Brad Barry from the Patriots at center.
They really don't need to draft anybody offensively. It's one
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of the more complete offenses along with the Rams in
the sport Eagles. They have to lean defense this point forward,
and I think their first three picks will probably all
be defensive picks.
Speaker 10 (22:06):
It's amazing when you nail the coach. How bright the
future is Colin in the NFL. I mean, this isn't
a complicated strategy.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
If not.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
John Middlcoff with the News, well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
The herd line.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So last night, okay, see the defending champs Beach Boston
and SGA eclipses Wilt Chamberlain for the NBA's longest twenty
point streak. So there, listen there. Everybody loves beating up
on SGA. There are a lot of different ways to score.
I've used this stat forever. The leading score in the
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NBA in the eighties was not Michael Jordan. It was
Alex English, who reminds me, honestly, a little of SGA
couldn't jump over a folded newspaper. I don't remember any dunks,
not highly vertical. There's a lot of Kiki Vanduway scored
a lot of points. He wasn't jumping over people. So
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SGA is smooth, fluid, efficient, crazy, consistent. Now everybody calls
him a free throw merchant. He had no free throws
in the fourth quarter last night. He had eight total
in the game, and Jalen Brown had fourteen. So eleven
people in the NBA had more free throws last night
than SGA, including Josh minnot.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Whoever. That is okay.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So he's averaging thirty two and gets eight made free
throws on the thirty two points. That's not outrageous to me.
And there's been players like this in the NBA. Karl
Malone drew a lot of fowls. Michael Jordan, James Harden
drew a lot of fowls. I think when I look
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at SGA, you know who I think of, Tim Duncan
and Tom Brady, Like bizarre efficiency crazy, consistency, no drama
to their personality. They win a lot more than their peers.
Duncan Brady SGA. It's not highly dynamic, it's not dramatic.
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I mean, Luca and Ant are far more fun to watch,
but they'll have three for twelve nights from three point Land.
They're more inconsistent shooting the ball. SGAs. He's the train
that's always on time. So again, Sean Camp, Dominique Wilkins,
Charles Barkley. Way more fun to watch those three guys combined,
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no titles, and I mean this whole thing about he's
a free throw merchant. The league is not privately rigging
it so that their smallest market kind of bland superstar
runs the league. He is a really smart player who
manipulates defenders and gets to the line. Last though, fourth quarter,
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didn't shoot a free throw and they still won. He
leads the NBA in clutch scoring, you know, but but
he is driving people. And I've said this about the
NBA for years among players, players love Russell Westbrook. A
lot of players Roll was cool on Steph Curry because
Russell Westbrook had the hops and the vertical and he
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was forceful, and he was just in like he's a
basketball player. Russell Westbrook and his prime that other basketball
players like, oh dude, you go watch this guy. This
guy's got crazy hops. And then the NBA that matters,
like style matters, SGA is way more. Carl Malone and
guys like that get criticized because it's not as much
fun to watch. Sean Kemp beloved, was he a winning player?
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Clyde Drexler beloved.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
They don't want to.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Really practice or play defense. So I'm I mean, listen,
in the fourth quarter, SGA shot nearly ninety percent, didn't
never free throw, and they beat an excellent team. I'm
on team SGA. Here's Jalen Brown apparently still taking shots
on SG and all the free throw attempts.
Speaker 13 (26:08):
I don't foul be I'm not looking to, you know,
flop or anything like that, but it's almost like you
got to. It's almost like there's a couple of plays
in the fourth quarter what I feel like, I drove strong,
went up strong, and I didn't get the benefit of
the doubt. But maybe if I were to flop, maybe
I would able to sell that call. In those deside games,
we commend players for, you know, playing the game.
Speaker 14 (26:31):
The right way. But you know, we we give the
benefit to those who you know, who necessarily are trying
to manipulate the game into their advantage.
Speaker 13 (26:42):
I just don't think it's basketball.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Well it is basketball, and I would argue most great players,
what do you what do you consider manipulation? So, I
mean Charles Barkley was great at using his big bot
to get angles and position. Dennis Rodman's an all time
great manipulator of body leverage, shoulders. But I mean Rodman
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was one of the smartest manipulators of body and angles.
He used to live. There's stories about Rodman used to
sit and watch the Bulls practice even if he wasn't
practicing that day, to just watch where the missshots came
off the rim from Jordan and Pippin. And that is manipulation.
There are guys coaches do this. They manipulate college basketball
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coaches manipulate officials. They bark, dy bark, they bark, and
they get that late game call. So I think bask
a lot of basketball's manipulation. It's trying to get a
defense that you can manipulate to one side of the floor,
swinging around, skip it around and get better looking jumpers.
So I mean, I SGA's game isn't the most dynamic.
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It's a Duncan Brady feel to it, Like it's just
crazy efficient, crazy consistency. Here's SGA on passing Wilt record.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
We've won to a streak, most most and most importantly,
and then I just had so much fun playing basketball
in the last year and a half, probably because I've
done a lot of winning. But just like the group
of guys, they always make losing lighthearted and winning super fun.
And you stay in the right mind frame when you
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stay together and when you're connected as a unit and
just have fun throughout the whole process, you get the
best out of things. And then that's what this group is.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, he's not the first player to get pushed back
on his style. James Harden did for years. In fact,
the NBA stepped in. NBA has not stepped in here.
They don't feel it's the manipulation or the skirting of
rules like they did with James James Harden. So for
the record, I'm as big of a Magic Johnson fan
as anybody. Magic Johnson palm the ball his entire career.
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Ref's just kind of stepped back. You can go look
at the YouTube Magic Johnson highlights and you're like, I
don't know, it feels like he's getting an extra step.
That's you know, his game is his game. I'm going
to defend him to the end. I think I think
he's a credit to the sport. It's just not overly dynamic,
not There's been a lot of guys in this league
that have scored a lot of points that aren't necessarily
fun to watch. Kiki Vandaway is not something anybody emulated.
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Alex English tons of points.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
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and noone Easter, not a Empacific.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
So the Raiders are now telling teams we're not trading
Max Crosby.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
We know we did.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
We got him back, We're not going to trade him.
And I got no problem with it at all. Really
it does. But I'll tell you when Fernando Mendoza with
now Max Crosby joins this team in late April.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
This is why it's the League of Hope.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
The Raiders in terms of point differential since two thousand
and three, that's almost twenty five years, the Raiders by
a long shot have the worst point differential in the League,
Cleveland second, Jets third. It's a bad franchise for two decades.
I think they're going to turn it around. I think
there's a chance the Raiders are really interesting next year.
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And you can't do that in baseball or the NBA.
The Houston Astros had to lose one hundred games three
years in a row to build up a great team,
even with Wimby going to the Spurs, the best prospects
since probably Lebron, back to back losing seasons Cooper flag.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Mavericks, they're worse than last year. He's an unbelievable player.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It took the Rockets, I mean, post Kobe, it took
the Lakers what six years to make the playoffs. It
took the Rockets post Hardened five years to make the playoffs.
It does not work that way in the NFL. Pathetic
the playoffs very quickly, so there's a lot of instant gratification.
I think the fans are the winners, and it's all
about if you can get the right quarterback Caleb Williams,
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bow Knicks, Fernando Mendoza, and you can put him often
with a really good offensive coach.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I mean, when the NBA.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Was less restrictive to owners and gms.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
You could do this.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Lebron went back from Miami to Cleveland. They traded for
Kevin Love and they dominated the East for like half
a decade. The NBA used to allow you to go
from pathetic to playoffs. Adam Silver is terrified of dynasty,
so they've shut all that down, and I think it's
a problem. I think one of the great gifts of
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the NFL is like outside of the Jets, where you
just don't think the head coach is capable like that
take them off. Even in Cleveland right now, I don't
agree with this, but even in Cleveland, they're thinking we
got a shot. Joe Burrow can't make the playoffs. So
you know, in the NFL, players players have limited power.
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Trades are easy. College football is a great farm system.
We had Johnny manziel on yesterday and he sees in
Fernando Mendoza what the Raiders see in Fernando Mendoza.
Speaker 15 (32:05):
I think he's going to continue to get better. I
think he throws, as I was watching him at the
National Championship Game, throws a really good ball, has a
lot of zip on his passes, reads coverage very well.
He obviously had some good help at the receiver point
and the team that they had last year in Indiana.
The situation he's going into is going to call for
a lot of patients. Rock Bauers, you know, gent rebuild
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some of the offensive line, get a defense, you keep
Max Crosby, like, have some patients with it.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
And I feel like this kid is going to be
very good.
Speaker 15 (32:35):
He more than impressed me being around him at the Heisman.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
And they're still in touch.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
So Kyler murray for the record, I'm going to let
you listen to him in a second.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Here.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
He looks good in purple. It has been suggested to
me that purple is a fast color. He looks good
in purple. I've got to be honest. He grew up
a I mean, he grew up a Vikings fan. So well,
I think this is gonna work. I think it's gonna be.
I think it's gonna be like Darnald to Seattle, where
you're like, good team. Oh, this is the juice we
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needed at quarterback. So what's funny is what Darnald did,
what Baker did, and what Kyler's gonna do. You used
to not get second chances. Tim Couch was a number
one pick of the Cleveland Browns. It didn't work. He
never played for another team. Akielee Smith with a number
three pick, he failed. He never got another chance for
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another team. It doesn't work that way. Mac Jones, Daniel Jones,
Donald Baker, Kyler Murray, Jared Goff. Why well, what do
all those reclamation guys, including Kyler Murray to Minnesota. What
do they have in common? Kyle Shanahan, Clint Kobiac, Liam Cohen,
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what do they have in common? Ben Johnson for Jared Goff?
There are so many more smart, young offensive coaches. We
owe say we have an we have a quarterback problem
in the NFL. Now we had a coaching problem. You
had general managers in the seventies, eighties, nineties, and early
two thousands that were risk averse, that didn't want to
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make trades and help quarterbacks were struggling, and frankly, a
lot of coaches in the seventies, eighties, nineties and early
two thousands coached not to lose. It was more conservative coaching,
very risk adverse gms. Now, if a quarterback struggled somewhere,
you bring Sam Normal to Minnesota, You give him an
offensive coach, You can make easily make trades in this league.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
So Kinder Murray.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Was impressive yesterday at the press conference in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
I'm telling you this is going to work. Here was Kyler.
Speaker 16 (34:47):
Never in a million years I think that this was
a you know, going to come around full circle. Not
even a thought of my head, you know, But the
opportunity presented itself. You know again, just watching from Afar
with Kosi's been able to do a quarterbacks offense. The
guys in place here be flowing the defense. I think
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that it's a great fit. And like I said, I'm thankful,
thankful the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I can't wait to get to work.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Okay, three quarterback acquisitions and they all have one thing
in common that I love this offseason. Fernando mendoz A
to the Raiders, Kyler Murray to the Vikings, and Malik
Willis to the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
What do they have in common? They're cheap.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Fernando mendoz a rookie contract, Malik Willis twenty two large
a year, and Kyler Murray's contract will be fifty fourth
highest paid quarterback in the league.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
He's free. So who ended up in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Darnold team friendly contract was going to be Bo Nicks
instead of Strake May rookie contracts most improved team Chicago
Bears quarterback rookie contract. So I think Malik Willis is
gonna mostly work in Miami, although they've still got that
dead cap to a contract hanging over their heads. I
think Kyler's gonna work here, and I think for Nando
Mendoz is gonna work in Vegas. Just crazy to think
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Vegas could have a good football team, but I absolutely
believe it. Top of the hour, I'm gonna do my
post coaching post free agency top ten. I'll just tell
you right now, free agency is not just about what
you gain, it's what you lose. I don't have Baltimore
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in my top ten, and I think they're an incredibly
well run franchise. I think the Tyler Lindamoum loss at
center for the Ravens and specifically for Lamar Jackson is
not good. They lost their tight end to the Giants,
they lost their second best running back to the Chargers.
Of all these teams adding pieces in I said yesterday,
I like what the Rams have added, the Bears have added,
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There's some real Cowboys have added in the last six months.
There's some really nice pieces picked up New England, Buffalo
getting Bradley Chubb and Dj Moore. I like both thoseps.
Baltimore loses the second best center, a valuable speedback, kind
of a change up to Derrick Henry. They lose the
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tight end again. They don't have a dominant number one.
Za Flowers is a solid one, a great two or
a low end one. Baltimore is well run. Do not
like what has happened between losing Harbaugh, the tight end,
the running back, the center. Don't love what's happened to
the Ravens over the last several months. John middle Koff,
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who worked in this league with Andy Reid for a
long time, where are you on? Kansas City? A team
you usually defend, But like the Ravens, I think they
were forced to get Walker running back. I don't know
if they loved it. I think they were forced to
get Kenneth Walker.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
I do think they're going to lean in more to
the running game this year.
Speaker 10 (37:50):
Right, they have a pretty good chance at pick nine
to take an offensive lineman. They would have two young
stud offensive linemen then last year Simmons. Now, if they
get a right tackle at nine, they got a good
interier offensive line. What if the way to extend mahomes
career because last year, the last couple of years, they
got very Mahomes dependent. Well, now he tours ACL, you
take the pressure off him, lean into Kenneth Walker, Maybe
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draft another running back somewhere in the mid rounds.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
And you know, one thing Andy's done very.
Speaker 10 (38:16):
Well over the course of his career is pivot change
his offense two things. One thing he's ever really done
is just hammer the run game. He involves the running
back a lot in the passing game, and Kenneth Walker
can do that. I do wonder if they try to
become like a top six or seven rushing attempt.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
Team in the league.
Speaker 10 (38:33):
Listen, they got a lot of moving parts on defense,
lost a bunch of dbs. That's why you pay five
six million dollars respects. So they have an excellent coaching staff.
They're going to be motivated.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
We'll see.
Speaker 10 (38:42):
You know how much Kelsey has has left. That to
me is a pretty big They're paying twelve million dollars.
Last year he was not good, you know, for his
Hall of Fame standards. But yeah, I mean I think
that division. I mean I think the Chargers have a
chance to be, I mean, a powerhouse next year. To me,
they would be as we sit here right now as
the pick to win that division and potentially be the
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number one seed in the AFC.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
No, I feel the same way. So it's you know,
we talk about this all the time, that windows closed
very quickly. That Seahawk window felt like it was going
to be seven years and it was. They lost that
second Super Bowl and it was never the same. And you,
like you look at the Seahawks. I mean, this is
one of the great things about the NFL. One you
can go from bad to good really quickly. But you
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when you think you're really good and are going to great,
go ask the Eagles, Go ask the Chiefs. Stuff closes
really fast when you've got to sign that quarterback to
a big deal. All of a sudden, you get a
right tackle that retires. You know, even Mahomes has been
blown out twice in Super Bowls when they can't get
pass protection. So you can build quickly, you fall quickly
in this league.
Speaker 10 (39:46):
That's why I think John Schneider, Kenneth Walker, Kobe Bryant,
you know, I think he learned his lesson a decade ago.
And you got to be very careful with how you
allocate your funds, and I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
It's tough.
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