July 13, 2026 • 46 mins
Colin Cowherd discusses LeBron James continuing to assess which team he’ll sign with in free agency for his 24th NBA season. Colin believes he will end up back with the Cavaliers but explains why that is not the best landing spot for the 4-time champion.
Colin also talks about a survey featuring league executives, coaches and scouts ranking Josh Allen ahead of Patrick Mahomes as the best QB in the NFL right now and why Colin has been right about Allen for years.
He also talks about the WNBA continuing to shoot themselves in the foot
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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We are live in Chicago. It's The Herd wherever you
may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for
making us part of your day. That stupid stomach virus
I had out of here, just brush it aside. Steaking
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to Martini later feel like a million bucks. So let
me tell you the thing where fans can be hypocrites.
And it's the dumbest argument in the world. If you
took a job at in Nvidia, would your buddies, your wife,
your friends say what a ring chaser? That's the easy
way out in every profession in America. Otani goes to
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the Dodgers. He selects the Dodgers. He's not called a
ring chaser. If you're a high school football five star recruit.
You decide I want to go to Ohio State instead
of Purdue. We celebrate it. Anil kid goes I want
to go play for Michigan and Dusty May we celebrate it.
But in professional basketball, it's the only part of America
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if you join a better option. Puh what a ring chaser.
Lebron James reportedly is going to make a decision in
forty eight hours where he's going. He should go to Philadelphia.
He should go to Philadelphia. It's the best team by far,
best chance to win a championship. Who cares what bots
say on the internet, chase Philadelphia. The problem is he
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didn't have great connection to the city of Philadelphia, doesn't
know a lot of guys in the roster. But it's
by far and away the best situation. I'd go in
one second, dude, it's Navidia. Go ahead and work at
Bob's local computer store in Cleveland. The Cavaliers aren't the
best fit. It's the Lakers with better rim protection. Harden
and Donovan Mitchell don't play defense and need the ball.
That's Austin Reeves and Luca And by the way, Lebron's
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last several years in Los Angeles for the record. When
he chose the Lakers, it was the opposite of ring chasing.
The four previous years, the Lakers, who had one of
the poorest ownership groups in the NBA, had the worst
record in the NBA and the worst point differential. He
went the opposite. How did it work out? In the end?
Frustrated nobody could stay healthy, Luca couldn't stay healthy, eight
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he couldn't stay healthy. Austin Reeves and the playoffs couldn't
stay healthy. Average bench. So what did it get him?
A COVID ring in Miami? He got to four straight finals. Oh,
ring chasing. He wanted to play and work with good coworkers.
I don't even get ring chasing. What does that mean?
Every other person on the planet. When I had opportunities
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to leave in my entire career, I've never once said
I want to go. I want to go work with
lesser management. You know what I like is bad teammates
that need the ball and don't play defense. That's what
I'd like to do. The whole fear about Philadelphia from
the Rich Paul group is and they're already sending messages
it would be viewed as ring chasing. No, it would
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be viewed as meeting contemporaries that have put the commitment
in you have. By the way, the Lakers in Cleveland,
it's the same team with rim protection the last several
years in La Austin Reeves and Luca and Anthony Davis.
They can't stay healthy if you go play for Philadelphia.
Tyrese Maxi has led the NBA in minutes played the
last two years. Durable, reliable, ascending, committed, impeccable shape. Jalen
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Brown's in great shape. Edgecomb's adult man. He is fantastic. Yeah,
embiid em Bead's not necessarily healthy. Some of that's his
body breaking down. But then the idea of your gold
to go to Golden State, Golden State's nostalgia, I understand.
But if you make the playoffs for the Warriors, the
starting five's average age is going to be thirty seven
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years old. Give me a break. That's not viable. And again,
Cleveland chemistry issues. Too many guys that need the basketball,
too many guys outside of Allen and Mobiley that don't
want to play defense. They got swept by the Knicks
and three of the games were embarrassing. They quit. That's
not the best place to go. Go into the Warriors.
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We'll have a lot of nostalgia, but it'll be like
a boy's trip in your fifties to Vegas. The first
night you go, you stay out a little late, and
the rest of the vacation just recovery. And Cleveland's like
moving back in with your parents. It's cool for about
a night, but man, does that get old. Philadelphia is
easily the best choice. But there's this whole thing. We
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punish pro basketball players in ring chasing. We don't punish
stockbrokers that go to the better firm, or lawyers that
go to the better firm, or a surgeon that goes
to a better, more capitalized, more supportive hospital. We don't
even don't. We don't bang on high school or college
kids who join a big brand. We don't crush soccer
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players because they want to play for Real Madrid or
Manchester United. We don't criticize Otani going to the Dodgers
so we can have better players hitting in front and
behind him in the lineup. There's something about pro basketball players,
Oh ring chasing. You want to join that circus in Cleveland.
You've already bailed on him twice. You want to go
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to the old Warriors. I admit that would be fun.
I would love to watch Draymond and Staff and Lebron.
I'd love to watch it. I'm a sucker for that.
That that's like watching that Shawshak redemption for the thirteenth
time Rosen's eleven. Like, I'd watch it. I'd watch it.
Rich Paul on the notion and I've been you know,
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the word is Lebron's making a decision in two days
here forty eight hours. I think one of the reasons
he's waiting. I really believe this is Lebron knows Philadelphia
is the best choice, but he doesn't have a real
visceral emotional connection there. But Lebron's smart, he knows the
best choice. And I don't think he loves, you know,
the ring chasing stuff. Rich Paul discussed that.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
The team he chooses, I don't know yet. There's a
seriousness that comes with this. There's a competitiveness that comes.
We know how hard it is to win championships.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
No roster, no organization.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Is guaranteed to win a championship. But you do want
to be competitive, if you do want to have an
opportunity come late April and early May to compete at
a high level and give yourself the best chance of winning.
He's not chasing the ring.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You hear these things like, why do you have to
chase he got four, there's nothing to chase. He's not
chasing the ghosts or anything like that. But when you've
worked this hard to position yourself the way you have
and you can actually decide what you want to do,
who wouldn't take advantage of that?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Exactly? Go take a job at Nvidia. Go from the
Angels to the Dodgers. Choose the Yankees, Choose you know,
choose the easiest route. Choose Ohio State. Choose you know,
Michigan State basketball over a directional school. Get the better coach,
get the better facilities. I don't get the ring chasing.
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I don't know why we punish just pro basketball players.
We don't punish anybody else in the world for taking
a better job with a better company, with better management,
better momentum. All right, So we're down to the final
four teams in the World Cup. It's big brands and
big stars. You got Bape, mal Messi and Kde And
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it's been really fun to watch in my opinion, the
two most difficult sports clubs to join in the world
are Augusta National and elite World Cup level soccer franchises
the Spains, the England's the Brazils and the Argentinas. I mean,
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Gary Player, a three time Masters champ, was denied playing
recently his grand son. He wanted to play with his
grandkids at Augusta. They turned him down. Bill Gates in
the nineties was the richest man in the world before
we even talked about the richest man in the world.
He couldn't get it in the nineties. He's a member now,
they'd probably like to get rid of him. Money can
buy you a lot of things in baseball. The Dodgers
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money payroll plus the brilliant deferred payment plan has put
them a leg ahead of the sport. In college sports
Michigan basketball, Indiana football, you can buy championships, pay for
the coach, pay for the players. In the NFL, you
can buy immediate success, if not a Super Bowl, hire
a horrorball. That usually helps, but you cannot do it.
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In the international soccer England makes a fortune. England endless,
bottomless pit of revenue for soccer. One World Cup, one
World Cup, and I think that's tough for Americans to swallow.
But I was thinking about this yesterday. I wanted a
big walk trying to get rid of the stomach crap,
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which I finally did, and I was thinking about how
it's almost like technology, Like in the seventies and eighties,
Japan was a mile ahead of us in personal computers,
in semiconductors, and I mean a mile ahead of us,
felt like we never catch up. And then now China
now is ahead of us in evs, I mean I robotics,
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they're a mile ahead of us in robotics, electronic vehicles,
the five G network stuff which I don't know much about,
but they're ahead of us there. So even even when
you have money in international soccer, like Brazil or England,
you can go decades of having a World Cup drought,
even though and the reason is because soccer is so important,
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It is so important for revenue, viability, relevance and for
the culture of countries. It's just like technology. Technology is
so important to everybody on the face of the planet.
Is that sometimes we lead, but not for very long.
We have big gaps, we have droughts, We've had them
in personal computers, and semiconductors and five G and electronic vehicles.
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Nobody leads everything forever. When's the last time we had
back to back World Cup champions It's been forever. Brazil
remember several years ago when they hosted the World Cup
they lost a home game seven to one to Germany.
Brazil the most titles ever. So International Soccer and Augusta
are the hardest clubs to get into. And it does
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remind me a little bit of technology, where you don't
lead everything forever. You can lead and suddenly a trail.
But there's so much relevant, so much money, so much
of every country's future is tied to it. AI is
now the big race you hope you win, even if
America wins. The initial surgeon to AI. Will we lead
five years later? Will we lead twenty years later? It's
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too important for countries not to pour all their resources
into it. This is not hockey or like a baseball,
This is global soccer. And we are just fine. It's
not that we lost, it's the way we lost. We're
gonna be okay. Here's John Strong. Last week.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
We were always gonna face this sort of bleak moment
of retrospection, and like we said, it's amplified by the
manner in which they lost to Belgium. If you compare
it to where we were eight years ago, if you
compare this team to what it was a year ago,
it's in a great spot. It's going forward. But yeah,
it's really really hard to crack into that top ten. Globally,
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few nations bust into the top ten. It's not like
college football where Indiana can buy their way into a
national title. And I'm not being disrespectful to Indiana, just
the DYNA for different.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, Augusta international soccer money has a ceiling and for Americans,
we don't like to hear that. All right, WNBA steps
in it again. NFL Executives, Scouts Coaches survey on the
top ten quarterbacks in the league. Very interesting. Victor Wembinyama
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taking a cue from Tom Brady and Jalen Brunson gets
the big picture of sports going forward. All that coming up,
Colin Wright, Colin Wrong forty five minutes from now.
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think they'll go out to my apple orchard after the show.
Take a big bide in the life. What a city?
What a weekend survey from ESPN. They went to NFL coaches, executives,
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general managers and scouts and they asked them, who are
the ten best quarterbacks in the league? And so, you know,
to a lot of predictable people. Josh Allen above Mahomes.
We've been on that for several years now. Burrow doesn't
make the playoffs anymore. He's at four Dak Prescott has
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one playoff whenever at six. I like to see Jared
Goff and Caleb Williams in there, but where's Sam Darnald.
And that's what's really interesting. Even the GMS in this
league don't know what the hell to do with Sam Darnald.
Back to back fourteen win seasons, totally different players, offensive linemen, coordinators, coaches,
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back to back fourteen wins in a Super Bowl. Since
twenty twenty two, that's four years ago. He has the
highest win percentage of any quarterback in the league, more
than Mahomes Lamar Jackson. He's thirty two to nine, four coaches,
four coordinators, four teams, four rosters, four owners, thirty two
and nine, almost one hundred passer rating. All started once
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he was benched in Carolina, got the job back, went
four and two. Christian McCaffrey, one of the great players
in league history, was there in Carolina and talked about
when Donald first arrived the Panther.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
When I first met him in Carolina, from the jump,
I was like, this guy's a dude. And the more
and more you see him at practice that you see
the throws you make, you understand why he's a top
pick in the draft. And then you're around him more,
and you're like, this is one of the best players
I've been around, period, and it's because of how talent, talent,
how talented his arm is. He's he's way more athletic
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than people give him credit for. And he's really good
at taking what's given to him and doing his job.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Christian McCaffrey's like, that's one of the best football players
I've been around. Carolina has had some good ones. McCaffrey's
been around some good ones in San Francisco, like six
Hall of Famers with the Niners. Yeah, Darnold's one of
the best football players I've been around. So when he
came out of college, I said, there's a little a
little Brett Farv and a little Andrew Luck. He can
be reckless, arm athleticism, toughness, leadership, guys A plus plus.
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I loved him out of college, I admit in Carolina
when he got benched, I was like, I'm not sure
what the Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think i'm wrong.
I see like a little Andrew Luck and a little
bit of Ret Farv and people, Oh, that's ridiculous. Well,
how many Super Bowls does Farv have? Total? Oh? One?
How many is Andrew Luck have none. Sorry, this is football,
it's not baseball. We don't care about your batting average.
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The bottom line is executives don't know what to do.
And I'll give you an example. I say this all
the time. It's not just what happens when you enter
a company, what happens to the one you leave. The
Minnesota Vikings when Sam Donald left, same coat, same coordinators,
same left tackle, same receivers, won five fewer games, missed
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the playoffs. With Sam, they had their greatest year in
twenty six years. I mean that included like Randy mosh
hears right, he leaves Minnesota their bottom bottom feel for
their division. They don't feel like they're nearly as good
now as Detroit, Greenbear, Chicago they would with Donald. He
goes to Seattle. They hadn't won a playoff game in
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six years, they hadn't made the playoffs, and back to
back years they win the Super Bowl and simultaneously let
go of their star receiver DK Metcalf did not better,
did not matter. JSN became a one with Sam Darnold
right like, so, I'm watching Minnesota before he gets there,
Man gets there, while leaves there, Man, I'm watching Seattle
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Man gets there, wins the super Bowl. What's what's the
thread line? What's what do we have in common here?
So you know, people love Joe Burrow and they showed
Joe Burrow's amazing. He's number four in the list. Donald's
not on it. People love Burrow. And the reason they
love Burrow the most is he had a two year
period where he won twenty two games and got to
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a super Bowl. Donald's in a two year period where
he's won twenty eight games and won a super Bowl
and he's not on the list. They don't know what
to do, people, they don't know what to do. Herberts
never won a playoff game, Bak has won. Burl can't
stay healthy, can't make the playoffs again. First images are powerful.
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Those first images are incredibly powerful. You see it what
Jalen hurts. He comes onto the scene, he gets to
a super Bowl. All the data is telling you he
struggles to throw the ball over the middle of the field.
Greg co Sal's been telling us for two years. He
can't see it. But ohh but years ago we had
the perfect team. He had a stack ross. You have
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a great running back yet and that's the reality. The
league's executives do not know what to do with Sam Darnold.
Four teams, four years, thirty two and nine. That's more impressive, right.
Let's the old Bill Parcells Parcells. Whatever team he went to,
he won, whatever the environment won, whatever you could put
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Bill Parcels anywhere, rebuilding jobs. He won. Didn't have to
win super Bowls. He won. I love this so much.
Where is he? Where is Donald? Let me get my bifocals,
my binoculars. Where where is They can't find him on
the list. One guy's for one guy is not on
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the list. I'm just saying, feels like it's closer to me.
I mean, girl's more expensive, Donald's healthier. I mean deep
ball arm I'd take Donald. J. Mack with the news.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
No, no, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I'm gonna stand down. I just a lot of laughter.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
From this rooted coward. Hey, you don't have to know
laughing matter. Argentina, Switzerland, Saturday night. Oh wow, I'm gonna
try to contain my outrage here. This game was actually phenomenal,
or low key phenomenal, as the kids like to say.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
But the referee screwed up. Let's let's be real here, he.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
Calls a foul on Argentina here gives the gentleman a
yellow card. It was very clear on replace there was
no foul.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
That's a terrible yellow card.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
So he goes to Var and says, oh, I got
it wrong. It's simulation because the Switzerland star was diving,
so you get the yellow, and he had a yellow
prior and he was given a red and sent off Colin.
There was outrage everywhere, very controversial.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yes, I just don't think.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
You can send someone off with twenty minutes left on
a red card in a tie game in the quarterfinals.
How could you do that?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well? And again Var is proving what our replay proves
in pro football, which is ninety five percent of the
time it's an asset and then about five percent of
the time it adds more confusion. And I think we
saw it. We've seen it multiple times with Balligan and
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this instance where whenever you introduce replay, we think it
solves any issues, but it clouds and muddies a smaller
percentage of issues that that interception in the Broncos game
against Buffalo. I honestly I would have been better without replay.
It made it more confusing and more maddening. The des
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Bryant catch no catch replay was more infuriating. I would
have rather seen it once and moved on. So you know,
I agree with you here. I didn't. I didn't buy
what they settled on. But I just I've gone into replay.
I didn't think this way years ago. I've just come
to terms with about about once every weekend in the NFL.
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Replay makes it worse, and the rest at times it
does make it better.
Speaker 8 (21:40):
The only problem is this is every four years, right,
you get you get a small chance to make the
World Cup.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
This is a quarterfinals.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
Yes, it's a dive, that's obvious everybody can watch.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
No, it's a good attempt at a dive. I mean
NBA stars are out here.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
Like, do I need to add that to my bag?
That's an amazing dive and initially it worked, but I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
This is on the referee.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Man.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
It's disappointing anyway.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Argentina, Huh, there is a rule you're not supposed to die.
It's called simulation. Yep, right, let's go.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Let's go to the call by Ian Dark the game
winner in overtime. This is an absolute banger from Alvarez.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Alvarez, I wondrous Gough Argentina do it again? Just sensational
Billian Alvarez, unstoppable to break the hats. That's Switzerland.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
That's a tough one for Switzerland. Argentina added another one
to move on for the.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
So now are you pro dive? Is I guess what
I'm asking? Are you pro dive?
Speaker 8 (22:42):
I don't love diving.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I understand it.
Speaker 8 (22:45):
I mean you could call this the SGA.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
So what would you have done? If you were the official?
I would have said I got it wrong.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
There's no yellow card on Argentina.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
It's a dive. Don't do that crap again, or you're
out of here. I want to see the.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
Players decide the game, don't you.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Oh of course i'd yeah.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
So unless it's a remember the Wenby elbow to the
face of Nasried, that's obvious you got to eject him.
But a dive in a tie game with twenty minutes left,
I don't know anyways. Argentina England colin massive semi final game.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
You know, I like dream I like England interesting.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
So if you look at some of the gambling lines
to advance, England is minus one forty four that's a
significant they think England will advance the books. Now that
could be a hedge because so much money as being
better at England. Well, but then again, Messi's the most
public player in the sport.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
The great advantage England has they played poorly and won.
What does Sean Payton Oways say? The best time to
be a coach is you play poorly and you win,
and so you can coach harder. So I think I
think I thought England was fine. I don't understand people
not acknowledging it was the hottest World Cup game for
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a country that does not plan those temperatures. England was effected.
I think both were affected Earling Holland by the incredible
humidity and temperature on the field. It was not necessarily
a well played game by many of the stars. I
just think you chalk it up to listen, we saw
it in the brazil World Cup. The Brazilian World Cup,
there were just moments where teams were playing in the
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middle of the day or early afternoon in just outrageous
simmering temperatures and they didn't play particularly well. Fatigue that's in.
So I think England playing poorly and winning comes out
that's the side for me. Yeah, And I'll be honest.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
I hear some people online being like, hey, we need
to move the World Cup to the winter in these
more weather locals. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't mess
with my NFL season. I can't handle NFL and.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
World Also, also, these networks buying for it had NFL schedules,
So that's just if you want networks to buy for it,
they they And by the way, if I'm a streaming service, yes,
and I want to own it and you want to
move it to the football season, that is absolutely going
to hurt revenues and viewership. If you're Netflix and you
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can buy it and move it to the football season,
a lot of people aren't gonna watch just because it's
on a streamer. Now the time now, the time zones
are screwed up. Remember the next two World Cups. The
time zones aren't as favorable. It's not in America. So
if a streamer goes and buys it, you don't get
the time zones. If I have to move it to
the football season against the NFL and CBS and Fox
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and ABC and the ESPN and NBC running football, the
number's gonna get cut in half. Yeah, that's an issue.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
And it's next in Portugal Spain, and you know, as
you just went there, Spain can be a little warm
in June and July.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Not terribly humid, but it is. It's arid, but it's hot.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
Yeah, yeah, all right, let's move on to the NFL. Colin, Listen,
we haven't talked about Aaron Rodgers in a while. It's
been a glorious month.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
He's back. Look at him.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
He's going on social media and now posting that he's
hanging out a big bro trip.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
He's calling it the last Rodeo.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
Hashtag bonding week with his wide receivers. And they're not
in a darkness retreat. They are somewhere in some mountains.
Michael Pittman Junior, Ben Scaronic Roman Wilson, Mason Rudolph, DK
Metcalf and.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Pat Fryar moot the tight end. That pretty good group
of players. Yeah, here's a honeymoon phase.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Huh you remember that, well, honeymoon.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Phase, the early days.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Everything's happy and peachy. Oh Aaron, what a guy. He's
so nice. He paid for this whole trip. He's just
such a great human. Listen, it's his last year in
the league. Let's celebrate the greatness of Aaron Rodgers. Let's
be positive about this. I'll let you handle that. I'll tackle.
I'll tackle the negative.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
I am not looking forward to the Steelers this season.
Final story cal that's the NBA, of course, and Lebron James.
You say he's supposed to decide in the next forty
eight hours.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
That's fascinating.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
It's the Calves, Sixers and heat with the Warriors and
Draymond Green making a pitch. Here's Draymond on his pitch
to Lebron.
Speaker 9 (26:54):
I'd be remissed if I don't take the opportunity to
throw my pitch in there. You know, I'd be crazy
if we're together for X amount of days and at
no point in my like, yo, we need to chop
it up, like what the hell going on? Was what
we're doing? The things that I shared in it. I
(27:15):
believe it definitely is going to make the brain work
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, you should make the pitch. And I do think
there are positives to Cleveland. It's not the basketball part.
It's the fact that it's home. There's a positive to
the Warriors. He's really close with Draymond Green loves Steph Curry.
Steve Curry respects that. And then there's the positive with Philadelphia,
which is it's by far and away the best group
of young players that can protect Lebron's age. They're durable,
(27:46):
they play defense. I mean when you get older, right
as a as a pro athlete. When Tom Brady chose Tampa,
they had young athletic offensive linemen, they had young tight ends.
They had. He went and brought Gronk, but they had
Chris Godwin, they had Mike Evans. Brady was very smart.
Brady's like, I'm choosing as I age, age equals wisdom.
(28:10):
I'm going to choose players to elevate me. Maybe maybe
you know, I've got some weak spots as I've aged.
It was a new conference, it's a new coach. It's like,
I want to bring in Gronk. Gronk helps me with familiarity.
I want to bring in a veteran running back. Lenny
Fernett helps me with some familiarity, an older player. So
I think when you're an older player and you look
(28:32):
at it, you think, what what what are my limitations?
Lebron's like, I'm not playing the same defense. I used
to em beads a rim protector. Jalen Brown defense Edgecomb's
a good defender. So I think Lebron looks at that
and thinks, oh, that checks some boxes. I really think
Golden State's fun in Cleveland's home. I think Philadelphia buy
a mile. I don't think he'll choose the Sixers, but
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I think it's easily the best situation for him.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
So we've known this for about a month that the
only way the Warriors happens is if Rich Paul can
convince Golden State to trade for Anthony Davis and then
pay him. That's what's holding this up. Essentially. Hey, guys,
come on, you want Anthony Davis, you want to pay him,
and then you get Lebron. Now Lebron ad Draymond Curry
Porzingis that's actually not terrible. But without a d who's
(29:19):
the room protector in Golden State?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
They have no defense, you know.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
Now, I did see some comments about your Sixers thing that,
and I don't know how accurate they are, But Lebron
don't want to play with Joel Embiid because he's always
hurt and you know, he's a little bit of an egomaniac.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Would the Sixers move off Embad? I wish they would.
I don't think anybody would take the contract.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
That's the problem, So I keep falling back on Cleveland.
I think it'll be the Cavs. I do like that
he's stretching this out, though, Colin. If he wants to
wait till next week, that works too, Like what's the
rush Lebron?
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Speaker 1 (36:08):
So I think it was about a year ago or so.
I forget exactly when it was, but Adam Silver came
on our show, The Herd. And I've had Roger Goodell
and Rob Manfred, I've had Don Garber, I've had all
the commissioners except for the WNBA commissioner. I don't think
I've ever had Gary Bettman on. But when I had
Adam Silver on, I asked him about the three point
shot getting too repetitive. I asked him about load management,
(36:30):
I asked him about tanking, and he was great, and
he answered all of them with a smile, and we
went back and forth. And that's what being a commissioner
is all about. Otherwise, you know, it'd be just I.
We would work for the NBA. But Silver didn't have
to come on Fox. We don't have a contract with him.
I mean, that's some other network. He didn't have to
(36:51):
come on this. But he knows I liked the NBA.
And he never asked what questions I would ask. He
didn't care. And he was great. He was unbelievable. One
of my favorite twenty minutes I've had on the air.
I would love to have Adam Silver every year. He's
a super smart guy. He's totally monetized the league. So
the WNBA has stepped it in a lot and a
lot of people myself included, have been critical. So Dan Patrick,
(37:13):
you know Dan Patrick. He had scheduled his staff, good staff.
They had scheduled Kathy Engelbert, the commissioner of the WNBA.
Now all of us in this business, have people bail
on us? I've lost people. You know, some people get busy,
they forget whatever, or they just don't want to do it.
Commissioners should not bail on schedule interviews. I mean that
(37:35):
part of being a commissioner is being responsible and taking
tough questions. So Kathy Engelbert, the Dan Patrick staff booked
her and she bailed and apparently I didn't see it,
but was you know, one hundred yards off just playing golf.
That would add to it. So Dan Patrick went on
the air and he was very upset about it.
Speaker 17 (37:55):
We're just trying to be a journalist here, that's all.
We're just trying to ask questions, but don't say yes.
And then all of a sudden somebody probably said, in
my opinion, ooh, maybe.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
We shouldn't do this.
Speaker 17 (38:08):
Well, at some point you have to do this. This
is an important league. There's expansion, there's conversation, it's been agendaized.
Everybody has something to say about it. Now you have
a chance to answer these questions.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I think that is a totally reasonable response. Dan's been
doing this for one hundred years. He does a great job.
He's a total pro. He was upset and voiced it.
When you're doing a three hour radio show live. We
don't have a copy editor in this business. We don't
have tape editors. You go on the air live. If
you emote because you're upset, I want to hear about it.
That's good broadcasting to me. He has every right to
(38:46):
have that opinion. And he has a very good staff,
and guy's been around forever, and commissioners don't bail on interviews,
just don't do it. So it's interesting because I was
watching the WNBA yesterday and I thought about this yesterday
and I watched ABA game and I got to tell
you the product. It was in Dallas, very good TV,
very good energy. And here's the thing. And I was thinking,
(39:07):
why is the WNBA just keep stepping in it. I
can keep bashing them, but why And I came to
the conclusion that there's all these leagues, they all have owners,
they all have commissioners, they're all covered by the media.
Since Caitlin Clark has arrived, the WNBA has exploded. They're
now flying private. They've introduced three new teams. The Golden
(39:29):
State Valkyries have a billion dollar valuation. They're drawing like
twenty thousand a night, the Portland Fire home run, Toronto
Tempo home run. You got three new franchises. That takes
a lot of work. You have a superstar in the league.
(39:51):
That takes a lot of work. The other night Toronto
played Montreal. They had like twenty thousand people at the game.
You got posters now that even create controversy. You have
exploding revenue, exploding attendance, massive star powering Caitlin Clark, very
strong growth, and I think all of it is it's
a little too much for them to handle. It's like
(40:14):
any business listening, anybody listening to me that owns a business,
is that part of the problem of hyper growth as
a business, any business, it's just getting your damn arms
around it. And they have stepped in it so many times.
And they beat hockey now the NHL and ratings, Kaitlin
Clark is as well known as almost any Hawkers hockey star.
(40:35):
Maybe that's not even arguab maybe it's by a lot.
She sells merchandise, she moves TV ratings. There's nobody in
hockey doing that. And hockey's a legit sport, like one
of the Big four. So you've got bigger arenas, bigger attendants,
bigger revenue, different travel, superstar, massive media criticism. They can't
get their arms around it. Like and if Gordon Ramsay
(40:55):
opens a restaurant in London and it tanks, it makes
the newspapers, it's talked about. If your buddy Joe opens
a restaurant west side of Chicago in tanks, nobody cares.
That's the downside of popularity. It is a privilege to
be criticized. It is a privilege to deal with pressure.
And I'm just thinking about it this weekend. I'm like, God,
(41:16):
they keep stepping in it. It's not like they're a
bunch of dummies. I think they have such hyper growth
they can't get their arms around it. It is surging.
It would be like if you if a Caitlin Clark
level hockey star was introduced and literally tripled the ratings
for the league, and you opened up three new, very
successful franchises over a one two year period, you change
(41:40):
the way you travel. You're now talked about regularly. We
don't talk NHL much. You're now talked about regularly. And
you got executives, you know, trying to put a fence
around it, and a commissioner trying to put a fence
around it. And I think they've grown so fast. It
is like any business that is surging quickly over a
two year period. And you know, I, you know, I'd
(42:04):
love to have any commissioner on if Batman called tomorrow
and had something, I'd ask him questions about hockey. But
you know, it's it is almost and I'm not defending
the WNBA here or Kathy Engelberg. It's almost a predictable outcome.
It's like somebody is listening to my show right now, man, woman,
they're watching me. They're listening, and they own a business
(42:26):
and the business is going really well and it's surging.
And somebody told me years ago when I started the volume,
they said, you want to know what ownership and management
really is putting out small fires so they don't become infernos.
Because every day with a new business, especially if it's
growing quickly, every day there's a fire, you don't want
(42:47):
the campfire to spread to the tents and the trees
fifteen feet away. And they just haven't done a very
good job to put out their fires. So people want success,
they're they're not. I was prepared for the success they
get and I'm not defending anybody, but they have stuffed
that at so many times. This is just another example
(43:09):
of they got a little bit paranoid. I said this
a couple of weeks ago. The league's a little paranoid.
It's a little insular. The quality of the plays good
Page Becker, Star, Caitlin Starr, They've got a Jo Wilson's
and they're Michael Jordan, an unbelievable talent they've got. I'm
sitting there and watching that game, I think yesterday, and
I was just going around the television. There was no
World Cup games, couldn't find a good baseball game, so
(43:31):
I'm going around a TV and the WNBA game was excellent,
like there was in Dallas. They had looked like they
had thirteen, fourteen, fifteen thousand people. There was great energy
jumped off the TV. And I was like, oh, this
is good TV. And I was doing stuff on the computer,
so I wasn't paying full attention to it. There was
a Summer League game. The WNBA game had more energy.
I was like, this is kind of interesting. So something
(43:53):
else that I that, Well, okay, I'll just I'm going
to save this for the top of the hour. There's
been a lot of different stuff happening this weekend. It
was so funny. One of the things, you know, how
like when the Patriots were winning in Belichick was grumpy
and when Alabama would win a national title and the
next day Sabin was grumpy and the Spurs were dominating,
(44:15):
but Popovich was grumpy. That's called standards. Can I just play?
Can I just play? The one bite? This is the
England manager after winning a World Cup game in one
hundred and seven degree heat over Norway.
Speaker 18 (44:32):
The commitment is say, but we made life very very
difficult fast and the way we played, how we played slopping,
a lot of technical mistakes, not fast enough, not repetitive enough.
We were lucky today. There's no mentality problem. This is
pure mentality. This is pure mentality. You can bottle it
(44:52):
up and sell it this. Yeah, So why is the
prime for mentality? It's equality of our games.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Now. My take is the interviewer didn't ask him about
the heat. To me, the heat was a huge issue.
England and Norway do not play in that level of
heat and that intensity in that stage. So I think
it got sloppy. But I love the fact it's called standards.
That's Belichick. After winning like an AFC championship, he'd go
(45:23):
on and be like, you know, we're just lucky we won.
And you know, he was like, I mean, how many
times did Belichick do that? My gut, he must have
done it one hundred times during the Dynasty complain after
a huge win and Saban Saban won in a national championship,
people would compliment Alabama and he'd be like, that's rat poison.
(45:44):
Compliment to rat poison. I tell my guys, don't drink
rat poison. You're like, you just want a Natty when
your second and three years. Nick Belichick's famous for saying
no days off after winning a Super Bowl. So just
to watch the British manager go out and he was
just totally disgusted by the before. But so I'm like,
(46:04):
they got their Saban, they got their Popovitch. That's Dan
Hurley at Yukon after getting into the final four. You like,
that's what coaching is. Standards. Sean Paytonohas says the best
time to coach is when you win but play poorly.
He goes, man, I can really beat on the team
after that. That's a great week in coaching,
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to Martini later feel like a million bucks. So let
me tell you the thing where fans can be hypocrites.
And it's the dumbest argument in the world. If you
took a job at in Nvidia, would your buddies, your wife,
your friends say what a ring chaser? That's the easy
way out in every profession in America. Otani goes to
(01:13):
the Dodgers. He selects the Dodgers. He's not called a
ring chaser. If you're a high school football five star recruit.
You decide I want to go to Ohio State instead
of Purdue. We celebrate it. Anil kid goes I want
to go play for Michigan and Dusty May we celebrate it.
But in professional basketball, it's the only part of America
(01:37):
if you join a better option. Puh what a ring chaser.
Lebron James reportedly is going to make a decision in
forty eight hours where he's going. He should go to Philadelphia.
He should go to Philadelphia. It's the best team by far,
best chance to win a championship. Who cares what bots
say on the internet, chase Philadelphia. The problem is he
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didn't have great connection to the city of Philadelphia, doesn't
know a lot of guys in the roster. But it's
by far and away the best situation. I'd go in
one second, dude, it's Navidia. Go ahead and work at
Bob's local computer store in Cleveland. The Cavaliers aren't the
best fit. It's the Lakers with better rim protection. Harden
and Donovan Mitchell don't play defense and need the ball.
That's Austin Reeves and Luca And by the way, Lebron's
(02:24):
last several years in Los Angeles for the record. When
he chose the Lakers, it was the opposite of ring chasing.
The four previous years, the Lakers, who had one of
the poorest ownership groups in the NBA, had the worst
record in the NBA and the worst point differential. He
went the opposite. How did it work out? In the end?
Frustrated nobody could stay healthy, Luca couldn't stay healthy, eight
(02:47):
he couldn't stay healthy. Austin Reeves and the playoffs couldn't
stay healthy. Average bench. So what did it get him?
A COVID ring in Miami? He got to four straight finals. Oh,
ring chasing. He wanted to play and work with good coworkers.
I don't even get ring chasing. What does that mean?
Every other person on the planet. When I had opportunities
(03:08):
to leave in my entire career, I've never once said
I want to go. I want to go work with
lesser management. You know what I like is bad teammates
that need the ball and don't play defense. That's what
I'd like to do. The whole fear about Philadelphia from
the Rich Paul group is and they're already sending messages
it would be viewed as ring chasing. No, it would
(03:29):
be viewed as meeting contemporaries that have put the commitment
in you have. By the way, the Lakers in Cleveland,
it's the same team with rim protection the last several
years in La Austin Reeves and Luca and Anthony Davis.
They can't stay healthy if you go play for Philadelphia.
Tyrese Maxi has led the NBA in minutes played the
last two years. Durable, reliable, ascending, committed, impeccable shape. Jalen
(03:56):
Brown's in great shape. Edgecomb's adult man. He is fantastic. Yeah,
embiid em Bead's not necessarily healthy. Some of that's his
body breaking down. But then the idea of your gold
to go to Golden State, Golden State's nostalgia, I understand.
But if you make the playoffs for the Warriors, the
starting five's average age is going to be thirty seven
(04:19):
years old. Give me a break. That's not viable. And again,
Cleveland chemistry issues. Too many guys that need the basketball,
too many guys outside of Allen and Mobiley that don't
want to play defense. They got swept by the Knicks
and three of the games were embarrassing. They quit. That's
not the best place to go. Go into the Warriors.
(04:39):
We'll have a lot of nostalgia, but it'll be like
a boy's trip in your fifties to Vegas. The first
night you go, you stay out a little late, and
the rest of the vacation just recovery. And Cleveland's like
moving back in with your parents. It's cool for about
a night, but man, does that get old. Philadelphia is
easily the best choice. But there's this whole thing. We
(05:01):
punish pro basketball players in ring chasing. We don't punish
stockbrokers that go to the better firm, or lawyers that
go to the better firm, or a surgeon that goes
to a better, more capitalized, more supportive hospital. We don't
even don't. We don't bang on high school or college
kids who join a big brand. We don't crush soccer
(05:22):
players because they want to play for Real Madrid or
Manchester United. We don't criticize Otani going to the Dodgers
so we can have better players hitting in front and
behind him in the lineup. There's something about pro basketball players,
Oh ring chasing. You want to join that circus in Cleveland.
You've already bailed on him twice. You want to go
(05:43):
to the old Warriors. I admit that would be fun.
I would love to watch Draymond and Staff and Lebron.
I'd love to watch it. I'm a sucker for that.
That that's like watching that Shawshak redemption for the thirteenth
time Rosen's eleven. Like, I'd watch it. I'd watch it.
Rich Paul on the notion and I've been you know,
(06:03):
the word is Lebron's making a decision in two days
here forty eight hours. I think one of the reasons
he's waiting. I really believe this is Lebron knows Philadelphia
is the best choice, but he doesn't have a real
visceral emotional connection there. But Lebron's smart, he knows the
best choice. And I don't think he loves, you know,
the ring chasing stuff. Rich Paul discussed that.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
The team he chooses, I don't know yet. There's a
seriousness that comes with this. There's a competitiveness that comes.
We know how hard it is to win championships.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
No roster, no organization.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Is guaranteed to win a championship. But you do want
to be competitive, if you do want to have an
opportunity come late April and early May to compete at
a high level and give yourself the best chance of winning.
He's not chasing the ring.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You hear these things like, why do you have to
chase he got four, there's nothing to chase. He's not
chasing the ghosts or anything like that. But when you've
worked this hard to position yourself the way you have
and you can actually decide what you want to do,
who wouldn't take advantage of that?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Exactly? Go take a job at Nvidia. Go from the
Angels to the Dodgers. Choose the Yankees, Choose you know,
choose the easiest route. Choose Ohio State. Choose you know,
Michigan State basketball over a directional school. Get the better coach,
get the better facilities. I don't get the ring chasing.
(07:26):
I don't know why we punish just pro basketball players.
We don't punish anybody else in the world for taking
a better job with a better company, with better management,
better momentum. All right, So we're down to the final
four teams in the World Cup. It's big brands and
big stars. You got Bape, mal Messi and Kde And
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it's been really fun to watch in my opinion, the
two most difficult sports clubs to join in the world
are Augusta National and elite World Cup level soccer franchises
the Spains, the England's the Brazils and the Argentinas. I mean,
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Gary Player, a three time Masters champ, was denied playing
recently his grand son. He wanted to play with his
grandkids at Augusta. They turned him down. Bill Gates in
the nineties was the richest man in the world before
we even talked about the richest man in the world.
He couldn't get it in the nineties. He's a member now,
they'd probably like to get rid of him. Money can
buy you a lot of things in baseball. The Dodgers
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money payroll plus the brilliant deferred payment plan has put
them a leg ahead of the sport. In college sports
Michigan basketball, Indiana football, you can buy championships, pay for
the coach, pay for the players. In the NFL, you
can buy immediate success, if not a Super Bowl, hire
a horrorball. That usually helps, but you cannot do it.
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In the international soccer England makes a fortune. England endless,
bottomless pit of revenue for soccer. One World Cup, one
World Cup, and I think that's tough for Americans to swallow.
But I was thinking about this yesterday. I wanted a
big walk trying to get rid of the stomach crap,
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which I finally did, and I was thinking about how
it's almost like technology, Like in the seventies and eighties,
Japan was a mile ahead of us in personal computers,
in semiconductors, and I mean a mile ahead of us,
felt like we never catch up. And then now China
now is ahead of us in evs, I mean I robotics,
(09:43):
they're a mile ahead of us in robotics, electronic vehicles,
the five G network stuff which I don't know much about,
but they're ahead of us there. So even even when
you have money in international soccer, like Brazil or England,
you can go decades of having a World Cup drought,
even though and the reason is because soccer is so important,
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It is so important for revenue, viability, relevance and for
the culture of countries. It's just like technology. Technology is
so important to everybody on the face of the planet.
Is that sometimes we lead, but not for very long.
We have big gaps, we have droughts, We've had them
in personal computers, and semiconductors and five G and electronic vehicles.
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Nobody leads everything forever. When's the last time we had
back to back World Cup champions It's been forever. Brazil
remember several years ago when they hosted the World Cup
they lost a home game seven to one to Germany.
Brazil the most titles ever. So International Soccer and Augusta
are the hardest clubs to get into. And it does
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remind me a little bit of technology, where you don't
lead everything forever. You can lead and suddenly a trail.
But there's so much relevant, so much money, so much
of every country's future is tied to it. AI is
now the big race you hope you win, even if
America wins. The initial surgeon to AI. Will we lead
five years later? Will we lead twenty years later? It's
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too important for countries not to pour all their resources
into it. This is not hockey or like a baseball,
This is global soccer. And we are just fine. It's
not that we lost, it's the way we lost. We're
gonna be okay. Here's John Strong. Last week.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
We were always gonna face this sort of bleak moment
of retrospection, and like we said, it's amplified by the
manner in which they lost to Belgium. If you compare
it to where we were eight years ago, if you
compare this team to what it was a year ago,
it's in a great spot. It's going forward. But yeah,
it's really really hard to crack into that top ten. Globally,
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few nations bust into the top ten. It's not like
college football where Indiana can buy their way into a
national title. And I'm not being disrespectful to Indiana, just
the DYNA for different.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, Augusta international soccer money has a ceiling and for Americans,
we don't like to hear that. All right, WNBA steps
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general managers and scouts and they asked them, who are
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to a lot of predictable people. Josh Allen above Mahomes.
We've been on that for several years now. Burrow doesn't
make the playoffs anymore. He's at four Dak Prescott has
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one playoff whenever at six. I like to see Jared
Goff and Caleb Williams in there, but where's Sam Darnald.
And that's what's really interesting. Even the GMS in this
league don't know what the hell to do with Sam Darnald.
Back to back fourteen win seasons, totally different players, offensive linemen, coordinators, coaches,
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back to back fourteen wins in a Super Bowl. Since
twenty twenty two, that's four years ago. He has the
highest win percentage of any quarterback in the league, more
than Mahomes Lamar Jackson. He's thirty two to nine, four coaches,
four coordinators, four teams, four rosters, four owners, thirty two
and nine, almost one hundred passer rating. All started once
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he was benched in Carolina, got the job back, went
four and two. Christian McCaffrey, one of the great players
in league history, was there in Carolina and talked about
when Donald first arrived the Panther.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
When I first met him in Carolina, from the jump,
I was like, this guy's a dude. And the more
and more you see him at practice that you see
the throws you make, you understand why he's a top
pick in the draft. And then you're around him more,
and you're like, this is one of the best players
I've been around, period, and it's because of how talent, talent,
how talented his arm is. He's he's way more athletic
(15:25):
than people give him credit for. And he's really good
at taking what's given to him and doing his job.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Christian McCaffrey's like, that's one of the best football players
I've been around. Carolina has had some good ones. McCaffrey's
been around some good ones in San Francisco, like six
Hall of Famers with the Niners. Yeah, Darnold's one of
the best football players I've been around. So when he
came out of college, I said, there's a little a
little Brett Farv and a little Andrew Luck. He can
be reckless, arm athleticism, toughness, leadership, guys A plus plus.
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I loved him out of college, I admit in Carolina
when he got benched, I was like, I'm not sure
what the Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think i'm wrong.
I see like a little Andrew Luck and a little
bit of Ret Farv and people, Oh, that's ridiculous. Well,
how many Super Bowls does Farv have? Total? Oh? One?
How many is Andrew Luck have none. Sorry, this is football,
it's not baseball. We don't care about your batting average.
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The bottom line is executives don't know what to do.
And I'll give you an example. I say this all
the time. It's not just what happens when you enter
a company, what happens to the one you leave. The
Minnesota Vikings when Sam Donald left, same coat, same coordinators,
same left tackle, same receivers, won five fewer games, missed
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the playoffs. With Sam, they had their greatest year in
twenty six years. I mean that included like Randy mosh
hears right, he leaves Minnesota their bottom bottom feel for
their division. They don't feel like they're nearly as good
now as Detroit, Greenbear, Chicago they would with Donald. He
goes to Seattle. They hadn't won a playoff game in
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six years, they hadn't made the playoffs, and back to
back years they win the Super Bowl and simultaneously let
go of their star receiver DK Metcalf did not better,
did not matter. JSN became a one with Sam Darnold
right like, so, I'm watching Minnesota before he gets there,
Man gets there, while leaves there, Man, I'm watching Seattle
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Man gets there, wins the super Bowl. What's what's the
thread line? What's what do we have in common here?
So you know, people love Joe Burrow and they showed
Joe Burrow's amazing. He's number four in the list. Donald's
not on it. People love Burrow. And the reason they
love Burrow the most is he had a two year
period where he won twenty two games and got to
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a super Bowl. Donald's in a two year period where
he's won twenty eight games and won a super Bowl
and he's not on the list. They don't know what
to do, people, they don't know what to do. Herberts
never won a playoff game, Bak has won. Burl can't
stay healthy, can't make the playoffs again. First images are powerful.
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Those first images are incredibly powerful. You see it what
Jalen hurts. He comes onto the scene, he gets to
a super Bowl. All the data is telling you he
struggles to throw the ball over the middle of the field.
Greg co Sal's been telling us for two years. He
can't see it. But ohh but years ago we had
the perfect team. He had a stack ross. You have
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a great running back yet and that's the reality. The
league's executives do not know what to do with Sam Darnold.
Four teams, four years, thirty two and nine. That's more impressive, right.
Let's the old Bill Parcells Parcells. Whatever team he went to,
he won, whatever the environment won, whatever you could put
(18:52):
Bill Parcels anywhere, rebuilding jobs. He won. Didn't have to
win super Bowls. He won. I love this so much.
Where is he? Where is Donald? Let me get my bifocals,
my binoculars. Where where is They can't find him on
the list. One guy's for one guy is not on
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the list. I'm just saying, feels like it's closer to me.
I mean, girl's more expensive, Donald's healthier. I mean deep
ball arm I'd take Donald. J. Mack with the news.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
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Speaker 1 (19:32):
I'm gonna stand down. I just a lot of laughter.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
From this rooted coward. Hey, you don't have to know
laughing matter. Argentina, Switzerland, Saturday night. Oh wow, I'm gonna
try to contain my outrage here. This game was actually phenomenal,
or low key phenomenal, as the kids like to say.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
But the referee screwed up. Let's let's be real here, he.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
Calls a foul on Argentina here gives the gentleman a
yellow card. It was very clear on replace there was
no foul.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
That's a terrible yellow card.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
So he goes to Var and says, oh, I got
it wrong. It's simulation because the Switzerland star was diving,
so you get the yellow, and he had a yellow
prior and he was given a red and sent off Colin.
There was outrage everywhere, very controversial.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yes, I just don't think.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
You can send someone off with twenty minutes left on
a red card in a tie game in the quarterfinals.
How could you do that?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well? And again Var is proving what our replay proves
in pro football, which is ninety five percent of the
time it's an asset and then about five percent of
the time it adds more confusion. And I think we
saw it. We've seen it multiple times with Balligan and
(20:49):
this instance where whenever you introduce replay, we think it
solves any issues, but it clouds and muddies a smaller
percentage of issues that that interception in the Broncos game
against Buffalo. I honestly I would have been better without replay.
It made it more confusing and more maddening. The des
(21:12):
Bryant catch no catch replay was more infuriating. I would
have rather seen it once and moved on. So you know,
I agree with you here. I didn't. I didn't buy
what they settled on. But I just I've gone into replay.
I didn't think this way years ago. I've just come
to terms with about about once every weekend in the NFL.
(21:36):
Replay makes it worse, and the rest at times it
does make it better.
Speaker 8 (21:40):
The only problem is this is every four years, right,
you get you get a small chance to make the
World Cup.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
This is a quarterfinals.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
Yes, it's a dive, that's obvious everybody can watch.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
No, it's a good attempt at a dive. I mean
NBA stars are out here.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
Like, do I need to add that to my bag?
That's an amazing dive and initially it worked, but I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
This is on the referee.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Man.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
It's disappointing anyway.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Argentina, Huh, there is a rule you're not supposed to die.
It's called simulation. Yep, right, let's go.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Let's go to the call by Ian Dark the game
winner in overtime. This is an absolute banger from Alvarez.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Alvarez, I wondrous Gough Argentina do it again? Just sensational
Billian Alvarez, unstoppable to break the hats. That's Switzerland.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
That's a tough one for Switzerland. Argentina added another one
to move on for the.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
So now are you pro dive? Is I guess what
I'm asking? Are you pro dive?
Speaker 8 (22:42):
I don't love diving.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I understand it.
Speaker 8 (22:45):
I mean you could call this the SGA.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
So what would you have done? If you were the official?
I would have said I got it wrong.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
There's no yellow card on Argentina.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
It's a dive. Don't do that crap again, or you're
out of here. I want to see the.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
Players decide the game, don't you.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Oh of course i'd yeah.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
So unless it's a remember the Wenby elbow to the
face of Nasried, that's obvious you got to eject him.
But a dive in a tie game with twenty minutes left,
I don't know anyways. Argentina England colin massive semi final game.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
You know, I like dream I like England interesting.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
So if you look at some of the gambling lines
to advance, England is minus one forty four that's a
significant they think England will advance the books. Now that
could be a hedge because so much money as being
better at England. Well, but then again, Messi's the most
public player in the sport.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
The great advantage England has they played poorly and won.
What does Sean Payton Oways say? The best time to
be a coach is you play poorly and you win,
and so you can coach harder. So I think I
think I thought England was fine. I don't understand people
not acknowledging it was the hottest World Cup game for
(23:55):
a country that does not plan those temperatures. England was effected.
I think both were affected Earling Holland by the incredible
humidity and temperature on the field. It was not necessarily
a well played game by many of the stars. I
just think you chalk it up to listen, we saw
it in the brazil World Cup. The Brazilian World Cup,
there were just moments where teams were playing in the
(24:17):
middle of the day or early afternoon in just outrageous
simmering temperatures and they didn't play particularly well. Fatigue that's in.
So I think England playing poorly and winning comes out
that's the side for me. Yeah, And I'll be honest.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
I hear some people online being like, hey, we need
to move the World Cup to the winter in these
more weather locals. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't mess
with my NFL season. I can't handle NFL and.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
World Also, also, these networks buying for it had NFL schedules,
So that's just if you want networks to buy for it,
they they And by the way, if I'm a streaming service, yes,
and I want to own it and you want to
move it to the football season, that is absolutely going
to hurt revenues and viewership. If you're Netflix and you
(25:01):
can buy it and move it to the football season,
a lot of people aren't gonna watch just because it's
on a streamer. Now the time now, the time zones
are screwed up. Remember the next two World Cups. The
time zones aren't as favorable. It's not in America. So
if a streamer goes and buys it, you don't get
the time zones. If I have to move it to
the football season against the NFL and CBS and Fox
(25:23):
and ABC and the ESPN and NBC running football, the
number's gonna get cut in half. Yeah, that's an issue.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
And it's next in Portugal Spain, and you know, as
you just went there, Spain can be a little warm
in June and July.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Not terribly humid, but it is. It's arid, but it's hot.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
Yeah, yeah, all right, let's move on to the NFL. Colin, Listen,
we haven't talked about Aaron Rodgers in a while. It's
been a glorious month.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
He's back. Look at him.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
He's going on social media and now posting that he's
hanging out a big bro trip.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
He's calling it the last Rodeo.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
Hashtag bonding week with his wide receivers. And they're not
in a darkness retreat. They are somewhere in some mountains.
Michael Pittman Junior, Ben Scaronic Roman Wilson, Mason Rudolph, DK
Metcalf and.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Pat Fryar moot the tight end. That pretty good group
of players. Yeah, here's a honeymoon phase.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Huh you remember that, well, honeymoon.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Phase, the early days.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Everything's happy and peachy. Oh Aaron, what a guy. He's
so nice. He paid for this whole trip. He's just
such a great human. Listen, it's his last year in
the league. Let's celebrate the greatness of Aaron Rodgers. Let's
be positive about this. I'll let you handle that. I'll tackle.
I'll tackle the negative.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
I am not looking forward to the Steelers this season.
Final story cal that's the NBA, of course, and Lebron James.
You say he's supposed to decide in the next forty
eight hours.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
That's fascinating.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
It's the Calves, Sixers and heat with the Warriors and
Draymond Green making a pitch. Here's Draymond on his pitch
to Lebron.
Speaker 9 (26:54):
I'd be remissed if I don't take the opportunity to
throw my pitch in there. You know, I'd be crazy
if we're together for X amount of days and at
no point in my like, yo, we need to chop
it up, like what the hell going on? Was what
we're doing? The things that I shared in it. I
(27:15):
believe it definitely is going to make the brain work
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, you should make the pitch. And I do think
there are positives to Cleveland. It's not the basketball part.
It's the fact that it's home. There's a positive to
the Warriors. He's really close with Draymond Green loves Steph Curry.
Steve Curry respects that. And then there's the positive with Philadelphia,
which is it's by far and away the best group
of young players that can protect Lebron's age. They're durable,
(27:46):
they play defense. I mean when you get older, right
as a as a pro athlete. When Tom Brady chose Tampa,
they had young athletic offensive linemen, they had young tight ends.
They had. He went and brought Gronk, but they had
Chris Godwin, they had Mike Evans. Brady was very smart.
Brady's like, I'm choosing as I age, age equals wisdom.
(28:10):
I'm going to choose players to elevate me. Maybe maybe
you know, I've got some weak spots as I've aged.
It was a new conference, it's a new coach. It's like,
I want to bring in Gronk. Gronk helps me with familiarity.
I want to bring in a veteran running back. Lenny
Fernett helps me with some familiarity, an older player. So
I think when you're an older player and you look
(28:32):
at it, you think, what what what are my limitations?
Lebron's like, I'm not playing the same defense. I used
to em beads a rim protector. Jalen Brown defense Edgecomb's
a good defender. So I think Lebron looks at that
and thinks, oh, that checks some boxes. I really think
Golden State's fun in Cleveland's home. I think Philadelphia buy
a mile. I don't think he'll choose the Sixers, but
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I think it's easily the best situation for him.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
So we've known this for about a month that the
only way the Warriors happens is if Rich Paul can
convince Golden State to trade for Anthony Davis and then
pay him. That's what's holding this up. Essentially. Hey, guys,
come on, you want Anthony Davis, you want to pay him,
and then you get Lebron. Now Lebron ad Draymond Curry
Porzingis that's actually not terrible. But without a d who's
(29:19):
the room protector in Golden State?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
They have no defense, you know.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
Now, I did see some comments about your Sixers thing that,
and I don't know how accurate they are, But Lebron
don't want to play with Joel Embiid because he's always
hurt and you know, he's a little bit of an egomaniac.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Would the Sixers move off Embad? I wish they would.
I don't think anybody would take the contract.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
That's the problem, So I keep falling back on Cleveland.
I think it'll be the Cavs. I do like that
he's stretching this out, though, Colin. If he wants to
wait till next week, that works too, Like what's the
rush Lebron?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
You know, good content. Jmack with the news.
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We're onto the semifinals of the FIFA World Cup tomorrow,
Killianbape and a dominant French team take on the reigning
Kings of Europe rival Spain. Kick off is right after
The Herd tomorrow on Fox.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
So I think it was about a year ago or so.
I forget exactly when it was, but Adam Silver came
on our show, The Herd. And I've had Roger Goodell
and Rob Manfred, I've had Don Garber, I've had all
the commissioners except for the WNBA commissioner. I don't think
I've ever had Gary Bettman on. But when I had
Adam Silver on, I asked him about the three point
shot getting too repetitive. I asked him about load management,
(36:30):
I asked him about tanking, and he was great, and
he answered all of them with a smile, and we
went back and forth. And that's what being a commissioner
is all about. Otherwise, you know, it'd be just I.
We would work for the NBA. But Silver didn't have
to come on Fox. We don't have a contract with him.
I mean, that's some other network. He didn't have to
(36:51):
come on this. But he knows I liked the NBA.
And he never asked what questions I would ask. He
didn't care. And he was great. He was unbelievable. One
of my favorite twenty minutes I've had on the air.
I would love to have Adam Silver every year. He's
a super smart guy. He's totally monetized the league. So
the WNBA has stepped it in a lot and a
lot of people myself included, have been critical. So Dan Patrick,
(37:13):
you know Dan Patrick. He had scheduled his staff, good staff.
They had scheduled Kathy Engelbert, the commissioner of the WNBA.
Now all of us in this business, have people bail
on us? I've lost people. You know, some people get busy,
they forget whatever, or they just don't want to do it.
Commissioners should not bail on schedule interviews. I mean that
(37:35):
part of being a commissioner is being responsible and taking
tough questions. So Kathy Engelbert, the Dan Patrick staff booked
her and she bailed and apparently I didn't see it,
but was you know, one hundred yards off just playing golf.
That would add to it. So Dan Patrick went on
the air and he was very upset about it.
Speaker 17 (37:55):
We're just trying to be a journalist here, that's all.
We're just trying to ask questions, but don't say yes.
And then all of a sudden somebody probably said, in
my opinion, ooh, maybe.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
We shouldn't do this.
Speaker 17 (38:08):
Well, at some point you have to do this. This
is an important league. There's expansion, there's conversation, it's been agendaized.
Everybody has something to say about it. Now you have
a chance to answer these questions.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I think that is a totally reasonable response. Dan's been
doing this for one hundred years. He does a great job.
He's a total pro. He was upset and voiced it.
When you're doing a three hour radio show live. We
don't have a copy editor in this business. We don't
have tape editors. You go on the air live. If
you emote because you're upset, I want to hear about it.
That's good broadcasting to me. He has every right to
(38:46):
have that opinion. And he has a very good staff,
and guy's been around forever, and commissioners don't bail on interviews,
just don't do it. So it's interesting because I was
watching the WNBA yesterday and I thought about this yesterday
and I watched ABA game and I got to tell
you the product. It was in Dallas, very good TV,
very good energy. And here's the thing. And I was thinking,
(39:07):
why is the WNBA just keep stepping in it. I
can keep bashing them, but why And I came to
the conclusion that there's all these leagues, they all have owners,
they all have commissioners, they're all covered by the media.
Since Caitlin Clark has arrived, the WNBA has exploded. They're
now flying private. They've introduced three new teams. The Golden
(39:29):
State Valkyries have a billion dollar valuation. They're drawing like
twenty thousand a night, the Portland Fire home run, Toronto
Tempo home run. You got three new franchises. That takes
a lot of work. You have a superstar in the league.
(39:51):
That takes a lot of work. The other night Toronto
played Montreal. They had like twenty thousand people at the game.
You got posters now that even create controversy. You have
exploding revenue, exploding attendance, massive star powering Caitlin Clark, very
strong growth, and I think all of it is it's
a little too much for them to handle. It's like
(40:14):
any business listening, anybody listening to me that owns a business,
is that part of the problem of hyper growth as
a business, any business, it's just getting your damn arms
around it. And they have stepped in it so many times.
And they beat hockey now the NHL and ratings, Kaitlin
Clark is as well known as almost any Hawkers hockey star.
(40:35):
Maybe that's not even arguab maybe it's by a lot.
She sells merchandise, she moves TV ratings. There's nobody in
hockey doing that. And hockey's a legit sport, like one
of the Big four. So you've got bigger arenas, bigger attendants,
bigger revenue, different travel, superstar, massive media criticism. They can't
get their arms around it. Like and if Gordon Ramsay
(40:55):
opens a restaurant in London and it tanks, it makes
the newspapers, it's talked about. If your buddy Joe opens
a restaurant west side of Chicago in tanks, nobody cares.
That's the downside of popularity. It is a privilege to
be criticized. It is a privilege to deal with pressure.
And I'm just thinking about it this weekend. I'm like, God,
(41:16):
they keep stepping in it. It's not like they're a
bunch of dummies. I think they have such hyper growth
they can't get their arms around it. It is surging.
It would be like if you if a Caitlin Clark
level hockey star was introduced and literally tripled the ratings
for the league, and you opened up three new, very
successful franchises over a one two year period, you change
(41:40):
the way you travel. You're now talked about regularly. We
don't talk NHL much. You're now talked about regularly. And
you got executives, you know, trying to put a fence
around it, and a commissioner trying to put a fence
around it. And I think they've grown so fast. It
is like any business that is surging quickly over a
two year period. And you know, I, you know, I'd
(42:04):
love to have any commissioner on if Batman called tomorrow
and had something, I'd ask him questions about hockey. But
you know, it's it is almost and I'm not defending
the WNBA here or Kathy Engelberg. It's almost a predictable outcome.
It's like somebody is listening to my show right now, man, woman,
they're watching me. They're listening, and they own a business
(42:26):
and the business is going really well and it's surging.
And somebody told me years ago when I started the volume,
they said, you want to know what ownership and management
really is putting out small fires so they don't become infernos.
Because every day with a new business, especially if it's
growing quickly, every day there's a fire, you don't want
(42:47):
the campfire to spread to the tents and the trees
fifteen feet away. And they just haven't done a very
good job to put out their fires. So people want success,
they're they're not. I was prepared for the success they
get and I'm not defending anybody, but they have stuffed
that at so many times. This is just another example
(43:09):
of they got a little bit paranoid. I said this
a couple of weeks ago. The league's a little paranoid.
It's a little insular. The quality of the plays good
Page Becker, Star, Caitlin Starr, They've got a Jo Wilson's
and they're Michael Jordan, an unbelievable talent they've got. I'm
sitting there and watching that game, I think yesterday, and
I was just going around the television. There was no
World Cup games, couldn't find a good baseball game, so
(43:31):
I'm going around a TV and the WNBA game was excellent,
like there was in Dallas. They had looked like they
had thirteen, fourteen, fifteen thousand people. There was great energy
jumped off the TV. And I was like, oh, this
is good TV. And I was doing stuff on the computer,
so I wasn't paying full attention to it. There was
a Summer League game. The WNBA game had more energy.
I was like, this is kind of interesting. So something
(43:53):
else that I that, Well, okay, I'll just I'm going
to save this for the top of the hour. There's
been a lot of different stuff happening this weekend. It
was so funny. One of the things, you know, how
like when the Patriots were winning in Belichick was grumpy
and when Alabama would win a national title and the
next day Sabin was grumpy and the Spurs were dominating,
(44:15):
but Popovich was grumpy. That's called standards. Can I just play?
Can I just play? The one bite? This is the
England manager after winning a World Cup game in one
hundred and seven degree heat over Norway.
Speaker 18 (44:32):
The commitment is say, but we made life very very
difficult fast and the way we played, how we played slopping,
a lot of technical mistakes, not fast enough, not repetitive enough.
We were lucky today. There's no mentality problem. This is
pure mentality. This is pure mentality. You can bottle it
(44:52):
up and sell it this. Yeah, So why is the
prime for mentality? It's equality of our games.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Now. My take is the interviewer didn't ask him about
the heat. To me, the heat was a huge issue.
England and Norway do not play in that level of
heat and that intensity in that stage. So I think
it got sloppy. But I love the fact it's called standards.
That's Belichick. After winning like an AFC championship, he'd go
(45:23):
on and be like, you know, we're just lucky we won.
And you know, he was like, I mean, how many
times did Belichick do that? My gut, he must have
done it one hundred times during the Dynasty complain after
a huge win and Saban Saban won in a national championship,
people would compliment Alabama and he'd be like, that's rat poison.
(45:44):
Compliment to rat poison. I tell my guys, don't drink
rat poison. You're like, you just want a Natty when
your second and three years. Nick Belichick's famous for saying
no days off after winning a Super Bowl. So just
to watch the British manager go out and he was
just totally disgusted by the before. But so I'm like,
(46:04):
they got their Saban, they got their Popovitch. That's Dan
Hurley at Yukon after getting into the final four. You like,
that's what coaching is. Standards. Sean Paytonohas says the best
time to coach is when you win but play poorly.
He goes, man, I can really beat on the team
after that. That's a great week in coaching,
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