November 11, 2025 • 42 mins
In his Week 11 Herd Hierarchy, Colin ranks the Top 10 NFL teams, explaining why the Kansas City Chiefs and Philadelphia Eagles are still dangerous — and why the Buffalo Bills and Packers have fallen out of the elite category
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Tuesday Herd hierarchy. Im
in it away live in Chicago, which is not far
from Green Bay. What a mess that was last night?
Zero zero at half. Greg Olsen hour from now, Nick Wright,
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five minutes from now. You know, Jay mackints like I'm
a good luck charm for those Bears. That offense is
humming green Bay last night. Green Bay is just lost.
They don't know what they are. They can't run the ball.
Laflora loves to run the ball. I mean, first half
had six completions. So Matt Lafleur what he wants to do,
his team's incapable of doing. And so it's a weird.
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There's no rhythm the green Bays offense to me at all.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Well, the wide receiver room is real. Beat up.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Matthew Golden missed and then they were playing a converted
cornerback bo Melton at wide receiver. Did you see that
drop he had on fourth down? Why are you targeting
a quarterback on fourth down?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
And nine?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I was perplexed by the offense.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
All right, it is time. What to do with the
Buffalo Bills, what to do with the Green Bay Packers.
Let's hit it hurt hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten NFL teams according
to College Number.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Ten, Indianapolis has the number one scoring offense, Number one
in yards per play, number one in total offense. They've
scored thirty plus points in five or six games. Do
they have a ceiling with Daniel Jones? Yep, he's become
I mean Daniel Jones again. A lot of giveaways. But
here's a remarkable number on Jonathan Taylor. He has over
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eight hundred yards after contact after he's been hit. So
this offense is the real deal. It's got a ceiling.
But I put Indy they gotta be in here. I
put him at ten, number nine, justin Herbert unbelievable. The
Chargers have the worst pass blocking line I think I've
ever seen, and yet their second best in the NFL.
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On third down. How they're on a number three running back.
How the fact that they're six and one against the AFC,
three and zero against their division. They don't really have
a true number one on their third best running back.
And the pass blocking line is egregiously bad. Justin Herbert's
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been hit pressured one hundred and thirteen times, second place
twenty four fewer times. Herbert and Harbaugh deserve to be
in here. Nine, number eight Lions. Listen, they win. They
haven't lost back to back game since like twenty twenty two,
longest streak in the league. So and say what you want.
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Jared Goff seventy plus completion percentage in eight straight road games.
That extends an NFL record. We always thought of him
as good inside bad on the road. He looked pretty
good to me. They've got multiple guys with eight plus touchdowns.
Armor on Saint Brown, Jamiir Gibbs. You know, do we
trust Dan Campbell situationally in big spots? I don't know
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if I do. He took over play calling duties this weekend.
Not great. Detroit at eight, number seven Ravens don't care
about their record. These aren't standings. Basically, they averaged thirty
points a game and six point one yards of play
when Lamar Jackson plays, Sorry, you're gonna make the list. Also,
if they play the NFC, take them. They're twenty five
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and three. I like the roster when healthy, I like
the quarterback, I like the coach. Don't care much about
the record. As long as they stay healthy, they'll be
a playoff team. They're gonna win this division. I think
after you watch Pittsburgh against the Chargers, that's fairly obvious.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Number six the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
You can't keep winning this way, and I don't think
they're gonna bea Kansas City this weekend. They're one of
two teams, the Saints or the other, to trail in
every game. It's not sustainable. But they've won seven games
in a row because their coach is great, their defense
is stacked. Their O line's excellent. Fewest sacks allowed yet
most sacks delivered. That's very rare in the NFL. I
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got Denver at six. Number five, But Kansas City's gonna
beat them this weekend. They're the current favorite to beat
them this weekend, and they've out gained seven to the
last eight opponents. Listen, I don't love their run game.
But I mean I went back and looked this morning,
how many great run games as Patrick Mahomes had coach coordinator.
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I like him. You know, Buffalo tends to circle the
wagons and play their best game every year in the
regular season against Kansas City. Congratulations, how's that working out
for you? I got Kansas City at five, number four,
the enigmatic Eagles at four. Listen, they're four and one
against teams with winning records. They sort of played to
their competition. So they beat the Rams and the Chiefs
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and the Bucks and the Packers. They beat good teams,
and they beat them on the road. They do not
give the ball up. I've said this about Caleb Williams.
He doesn't throw picks. The Eagles don't turn the ball over,
and they're very good in the red zone. So again,
playoff football, November football is situational football. It's winning on
the road and they do. And by the way, Jalen Phillips,
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you notice last night they pressured Jordan Love on forty
percent of his dropbacks. That is a heist to get
Jalen Phillips at the trade deadline for a third down pick,
and if he leaves, you get a third round pick
back that is great GMing. Number three the Patriot. I mean,
they go to Buffalo, they win, They play Tampafa bye,
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they win. Drake May eight and nine games, one hundred
plus passer rating. I'm sorry, and he's doing it without
a number one wide receiver, a good not great offensive line.
They're five and zero on the road. That counts for
something on this list, and they've got a lockdown corner
and almost nobody in the league does. They're seven to
zero when Christian Gonzales out of Oregon plays, So I mean,
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you're you're just watching a great coach, a great emerging quarterback,
Kyle Williams the wide receiver, and Traveon Henderson play them
please this weekend. They did, and they were exceptional. Number
two the Seahawks best point differential in the NFC. Sam
Darnold is the highest quoted quarterback in the league. I mean,
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he's just fantastic, tied for the fewest sacks all out
on offense. So they've got there can be a little reckless.
Donald has the weirdest turnovers. Rickocheng balls up a tight
end helmet. But turn the sound down and look at
this def It reminds me of Kansas City's defense about
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three years ago when it was really young. Turn the
sound down. There is no faster defense in this league.
Everybody runs, the safeties, the linebackers, the edge rushers, everybody
runs on this team. Depth everywhere, no glaring hole. Seattle
at two, number one, but the Rams are a more
efficient version of Seattle. You don't get the penalies, you
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don't get the turnovers. Once again, PFF rates and is
the number one team, the number one offense, the number
three defense. Now Seattle's got a quarterback that can move around.
Kansas City does, Buffalo does, Baltimore does. I do think
as a purely pocket quarterback, you can get into those
weird situations if you're not running the ball, their offense
can get stuck. But right now, coaching quarterbacking, run game, pass, rush,
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no penalies, they don't turn it over. They are the
cleanest team in the league.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
With that.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Nick Wright, first things first, he usually has everybody wants
me to put Buffalo in. I can't. I'm watching the games.
I cannot put them in. I'm sorry. They're not a
top ten team in the league.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So I was.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
I'll admit I was a little surprised you didn't have
Buffalo in that would that would? I had three real takeaways.
So let's start with Buffalo first. Let's say the first
round of the playoffs is the two seed Indianapolis Colts,
yeah hosting, Yeah, the seven seed Buffalo Bills Colts. You're
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really I think they're gonna You're gonna stare at Daniel
Jones versus Josh Allen for a week and go with
Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Okay, the Bills can't stop the run. The Colts are
the best run team. Josh is gonna watch. Josh is
gonna watch that game from the sidelines. They're gonna get
dominated time of possession.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Okay, listen, that's fair. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
That might actually be the smarter analysis. I just couldn't
live with myself. I can lose a bet and be
okay with it. I can't lose a bet and be like,
did I look, did I pick Daniel Jones over Josh
Allen in a playoff game?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
All right?
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Second question and then a compliment.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
You you're not trotting out there. The look at bon
Nicks's numbers when trailing graphic too much anymore?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Are you?
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Colin that guy's not good.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
He's not good.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Bon Nicks is not good like the rest of the
team's really good. Bone Nicks. That's a problem. That's a big.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Problem in Denver, and that isn't like because the defense
is awesome, the coach is really good, the offensive line
is spectacular, and it feels like they are lucky every week.
That's a real concern for them.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, I mean, young people need time to grow. I'm
kind of over it because he had sixty one college
star I said yes this past week. I said it
would not shock me because the roster is so complete
that if Sean Payton said, well, we got the twenty
fourth pick, I'll take Sellers from South Carolina and just
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sit him for a year. Who No, I mean, and
I like bon Nicks, but Sean Payton's not sitting around.
He's not forty two years old, he's not McVeigh. And
the roster. You know this, You can't keep these guys
for very long. When your roster's as good as Denver.
Guys have to get paid. Your windows are like eighteen
months in this league.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Yeah, my dream is a different one, which is the
Broncos get the wild card somehow. Upset someone in round
one of the playoffs, and Bonnicks has won a playoff game,
and that leads to him a year from now getting
that big second contract.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
I would love the Broncos.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
In the AFCUS to be tied to Bonnicks for the
next five years and last.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
But not.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Lea's a compliment.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
At your own restraint at not putting Seattle number one
when you could have.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
And I just have a question question for you.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Yeah, how does it feel to have held the Sam
Donald stock this long? Through that much Sam Donald's last
year and a half? Would I can only compare it
to as if in five years Bill has passed and
wearing your hat backwards is called illegal, punishable by six
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months in jail. Like there is no greater victory lap
imaginable for you than the fact that Sam Donald might
be the starting quarterback for the best team in football
and a big reason why Seattle's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well, you know what I've always done. I know what
I'm not good at, which is a lot, and so
I often rely on people who are smarter than me
in their opinion. And I always knew that Shanahan loved him.
I always knew that Kyle Shanahan was always like a
Donald guy, and I knew that McVeigh liked him, and
I knew Kevin O'Connell liked him, and I'm like, those
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are three of the smartest guys in the league and
they all like him. And then when you watch it,
everybody leaves the Jets and just gets better, and You're like, Okay,
nothing works there. Nothing in the world works there. So
a lot of the Darnald thing was everybody I know
likes you. I came out and I said, he he
has He's not Andrew Luck, but I said he shares
the qualities people crushed me for years. I didn't get
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that by myself. I got that from a GM that says,
I know how much you like Luck. Donald's like seventy
nine percent Andrew Luck. And so I just noticed this.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Does this mean that I should hold out hope that
in three years, when Trevor Lawrence is the starting quarterback
for the forty nine.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Ers, that I'm gonna have this moment that I'm going
to be like I never left him.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
That's what guy.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
It just needed in the right circumstances. No one works
in Jacksonville. I don't know, man, but that's great, great hierarchy.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Okay, I want to ask you. I said this about
last night. I had a little bit of a revelation.
Is that when you watch what Mahomes has done in
his career winning super bowls with an average run game and
bad receiving court, or you watch this year, which is unbelievable,
the Chargers are the second best third down team in
the league with the worst all line and no run game.
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You really do see the gap between the top five
or six guys and good guys. And last night the
Eagles are the Packers, just a better version. They have
a good quarterback, but both Love and Hurts had a
great run game last year and they looked exceptional. When
you take the run game away from Mahomes and Herbert,
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who cares. But when you take it away from good
quarterbacks Baker Jordan Hurt, they don't win as much and
they're not the same. And that game zero zero at half.
It's not about the quarterbacks. It's about they don't have
a run game, and they're not. They're not. There's only
about five guys in my life at any one time
at quarterback. Burrow gets to a Super Bowl was an
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atrocious ole line. Mahomes can do that, right. So my
take if Eagles Packers, we've just and I'm guilty, we've
overstated love and hurts into this Mahomes class and they're not.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Well listen, they're certainly not in the Mahomes class. And
I want to stay focused on what your actual point is,
So I will try to resist the urge to be like,
when did Herbert get in that class? Like her Well, look.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
At her Justin Herbert's overcome all this.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Why because there's seven and three right now, because it's
year six and he might win his first playoff game,
might have his first eleven win season. But set that aside.
The Herbert stuff, we'll see. I know the rules with
Justin Herbert. When they're awesome, Justin Herbert's awesome, and when
they're not, Justin Herbert needs more help.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
I know that. Let's talk love and Hurts.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
Hearts is just Hurts is almost in his own category
of quarterbacks because it looks so pedestrian and so hard for.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Such long stretches.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
And then it seems like in the like the third
and long to Devonte Smith, which won them the game,
he makes the play. He can be doing nothing with
his legs all game and then he can have one
really good scramble.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
And while I am not a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
Wins zelot, he has been so successful and such a
winner that I have to be like, man, there is
something weird about him that makes him hard to evaluate.
Jordan Love is not that hard to evaluate for me.
I think he is a very talented player who has
not harnessed the talent. And I think that I said
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it on to you Colin the day after the Mica trade,
that that instantly made Jordan Love the most interesting player
in the league.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Because if he was.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
Simply the tenth best quarterback in football this year, they
can win the Super Bowl. And if he was the
fifth best quarterback in football this year, they would win
the Super Bowl. Because I thought the defense could.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Be that good. The defense has been that good.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Aside from the weird game against Dallas, the defense has
been dominant week in week out. And yet even though
his numbers for the season are actually fine, you watch
him and you're like, man, something's just missing. And I'm
not saying he's not going to get there. But he
isn't young because he's you know, this is his third year.
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Is the full time starter, but he sat for so
long that you would have hoped he would be more
consistent at this point. And I was shocked by the
Athletic article this morning that basically puts out there that
Matt Lafleur's seat could be hot.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Like I didn't.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
See that storyline coming at all, but it seems like
it's where we are.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I got I want Giants fired Dable just to the
same Land year. So I'm a believer in the substitute
teacher theory. Everybody loves him. So if you fire a
coach mid season and you just happened when we've seen Miami,
they fired the GM and the team's elevated. Everybody, I
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mean they moved off Jalen Phillips and the team was elevated.
You get that, So keep Dable to the end. He
and Jackson Dark get along and then move off it.
Now Mike Kaffka takes over, who doesn't have a big presence.
I'm not sure if he's a CEO guy, but he's
a smart guy from Northwestern who played. He reels off
three straight wins. He gets the job. Well, these New
York jobs when they hire coordinators don't work. They hired Kaflin.
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They hire parcels. You need a big presence. So my
takeaway is I wouldn't have fired him, but there's an argument.
And you're somebody that's on this a lot, that situation
in that game against the Bears, they're flying back and
the owners like, why didn't we go for it? Why
are we kicking field goals? Do you think the blue
tent issue got him fired? The situation on fourth down
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got him fired because you saw all of it.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Okay, Colin, listen, So I have a lot of thoughts here.
I'll go quickly.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
First of all, the simplest explanation is this, and this
is a stunning number. Brian Dable in his first nine
games as Giants head coach went seven and two. After that,
he went thirteen and thirty eight, thirteen and thirty eight
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in his final fifty ish games as a head coach.
That will get you fired. Four double digit fourth quarter
meltdowns this year. That will get you fired. The fact
that I thought he was you know, Jackson Dart has
something like twenty five designed quarterback runs this year already,
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despite being in and out of the blue tent four
times this year, He's been checked for four concussions, one
of which was a real concussion, one of which Dable
melt down at the team doctor. So all of listen,
Brian Dabele, maybe he got a little unlucky on certain
spots his record.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
He deserved to be fired.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
But can I paint a scenario for you, because who
loves Brian Dabele, Josh Allen? Who's some people feel like,
you know, missus Brian.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Dable, Josh Allen.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Now, the reporting from Tyler Dunn is that, you know, Allan,
I'm sorry, Dabele and McDermott didn't really get along great,
and that even if Dabel hadn't gotten the head coaching job,
that he might have left Buffalo. If you're right about
Buffalo and they are one and done in the playoffs, yep,
and they decide they have to move off McDermott. Is
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it crazy the idea that Josh Allen might say, Hey,
let Brian Dabele be my head coach here, not my
offensive coordinator, my head coach here. I think there is
a scenario where this actually works out really well for
I'm not prog you know, picking that, but I think
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it's on the board. If Buffalo has the type of
season that you think they could have.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I want to shift to NBA. Your buddy and my buddy,
Chris Brussard always uses this line, and it's so true.
In basketball, your game is your game. Your game is
your game. Westbrook's game is his game. With Lebron in
his prime, he took some oxygen from the offense. It
ran through him. Durant, put him in a corner, get
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him the ball eight and shot clock Hill average twenty eight.
That's not Lebron at forty one. Luca is now a
much better offensive player and probably in shape. Luca is
a better player. Austin Reeves has never played this good
through eight games. Ruey has never played this good through eleven.
DeAndre Ayton JJ Reddick creates such great space. This is
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what he does. Everybody's got space, and the ball moves
and it's joyful. And Lebron's not playing and the numbers
are surging at twenty eight. Bring him back, it'll all work.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
This is crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
At forty was crazy ball stopper Lebron Colin.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
He was sixth in MVP voting at forty last year,
not twenty eight last year.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
And he wasn't a ball stopper last year. I mean,
I'm just curious.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Where is where are the people arguing Oklahoma City eight
and one annihilating people maybe don't bring their second best player,
Jalen Williams back because he's been out all year.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
That's what you're are, Like, I don't.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
What Lebron has proven throughout his career is that he's
a chameleon. He can play whatever style you need him
to play. Historically, his teams have needed him to be
the de facto point guard, but there was one year
for the Lakers he was their center and that worked.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Out as well as it could have.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
There is It is nothing but positive that the Lakers
are playing this well without Lebron, the idea that, let's
just say conservatively, he is. He fell off over the
summer and he went from again last year's second team
All NBA sixth then MVP voting to say he's now
the fifteenth best player in basketball. What a benefit that
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is to add one of the best passers ever, one
of the smartest players ever, and a guy who is
still wildly efficient as your second or third option. Like
I think this is the week Game one Lebron didn't
clap enough people panics by game seven. He's all into it,
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and people are now saying maybe they shouldn't use him
or should try to trade him. The fact that the
Lakers are playing this well without Lebron only speaks to
that they could potentially be legitimately dangerous once he gets back.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I just suggested it needs to be considered that some
of the ascension is the ball movement, the spacing. It's
Luca's team. I don't want Lebron taking this.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Luca was thirty four nine nine his last full year
in Dallas. Luca has been this good. Everyone who's watched
basketball has known it, except for Nico Harrison, who now
doesn't have.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
A job like Austin Reeves.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
I do think Austin Reeves getting more opportunity now you're
seeing it. But he also has become a better player
because when before they got Luca, Austin Reeves was the
team's second option and Lebron was in the Luca role
and he wasn't doing quite this.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Austin Reeves has turned.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Himself into an excellent offensive player, and credit to him,
and credit to JJ, and credit to everyone involved in that.
But I don't see a need to act like Lebron
coming back is anything but a huge coup for the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I bet privately, Austin reeves. I just Austin, just know
your touches are going to get cut in half.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
I mean, if you're out of your mind, you're a
but the team will be better. Like, I don't even
understand what the I hate. What is the take that
they should just bench him, that they should be they
should take him to be their ninth man.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
It's a takeless take.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
My take, it's a takeless take, thank you. It's the
take that they are keeping Lebron on the team just
to appease Bronny since he's now become an important defensive
weapon off the bench.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
My take in the take, my take is this efficiency
will regress with Lebron. They'll have a better athlete, but
their offense won't look like this because Lebron will take
He'll take touches from DeAndre, from Austin, from Luca, and
this is really a beautiful offense and it'll be different
with Lebron.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
It'll just be a little It sounds it's like you're
flirting with the take. I'm not flirting, taking some that
taking some touches away from DeAndre Ayton and giving them
to Lebron James will make the Los Angeles Lakers worse.
It seems like that's what you're batting your eyelashes at,
and I think that's insane.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
All right, that's all. I'm gonna let you save your
Nico Harrison stuff for your show because I know you
have strong Okay.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Thanks, that's very nice of you.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
I appreciate that I did it. I did it earlier
on a podcast on the wonderful Volume podcast network, and
now I'll do it on First things First, I was
live on the air right when, right when the news broke,
so we had live late breakings.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
I'll do it again on TV later. See you comp
all right, buddy.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not suggesting a trade. I'm just
saying it's this. This offense is beautiful to watch right now, beautiful,
and it won't be as beautiful because Lebron needs the ball.
He's not an off ball player. He's smart, he can adapt,
but he is what he is. Your game is your game,
That's all I'm saying. Jmack and Nick don't believe in
my take. They're just they're a little today. I get that,
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so I'm a little saucy every day. How about this,
I did that hurt hierarchy. Is the Seahawks Rams potentially
the game of the year in the league?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Well, I mean, can we get it on the screen
real quick? I think it's not your best effort, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I think Seattle Rams is probably the best game of
the year. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I don't think that's that hot of a take.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
You have it as once you Buffalo Kansas City was
until this week.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I mean, are we going a.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Little gaga for Seattle because they smashed Arizona and we're
up thirty five?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
No, no, no, we're going goggag because they are like
if you look at all their numbers, they're like number one.
Donold's the best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yeah, A lot of it is against bad, bad teams.
I think they're a top five team.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
But I always hear that. I always hear that, Well,
I mean, who have you beaten? Well, folks, there are
no unbeaten teams. I mean the reality is you can say, well,
who have they been, Like Buffalo, who have they beat
They didn't beat Kansas City, So you can always use
the argument, well, who have they beaten? This league? There's
a lot of five hundred teams in this league. There's
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a small bottom and a small top. But the league's
all a game or two in front or back of
five hundred. So you can say what you want about
the Seahawks, but they are like a weird turnover from
being eight and one. They had the San Francisco forty
nine ers beat they'd be a.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Quarterbacks here the quarterbacks Seattle has beaten this season.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
They beat Aaron Rodgers. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I don't think Tyler Shuck was starting for the Saints.
That might have been Spencer Ratler. Then they beat Kyler Murray,
who has basically been soft benched. They beat Trevor Lawrence,
everybody does, c J. Stroud, Marcus Mariota, Jacoby Brissette. They
haven't beaten a top fifteen quarterback yet. Now they have
to face the MVP favorite. I don't know how people
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aren't betting Rams hand over fist here. Colin, this is men,
women and children. Get the hell out of the way.
I've got to put my kids college to sit on
the Rams. I like Seattle a lot this year.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
They've been great. This is a bit of a wake
up call.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Okay, you're stepping into the stepping into the top tier
of teams like again, they're not going to be used
to seeing an offense like this. They haven't played anybody good. Well,
that's certain, you'd like that take. Huh that really silence?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
No, no, no, it's oh, it's worth consideration. But I don't
think you get to seven and two and kind of
a weird turnover from eight to one. This team, Seattle
is better on the road and they're tucked up in
the Northwest.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
They're good.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
They could be in the end of New England and
Seattle are strangely both tucked up in the corner, long flights,
a lot of travel. They're better on the road. That
speaks to a lot. They're both young star quarterbacks, good coaches.
I think Seattle's pretty legit.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
They're very good.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
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Happy Veterans Day and go still.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Is Thank you on Veterans Day to all the men
and women who serves this great country. How about this one,
Jay Mack, If I ask you today next five years,
Jordan Lover, Caleb Williams, who would you take?
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Oh that's a tough one. Oh boy, what you got
to sandbag me? And ask me?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
After Jordan Love poops his pants on national television against
the Eagles, Caleb would do the same.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I would lean Jordan Love. But who's my offensive coordinator?
Can I ask that?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
No? In the current situation with Ben Johnson and Matt Lafleur,
they would have these coaches. They're not in any danger.
I don't believe who would you take next five years.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I'll go Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I'm sorry, I would do Caleb.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I think he has no obviously your reactionary.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Here was Matt Hasselbeck yesterday on Caleb and the Ben
Johnson relationship.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
He's a young player, and so he's done a great
job of improving on the things that he needed to
improve on last year. I got on here every week
and I said, he's got bad body language, he holds
onto the ball too long, he takes too many sacks,
you know, stuff like that. Ben Johnson gets hired. He
basically said the exact same things, and Caleb, to his credit,
has fixed them. He took no sacks again this past week.
(30:54):
He's finding checkdowns. He's not checked down, Charlie. He's taking
shots down the field. But if it's not there on rhythm,
protect the team, protect the offensive line, he's getting the
ball out.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah. I think he's got a better arm than Jordan Love.
I think he's a better athlete, and he's very, very
inexpensive for the next four years.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Can I ask you Colin Trevor Lawrence next five or
Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Caleb Williams, I've seen Trevor Lawrence gets hurt, turnover machine.
Caleb does not turn the ball.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Over at this rate.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
It sounds like you have Caleb Williams projected as like
a top twelve ish quarterback.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yes, absolutely, top ten. Let's give me about five more starts.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
All right, fine, fine, final one.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Drake may next five years or Caleb Drake May Bo
Nix or Caleb Caleb boy, you love, he's some Caleb
Williams fun when it's rolling hot, coward's excited.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Another game winning drive for Caleb.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
He's our guy.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Okay, all right, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
J Max with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Let's start with the New York Giants.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
I should have asked you Jackson dart or Kivi Williams
by blah. We'll all stop it, all right, let's focus
on listen.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
We love takes on this show. Colin.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
This was a great take from a guest on the show,
Ian O'Connor.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
He had an interesting piece about the Giants.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
So they fired Able and Joe Shane is the GM
allegedly responsible to find the next coach. Well, how about
this from Ian O'Connor of The Athletic The home run
move would be if the.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Giants traded for Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Now that is an interesting take its outside the box.
Mike Tomlin would then leave that aging Pittsburgh defense, leave
the Aaron Rodgers stuff, and go to the New York
Giants to coach up the makings of a good defense
on paper.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
At least last time the Giants were great. They hired
a successful coach in Jacksonville, Tom Kaflaflin. Yeah, so I
don't buy this. Let's just do interim coaches, coordinators. That's
not New York. You're getting a lot of this Pat
Shermer and Joe Judge, Jan Aaron Glenn and Adam Gay.
(33:08):
So I thought it was gonna work because Peyton Manning
loved him. In the end, if you're gonna hire anybody,
go get Lane Kiffin, Mike McCarthy or Ian O'Connor's suggestion,
Mike tom Oh, you gotta have a presence in New York.
You gotta have a presence. Mike Koff is a nice guy.
I made two calls last night. The question is is
he gonna be hard enough on players? Does he have
(33:29):
kind of that alpha presence? A lot of pushback on that.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
You're into this, Tomlin idea.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Huh, I think it's intra I thought, oh, I read it,
I'd love you, and I read it, and I thought, well,
I'd go back and look at the history of New York.
It's like Parcels, Tom Cofflin, guys who had been successful
head coaches with big, strong, defiant alpha personalities.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Look at the screen.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
That is Ghastly, McAdoo, Shermer, Judge and Dable, none of
them five hundred going back quite a ways the other
side of the equation, Tomlin, do you think he would
leave Pittsburgh? Is this considered an upgrade to go to
the New York Giants?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Well, they've got their they've got their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
You keep saying that, Colment, are you certain, Well, here's
my thing.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Here's my thing. You're gonna stay in the AFC. Josh Allen, Prime,
Lamar Prime, Herbert Prime, Mahomes prime to go to the NFC.
Jared Goff Prime, Stafford Old, Jalen Hurts Prime, Dak slightly
out of his prime. If you want to get to
Super Bowls, good luck against Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Herbert.
(34:41):
Do you want to get to Super Bowls? Go to
the NFC, Stafford's great, but old Darnold's really good. But
I'll take facing him over Mahomes, Allen or Lamar. I
mean to me, I got Jackson Dart. I don't have
to worry about that. I'm a defensive coach, so I
got my quarterback. I don't the defense up. Huh.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I'm gonna go with It's not gonna happen. But I
love a good interesting outside the box take. And that's
good stuff for me. And all right, let's move on
to the Denver Broncos colin eight and two record. Yeah,
that's the best in the league. However, bo Nicks continues
to struggle. You know that Thursday night game, Holy hell,
he was bad against the Raiders. Well, Chase Daniel, former
(35:23):
NFL quarterback, has chimed in, believes Nicks is in a
hurry in the pocket, adding every single throw ball it's
just dying.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
He's not seeing the field.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Well, this does not bowd well going up against the
Spagnolo defense that had a week off to prepare for
this game. This is a huge game in the division.
If the Broncos somehow win this column, you could just
lock up the division. They're not getting caught up they'd
be up three games on the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I think Bow looks nervous in the first half, he's pressing,
and then I think Sean Payton is over compensating with
the calls. You can't have Courtland Sutton, Evan Ingram, Harvei, JK. Dobbins, Franklin.
You can't have this many good players in offense and
you can't score for three quarters.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
You think it's that good of a supporting cast.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Oh, I think Evan Ingram's super athletic. I think the
receiving Cors got a bunch of solid guys long can run.
I like both their running backs. O lines top three
in the league. I'm sorry Daniel Jones is putting up
number one offense in the league with a similar supporting cast,
with a good old line and bar it. Now. I
think Jonathan Taylor's better than anybody in the building in Denver.
(36:33):
But the point is, you gotta be better than this.
You have to be so.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
The few times I've watched bo Nicks closely, when I
bet on the Broncos Colin, the defenses are saying we're
gonna play the safeties deep because we're not going.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
To get beat on bombs.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
And I don't think you can matriculate the ball down
the field on a nine play eighty yard drive. You're
gonna screw up. And bo Nicks is just like taking
the bait. He's like, no, I got something deep, and
he keeps chucking these bombs and they're just not even
close to happening. In Mims his burner out with a concussion.
We don't know if he's going to be back. I
just don't know if I trust Nicks to have one
(37:07):
of these ball control drives down the field. Are you
seeing him hitting the underneath stuff and reading the defenses.
Because Sean Payton when he had breeze, that's the breeze,
bread and butter, eight ten yards over the middle. Lock
it up, Nix. I don't know that he can do that.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Right now, it's going to be six to seven quarterbacks
draft within the first two rounds. Would not be shocked
if Denver with their first or second pick, especially their second.
You know, maybe they go get first pick, they go
get you know, the best player on the board. Now,
all of a sudden, you're deep second round. I think
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they have a second round pick. Make sure they do,
But if they did, I could see them saying we'll
take Nutsmyer Lsu he dropped the second round. I'm just
telling you it may not be their first pick, but
I can see them Sean Payton going my second pick.
I'm gonna look at the board very carefully.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Hold First of all, forget he got bench last weekend.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
That being said, that's that.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Hold on, hold on, you were crowning bon Knicks man,
and now you're like, I'm not seeing it in you're too.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
One thing you know about me is move off stuff
if it doesn't work. Don't try to convince yourself. Your
eyes are lying to you. I thought he was a
great fit. Sixty one college starts made the playoffs last year,
but there the team is better and he is noticeably worse.
He is pressing, Peyton's compensating. There is no rhythm. I'm
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just I'm you know, now, could it be sophomore blues.
I'm not saying they trade him. I'm just saying, don't
be shocked. Second or third pick. Denver's like, we're gonna
get some competition.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
In the interesting. Interesting.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
We might have to ask your guy Cosell, what the
hell is going on with bo Nicks ahead of his matchup,
because I gotta be honest.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I want to take the four and a half colin
with the Broncos at home.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
You know, I get I kind of want.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
To take that.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Okay, third story, Yes, yes, yes, it's Lebron James, the
object of your scoring lately. He's got that sciatica issue. Anyway,
He's set to practice with the Lakers G League affiliate.
Lakers are fine without him. Eighth game of the season
last night and they got the dub colin. After the win,
(39:14):
here's Austin Reeves talking about the excitement of what Lebron
will bring back to the lineup.
Speaker 8 (39:21):
I told him he should play a game, it would
just be funny. But with South Bay, he can't wait
for him to come back. Obviously, it's you know, it's
Lebron James. He's, you know, in my opinion, the greatest
player to ever touch a basketball, and he knows when
he comes back, like, you know, this is how I
can help the team. You know, obviously it's Lebron. You
know he's going to help the team and whatever he
(39:42):
does because he's so good. But you know, he's a
super competitor. Can't wait to get him back.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
All right, Your touches are gonna get cut in half.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I'll stop there, all right, J Mack with a new.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
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I bring it back. Some people say, where's Buffalo? Where's
green Bay? I can't put you in the top ten
if you don't have an identity through sixty percent of
(40:52):
the season. What's green Bay's identity? Offensively? They have none,
and Buffalo can't stop the run. If the Colts are
the tenth best team in the league, and I think
they are, ninth or tenth. How in the world could
I have Buffalo in there. The Colts may have a
ceiling to their identity, but they are a run first
offense that is tremendous at ball control, tremendous at yards
(41:18):
after the catch. I know what the Colts are. Every
team on that list, I know what their straints are
and their liabilities. Buffalo just has a great quarterback. Green
Bay has a really good roster. I just don't feel
I have any identity with the Buffalo Bills, and that's
my knock. I mean, they can't stop the run, which
(41:39):
I think is the first way to get beat. I said,
if the Colts hosted the Bills in a playoff game,
I take the Colts because I think they would run
for two hundred yards and I think Josh Allen would
have an uneven game based on he'd trail he'd have
to throw, There'd be long stretches where he was watching
the game as the Colts dominate time of possession. I
(42:02):
think knowing what you are is so valuable, not only
in games, but over a season, because every team has injuries,
every team has slumps. You know, every team has rough stretches.
So when you're in those Okay, we got to go
back to what we are the Colts. This week, I mean,
the Colts lose at Pittsburgh, get blown out, they come
back against Atlanta, what do the Colts do? They ask themselves,
(42:24):
what are we run first, physical upfront team? And what
did they do? Jonathan Taylor almost two hundred and fifty
yards rushing. When you lose, you're in a slump, you
have injuries. You gotta know what to go back to.
Buffalo's like, well, Josh Allen's good, It's not a top
ten team to me. Our three, Greg Olsen's coming up
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Here we go. It is a Tuesday Herd hierarchy. Im
in it away live in Chicago, which is not far
from Green Bay. What a mess that was last night?
Zero zero at half. Greg Olsen hour from now, Nick Wright,
(00:46):
five minutes from now. You know, Jay mackints like I'm
a good luck charm for those Bears. That offense is
humming green Bay last night. Green Bay is just lost.
They don't know what they are. They can't run the ball.
Laflora loves to run the ball. I mean, first half
had six completions. So Matt Lafleur what he wants to do,
his team's incapable of doing. And so it's a weird.
(01:07):
There's no rhythm the green Bays offense to me at all.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Well, the wide receiver room is real. Beat up.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Matthew Golden missed and then they were playing a converted
cornerback bo Melton at wide receiver. Did you see that
drop he had on fourth down? Why are you targeting
a quarterback on fourth down?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
And nine?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I was perplexed by the offense.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
All right, it is time. What to do with the
Buffalo Bills, what to do with the Green Bay Packers.
Let's hit it hurt hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten NFL teams according
to College Number.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Ten, Indianapolis has the number one scoring offense, Number one
in yards per play, number one in total offense. They've
scored thirty plus points in five or six games. Do
they have a ceiling with Daniel Jones? Yep, he's become
I mean Daniel Jones again. A lot of giveaways. But
here's a remarkable number on Jonathan Taylor. He has over
(02:07):
eight hundred yards after contact after he's been hit. So
this offense is the real deal. It's got a ceiling.
But I put Indy they gotta be in here. I
put him at ten, number nine, justin Herbert unbelievable. The
Chargers have the worst pass blocking line I think I've
ever seen, and yet their second best in the NFL.
(02:29):
On third down. How they're on a number three running back.
How the fact that they're six and one against the AFC,
three and zero against their division. They don't really have
a true number one on their third best running back.
And the pass blocking line is egregiously bad. Justin Herbert's
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been hit pressured one hundred and thirteen times, second place
twenty four fewer times. Herbert and Harbaugh deserve to be
in here. Nine, number eight Lions. Listen, they win. They
haven't lost back to back game since like twenty twenty two,
longest streak in the league. So and say what you want.
(03:14):
Jared Goff seventy plus completion percentage in eight straight road games.
That extends an NFL record. We always thought of him
as good inside bad on the road. He looked pretty
good to me. They've got multiple guys with eight plus touchdowns.
Armor on Saint Brown, Jamiir Gibbs. You know, do we
trust Dan Campbell situationally in big spots? I don't know
(03:37):
if I do. He took over play calling duties this weekend.
Not great. Detroit at eight, number seven Ravens don't care
about their record. These aren't standings. Basically, they averaged thirty
points a game and six point one yards of play
when Lamar Jackson plays, Sorry, you're gonna make the list. Also,
if they play the NFC, take them. They're twenty five
(04:00):
and three. I like the roster when healthy, I like
the quarterback, I like the coach. Don't care much about
the record. As long as they stay healthy, they'll be
a playoff team. They're gonna win this division. I think
after you watch Pittsburgh against the Chargers, that's fairly obvious.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Number six the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
You can't keep winning this way, and I don't think
they're gonna bea Kansas City this weekend. They're one of
two teams, the Saints or the other, to trail in
every game. It's not sustainable. But they've won seven games
in a row because their coach is great, their defense
is stacked. Their O line's excellent. Fewest sacks allowed yet
most sacks delivered. That's very rare in the NFL. I
(04:40):
got Denver at six. Number five, But Kansas City's gonna
beat them this weekend. They're the current favorite to beat
them this weekend, and they've out gained seven to the
last eight opponents. Listen, I don't love their run game.
But I mean I went back and looked this morning,
how many great run games as Patrick Mahomes had coach coordinator.
(05:00):
I like him. You know, Buffalo tends to circle the
wagons and play their best game every year in the
regular season against Kansas City. Congratulations, how's that working out
for you? I got Kansas City at five, number four,
the enigmatic Eagles at four. Listen, they're four and one
against teams with winning records. They sort of played to
their competition. So they beat the Rams and the Chiefs
(05:22):
and the Bucks and the Packers. They beat good teams,
and they beat them on the road. They do not
give the ball up. I've said this about Caleb Williams.
He doesn't throw picks. The Eagles don't turn the ball over,
and they're very good in the red zone. So again,
playoff football, November football is situational football. It's winning on
the road and they do. And by the way, Jalen Phillips,
(05:44):
you notice last night they pressured Jordan Love on forty
percent of his dropbacks. That is a heist to get
Jalen Phillips at the trade deadline for a third down pick,
and if he leaves, you get a third round pick
back that is great GMing. Number three the Patriot. I mean,
they go to Buffalo, they win, They play Tampafa bye,
(06:04):
they win. Drake May eight and nine games, one hundred
plus passer rating. I'm sorry, and he's doing it without
a number one wide receiver, a good not great offensive line.
They're five and zero on the road. That counts for
something on this list, and they've got a lockdown corner
and almost nobody in the league does. They're seven to
zero when Christian Gonzales out of Oregon plays, So I mean,
(06:26):
you're you're just watching a great coach, a great emerging quarterback,
Kyle Williams the wide receiver, and Traveon Henderson play them
please this weekend. They did, and they were exceptional. Number
two the Seahawks best point differential in the NFC. Sam
Darnold is the highest quoted quarterback in the league. I mean,
(06:49):
he's just fantastic, tied for the fewest sacks all out
on offense. So they've got there can be a little reckless.
Donald has the weirdest turnovers. Rickocheng balls up a tight
end helmet. But turn the sound down and look at
this def It reminds me of Kansas City's defense about
(07:09):
three years ago when it was really young. Turn the
sound down. There is no faster defense in this league.
Everybody runs, the safeties, the linebackers, the edge rushers, everybody
runs on this team. Depth everywhere, no glaring hole. Seattle
at two, number one, but the Rams are a more
efficient version of Seattle. You don't get the penalies, you
(07:30):
don't get the turnovers. Once again, PFF rates and is
the number one team, the number one offense, the number
three defense. Now Seattle's got a quarterback that can move around.
Kansas City does, Buffalo does, Baltimore does. I do think
as a purely pocket quarterback, you can get into those
weird situations if you're not running the ball, their offense
can get stuck. But right now, coaching quarterbacking, run game, pass, rush,
(07:57):
no penalies, they don't turn it over. They are the
cleanest team in the league.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
With that.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Nick Wright, first things first, he usually has everybody wants
me to put Buffalo in. I can't. I'm watching the games.
I cannot put them in. I'm sorry. They're not a
top ten team in the league.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So I was.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
I'll admit I was a little surprised you didn't have
Buffalo in that would that would? I had three real takeaways.
So let's start with Buffalo first. Let's say the first
round of the playoffs is the two seed Indianapolis Colts,
yeah hosting, Yeah, the seven seed Buffalo Bills Colts. You're
(08:41):
really I think they're gonna You're gonna stare at Daniel
Jones versus Josh Allen for a week and go with
Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Okay, the Bills can't stop the run. The Colts are
the best run team. Josh is gonna watch. Josh is
gonna watch that game from the sidelines. They're gonna get
dominated time of possession.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Okay, listen, that's fair. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
That might actually be the smarter analysis. I just couldn't
live with myself. I can lose a bet and be
okay with it. I can't lose a bet and be like,
did I look, did I pick Daniel Jones over Josh
Allen in a playoff game?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
All right?
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Second question and then a compliment.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
You you're not trotting out there. The look at bon
Nicks's numbers when trailing graphic too much anymore?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Are you?
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Colin that guy's not good.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
He's not good.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Bon Nicks is not good like the rest of the
team's really good. Bone Nicks. That's a problem. That's a big.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Problem in Denver, and that isn't like because the defense
is awesome, the coach is really good, the offensive line
is spectacular, and it feels like they are lucky every week.
That's a real concern for them.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, I mean, young people need time to grow. I'm
kind of over it because he had sixty one college
star I said yes this past week. I said it
would not shock me because the roster is so complete
that if Sean Payton said, well, we got the twenty
fourth pick, I'll take Sellers from South Carolina and just
(10:14):
sit him for a year. Who No, I mean, and
I like bon Nicks, but Sean Payton's not sitting around.
He's not forty two years old, he's not McVeigh. And
the roster. You know this, You can't keep these guys
for very long. When your roster's as good as Denver.
Guys have to get paid. Your windows are like eighteen
months in this league.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Yeah, my dream is a different one, which is the
Broncos get the wild card somehow. Upset someone in round
one of the playoffs, and Bonnicks has won a playoff game,
and that leads to him a year from now getting
that big second contract.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
I would love the Broncos.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
In the AFCUS to be tied to Bonnicks for the
next five years and last.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
But not.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Lea's a compliment.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
At your own restraint at not putting Seattle number one
when you could have.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
And I just have a question question for you.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Yeah, how does it feel to have held the Sam
Donald stock this long? Through that much Sam Donald's last
year and a half? Would I can only compare it
to as if in five years Bill has passed and
wearing your hat backwards is called illegal, punishable by six
(11:21):
months in jail. Like there is no greater victory lap
imaginable for you than the fact that Sam Donald might
be the starting quarterback for the best team in football
and a big reason why Seattle's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well, you know what I've always done. I know what
I'm not good at, which is a lot, and so
I often rely on people who are smarter than me
in their opinion. And I always knew that Shanahan loved him.
I always knew that Kyle Shanahan was always like a
Donald guy, and I knew that McVeigh liked him, and
I knew Kevin O'Connell liked him, and I'm like, those
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are three of the smartest guys in the league and
they all like him. And then when you watch it,
everybody leaves the Jets and just gets better, and You're like, Okay,
nothing works there. Nothing in the world works there. So
a lot of the Darnald thing was everybody I know
likes you. I came out and I said, he he
has He's not Andrew Luck, but I said he shares
the qualities people crushed me for years. I didn't get
(12:23):
that by myself. I got that from a GM that says,
I know how much you like Luck. Donald's like seventy
nine percent Andrew Luck. And so I just noticed this.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Does this mean that I should hold out hope that
in three years, when Trevor Lawrence is the starting quarterback
for the forty nine.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Ers, that I'm gonna have this moment that I'm going
to be like I never left him.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
That's what guy.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
It just needed in the right circumstances. No one works
in Jacksonville. I don't know, man, but that's great, great hierarchy.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Okay, I want to ask you. I said this about
last night. I had a little bit of a revelation.
Is that when you watch what Mahomes has done in
his career winning super bowls with an average run game and
bad receiving court, or you watch this year, which is unbelievable,
the Chargers are the second best third down team in
the league with the worst all line and no run game.
(13:14):
You really do see the gap between the top five
or six guys and good guys. And last night the
Eagles are the Packers, just a better version. They have
a good quarterback, but both Love and Hurts had a
great run game last year and they looked exceptional. When
you take the run game away from Mahomes and Herbert,
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who cares. But when you take it away from good
quarterbacks Baker Jordan Hurt, they don't win as much and
they're not the same. And that game zero zero at half.
It's not about the quarterbacks. It's about they don't have
a run game, and they're not. They're not. There's only
about five guys in my life at any one time
at quarterback. Burrow gets to a Super Bowl was an
(13:56):
atrocious ole line. Mahomes can do that, right. So my
take if Eagles Packers, we've just and I'm guilty, we've
overstated love and hurts into this Mahomes class and they're not.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Well listen, they're certainly not in the Mahomes class. And
I want to stay focused on what your actual point is,
So I will try to resist the urge to be like,
when did Herbert get in that class? Like her Well, look.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
At her Justin Herbert's overcome all this.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Why because there's seven and three right now, because it's
year six and he might win his first playoff game,
might have his first eleven win season. But set that aside.
The Herbert stuff, we'll see. I know the rules with
Justin Herbert. When they're awesome, Justin Herbert's awesome, and when
they're not, Justin Herbert needs more help.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
I know that. Let's talk love and Hurts.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
Hearts is just Hurts is almost in his own category
of quarterbacks because it looks so pedestrian and so hard for.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Such long stretches.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
And then it seems like in the like the third
and long to Devonte Smith, which won them the game,
he makes the play. He can be doing nothing with
his legs all game and then he can have one
really good scramble.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
And while I am not a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
Wins zelot, he has been so successful and such a
winner that I have to be like, man, there is
something weird about him that makes him hard to evaluate.
Jordan Love is not that hard to evaluate for me.
I think he is a very talented player who has
not harnessed the talent. And I think that I said
(15:41):
it on to you Colin the day after the Mica trade,
that that instantly made Jordan Love the most interesting player
in the league.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Because if he was.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
Simply the tenth best quarterback in football this year, they
can win the Super Bowl. And if he was the
fifth best quarterback in football this year, they would win
the Super Bowl. Because I thought the defense could.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Be that good. The defense has been that good.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Aside from the weird game against Dallas, the defense has
been dominant week in week out. And yet even though
his numbers for the season are actually fine, you watch
him and you're like, man, something's just missing. And I'm
not saying he's not going to get there. But he
isn't young because he's you know, this is his third year.
(16:31):
Is the full time starter, but he sat for so
long that you would have hoped he would be more
consistent at this point. And I was shocked by the
Athletic article this morning that basically puts out there that
Matt Lafleur's seat could be hot.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Like I didn't.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
See that storyline coming at all, but it seems like
it's where we are.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I got I want Giants fired Dable just to the
same Land year. So I'm a believer in the substitute
teacher theory. Everybody loves him. So if you fire a
coach mid season and you just happened when we've seen Miami,
they fired the GM and the team's elevated. Everybody, I
(17:15):
mean they moved off Jalen Phillips and the team was elevated.
You get that, So keep Dable to the end. He
and Jackson Dark get along and then move off it.
Now Mike Kaffka takes over, who doesn't have a big presence.
I'm not sure if he's a CEO guy, but he's
a smart guy from Northwestern who played. He reels off
three straight wins. He gets the job. Well, these New
York jobs when they hire coordinators don't work. They hired Kaflin.
(17:40):
They hire parcels. You need a big presence. So my
takeaway is I wouldn't have fired him, but there's an argument.
And you're somebody that's on this a lot, that situation
in that game against the Bears, they're flying back and
the owners like, why didn't we go for it? Why
are we kicking field goals? Do you think the blue
tent issue got him fired? The situation on fourth down
(18:01):
got him fired because you saw all of it.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Okay, Colin, listen, So I have a lot of thoughts here.
I'll go quickly.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
First of all, the simplest explanation is this, and this
is a stunning number. Brian Dable in his first nine
games as Giants head coach went seven and two. After that,
he went thirteen and thirty eight, thirteen and thirty eight
(18:29):
in his final fifty ish games as a head coach.
That will get you fired. Four double digit fourth quarter
meltdowns this year. That will get you fired. The fact
that I thought he was you know, Jackson Dart has
something like twenty five designed quarterback runs this year already,
(18:50):
despite being in and out of the blue tent four
times this year, He's been checked for four concussions, one
of which was a real concussion, one of which Dable
melt down at the team doctor. So all of listen,
Brian Dabele, maybe he got a little unlucky on certain
spots his record.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
He deserved to be fired.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
But can I paint a scenario for you, because who
loves Brian Dabele, Josh Allen? Who's some people feel like,
you know, missus Brian.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Dable, Josh Allen.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Now, the reporting from Tyler Dunn is that, you know, Allan,
I'm sorry, Dabele and McDermott didn't really get along great,
and that even if Dabel hadn't gotten the head coaching job,
that he might have left Buffalo. If you're right about
Buffalo and they are one and done in the playoffs, yep,
and they decide they have to move off McDermott. Is
(19:43):
it crazy the idea that Josh Allen might say, Hey,
let Brian Dabele be my head coach here, not my
offensive coordinator, my head coach here. I think there is
a scenario where this actually works out really well for
I'm not prog you know, picking that, but I think
(20:04):
it's on the board. If Buffalo has the type of
season that you think they could have.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I want to shift to NBA. Your buddy and my buddy,
Chris Brussard always uses this line, and it's so true.
In basketball, your game is your game. Your game is
your game. Westbrook's game is his game. With Lebron in
his prime, he took some oxygen from the offense. It
ran through him. Durant, put him in a corner, get
(20:30):
him the ball eight and shot clock Hill average twenty eight.
That's not Lebron at forty one. Luca is now a
much better offensive player and probably in shape. Luca is
a better player. Austin Reeves has never played this good
through eight games. Ruey has never played this good through eleven.
DeAndre Ayton JJ Reddick creates such great space. This is
(20:52):
what he does. Everybody's got space, and the ball moves
and it's joyful. And Lebron's not playing and the numbers
are surging at twenty eight. Bring him back, it'll all work.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
This is crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
At forty was crazy ball stopper Lebron Colin.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
He was sixth in MVP voting at forty last year,
not twenty eight last year.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
And he wasn't a ball stopper last year. I mean,
I'm just curious.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Where is where are the people arguing Oklahoma City eight
and one annihilating people maybe don't bring their second best player,
Jalen Williams back because he's been out all year.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
That's what you're are, Like, I don't.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
What Lebron has proven throughout his career is that he's
a chameleon. He can play whatever style you need him
to play. Historically, his teams have needed him to be
the de facto point guard, but there was one year
for the Lakers he was their center and that worked.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Out as well as it could have.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
There is It is nothing but positive that the Lakers
are playing this well without Lebron, the idea that, let's
just say conservatively, he is. He fell off over the
summer and he went from again last year's second team
All NBA sixth then MVP voting to say he's now
the fifteenth best player in basketball. What a benefit that
(22:21):
is to add one of the best passers ever, one
of the smartest players ever, and a guy who is
still wildly efficient as your second or third option. Like
I think this is the week Game one Lebron didn't
clap enough people panics by game seven. He's all into it,
(22:43):
and people are now saying maybe they shouldn't use him
or should try to trade him. The fact that the
Lakers are playing this well without Lebron only speaks to
that they could potentially be legitimately dangerous once he gets back.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I just suggested it needs to be considered that some
of the ascension is the ball movement, the spacing. It's
Luca's team. I don't want Lebron taking this.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Luca was thirty four nine nine his last full year
in Dallas. Luca has been this good. Everyone who's watched
basketball has known it, except for Nico Harrison, who now
doesn't have.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
A job like Austin Reeves.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
I do think Austin Reeves getting more opportunity now you're
seeing it. But he also has become a better player
because when before they got Luca, Austin Reeves was the
team's second option and Lebron was in the Luca role
and he wasn't doing quite this.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Austin Reeves has turned.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Himself into an excellent offensive player, and credit to him,
and credit to JJ, and credit to everyone involved in that.
But I don't see a need to act like Lebron
coming back is anything but a huge coup for the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I bet privately, Austin reeves. I just Austin, just know
your touches are going to get cut in half.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
I mean, if you're out of your mind, you're a
but the team will be better. Like, I don't even
understand what the I hate. What is the take that
they should just bench him, that they should be they
should take him to be their ninth man.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
It's a takeless take.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
My take, it's a takeless take, thank you. It's the
take that they are keeping Lebron on the team just
to appease Bronny since he's now become an important defensive
weapon off the bench.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
My take in the take, my take is this efficiency
will regress with Lebron. They'll have a better athlete, but
their offense won't look like this because Lebron will take
He'll take touches from DeAndre, from Austin, from Luca, and
this is really a beautiful offense and it'll be different
with Lebron.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
It'll just be a little It sounds it's like you're
flirting with the take. I'm not flirting, taking some that
taking some touches away from DeAndre Ayton and giving them
to Lebron James will make the Los Angeles Lakers worse.
It seems like that's what you're batting your eyelashes at,
and I think that's insane.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
All right, that's all. I'm gonna let you save your
Nico Harrison stuff for your show because I know you
have strong Okay.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Thanks, that's very nice of you.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
I appreciate that I did it. I did it earlier
on a podcast on the wonderful Volume podcast network, and
now I'll do it on First things First, I was
live on the air right when, right when the news broke,
so we had live late breakings.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
I'll do it again on TV later. See you comp
all right, buddy.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not suggesting a trade. I'm just
saying it's this. This offense is beautiful to watch right now, beautiful,
and it won't be as beautiful because Lebron needs the ball.
He's not an off ball player. He's smart, he can adapt,
but he is what he is. Your game is your game,
That's all I'm saying. Jmack and Nick don't believe in
my take. They're just they're a little today. I get that,
(26:02):
so I'm a little saucy every day. How about this,
I did that hurt hierarchy. Is the Seahawks Rams potentially
the game of the year in the league?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Well, I mean, can we get it on the screen
real quick? I think it's not your best effort, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I think Seattle Rams is probably the best game of
the year. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I don't think that's that hot of a take.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
You have it as once you Buffalo Kansas City was
until this week.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I mean, are we going a.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Little gaga for Seattle because they smashed Arizona and we're
up thirty five?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
No, no, no, we're going goggag because they are like
if you look at all their numbers, they're like number one.
Donold's the best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yeah, A lot of it is against bad, bad teams.
I think they're a top five team.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
But I always hear that. I always hear that, Well,
I mean, who have you beaten? Well, folks, there are
no unbeaten teams. I mean the reality is you can say, well,
who have they been, Like Buffalo, who have they beat
They didn't beat Kansas City, So you can always use
the argument, well, who have they beaten? This league? There's
a lot of five hundred teams in this league. There's
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a small bottom and a small top. But the league's
all a game or two in front or back of
five hundred. So you can say what you want about
the Seahawks, but they are like a weird turnover from
being eight and one. They had the San Francisco forty
nine ers beat they'd be a.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Quarterbacks here the quarterbacks Seattle has beaten this season.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
They beat Aaron Rodgers. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I don't think Tyler Shuck was starting for the Saints.
That might have been Spencer Ratler. Then they beat Kyler Murray,
who has basically been soft benched. They beat Trevor Lawrence,
everybody does, c J. Stroud, Marcus Mariota, Jacoby Brissette. They
haven't beaten a top fifteen quarterback yet. Now they have
to face the MVP favorite. I don't know how people
(27:52):
aren't betting Rams hand over fist here. Colin, this is men,
women and children. Get the hell out of the way.
I've got to put my kids college to sit on
the Rams. I like Seattle a lot this year.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
They've been great. This is a bit of a wake
up call.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Okay, you're stepping into the stepping into the top tier
of teams like again, they're not going to be used
to seeing an offense like this. They haven't played anybody good. Well,
that's certain, you'd like that take. Huh that really silence?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
No, no, no, it's oh, it's worth consideration. But I don't
think you get to seven and two and kind of
a weird turnover from eight to one. This team, Seattle
is better on the road and they're tucked up in
the Northwest.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
They're good.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
They could be in the end of New England and
Seattle are strangely both tucked up in the corner, long flights,
a lot of travel. They're better on the road. That
speaks to a lot. They're both young star quarterbacks, good coaches.
I think Seattle's pretty legit.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
They're very good.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
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Happy Veterans Day and go still.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Is Thank you on Veterans Day to all the men
and women who serves this great country. How about this one,
Jay Mack, If I ask you today next five years,
Jordan Lover, Caleb Williams, who would you take?
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Oh that's a tough one. Oh boy, what you got
to sandbag me? And ask me?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
After Jordan Love poops his pants on national television against
the Eagles, Caleb would do the same.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I would lean Jordan Love. But who's my offensive coordinator?
Can I ask that?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
No? In the current situation with Ben Johnson and Matt Lafleur,
they would have these coaches. They're not in any danger.
I don't believe who would you take next five years.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I'll go Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I'm sorry, I would do Caleb.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I think he has no obviously your reactionary.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Here was Matt Hasselbeck yesterday on Caleb and the Ben
Johnson relationship.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
He's a young player, and so he's done a great
job of improving on the things that he needed to
improve on last year. I got on here every week
and I said, he's got bad body language, he holds
onto the ball too long, he takes too many sacks,
you know, stuff like that. Ben Johnson gets hired. He
basically said the exact same things, and Caleb, to his credit,
has fixed them. He took no sacks again this past week.
(30:54):
He's finding checkdowns. He's not checked down, Charlie. He's taking
shots down the field. But if it's not there on rhythm,
protect the team, protect the offensive line, he's getting the
ball out.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah. I think he's got a better arm than Jordan Love.
I think he's a better athlete, and he's very, very
inexpensive for the next four years.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Can I ask you Colin Trevor Lawrence next five or
Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Caleb Williams, I've seen Trevor Lawrence gets hurt, turnover machine.
Caleb does not turn the ball.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Over at this rate.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
It sounds like you have Caleb Williams projected as like
a top twelve ish quarterback.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yes, absolutely, top ten. Let's give me about five more starts.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
All right, fine, fine, final one.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Drake may next five years or Caleb Drake May Bo
Nix or Caleb Caleb boy, you love, he's some Caleb
Williams fun when it's rolling hot, coward's excited.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Another game winning drive for Caleb.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
He's our guy.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Okay, all right, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
J Max with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Let's start with the New York Giants.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
I should have asked you Jackson dart or Kivi Williams
by blah. We'll all stop it, all right, let's focus
on listen.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
We love takes on this show. Colin.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
This was a great take from a guest on the show,
Ian O'Connor.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
He had an interesting piece about the Giants.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
So they fired Able and Joe Shane is the GM
allegedly responsible to find the next coach. Well, how about
this from Ian O'Connor of The Athletic The home run
move would be if the.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Giants traded for Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Now that is an interesting take its outside the box.
Mike Tomlin would then leave that aging Pittsburgh defense, leave
the Aaron Rodgers stuff, and go to the New York
Giants to coach up the makings of a good defense
on paper.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
At least last time the Giants were great. They hired
a successful coach in Jacksonville, Tom Kaflaflin. Yeah, so I
don't buy this. Let's just do interim coaches, coordinators. That's
not New York. You're getting a lot of this Pat
Shermer and Joe Judge, Jan Aaron Glenn and Adam Gay.
(33:08):
So I thought it was gonna work because Peyton Manning
loved him. In the end, if you're gonna hire anybody,
go get Lane Kiffin, Mike McCarthy or Ian O'Connor's suggestion,
Mike tom Oh, you gotta have a presence in New York.
You gotta have a presence. Mike Koff is a nice guy.
I made two calls last night. The question is is
he gonna be hard enough on players? Does he have
(33:29):
kind of that alpha presence? A lot of pushback on that.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
You're into this, Tomlin idea.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Huh, I think it's intra I thought, oh, I read it,
I'd love you, and I read it, and I thought, well,
I'd go back and look at the history of New York.
It's like Parcels, Tom Cofflin, guys who had been successful
head coaches with big, strong, defiant alpha personalities.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Look at the screen.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
That is Ghastly, McAdoo, Shermer, Judge and Dable, none of
them five hundred going back quite a ways the other
side of the equation, Tomlin, do you think he would
leave Pittsburgh? Is this considered an upgrade to go to
the New York Giants?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Well, they've got their they've got their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
You keep saying that, Colment, are you certain, Well, here's
my thing.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Here's my thing. You're gonna stay in the AFC. Josh Allen, Prime,
Lamar Prime, Herbert Prime, Mahomes prime to go to the NFC.
Jared Goff Prime, Stafford Old, Jalen Hurts Prime, Dak slightly
out of his prime. If you want to get to
Super Bowls, good luck against Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Herbert.
(34:41):
Do you want to get to Super Bowls? Go to
the NFC, Stafford's great, but old Darnold's really good. But
I'll take facing him over Mahomes, Allen or Lamar. I
mean to me, I got Jackson Dart. I don't have
to worry about that. I'm a defensive coach, so I
got my quarterback. I don't the defense up. Huh.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I'm gonna go with It's not gonna happen. But I
love a good interesting outside the box take. And that's
good stuff for me. And all right, let's move on
to the Denver Broncos colin eight and two record. Yeah,
that's the best in the league. However, bo Nicks continues
to struggle. You know that Thursday night game, Holy hell,
he was bad against the Raiders. Well, Chase Daniel, former
(35:23):
NFL quarterback, has chimed in, believes Nicks is in a
hurry in the pocket, adding every single throw ball it's
just dying.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
He's not seeing the field.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Well, this does not bowd well going up against the
Spagnolo defense that had a week off to prepare for
this game. This is a huge game in the division.
If the Broncos somehow win this column, you could just
lock up the division. They're not getting caught up they'd
be up three games on the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I think Bow looks nervous in the first half, he's pressing,
and then I think Sean Payton is over compensating with
the calls. You can't have Courtland Sutton, Evan Ingram, Harvei, JK. Dobbins, Franklin.
You can't have this many good players in offense and
you can't score for three quarters.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
You think it's that good of a supporting cast.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Oh, I think Evan Ingram's super athletic. I think the
receiving Cors got a bunch of solid guys long can run.
I like both their running backs. O lines top three
in the league. I'm sorry Daniel Jones is putting up
number one offense in the league with a similar supporting cast,
with a good old line and bar it. Now. I
think Jonathan Taylor's better than anybody in the building in Denver.
(36:33):
But the point is, you gotta be better than this.
You have to be so.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
The few times I've watched bo Nicks closely, when I
bet on the Broncos Colin, the defenses are saying we're
gonna play the safeties deep because we're not going.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
To get beat on bombs.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
And I don't think you can matriculate the ball down
the field on a nine play eighty yard drive. You're
gonna screw up. And bo Nicks is just like taking
the bait. He's like, no, I got something deep, and
he keeps chucking these bombs and they're just not even
close to happening. In Mims his burner out with a concussion.
We don't know if he's going to be back. I
just don't know if I trust Nicks to have one
(37:07):
of these ball control drives down the field. Are you
seeing him hitting the underneath stuff and reading the defenses.
Because Sean Payton when he had breeze, that's the breeze,
bread and butter, eight ten yards over the middle. Lock
it up, Nix. I don't know that he can do that.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Right now, it's going to be six to seven quarterbacks
draft within the first two rounds. Would not be shocked
if Denver with their first or second pick, especially their second.
You know, maybe they go get first pick, they go
get you know, the best player on the board. Now,
all of a sudden, you're deep second round. I think
(37:42):
they have a second round pick. Make sure they do,
But if they did, I could see them saying we'll
take Nutsmyer Lsu he dropped the second round. I'm just
telling you it may not be their first pick, but
I can see them Sean Payton going my second pick.
I'm gonna look at the board very carefully.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Hold First of all, forget he got bench last weekend.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
That being said, that's that.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Hold on, hold on, you were crowning bon Knicks man,
and now you're like, I'm not seeing it in you're too.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
One thing you know about me is move off stuff
if it doesn't work. Don't try to convince yourself. Your
eyes are lying to you. I thought he was a
great fit. Sixty one college starts made the playoffs last year,
but there the team is better and he is noticeably worse.
He is pressing, Peyton's compensating. There is no rhythm. I'm
(38:30):
just I'm you know, now, could it be sophomore blues.
I'm not saying they trade him. I'm just saying, don't
be shocked. Second or third pick. Denver's like, we're gonna
get some competition.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
In the interesting. Interesting.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
We might have to ask your guy Cosell, what the
hell is going on with bo Nicks ahead of his matchup,
because I gotta be honest.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I want to take the four and a half colin
with the Broncos at home.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
You know, I get I kind of want.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
To take that.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Okay, third story, Yes, yes, yes, it's Lebron James, the
object of your scoring lately. He's got that sciatica issue. Anyway,
He's set to practice with the Lakers G League affiliate.
Lakers are fine without him. Eighth game of the season
last night and they got the dub colin. After the win,
(39:14):
here's Austin Reeves talking about the excitement of what Lebron
will bring back to the lineup.
Speaker 8 (39:21):
I told him he should play a game, it would
just be funny. But with South Bay, he can't wait
for him to come back. Obviously, it's you know, it's
Lebron James. He's, you know, in my opinion, the greatest
player to ever touch a basketball, and he knows when
he comes back, like, you know, this is how I
can help the team. You know, obviously it's Lebron. You
know he's going to help the team and whatever he
(39:42):
does because he's so good. But you know, he's a
super competitor. Can't wait to get him back.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
All right, Your touches are gonna get cut in half.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I'll stop there, all right, J Mack with a new.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
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I bring it back. Some people say, where's Buffalo? Where's
green Bay? I can't put you in the top ten
if you don't have an identity through sixty percent of
(40:52):
the season. What's green Bay's identity? Offensively? They have none,
and Buffalo can't stop the run. If the Colts are
the tenth best team in the league, and I think
they are, ninth or tenth. How in the world could
I have Buffalo in there. The Colts may have a
ceiling to their identity, but they are a run first
offense that is tremendous at ball control, tremendous at yards
(41:18):
after the catch. I know what the Colts are. Every
team on that list, I know what their straints are
and their liabilities. Buffalo just has a great quarterback. Green
Bay has a really good roster. I just don't feel
I have any identity with the Buffalo Bills, and that's
my knock. I mean, they can't stop the run, which
(41:39):
I think is the first way to get beat. I said,
if the Colts hosted the Bills in a playoff game,
I take the Colts because I think they would run
for two hundred yards and I think Josh Allen would
have an uneven game based on he'd trail he'd have
to throw, There'd be long stretches where he was watching
the game as the Colts dominate time of possession. I
(42:02):
think knowing what you are is so valuable, not only
in games, but over a season, because every team has injuries,
every team has slumps. You know, every team has rough stretches.
So when you're in those Okay, we got to go
back to what we are the Colts. This week, I mean,
the Colts lose at Pittsburgh, get blown out, they come
back against Atlanta, what do the Colts do? They ask themselves,
(42:24):
what are we run first, physical upfront team? And what
did they do? Jonathan Taylor almost two hundred and fifty
yards rushing. When you lose, you're in a slump, you
have injuries. You gotta know what to go back to.
Buffalo's like, well, Josh Allen's good, It's not a top
ten team to me. Our three, Greg Olsen's coming up
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