January 13, 2026 • 41 mins
Colin gives his new Herd Hierarchy. First Things First host Nick Wright explains what he thinks the Steelers will do with Aaron Rodgers, reacts to Josh Allen and the Bills beating the Jaguars, and much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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We're live in Chicago. It's the Herd. Final Herd Hierarchy
for a while. Forty two year old Aaron Rodger longest
drive in the second half, twenty three yards. Texans d
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is for real. Well, so many delicious topics, but let's
not waste any time before we get to Nick Right.
Robert May's on our show in an hour. Here we
go with our Herd Hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Heard hierarchy, Now go the top ten NFL teams according
to College number eight.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Listen. I'm gonna put Chicago there. Season low in penalties
and penalty yards against Green Bay. I didn't love Ben
Johnson's night in turn. I thought it was a little
desperate in the first half, try to get a little cute,
but they played clean. They're seven to two at home
this year. Nine to two against teams outside of their division.
They're a great fourth quarter team, first win without a takeaway,
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so there's a lot to take from it. They played
a clean game. Caleb was remarkable, but losing their starting
left tackle and linebacker TJ. Edwards is going to hurt
against the Rams. They are not nearly as athletic defensively,
and it's not a great defense to start with without TJ.
Edwards and their left tackle against Jared Verse, I worry
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about the Bears. I have them at eight, number seven
Francisco again. Now you can prepare for the Niners without
George Kittle. You're not losing him in game. Brock Purty
as a pick in four straight games, I don't really care.
What I care is if you look at brock Perty
he's had four game winning drives in six playoff games.
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That's what matters to me. They've won eleven straight playoff
games in the wild card or divisional round and that's
you know, a lot of that's Kyle Shanahan. But I
think going into a game without Kittle, very rested Seattle team,
that is a lot to ask. I have them at seven,
number six a Denver. Listen, they're very very good at
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home and eleven and two and one score games. But
there's there's no more Raiders, you know, there's no more
lightweight offenses like the Chargers. And they do lead the
NFL in sacks and allow the fewest sacks. So I
like the roster construct. But they've been held a twenty
or five fewer points in five of the last nine games.
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And I said this, I'm not so sure taking the
week off was good for the young Seahawks or the
inconsistent Broncos. I have them at six, number five Buffalo.
I think Buffalo's probably gonna beat him, and I didn't
think that a couple of weeks ago. But it was
the first road win under McDermott. They've won six of
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seven games. And Josh Allen listen to this. In his
last seven playoff games, Josh Allen nineteen total touchdowns, one pick.
He has a way of getting rid of the mistakes.
They've got their tush push figured out, which they didn't
last year in the playoffs. And I mean, I don't
I think they're offensive personnels better than I give it
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credit for left tackle, quarterback, running back, a couple of
tight ends. I like good slot receiver. I have them
at five number four, but neutral field. I take the Texans.
They've won ten straight. Their defense last night and I
outscored the Steelers offense. I mean Pittsburgh was playing well
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and then all of a sudden they saw Houston and
they weren't. They outgained the Steelers four oh eight. The
one to seventy five. Nico Collins injury is not good,
not good at all. But you know what Woody Marks
is healthy. Christian Kirk CJ. Stroud, I got Houston at
four number three. The Rams, I mean they're beatable because
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I don't like their special teams and they had nine
penalties against the Panthers. They just couldn't lock in and
they're four and three over their last seven games. The
key to beating the Rams is forcing turnovers, so they're
owing three in games with multiple giveaways this year. That's
the way to beat them. Get pressure on Matt Stafford,
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dial up a reckless play, they don't fumble a ton.
That's the way to beat the Rams because when they
play clean and they are healthier than the Bears, they're
thirteen and two. Rams at three number two. I like
New England. You know everybody says, well, I mean they're
two and two against teams you know with winning records. Hey,
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they lost to Buffalo, and they also beat Buffalo. I
don't think in a weird way, it reminds me a
little of the Brady Belichick Patriots. I don't know what
their hole is, but they're not great everywhere. I never
thought Brady had the best receiving corps. For a brief time,
he had the best tight end corps. I never thought
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that the Belichick Patriots had the best pass rush or
the best line backing crew. But they spread the money
around and there was nowhere there were weak And that's
how I look at the Patriots now that Will Campbell
is back at left tackle, two running backs, I like,
there's nothing to pick on with New England. I have
them at two, number one, and I have Seattle at
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one rest advantage over the Niners eight wins by ten
plus points coming up off a bye. They have not
allowed a one hundred yard rusher in twenty six straight games.
You have to throw the ball to beat Seattle, and
brought Perdy when he's got to throw the ball forty
times and Seattle will get a pass rush and there's
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no Kittle underneath to throw it to. Now, that's when
you can get brought purty in trouble. That is my
herd hierarchy. And with that Nick Wright will get the
first stab at it. He is joining us live. Yeah.
I mean when I look at the Bears, I'm like,
they could not afford to lose a left tackle or
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they're really one linebacker that's active and they lost both.
They could have lost a wide receiver, they could have lot.
It's not that they're a bad team. They didn't play clean.
But man, that Rams team right now is really healthy.
I think it anything take your shot at it.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, listen, I agree, given the injuries, under stand where
you have the Bears. I also think what they have
working for them is they are the only team in
this tournament that if the fourth quarter starts on Sunday
or Saturday and they're down two scores, they feel totally
fine about it. The stat of the year for the
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Chicago Bears, Colin is the NFL other than the Bears
down ten plus with five minutes remaining is three and
one hundred.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
And fifty nine.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
The Bears down ten plus five minutes remaining are three
and three. What for everyone else is a five percent
shot is for the Bears. It's not even a five
percent shot for everyone else. For the Bears, it's a
fifty percent shot. And Caleb has shown how specially is
late in these spots. But that's a long way of
saying I agree with you the left tackle injury. The
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defense was already shaky. That was more to me. I
understand the Bears defense stepped up in the second half
at all was a culmination of a season worth of
bad offense for the Eagles for finally coming to I'm
sorry for the season worth, the bad for the Packers,
of the injuries and everything than being able to stop them.
But that I agree with you on the Bears. The
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Texans are a little rich for my blood, Colin, which
is that as great as that defense is, I thought
CJ was brutal yesterday, and I don't trust the offense.
That the Steelers did nothing for forty five minutes and
it's seven to six entering the fourth quarter. The Steelers
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were right there, So the Texans are at touch high.
But other than that, I like where you're out on
the hierarchy. And I thought that the Patriots able to
win with Drake May playing his worst half of the
year was very, very impressive.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Okay, it could have been the last game for Aaron Rodgers.
How will you remember holistically Aaron Rodgers career?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
What a great question. Listen.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I think he is one of the most one of
the five most talented quarterbacks ever. I also think that
you can find specifically three huge spots in the playoffs
where the defense left him drawing dead. Where they allow
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forty four points to Matt Ryan's Falcons in a conference
championship game, where they allow forty five points to Kaepernick
when they score thirty plus win the Niners in a
conference championship game score I think thirty seven, maybe more,
but I know they only threw the ball eight times.
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There are instances where Aaron defenders could rightfully say that.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
That's not on himah.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
But there are also instances where in those biggest spots,
be it the famous game against Seattle with the onside kicks.
Everyone remembers the on side kick and the Russell Wilson throw.
What they don't remember is Aaron was brutal throughout the
almost entirety of that game, and it was really remarkable.
The Packers were leading near the final moments for the comeback,
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or the game against Brady where he had the brutal
first half in the conference championship game and then couldn't
get it in score from inside the red zone with
a couple of minutes remaining. Everyone remembers the two hail
Mary game to force overtime and then he never gets
the ball.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Well maybe they don't remember.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Is they were in that spot because that Packers team
had fourteen points fifty nine minutes into a game against
that Cardinals team, and he hadn't played well. He wasn't
at his best in the biggest spots consistently. And I
think part of that was Colin a little on display
last night, like I'm not going to hold last night
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against Aaron Rodgers legacy wise.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
But the things you.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Saw last night, which was as the almost hyperbolic body
language letting everyone know it's someone else's fault and what
felt like icing out his best player after the one
drop in dk Metcalf. We have seen those things throughout
his career leading up to it, so it's a complicated legacy.
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He's one of the four greatest regular season quarterbacks ever.
He's one of the five most talented quarterbacks ever, he
has four MVPs, and so this is a compliment and
also probably a bit of a dagger. I look at
his career as underachieving, given how great he was. It
is it's really remarkable that in his second third year
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as a starter they get to the super Bowl and
win it. In his fourth year as a starter, they're
fifteen to one and he's damn near the unanimous MVP,
and he never got to another super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
It's I have a hard time believing it. But I
think some of the things that made you forever skeptical
about him early on, far earlier than me, maybe hurt
him in some of the bigger spots.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, three former packers have told me to my face,
you know, having a coffee or a cocktail, that he's moody.
You're never quite sure which Aaron shows up. But I
also can say simultaneously, he's smart, he's a little trickly,
he can be a little condescending, but he can also
be amazing. And there's as many teammates that love him
that are turned off by him, and that's that's kind
of the complexity of life. So, you know, the way
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I look at Josh Allen, and I think Caleb Williams
is like this is I don't sometimes people. Yesterday I
talked about the gifted child syndrome. I said, you know,
you hear about occasionally, like one out of a thousand
kids they're gifted children, and they're like, at twelve years old,
they're still putting their pants on backwards, but at thirteen
they're taking advanced college calculus, and so the rules are different.
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Like with Caleb Williams, I'm like, I'm going to get
over the completion percentage. He does stuff that nobody except
Josh Allen can do, and Josh Allen's probably better at it.
And I said, I don't know what to make of
Buffalo's first half offense. And I think Josh is the
most talented football player period I've ever seen. I'm about
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tam best quarterback, the most talented football player. How does
that land for you?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Pet Well, I mean you know how it lands for me,
because poorly, you know, I could be really mean here
and be like, man, you sure are damaging your relationship
with your dear friend Tom Brady, because that's now two
guys in the last two years that you've elevated past Brady.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Because you told me Mahomes was.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
The most talented football player I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Now it's Josh Allen. Brady's holding on for a bronze
metal spot. I don't even know what happened to your guy,
Tom Brady. Here's the deal.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
And even in your commentary, you're like, Caleb makes throw
that only other Josh Allen can make.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Listen. I understand Patrick had.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
A bad year, but his games were on TV in
Los Angeles and Chicago, right like we have seen him
do these things. So part of this feels like an
attack on Patrick because he had the audacity to have
a down season after making five out of six Super
Bowls and winning.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Three of them.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
With that set, Josh is an all time great player,
and I got annoyed at this is like meta media conversation.
But going into this game, it felt like some of
Josh Allen's biggest fans were trying to lower the stakes
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for this game and set it up to where like
it would that expecting Josh to find a way to
get a wild card round victory over the Jacksonville Jaguars
was asking too much and being unfair, and I didn't
feel that way at all. And the reason that comment
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to Harry bothered me as much as it did is
because if you lower the stakes, if you lower the risk,
you lower the reward. That was a big spot for
Josh Allen. These are a massive postseason for Josh Allen because.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Of who's not there.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
This is a clear path as far as the other
legendary quarterbacks. For Josh Allen, it is all in front
of him, which makes that throw to Brandon Cooks all
the more impressive. Which makes the fact that he basically
played a perfect game on Sunday against a really good
Jags team all the more impressive. It makes the fact
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that two years ago in the playoffs, he had the
ball in his hand down three to win the game
and couldn't come through. Last year, ball in his hand
down three to go winner, tie the game, couldn't come
through this year, ball in his hand down four, and
he does that. That makes it greater. That may it better.
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The way someone with legendary talent becomes a legendary player
are these moments. He has been the second best player
in the league for a half decade. The best player
in the league is not there. I understand it's not basketball,
but to the Bills are not the Washington Generals. They
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have the rushing champ, they have the best offensive line
in the playoffs arguably or at least top three, and
they have a top five pass defense. They have bad
receivers and a bad run defense, and a superhuman at quarterback.
That team can go win a super Bowl. And it
is not asking too much of Josh Allen to say
we want what you win or lose. What you did
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against Jacksonville, even if it's not that prolific against Denver,
that level of execution, that's what we want to see,
and I think he can do it. I think the
super Bowl is going to be Rams Bills. Going into
that Jags game, I thought the winner of that game
was going to go to the super Bowl. Josh is
a special player who's on a could be on a
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special run, and I believe in him. Now the greatest
quarterback I've ever seen, or most whatever, however you phrased it.
That's a bridge too far from me. But he's the
best player in the tournament and we'll see what he
can do.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Okay, So I said this yesterday in the show. I said,
Patrick Mahomes, if you're really honest with yourself, has had
back to back years he struggled. Is it because Andy
Reid or Travis Kelcey or I mean he's been doing
it with hamminegg and wide receiver units. I said, no,
his O line stins and like like bottom seven in
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the league. And I'm like, he's been blown out twice
in Super Bowls. The reason Brady wasn't one of the reasons,
Dante Scarnekia Brady never had a bad old line. Ever, No,
he didn't have the greatest, but he never had a
battle line.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Patrick Justin Herbert defense, So this is a long bridge
for Justin.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Oh So, Justin Herbert's got the thirty second ranked offensive line.
PFF came out last week and said, no quarterbacks ever
won a playoff game since we've been a company with
an offensive line like that.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Okay, and yeah, they scored more than three points.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
What about that?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
What does PFF say about What does PFF say about
the fact that Justin Herbert I understand, Yeah, I mean
it's never his fault. It can't be his fault. To
just see him at the combine. I mean, the guys
are arm talent. I mean, how we're six years in Colin, Yeah,
he has the second lowest passer rating in the history
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of the NFL in the playoffs, the second lowest, you
know as the lowest Andy Dalton. And I've heard people
compare Justin Herbert's on this trajectory Peyton Manning or Matt
Stafford or Matt Ryan. Through six years, he has a
hell of a lot more in common with the career
of Andy Dalton than the career of those legendary players.
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And I understand the the offensive line stinks, but the
offensive line stunk all year. Yet for the second straight year,
he had far and away his worst game of the
season in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
For the third straight.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Time in the playoffs, his defense put him in great position.
Whenever we hear about Herbert not having any help, nobody
brings this up.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
In his three career playoff games, his.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Defense has forced ten turnovers.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Ten.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
That is the most turnovers forced by a quarterbacks defense
in a three game losing streak in the history of
the NFL playoffs. Only one quarterback in the last twenty
five years has had their defense force more than three
turnovers in a three game playoff losing streak stretch. It
was Chad Finning ten who's defense force five it is
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not unfair to say we now have a growing of
evidence that this guy, for all his talent and ability
and measurables, has simply played his worst in his biggest
spots and has played ten consecutive f minus quarters of
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playoff football.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
And everyone who knew the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Offensive line situation, if I had told you the New
England Patriots were going to have six points at halftime,
Drake May was gonna have had his worst half of
the season, the Patriots were gonna have nine points through
three quarters.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Do you think Justin might be able to come through?
Everybody would have said yes, everybody would have been on
board with it.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
And now after the fact, when and now that we've
seen the all twenty two he has guys running open,
We're like, oh man, once again, he needs more help.
Once again, we need to fire this coach or fire
this coordinator. It's if Patrick's Brady, and Josh is Peyton,
and Lamar is big Ben and Burrows Philip Rivers, somebody's
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got to be Andy Dalton, Am.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I be your guy? Justin Harber?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I'm just telling you, Okay, finally, you know I don't
like my quarterbacks at the podium had on backwards. I
like them to be like Jalen Hurts and buttoned up,
and I like them to be Dak Prescott. I will say,
Nick Sirianni jawing at aj Brown, I'm like, it's too juvenile.
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That's just not like, of course, it's just insane. Like
every the fact that we have to have a security
guard sometimes between the coach and players. Would you move off, Siriani?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Listen, he won the Super Bowl a year ago. I
know they're not going to I also know that this
is this is always a good test. If the Packers
flot fired Matt Lafleur, Colin, Yeah, how many of the
open jobs would.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Say, we don't even need an interview.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
If you'll take our job, you're hired for Matt Lafleur.
Maybe all of them that every job would call Matt
Lafleur and say, at least interview.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I have not come here.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
If the Eagles fired Nick Sirianni, is he a head
coach next year?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I've never quite known what he does because Howie Roseman
picks the players and the coordinators. Previously this year he
got to pick Patullo.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
That didn't go.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Well, you can't say like he's an ego manager guy.
Because of the video we're watching here, He's obviously not
designing sick off into plays. He doesn't call the plays,
so other than jawing and opposing teams fans, I'm not
sure what he does. I also, though, think that for
the Eagles as a whole, and he owns wears this
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more than anyone. This was a failure of a Super
Bowl defense, and it was preventable failure because we have
been talking on this show about the Eagles offense going
into half long comas as often as the damn Titans
offense did all year long, and they never got it right.
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And so all of a sudden, the Niner, the mass
unit of the Niners defense getting stops and finding a
way to slow them down actually wasn't shocking.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
I was so excited to talk about this.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I was acting like the Bears played them earlier, but
they the Eagles. The Eagles this year since that game
against the Rams, did not score more than twenty points
against a playoff team once. After Week three. They had
a hit and misspassing game all year. They had issued
with aj Brown all year. They couldn't get the saquon
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from last year never showed up all year long, so
it wasn't shocking that in the playoff game. Who they
were all year is who they were.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah. By the way, yeah, I want to give you
a little heads up on them. Schefty Schefter just released
this Chargers. Chargers fired their offensive coordinator Greg Roman.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
See shot man.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Another listen, another had another big to the slaughter at
the service of Justin Herbert's arm talent.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
One day, something had to be done.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
One day he will.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Have the perfect situation. You called it.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You love his head coach. The defon's been excellent two
straight years. Everybody, listen, I understand they didn't have the
They were missing both tackles, one of which we knew
was out all year when people were picking this team
to go to the Super Bowl without Rashaun Slater.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I'm sure year seven will be the time Justin Herbert
just plays a mediocre playoff game sixty four career passer rating,
the only player in league history with a lower career
playoff fasser rating. Andy Dalton, I'm just saying there's a
lot of similarities there.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I ran into Andy Dalton once at the JW Marriott
in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I like Andy Dalton. People think that this Andy Dalton
comp is a slight to Herbert. Maybe I just think
more highly of Andy Dalton than everybody else. Andy Dalton
beat out your guy Sam Darnold, my guy Baker Mayfield
in Carolina. Maybe Andy Dalton.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Should put some respect on his name.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
And maybe if you were six sick for the Rocket
armed people would have even though owned four in the playoffs,
owned three in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Good to see you Colin, Good to see you, Nick right,
Greg Rowman, got yeah, listen, it's Herbert. You know, somebody's
gotta pay for that.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
We got good study, you know. I hope we don't
forget about Miami and Indiana National Championship. Let's let's not
forget about that either.
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Speaker 7 (26:50):
Yeah, Colin, I was a little giddy last night on
that Aaron Rodgers ending. You see everybody going up to
him to congratulate him after the game. Hey man, great career,
Colin didn't with a pick six. His last throw in
the NFL was a pick six. I mean, we all
think he's gonna retire the Texans retreating it that way.
The camera literally followed him around everywhere. They didn't get
the coach's handshake, nothing. Cam Hayward says he still wants
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Rogers around Okay, yeah, he's the only one. I think
there's a hard reboot in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 8 (27:21):
But do you think.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Rogers, you know, does another darkness retreat and decides I'm
coming back, man, What do you think?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Well, I just don't think. I never thought it was
a great fit. I thought I kept saying all year,
I think Aaron Rodgers is the comeback player of the year.
I thought the fit was Minnesota. I'll tell you right now.
My take is I would go and look at Minnesota
because I think they're gonna bring somebody else in to
compete with JJ McCarthy. He can't stay healthy, can't make starts.
They're they're not. You can't go into the year saying
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we think JJ is gonna play seventeen games. You'd be
lucky if you'd sign up today that it could play ten.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
I scoff at that because he would be exactly copying
Brett Favre, who went Packers, Jets and Vikings and his career.
Speaker 8 (28:08):
I just find it comical.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Sorry, I don't know that that's possible, but hey, quite
quick on Rogers, Colin.
Speaker 8 (28:13):
I had to look this up. Twenty twenty was his
last playoff win.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Twenty twenty we're in twenty twenty six, five years is
on a playoff game.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
The only reason they're in the playoffs with.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
Because Tyler Lup misses a forty four yard field goal
fair and because Burrow missed half the season and Lamar
missed a bunch of games.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
I would go, they're not even in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I don't know. I just I kind of think Aaron's
gonna disappear and we're not gonna have an answer for
a long time. And I think, for the record, I
think Minnesota loves that. So I think Minnesota going into
the draft isn't sure what they're gonna do, so I
think I think after I think Minnesota watched the Vikings
in the draft, what do they do at quarterback? I
would say better than fifty shit. I'll make my guests here.
(28:55):
It's only three things gonna happen. Retire Viking, Okay, two
things hire or Vikings? Is my guest? Right?
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Do you think if Rogers says, hey, Mike, you want
to run it back, that that is more likely for
Tomlin to want to stay versus go to a cushy
TV job.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
Probably take one of the other openness.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, probably he'd stay for aeron. Yeah, a lot of kumbaya.
They like each other.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
Yeah, did you say ayahuasca or kumbaya? I miss this?
All right, Let's go to the next story, and that's
the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
Colin reports currently indicate Matt Lafleur is in contract negotiations
with the Packers. It sounds like nothing definitive. He's going
to be staying in Green Bay. That's good news for
Edge rusher Micah Parsons, who told the media he wants
his coach to stay.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
I've had my fair shriff coaches and people are honest
league that I've been around, and Matt's one of the
best guys and people like as a person I've been
around since I've been in this league. I'll reached out
to him when I started seeing this and I said, man,
you know, when I agreed to come here, like you
were part of the reason why I came here, I
want you a part is and you know I love you,
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and you know I think you're a great coach. And
you know he appreciated those words, and we had a
brief conversation.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, you shouldn't fire Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
It was a bad game. You could admit it was
a terrible.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
He had a very good first half. Yeah, that's the
coaches half. He out coached Ben Johnson and the coaches half.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
Well. Okay, so he had a better game plan than.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Ben Johnson, but he had that in all three games
against Ben Johnson this season.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Maybe that's his strength.
Speaker 8 (30:36):
Okay, But adjustments are part of coaching.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Well, Kyle Shanahan's not very good at adjustments because he's
never won a game where he trailed entering the fourth
by a touchdown.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Yeah, I mean I've seen that stat How much were
they trailing the Eagles by entering the fourth?
Speaker 8 (30:51):
Was it sixteen to ten or something like that. I
don't know.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
I mean that's I just I like the adjustments for
Dennis Allen and the Bears. They decided, hey, we're gonna
dial up the blitz, We're not going to let Love
sit back and kill us, and I.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
Saw zero adjustments from the floor.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Man.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
I was extremely disappointed that.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Being said, you know, we got some stats on him,
most wins by a head coach in their first seven seasons.
He's tied for second most in the history of football column. Now,
some would argue that's because he had Aaron Rodgers for
a few of those.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
Okay, I mean, I mean, you don't win without a
good quarterback in this league.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
We know that, right the guys won with Malik Willis playing. Yeah,
so I mean, just it's the idea that you'd fly
fire Matt Lafleur, that you're just too close to the forest,
can't see the trees. That's like packer cheesehead guy. I
don't It's just dumb. It shouldn't even be a topic.
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 8 (31:44):
I'm with you. Final story, Let's go to college football.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
You're right, we shouldn't forget about the national championship coming up,
and it will have been a long time between games.
But let's focus on Dante Moore in Oregon. He was
ticketed for my Jets and then he kind of not
a rough one we say against Indiana, fumbling interception on
the first play. But Urban Meyer was on a podcast
and said, if Dante Moore does come out, he hopes
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he gets a chance to develop here we go.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
I just hope if he goes somewhere he can go
sit and learn for a year. Yeah. I hate that
when they throw the I did it? You throw that
rookie quarterback in there, and it's just man, you just
wish you had some veteran guy in front of him.
Dan Rodgers learning from Brett Faire number four, Brent Fare.
So that was the perfect way, well member, for quarterbacks
to have great success.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Yeah, I love Urban when he comes on the ship.
That's just not realistic right now with these teams at
the top. It worked for Patrick Mahomes right with Kansas
City and a playoff team with Alex Smith.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
You know, and I'm dead serious, if the Jets had
a co tighlight like if Dante, if the agents did
a deal and Dante Moore literally through his agent, contacted
the Jets, you can do that and the Jets hired
Kevin Stefanski, I'd come out I'm not coming out for
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the Jets mess and Aaron Glenn, I'd come out of
the Jets hired Kevin Stefanski. I would. If I was
Dante More and really wanted to leave, I would call
my agent. I mean, I've done this a million times.
I call an agent and say, can you give me
a phone number of somebody I want to pay him
a compliment or I want to ask him a question.
Just go to your agent get a hold of the Jets,
find out if Aaron Glenn is absolutely coming back. If
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he is, there's no way I'm going. I'm not because
you'll have to play. It'll be awful. I'm not doing it.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
This idea of sittings sounds great if you're drafting it
like Lamar Jackson thirty two. You know Patrick Mahomes ten
in the teens. You just can't do that at the
top of the draft. The team is there because they
stink and they need a savior. The Jets need a savior.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
And how about this, I don't know that Dante Moore
is that guy. I'll tell you right now. At least
you want to know an under the radar story developing. Please,
Brian Dabol to the Titans.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
You were on this last week. We haven't heard dables
name anywhere.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
I just saw a website, one of the prominent ones
projected the head coaches for every opening. Brian Dables not
listed as a head coach.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
And it's interesting.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
What's that about. Is there some back channel stuff happening.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Somewhere He's interviewing Friday.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
I mean they had just Halfley ticketed for the New
York Giants.
Speaker 8 (34:21):
I mean, if that happens. Just start the mutiny in
New York.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Jeff Hafley, cam Ward Brian Dable.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
That sounds good to me. I don't know what my
Jets do.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I your I on Brian Dable to the Titans.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Sounds like you have some inside information.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Addition, I'm America's honesty broker, also a twenty four to
seven journalist.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
Oh really, big Jay or lowercase Jay? Lowercase okay?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
J mclin Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping
by the Herd Line News.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
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Speaker 7 (35:01):
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Speaker 1 (35:14):
By the way, classes resume for the Miami Hurricanes Monday,
so it'll be the first time now in the playoff
the kids are going to class and playing in the games.
They are about an eight point underdog to the Indiana Hoosiers.
A lot was made like two weeks before the college
football playoff teams were announced. Miami, Notre Dame, Notre Dame Miami,
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who do we pick? The truth is both are going
to be in this college football playoff most of the
next decade. Marcus Freeman and Mario Christobal have a lot
in common. Big confidence, great recruiters, build physically tough, relentless defenses,
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and both schools have big nil money. I said this morning,
if you give me if I had to project top ten,
next ten, the next decade with the transfer portal nil
and the playoffs, who will consistently be in that playoff?
(36:16):
The ten programs that will consistently be in that playoff?
Just to show you, I think a lot of it
is your top booster and your economy. I have three
Texas schools in it, Texas Texas and m and Texas Tech.
They should all be in it. I have Ohio State, Michigan,
Notre Dame, Indiana because of Mark Cuban and their coach,
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Miami big nil money, and USC and Oregon Phil Knight
and the LA economy. I do not have Georgia over
the next ten years. They just a year ago their
top booster passed away. They've lost five players. Georgia has
five dbs in a transfer portal. The best quarterback just
(37:03):
selected Vanderbilt the academic school over Georgia. So I mean
to me when you say, oh, what about Lane Kiff
and LSU, I don't think they'll have the money. I
think Levitt's going to be great, but they won't be
able to build top five six defenses. I think going
forward it's going to be about what is your economy.
(37:23):
Georgia has seventeen fortune five hundred companies, California's got fifty eight.
Texas has fifty four, and I think Texas is going
to catch up to them. So I have three Texas
schools over the next decade, Texas Tech, Texas A and M,
and Texas. I think they'll all be consistently college football
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playoff teams. We know Alabama can't keep up. That we know.
I think there's a reckoning period for Georgia. When I
watched Georgia this year, I didn't see a big distance
between them and Tennessee and them and Auburn, them in
Alabama and Alabama struggling in Alabama and now the players
and now I don't think ole miss going forward. I thought,
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I think it was a great story. They won't be
able to buy both sides of the ball. Here's Mario
Christobaul on facing Indiana as a dog in the in
the Natty.
Speaker 10 (38:19):
We have to prepare for an awesome opportunity. We preach it,
we teach it, and then we go and we we
get away from everybody, just like we did a couple
of weeks ago, the last couple of weeks when we
went on the road, and that's where I know the
process was quote I asked about earlier, It's it's no different.
Just got to shut out the outside world and go
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to work.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, so it's just a new world. We've seen it.
Not only three years in a row with no SEC
team in National Championship. We've seen that. Go look at
who the SEC is beating in the College Football Playoff,
only SEC schools and two they're they're not winning the
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other games. So I think the drop off is precipitous.
I was talking to an agent and NIL agent this
weekend and a one of those ten schools, Northern schools
I talked about, who already has two really good receivers
that will play on Sundays, is bidding on another receiver
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seven figures out of Syracuse. Like that's the kind of
money that's been Like it is it is Notre Dame, Michigan,
Ohio State, three Texas Schools, Phil Night money, USC money.
It's just six seven hundred thousand dollars for off ball linebackers.
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That's the kind of money we're talking about until the
NCAA can get this whole thing fixed. So and Indiana,
I mean again, Indiana's got a great business school, massive alumni.
And I said this two years ago. These big ten
schools are bigger than SEC school. They got forty fifty
thousand people and a lot of good business schools, and
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those kids pour out to the West coast, East coast,
and then they come back to write a check for
football and basketball, especially football. So that's where we are
right now. I think Miami keeps it close for a
while against Indiana. And again, say what you want about
Carson Beck, but this will be his third national championship.
Gaming's in so he's been around the block. My top ten,
(40:29):
next ten there it is Miami SC, Texas, Texas A,
and m Texas Tech, Notre Dame, Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan, Indiana.
Speaker 8 (40:40):
All right, let me ask, uh, sorry, people, what's wrong?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Why is USC in there? What's that about LA's economy?
They just had the best recruiting class. Why they got
their collective in order, and they're building a three hundred
million dollar facility and they're paying Lincoln Riley eighty million
over the next eight years. Money's not an issue.
Speaker 8 (40:59):
Got just make it sure because I'm sure. Yeah, Indiana is.
I love this story.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
College great, it's awesome, great business school. So that that
I didn't say the previous ten. I've got two SEC
teams in there, Texas and Texas A and M Oil
Money remains undefeated. I'm sorry. I mean that that's Texas
Texas nightmare for the SEC two
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Speaker 2 (01:01):
Heard hierarchy, Now go the top ten NFL teams according
to College number eight.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Listen. I'm gonna put Chicago there. Season low in penalties
and penalty yards against Green Bay. I didn't love Ben
Johnson's night in turn. I thought it was a little
desperate in the first half, try to get a little cute,
but they played clean. They're seven to two at home
this year. Nine to two against teams outside of their division.
They're a great fourth quarter team, first win without a takeaway,
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so there's a lot to take from it. They played
a clean game. Caleb was remarkable, but losing their starting
left tackle and linebacker TJ. Edwards is going to hurt
against the Rams. They are not nearly as athletic defensively,
and it's not a great defense to start with without TJ.
Edwards and their left tackle against Jared Verse, I worry
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about the Bears. I have them at eight, number seven
Francisco again. Now you can prepare for the Niners without
George Kittle. You're not losing him in game. Brock Purty
as a pick in four straight games, I don't really care.
What I care is if you look at brock Perty
he's had four game winning drives in six playoff games.
(02:16):
That's what matters to me. They've won eleven straight playoff
games in the wild card or divisional round and that's
you know, a lot of that's Kyle Shanahan. But I
think going into a game without Kittle, very rested Seattle team,
that is a lot to ask. I have them at seven,
number six a Denver. Listen, they're very very good at
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home and eleven and two and one score games. But
there's there's no more Raiders, you know, there's no more
lightweight offenses like the Chargers. And they do lead the
NFL in sacks and allow the fewest sacks. So I
like the roster construct. But they've been held a twenty
or five fewer points in five of the last nine games.
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And I said this, I'm not so sure taking the
week off was good for the young Seahawks or the
inconsistent Broncos. I have them at six, number five Buffalo.
I think Buffalo's probably gonna beat him, and I didn't
think that a couple of weeks ago. But it was
the first road win under McDermott. They've won six of
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seven games. And Josh Allen listen to this. In his
last seven playoff games, Josh Allen nineteen total touchdowns, one pick.
He has a way of getting rid of the mistakes.
They've got their tush push figured out, which they didn't
last year in the playoffs. And I mean, I don't
I think they're offensive personnels better than I give it
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credit for left tackle, quarterback, running back, a couple of
tight ends. I like good slot receiver. I have them
at five number four, but neutral field. I take the Texans.
They've won ten straight. Their defense last night and I
outscored the Steelers offense. I mean Pittsburgh was playing well
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and then all of a sudden they saw Houston and
they weren't. They outgained the Steelers four oh eight. The
one to seventy five. Nico Collins injury is not good,
not good at all. But you know what Woody Marks
is healthy. Christian Kirk CJ. Stroud, I got Houston at
four number three. The Rams, I mean they're beatable because
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I don't like their special teams and they had nine
penalties against the Panthers. They just couldn't lock in and
they're four and three over their last seven games. The
key to beating the Rams is forcing turnovers, so they're
owing three in games with multiple giveaways this year. That's
the way to beat them. Get pressure on Matt Stafford,
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dial up a reckless play, they don't fumble a ton.
That's the way to beat the Rams because when they
play clean and they are healthier than the Bears, they're
thirteen and two. Rams at three number two. I like
New England. You know everybody says, well, I mean they're
two and two against teams you know with winning records. Hey,
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they lost to Buffalo, and they also beat Buffalo. I
don't think in a weird way, it reminds me a
little of the Brady Belichick Patriots. I don't know what
their hole is, but they're not great everywhere. I never
thought Brady had the best receiving corps. For a brief time,
he had the best tight end corps. I never thought
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that the Belichick Patriots had the best pass rush or
the best line backing crew. But they spread the money
around and there was nowhere there were weak And that's
how I look at the Patriots now that Will Campbell
is back at left tackle, two running backs, I like,
there's nothing to pick on with New England. I have
them at two, number one, and I have Seattle at
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one rest advantage over the Niners eight wins by ten
plus points coming up off a bye. They have not
allowed a one hundred yard rusher in twenty six straight games.
You have to throw the ball to beat Seattle, and
brought Perdy when he's got to throw the ball forty
times and Seattle will get a pass rush and there's
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no Kittle underneath to throw it to. Now, that's when
you can get brought purty in trouble. That is my
herd hierarchy. And with that Nick Wright will get the
first stab at it. He is joining us live. Yeah.
I mean when I look at the Bears, I'm like,
they could not afford to lose a left tackle or
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they're really one linebacker that's active and they lost both.
They could have lost a wide receiver, they could have lot.
It's not that they're a bad team. They didn't play clean.
But man, that Rams team right now is really healthy.
I think it anything take your shot at it.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, listen, I agree, given the injuries, under stand where
you have the Bears. I also think what they have
working for them is they are the only team in
this tournament that if the fourth quarter starts on Sunday
or Saturday and they're down two scores, they feel totally
fine about it. The stat of the year for the
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Chicago Bears, Colin is the NFL other than the Bears
down ten plus with five minutes remaining is three and
one hundred.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
And fifty nine.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
The Bears down ten plus five minutes remaining are three
and three. What for everyone else is a five percent
shot is for the Bears. It's not even a five
percent shot for everyone else. For the Bears, it's a
fifty percent shot. And Caleb has shown how specially is
late in these spots. But that's a long way of
saying I agree with you the left tackle injury. The
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defense was already shaky. That was more to me. I
understand the Bears defense stepped up in the second half
at all was a culmination of a season worth of
bad offense for the Eagles for finally coming to I'm
sorry for the season worth, the bad for the Packers,
of the injuries and everything than being able to stop them.
But that I agree with you on the Bears. The
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Texans are a little rich for my blood, Colin, which
is that as great as that defense is, I thought
CJ was brutal yesterday, and I don't trust the offense.
That the Steelers did nothing for forty five minutes and
it's seven to six entering the fourth quarter. The Steelers
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were right there, So the Texans are at touch high.
But other than that, I like where you're out on
the hierarchy. And I thought that the Patriots able to
win with Drake May playing his worst half of the
year was very, very impressive.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Okay, it could have been the last game for Aaron Rodgers.
How will you remember holistically Aaron Rodgers career?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
What a great question. Listen.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I think he is one of the most one of
the five most talented quarterbacks ever. I also think that
you can find specifically three huge spots in the playoffs
where the defense left him drawing dead. Where they allow
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forty four points to Matt Ryan's Falcons in a conference
championship game, where they allow forty five points to Kaepernick
when they score thirty plus win the Niners in a
conference championship game score I think thirty seven, maybe more,
but I know they only threw the ball eight times.
(09:44):
There are instances where Aaron defenders could rightfully say that.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
That's not on himah.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
But there are also instances where in those biggest spots,
be it the famous game against Seattle with the onside kicks.
Everyone remembers the on side kick and the Russell Wilson throw.
What they don't remember is Aaron was brutal throughout the
almost entirety of that game, and it was really remarkable.
The Packers were leading near the final moments for the comeback,
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or the game against Brady where he had the brutal
first half in the conference championship game and then couldn't
get it in score from inside the red zone with
a couple of minutes remaining. Everyone remembers the two hail
Mary game to force overtime and then he never gets
the ball.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Well maybe they don't remember.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Is they were in that spot because that Packers team
had fourteen points fifty nine minutes into a game against
that Cardinals team, and he hadn't played well. He wasn't
at his best in the biggest spots consistently. And I
think part of that was Colin a little on display
last night, like I'm not going to hold last night
(10:54):
against Aaron Rodgers legacy wise.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
But the things you.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Saw last night, which was as the almost hyperbolic body
language letting everyone know it's someone else's fault and what
felt like icing out his best player after the one
drop in dk Metcalf. We have seen those things throughout
his career leading up to it, so it's a complicated legacy.
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He's one of the four greatest regular season quarterbacks ever.
He's one of the five most talented quarterbacks ever, he
has four MVPs, and so this is a compliment and
also probably a bit of a dagger. I look at
his career as underachieving, given how great he was. It
is it's really remarkable that in his second third year
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as a starter they get to the super Bowl and
win it. In his fourth year as a starter, they're
fifteen to one and he's damn near the unanimous MVP,
and he never got to another super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
It's I have a hard time believing it. But I
think some of the things that made you forever skeptical
about him early on, far earlier than me, maybe hurt
him in some of the bigger spots.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, three former packers have told me to my face,
you know, having a coffee or a cocktail, that he's moody.
You're never quite sure which Aaron shows up. But I
also can say simultaneously, he's smart, he's a little trickly,
he can be a little condescending, but he can also
be amazing. And there's as many teammates that love him
that are turned off by him, and that's that's kind
of the complexity of life. So, you know, the way
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I look at Josh Allen, and I think Caleb Williams
is like this is I don't sometimes people. Yesterday I
talked about the gifted child syndrome. I said, you know,
you hear about occasionally, like one out of a thousand
kids they're gifted children, and they're like, at twelve years old,
they're still putting their pants on backwards, but at thirteen
they're taking advanced college calculus, and so the rules are different.
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Like with Caleb Williams, I'm like, I'm going to get
over the completion percentage. He does stuff that nobody except
Josh Allen can do, and Josh Allen's probably better at it.
And I said, I don't know what to make of
Buffalo's first half offense. And I think Josh is the
most talented football player period I've ever seen. I'm about
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tam best quarterback, the most talented football player. How does
that land for you?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Pet Well, I mean you know how it lands for me,
because poorly, you know, I could be really mean here
and be like, man, you sure are damaging your relationship
with your dear friend Tom Brady, because that's now two
guys in the last two years that you've elevated past Brady.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Because you told me Mahomes was.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
The most talented football player I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Now it's Josh Allen. Brady's holding on for a bronze
metal spot. I don't even know what happened to your guy,
Tom Brady. Here's the deal.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
And even in your commentary, you're like, Caleb makes throw
that only other Josh Allen can make.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Listen. I understand Patrick had.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
A bad year, but his games were on TV in
Los Angeles and Chicago, right like we have seen him
do these things. So part of this feels like an
attack on Patrick because he had the audacity to have
a down season after making five out of six Super
Bowls and winning.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Three of them.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
With that set, Josh is an all time great player,
and I got annoyed at this is like meta media conversation.
But going into this game, it felt like some of
Josh Allen's biggest fans were trying to lower the stakes
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for this game and set it up to where like
it would that expecting Josh to find a way to
get a wild card round victory over the Jacksonville Jaguars
was asking too much and being unfair, and I didn't
feel that way at all. And the reason that comment
(14:59):
to Harry bothered me as much as it did is
because if you lower the stakes, if you lower the risk,
you lower the reward. That was a big spot for
Josh Allen. These are a massive postseason for Josh Allen because.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Of who's not there.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
This is a clear path as far as the other
legendary quarterbacks. For Josh Allen, it is all in front
of him, which makes that throw to Brandon Cooks all
the more impressive. Which makes the fact that he basically
played a perfect game on Sunday against a really good
Jags team all the more impressive. It makes the fact
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that two years ago in the playoffs, he had the
ball in his hand down three to win the game
and couldn't come through. Last year, ball in his hand
down three to go winner, tie the game, couldn't come
through this year, ball in his hand down four, and
he does that. That makes it greater. That may it better.
(16:01):
The way someone with legendary talent becomes a legendary player
are these moments. He has been the second best player
in the league for a half decade. The best player
in the league is not there. I understand it's not basketball,
but to the Bills are not the Washington Generals. They
(16:23):
have the rushing champ, they have the best offensive line
in the playoffs arguably or at least top three, and
they have a top five pass defense. They have bad
receivers and a bad run defense, and a superhuman at quarterback.
That team can go win a super Bowl. And it
is not asking too much of Josh Allen to say
we want what you win or lose. What you did
(16:46):
against Jacksonville, even if it's not that prolific against Denver,
that level of execution, that's what we want to see,
and I think he can do it. I think the
super Bowl is going to be Rams Bills. Going into
that Jags game, I thought the winner of that game
was going to go to the super Bowl. Josh is
a special player who's on a could be on a
(17:08):
special run, and I believe in him. Now the greatest
quarterback I've ever seen, or most whatever, however you phrased it.
That's a bridge too far from me. But he's the
best player in the tournament and we'll see what he
can do.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Okay, So I said this yesterday in the show. I said,
Patrick Mahomes, if you're really honest with yourself, has had
back to back years he struggled. Is it because Andy
Reid or Travis Kelcey or I mean he's been doing
it with hamminegg and wide receiver units. I said, no,
his O line stins and like like bottom seven in
(17:41):
the league. And I'm like, he's been blown out twice
in Super Bowls. The reason Brady wasn't one of the reasons,
Dante Scarnekia Brady never had a bad old line. Ever, No,
he didn't have the greatest, but he never had a
battle line.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Patrick Justin Herbert defense, So this is a long bridge
for Justin.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Oh So, Justin Herbert's got the thirty second ranked offensive line.
PFF came out last week and said, no quarterbacks ever
won a playoff game since we've been a company with
an offensive line like that.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Okay, and yeah, they scored more than three points.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
What about that?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
What does PFF say about What does PFF say about
the fact that Justin Herbert I understand, Yeah, I mean
it's never his fault. It can't be his fault. To
just see him at the combine. I mean, the guys
are arm talent. I mean, how we're six years in Colin, Yeah,
he has the second lowest passer rating in the history
(18:37):
of the NFL in the playoffs, the second lowest, you
know as the lowest Andy Dalton. And I've heard people
compare Justin Herbert's on this trajectory Peyton Manning or Matt
Stafford or Matt Ryan. Through six years, he has a
hell of a lot more in common with the career
of Andy Dalton than the career of those legendary players.
(18:58):
And I understand the the offensive line stinks, but the
offensive line stunk all year. Yet for the second straight year,
he had far and away his worst game of the
season in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
For the third straight.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Time in the playoffs, his defense put him in great position.
Whenever we hear about Herbert not having any help, nobody
brings this up.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
In his three career playoff games, his.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Defense has forced ten turnovers.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Ten.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
That is the most turnovers forced by a quarterbacks defense
in a three game losing streak in the history of
the NFL playoffs. Only one quarterback in the last twenty
five years has had their defense force more than three
turnovers in a three game playoff losing streak stretch. It
was Chad Finning ten who's defense force five it is
(19:54):
not unfair to say we now have a growing of
evidence that this guy, for all his talent and ability
and measurables, has simply played his worst in his biggest
spots and has played ten consecutive f minus quarters of
(20:15):
playoff football.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
And everyone who knew the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Offensive line situation, if I had told you the New
England Patriots were going to have six points at halftime,
Drake May was gonna have had his worst half of
the season, the Patriots were gonna have nine points through
three quarters.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Do you think Justin might be able to come through?
Everybody would have said yes, everybody would have been on
board with it.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
And now after the fact, when and now that we've
seen the all twenty two he has guys running open,
We're like, oh man, once again, he needs more help.
Once again, we need to fire this coach or fire
this coordinator. It's if Patrick's Brady, and Josh is Peyton,
and Lamar is big Ben and Burrows Philip Rivers, somebody's
(21:04):
got to be Andy Dalton, Am.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I be your guy? Justin Harber?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I'm just telling you, Okay, finally, you know I don't
like my quarterbacks at the podium had on backwards. I
like them to be like Jalen Hurts and buttoned up,
and I like them to be Dak Prescott. I will say,
Nick Sirianni jawing at aj Brown, I'm like, it's too juvenile.
(21:29):
That's just not like, of course, it's just insane. Like
every the fact that we have to have a security
guard sometimes between the coach and players. Would you move off, Siriani?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Listen, he won the Super Bowl a year ago. I
know they're not going to I also know that this
is this is always a good test. If the Packers
flot fired Matt Lafleur, Colin, Yeah, how many of the
open jobs would.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Say, we don't even need an interview.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
If you'll take our job, you're hired for Matt Lafleur.
Maybe all of them that every job would call Matt
Lafleur and say, at least interview.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I have not come here.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
If the Eagles fired Nick Sirianni, is he a head
coach next year?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I've never quite known what he does because Howie Roseman
picks the players and the coordinators. Previously this year he
got to pick Patullo.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
That didn't go.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Well, you can't say like he's an ego manager guy.
Because of the video we're watching here, He's obviously not
designing sick off into plays. He doesn't call the plays,
so other than jawing and opposing teams fans, I'm not
sure what he does. I also, though, think that for
the Eagles as a whole, and he owns wears this
(22:49):
more than anyone. This was a failure of a Super
Bowl defense, and it was preventable failure because we have
been talking on this show about the Eagles offense going
into half long comas as often as the damn Titans
offense did all year long, and they never got it right.
(23:10):
And so all of a sudden, the Niner, the mass
unit of the Niners defense getting stops and finding a
way to slow them down actually wasn't shocking.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
I was so excited to talk about this.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I was acting like the Bears played them earlier, but
they the Eagles. The Eagles this year since that game
against the Rams, did not score more than twenty points
against a playoff team once. After Week three. They had
a hit and misspassing game all year. They had issued
with aj Brown all year. They couldn't get the saquon
(23:45):
from last year never showed up all year long, so
it wasn't shocking that in the playoff game. Who they
were all year is who they were.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah. By the way, yeah, I want to give you
a little heads up on them. Schefty Schefter just released
this Chargers. Chargers fired their offensive coordinator Greg Roman.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
See shot man.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Another listen, another had another big to the slaughter at
the service of Justin Herbert's arm talent.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
One day, something had to be done.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
One day he will.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Have the perfect situation. You called it.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You love his head coach. The defon's been excellent two
straight years. Everybody, listen, I understand they didn't have the
They were missing both tackles, one of which we knew
was out all year when people were picking this team
to go to the Super Bowl without Rashaun Slater.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I'm sure year seven will be the time Justin Herbert
just plays a mediocre playoff game sixty four career passer rating,
the only player in league history with a lower career
playoff fasser rating. Andy Dalton, I'm just saying there's a
lot of similarities there.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I ran into Andy Dalton once at the JW Marriott
in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I like Andy Dalton. People think that this Andy Dalton
comp is a slight to Herbert. Maybe I just think
more highly of Andy Dalton than everybody else. Andy Dalton
beat out your guy Sam Darnold, my guy Baker Mayfield
in Carolina. Maybe Andy Dalton.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Should put some respect on his name.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
And maybe if you were six sick for the Rocket
armed people would have even though owned four in the playoffs,
owned three in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Good to see you Colin, Good to see you, Nick right,
Greg Rowman, got yeah, listen, it's Herbert. You know, somebody's
gotta pay for that.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
We got good study, you know. I hope we don't
forget about Miami and Indiana National Championship. Let's let's not
forget about that either.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
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Speaker 7 (26:50):
Yeah, Colin, I was a little giddy last night on
that Aaron Rodgers ending. You see everybody going up to
him to congratulate him after the game. Hey man, great career,
Colin didn't with a pick six. His last throw in
the NFL was a pick six. I mean, we all
think he's gonna retire the Texans retreating it that way.
The camera literally followed him around everywhere. They didn't get
the coach's handshake, nothing. Cam Hayward says he still wants
(27:14):
Rogers around Okay, yeah, he's the only one. I think
there's a hard reboot in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 8 (27:21):
But do you think.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Rogers, you know, does another darkness retreat and decides I'm
coming back, man, What do you think?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Well, I just don't think. I never thought it was
a great fit. I thought I kept saying all year,
I think Aaron Rodgers is the comeback player of the year.
I thought the fit was Minnesota. I'll tell you right now.
My take is I would go and look at Minnesota
because I think they're gonna bring somebody else in to
compete with JJ McCarthy. He can't stay healthy, can't make starts.
They're they're not. You can't go into the year saying
(27:50):
we think JJ is gonna play seventeen games. You'd be
lucky if you'd sign up today that it could play ten.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
I scoff at that because he would be exactly copying
Brett Favre, who went Packers, Jets and Vikings and his career.
Speaker 8 (28:08):
I just find it comical.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Sorry, I don't know that that's possible, but hey, quite
quick on Rogers, Colin.
Speaker 8 (28:13):
I had to look this up. Twenty twenty was his
last playoff win.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Twenty twenty we're in twenty twenty six, five years is
on a playoff game.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
The only reason they're in the playoffs with.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
Because Tyler Lup misses a forty four yard field goal
fair and because Burrow missed half the season and Lamar
missed a bunch of games.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
I would go, they're not even in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I don't know. I just I kind of think Aaron's
gonna disappear and we're not gonna have an answer for
a long time. And I think, for the record, I
think Minnesota loves that. So I think Minnesota going into
the draft isn't sure what they're gonna do, so I
think I think after I think Minnesota watched the Vikings
in the draft, what do they do at quarterback? I
would say better than fifty shit. I'll make my guests here.
(28:55):
It's only three things gonna happen. Retire Viking, Okay, two
things hire or Vikings? Is my guest? Right?
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Do you think if Rogers says, hey, Mike, you want
to run it back, that that is more likely for
Tomlin to want to stay versus go to a cushy
TV job.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
Probably take one of the other openness.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, probably he'd stay for aeron. Yeah, a lot of kumbaya.
They like each other.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
Yeah, did you say ayahuasca or kumbaya? I miss this?
All right, Let's go to the next story, and that's
the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
Colin reports currently indicate Matt Lafleur is in contract negotiations
with the Packers. It sounds like nothing definitive. He's going
to be staying in Green Bay. That's good news for
Edge rusher Micah Parsons, who told the media he wants
his coach to stay.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
I've had my fair shriff coaches and people are honest
league that I've been around, and Matt's one of the
best guys and people like as a person I've been
around since I've been in this league. I'll reached out
to him when I started seeing this and I said, man,
you know, when I agreed to come here, like you
were part of the reason why I came here, I
want you a part is and you know I love you,
(30:06):
and you know I think you're a great coach. And
you know he appreciated those words, and we had a
brief conversation.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, you shouldn't fire Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
It was a bad game. You could admit it was
a terrible.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
He had a very good first half. Yeah, that's the
coaches half. He out coached Ben Johnson and the coaches half.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
Well. Okay, so he had a better game plan than.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Ben Johnson, but he had that in all three games
against Ben Johnson this season.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Maybe that's his strength.
Speaker 8 (30:36):
Okay, But adjustments are part of coaching.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Well, Kyle Shanahan's not very good at adjustments because he's
never won a game where he trailed entering the fourth
by a touchdown.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Yeah, I mean I've seen that stat How much were
they trailing the Eagles by entering the fourth?
Speaker 8 (30:51):
Was it sixteen to ten or something like that. I
don't know.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
I mean that's I just I like the adjustments for
Dennis Allen and the Bears. They decided, hey, we're gonna
dial up the blitz, We're not going to let Love
sit back and kill us, and I.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
Saw zero adjustments from the floor.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Man.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
I was extremely disappointed that.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Being said, you know, we got some stats on him,
most wins by a head coach in their first seven seasons.
He's tied for second most in the history of football column. Now,
some would argue that's because he had Aaron Rodgers for
a few of those.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
Okay, I mean, I mean, you don't win without a
good quarterback in this league.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
We know that, right the guys won with Malik Willis playing. Yeah,
so I mean, just it's the idea that you'd fly
fire Matt Lafleur, that you're just too close to the forest,
can't see the trees. That's like packer cheesehead guy. I
don't It's just dumb. It shouldn't even be a topic.
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 8 (31:44):
I'm with you. Final story, Let's go to college football.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
You're right, we shouldn't forget about the national championship coming up,
and it will have been a long time between games.
But let's focus on Dante Moore in Oregon. He was
ticketed for my Jets and then he kind of not
a rough one we say against Indiana, fumbling interception on
the first play. But Urban Meyer was on a podcast
and said, if Dante Moore does come out, he hopes
(32:09):
he gets a chance to develop here we go.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
I just hope if he goes somewhere he can go
sit and learn for a year. Yeah. I hate that
when they throw the I did it? You throw that
rookie quarterback in there, and it's just man, you just
wish you had some veteran guy in front of him.
Dan Rodgers learning from Brett Faire number four, Brent Fare.
So that was the perfect way, well member, for quarterbacks
to have great success.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Yeah, I love Urban when he comes on the ship.
That's just not realistic right now with these teams at
the top. It worked for Patrick Mahomes right with Kansas
City and a playoff team with Alex Smith.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
You know, and I'm dead serious, if the Jets had
a co tighlight like if Dante, if the agents did
a deal and Dante Moore literally through his agent, contacted
the Jets, you can do that and the Jets hired
Kevin Stefanski, I'd come out I'm not coming out for
(33:06):
the Jets mess and Aaron Glenn, I'd come out of
the Jets hired Kevin Stefanski. I would. If I was
Dante More and really wanted to leave, I would call
my agent. I mean, I've done this a million times.
I call an agent and say, can you give me
a phone number of somebody I want to pay him
a compliment or I want to ask him a question.
Just go to your agent get a hold of the Jets,
find out if Aaron Glenn is absolutely coming back. If
(33:28):
he is, there's no way I'm going. I'm not because
you'll have to play. It'll be awful. I'm not doing it.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
This idea of sittings sounds great if you're drafting it
like Lamar Jackson thirty two. You know Patrick Mahomes ten
in the teens. You just can't do that at the
top of the draft. The team is there because they
stink and they need a savior. The Jets need a savior.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
And how about this, I don't know that Dante Moore
is that guy. I'll tell you right now. At least
you want to know an under the radar story developing. Please,
Brian Dabol to the Titans.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
You were on this last week. We haven't heard dables
name anywhere.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
I just saw a website, one of the prominent ones
projected the head coaches for every opening. Brian Dables not
listed as a head coach.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
And it's interesting.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
What's that about. Is there some back channel stuff happening.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Somewhere He's interviewing Friday.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
I mean they had just Halfley ticketed for the New
York Giants.
Speaker 8 (34:21):
I mean, if that happens. Just start the mutiny in
New York.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Jeff Hafley, cam Ward Brian Dable.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
That sounds good to me. I don't know what my
Jets do.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I your I on Brian Dable to the Titans.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Sounds like you have some inside information.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Addition, I'm America's honesty broker, also a twenty four to
seven journalist.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
Oh really, big Jay or lowercase Jay? Lowercase okay?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
J mclin Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping
by the Herd Line News.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and Neon Easter not a Empacific.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Fox College Troops Friday features a prime time Big twelve
battle as Baylor looks to take down bill Selfs Kansas Jayhawks,
and all tips off Friday night, eight eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
By the way, classes resume for the Miami Hurricanes Monday,
so it'll be the first time now in the playoff
the kids are going to class and playing in the games.
They are about an eight point underdog to the Indiana Hoosiers.
A lot was made like two weeks before the college
football playoff teams were announced. Miami, Notre Dame, Notre Dame Miami,
(35:34):
who do we pick? The truth is both are going
to be in this college football playoff most of the
next decade. Marcus Freeman and Mario Christobal have a lot
in common. Big confidence, great recruiters, build physically tough, relentless defenses,
(35:55):
and both schools have big nil money. I said this morning,
if you give me if I had to project top ten,
next ten, the next decade with the transfer portal nil
and the playoffs, who will consistently be in that playoff?
(36:16):
The ten programs that will consistently be in that playoff?
Just to show you, I think a lot of it
is your top booster and your economy. I have three
Texas schools in it, Texas Texas and m and Texas Tech.
They should all be in it. I have Ohio State, Michigan,
Notre Dame, Indiana because of Mark Cuban and their coach,
(36:40):
Miami big nil money, and USC and Oregon Phil Knight
and the LA economy. I do not have Georgia over
the next ten years. They just a year ago their
top booster passed away. They've lost five players. Georgia has
five dbs in a transfer portal. The best quarterback just
(37:03):
selected Vanderbilt the academic school over Georgia. So I mean
to me when you say, oh, what about Lane Kiff
and LSU, I don't think they'll have the money. I
think Levitt's going to be great, but they won't be
able to build top five six defenses. I think going
forward it's going to be about what is your economy.
(37:23):
Georgia has seventeen fortune five hundred companies, California's got fifty eight.
Texas has fifty four, and I think Texas is going
to catch up to them. So I have three Texas
schools over the next decade, Texas Tech, Texas A and M,
and Texas. I think they'll all be consistently college football
(37:46):
playoff teams. We know Alabama can't keep up. That we know.
I think there's a reckoning period for Georgia. When I
watched Georgia this year, I didn't see a big distance
between them and Tennessee and them and Auburn, them in
Alabama and Alabama struggling in Alabama and now the players
and now I don't think ole miss going forward. I thought,
(38:08):
I think it was a great story. They won't be
able to buy both sides of the ball. Here's Mario
Christobaul on facing Indiana as a dog in the in
the Natty.
Speaker 10 (38:19):
We have to prepare for an awesome opportunity. We preach it,
we teach it, and then we go and we we
get away from everybody, just like we did a couple
of weeks ago, the last couple of weeks when we
went on the road, and that's where I know the
process was quote I asked about earlier, It's it's no different.
Just got to shut out the outside world and go
(38:40):
to work.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, so it's just a new world. We've seen it.
Not only three years in a row with no SEC
team in National Championship. We've seen that. Go look at
who the SEC is beating in the College Football Playoff,
only SEC schools and two they're they're not winning the
(39:02):
other games. So I think the drop off is precipitous.
I was talking to an agent and NIL agent this
weekend and a one of those ten schools, Northern schools
I talked about, who already has two really good receivers
that will play on Sundays, is bidding on another receiver
(39:25):
seven figures out of Syracuse. Like that's the kind of
money that's been Like it is it is Notre Dame, Michigan,
Ohio State, three Texas Schools, Phil Night money, USC money.
It's just six seven hundred thousand dollars for off ball linebackers.
(39:45):
That's the kind of money we're talking about until the
NCAA can get this whole thing fixed. So and Indiana,
I mean again, Indiana's got a great business school, massive alumni.
And I said this two years ago. These big ten
schools are bigger than SEC school. They got forty fifty
thousand people and a lot of good business schools, and
(40:06):
those kids pour out to the West coast, East coast,
and then they come back to write a check for
football and basketball, especially football. So that's where we are
right now. I think Miami keeps it close for a
while against Indiana. And again, say what you want about
Carson Beck, but this will be his third national championship.
Gaming's in so he's been around the block. My top ten,
(40:29):
next ten there it is Miami SC, Texas, Texas A,
and m Texas Tech, Notre Dame, Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan, Indiana.
Speaker 8 (40:40):
All right, let me ask, uh, sorry, people, what's wrong?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Why is USC in there? What's that about LA's economy?
They just had the best recruiting class. Why they got
their collective in order, and they're building a three hundred
million dollar facility and they're paying Lincoln Riley eighty million
over the next eight years. Money's not an issue.
Speaker 8 (40:59):
Got just make it sure because I'm sure. Yeah, Indiana is.
I love this story.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
College great, it's awesome, great business school. So that that
I didn't say the previous ten. I've got two SEC
teams in there, Texas and Texas A and M Oil
Money remains undefeated. I'm sorry. I mean that that's Texas
Texas nightmare for the SEC two
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