January 15, 2026 • 40 mins
Colin talks to college football analyst Joel Klatt about the National Championship game, if Miami has a chance, Daunte Moore staying at Oregon, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go. Hour Two's Thursday. Joel Clad around the corner,
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are live. We're in Chicago. It's the Herd. Wherever you
may be and however you may be listening, Thanks for
making us part of your day. So it was funny.
I was on Seattle radio this morning and they asked me,
what's your trust level for Sam Darnold, And it's like, well,
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he won in Carolina, didn't start a lot, but he
had a winning record, and you wont in Minnesota and
you want in Seattle and nobody works with the Jets.
He's not going to get shorter, less athletic, less committed,
less focused against the forty nine ers. I've always been
a Sam fan. It's never wavered. I thought he was
too talented, too good of an arm two athletic, too strong,
too committed, too coachable, not to be successful at some level.
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Twenty eight and six the last two years, which is
the best record in football. But the thing is he
had really you know, first impressions are powerful. Kevin Hart
apparently bombed early in his career and was booed off
the stage. Nobody saw it, right, Nobody watched it. Sam
Darnold was against Belichick Sunday night football, Monday night football,
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most popular sport in the country, playing in New York.
We all saw it. But I mean, that's the reality
nobody remembers because the first impressions with Jordan were so great.
Nobody remembers the Wizard years, the first impressions with Aaron Rodgers,
who sat for three years, nobody remembers. Nobody thinks about
the fact that in his last thirty three games he's
fifteen and eighteen, he said like a one three hundred
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yard game, no playoff wins in five or six year.
Because there's such strong identification of those early great years
that it washes over everything. It's like an actor. If
you're good, you go good early. Nobody cares about late.
Bill Murray has had so many hits early. Nobody cares
what he's doing now, right, doesn't matter. But with Sam
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it's the opposite. But in the last two years he's
been better than mahomes He's won more games, he's got
more passing yards, his completion percentage is higher, he's got
a better record, he's got more touchdowns. Last two years,
he's better than Patrick Mahomes. So and that you know. So,
do I doubt Sam Darnold, No, I don't. Does Sam
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sometimes play a little frenetic under pressure. Absolutely, But the
Niners don't have a Bosa And if he does face
the Texans, which could speed him up, you know it
would be in the Super Bowl. So the Chris Shula
Rams defense has given him real trouble. But remember Sam's
twenty eight years old. He is younger than Lamar Jackson.
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And you think brought perty as a kid, and Sam's
a veteran. Purty's twenty six. Sam's twenty eight. He's just
now moving in to his prime years. He probably moved
into his prime last year. Quarterback primes about seven years,
probably about twenty seven ish. I mean, really, when the
light goes on twenty six, twenty seven ish to thirty
three ish, so I always thought he'd be really good.
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Here's the amazing thing about Sam back to back first
quarterback ever ever all time, back to back seasons with
fourteen wins and four thousand yards. It's even more impressive.
He did it with two different teams. Now Mahomes has
done it, but not in back to back years. Fourteen
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wins and four thousand yards. It's just incredibly rare. Well,
he had this and he had that. Seattle's the second
youngest team in the league. Minnesota is good. They don't
have the Eagles roster. So he's a very unique talent.
But in big games like this one, you face better coaching.
And Tom Brady talked about that last hour.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
When you get to these big moments in big games,
whether that's you know, certainly playoffs or some of these
games have happened at the end of the year, determined
whether going to get in or not. The margin of
air when you play good teams is just very small.
So that's where the fundamentals come into play. You have to,
you know, in order to throw the ball accurate, okay,
and if you throw it accurately, make the decisions.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
You're not going to throw a lot of interceptions.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
It's over time.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
You need to refine your techniques so that when you
get these big moments, you're as accurate as you can
possibly be because you have the least margin of air.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So Robert Salah is a great coordinator. Sam's problems have
usually been and he doesn't have a great O line
the left side of it Crossabel's pretty good center overs okay,
not great, Okay, When you can rush Sam, he gets frenetic,
he gets into He's like a shooter that gets into
a bad streak, takes bad shots and misses them badly.
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He can get into that. But I'll say this Stafford
seven picks and seven games frog Perty's had bad picks
his whole career. But I would say Stafford, Purty and
Donald also have a gift, which is a short memory.
It doesn't affect their next throw. So I mean, if
you go to look at the last two years for Sam,
Donald Colin, do you trust them against San Francisco. He's
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not getting shorter, slower, less of an arm less dynamic.
I mean he is top three and virtually everything over
the last couple of years. So I mean he was
a successful at USC winning record. Carolina great Minnesota Great Seahawks. Yeah,
it was a mess for the Jets, but he was
twenty years old. When Dante Moore elected to go back
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to Oregon yesterday and not the NFL, worry would have
gone to the Jets. One of the first things you
thought about, and I thought about, was, oh, it'll be
like Sam Darnold. He's a West Coast quarterback with a
really good team. He's really, really talented, but he's really
young going to New York. Sam Darnald showed up in
New York at twenty. Dante Moore would show up in
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New York at twenty. And that's that's why I kept
when I looked at Dante Moore and I don't know
his comp with Donald who's the better prospect. I have
no idea. They're both very good, but they're not good
enough to overcome the Jets. Again, it'd be different if
the Jets hired John Harbaugh and instead of the Giant,
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I'd feel different. I mean, Mike Ravel and Gerrod Mayo
and the Patriots are a different team, all right. And
with that, Joel Klatt, who watched plenty of Sam Dardal
believing with that USC is now joining US, so a
lot of people are saying this, and I don't think
they're wrong. Indiana is a eight point favorite over Miami.
I do think it's going to be in the trenches.
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Miami can disrupt some of the offensive flow for Indiana.
I think it's going to be a really good game.
People have said, I mean that, does Indiana have a weakness?
Can you identify anything about Indiana where you're like, well,
they're not great here. I don't see anything they're really
bad at. But is there a way to attack them
or a way to slow down the offense where they're
not as efficient?
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Yeah, it's a great question and premise. I think in
the games where let's just start with the games where
they were close, because I mean, obviously they're undefeat they're.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Beating the teams badly.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Penn State was a close game, Iowa was a close game,
Oregon was a decently close game, and then Ohio State
in the Big Ten championship game. The one through line
to some of those matchups, Colin was the ability maybe
not to stop completely their running game, but certainly control
their running game. Yeah, because I think the secret sauce
to Indiana is that even though they have Mendoza, who's
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going to be the first pick and is playing at
as high a level as we've seen since maybe Mac
Jones and Joe Burrow. At this stage of the season.
He's playing at such a high level. There's still a
run first offense. In fact, if you look at their
play selection now, granted they've had the lead and they're
going to run clock, but Colin, they've run the ball
ninety times to only thirty six passes in their two
playoff games. Wow, that's a staggering percentage, you know. And
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so you have to start with the premise that you
can't let them control the game on the ground. The
thing that they do best better than anybody else in
college football is get themselves into manageable third down situations.
It's what makes them the number one third down offense
in America. And it's the premise of being on schedule,
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on schedule, on first down, on second down, and it
starts with their ability to run the football. So that's
why I would start to try to hurt them. You
also ask like, well, where where aren't they good? To
be honest, I can't find it. They're good on special teams,
they tackle, well, let's just put it to you this way.
If you're going to measure a team's soundness, how well
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they're coach, you would measure things like mistackles, penalties, turnovers,
field position, right, all these things that you feel like
you can control. They're one of the best teams in
the country in every one of those categories. And so
it really is wild and I think Miami's going to
have to play nearly flawless, certainly mistake free in order
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to win this game.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I remember watching the Penn State game and I had
missed the first quarter of it, and I started watching
and I'm making lunch, and all of a sudden, I'm
watching Penn State with a backup quarterback march up and
down the field against Indiana. I'm like, oh my god,
we got an upset here. What is happening? And that's
one of the only times all year where I felt
Indiana was reeling a little bit. It was like they
were on their heels a little bit, and Penn State
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was just moving at eight yard chunk, eight yard, six
yard eight yard. So, I mean their.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Kids and Penn State ran it really well that day, yep,
you know, And so I think you've got to be
which listen that leans into Miami. Mark Fletcher has been
outstanding during the course of this playoff. I think he's
averaging I want to say what I'm happened right here,
one hundred and thirty six per game on the ground.
I mean, like he's he's been outstanding for them, and
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it's allowed Beck to play like Mendoza in third and manageable,
like Beck hasn't had to be in a ton of
obvious down situations and to the benefit of that team.
And if they can do that against Miami, then you
know they'll have a chance. But the play that you're
showing right now, if you're watching on FS one, it
was it was the long play. They don't throw the
ball down the field. Their big plays are generally catch
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and run, like Malachai Toni at the line of scrimmage. Yeah,
he's you know, Beck is one for eleven in the
playoff on balls that are thrown twenty or more yards
down the field. So this is going to be at
or near the line of scrimmage. This is the type
of game that it's going to be for them.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, the SEC was two and eight against non conference
opponents in the balls in college football, this year. This
week I offered something, I put it on the screen.
I called it best ten in the next ten. I said,
all things considered, nil, Transfer Portal three Texas schools, Texas
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Texas and Texas Tech will be in the ten. Phil
Knight Oregon, Signetti, Mark Cuban, Indiana, Michigan, Notre Dame because
of endowments. Ohio State's totally committed. Then I said ten's
not Georgia. I said ten's usc because I just watched
them spend thirty million bucks to buy the number one
recruiting class. So okay, but here's my take on Georgia.
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So clearly Alabama is not what they were three years ago.
I think that's clear.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Josh Pate told me this yesterday. He says people look
at Georgia and think, oh, they get that Coca Cola
money in that Delta Airline money. Just no, they don't.
Atlanta's never embraced it. The big money in Atlanta does
not give to Georgia. So I guess my takeaway is
we have a chance for a third straight Big ten
team to win a Natty, not even playing an SEC team.
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My question, if you look at the top eight quarterbacks
in the country. Next year you can argue six are
in the Big ten. Is it possible the gap is widening,
not shrinking, I think if you so.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
I did this on my show as well, talked about
the exact same thing in a little different way, you know,
in terms of this idea of conference supremacy. Let me
start with the premise that I think it's bad for
college football that we constantly have this conversation.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I really do. I think that it is.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
It is a narrative that needs to die because part
of the problem in college football column from an overarching perspective,
is that all the decisions are made in silos and
everyone's just making decisions that benefit them. There's never been
a time in college football where the powers that be,
whether it's conference commissioners and or presidents, have come together
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and made a decision that's better for the whole like
the NFL owners did years and years and years ago.
And we obviously see the product that we have on
the field with the National Football League. So when we
when when we continually argue about the silos and which
one is better, then the whole motivation of the people
within those organizations is to be considered the better silo.
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So as long as we continue to breathe life into
the narrative of like which conference is better, which conference
is better, then we're going to continue to get decisions
in college football that that fracture us and make us
more fragmented.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So that's that's just like an overarching argument.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
And I'm not saying that this isn't a fascinating discussion
and we shouldn't maybe have this discussion.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Maybe maybe I am, but I.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Would tell you this, if you look at the last
three years, an SEC team has not competed for a
national championship in now three straight years. Georgia hasn't even
been in the in the semi finals in three straight years.
Maybe to your point, although USC is not, you know,
playing at the top into college football, not even near
it quite frankly right now, zero to four, that's the
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SEC record against the Big Ten in the last two
years in the playoff when it matters most. So you
can't argue like, oh, it's just bowl games. These are blowouts,
blowout and some blowouts. That's exactly right if you look
at the draft, And that was kind of the last
argument of the folks that really hang on to this
SEC deal is that the draft was all filled with
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SEC players. Yes, there's a lot of SEC players. That's
that margin is basically gone. Now you look at the
last couple of drafts and you know the players are
spread out. And then I would offer this as my
last kind of thought on this exact topic. Just a question,
and let me just pose it. Was it really an
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entire conference that dominated college football? Or was it the
greatest singular coach that we've ever seen in the history
of college football? Was it the SEC? Or was it
Alabama that owned college football? Now, granted there's a few
other years. Yeah, LSU was phenomenal in nineteen and Georgia
rose up in twenty one and twenty two, and yes,
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you know cam Newton rose. There are individual instances, just
like we have littered throughout college football and every other conference,
where a team rises and falls and rises and falls.
But the narrative of the SEC really was on the
coattails of Nick Saban in Alabama. Well, now that they
don't have that, you know, maybe it's over. But my
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eyes don't fool me.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Last year Ohio State humiliated SEC teams physically at the
end of the year. Yes, Indiana is humiliating SEC teams.
My eyes aren't deceiving me. The SEC is not as fast,
it's not intimidating.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
It's just a we'll spread out. Well, it's just spread out.
And you know those that are really I mean, and
you and I have said this. You know, for years
the thought was that the SEC was under the table.
And I don't know how many programs were or not.
I know that there were some, and it wasn't exclusively
in the SEC. But there is a thought within coaching circles.
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I'm not talking about fans or media, within coaching circles.
And I've had these conversations or coaches that are not
in the SEC and have not been in the SEC
look at me and they say, well, we're finally all
paying players a little different now, And that's you know,
that's that's a real thing.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Okay. So I think we both know Dante Moore going
to college is good for Dante, good for Oregon, good
for everybody. Tye Simpson said, I'm going pro and he
would have made a lot of money in college. How
do you view I mean, ty Simpson to me, he's
got an NFL arm, no question. He doesn't move. I
don't think he's Mendoz as a prospect size. I don't
think he's Dante more the move, or maybe I think
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tis an NFL first second round prospect. That's what it
looks like to me. Do you view him? How do
you view him?
Speaker 5 (16:56):
So?
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I think he's a really talented thrower of the football.
He makes some big boy throws, he really does, and
really good arm. Now he's not a big guy. He's
not a big guy by any stretch of the imagination.
And when you're not big, I get a bit worried
about your ability to stay healthy unless you can move,
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you know. So if you bring up like well, Joel,
there's a lot of small quarterbacks. Yeah, okay, Kyler as
quick as a hiccup, you know, and he's still banged up,
and yet he's that elusive.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Bryce Young has some elusiveness.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Russell Wilson had a ton of elusiveness in particular at
the peak of his career. You know, Baker is elusive.
He's not a huge guy, and Simpson doesn't really have that.
So I'm a bit nervous about his size. But when
it comes to just his pure ability to read the defense,
stand in there and make big throws, he has that ability,
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there's no doubt. And as it always comes down to
unless you're a generational talent, which I don't know if
ty is, is that it matters where you go. And
so now it's all about fit yep coach city GM owner.
That's his entire NFL career, at least early at his
first location is going to be determined about in terms
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of where he best fits and if he gets into
that spot.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
All right, Indiana twenty seven Miami seventeen. That's what it
feels like to me. Indiana cannot run the ball consistently,
but in the end, I think they're a cleaner team.
They make fewer mistakes, fewer penalties, fewer drops, And I
think Miami can be harder to coach because I think
they have so much length and speed and explosiveness and Mario.
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To beat Indiana needs to be aggressive. They need to
make a player two like over the top, play defensively
block a kick. So my take is the cleaner team
will win, but it won't look like most Indiana wins.
It's not going to be Indiana, Illinois, Indiana, Alabama, Indiana,
Oregon twice. I think I think it's a lot of trenches,
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a lot of mid thirty around the thirty yard line stuff.
My take yours.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
I think I'm actually absolutely in line with this. I
think that it's going to be a frustrating game for
Indiana as much as they get frustrated because I think
that they're final. Listen, they didn't lose their mind against
Ohio State in a low scoring affair that was a
difficult game, and Penn State the same, Iowa is the same.
But I do think it's going to be a style
of game like that, where it's close and then it
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becomes about mistakes in which team is losing the game
and not winning game. And there's one thing I know
about Indiana and that is they do not make mistakes.
And I can't say the same about Miami. So I'm
going to go the same direction. I think I had
something along the lines of like thirty five twenty four.
You know, Indiana scores late and kind of takes a
two possession lead, and I would expect the way Indiana
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plays their turnover margin, I think beck is going to
make a mistake in this game, and I think that's
going to ultimately be the difference.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Joe Klatt wait to watch it. Say what you want
about Carson Beck third Natties and so he's got you're
not gonna be Jimmy. I mean he's experienced. Yeah, I've
been in a ton of these games. Can't wait. Last
team to go sixteen and oh or go undefeated in
college football? I think it was sixteen and oh. I
looked it up. I hadn't heard of a lot of
their players. Was the Yale in the eighteen hundreds?
Speaker 6 (20:20):
Okay, so maybe Yale to it. I don't think modern
college football has never happened. We've had a couple of
these fifteen and oh, obviously in recent vintage, but man
to do it in this era of more parody, and
to do it at Indiana, they were the losingest program
in history to start the year, and it's wild.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
It blows my mind. It's unbelievable. Joe Klack, great stuff,
my man, Thanks Bud, have a good day you too. Yeah,
it's some eighteen hundred Yale team apparently was just knocking
the socks off people between the drama club and their
football team. Back then, everybody was afraid of Yale lit
great stuff. Oh did they The staff just told me this.
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They invented the forward pass Yale did. I don't know.
I just you know, you live and learn. I drove
by what's that? What's that bowl that Harvard and Yale
played at. I drove by that a few times. It's
like legendary. It's this legendary field they play at. And uh,
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sixteen and oh just I mean again, it's not sixteen
and oh in the Mountain West. It's sixteen and oh
in the Big ten in the playoff. Hard to wrap
your brain around it.
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seven to seventeen. I like Indiana, but I think Miami
is a live dog physically, can impose their will, may
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be able to run the football a little and slow
down Indiana's run game, which slows down their play action
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Speaker 8 (22:56):
All right, let's go to that Bears Rams game.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
Bears are going to have to win on the ground, Colin,
and they haven't really done that last two games. Just
a bucks sixty rushing the football. Ben Johnson says, that's
got to change.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
It feels like it's dipped a little bit. Not something that.
Speaker 10 (23:13):
We certainly want, certainly late in the season, we wanted
that to pick up playoffs weather games like this, you
certainly want to be able to lean on your run game.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
So those are some elements we're looking at.
Speaker 10 (23:25):
What can we do to help ignite that is both
efficient runs to stay on track and ahead of the chains,
and also explosive runs as well.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Where can we find a few of those?
Speaker 9 (23:36):
Yeah, their best BET's going to be to keep the
Rams offense off the field. That's going to be a
lot of mono guy Swift tall.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
Order for the Bears.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Cole Comet, Yeah, it's going to be.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
Cold and down your left tackle as well.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, I worry about losing Edwards. Yep, it's I mean,
you saw Jordan Love in that first half is kind
of going up and down the field. I mean, and
they were fooling Chicago tackling wasn't great. It was. It
was a pretty ugly first half. So I mean, that's
what the Rams are looking at. Can they manipulate veteran
quarterback there? It's not a great defense to begin with.
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When you lose one of your playmakers. It's rough.
Speaker 9 (24:13):
Yeah, it's just I know people don't want to hear it.
In Chicago, Collin they got lucky. I mean, let they
there's no way around it. It was one of the
biggest comebacks in the fourth quarter and playoff history. You
said the Packers kind of moved the ball. Their first
three drives were touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
There's like, no, they couldn't do anything.
Speaker 9 (24:31):
And the Rams have a better offense than the Packers
with a better head coach. So it's just a tough
I'm surprised this is sitting on three and a half.
I was I was praying for a three. That's when
you empty the bank account on the Rams. But I
don't know if the Bears pull this off. I don't
even know what to say at this, but you run
out of adjectives for Ben Johnson and these guys.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
All right, let's move on to D.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Forty nine Ers the game Brady talked about earlier forty
nine or Seattle very tall order for San Franz. They
are seven point underdogs, even though the teams split the
season series. Brock perty he knows about the injuries. He says,
I'm not worried.
Speaker 11 (25:08):
At the end of the day. For us, it's like,
you know, we just focus on ourselves, man, And we
watched the film against Philly and and all of us
were all so eager to get better from that and
then obviously to you know, we're in the playoffs now,
so it's you know, we stay We stayed alive and
we're alive right now. So for us, how can we
just go and find a way and you know, play
together and play our standard of ball as the forty
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nine ers.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
So that's how we look at it.
Speaker 9 (25:33):
Good launch on the spot here, Colin better head coach
in this game?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Well they're both great.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
It's just fine. You could just could be truthful.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
One's better offensively, one's better defensively. Why does it always
have to be better?
Speaker 9 (25:48):
Well, I'm trying to get to uh. I was giving
you a softball, Shanahan. Obviously nothing against the other guy.
Who's the better quarterback in this game?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Who's more talented? Sam Darnold?
Speaker 8 (26:00):
Is that now what I asked, sir?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I said last two years, Sam Darnold? I mean wins yards, completions, touchdowns,
and healthy, doesn't get banged up.
Speaker 9 (26:12):
Does it feel like this is house money for Brock perty? No,
what do you mean you wanted in Philadelphia? Threw two
picks and they still won the game with a game
winning drive by Perty.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
I mean, I think.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Getting I think this game feels thirteen to ten, middle
of the third. I think Seattle pulls away late. I
think it's a very close game. Thirteen to ten could
be San Francisco leading middle of the third. I think
Seattle will be a little conservative, deeper roster at home favored.
Let's not put ourselves in the crosshairs of trouble. I
think San Francisco will play inspired. Nobody says they can win.
(26:47):
They're a live dog, They've got a great coach. San Francisco,
to me, is going to lead this game at some point,
and it could be middle of the third. But I
do think at home Seattle's defense, brock perties On a
Haitian when rushed, can make a mistake, and that Witherspoon,
I mean that that Seattle defensive front is just It's
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like Tom Brady said, dude, They're just they just rotate guys.
It's just I mean, they got six guys that are
in and out. They're fresh laid into games. I think
defensive lines decide games like this. Speeding up quarterback Darnold's
clearly gonna have more time to throw than brock Purty
over the course of three and a half hours, I
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don't think we could deny that that brock Perty, he'll
probably you He'll probably a little more rushed on average
over the course of a game that tends to be
an advantage for the quarterback that's not rushed.
Speaker 9 (27:38):
I know Seattle boxed him in San Fraan a couple
of weeks ago. But if McCaffrey doesn't drop the inner,
the pass inside the five falls in the hands of
the Seattle guy, it's a one score game and where
it's interesting, right, but he does and now it's like, oh,
Seattle killed him. The NFL is just the margins are
so thin. Let's go to the final story, and that
is Mike Vrabel and the New England Patriots. Boy, that
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game against the Texas, I'm excited for this. Look at
that line Colin three and a half point favorites. Wow,
I'm stunned, especially after what the Texans did to Aaron
Rodgers and they sent Mike Tomlin into retirement. Uh, here's
Rabel talking about the Houston defense, which is nasty this face.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Yeah, of course, you know.
Speaker 12 (28:20):
I mean they have great talent, great scheme, They play
hard and respect how hard they play, and they're just
not only talented, but they have a play demeanor that
I can appreciate.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
There's talent, length, you know, effort.
Speaker 12 (28:37):
They don't if they get blocked, they don't stay blocked long.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
They play hard against the run.
Speaker 12 (28:43):
It's not just if you run the ball that they're
they're taking plays off.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
So yeah, two really good. Uh you know book ends.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, I like what he said there. When you I
knew length, they don't stay blocked long. They're like a
really good recovering. Good defenses recover quickly because you can
fool people, you know, you there's no question you pool people.
They Seeattle and Houston. When you fool them, they course
correct catch up very quickly. So you don't get a
lot of big plays because there's not a lot of
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big gaps like last weekend when the when the Packers
fooled the Bears in the first half, there were huge,
huge openings, long Tarmacs, long runways. You don't get that
against Seattle. In Houston, if you fool them, there's it's
like they're playing with an extra due. You know, you
get about four yards to run, then there's a host
of guys around you.
Speaker 9 (29:31):
Remember you, I think you had the point on Tuesday
that on that opening drive, first second drive, the Steelers
had a couple of plays and Rogers was like, oh
my gosh, he was very excited and animated. And then
after that, they just shut everything down. It was like
they just turned the water off. No, that's enough, you're
not doing anything.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, I mean Aaron came in. You could tell Aaron
New we got to put a couple of plays. They're
gonna work. They did, and when they had the punt,
it's like, Aaron New, that's trouble because there's not a
lot to fools these guys.
Speaker 9 (29:56):
Patriots have a rookie left tackle in Campbell going up
against one of the all pro ed rushers, you know
that kid Petre in the secondary. Dude, he is a missile.
He is hitting so hard. He's got the big helmet,
which is kind of deceptive because those guys are usually
you know, like not wanting the contact. He wants all
the smoke. And I just I'm kind of in love
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with the sex and team. I know we have a
Houston Homer on staff. I think they win this outright,
But then again, I picked against the Patriots last weekend.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Looked like a fool.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I thought this was informative and interesting. Apparently, when Mike
Tomlin informed the team, the Steeler team that he was
going to step away. It was really emotional. I mean,
players one by one were coming up and giving great
gratitude and humility and thank you coach. Kind of the
opposite of what happens in college football because of the calendar.
You're always like leaving town on the midnight train as
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a college coach, and in the NFL it's usually ugly
because the coach gets canned, or even Belichick leaves and
it's surly and the owner and the coach are mad
at each other. Players have always, especially veteran players, have
always loved Tomlin. In fact, I called the GM yesterday
and I said, why why doesn't Tomlin have a coaching tree.
We called it yesterday a coaching cactus. There's no tree,
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And he said, because Tomlin doesn't have a hot shot, young,
ascending McVeigh and his staff or a Shanahan. He likes
older players and older staffs. He's very old school, and
I think what that gives you is a higher floor
and a lower ceiling. You don't have the ascending, hot
shot offensive coordinator on your staff. That's just not what
he does. He likes his players older. He tends to
(31:38):
be old school in his ideology. He likes his staffs
to be a tad older and that's okay. That avoids implosion,
but you don't get fresh ideas and you don't see things,
you know, a new set of eyes. So but I
will tell you this, he is more than a coach.
He connects with players on a personal level level. Emmanuel
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Sanders talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 13 (32:02):
The moment that I got there, he was like a
father figure to me.
Speaker 9 (32:05):
Uh.
Speaker 13 (32:05):
The things that he taught me in terms of investing
my money and the wayed to think.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
And that's what type of player coach he is.
Speaker 13 (32:11):
He's always going to give it to you, real role,
authentic uh, and.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
You know it.
Speaker 13 (32:17):
Depending on how you take it, you might not like it,
but you know that he has your best interest.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And that's why I always love him, man.
Speaker 13 (32:23):
And he was one of those guys that truly was
a blessing for me to get drafted with him because
he just changed my whole mindset in the way that
I was thinking about going about my business.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, it's aid Mike Tomalin highly respected. You know, the
NFL's got younger and Tomin's a little old school. And
that's why I said, I think it's time for a
you know reset, take the year off, do a Sean Payton,
do some TV, hang out with family. Reset, kind of
modernize how you view certain things. You don't have to
(32:55):
break it all down, but you know, kind of modernize it.
But players hold him an incredibly higher regard.
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Speaker 1 (33:27):
Greg Coosel coming up next hour. Tom Brady was fantastic
twenty minutes. If you didn't hear it, put it on
the podcast. He was unbelievable today, broke down all the games,
all the thoughts. I mean, listen, I put the chart
up earlier of all the quarterbacks left in the playoffs,
and you've got an older pocket quarterback in Stafford, and
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then you've got a lot of inexperienced guys who don't
have a lot of long runs in the playoffs. It's
Drake May, It's bow Nicks, It's Caleb c J. Stroud
So and Brock Purty. So this really feels like next
year Mahomes, Burrow Lamar could be back in. Justin Herbert
is going to have both of his tackles back with
the Chargers and they'll probably readdress the offensive line, you know,
(34:10):
I mean, this is a it's not an now or
never year, but now it would be a really good
time year. Tom Brady on moving forward for Josh toward
a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
This is the game for him.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I mean, there's a lot of career defining games for quarterbacks,
and when you're a veteran quarterback and you're not dealing
with Patrick Mahomes anymore, and that's been kind of a
bit of a kryptonite for the Bills over the years.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
This is the time for you know who.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
They feel Josh one of the best quarterbacks in ac
to go out there and have his year.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
He won the MVP last year.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
He's got a.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Great chance to go on the road. I know he's
a little bit under man. It's hard to not love
the Buffalo Bills in this story, and you know, I
think it would be just incredible for their fan base
who have been, you know, so enthusiastic about this team
to finally get over the hump and then make it
to you know, a championship game.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
What's really interesting about this weekend and Saturday specifically, so
the first game Saturday, we think the players amazing, Josh Allen,
but we don't know if we love the rest of
the parade. We love Josh, we know Josh is good
enough to win a Super Bowl? Is the coach ride?
(35:26):
Is the defense ride? Are the weapons right? And then
there's the Seattle game. Seattle. Oh, we love this new coach,
we love this Seahawk roster, but I don't know if
I trust Darnold. In Buffalo, we know Josh is good
enough to hoist the trophy. We worry about the staff,
We worry about the roster. We worry about I mean,
(35:47):
can keyon Coleman make one big play? Can the defense
stop the run? In Seattle, it's different. You love the
new coach, you love the run game, you love the
speed of the defense. We don't know if we don't
know if we trust Donald?
Speaker 13 (36:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
So here's Tom Brady on staying aggressive for Sam Donald,
looking for that first playoff.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
W when you get to these big moments in big games,
whether that's you know, certainly playoffs or some of these
games have happened at the end of the year determined
whether going to get in or not. The margin of
air when you play good teams is just very small.
So that's where the fundamentals come into play. You have to,
you know, in order to throw the ball accurate, okay,
(36:27):
and if you throw it accurately make a decisions, You're
not going to throw a lot of interceptions.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
It's over time.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
You need to refine your techniques so that when you
get these big moments, you're as accurate as you can
possibly be because you have the least margin of air.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
The one thing I think you really get this weekend.
You don't get all eight for eight great quarterbacks or
eight for eight offensive lines, Buffalo's old lines, good Seattle.
It's probably a weakness. What you do get is B
plus at minimum. Coaching. I mean, if you look at
the one common thread this weekend, it's great coaching. And
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the truth is Sean McDermott may win a trophy. I mean,
I've said Sean McDermott to me, has sort of a
Marty Schottenheimer Chuck knoxfeel. You know he's capable, you know
he's a good coach. Is he the coach that gets creative,
gets you over the hump. Sean McDermott's absolutely a good coach.
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I mean, listen, Robert Sala hasn't had near the success.
I think Sala deserves the second chance, right Brian Flores
hasn't had nearly as much successful I think Brian Flores
deserves the second chance. Sean mcdermot's a B plus coach.
But generally, historically it's the Belichicks the Reids that have
on average high percentage have won the trophies. But I
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mean that may end with a win. I find it hard.
I mean, I understand you love your your local team.
I think if you ask the country who they were
rooting for, they're rooting for Buffalo. And I think their
offensive personnel's better than I give it credit for. I mean,
they have a star quarterback, star back, really good tight end,
star left tackle, really good O line they just don't
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have I mean, listen, receiver is the hardest position to
draft in the first round. If you go to last
twenty drafts, and I don't remember who has this. Apologize
somebody listed the top last twenty drafts. The percentage that
busts the least and the percentage position that busts the most.
Wide receiver is the biggest bus position, and by a
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long shot, it can be a temperamental position. It's skill
over maturity. You're just looking for a guy that breaks
the huddle and could beat people down the field. And
there's a lot of so it's hard for me to
hold it against Buffalo a lot of these Why. I mean,
Bill Belichick could not draft the first round wide receiver
to save his life. Pretty good Coach Kansas City's GM,
Brett Veach got as good as any GM in the league.
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He's missed on some wide receiver, Sky Moore Philadelphia. Howie Roseman,
remember a few years ago first round took a wide
receiver from TCU. Did not work. Here's our playoff schedule.
If I had the guests right now, I've told you
I've stopped doubting Buffalo. I'll say Buffalo wins close, Seattle
wins by a touchdown. God that this Patriot Texans game
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is off. I don't know. I like the Rams over
the Bears, Texans Patriots to me, you know again, the
Texans were so turnover prone. I don't think they will
be this weekend. I don't know where I find listen.
I said, Patriots, Chargers, stay away, Patriots, Texans, you probably
take the home team. I think they have a much
(39:39):
livelier offense. But you know, Drake May has got to
avoid the implosion and that is easier said than done.
You saw the struggles Aaron Rodgers head. The longest drive
for the Steelers in the second half was twenty three yards.
And Pittsburgh beat New England.
Speaker 9 (39:54):
This year, And we got an update on Bill's Broncos.
Not great news. Maxwell Hairston, the talented rookie cornerback. Remember
he flashed well against the Chiefs earlier this season. He's
officially been ruled out. So Jordan Poyer out, Hairston out.
That's two in the Buffalo secondary down against Denver. We're
waiting on Ed Oliver, who would be a big get
(40:15):
back to the line.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
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making us part of your day. So it was funny.
I was on Seattle radio this morning and they asked me,
what's your trust level for Sam Darnold, And it's like, well,
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he won in Carolina, didn't start a lot, but he
had a winning record, and you wont in Minnesota and
you want in Seattle and nobody works with the Jets.
He's not going to get shorter, less athletic, less committed,
less focused against the forty nine ers. I've always been
a Sam fan. It's never wavered. I thought he was
too talented, too good of an arm two athletic, too strong,
too committed, too coachable, not to be successful at some level.
(01:13):
Twenty eight and six the last two years, which is
the best record in football. But the thing is he
had really you know, first impressions are powerful. Kevin Hart
apparently bombed early in his career and was booed off
the stage. Nobody saw it, right, Nobody watched it. Sam
Darnold was against Belichick Sunday night football, Monday night football,
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most popular sport in the country, playing in New York.
We all saw it. But I mean, that's the reality
nobody remembers because the first impressions with Jordan were so great.
Nobody remembers the Wizard years, the first impressions with Aaron Rodgers,
who sat for three years, nobody remembers. Nobody thinks about
the fact that in his last thirty three games he's
fifteen and eighteen, he said like a one three hundred
(01:55):
yard game, no playoff wins in five or six year.
Because there's such strong identification of those early great years
that it washes over everything. It's like an actor. If
you're good, you go good early. Nobody cares about late.
Bill Murray has had so many hits early. Nobody cares
what he's doing now, right, doesn't matter. But with Sam
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it's the opposite. But in the last two years he's
been better than mahomes He's won more games, he's got
more passing yards, his completion percentage is higher, he's got
a better record, he's got more touchdowns. Last two years,
he's better than Patrick Mahomes. So and that you know. So,
do I doubt Sam Darnold, No, I don't. Does Sam
(02:38):
sometimes play a little frenetic under pressure. Absolutely, But the
Niners don't have a Bosa And if he does face
the Texans, which could speed him up, you know it
would be in the Super Bowl. So the Chris Shula
Rams defense has given him real trouble. But remember Sam's
twenty eight years old. He is younger than Lamar Jackson.
(03:00):
And you think brought perty as a kid, and Sam's
a veteran. Purty's twenty six. Sam's twenty eight. He's just
now moving in to his prime years. He probably moved
into his prime last year. Quarterback primes about seven years,
probably about twenty seven ish. I mean, really, when the
light goes on twenty six, twenty seven ish to thirty
three ish, so I always thought he'd be really good.
(03:26):
Here's the amazing thing about Sam back to back first
quarterback ever ever all time, back to back seasons with
fourteen wins and four thousand yards. It's even more impressive.
He did it with two different teams. Now Mahomes has
done it, but not in back to back years. Fourteen
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wins and four thousand yards. It's just incredibly rare. Well,
he had this and he had that. Seattle's the second
youngest team in the league. Minnesota is good. They don't
have the Eagles roster. So he's a very unique talent.
But in big games like this one, you face better coaching.
And Tom Brady talked about that last hour.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
When you get to these big moments in big games,
whether that's you know, certainly playoffs or some of these
games have happened at the end of the year, determined
whether going to get in or not. The margin of
air when you play good teams is just very small.
So that's where the fundamentals come into play. You have to,
you know, in order to throw the ball accurate, okay,
and if you throw it accurately, make the decisions.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
You're not going to throw a lot of interceptions.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
It's over time.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
You need to refine your techniques so that when you
get these big moments, you're as accurate as you can
possibly be because you have the least margin of air.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So Robert Salah is a great coordinator. Sam's problems have
usually been and he doesn't have a great O line
the left side of it Crossabel's pretty good center overs okay,
not great, Okay, When you can rush Sam, he gets frenetic,
he gets into He's like a shooter that gets into
a bad streak, takes bad shots and misses them badly.
(05:08):
He can get into that. But I'll say this Stafford
seven picks and seven games frog Perty's had bad picks
his whole career. But I would say Stafford, Purty and
Donald also have a gift, which is a short memory.
It doesn't affect their next throw. So I mean, if
you go to look at the last two years for Sam,
Donald Colin, do you trust them against San Francisco. He's
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not getting shorter, slower, less of an arm less dynamic.
I mean he is top three and virtually everything over
the last couple of years. So I mean he was
a successful at USC winning record. Carolina great Minnesota Great Seahawks. Yeah,
it was a mess for the Jets, but he was
twenty years old. When Dante Moore elected to go back
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to Oregon yesterday and not the NFL, worry would have
gone to the Jets. One of the first things you
thought about, and I thought about, was, oh, it'll be
like Sam Darnold. He's a West Coast quarterback with a
really good team. He's really, really talented, but he's really
young going to New York. Sam Darnald showed up in
New York at twenty. Dante Moore would show up in
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New York at twenty. And that's that's why I kept
when I looked at Dante Moore and I don't know
his comp with Donald who's the better prospect. I have
no idea. They're both very good, but they're not good
enough to overcome the Jets. Again, it'd be different if
the Jets hired John Harbaugh and instead of the Giant,
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I'd feel different. I mean, Mike Ravel and Gerrod Mayo
and the Patriots are a different team, all right. And
with that, Joel Klatt, who watched plenty of Sam Dardal
believing with that USC is now joining US, so a
lot of people are saying this, and I don't think
they're wrong. Indiana is a eight point favorite over Miami.
I do think it's going to be in the trenches.
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Miami can disrupt some of the offensive flow for Indiana.
I think it's going to be a really good game.
People have said, I mean that, does Indiana have a weakness?
Can you identify anything about Indiana where you're like, well,
they're not great here. I don't see anything they're really
bad at. But is there a way to attack them
or a way to slow down the offense where they're
not as efficient?
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Yeah, it's a great question and premise. I think in
the games where let's just start with the games where
they were close, because I mean, obviously they're undefeat they're.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Beating the teams badly.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Penn State was a close game, Iowa was a close game,
Oregon was a decently close game, and then Ohio State
in the Big Ten championship game. The one through line
to some of those matchups, Colin was the ability maybe
not to stop completely their running game, but certainly control
their running game. Yeah, because I think the secret sauce
to Indiana is that even though they have Mendoza, who's
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going to be the first pick and is playing at
as high a level as we've seen since maybe Mac
Jones and Joe Burrow. At this stage of the season.
He's playing at such a high level. There's still a
run first offense. In fact, if you look at their
play selection now, granted they've had the lead and they're
going to run clock, but Colin, they've run the ball
ninety times to only thirty six passes in their two
playoff games. Wow, that's a staggering percentage, you know. And
(08:12):
so you have to start with the premise that you
can't let them control the game on the ground. The
thing that they do best better than anybody else in
college football is get themselves into manageable third down situations.
It's what makes them the number one third down offense
in America. And it's the premise of being on schedule,
(08:33):
on schedule, on first down, on second down, and it
starts with their ability to run the football. So that's
why I would start to try to hurt them. You
also ask like, well, where where aren't they good? To
be honest, I can't find it. They're good on special teams,
they tackle, well, let's just put it to you this way.
If you're going to measure a team's soundness, how well
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they're coach, you would measure things like mistackles, penalties, turnovers,
field position, right, all these things that you feel like
you can control. They're one of the best teams in
the country in every one of those categories. And so
it really is wild and I think Miami's going to
have to play nearly flawless, certainly mistake free in order
(09:16):
to win this game.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I remember watching the Penn State game and I had
missed the first quarter of it, and I started watching
and I'm making lunch, and all of a sudden, I'm
watching Penn State with a backup quarterback march up and
down the field against Indiana. I'm like, oh my god,
we got an upset here. What is happening? And that's
one of the only times all year where I felt
Indiana was reeling a little bit. It was like they
were on their heels a little bit, and Penn State
(09:38):
was just moving at eight yard chunk, eight yard, six
yard eight yard. So, I mean their.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Kids and Penn State ran it really well that day, yep,
you know, And so I think you've got to be
which listen that leans into Miami. Mark Fletcher has been
outstanding during the course of this playoff. I think he's
averaging I want to say what I'm happened right here,
one hundred and thirty six per game on the ground.
I mean, like he's he's been outstanding for them, and
(10:03):
it's allowed Beck to play like Mendoza in third and manageable,
like Beck hasn't had to be in a ton of
obvious down situations and to the benefit of that team.
And if they can do that against Miami, then you
know they'll have a chance. But the play that you're
showing right now, if you're watching on FS one, it
was it was the long play. They don't throw the
ball down the field. Their big plays are generally catch
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and run, like Malachai Toni at the line of scrimmage. Yeah,
he's you know, Beck is one for eleven in the
playoff on balls that are thrown twenty or more yards
down the field. So this is going to be at
or near the line of scrimmage. This is the type
of game that it's going to be for them.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, the SEC was two and eight against non conference
opponents in the balls in college football, this year. This
week I offered something, I put it on the screen.
I called it best ten in the next ten. I said,
all things considered, nil, Transfer Portal three Texas schools, Texas
(11:02):
Texas and Texas Tech will be in the ten. Phil
Knight Oregon, Signetti, Mark Cuban, Indiana, Michigan, Notre Dame because
of endowments. Ohio State's totally committed. Then I said ten's
not Georgia. I said ten's usc because I just watched
them spend thirty million bucks to buy the number one
recruiting class. So okay, but here's my take on Georgia.
(11:27):
So clearly Alabama is not what they were three years ago.
I think that's clear.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Josh Pate told me this yesterday. He says people look
at Georgia and think, oh, they get that Coca Cola
money in that Delta Airline money. Just no, they don't.
Atlanta's never embraced it. The big money in Atlanta does
not give to Georgia. So I guess my takeaway is
we have a chance for a third straight Big ten
team to win a Natty, not even playing an SEC team.
(11:54):
My question, if you look at the top eight quarterbacks
in the country. Next year you can argue six are
in the Big ten. Is it possible the gap is widening,
not shrinking, I think if you so.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
I did this on my show as well, talked about
the exact same thing in a little different way, you know,
in terms of this idea of conference supremacy. Let me
start with the premise that I think it's bad for
college football that we constantly have this conversation.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I really do. I think that it is.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
It is a narrative that needs to die because part
of the problem in college football column from an overarching perspective,
is that all the decisions are made in silos and
everyone's just making decisions that benefit them. There's never been
a time in college football where the powers that be,
whether it's conference commissioners and or presidents, have come together
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and made a decision that's better for the whole like
the NFL owners did years and years and years ago.
And we obviously see the product that we have on
the field with the National Football League. So when we
when when we continually argue about the silos and which
one is better, then the whole motivation of the people
within those organizations is to be considered the better silo.
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So as long as we continue to breathe life into
the narrative of like which conference is better, which conference
is better, then we're going to continue to get decisions
in college football that that fracture us and make us
more fragmented.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So that's that's just like an overarching argument.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
And I'm not saying that this isn't a fascinating discussion
and we shouldn't maybe have this discussion.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Maybe maybe I am, but I.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Would tell you this, if you look at the last
three years, an SEC team has not competed for a
national championship in now three straight years. Georgia hasn't even
been in the in the semi finals in three straight years.
Maybe to your point, although USC is not, you know,
playing at the top into college football, not even near
it quite frankly right now, zero to four, that's the
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SEC record against the Big Ten in the last two
years in the playoff when it matters most. So you
can't argue like, oh, it's just bowl games. These are blowouts,
blowout and some blowouts. That's exactly right if you look
at the draft, And that was kind of the last
argument of the folks that really hang on to this
SEC deal is that the draft was all filled with
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SEC players. Yes, there's a lot of SEC players. That's
that margin is basically gone. Now you look at the
last couple of drafts and you know the players are
spread out. And then I would offer this as my
last kind of thought on this exact topic. Just a question,
and let me just pose it. Was it really an
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entire conference that dominated college football? Or was it the
greatest singular coach that we've ever seen in the history
of college football? Was it the SEC? Or was it
Alabama that owned college football? Now, granted there's a few
other years. Yeah, LSU was phenomenal in nineteen and Georgia
rose up in twenty one and twenty two, and yes,
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you know cam Newton rose. There are individual instances, just
like we have littered throughout college football and every other conference,
where a team rises and falls and rises and falls.
But the narrative of the SEC really was on the
coattails of Nick Saban in Alabama. Well, now that they
don't have that, you know, maybe it's over. But my
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eyes don't fool me.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Last year Ohio State humiliated SEC teams physically at the
end of the year. Yes, Indiana is humiliating SEC teams.
My eyes aren't deceiving me. The SEC is not as fast,
it's not intimidating.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
It's just a we'll spread out. Well, it's just spread out.
And you know those that are really I mean, and
you and I have said this. You know, for years
the thought was that the SEC was under the table.
And I don't know how many programs were or not.
I know that there were some, and it wasn't exclusively
in the SEC. But there is a thought within coaching circles.
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I'm not talking about fans or media, within coaching circles.
And I've had these conversations or coaches that are not
in the SEC and have not been in the SEC
look at me and they say, well, we're finally all
paying players a little different now, And that's you know,
that's that's a real thing.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Okay. So I think we both know Dante Moore going
to college is good for Dante, good for Oregon, good
for everybody. Tye Simpson said, I'm going pro and he
would have made a lot of money in college. How
do you view I mean, ty Simpson to me, he's
got an NFL arm, no question. He doesn't move. I
don't think he's Mendoz as a prospect size. I don't
think he's Dante more the move, or maybe I think
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tis an NFL first second round prospect. That's what it
looks like to me. Do you view him? How do
you view him?
Speaker 5 (16:56):
So?
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I think he's a really talented thrower of the football.
He makes some big boy throws, he really does, and
really good arm. Now he's not a big guy. He's
not a big guy by any stretch of the imagination.
And when you're not big, I get a bit worried
about your ability to stay healthy unless you can move,
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you know. So if you bring up like well, Joel,
there's a lot of small quarterbacks. Yeah, okay, Kyler as
quick as a hiccup, you know, and he's still banged up,
and yet he's that elusive.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Bryce Young has some elusiveness.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Russell Wilson had a ton of elusiveness in particular at
the peak of his career. You know, Baker is elusive.
He's not a huge guy, and Simpson doesn't really have that.
So I'm a bit nervous about his size. But when
it comes to just his pure ability to read the defense,
stand in there and make big throws, he has that ability,
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there's no doubt. And as it always comes down to
unless you're a generational talent, which I don't know if
ty is, is that it matters where you go. And
so now it's all about fit yep coach city GM owner.
That's his entire NFL career, at least early at his
first location is going to be determined about in terms
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of where he best fits and if he gets into
that spot.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
All right, Indiana twenty seven Miami seventeen. That's what it
feels like to me. Indiana cannot run the ball consistently,
but in the end, I think they're a cleaner team.
They make fewer mistakes, fewer penalties, fewer drops, And I
think Miami can be harder to coach because I think
they have so much length and speed and explosiveness and Mario.
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To beat Indiana needs to be aggressive. They need to
make a player two like over the top, play defensively
block a kick. So my take is the cleaner team
will win, but it won't look like most Indiana wins.
It's not going to be Indiana, Illinois, Indiana, Alabama, Indiana,
Oregon twice. I think I think it's a lot of trenches,
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a lot of mid thirty around the thirty yard line stuff.
My take yours.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
I think I'm actually absolutely in line with this. I
think that it's going to be a frustrating game for
Indiana as much as they get frustrated because I think
that they're final. Listen, they didn't lose their mind against
Ohio State in a low scoring affair that was a
difficult game, and Penn State the same, Iowa is the same.
But I do think it's going to be a style
of game like that, where it's close and then it
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becomes about mistakes in which team is losing the game
and not winning game. And there's one thing I know
about Indiana and that is they do not make mistakes.
And I can't say the same about Miami. So I'm
going to go the same direction. I think I had
something along the lines of like thirty five twenty four.
You know, Indiana scores late and kind of takes a
two possession lead, and I would expect the way Indiana
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plays their turnover margin, I think beck is going to
make a mistake in this game, and I think that's
going to ultimately be the difference.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Joe Klatt wait to watch it. Say what you want
about Carson Beck third Natties and so he's got you're
not gonna be Jimmy. I mean he's experienced. Yeah, I've
been in a ton of these games. Can't wait. Last
team to go sixteen and oh or go undefeated in
college football? I think it was sixteen and oh. I
looked it up. I hadn't heard of a lot of
their players. Was the Yale in the eighteen hundreds?
Speaker 6 (20:20):
Okay, so maybe Yale to it. I don't think modern
college football has never happened. We've had a couple of
these fifteen and oh, obviously in recent vintage, but man
to do it in this era of more parody, and
to do it at Indiana, they were the losingest program
in history to start the year, and it's wild.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
It blows my mind. It's unbelievable. Joe Klack, great stuff,
my man, Thanks Bud, have a good day you too. Yeah,
it's some eighteen hundred Yale team apparently was just knocking
the socks off people between the drama club and their
football team. Back then, everybody was afraid of Yale lit
great stuff. Oh did they The staff just told me this.
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They invented the forward pass Yale did. I don't know.
I just you know, you live and learn. I drove
by what's that? What's that bowl that Harvard and Yale
played at. I drove by that a few times. It's
like legendary. It's this legendary field they play at. And uh,
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sixteen and oh just I mean again, it's not sixteen
and oh in the Mountain West. It's sixteen and oh
in the Big ten in the playoff. Hard to wrap
your brain around it.
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Speaker 1 (22:20):
Greg Hosel Next Hour, Tom Brady First Hour, Joel Clad
all sorts of stuff we're talking about today. Well, what
a show is just flying by on a Thursday, Saturday,
NFL Sunday, NFL Monday. The College Football National Championship twenty
seven to seventeen. I like Indiana, but I think Miami
is a live dog physically, can impose their will, may
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be able to run the football a little and slow
down Indiana's run game, which slows down their play action
passing game. Here's j Mack with the news. Heard on
the news.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
All right, let's go to that Bears Rams game.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
Bears are going to have to win on the ground, Colin,
and they haven't really done that last two games. Just
a bucks sixty rushing the football. Ben Johnson says, that's
got to change.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
It feels like it's dipped a little bit. Not something that.
Speaker 10 (23:13):
We certainly want, certainly late in the season, we wanted
that to pick up playoffs weather games like this, you
certainly want to be able to lean on your run game.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
So those are some elements we're looking at.
Speaker 10 (23:25):
What can we do to help ignite that is both
efficient runs to stay on track and ahead of the chains,
and also explosive runs as well.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Where can we find a few of those?
Speaker 9 (23:36):
Yeah, their best BET's going to be to keep the
Rams offense off the field. That's going to be a
lot of mono guy Swift tall.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
Order for the Bears.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Cole Comet, Yeah, it's going to be.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
Cold and down your left tackle as well.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, I worry about losing Edwards. Yep, it's I mean,
you saw Jordan Love in that first half is kind
of going up and down the field. I mean, and
they were fooling Chicago tackling wasn't great. It was. It
was a pretty ugly first half. So I mean, that's
what the Rams are looking at. Can they manipulate veteran
quarterback there? It's not a great defense to begin with.
(24:10):
When you lose one of your playmakers. It's rough.
Speaker 9 (24:13):
Yeah, it's just I know people don't want to hear it.
In Chicago, Collin they got lucky. I mean, let they
there's no way around it. It was one of the
biggest comebacks in the fourth quarter and playoff history. You
said the Packers kind of moved the ball. Their first
three drives were touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
There's like, no, they couldn't do anything.
Speaker 9 (24:31):
And the Rams have a better offense than the Packers
with a better head coach. So it's just a tough
I'm surprised this is sitting on three and a half.
I was I was praying for a three. That's when
you empty the bank account on the Rams. But I
don't know if the Bears pull this off. I don't
even know what to say at this, but you run
out of adjectives for Ben Johnson and these guys.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
All right, let's move on to D.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Forty nine Ers the game Brady talked about earlier forty
nine or Seattle very tall order for San Franz. They
are seven point underdogs, even though the teams split the
season series. Brock perty he knows about the injuries. He says,
I'm not worried.
Speaker 11 (25:08):
At the end of the day. For us, it's like,
you know, we just focus on ourselves, man, And we
watched the film against Philly and and all of us
were all so eager to get better from that and
then obviously to you know, we're in the playoffs now,
so it's you know, we stay We stayed alive and
we're alive right now. So for us, how can we
just go and find a way and you know, play
together and play our standard of ball as the forty
(25:28):
nine ers.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
So that's how we look at it.
Speaker 9 (25:33):
Good launch on the spot here, Colin better head coach
in this game?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Well they're both great.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
It's just fine. You could just could be truthful.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
One's better offensively, one's better defensively. Why does it always
have to be better?
Speaker 9 (25:48):
Well, I'm trying to get to uh. I was giving
you a softball, Shanahan. Obviously nothing against the other guy.
Who's the better quarterback in this game?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Who's more talented? Sam Darnold?
Speaker 8 (26:00):
Is that now what I asked, sir?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I said last two years, Sam Darnold? I mean wins yards, completions, touchdowns,
and healthy, doesn't get banged up.
Speaker 9 (26:12):
Does it feel like this is house money for Brock perty? No,
what do you mean you wanted in Philadelphia? Threw two
picks and they still won the game with a game
winning drive by Perty.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
I mean, I think.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Getting I think this game feels thirteen to ten, middle
of the third. I think Seattle pulls away late. I
think it's a very close game. Thirteen to ten could
be San Francisco leading middle of the third. I think
Seattle will be a little conservative, deeper roster at home favored.
Let's not put ourselves in the crosshairs of trouble. I
think San Francisco will play inspired. Nobody says they can win.
(26:47):
They're a live dog, They've got a great coach. San Francisco,
to me, is going to lead this game at some point,
and it could be middle of the third. But I
do think at home Seattle's defense, brock perties On a
Haitian when rushed, can make a mistake, and that Witherspoon,
I mean that that Seattle defensive front is just It's
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like Tom Brady said, dude, They're just they just rotate guys.
It's just I mean, they got six guys that are
in and out. They're fresh laid into games. I think
defensive lines decide games like this. Speeding up quarterback Darnold's
clearly gonna have more time to throw than brock Purty
over the course of three and a half hours, I
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don't think we could deny that that brock Perty, he'll
probably you He'll probably a little more rushed on average
over the course of a game that tends to be
an advantage for the quarterback that's not rushed.
Speaker 9 (27:38):
I know Seattle boxed him in San Fraan a couple
of weeks ago. But if McCaffrey doesn't drop the inner,
the pass inside the five falls in the hands of
the Seattle guy, it's a one score game and where
it's interesting, right, but he does and now it's like, oh,
Seattle killed him. The NFL is just the margins are
so thin. Let's go to the final story, and that
is Mike Vrabel and the New England Patriots. Boy, that
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game against the Texas, I'm excited for this. Look at
that line Colin three and a half point favorites. Wow,
I'm stunned, especially after what the Texans did to Aaron
Rodgers and they sent Mike Tomlin into retirement. Uh, here's
Rabel talking about the Houston defense, which is nasty this face.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Yeah, of course, you know.
Speaker 12 (28:20):
I mean they have great talent, great scheme, They play
hard and respect how hard they play, and they're just
not only talented, but they have a play demeanor that
I can appreciate.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
There's talent, length, you know, effort.
Speaker 12 (28:37):
They don't if they get blocked, they don't stay blocked long.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
They play hard against the run.
Speaker 12 (28:43):
It's not just if you run the ball that they're
they're taking plays off.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
So yeah, two really good. Uh you know book ends.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, I like what he said there. When you I
knew length, they don't stay blocked long. They're like a
really good recovering. Good defenses recover quickly because you can
fool people, you know, you there's no question you pool people.
They Seeattle and Houston. When you fool them, they course
correct catch up very quickly. So you don't get a
lot of big plays because there's not a lot of
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big gaps like last weekend when the when the Packers
fooled the Bears in the first half, there were huge,
huge openings, long Tarmacs, long runways. You don't get that
against Seattle. In Houston, if you fool them, there's it's
like they're playing with an extra due. You know, you
get about four yards to run, then there's a host
of guys around you.
Speaker 9 (29:31):
Remember you, I think you had the point on Tuesday
that on that opening drive, first second drive, the Steelers
had a couple of plays and Rogers was like, oh
my gosh, he was very excited and animated. And then
after that, they just shut everything down. It was like
they just turned the water off. No, that's enough, you're
not doing anything.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, I mean Aaron came in. You could tell Aaron
New we got to put a couple of plays. They're
gonna work. They did, and when they had the punt,
it's like, Aaron New, that's trouble because there's not a
lot to fools these guys.
Speaker 9 (29:56):
Patriots have a rookie left tackle in Campbell going up
against one of the all pro ed rushers, you know
that kid Petre in the secondary. Dude, he is a missile.
He is hitting so hard. He's got the big helmet,
which is kind of deceptive because those guys are usually
you know, like not wanting the contact. He wants all
the smoke. And I just I'm kind of in love
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with the sex and team. I know we have a
Houston Homer on staff. I think they win this outright,
But then again, I picked against the Patriots last weekend.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Looked like a fool.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I thought this was informative and interesting. Apparently, when Mike
Tomlin informed the team, the Steeler team that he was
going to step away. It was really emotional. I mean,
players one by one were coming up and giving great
gratitude and humility and thank you coach. Kind of the
opposite of what happens in college football because of the calendar.
You're always like leaving town on the midnight train as
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a college coach, and in the NFL it's usually ugly
because the coach gets canned, or even Belichick leaves and
it's surly and the owner and the coach are mad
at each other. Players have always, especially veteran players, have
always loved Tomlin. In fact, I called the GM yesterday
and I said, why why doesn't Tomlin have a coaching tree.
We called it yesterday a coaching cactus. There's no tree,
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And he said, because Tomlin doesn't have a hot shot, young,
ascending McVeigh and his staff or a Shanahan. He likes
older players and older staffs. He's very old school, and
I think what that gives you is a higher floor
and a lower ceiling. You don't have the ascending, hot
shot offensive coordinator on your staff. That's just not what
he does. He likes his players older. He tends to
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be old school in his ideology. He likes his staffs
to be a tad older and that's okay. That avoids implosion,
but you don't get fresh ideas and you don't see things,
you know, a new set of eyes. So but I
will tell you this, he is more than a coach.
He connects with players on a personal level level. Emmanuel
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Sanders talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 13 (32:02):
The moment that I got there, he was like a
father figure to me.
Speaker 9 (32:05):
Uh.
Speaker 13 (32:05):
The things that he taught me in terms of investing
my money and the wayed to think.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
And that's what type of player coach he is.
Speaker 13 (32:11):
He's always going to give it to you, real role,
authentic uh, and.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
You know it.
Speaker 13 (32:17):
Depending on how you take it, you might not like it,
but you know that he has your best interest.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And that's why I always love him, man.
Speaker 13 (32:23):
And he was one of those guys that truly was
a blessing for me to get drafted with him because
he just changed my whole mindset in the way that
I was thinking about going about my business.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, it's aid Mike Tomalin highly respected. You know, the
NFL's got younger and Tomin's a little old school. And
that's why I said, I think it's time for a
you know reset, take the year off, do a Sean Payton,
do some TV, hang out with family. Reset, kind of
modernize how you view certain things. You don't have to
(32:55):
break it all down, but you know, kind of modernize it.
But players hold him an incredibly higher regard.
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Speaker 1 (33:27):
Greg Coosel coming up next hour. Tom Brady was fantastic
twenty minutes. If you didn't hear it, put it on
the podcast. He was unbelievable today, broke down all the games,
all the thoughts. I mean, listen, I put the chart
up earlier of all the quarterbacks left in the playoffs,
and you've got an older pocket quarterback in Stafford, and
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then you've got a lot of inexperienced guys who don't
have a lot of long runs in the playoffs. It's
Drake May, It's bow Nicks, It's Caleb c J. Stroud
So and Brock Purty. So this really feels like next
year Mahomes, Burrow Lamar could be back in. Justin Herbert
is going to have both of his tackles back with
the Chargers and they'll probably readdress the offensive line, you know,
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I mean, this is a it's not an now or
never year, but now it would be a really good
time year. Tom Brady on moving forward for Josh toward
a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
This is the game for him.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I mean, there's a lot of career defining games for quarterbacks,
and when you're a veteran quarterback and you're not dealing
with Patrick Mahomes anymore, and that's been kind of a
bit of a kryptonite for the Bills over the years.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
This is the time for you know who.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
They feel Josh one of the best quarterbacks in ac
to go out there and have his year.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
He won the MVP last year.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
He's got a.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Great chance to go on the road. I know he's
a little bit under man. It's hard to not love
the Buffalo Bills in this story, and you know, I
think it would be just incredible for their fan base
who have been, you know, so enthusiastic about this team
to finally get over the hump and then make it
to you know, a championship game.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
What's really interesting about this weekend and Saturday specifically, so
the first game Saturday, we think the players amazing, Josh Allen,
but we don't know if we love the rest of
the parade. We love Josh, we know Josh is good
enough to win a Super Bowl? Is the coach ride?
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Is the defense ride? Are the weapons right? And then
there's the Seattle game. Seattle. Oh, we love this new coach,
we love this Seahawk roster, but I don't know if
I trust Darnold. In Buffalo, we know Josh is good
enough to hoist the trophy. We worry about the staff,
We worry about the roster. We worry about I mean,
(35:47):
can keyon Coleman make one big play? Can the defense
stop the run? In Seattle, it's different. You love the
new coach, you love the run game, you love the
speed of the defense. We don't know if we don't
know if we trust Donald?
Speaker 13 (36:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
So here's Tom Brady on staying aggressive for Sam Donald,
looking for that first playoff.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
W when you get to these big moments in big games,
whether that's you know, certainly playoffs or some of these
games have happened at the end of the year determined
whether going to get in or not. The margin of
air when you play good teams is just very small.
So that's where the fundamentals come into play. You have to,
you know, in order to throw the ball accurate, okay,
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and if you throw it accurately make a decisions, You're
not going to throw a lot of interceptions.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
It's over time.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
You need to refine your techniques so that when you
get these big moments, you're as accurate as you can
possibly be because you have the least margin of air.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
The one thing I think you really get this weekend.
You don't get all eight for eight great quarterbacks or
eight for eight offensive lines, Buffalo's old lines, good Seattle.
It's probably a weakness. What you do get is B
plus at minimum. Coaching. I mean, if you look at
the one common thread this weekend, it's great coaching. And
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the truth is Sean McDermott may win a trophy. I mean,
I've said Sean McDermott to me, has sort of a
Marty Schottenheimer Chuck knoxfeel. You know he's capable, you know
he's a good coach. Is he the coach that gets creative,
gets you over the hump. Sean McDermott's absolutely a good coach.
(37:25):
I mean, listen, Robert Sala hasn't had near the success.
I think Sala deserves the second chance, right Brian Flores
hasn't had nearly as much successful I think Brian Flores
deserves the second chance. Sean mcdermot's a B plus coach.
But generally, historically it's the Belichicks the Reids that have
on average high percentage have won the trophies. But I
(37:48):
mean that may end with a win. I find it hard.
I mean, I understand you love your your local team.
I think if you ask the country who they were
rooting for, they're rooting for Buffalo. And I think their
offensive personnel's better than I give it credit for. I mean,
they have a star quarterback, star back, really good tight end,
star left tackle, really good O line they just don't
(38:09):
have I mean, listen, receiver is the hardest position to
draft in the first round. If you go to last
twenty drafts, and I don't remember who has this. Apologize
somebody listed the top last twenty drafts. The percentage that
busts the least and the percentage position that busts the most.
Wide receiver is the biggest bus position, and by a
(38:31):
long shot, it can be a temperamental position. It's skill
over maturity. You're just looking for a guy that breaks
the huddle and could beat people down the field. And
there's a lot of so it's hard for me to
hold it against Buffalo a lot of these Why. I mean,
Bill Belichick could not draft the first round wide receiver
to save his life. Pretty good Coach Kansas City's GM,
Brett Veach got as good as any GM in the league.
(38:53):
He's missed on some wide receiver, Sky Moore Philadelphia. Howie Roseman,
remember a few years ago first round took a wide
receiver from TCU. Did not work. Here's our playoff schedule.
If I had the guests right now, I've told you
I've stopped doubting Buffalo. I'll say Buffalo wins close, Seattle
wins by a touchdown. God that this Patriot Texans game
(39:18):
is off. I don't know. I like the Rams over
the Bears, Texans Patriots to me, you know again, the
Texans were so turnover prone. I don't think they will
be this weekend. I don't know where I find listen.
I said, Patriots, Chargers, stay away, Patriots, Texans, you probably
take the home team. I think they have a much
(39:39):
livelier offense. But you know, Drake May has got to
avoid the implosion and that is easier said than done.
You saw the struggles Aaron Rodgers head. The longest drive
for the Steelers in the second half was twenty three yards.
And Pittsburgh beat New England.
Speaker 9 (39:54):
This year, And we got an update on Bill's Broncos.
Not great news. Maxwell Hairston, the talented rookie cornerback. Remember
he flashed well against the Chiefs earlier this season. He's
officially been ruled out. So Jordan Poyer out, Hairston out.
That's two in the Buffalo secondary down against Denver. We're
waiting on Ed Oliver, who would be a big get
(40:15):
back to the line.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, all right. Greg Cosel next hour show
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