August 12, 2026 • 42 mins
Colin Cowherd reacts to BREAKING NBA NEWS: The Lakers are being sold for the second time in 14 months. Colin discusses the shocking news and why Luka Doncic finds himself at the center of turnover after LeBron James departed in free agency.
After the Vikings announced Kyler Murray as their starting QB, Colin makes the case for Murray as one of the most underrated players in the NFL right now.
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Just fourteen months after Mark Walter and his group bought
the Los Angeles Lakers from Genie Buss and the Bus family.
That was fourteen months ago. It has now been sold
about eighty percent of it a majority stake to Bob
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Iger who's been running Disney forever, and Josh Kushner for
twelve and a half billion dollars, So the Mark Walters
group made two point five billion dollars. He could be
in real, real trouble according to a federal investigation, so
he may need two point five billion dollars. I'm not
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going to speculate, but he didn't buy it to sell it.
He didn't think the Lakers were a high price condo
that he could flip, so he may just need the money.
And he made two point five billion very quickly. And
according to Ramona Shelburne, who I trust in these matters,
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this all came together in the last couple of days.
So congrats to Bob Iger, who I kind of know.
But without Lebron, the Lakers are not exactly Disneyland. It
is fascinating to consider how much of a stabilizing influence
Lebron was to the Lakers. Three years before they had Lebron,
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they had the worst record in the NBA. For you
accumulate three years, worst team in the NBA, Lakers, And
now two months after he leaves, they bail on him.
They've got a new owner and a little bit of
chaos upstairs. So and here's the thing about the Lakers
owning the Lakers. Do I think Bob Iiger and Kushner
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over paid for it? Absolutely. Iiger likes basketball, He's had
a relationship with ESPN and the NBA for years and
Adam Silver. In fact, the last time I saw Bob
at a game, he was with Adam Silver at a
Laker games. The last time I saw Bob at a
Laker game, so they're very, very close. And I'm sure
Adam Silver you know there's stuff going on behind the scenes,
a federal investigation with Mark Walters. He needs cash fast,
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That's the only thing you could guess, because they're not
giving up that cash cow called the Dodgers, which Walters
group primarily owns.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
We all know the Lakers overpaid for Austin Reeves because
they had to keep him, else he would have walked away.
They'd get nothing for him. And we know they overpaid
for Walker Kessler, which I understand because now with Wemby
you've got to have bigs and the Lakers just had
no size. But what I really think is interesting is
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did they overpay for Luca?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Hear me out on this.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
The Lakers did not make with Luca as their centerpiece
the opening night NBA TV schedule. Think about that they
would have with Lebron. So think about this. We view
Luca as generational. He is the centerpiece. Here come the trophies.
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Mark Cuban, a pretty smart businessman, sold the Mavericks with
lucas the centerpiece. Championship head coach Rick Carlyle quit. Year
three with Luca quit walked away. The Mavericks traded him.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
And not for a big package.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Genie Buss loved and still loves the Lakers sold the
team with Luca as the centerpiece. Mark Walters is selling
the team probably has to do with the FEDS and
the NBA bailed on the Lakers, who, for the first
time in eight years will not make the opening night
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TV schedule. That is hard to believe. I mean, they
that is crazy. So there's a pattern here, right, there's
a pattern. Just ask yourself, this be totally intellectually honest.
Luca's been in the NBA eight years. On Lebron's first
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eight years in the NBA, do you really think five
different people plus the NBA would bail on him.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Lebron left Cleveland twice. Both times they collapsed, and they
were begging him to come back for a third time
to Cleveland. I mean, he left him at the Altar twice.
They went into the tank both times. They wanted him
to back a third time. And they're not even bad now.
So and I'm we're all acknowledging that the Mark Walters
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sell is not something they planned. But I've said this
about Luca from day one. He's better than Carmelo Anthony,
but kind of the same. Atrocious defensively, never in great shape.
I never know if durability. I don't think he's gonna
play eighty two games in any season. He's been injured
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the last two, missed a ton of games. And by
the way, is he a great leader. I think he'll
try to be now, but at this point not really.
You've had five different successful people in the NBA kind
of bail on him. One of them appears to be explainable,
but Lebron usually bailed on you signs short contracts. There's
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like a Jennifer Lopez thing with Luca. The closer you get,
there's something going on behind the scenes that's chaotic. I
don't know what it is, but there is something going on.
The appearances look good from the outside. There's a lot
of turbulence. And again we know Austin Reeves, we know
Walker Kessler. You had to overpay. Understandable. I support both,
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but the really concerning thing is, here's your centerpiece, eight
years in the league, league not putting him on opening night.
Genie and another owner, sell Rick Carlisle quit Cuban cells.
I mean, Mark Cuban's a pretty smart guy. You could say, well,
it wasn't that Mark. Would Mark Cuban have sold the
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Mavericks if Lebron James was in year six? No way, absolutely,
no way. People are just too willing, too willing. And
I was thinking about this today because this is all
about Mark Walters needing money for the investigation. That seems
pretty obvious, but it got me thinking about the career,
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which I was guaranteed it was trophies. They stole them
from Dallas, and it's like, it's just for being so
iconic and generational and absolutely unbelievable. I got to tell you,
I think Iger and his group overpaid. The Seahawks went
for nine and a half. You can argue they have
the best GM in the league in his prime, the
best coach in the league, arguably after Sean mcvahin is prime.
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Sam Darnold just hoisted a trophy, heath for the next
five six years, is in his prime. And is there
a team in the NFL that has a better young
core of players than the Seattle Seahawks. The answer the
answer is no, or they're tied. So the Seahawks to
me at nine points. Bion in a much more popular
league feels almost like a bargain for the price Bob
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Eiger and Kushner paid. But again, Adam Silver Bob Iger
know each other, respect each other, been in business for
twenty five years together, or however long they've been at
that network. Nick Wright a few weeks ago said, go ahead,
bail on Lebron, But I don't trust it's going to
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be rosy with Luca as the centerpiece.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I mean, I don't trust the Lakers to be able
to build a team around Luca. They couldn't build a
team around Lebron.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Good luck, God bless Lakers.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
It's been.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
It was a good run with Lebron.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
He's saved your franchise and you want a championship.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
But I am not optimistic that.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
They are going like you said, Oh no, they won't
be better next year. Oh yeah, just punt another year
of Luka Doncich's prime. That's a great plan.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
We'll see. I don't believe in their plan.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, And increasingly durability has been huge concerns. So when
I saw this news today, I just kind of looked
on a macro level at Luca, Dantage and everybody's like, oh,
they overpaid for Austin and they overpaid for Walker Castler,
and I think they did, but I think they had to.
They'd backed themselves into a corner. And I understood them
moving off Lebron. I really did at this age. But
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it is interesting when you consider all of it with
Luke at the centerpiece. For what I've been told, he
is a lot of turbulence, a lot of team sales
and coaches leaving, and he gets traded and they didn't
get a lot for him. And you sit there as
a Laker fan right now and you're like, what is
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he I'm gonna get sixty two games, no defense leadership,
hopefully their ability forget it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I'm not anti Luca, I really not, but it's just
been a very interesting set of circumstances over the last
eight years of people moving off him. So you know,
people often say this, Hey, just report the facts, and
I'm going to take your advice on this. I think
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You're right. No more opinions on this show.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Just facts.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Well, at least for this rant.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Kyler Murray got named the starting quarterback over JJ McCarthy,
and there's this weird misconception about Kyler Murray that he's
no good. I just want to remind everybody factually, he
was the offensive rookie of the year with twenty four
touchdowns behind a battle line. He's been to multiple Pro Bowls.
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Just reporting facts led Arizona to the playoffs. Had a
passer rating one year, twenty twenty one over one hundred,
the only year he had ever had at least a
single one offensive lineman on the Pro Bowl. Cliff Kingsbury
was as head coach somebody who was fired by his
own alma mater. He has the fifth highest completion percentage
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in the history of the National Football League and the
division he was in. The Seahawks won a Super Bowl,
the Rams won a Super Bowl, and the Niners went
to two. So it was in that stretch the best
division in football. Oh, by the way, bottom five ownership.
And here's another gem. Do you realize since he entered
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the league he has more rushing touchdowns than Lamar Jackson,
the greatest athlete to ever play the position, more than
Lamar Beware of writing off quarterbacks who are knee deep
in team and organizational fund dysfunction. You rode off Darnold
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you're right off, Kyler Murray. This kid ownership down was
in a quagmire, quicksand of dysfunction. Let me add this.
His cap hit this year is one point three million.
He will make less than Dylan Gabriel. In the last
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twenty years, there has not been a player at that
position this productive for that price.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
He is free.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
He'll make less than Mac Jones, significantly less in terms
of a cappit less than Dylan Gabriel as a cap pit.
So they're your facts. I know the video game obsession.
He's not a great leader, but you know, we tend
to get entrenched on opinions based on very early comments.
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Sam Darnold Icy ghosts, Yeah, I saw the Jets. Kyler Murray,
I like video games. Yeah, I don't like Arizona's ownership.
So I'm just staying to the facts here. He was
named the starting quarterback yesterday of Minnesota, so dominant despite
the fact the other guys in camp, namely JJ McCarthy,
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had a two year leg up knowing the offense. This
guy wins the starting job before they got to the games,
before they got to the intense scrimmages.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Here's his head coach yesterday.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
We gave the guys different challenges on different days, you know,
while letting them you know, kind of compete at the
same stride early on in camps. It's been a true competition,
and we feel like we're at a place, you know,
where we've made a complete evaluation.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
We'll move forward.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Kyler will begin, you know, the process of really looking
at things now as our starter. We'll still be getting
JJ a lot of work, a lot of reps because
it's very important that his you know, development and ongoing
growth and arrow up that we feel very positively about continues.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
All right.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So the lead story today, fourteen months after buying the Lakers,
Mark Walters, the Dodgers owner, is selling them to A
Kushner and Bob Eiger, who's the chair and the guy
running Disney for most of the last twenty five years.
Iiger's a big basketball fans, you know, kids played basketball
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growing up. Bob loves the NBA. He knows Adam Silvery's
been in business. Obviously. Disney owns ESPN of the NBA
for a long time. I think it's a really really
good ownership guy in Iiger. That's good for the NBA,
that's a good, strong ethical owner of the NBA. I
am in no means blaming Luca for the Mark Walter situation,
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but it is fascinating how stabilizing Lebron has been for
the Lakers before he got there.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Has Matt spill?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Now he leaves and immediately two months later, What in
the name of heavy turbulence on this flight is going on?
So John Middlcoff joining us today, got to say, from
time to time, you get a curveball throw. I met
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you thirty five forty five minutes before the show, did
not see this was coming. And again Ramona Shelburne saying
this came to pass and to a conclusion in the
last couple of days.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
I feel like sports teams don't usually get flipped like
a Chevy Tahoe, you know, every six months. I thought,
once you buy it, you typically hold on to it,
especially a premium brand.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
So yeah, I mean shocking news.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (16:40):
Listen, Rich guys know things that you and I don't.
According to the reporting, this just came out in the
last thirty minutes that the Bob Iger Kushner group called
Mark Walter as recently as Sunday and asked if he'd
consider selling and that's when the discussion started so Iiger
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and Kushner. Obviously they can read the federal investigation into
Mark Walter and his group. I don't know what's going
to happen, but the answer would have been absolutely not
in my opinion at that situation not been going on.
So and Iiger and his guy Kushner, they were in
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on the Vegas expansion team. That's where they were going.
So and obviously the Laker brand. You know, I've been
saying this for years, just the safest place for billionaires
to park their money is not in Wall Street, is
not in real estate. It's in hard assets. Like American
professional sports teams. The smartest guys owned teams in the
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English Premier League and the NBA and the NFL Major
League Baseball. You don't know if Google's going to exist
in twenty years or Meta is going to exist. The Yankees, Liverpool,
Manchester United, and the Lakers are going nowhere.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
That's the smart money.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It's going to own NFL, NBA Baseball teams, and English
Premier League teams. That stuff isn't going to disappear.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Into the ether.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
You don't know what's happened in the Navidia in the
last five years. You have no idea the teams, and
you know, at the top of our sports landscape, I
mean there's changes made in college weekly and not that
many changes in pro sports in America. Rich guys own teams,
and the teams don't dissolve. They move occasionally from Saint
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Louis to LA from Oakland to Vegas, but they don't
disappear very often. So I'm watching hard Knocks with the Seahawks. Boy,
Mike McDonald is really impressive. The head coach is he's
Sean McVay defensive side. But I was sitting there watching
this episode of it, and maybe it's the geography that
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the Seahawks are buried up in the corner of the
Pacific Northwest. Maybe it's the fact that they don't have
a lot of veteran star players. They're a very young team.
But I honestly believe even Vegas has the Baltimore Ravens,
an eight and nine team last year with better Super
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Bowl odds than the Seahawks. Nobody thinks they can repeat.
It was a one off, no way donald will play
mistake free playoff football again. Things went in their favor. No,
actually they did not go in their favorite. All the
opposite is true. Sam Darnold goes to arguably the best
division in football, has a new coach, a new coordinator,
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a new O line, a bad O line, and a
new receiving corps JSN. Well, we didn't know if he
was at number one, and again the offensive line was
I think they were ranked like thirtieth. They were a
bad offensive line. They needed a rookie Gray's Abel to
shore up their offensive line. The three best records in
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the NFC ended up last year all being in the
NFC West, and they had to play the Rams, Stafford
and McVeigh three times and Kyle Shanahan and the physical
Niners three times. So Darnold four teams four years for
the first time in years, same head coach, same locker room,
same culture, same city, same house. Now he's married, same
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number one receiver, same offensive line.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
That kind of continuity to me seems like.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
A huge benefit.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
But literally, the eight to nine Ravens last year with
a rookie head coach, having lost their best offensive lineman
and Lamar Jackson did not look like Lamar Jackson last year.
He's a slower version for a guy who's dependent on
his legs have better.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Super Bowl odds.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
The other thing about Seattle, they're not aging out of this.
They're older players, don't get hurt much. Leonard Williams, DeMarcus Lawrence,
Charles Cross, and their best players are all young and
getting better. Devin Witherspoon, JSN start looking at their young players,
Brian Murphy, Nicki Minwarrior, Gray's Abel. So they're young players,
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are all just going into their prime, and their Pro
Bowl level excellent. Their old guys are healthy. Donald's a
young twenty nine, never had a lot of injuries. They
have the best GM arguably, the best defensive coach, arguably,
the best receiver arguably, and over the last two years
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they've been fifteen to two.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
On the road. They're the best home team without an argument.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
And yet they're kind of considered and they're not really mentioned.
People are like oh Rams in their own division. They're
not the Super Bowl favorites. And I'm watching them like
they're young players are all just moving into their prime.
Their cap situation's good. Donald's still young, they're old guys,
don't get hurt. Leonard Williams is always available. Charles Cross
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had a couple of injured weeks, he's good, DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I mean, it looks better than you needed four years ago.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
But I think Donald, to a large degree, there's so
many doubters on him that Matt Hasselbeck talked about why
why he's still under the radar.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
One of the reasons that he doesn't get a lot
of respect is that he played the style of play
to win football games, to hoist a Lombardi. So much
of the year he was playing safe and conservative because
he knew he had the legion, you know, the dark
side defense on the other side. Now, in the NFC
Championship game, he played a completely different style, showed that
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he could he cut it loose. Him and Matthew Stafford
almost a thousand yards of offense in that game.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
So he's capable of it.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
But what I think his best quality is right now
is coachability. Mike McDonald set the vision for how we're
going to play offensively, and he bought into it.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah. Yeah, we always say this.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
We use manage the game a lot with quarterbacks and
like Donald smartly pulled back, it's like, you know what,
I'm not going to take that two or three throw
risk I do a game. I'm gonna pull back on
that played air free football in the playoffs and the
super Bowl and hoisted a trophy. But it's I mean,
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it's people think Kansas City that doesn't have nearly the
roster of Seattle. If you said chief super Bowl, Yeah, Ravens,
super Bowl, Vegas loves them. Seattle not even the best
Super Bowl adds in their division.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I don't know. Maybe it's the geography. John Middlelkoff of the.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
News, No, no, turn on the news. This is the
Herdline News.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Well, I'll tell you the geography when you watch Hard
Knocks their practice facility with.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
The water in the battle God.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I mean the forty nine ers are playing at Cherinobyle
and they're playing on the I mean it is on
a sunny day in the Pacific Northwest, absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Speaking of another beautiful place, Chicago.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
After a devastating loss of the Rams last year in
the divisional round, the bears of high expectations in year two,
Ben Johnson just did along one of those feature articles
on the Athletic and one quote he gave that I
think is going to make the rounds is our goal
is to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I want more than that.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
I want to have the highest scoring offense ever. And
when you look at the highest scoring offenses of all time,
you get teams like the Rams, the greatest show on turf.
You get the Broncos and the Patriots. I guess the
Rams was nineteen fifty, but the Broncos and the Patriots
had a couple quarterbacks named Peyton Manning and Tom Brady
score a lot of points. I do think my first
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reaction was outside, cold weather might be kind of difficult,
but the Patriots and the Broncos kind of proved that
if you got Tom Brady or Peyton Manning there is
no ceiling.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, the majority remember this.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
They're going to play indoors at Detroit indoors when you
play Minnesota. And the other thing is September and October
and Chicago were not a factor. It doesn't really really
get inclement until usually about Thanksgiving on. Chicago last three
years has had less snow. It's cold here, but the
NFL's always been. I mean, most of your dynasties Kansas City,
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New England have been in equally cold weather from December
third on. So I don't think it's that you know,
you're inside of a stadium you're not on the lake
in a member's only jacket. You are covered a little
by the stadium.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
True.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
And you know, last year, I think they had the
ninth scoring offense. Even this year, you know, Burden's a
little banged up heading into the season. I think to
reach that goal one day, wouldn't you say? They're probably
Caleb's like fifth sixth year once they really build this
thing up over a couple of years. Like, I'd be
stunned if they have the number one offense in the
league this year.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I think they're one of five teams that I would
call electric offensively. I think the Rams fall into that.
I think I think the Lions fall into that. I
think their skilled people are great. I push I think
Dallas can be electric. I think Chicago can. I don't
know if i'd call Seattle electric because they love to
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run the football. They just drafted another running back late
in the first round. Seattle can be, but they're really
built on defense, toughness and kind of running the football
and play action pass with Darnold. But I think they're
about five offenses that I would go, yeah, that's electric.
I thought Baltimore was for years, but I don't really
put them. Linderbaum's gone, Lamar did not look like the
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same quarterback. Denver scores points. I think they're inconsistent, they're
not electric. Philadelphia has got talent, but they're hit and miss.
They're incredibly half to half streaky. So I do think
Chicago's in a short list five teams that is consistently
dynamic offensively.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Do you think when you look at the Patrioto seventeen
Randy Moss scored, I think like twenty four touchdowns last
season alone, right, and they got Welker who was very motivated.
That Broncos team you had paid Manning, he had just
been cut, so he was extremely motivated, motivated.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Ad Damarius Thomas, Julius Thomas.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
You know, I think the Bears probably need Swift's a
good running back. But over the I would imagine they'll
hit on a running back over the next couple of
years in the draft and that could really elevate them,
kind of get a multipurpose player. The values for the teams,
you know, the Lakers just sold, but the you know,
I think Sportico they released their annual. This is what
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the Cowboys are worth. This these NFL teams. Colin Cowboys
fifteen point five, Rams twelve, Giants, Jets both at ten three,
the Giants at twelve, the Patriots are ten to four.
Last weekend, I was in Newport Beach and you know,
you walk around on the bluffs and you type in
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how much.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Is this house house worth? You know on Zillow or
red fin.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Yeah, those are kind of fake estimates because if I
knocked on the door and offered that number, they'd probably
tell me to kick rocks. So the number is dramatically
higher than whatever the estimated number is.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Isn't that the case?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Like, what are the cow Boy's actually worth? Well?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I remember when Steve Balmer paid two billion for the
Clippers and people went what And my take was he
paid cash. So if you're paying a banknote two becomes
three point five. He paid cash and he was never
going to sell it. So like like what if you're
flipping something, you're flipping homes, you're looking it's all about
the buy, right, It's all about what's the number you
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get it for. The Rams are twelve point seven billion.
Soul finds the best stadium in the league. If you're
worth forty billion dollars and you want to own let's
you know, because most of these owners don't owe all
of it they own. Like even Mark Cuban owned like
fifty five percent of the Mavericks. So let's say, you know,
Cronky wants to sell some of it or only own
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fifty five percent. I think the valuation of all these
teams do you have, like like why did the Rams
leave Saint Louis because of the valuation of the franchise?
The Saint Louis Cardinals, it used to be a baseball town.
They're in the bottom third of the league. The Saint
Louis business community has died over the last thirty years.
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LA didn't have a pro football team. Of course you moved.
There's there's a reason Oakland keeps losing baseball NFL Warriors moved.
I mean the rea Portland could be in trouble because
that city has got real dire economic outlooks. The reality is,
if you Dallas, Texas economy, New York economy, Los Angeles economy,
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Florida economy. To me, if I had forty billion dollars,
you pay what you got to pay to own the franchise.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Well, you know, you bring up Vegas.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
They were a team you listed all those big markets,
including Miami. Vegas is now a top ten team on
the valuation, and you go, well, anyone that's been to
that stadium, you go, yeah, makes a lot of sense.
You could say one of the you know, kronkey that
moves to old brainer, the Vegas move looking back, I mean,
change the course of that franchise big time. The Eagles,
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they're implementing an entirely new offense. Sean Mannion kind of
implementing the McVeigh Shanahan under center offensive scheme.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And here's Jalen Hurts on the new operation.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
I like to think of the term calibrating. This is
a time where we're kind of putting it together and
finding out who we are. I think it's been very
good to be able to compete against the defense who
has a built and set identity for who they are,
and then obviously us on this same We've got a
lot of new pieces, a lot of new I mean
entirely new approach and mo philosophy to our offense, and
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so been able to put that together and make it
our own.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I'm excited about where we are.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
It's your guy in the podium.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
He is as good as anybody he has supplanted Dak
as the greatest quarterback ever at the podium, Brady was great.
Dak leapfrog them, Jalen leap frog Dak. People say it's
a lot of cliches.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I want cliches.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I want my quarterback to spit out his version of
keep it safe. Be what they used to call in
Vegas a cooler slow down, the hot slow down, the
hot gambler slow down, put the fire out. I mean,
Baker Mayfield has had a nice career, but good god,
was he like Kerosene? Like, Bro, you're the quarterback. It's
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wins that you have a big bank sponsor. Hat on straight,
bring down the temperature in the room. That's my kind
of guy.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, I gotta give Nick right credit. I'm gonna steal
his take.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
There is no team with the bigger variance than the Eagles,
and the defense we know is going to be really good.
Fangiosa layers that defense. You gave that defense to the Bills,
they'd walk right.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
To the super Bowl. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
But offensively, you could tell me all of a sudden
they're back top five offense. You could tell me they
lead the league in three and ounce again. I mean
it's everything's on the table, and that's why they are
consistently one of the most polarizing teams in the NFL
because you just never know what you're gonna get. In Philadelphia,
that place can get angry, and they get angry quick.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
John Middlecough with the news, Well, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News. Hey, listen,
we're going to bring Darren ravel on. He's a business guy,
a sports business reporter. On the Lakers being resold fourteen
months after they were purchased by Mark Walters and the
Dodgers ownership group in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
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Speaker 2 (32:25):
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Speaker 1 (32:31):
I always think advice is overrated. Anybody ever come up
to you. You're very successful in what you do, and
some mom comes up and says, oh, my daughter or
son they want to do what you do. Could you
give them advice? Work hard, keep your head down, be tough, relentless.
I mean, I don't know what you say. Nine of
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the eighteen quarterbacks drafted in the top twenty in the
last six years have lost their jobs and a lot
of people react.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Into that on the Internet, saying.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
The NFL has a developmental problem. Now the nine quarterbacks
who've lost their job, Michael Pennix, JJ McCarthy, Anthony Richardson,
Kenny Pickett, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Mac Jones,
Tua the nine quarterbacks had a can't stay healthy issue
or a not as promising as we thought problem.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Maybe both.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Development matters to some degree, but it's always been overstated.
I don't care if you're a comedian, a comedy writer,
a politician into tech, or a sportscaster or a talk
show host. Mentors can help guide you a little, but
when the red light comes on or the mic goes
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on and you got to make that stump speech or
be funny on stage, it's really on you.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Do you have it? You know?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
A lot of it is a lot of success. I
think I said this a year ago, is just overcoming failure.
Emotional toughness. You don't get bitter. Sam Donald could have
been bitter in New York, bitter in Carolina, bitter when
he went to the Niners behind brock Perty, he was
never bitter. Everybody likes him. You can't find a bad
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word in the NFL about Sam Donald. Even the team's
Minnesota still likes him. San Francisco likes him, Seattle loves him.
McVeigh likes him. People in New York liked him. He
never got bitter. So their thing quarterback is hard. The
dropout rate among Navy Seals per class is seventy five
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to eighty percent. It's designed to be difficult, yet they
want you to be hardened. And that's mostly NFL quarterback
Matt Stafford had to go through thirteen years in Detroit.
Aaron Goff got to a super Bowl, then his coach
bailed on him. Justin Herbert finally gets Harbaugh. And now
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finally he has Harbaugh and what's considered top of the
class offensive coordinator Mahomes is off an injury. Josh Allen
can't get to a Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson now it
looks like he's slower. It's like Navy Seals. It's not
meant to be easy. You got to be super talented,
can't get better, You're gonna have turbulence. You may not
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get the greatest coach, and you got to take the coaching.
Here's what I know about Caleb Williams. He had one
major issue. He was getting sacked too much. It literally
he cut seventy percent out of it with mostly the
same offensive line. It's like, Okay, that's a guy that's coachable.
I mean, he's got to get more accurate. I've only
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been to one practice. I watched it for two hours Sunday.
He is absolutely more accurate. You know, you got to
take the coaching. You're gonna get crapped on. You're gonna
fail this whole thing about development.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Eh.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Now, Michael Pennix, of all those nine quarterbacks who lost
their jobs, Pennix is the one I really liked. And
he's only had twelve starts, so we don't know. I
really liked him, and I did say, you know, Justin Fields,
I thought was tall, a good kid, Teammates liked him,
had a whip for an arm. I just don't think
he saw the field particularly well. And I thought my
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gut feeling was San Francisco and Kyle Shanahan. They figure
out every other quarterback, they'd make Trey Lance work. It
didn't work. He was athletic, but not athletic enough. And
he just has like a mechanical flaw with his throwing motion.
But most of those guys. You weren't a big Mac
Jones fan. You weren't a huge too a fan. He
was small and hurt in college. You were not a
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j I mean the JJ, McCarthy, Zach Wilson. You guys
all loved him. So I don't buy it's a developmental issue.
The bottom line is Joe Burrow inherited a coach nobody
liked and a bad old line, and he and got hurt.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
But you knew early.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah he's got it, whatever it is, he's got it.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Bad coaches, people fired, atrocious old lines, bad special teams,
rookie year sets an NFL touchdown rookie quarterback record. Yeah,
he's got it. I don't know if you'll in super Bowls.
He's got it. Harbaugh took that job for one reason,
justin Herbert. Mike McDaniel OC took the job for one reason.
It wasn't Harball, it was Herbert. You can like Jim Harbaugh.
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If he's got an average quarterback, you're not moving across country.
So I think all this stuff. There's two things I
hear about quarterbacks all the time. I hear this about
quarterbacks all the time. Number One, is you never know
where you're going to find him.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
First round fourteen playoff quarterbacks last year twelve. We're drafted
in the first round. Stop clinging on to Tom Brady
in the sixth round. That's where you find your quarterbacks,
overwhelmingly first round. The second thing I hear is, boy,
the NFL cannot develop that position.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah they can.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
The really special guys eventually get the right coach, the
right oc, the right protection, and the right weapons. Sam
Darnold y'all quit on him. Was eventually too tough, too coachable,
too athletic, too strong, too big, too tough. He was
eventually going to succeed.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Took him a while.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Not everybody's path is linear. It doesn't matter if you're
a politician, it doesn't matter if you're an insurance salesman
in the or pass. Depending on your childhood and your
parental support and your mentors and who drafts you. You know,
his stuff doesn't go straight line. It. I mean, Peyton
Manning wasn't a year four in the NFL. Led the
league picks like it's hard, maybe not Navy seal hard,
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it's hard. So you know, like JJ McCarthy was a
guy that apparently, and that's not going to work in Minnesota.
I was never a huge fan. I don't think he
was built for pro football because his college experience. He
didn't need to initiate really the wins or the offense.
And I think you have to, just like you go
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to college to prepare for your first couple of big jobs.
I think it was almost a disservice. How good Harbaugh,
the old line, the defensive front, the run game was.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I mean it was.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Michigan was a bully for his two years. Like they
were beating Ohio State. Ohio State doesn't lose much. Here's
Joel Klett on JJ McCarthy and how hard it is
to predict college quarterbacks and NFL success.
Speaker 10 (39:34):
It is almost impossible to accurately predict how a guy
is going to go in And do do we know
how it's going to work out for Nanda Mendoza.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
No? Do we know how it was going to work
out for Caleb Williams.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (39:47):
But he got Ben Johnson and it's like.
Speaker 10 (39:50):
Well, okay, well now it starts to look a little different,
doesn't it. I wish I knew how to predict this.
I thought McCarthy would work he has not, and that
doesn't mean that he's he's done in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
The other thing that it takes maturity, Like I'm never
to this day. I don't think Dak Prescott has a
top ten arm or top ten athletic ability.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
He's really smart, he's really mature.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Johnny manziel I thought had talent, but he was a
little small and a little immature and a lot immature.
So you know, it's whenever somebody comes up, oh my
kid wants to do what you do? What's your advice?
I mean a lot of it is were you a
good parent? Did you make them work? Do they have
a work ethic? Are they mature? Are they resilient when
they step in it? Can they get themselves out of it?
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Because nobody's path is easy. Peyton Manning number one high
school quarterback, number one college quarterback, number one pick. Four
years in he was the interception of machine. Matt Stafford,
number one high schooler, number great played as a freshman
at Georgia, number one pick. Unbelievable. They said he could
in high school have been had a better arm than
most NFL quarterbacks. Thirteen years with a Lion's and his
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head beat in like it, and Stafford to this day
is the last old quarterback in the NFL. He's the
last one that will sit in that pocket, take that
extra beat and take a helmet to the helmet to
complete a pass. A lot of guys they get older,
and I totally appreciate this and respect it. They're going
down or they're throwing that ball away. They're not taking
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the hit, and I respect that.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Stafford.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
You know, he'll just sit there and whatever the odometer was,
I'm staying there for that last beat and taking a
shot to the head.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
He doesn't care. And he's gotten banged up a few
times because of it. All Right.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
The Lakers fourteen months ago got purchased. Now they got
flipped Kushner. Bob Iiger, Yeah, that Bob Iger from Disney
now owns the Lakers.
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Just fourteen months after Mark Walter and his group bought
the Los Angeles Lakers from Genie Buss and the Bus family.
That was fourteen months ago. It has now been sold
about eighty percent of it a majority stake to Bob
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Iger who's been running Disney forever, and Josh Kushner for
twelve and a half billion dollars, So the Mark Walters
group made two point five billion dollars. He could be
in real, real trouble according to a federal investigation, so
he may need two point five billion dollars. I'm not
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going to speculate, but he didn't buy it to sell it.
He didn't think the Lakers were a high price condo
that he could flip, so he may just need the money.
And he made two point five billion very quickly. And
according to Ramona Shelburne, who I trust in these matters,
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this all came together in the last couple of days.
So congrats to Bob Iger, who I kind of know.
But without Lebron, the Lakers are not exactly Disneyland. It
is fascinating to consider how much of a stabilizing influence
Lebron was to the Lakers. Three years before they had Lebron,
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they had the worst record in the NBA. For you
accumulate three years, worst team in the NBA, Lakers, And
now two months after he leaves, they bail on him.
They've got a new owner and a little bit of
chaos upstairs. So and here's the thing about the Lakers
owning the Lakers. Do I think Bob Iiger and Kushner
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over paid for it? Absolutely. Iiger likes basketball, He's had
a relationship with ESPN and the NBA for years and
Adam Silver. In fact, the last time I saw Bob
at a game, he was with Adam Silver at a
Laker games. The last time I saw Bob at a
Laker game, so they're very, very close. And I'm sure
Adam Silver you know there's stuff going on behind the scenes,
a federal investigation with Mark Walters. He needs cash fast,
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That's the only thing you could guess, because they're not
giving up that cash cow called the Dodgers, which Walters
group primarily owns.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
We all know the Lakers overpaid for Austin Reeves because
they had to keep him, else he would have walked away.
They'd get nothing for him. And we know they overpaid
for Walker Kessler, which I understand because now with Wemby
you've got to have bigs and the Lakers just had
no size. But what I really think is interesting is
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did they overpay for Luca?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Hear me out on this.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
The Lakers did not make with Luca as their centerpiece
the opening night NBA TV schedule. Think about that they
would have with Lebron. So think about this. We view
Luca as generational. He is the centerpiece. Here come the trophies.
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Mark Cuban, a pretty smart businessman, sold the Mavericks with
lucas the centerpiece. Championship head coach Rick Carlyle quit. Year
three with Luca quit walked away. The Mavericks traded him.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
And not for a big package.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Genie Buss loved and still loves the Lakers sold the
team with Luca as the centerpiece. Mark Walters is selling
the team probably has to do with the FEDS and
the NBA bailed on the Lakers, who, for the first
time in eight years will not make the opening night
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TV schedule. That is hard to believe. I mean, they
that is crazy. So there's a pattern here, right, there's
a pattern. Just ask yourself, this be totally intellectually honest.
Luca's been in the NBA eight years. On Lebron's first
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eight years in the NBA, do you really think five
different people plus the NBA would bail on him.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Lebron left Cleveland twice. Both times they collapsed, and they
were begging him to come back for a third time
to Cleveland. I mean, he left him at the Altar twice.
They went into the tank both times. They wanted him
to back a third time. And they're not even bad now.
So and I'm we're all acknowledging that the Mark Walters
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sell is not something they planned. But I've said this
about Luca from day one. He's better than Carmelo Anthony,
but kind of the same. Atrocious defensively, never in great shape.
I never know if durability. I don't think he's gonna
play eighty two games in any season. He's been injured
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the last two, missed a ton of games. And by
the way, is he a great leader. I think he'll
try to be now, but at this point not really.
You've had five different successful people in the NBA kind
of bail on him. One of them appears to be explainable,
but Lebron usually bailed on you signs short contracts. There's
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like a Jennifer Lopez thing with Luca. The closer you get,
there's something going on behind the scenes that's chaotic. I
don't know what it is, but there is something going on.
The appearances look good from the outside. There's a lot
of turbulence. And again we know Austin Reeves, we know
Walker Kessler. You had to overpay. Understandable. I support both,
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but the really concerning thing is, here's your centerpiece, eight
years in the league, league not putting him on opening night.
Genie and another owner, sell Rick Carlisle quit Cuban cells.
I mean, Mark Cuban's a pretty smart guy. You could say, well,
it wasn't that Mark. Would Mark Cuban have sold the
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Mavericks if Lebron James was in year six? No way, absolutely,
no way. People are just too willing, too willing. And
I was thinking about this today because this is all
about Mark Walters needing money for the investigation. That seems
pretty obvious, but it got me thinking about the career,
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which I was guaranteed it was trophies. They stole them
from Dallas, and it's like, it's just for being so
iconic and generational and absolutely unbelievable. I got to tell you,
I think Iger and his group overpaid. The Seahawks went
for nine and a half. You can argue they have
the best GM in the league in his prime, the
best coach in the league, arguably after Sean mcvahin is prime.
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Sam Darnold just hoisted a trophy, heath for the next
five six years, is in his prime. And is there
a team in the NFL that has a better young
core of players than the Seattle Seahawks. The answer the
answer is no, or they're tied. So the Seahawks to
me at nine points. Bion in a much more popular
league feels almost like a bargain for the price Bob
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Eiger and Kushner paid. But again, Adam Silver Bob Iger
know each other, respect each other, been in business for
twenty five years together, or however long they've been at
that network. Nick Wright a few weeks ago said, go ahead,
bail on Lebron, But I don't trust it's going to
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be rosy with Luca as the centerpiece.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I mean, I don't trust the Lakers to be able
to build a team around Luca. They couldn't build a
team around Lebron.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Good luck, God bless Lakers.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
It's been.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
It was a good run with Lebron.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
He's saved your franchise and you want a championship.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
But I am not optimistic that.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
They are going like you said, Oh no, they won't
be better next year. Oh yeah, just punt another year
of Luka Doncich's prime. That's a great plan.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
We'll see. I don't believe in their plan.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, And increasingly durability has been huge concerns. So when
I saw this news today, I just kind of looked
on a macro level at Luca, Dantage and everybody's like, oh,
they overpaid for Austin and they overpaid for Walker Castler,
and I think they did, but I think they had to.
They'd backed themselves into a corner. And I understood them
moving off Lebron. I really did at this age. But
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it is interesting when you consider all of it with
Luke at the centerpiece. For what I've been told, he
is a lot of turbulence, a lot of team sales
and coaches leaving, and he gets traded and they didn't
get a lot for him. And you sit there as
a Laker fan right now and you're like, what is
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he I'm gonna get sixty two games, no defense leadership,
hopefully their ability forget it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I'm not anti Luca, I really not, but it's just
been a very interesting set of circumstances over the last
eight years of people moving off him. So you know,
people often say this, Hey, just report the facts, and
I'm going to take your advice on this. I think
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You're right. No more opinions on this show.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Just facts.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Well, at least for this rant.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Kyler Murray got named the starting quarterback over JJ McCarthy,
and there's this weird misconception about Kyler Murray that he's
no good. I just want to remind everybody factually, he
was the offensive rookie of the year with twenty four
touchdowns behind a battle line. He's been to multiple Pro Bowls.
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Just reporting facts led Arizona to the playoffs. Had a
passer rating one year, twenty twenty one over one hundred,
the only year he had ever had at least a
single one offensive lineman on the Pro Bowl. Cliff Kingsbury
was as head coach somebody who was fired by his
own alma mater. He has the fifth highest completion percentage
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in the history of the National Football League and the
division he was in. The Seahawks won a Super Bowl,
the Rams won a Super Bowl, and the Niners went
to two. So it was in that stretch the best
division in football. Oh, by the way, bottom five ownership.
And here's another gem. Do you realize since he entered
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the league he has more rushing touchdowns than Lamar Jackson,
the greatest athlete to ever play the position, more than
Lamar Beware of writing off quarterbacks who are knee deep
in team and organizational fund dysfunction. You rode off Darnold
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you're right off, Kyler Murray. This kid ownership down was
in a quagmire, quicksand of dysfunction. Let me add this.
His cap hit this year is one point three million.
He will make less than Dylan Gabriel. In the last
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twenty years, there has not been a player at that
position this productive for that price.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
He is free.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
He'll make less than Mac Jones, significantly less in terms
of a cappit less than Dylan Gabriel as a cap pit.
So they're your facts. I know the video game obsession.
He's not a great leader, but you know, we tend
to get entrenched on opinions based on very early comments.
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Sam Darnold Icy ghosts, Yeah, I saw the Jets. Kyler Murray,
I like video games. Yeah, I don't like Arizona's ownership.
So I'm just staying to the facts here. He was
named the starting quarterback yesterday of Minnesota, so dominant despite
the fact the other guys in camp, namely JJ McCarthy,
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had a two year leg up knowing the offense. This
guy wins the starting job before they got to the games,
before they got to the intense scrimmages.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Here's his head coach yesterday.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
We gave the guys different challenges on different days, you know,
while letting them you know, kind of compete at the
same stride early on in camps. It's been a true competition,
and we feel like we're at a place, you know,
where we've made a complete evaluation.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
We'll move forward.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Kyler will begin, you know, the process of really looking
at things now as our starter. We'll still be getting
JJ a lot of work, a lot of reps because
it's very important that his you know, development and ongoing
growth and arrow up that we feel very positively about continues.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
All right.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So the lead story today, fourteen months after buying the Lakers,
Mark Walters, the Dodgers owner, is selling them to A
Kushner and Bob Eiger, who's the chair and the guy
running Disney for most of the last twenty five years.
Iiger's a big basketball fans, you know, kids played basketball
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growing up. Bob loves the NBA. He knows Adam Silvery's
been in business. Obviously. Disney owns ESPN of the NBA
for a long time. I think it's a really really
good ownership guy in Iiger. That's good for the NBA,
that's a good, strong ethical owner of the NBA. I
am in no means blaming Luca for the Mark Walter situation,
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but it is fascinating how stabilizing Lebron has been for
the Lakers before he got there.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Has Matt spill?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Now he leaves and immediately two months later, What in
the name of heavy turbulence on this flight is going on?
So John Middlcoff joining us today, got to say, from
time to time, you get a curveball throw. I met
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you thirty five forty five minutes before the show, did
not see this was coming. And again Ramona Shelburne saying
this came to pass and to a conclusion in the
last couple of days.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
I feel like sports teams don't usually get flipped like
a Chevy Tahoe, you know, every six months. I thought,
once you buy it, you typically hold on to it,
especially a premium brand.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
So yeah, I mean shocking news.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
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Speaker 1 (16:40):
Listen, Rich guys know things that you and I don't.
According to the reporting, this just came out in the
last thirty minutes that the Bob Iger Kushner group called
Mark Walter as recently as Sunday and asked if he'd
consider selling and that's when the discussion started so Iiger
(17:00):
and Kushner. Obviously they can read the federal investigation into
Mark Walter and his group. I don't know what's going
to happen, but the answer would have been absolutely not
in my opinion at that situation not been going on.
So and Iiger and his guy Kushner, they were in
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on the Vegas expansion team. That's where they were going.
So and obviously the Laker brand. You know, I've been
saying this for years, just the safest place for billionaires
to park their money is not in Wall Street, is
not in real estate. It's in hard assets. Like American
professional sports teams. The smartest guys owned teams in the
(17:42):
English Premier League and the NBA and the NFL Major
League Baseball. You don't know if Google's going to exist
in twenty years or Meta is going to exist. The Yankees, Liverpool,
Manchester United, and the Lakers are going nowhere.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
That's the smart money.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It's going to own NFL, NBA Baseball teams, and English
Premier League teams. That stuff isn't going to disappear.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Into the ether.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
You don't know what's happened in the Navidia in the
last five years. You have no idea the teams, and
you know, at the top of our sports landscape, I
mean there's changes made in college weekly and not that
many changes in pro sports in America. Rich guys own teams,
and the teams don't dissolve. They move occasionally from Saint
(18:26):
Louis to LA from Oakland to Vegas, but they don't
disappear very often. So I'm watching hard Knocks with the Seahawks. Boy,
Mike McDonald is really impressive. The head coach is he's
Sean McVay defensive side. But I was sitting there watching
this episode of it, and maybe it's the geography that
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the Seahawks are buried up in the corner of the
Pacific Northwest. Maybe it's the fact that they don't have
a lot of veteran star players. They're a very young team.
But I honestly believe even Vegas has the Baltimore Ravens,
an eight and nine team last year with better Super
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Bowl odds than the Seahawks. Nobody thinks they can repeat.
It was a one off, no way donald will play
mistake free playoff football again. Things went in their favor. No,
actually they did not go in their favorite. All the
opposite is true. Sam Darnold goes to arguably the best
division in football, has a new coach, a new coordinator,
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a new O line, a bad O line, and a
new receiving corps JSN. Well, we didn't know if he
was at number one, and again the offensive line was
I think they were ranked like thirtieth. They were a
bad offensive line. They needed a rookie Gray's Abel to
shore up their offensive line. The three best records in
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the NFC ended up last year all being in the
NFC West, and they had to play the Rams, Stafford
and McVeigh three times and Kyle Shanahan and the physical
Niners three times. So Darnold four teams four years for
the first time in years, same head coach, same locker room,
same culture, same city, same house. Now he's married, same
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number one receiver, same offensive line.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
That kind of continuity to me seems like.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
A huge benefit.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
But literally, the eight to nine Ravens last year with
a rookie head coach, having lost their best offensive lineman
and Lamar Jackson did not look like Lamar Jackson last year.
He's a slower version for a guy who's dependent on
his legs have better.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Super Bowl odds.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
The other thing about Seattle, they're not aging out of this.
They're older players, don't get hurt much. Leonard Williams, DeMarcus Lawrence,
Charles Cross, and their best players are all young and
getting better. Devin Witherspoon, JSN start looking at their young players,
Brian Murphy, Nicki Minwarrior, Gray's Abel. So they're young players,
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are all just going into their prime, and their Pro
Bowl level excellent. Their old guys are healthy. Donald's a
young twenty nine, never had a lot of injuries. They
have the best GM arguably, the best defensive coach, arguably,
the best receiver arguably, and over the last two years
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they've been fifteen to two.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
On the road. They're the best home team without an argument.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
And yet they're kind of considered and they're not really mentioned.
People are like oh Rams in their own division. They're
not the Super Bowl favorites. And I'm watching them like
they're young players are all just moving into their prime.
Their cap situation's good. Donald's still young, they're old guys,
don't get hurt. Leonard Williams is always available. Charles Cross
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had a couple of injured weeks, he's good, DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I mean, it looks better than you needed four years ago.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
But I think Donald, to a large degree, there's so
many doubters on him that Matt Hasselbeck talked about why
why he's still under the radar.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
One of the reasons that he doesn't get a lot
of respect is that he played the style of play
to win football games, to hoist a Lombardi. So much
of the year he was playing safe and conservative because
he knew he had the legion, you know, the dark
side defense on the other side. Now, in the NFC
Championship game, he played a completely different style, showed that
(22:31):
he could he cut it loose. Him and Matthew Stafford
almost a thousand yards of offense in that game.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
So he's capable of it.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
But what I think his best quality is right now
is coachability. Mike McDonald set the vision for how we're
going to play offensively, and he bought into it.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah. Yeah, we always say this.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
We use manage the game a lot with quarterbacks and
like Donald smartly pulled back, it's like, you know what,
I'm not going to take that two or three throw
risk I do a game. I'm gonna pull back on
that played air free football in the playoffs and the
super Bowl and hoisted a trophy. But it's I mean,
(23:10):
it's people think Kansas City that doesn't have nearly the
roster of Seattle. If you said chief super Bowl, Yeah, Ravens,
super Bowl, Vegas loves them. Seattle not even the best
Super Bowl adds in their division.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I don't know. Maybe it's the geography. John Middlelkoff of the.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
News, No, no, turn on the news. This is the
Herdline News.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Well, I'll tell you the geography when you watch Hard
Knocks their practice facility with.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
The water in the battle God.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I mean the forty nine ers are playing at Cherinobyle
and they're playing on the I mean it is on
a sunny day in the Pacific Northwest, absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Speaking of another beautiful place, Chicago.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
After a devastating loss of the Rams last year in
the divisional round, the bears of high expectations in year two,
Ben Johnson just did along one of those feature articles
on the Athletic and one quote he gave that I
think is going to make the rounds is our goal
is to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I want more than that.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
I want to have the highest scoring offense ever. And
when you look at the highest scoring offenses of all time,
you get teams like the Rams, the greatest show on turf.
You get the Broncos and the Patriots. I guess the
Rams was nineteen fifty, but the Broncos and the Patriots
had a couple quarterbacks named Peyton Manning and Tom Brady
score a lot of points. I do think my first
(24:34):
reaction was outside, cold weather might be kind of difficult,
but the Patriots and the Broncos kind of proved that
if you got Tom Brady or Peyton Manning there is
no ceiling.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, the majority remember this.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
They're going to play indoors at Detroit indoors when you
play Minnesota. And the other thing is September and October
and Chicago were not a factor. It doesn't really really
get inclement until usually about Thanksgiving on. Chicago last three
years has had less snow. It's cold here, but the
NFL's always been. I mean, most of your dynasties Kansas City,
(25:07):
New England have been in equally cold weather from December
third on. So I don't think it's that you know,
you're inside of a stadium you're not on the lake
in a member's only jacket. You are covered a little
by the stadium.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
True.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
And you know, last year, I think they had the
ninth scoring offense. Even this year, you know, Burden's a
little banged up heading into the season. I think to
reach that goal one day, wouldn't you say? They're probably
Caleb's like fifth sixth year once they really build this
thing up over a couple of years. Like, I'd be
stunned if they have the number one offense in the
league this year.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I think they're one of five teams that I would
call electric offensively. I think the Rams fall into that.
I think I think the Lions fall into that. I
think their skilled people are great. I push I think
Dallas can be electric. I think Chicago can. I don't
know if i'd call Seattle electric because they love to
(26:05):
run the football. They just drafted another running back late
in the first round. Seattle can be, but they're really
built on defense, toughness and kind of running the football
and play action pass with Darnold. But I think they're
about five offenses that I would go, yeah, that's electric.
I thought Baltimore was for years, but I don't really
put them. Linderbaum's gone, Lamar did not look like the
(26:27):
same quarterback. Denver scores points. I think they're inconsistent, they're
not electric. Philadelphia has got talent, but they're hit and miss.
They're incredibly half to half streaky. So I do think
Chicago's in a short list five teams that is consistently
dynamic offensively.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Do you think when you look at the Patrioto seventeen
Randy Moss scored, I think like twenty four touchdowns last
season alone, right, and they got Welker who was very motivated.
That Broncos team you had paid Manning, he had just
been cut, so he was extremely motivated, motivated.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Ad Damarius Thomas, Julius Thomas.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
You know, I think the Bears probably need Swift's a
good running back. But over the I would imagine they'll
hit on a running back over the next couple of
years in the draft and that could really elevate them,
kind of get a multipurpose player. The values for the teams,
you know, the Lakers just sold, but the you know,
I think Sportico they released their annual. This is what
(27:23):
the Cowboys are worth. This these NFL teams. Colin Cowboys
fifteen point five, Rams twelve, Giants, Jets both at ten three,
the Giants at twelve, the Patriots are ten to four.
Last weekend, I was in Newport Beach and you know,
you walk around on the bluffs and you type in
(27:43):
how much.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Is this house house worth? You know on Zillow or
red fin.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Yeah, those are kind of fake estimates because if I
knocked on the door and offered that number, they'd probably
tell me to kick rocks. So the number is dramatically
higher than whatever the estimated number is.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Isn't that the case?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Like, what are the cow Boy's actually worth? Well?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I remember when Steve Balmer paid two billion for the
Clippers and people went what And my take was he
paid cash. So if you're paying a banknote two becomes
three point five. He paid cash and he was never
going to sell it. So like like what if you're
flipping something, you're flipping homes, you're looking it's all about
the buy, right, It's all about what's the number you
(28:22):
get it for. The Rams are twelve point seven billion.
Soul finds the best stadium in the league. If you're
worth forty billion dollars and you want to own let's
you know, because most of these owners don't owe all
of it they own. Like even Mark Cuban owned like
fifty five percent of the Mavericks. So let's say, you know,
Cronky wants to sell some of it or only own
(28:44):
fifty five percent. I think the valuation of all these
teams do you have, like like why did the Rams
leave Saint Louis because of the valuation of the franchise?
The Saint Louis Cardinals, it used to be a baseball town.
They're in the bottom third of the league. The Saint
Louis business community has died over the last thirty years.
(29:05):
LA didn't have a pro football team. Of course you moved.
There's there's a reason Oakland keeps losing baseball NFL Warriors moved.
I mean the rea Portland could be in trouble because
that city has got real dire economic outlooks. The reality is,
if you Dallas, Texas economy, New York economy, Los Angeles economy,
(29:26):
Florida economy. To me, if I had forty billion dollars,
you pay what you got to pay to own the franchise.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Well, you know, you bring up Vegas.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
They were a team you listed all those big markets,
including Miami. Vegas is now a top ten team on
the valuation, and you go, well, anyone that's been to
that stadium, you go, yeah, makes a lot of sense.
You could say one of the you know, kronkey that
moves to old brainer, the Vegas move looking back, I mean,
change the course of that franchise big time. The Eagles,
(29:56):
they're implementing an entirely new offense. Sean Mannion kind of
implementing the McVeigh Shanahan under center offensive scheme.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And here's Jalen Hurts on the new operation.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
I like to think of the term calibrating. This is
a time where we're kind of putting it together and
finding out who we are. I think it's been very
good to be able to compete against the defense who
has a built and set identity for who they are,
and then obviously us on this same We've got a
lot of new pieces, a lot of new I mean
entirely new approach and mo philosophy to our offense, and
(30:30):
so been able to put that together and make it
our own.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I'm excited about where we are.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
It's your guy in the podium.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
He is as good as anybody he has supplanted Dak
as the greatest quarterback ever at the podium, Brady was great.
Dak leapfrog them, Jalen leap frog Dak. People say it's
a lot of cliches.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I want cliches.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I want my quarterback to spit out his version of
keep it safe. Be what they used to call in
Vegas a cooler slow down, the hot slow down, the
hot gambler slow down, put the fire out. I mean,
Baker Mayfield has had a nice career, but good god,
was he like Kerosene? Like, Bro, you're the quarterback. It's
(31:16):
wins that you have a big bank sponsor. Hat on straight,
bring down the temperature in the room. That's my kind
of guy.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, I gotta give Nick right credit. I'm gonna steal
his take.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
There is no team with the bigger variance than the Eagles,
and the defense we know is going to be really good.
Fangiosa layers that defense. You gave that defense to the Bills,
they'd walk right.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
To the super Bowl. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
But offensively, you could tell me all of a sudden
they're back top five offense. You could tell me they
lead the league in three and ounce again. I mean
it's everything's on the table, and that's why they are
consistently one of the most polarizing teams in the NFL
because you just never know what you're gonna get. In Philadelphia,
that place can get angry, and they get angry quick.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
John Middlecough with the news, Well, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News. Hey, listen,
we're going to bring Darren ravel on. He's a business guy,
a sports business reporter. On the Lakers being resold fourteen
months after they were purchased by Mark Walters and the
Dodgers ownership group in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter nine em Pacific.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I always think advice is overrated. Anybody ever come up
to you. You're very successful in what you do, and
some mom comes up and says, oh, my daughter or
son they want to do what you do. Could you
give them advice? Work hard, keep your head down, be tough, relentless.
I mean, I don't know what you say. Nine of
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the eighteen quarterbacks drafted in the top twenty in the
last six years have lost their jobs and a lot
of people react.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Into that on the Internet, saying.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
The NFL has a developmental problem. Now the nine quarterbacks
who've lost their job, Michael Pennix, JJ McCarthy, Anthony Richardson,
Kenny Pickett, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Mac Jones,
Tua the nine quarterbacks had a can't stay healthy issue
or a not as promising as we thought problem.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Maybe both.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Development matters to some degree, but it's always been overstated.
I don't care if you're a comedian, a comedy writer,
a politician into tech, or a sportscaster or a talk
show host. Mentors can help guide you a little, but
when the red light comes on or the mic goes
(33:51):
on and you got to make that stump speech or
be funny on stage, it's really on you.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Do you have it? You know?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
A lot of it is a lot of success. I
think I said this a year ago, is just overcoming failure.
Emotional toughness. You don't get bitter. Sam Donald could have
been bitter in New York, bitter in Carolina, bitter when
he went to the Niners behind brock Perty, he was
never bitter. Everybody likes him. You can't find a bad
(34:21):
word in the NFL about Sam Donald. Even the team's
Minnesota still likes him. San Francisco likes him, Seattle loves him.
McVeigh likes him. People in New York liked him. He
never got bitter. So their thing quarterback is hard. The
dropout rate among Navy Seals per class is seventy five
(34:45):
to eighty percent. It's designed to be difficult, yet they
want you to be hardened. And that's mostly NFL quarterback
Matt Stafford had to go through thirteen years in Detroit.
Aaron Goff got to a super Bowl, then his coach
bailed on him. Justin Herbert finally gets Harbaugh. And now
(35:07):
finally he has Harbaugh and what's considered top of the
class offensive coordinator Mahomes is off an injury. Josh Allen
can't get to a Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson now it
looks like he's slower. It's like Navy Seals. It's not
meant to be easy. You got to be super talented,
can't get better, You're gonna have turbulence. You may not
(35:28):
get the greatest coach, and you got to take the coaching.
Here's what I know about Caleb Williams. He had one
major issue. He was getting sacked too much. It literally
he cut seventy percent out of it with mostly the
same offensive line. It's like, Okay, that's a guy that's coachable.
I mean, he's got to get more accurate. I've only
(35:49):
been to one practice. I watched it for two hours Sunday.
He is absolutely more accurate. You know, you got to
take the coaching. You're gonna get crapped on. You're gonna
fail this whole thing about development.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Eh.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Now, Michael Pennix, of all those nine quarterbacks who lost
their jobs, Pennix is the one I really liked. And
he's only had twelve starts, so we don't know. I
really liked him, and I did say, you know, Justin Fields,
I thought was tall, a good kid, Teammates liked him,
had a whip for an arm. I just don't think
he saw the field particularly well. And I thought my
(36:26):
gut feeling was San Francisco and Kyle Shanahan. They figure
out every other quarterback, they'd make Trey Lance work. It
didn't work. He was athletic, but not athletic enough. And
he just has like a mechanical flaw with his throwing motion.
But most of those guys. You weren't a big Mac
Jones fan. You weren't a huge too a fan. He
was small and hurt in college. You were not a
(36:47):
j I mean the JJ, McCarthy, Zach Wilson. You guys
all loved him. So I don't buy it's a developmental issue.
The bottom line is Joe Burrow inherited a coach nobody
liked and a bad old line, and he and got hurt.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
But you knew early.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah he's got it, whatever it is, he's got it.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Bad coaches, people fired, atrocious old lines, bad special teams,
rookie year sets an NFL touchdown rookie quarterback record. Yeah,
he's got it. I don't know if you'll in super Bowls.
He's got it. Harbaugh took that job for one reason,
justin Herbert. Mike McDaniel OC took the job for one reason.
It wasn't Harball, it was Herbert. You can like Jim Harbaugh.
(37:29):
If he's got an average quarterback, you're not moving across country.
So I think all this stuff. There's two things I
hear about quarterbacks all the time. I hear this about
quarterbacks all the time. Number One, is you never know
where you're going to find him.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
First round fourteen playoff quarterbacks last year twelve. We're drafted
in the first round. Stop clinging on to Tom Brady
in the sixth round. That's where you find your quarterbacks,
overwhelmingly first round. The second thing I hear is, boy,
the NFL cannot develop that position.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah they can.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
The really special guys eventually get the right coach, the
right oc, the right protection, and the right weapons. Sam
Darnold y'all quit on him. Was eventually too tough, too coachable,
too athletic, too strong, too big, too tough. He was
eventually going to succeed.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Took him a while.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Not everybody's path is linear. It doesn't matter if you're
a politician, it doesn't matter if you're an insurance salesman
in the or pass. Depending on your childhood and your
parental support and your mentors and who drafts you. You know,
his stuff doesn't go straight line. It. I mean, Peyton
Manning wasn't a year four in the NFL. Led the
league picks like it's hard, maybe not Navy seal hard,
(38:47):
it's hard. So you know, like JJ McCarthy was a
guy that apparently, and that's not going to work in Minnesota.
I was never a huge fan. I don't think he
was built for pro football because his college experience. He
didn't need to initiate really the wins or the offense.
And I think you have to, just like you go
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to college to prepare for your first couple of big jobs.
I think it was almost a disservice. How good Harbaugh,
the old line, the defensive front, the run game was.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I mean it was.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Michigan was a bully for his two years. Like they
were beating Ohio State. Ohio State doesn't lose much. Here's
Joel Klett on JJ McCarthy and how hard it is
to predict college quarterbacks and NFL success.
Speaker 10 (39:34):
It is almost impossible to accurately predict how a guy
is going to go in And do do we know
how it's going to work out for Nanda Mendoza.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
No? Do we know how it was going to work
out for Caleb Williams.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (39:47):
But he got Ben Johnson and it's like.
Speaker 10 (39:50):
Well, okay, well now it starts to look a little different,
doesn't it. I wish I knew how to predict this.
I thought McCarthy would work he has not, and that
doesn't mean that he's he's done in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
The other thing that it takes maturity, Like I'm never
to this day. I don't think Dak Prescott has a
top ten arm or top ten athletic ability.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
He's really smart, he's really mature.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Johnny manziel I thought had talent, but he was a
little small and a little immature and a lot immature.
So you know, it's whenever somebody comes up, oh my
kid wants to do what you do? What's your advice?
I mean a lot of it is were you a
good parent? Did you make them work? Do they have
a work ethic? Are they mature? Are they resilient when
they step in it? Can they get themselves out of it?
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Because nobody's path is easy. Peyton Manning number one high
school quarterback, number one college quarterback, number one pick. Four
years in he was the interception of machine. Matt Stafford,
number one high schooler, number great played as a freshman
at Georgia, number one pick. Unbelievable. They said he could
in high school have been had a better arm than
most NFL quarterbacks. Thirteen years with a Lion's and his
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head beat in like it, and Stafford to this day
is the last old quarterback in the NFL. He's the
last one that will sit in that pocket, take that
extra beat and take a helmet to the helmet to
complete a pass. A lot of guys they get older,
and I totally appreciate this and respect it. They're going
down or they're throwing that ball away. They're not taking
(41:22):
the hit, and I respect that.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Stafford.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
You know, he'll just sit there and whatever the odometer was,
I'm staying there for that last beat and taking a
shot to the head.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
He doesn't care. And he's gotten banged up a few
times because of it. All Right.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
The Lakers fourteen months ago got purchased. Now they got
flipped Kushner. Bob Iiger, Yeah, that Bob Iger from Disney
now owns the Lakers.
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Dateline NBC
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