January 20, 2026 • 41 mins
Colin talks to First Things First host Nick Wright about the NFL head coach openings, how we should look at Bills QB Josh Allen after another early playoff exit, Bears QB Caleb Williams second year in the league, and more
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go, hour two.
It's Tuesday. Congrats to the Indiana Hoosiers our twenty twenty
six Fernando Mendoza Kurt Signetti led national champs. Also, congrats
to Miami really really played a great second half. Mario
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Cristobal Caine's going nowhere. So a lot of people are
pushing back, you know. I saw some quote yesterday where
somebody in the league said, we've never had this many
bad owners of the thirty two current owners because of
all the coaching changes. And I'm like, okay, ten guys
got fired. Aaron glenn inexplicably kept his job. Appears to
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be over his head. So here's my take. There are
nine coaches in this league. I mean, how many great
coaches are there? Okay, there are nine coaches. To me,
take that graphic out. There are nine coaches right now
that I consider like inarguably culture and game changers. Nine McVeigh.
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I mean, look at him, Jim Harbaugh, Ben Johnson, Mike McDonald,
Sean McVay, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, the Miko, Ryan Shanahan,
and Vrabel. You don't have to always a trophy. They
just changed their side of the ball, or both sides
of the ball. There's another five guys that I think
win a lot of games and could very soon be
in that Maybe they should be Dan Campbell, Liam Cohen,
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John Harbaugh, Matt Laflure and Kevin O'Connell. Those are real,
he really good coaches. That's fourteen to thirty two. That's
all it is. I mean, name the franchise that got
rid of their coach and you're absolutely sure it was
a huge mistake. Shocker Cleveland Kevin Stefanski. Yeah, I think
that's a mistake. When you win two time Coach of
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the Year in Cleveland. I'd keep him, and he interviewed
for all the top jobs. Immediately, I'd say that's a mistake.
But Aaron Glenn kept his job, And I mean, how
do you not as a defensive coach over the course
of a season not produce an interception, and that is
I don't even know how to explain that a tip
pass would fall into your lap. So one coach shouldn't
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have been fired, another one maybe should have. I don't know.
I'm not bothered by it. Here's John Harbaugh, the best
coach on the market. I don't think anybody disputes that.
Here's his opening press conference. Pretty impressive for the New
York Giants.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's profound honor to be entrusted with the responsibility of
coaching the New York Football Giants, to be on the
biggest stage in the biggest sport. I know the challenges,
I understand the expectations. I know the fans are hungry
for a winner. We're here with one mission to become,
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to earn the right to be called the world champions
in New York, and that's what we plan to do.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, I'm not getting Ben McAdoo vibes there. I'm sorry
that sounds looks his sports coat fits. He was the
best coach on the market. Maybe he's one of the
top nine or ten coaches. Certainly an argument winning playoff record.
I've said this before four years in a row. I've
picked a double your win total team minds the New
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York Giants, they got to get a right tackle upgrade
at tight end. Everybody in the league could more use
more linebackers that run well in corners that can cover.
Probably could use one of each. But I think they're
going to be really good, really quickly. And with that,
Nick Wright is joining us live host of First Things First.
All right, let's start with Sean McDermott. I said earlier.
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It's always easy to do the Pittsburgh thing. Hey, status quo,
We're good. It's hard to do what Buffalo did eight
playoff wins. Hey we couldn't beat Mahomes. Well, welcome to
the party, right, Like, I'm okay with the firing. It
was clunky. They can't smell admirable and they probably shouldn't
have used that word they use. Yeah, let's just.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
It was to use admiral typo in the word six
of the press release for a coach that you know,
got you back to the playoffs before Josh.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Allen got there.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
To McDermott's credit, they broke that playoff drought with Tyron Taylor.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
You would have liked a little more care, you know,
to his dismissal.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I so I am a little conflicted on this. I
said to you before the year started, Colin, the most
important stat of the NFL season was every single coaching, quarterback,
combo ever that has won a Super Bowl together won
their first super Bowl within five years.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Of being together.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That's right, which.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Meant Harbaugh and Lamar year eight nervous, Josh and McDermott
year eight nervous, and now we find ourselves both of
those coaches have been dismissed, albeit for somewhat different reasons,
but similar to what you're saying, at some point you
might need a fresh start. I also felt that the
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level of devastation in that Bill's locker room, on Josh's
face and Dion Dawkin's face, and the coach calling the
Buffalo News whining about an obvious interception probably meant yeah,
in order to recover from another devastating postseason defeat, that
they need to make a change.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
So I understood all of that.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Where I'm conflicted is this, I do think Sean McDermott
was better at his job than Brandon Bean had been
at his, Yes, and I don't so I was surprised
that not only did Bean stay Bean got promoted, right.
But I also this is a big risk and it's
a big roll of the dice because if your win
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now Super Bowl window this moment, and I'm going to
go first time head coach Davis Webb, first time head
coach Joe Brady, Brian Dable, who I was not overly
impressed with his tenure with the Giants. It all feels risky.
I would I personally, Colin would hope that Western New
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York is too called for his girlfriend to live full time.
And I would ask Bill Belichick to take the job.
That's what I would do. I would say, Bill, three years,
break the wins record. You see, the Patriots are climbing
back to prominence without you.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
You can't feel great about that.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
What if you come in reclaim dominance over the AFCs.
So that's what I would do if I were the Bills.
But it's a risky move. But before we move off
the Bills, can I ask you a question?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Please? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Okay, So what do we where do we do the
blame pie for a guy who is just roundly called
it's not enough, it's called the best player.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
In the league.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
That's that's he's graduated way past that. The most talented
player in the history of the league who had a
four turnover playoff game missed the game winning touchdown twice,
and one of the turnovers was the single worst fumble
in the NFL since Nathan Peterman was starting. I'm just
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curious what we do with that, my friend, mister Cowherd.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well, Listen, Sometimes the very talented artist doesn't win the Grammys,
the slightly less talented artist does. I look at it
this way. Is that? And you know, I think Mahomes
is great, but there are some value additives to inheriting
maybe the best GM in the league, not name Howie
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Roseman and Andy Reid. And I think whereas Mahomes came
into pro football, it's kind of raw. Immediately he was efficient,
he didn't throw a lot of picks. And where is
the best coach, arguably Josh Allen's ever had left and
it's been kind of a Ken Dorsey. It's Brady, it's
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Staball a defensive coach who doesn't have a feel for
the tush push. Last year. I've said before, I think
if you traded Mahomes and Allen's staffs, Mahomes is better
and would have trophies, but Josh would have one too,
So I think Josh. I always feel like Josh has
to carry a part of the team, or I've never
felt I mean, Mahomes did has always mostly had outside
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of left tackle, a really good supporting group.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah and listen, Yeah and Josh.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Josh has just had the number one defensive football multiple
years and had the rushing champ this year and had
more turnovers in that game than Patrick Mahomes has had
in every single AFC Championship, Divisional game, wild card game
he's played combined, and by the way, in those games
he is fourteen and three with forty two touchdowns and
three interceptions. Josh Allen in those rounds in the division round,
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in the conference Championship round, I believe is now two
and six, or no, it would be two and six,
two and seven.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Who can keep track?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I know he had four turnovers in about forty five
game minutes on Saturday, and then everyone's like he needed
more receivers.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
I'm simple. I think he's a.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Great player, but you know, I am a little let
me just real quick. I'm a little conflict with this. Okay,
everyone's logic seems to be the Bills had to do
it this year because the boogeyman Patrick Mahomes wasn't in
the playoffs. And oh yeah, by the way, even though
they didn't do.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
It, he's better than the boogeyman.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
That's where I'm like, wait, why was it so important
the Chiefs not be there if the Bills.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Are better and Josh is better? That's my question. Okay,
So this is the reality for Mahomes. When Brady was
dominating the league, everybody's like, Aaron's the new best player? What?
And then when Brady is playing Mahomes and stacking the
people like Mahomes is better? And then Mahomes becomes the
best quarterback, Tom retires and everybody, myself included, is like, no, no, no,
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Josh Allen is actually better. Is the reality of being
the king is that a king gets old. We fatigue
on it. Lebron's not the best six years ago. I'm
telling you it's this new guy, Jannis. This is the
reality of our very fluid, very instantaneous gratification society. Is
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when you are the goat in Mahomes is we can't
wait to push you to the curve.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
That's all true.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
That's fair with the little addendum of Rogers in his
third years as starter went to and won a Super Bowl.
Patrick Mahomes in his second year as a starter, went
to and won a Super Bowl. And Josh Allen is
turning thirty and is yet to be in a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
And you have not only.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Elevated in best Mahomes, he's the most talented player ever,
the most Forget it, Jim Brown, eat it, Aaron Rodgers,
forget you. It just feels a bit much. But maybe
I'm being unfair. Now we can move on, Okay, fun debate.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Okay, So Caleb Williams, you know the fingernails. He's moody,
he's erratic. I did an essay last week where I said,
we've just got to judge him differently. He's not everybody else,
and I said, it took me a while to get there.
For the record, he has gotten a lot better. He
is better now than he was nine weeks ago. He's
just he stays in the pocket now because he's better
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in the pocket now. That's why he stays us. And
so I've come around. J Max said as yesterday is
we have to just own this. He is a top
ten quarterback in the league. Because this team is didn't
very good, and the coach is brand new, and it's
hard to win here in the division with Green Band Detroit,
and I think we all just have to own it.
He's another number one pick that looks damn good.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Yeah, I mean I am.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Think about how much growth he had just in the
last twelve months he left last off season or less
last season, and it's like, this guy takes the worst
sacks of any quarterback we've.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Seen in a decade, and he cut that out of
his game entirely. And then we were in.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
The first week of the regular season and we're like,
oh my god, the Bear's pre snap, they can't get
plays in. They have these formational things. He by the
midway point of the season had.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Fixed that entirely. Now he and he said it.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
His accuracy is what he needs to attack next, along
with his footwork. He oddly that preseason or training camp
video of Caleb missing the throws to the net with
the holes in it and then getting all upset, that
was actually a little telling. He did struggle somewhat on
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the easy stuff. But I would argue Colin the four
quarterback traits that are super important and are the hardest
to teach or impossible to teach are raw athleticism, arm talent, creativity,
and coolness under pressure, right, and he's a ten out
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of ten on all.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Four of those.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
So if the stuff that's hardest to teach, he's great at.
He already has made two plays this postseason on fourth
down with the game on the line that are two
of the greatest plays I've ever seen. I just believe
he'll get better at the other stuff, just like he
got better at Tate. Not taking sacks, but think about
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how far he came at On September twentieth, there were,
pardon me, there were talk shows in your adopted hometown
of Chicago being like, what would this team look like
with Tyson Baigent? And on January twentieth, we're saying, is
that the single greatest throw we've ever seen in NFL
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history to tie a playoff game?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So you know, at this point, I feel lucky. I
picked New England as my double year wind total team.
They're in well. I picked Seattle as my surprise playoff team.
They're doing very well. I loved bow Nicks from day one,
although he had a bad month this year, So I'm
and I've said this before. I think Stafford's going to
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go down as better than Aaron Rodgers if he wins
the second Super Bowl. I think the resumes will stack
him up and you'll go, Okay, it was better early,
he's better late. He had to go through dysfunction. But
I will say this with Seattle. The Sam Donald thing
is delicious is that I know what's going to happen
if they win. People will say, it's the defense, it's
the coach, it's the run game. Where are you on
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Seattle being the favorite? Do you think they should be?
And where are you on Donald Donald if he, by
chance it wins the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
All Right, so here's.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
The weird part about my answer your first question. Seattle
obviously should be the favorite. Okay, they have been the
best team all year. I know they just lost Charbonnay,
but they're healthy, they're at home, they can beat you
in every different way.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
I'm also picking.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
The Rams, so I belie like Sea Pattle deserves to
be the favorite. But I also think the Rams have
shown they play them very well and play them tight,
and I just I don't think the Rams have played
even close to their best game yet this postseason. But
if it's tight late I will like I trust Stafford,
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and I do think Stafford.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I don't know. I hadn't thought about the Rogers comp.
But he is.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Assuming he wins MVP this year, which he's going to.
That alone makes him a Hall of Famer now. And
if he does that and wins the Super Bowl, then
it's a whole another tier of quarterback. And by the way,
the only quarterbacks in a quarter century to win League
MVP and the Super Bowl same year Kurt Warner ninety nine,
Mahomes in twenty two, and it could be Stafford where
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I guess theoretically Drake may if he wins it.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
This year as well.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Now to the second part of your question, what will
we say about Darnold if he wins it? It's very
interesting because I think he is even if they don't
win it, he is one solid game in the NFC
Championship away from removing the biggest Yeah. But about him,
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which is and big spots? Do you trust him? He
was fine in Week eighteen when they were playing for
the one seed. Last week was weird because they won
so instantly, but he didn't make any big mistakes.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
He was fine.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
He just needs to avoid disaster this weekend to shed that,
and then from there, if they win the Super Bowl, Colin,
then you're just like, hey, he won as soon as
he got to a stable place and became the starter.
He got fourteen wins in with the Vikings and threw
for four thousand yards, and they were playing for the
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one seed late in the year. And he got fourteen
wins and threw for four thousand yards with the Seahawks
and they're playing for the one seed and got it.
I mean, that's a lot of words to say. You
will be vindicated your decade long belief in this player.
You will finally be fully and totally vindicated.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I will say this, I do believe Mahomes will win
another Super Bowl, and I think bo Nicks has validated
his efficiency and talent. But I want to concentrate on
this because if you told me there is one team
that is suddenly going to be for the next six
years of mahomes prime a problem, it would not be Buffalo,
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it would not be Baltimore, it would not be Herbert.
It would be New England.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Oh, New England. Interesting, Okay, they are.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Potentially Brady Belichick with a more athletic quarterback. And a
very current player friendly coach. They have pivoted in the
two areas you have to win football. Quarterbacks now have
to move right. Secondly, coaches have to be player friendly.
Mcveigh's tough, Mike McDonald, Demico Ryans are tough. They hold
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players accountable, but players love them. They're good guys, They're
player friendly. They have modernized in New England for brilliantly.
Same owner, same coordinator, a prototype for Belichick and Drake May.
Nobody can dispute this is darn good, really fast. I
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think this great. I think this of all the AFC
teams is the problem potentially. I'm not saying they want
one another, but this would worry me as a Chief fan,
not Buffalo Baltimore Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
So I want to see who Buffalo hires is their
head coach. Okay, because despite all you know, my fair
coaching analysis about a four turnover playoff game, I still
have massive respect for Josh Allen, and so I need
to see what Buffalo does there. But almost everything else,
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you just remove the Chiefs from it. Do I look
at the Patriots as next team up in the AFC undoubtedly,
And now listen, I have doubted the Broncos all year.
I have been wrong all year. I have doubted bo
Nicks all year. I thought he played the best game
of any quarterback this weekend, and he deserves credit, and
that injury is.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Such a gut punch.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
With that said, I believe Drake May is clearly and
obviously in a caliber above bow Knicks as a quarterback.
I also think while Sean Payton, another guy that is
kind of you know, has rubbed me the wrong way
while everyone else loves him, He's been brilliant all season
for that team, and his play goals were great on Saturday.
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You give it, So you give him massive credit. Just
the fact that Brabil is so much younger than Peyton,
I feel like, yeah, and allows him to grow with
Drake May is.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
So optimistic for them.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
So I agree with your kind of general thesis, which
is this Patriots team is very for real. Now, with
all that said, as much as I love Drake May,
he gotta stop fumbling the ball. Yeah, they The only
reason they won that Texans game is because the Texans
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couldn't pick up Drake May's fumbles. But in between the fumbles,
he's so sharp and he's so tough, and he's got
such a good arm. Listen, We've talked about it all year, Colin.
If you have the quarterback and you nail the coach,
there is no rebuild. Caleb and Ben Johnson won the
division and we're in round two in year one together.
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Drake May and Mike Rabel won the division and are
in round three in year one together. They have the
right coaching quarterback. They're gonna be together a long time.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Nick Wright, good stuff. I'll reconsider my Josh Allen comments.
That would only be reasonable. I mean I've been a
little well.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Here's what I Here's all I would just as a
favor to you. We always have to leave ourselves room
for when the guy actually accomplishes something.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
So if he's the.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Best player in the league and the most talented player
ever before he ever gets to a super Bowl, then
what are we going to call him when he wins it? Yeah,
give him the Nobel Peace Prize. Can't do that, starts
international conflict. There's nowhere to move with it, like you gotta,
so just give yourself a.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Little room to upgrade. That's all I would say.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Good stuff, buddy, Nick Grant, Yeah, you were so lucky. Man, wait,
what a great football season. I mean, college was unbelievable.
I agree with my boss who told Herbin Meyer chaos.
I've never enjoyed college football this much. I've never had
this much fun. Watching college football feels like thirty five.
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L Well, the NFL is better. They got more mature,
older players. Oh, college football is no gotten older. They've
got a real playoff system. College ball has got that.
They pay their players like they should. Players are getting
older because they're staying in college. I don't know. I
love what I'm watching. The hurt.
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All right, welcome back. Lot of stuff going on. Congrats
to the Indiana Hoosiers. Robert Sala's got a new gig.
Will he hire Mike McDaniel, the former Dolphins coach to
be as clever? Oc they got cam Ward, they're not
paying him for another four years. I think Tennessee keep
your eye on that division, which we've always thoughts a
little weak and wonky. But Houston's defense, Jacksonville's offense. The
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Sola and a top offensive coach with cam Ward, they're
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Speaker 8 (24:41):
Yeah, I'm I like this Titans team. I'm digging into
stuff all season.
Speaker 9 (24:44):
So fun.
Speaker 8 (24:45):
But we still got an NFC championship game this weekend, Colin.
That is gonna be pretty damn good. Seattle hosting the
Rams Sunday on Fox See Seattle two and a half
point favorite. Uh, this is their first trip to the
NFC title game since twenty fourteen against the Niners.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
That was the memorable Richard Sherman game.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
Obviously, the two meetings between the two this season have
been nothing short of phenomenal. You had the breakdown I
think on Monday about how I think the one point
was the difference in both games combined.
Speaker 9 (25:16):
You did not.
Speaker 8 (25:17):
Note that Sam donald has six interceptions in eight quarters
against the Rams this season. Seems like it's noteworthy. Mike
McDonald said he wouldn't want it any other way. I
think a lot of people are calling this the actual
Super Bowl. Yeah, given the poop pooh platter in the AFC.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, I think there was about a four or five
year roun I mean between the Patriots and Brady and
the Chiefs and Mahomes. It did feel like at the
top it was like the SEC for twenty years in
college football. It felt like the championships were going to
go through the AFC. I don't think there's any question
now that the best rosters and coach I mean, look
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at the coaching right now in the NFC McVeigh, Shanahan,
McDonald like at the top, there's some I mean, Matt Lafleur,
Dan Campbell's been great. There is some really good coaching
happening out West, and I do believe Seattle in the ramp. Listen,
it's the number one offense Rams against the number one
defense Seattle. It is best of best. I think New
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England would be an underdog to both. Denver on with
Jared Stoodam would absolutely be a touchdown plus underdog to both.
I think New England is the last hope for the
AFC to hoist a trophy because Denver's not doing it.
Bow Next gave him a shot. Denver's not winning the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
Yeah. Well, this NFC situation is interesting because Seattle has
emerged as the best team late in the season. But
let's be real, Kale for being one hundred percent authentic.
The NFC suffered from brutal injuries this year. Jaden Daniels
was in this game. Last year, he was injured and
Washington was terrible. Okay, we saw the Lions get hammered
by injuries, Laporta offensive line everywhere. We saw the Niners
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riddled with injuries. Michael Parsons goes down the Packers could here.
I think Seattle should be thrilled there here. I think
the Rams deserve it and the more we talk, the
more I think the Rams are probably decide. I'm just
hoping that the public bets it up to three so
I can get the full field goal.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
You like Seattle in this game, I sense no.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I think the line's right. I think Seattle. I talked
about this Sunday after it happened. I think Seattle should
be a field goal favorite special teams if they become
a factor, And Matt Hasselbeck said this on the show yesterday,
you may just be better to just kick the ball
through the end zone and not risk kicking the ball
or punting the ball to Seattle. Special teams in games
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like this matter a lot. I mean, when you have
two great coaches, two very productive quarterback. By the way,
Stafford can be reckless as well as Donald Stafford's got
before Sunday had seven picks and seven games. Stafford can
be reckless. But the difference between Seattle and the Rams
is this. The Rams are a cleaner team. They don't
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turn the ball over as much, they don't don't get penalized.
I mean this past week in Chicago, no draw passes,
So you're getting it's really best of the best, and
so to me, a three point favorite for Seattle feels
about right. My take is LA is the bet. Seattle's
the deeper roster. LA is probably the best if I
get Stafford McVeigh in that offense and a field goal,
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I don't care where the game's at. They just won
in you know, feels like minus eleven they can win
in Seattle.
Speaker 9 (28:26):
How much does experience matter to you? McVeigh huge eds.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
This is McDaniel's second game and by the way, he
sorry now, McDaniel McDonald this is his second playoff game
and he didn't even have to coach the fourth quarter
against the Niners. Okay, so he's never been in one
of these ten spots. And same deal for Darnold, like
he coasted. I think he had what seventeen pass attempts
or something ridiculous, Like I think Seattle's going to be
in some trouble. Let's go to the AFC and Colin.
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I don't know, I heard a rubor you might be
skiing during the AFC Championship game because there's not a
lot of excitement around Stidham versus May Sorry, Broncos fans obviously,
Vrabel and company are very excited to be here. Here
he is talking about the tall task after the Texans game, be.
Speaker 10 (29:09):
The best defense that we've played to date because it's
the next one. I mean, that's just how this goes.
They playing a lot of confidence. They're good on the perimeter.
We're really good up front. I mean, the athletics is
in their size. They put a lot of pressure on you.
So it's just how this thing goes. Each and every week.
They get tougher.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
It like even Brady struggled going to Denver. It's mile high.
It's tough. I think listen Zach Allen, like the first
thing he said, they're very good on the edge. Also,
Courtland Sutton and MEM's is gonna put pressure on New
England's corners. New England for the record, New England's secondary, dude.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
They are.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
They are really well coached and really athletic in that secondary.
Jared Stidham watch out because those that is a that
New England secondary. When Christian Zalees is out there, they
got playmakers. You could if you had to do a
crazy prop a pick six is not crazy against New
England because Zach Allen and that rush they're gonna get
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in Jared'stidham's face.
Speaker 9 (30:13):
That's Actually, I like that.
Speaker 8 (30:15):
That might be your best prop out of the season,
just casually dropping it on a.
Speaker 9 (30:19):
Tuesday pick six. Interesting.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Yeah, I mean, let's be real, this Broncos defense is
a little overrated Little Denver. Denver's defense could not stop
Josh Allen. I remember the Trevor Lawrence game. They hung
thirty four on the Denver defense.
Speaker 9 (30:34):
In Mile High.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
We saw Jordan Love just go up and down the
field until the injuries killed him.
Speaker 9 (30:39):
I'm looking at some other games like they struggled to
stop Jackson Dart earlier this season. I don't know if this.
Speaker 8 (30:45):
Is any They're nowhere near the class of the Houston Texas.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
We would agree with that, right Like.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I think the best roster going forward right now feels
like Seattle. The best defense feels like Seattle. The best
offense feels like the Rams and a team. The Rams
have holes corner and special teams. Seattle and New England
those rosters don't have holes. Yeah, I mean, Seattle is
spectacular on special teams. New England's good enough on special teams.
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So I think the Rams have a really high ceiling,
but they can have a floor. Carolina almost beat him
twice and both games it was the same thing. They
were struggling to make stops on the sideline.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
All right, final storycl let's go to the Detroit Lions.
You and I were hot on, Oh, Mike McDaniel would
be a great fit with the Lions. I guess they
weren't interested. Their conflicting reports on that. But the Lions
have hired a gentleman by the name of Drew Petzing
who was with Arizona for three seasons and then he
was quietly dismissed. I started to do some homework on
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him and mixed bag of results in his time in Arizona.
Detroit Lions fans are not exactly gee right now given
the potential of this offense. I mean, you've got Gibbs
Laporta's coming back com andraw. This is an offense. It's
on par with the Rams. When you talk about talent.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I would say this. You and I didn't spend a
lot of time watching or discussing Arizona. But if I
had a takeaway from Arizona this year is with a
defensive coach, their defense went into the toilet offensively. Arizona.
I looked up a lot during the season and they
were scoring twenty seven to twenty eight points.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
Jacobe Brissett too was a quarter, right.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Right, so, and I think they've got some nice offensive pieces.
But I thought Arizona's offense everybody's banging on this guy.
I'm gonna tell you right now. The O line at
Detroit is the gold standard compared to what he dealt
with in Arizona. The ownership's better in Detroit, the front
office is better in Detroit. So I mean my takeaway
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is everybody's criticizing this move. I watched enough Arizona to
think multiple times this year what their offense is kind
of interesting considering it's Jacoby Brissette. I was kind of
impressed with it.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
I mean, they did lose their running back, spacing on
his name. He went down midway through the season, and
Marvin Harrison missed a million games and they still were
putting up points.
Speaker 9 (33:15):
Michael Wilson emerged. So I guess I'm not going to render.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
A judgment yet because there's too much talent on this
Lions team to just totally go in the town.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
For top ten in passing offense and third down offense.
I don't know that. I think this guy is gonna
work in Detroit. I feel like today is he Ben Johnson.
There may not you get Ben Johnson. Like there's always
one or two coordinators that are top of class. That
was Ben Johnson. I think Detroit solved their biggest dilemma,
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which is Dan Campbell had to take over play calling.
Coaches don't want to do that. I think this guy's
gonna work. That's my happening.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
The other problem calling the NFC is like nine or
ten teams deep. Honestly, Yeah, Jaden Daniels says, let's not
forget him. Let's not forget Tampa, which cratered. Okay, this
is a really to conference. Lions probably get back to
the playoffs. But I'll tell you this, Minnesota Vikings, they're
going to be frisky next year with a HEALTHYJJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
How many games did Detroit win this year?
Speaker 9 (34:12):
I think they were nine to eight.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Okay, they're over unders only going to be about ten.
One of the best bets on the board is take
Detroit's over over to this. Yeah, because this guy is
not going to instill great Vegas confidence or media confidence.
Detroit's really good. They have. They went and drafted last
year interior alignment. It wasn't a sexy draft. Detroit knows
what the hell they're doing upstairs. Dan Campbell builds a culture.
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They had an OC issue last year and they just
solved it. In my opinion, Detroit is back to being
a formidable, capable NFC Championship contender. I'll stand on. The
Giants are my double the win total team and Detroit
is back in the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (34:52):
Okay, so I cannot This is going to be a
fun offseason because you've got now Detroit and the Giants
in Yeah.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
I'm curious who you're pulling.
Speaker 8 (34:59):
Out of the player because I think by my notes
right here, say you got nine teams currently in the
playoffs colin in the NFC. So we got a winnow
that down here in the coming months.
Speaker 9 (35:09):
Okay, not my guy.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Come on, Jay Mack with the news.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Usually I usually wait to the offseason. New York Giants
are my double the win total team and my Detroit
Lions are back into the playoffs team. I'll say it
right now. Do we tape this show? Are we back
to taping? Okay?
Speaker 5 (35:37):
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Speaker 8 (35:47):
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Speaker 1 (36:05):
One by one. Teams are hiring their next head coach.
The New York Giants got John Harbaugh. He is the
best coach on the market. Atlanta Kevin Stefanski Ivy League,
sharp offensive guy. Love that higher. The Titans got Robert
Sala was the best defensive coordinator in football this year,
doing it with a banged up Niners team. Miami got
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Jeff Hafley, been a college head coach, you know, kind
of the opposite of McDaniel, no flash at all, could
be very good. The two best openings, and this is
kind of instructive here, the two best openings We think
Baltimore and Buffalo because of Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.
Those are the two best openings, are they? What did
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this season show us? What did these playoffs show us.
If you have a superstar quarterback and pay him a lot,
your roster's not going to be great. Kansas City pays
Mahomes a lot, bat Old line, Buffalo pays Josh Allen
a lot. No Pro bowlers on defense. Zero listen to this.
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Zero of the top fifteen paid quarterbacks in the NFL
today are left in the playoffs. Let me give you
three really good rosters that don't appear to have any holes.
New England, Seattle, and Denver. New England and Denver quarterbacks
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on their rookie deals. And Seattle has a GM that
doesn't miss in the draft. And Sam Darnold is on
a very team friendly deal. So I look at this
and I say to myself, well, Buffalo is the best job.
You're not going to have a lot of cap space. Well,
Baltimore is outstanding. Well what happens when Lamar Jackson renegotiates
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his deal? I mean, and again, Baltimore drafts. Well, but
there are limitations it if Tom Brady was never the
highest paid quarterback in the league. Tom got it. Tom
gets a lot of things. He got it. Do you
want to win trophies? You can't worry about ego. You
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can't be the highest paid quarterback. So Robert Solid to
the Titans and whoever coaches the Raiders were, Fernando Mendoza.
I get high end quarterback talent and number one and
two in the league in cap space. That's Denver. That's
what Chicago did. Chicago went and bought Joe Toney, Jonah Jackson,
and Drew Dolman an entirely new interior line. Just went
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and bought it. What did they do this year in Chicago?
Much better? Avoid sacks? Well, their offensive line was great.
So here's John Harbaugh, who was the best coach on
the market. He not going to pay Jackson Dart anything
for four years. I mean, this is the recipe. This
is Bonix and Denver, this is Drake May. If Jackson
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Dark can stay out a blue tent, they need a
right tackle, a tight end and probably a corner. But
here's John Harbaugh.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Our focus is simple. It starts with building a team
that is physical and tough, that's capable of overwhelming their
opponent from beginning to end and especially at the end,
that understands how to finish, that is smart and discipline.
It plays the game the way it should be played.
Nothing will be taken for granted. It will always always
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be all about the team, the team, the team, the team.
Thanks Dad for that. It'll always be about Dad. Now
it's time to go to work.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah again. Our perception, my perception. I'm thinking about this
this morning. Is Buffalo's the job, Baltimore, that's the one
you want. New York Giants, Tennessee Titans. Fernando Mendoza in
Las Vegas. Yea a massive cap space. Look at what
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New England did to reinvent their roster in one year.
I mean New England had the worst receiving core in
the league, the slowest, not anymore. They drafted very well.
I look at the Giant and the Air. Thing with
the Giants is when you get the quarterback and the
coach right, it creates such clarity. They obviously need a
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right tackle. That'll be their first pick. Everybody in the
league needs faster linebackers in the great corner. I think
they need to go out and get another tight end.
It's always you know, there's always tight ends out there, third, fourth,
fifth round. But this feels pretty good now he does.
That's at least one of the New York teams has
their act together. Big Blue is coming back. I'll say
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it right now. Ten and seven at worst, twelve and
five in play.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
Hey, by the way, Uh, you know, the New York
media a bunch of sharks. They just they just cannot
wait to tear this apart. They are grilling Joe Shane
on so the coach doesn't report to you who has
finals say over the roster. They're stirring the pot already. Uh,
It's gonna get ugly in New York. I'm gonna go
ahead and disagree with ten wins. Con I'll go seven
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and a half.
Speaker 9 (41:23):
Eight.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
How many steak dinners you owe me I've lost?
Speaker 9 (41:28):
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Cristobal Caine's going nowhere. So a lot of people are
pushing back, you know. I saw some quote yesterday where
somebody in the league said, we've never had this many
bad owners of the thirty two current owners because of
all the coaching changes. And I'm like, okay, ten guys
got fired. Aaron glenn inexplicably kept his job. Appears to
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be over his head. So here's my take. There are
nine coaches in this league. I mean, how many great
coaches are there? Okay, there are nine coaches. To me,
take that graphic out. There are nine coaches right now
that I consider like inarguably culture and game changers. Nine McVeigh.
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I mean, look at him, Jim Harbaugh, Ben Johnson, Mike McDonald,
Sean McVay, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, the Miko, Ryan Shanahan,
and Vrabel. You don't have to always a trophy. They
just changed their side of the ball, or both sides
of the ball. There's another five guys that I think
win a lot of games and could very soon be
in that Maybe they should be Dan Campbell, Liam Cohen,
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John Harbaugh, Matt Laflure and Kevin O'Connell. Those are real,
he really good coaches. That's fourteen to thirty two. That's
all it is. I mean, name the franchise that got
rid of their coach and you're absolutely sure it was
a huge mistake. Shocker Cleveland Kevin Stefanski. Yeah, I think
that's a mistake. When you win two time Coach of
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the Year in Cleveland. I'd keep him, and he interviewed
for all the top jobs. Immediately, I'd say that's a mistake.
But Aaron Glenn kept his job, And I mean, how
do you not as a defensive coach over the course
of a season not produce an interception, and that is
I don't even know how to explain that a tip
pass would fall into your lap. So one coach shouldn't
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have been fired, another one maybe should have. I don't know.
I'm not bothered by it. Here's John Harbaugh, the best
coach on the market. I don't think anybody disputes that.
Here's his opening press conference. Pretty impressive for the New
York Giants.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's profound honor to be entrusted with the responsibility of
coaching the New York Football Giants, to be on the
biggest stage in the biggest sport. I know the challenges,
I understand the expectations. I know the fans are hungry
for a winner. We're here with one mission to become,
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to earn the right to be called the world champions
in New York, and that's what we plan to do.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, I'm not getting Ben McAdoo vibes there. I'm sorry
that sounds looks his sports coat fits. He was the
best coach on the market. Maybe he's one of the
top nine or ten coaches. Certainly an argument winning playoff record.
I've said this before four years in a row. I've
picked a double your win total team minds the New
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York Giants, they got to get a right tackle upgrade
at tight end. Everybody in the league could more use
more linebackers that run well in corners that can cover.
Probably could use one of each. But I think they're
going to be really good, really quickly. And with that,
Nick Wright is joining us live host of First Things First.
All right, let's start with Sean McDermott. I said earlier.
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It's always easy to do the Pittsburgh thing. Hey, status quo,
We're good. It's hard to do what Buffalo did eight
playoff wins. Hey we couldn't beat Mahomes. Well, welcome to
the party, right, Like, I'm okay with the firing. It
was clunky. They can't smell admirable and they probably shouldn't
have used that word they use. Yeah, let's just.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
It was to use admiral typo in the word six
of the press release for a coach that you know,
got you back to the playoffs before Josh.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Allen got there.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
To McDermott's credit, they broke that playoff drought with Tyron Taylor.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
You would have liked a little more care, you know,
to his dismissal.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I so I am a little conflicted on this. I
said to you before the year started, Colin, the most
important stat of the NFL season was every single coaching, quarterback,
combo ever that has won a Super Bowl together won
their first super Bowl within five years.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Of being together.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That's right, which.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Meant Harbaugh and Lamar year eight nervous, Josh and McDermott
year eight nervous, and now we find ourselves both of
those coaches have been dismissed, albeit for somewhat different reasons,
but similar to what you're saying, at some point you
might need a fresh start. I also felt that the
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level of devastation in that Bill's locker room, on Josh's
face and Dion Dawkin's face, and the coach calling the
Buffalo News whining about an obvious interception probably meant yeah,
in order to recover from another devastating postseason defeat, that
they need to make a change.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
So I understood all of that.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Where I'm conflicted is this, I do think Sean McDermott
was better at his job than Brandon Bean had been
at his, Yes, and I don't so I was surprised
that not only did Bean stay Bean got promoted, right.
But I also this is a big risk and it's
a big roll of the dice because if your win
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now Super Bowl window this moment, and I'm going to
go first time head coach Davis Webb, first time head
coach Joe Brady, Brian Dable, who I was not overly
impressed with his tenure with the Giants. It all feels risky.
I would I personally, Colin would hope that Western New
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York is too called for his girlfriend to live full time.
And I would ask Bill Belichick to take the job.
That's what I would do. I would say, Bill, three years,
break the wins record. You see, the Patriots are climbing
back to prominence without you.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
You can't feel great about that.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
What if you come in reclaim dominance over the AFCs.
So that's what I would do if I were the Bills.
But it's a risky move. But before we move off
the Bills, can I ask you a question?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Please? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Okay, So what do we where do we do the
blame pie for a guy who is just roundly called
it's not enough, it's called the best player.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
In the league.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
That's that's he's graduated way past that. The most talented
player in the history of the league who had a
four turnover playoff game missed the game winning touchdown twice,
and one of the turnovers was the single worst fumble
in the NFL since Nathan Peterman was starting. I'm just
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curious what we do with that, my friend, mister Cowherd.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well, Listen, Sometimes the very talented artist doesn't win the Grammys,
the slightly less talented artist does. I look at it
this way. Is that? And you know, I think Mahomes
is great, but there are some value additives to inheriting
maybe the best GM in the league, not name Howie
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Roseman and Andy Reid. And I think whereas Mahomes came
into pro football, it's kind of raw. Immediately he was efficient,
he didn't throw a lot of picks. And where is
the best coach, arguably Josh Allen's ever had left and
it's been kind of a Ken Dorsey. It's Brady, it's
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Staball a defensive coach who doesn't have a feel for
the tush push. Last year. I've said before, I think
if you traded Mahomes and Allen's staffs, Mahomes is better
and would have trophies, but Josh would have one too,
So I think Josh. I always feel like Josh has
to carry a part of the team, or I've never
felt I mean, Mahomes did has always mostly had outside
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of left tackle, a really good supporting group.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah and listen, Yeah and Josh.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Josh has just had the number one defensive football multiple
years and had the rushing champ this year and had
more turnovers in that game than Patrick Mahomes has had
in every single AFC Championship, Divisional game, wild card game
he's played combined, and by the way, in those games
he is fourteen and three with forty two touchdowns and
three interceptions. Josh Allen in those rounds in the division round,
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in the conference Championship round, I believe is now two
and six, or no, it would be two and six,
two and seven.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Who can keep track?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I know he had four turnovers in about forty five
game minutes on Saturday, and then everyone's like he needed
more receivers.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
I'm simple. I think he's a.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Great player, but you know, I am a little let
me just real quick. I'm a little conflict with this. Okay,
everyone's logic seems to be the Bills had to do
it this year because the boogeyman Patrick Mahomes wasn't in
the playoffs. And oh yeah, by the way, even though
they didn't do.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
It, he's better than the boogeyman.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
That's where I'm like, wait, why was it so important
the Chiefs not be there if the Bills.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Are better and Josh is better? That's my question. Okay,
So this is the reality for Mahomes. When Brady was
dominating the league, everybody's like, Aaron's the new best player? What?
And then when Brady is playing Mahomes and stacking the
people like Mahomes is better? And then Mahomes becomes the
best quarterback, Tom retires and everybody, myself included, is like, no, no, no,
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Josh Allen is actually better. Is the reality of being
the king is that a king gets old. We fatigue
on it. Lebron's not the best six years ago. I'm
telling you it's this new guy, Jannis. This is the
reality of our very fluid, very instantaneous gratification society. Is
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when you are the goat in Mahomes is we can't
wait to push you to the curve.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
That's all true.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
That's fair with the little addendum of Rogers in his
third years as starter went to and won a Super Bowl.
Patrick Mahomes in his second year as a starter, went
to and won a Super Bowl. And Josh Allen is
turning thirty and is yet to be in a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
And you have not only.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Elevated in best Mahomes, he's the most talented player ever,
the most Forget it, Jim Brown, eat it, Aaron Rodgers,
forget you. It just feels a bit much. But maybe
I'm being unfair. Now we can move on, Okay, fun debate.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Okay, So Caleb Williams, you know the fingernails. He's moody,
he's erratic. I did an essay last week where I said,
we've just got to judge him differently. He's not everybody else,
and I said, it took me a while to get there.
For the record, he has gotten a lot better. He
is better now than he was nine weeks ago. He's
just he stays in the pocket now because he's better
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in the pocket now. That's why he stays us. And
so I've come around. J Max said as yesterday is
we have to just own this. He is a top
ten quarterback in the league. Because this team is didn't
very good, and the coach is brand new, and it's
hard to win here in the division with Green Band Detroit,
and I think we all just have to own it.
He's another number one pick that looks damn good.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Yeah, I mean I am.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Think about how much growth he had just in the
last twelve months he left last off season or less
last season, and it's like, this guy takes the worst
sacks of any quarterback we've.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Seen in a decade, and he cut that out of
his game entirely. And then we were in.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
The first week of the regular season and we're like,
oh my god, the Bear's pre snap, they can't get
plays in. They have these formational things. He by the
midway point of the season had.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Fixed that entirely. Now he and he said it.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
His accuracy is what he needs to attack next, along
with his footwork. He oddly that preseason or training camp
video of Caleb missing the throws to the net with
the holes in it and then getting all upset, that
was actually a little telling. He did struggle somewhat on
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the easy stuff. But I would argue Colin the four
quarterback traits that are super important and are the hardest
to teach or impossible to teach are raw athleticism, arm talent, creativity,
and coolness under pressure, right, and he's a ten out
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of ten on all.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Four of those.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
So if the stuff that's hardest to teach, he's great at.
He already has made two plays this postseason on fourth
down with the game on the line that are two
of the greatest plays I've ever seen. I just believe
he'll get better at the other stuff, just like he
got better at Tate. Not taking sacks, but think about
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how far he came at On September twentieth, there were,
pardon me, there were talk shows in your adopted hometown
of Chicago being like, what would this team look like
with Tyson Baigent? And on January twentieth, we're saying, is
that the single greatest throw we've ever seen in NFL
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history to tie a playoff game?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So you know, at this point, I feel lucky. I
picked New England as my double year wind total team.
They're in well. I picked Seattle as my surprise playoff team.
They're doing very well. I loved bow Nicks from day one,
although he had a bad month this year, So I'm
and I've said this before. I think Stafford's going to
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go down as better than Aaron Rodgers if he wins
the second Super Bowl. I think the resumes will stack
him up and you'll go, Okay, it was better early,
he's better late. He had to go through dysfunction. But
I will say this with Seattle. The Sam Donald thing
is delicious is that I know what's going to happen
if they win. People will say, it's the defense, it's
the coach, it's the run game. Where are you on
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Seattle being the favorite? Do you think they should be?
And where are you on Donald Donald if he, by
chance it wins the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
All Right, so here's.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
The weird part about my answer your first question. Seattle
obviously should be the favorite. Okay, they have been the
best team all year. I know they just lost Charbonnay,
but they're healthy, they're at home, they can beat you
in every different way.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
I'm also picking.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
The Rams, so I belie like Sea Pattle deserves to
be the favorite. But I also think the Rams have
shown they play them very well and play them tight,
and I just I don't think the Rams have played
even close to their best game yet this postseason. But
if it's tight late I will like I trust Stafford,
(16:22):
and I do think Stafford.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I don't know. I hadn't thought about the Rogers comp.
But he is.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Assuming he wins MVP this year, which he's going to.
That alone makes him a Hall of Famer now. And
if he does that and wins the Super Bowl, then
it's a whole another tier of quarterback. And by the way,
the only quarterbacks in a quarter century to win League
MVP and the Super Bowl same year Kurt Warner ninety nine,
Mahomes in twenty two, and it could be Stafford where
(16:50):
I guess theoretically Drake may if he wins it.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
This year as well.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Now to the second part of your question, what will
we say about Darnold if he wins it? It's very
interesting because I think he is even if they don't
win it, he is one solid game in the NFC
Championship away from removing the biggest Yeah. But about him,
(17:15):
which is and big spots? Do you trust him? He
was fine in Week eighteen when they were playing for
the one seed. Last week was weird because they won
so instantly, but he didn't make any big mistakes.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
He was fine.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
He just needs to avoid disaster this weekend to shed that,
and then from there, if they win the Super Bowl, Colin,
then you're just like, hey, he won as soon as
he got to a stable place and became the starter.
He got fourteen wins in with the Vikings and threw
for four thousand yards, and they were playing for the
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one seed late in the year. And he got fourteen
wins and threw for four thousand yards with the Seahawks
and they're playing for the one seed and got it.
I mean, that's a lot of words to say. You
will be vindicated your decade long belief in this player.
You will finally be fully and totally vindicated.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I will say this, I do believe Mahomes will win
another Super Bowl, and I think bo Nicks has validated
his efficiency and talent. But I want to concentrate on
this because if you told me there is one team
that is suddenly going to be for the next six
years of mahomes prime a problem, it would not be Buffalo,
(18:33):
it would not be Baltimore, it would not be Herbert.
It would be New England.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Oh, New England. Interesting, Okay, they are.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Potentially Brady Belichick with a more athletic quarterback. And a
very current player friendly coach. They have pivoted in the
two areas you have to win football. Quarterbacks now have
to move right. Secondly, coaches have to be player friendly.
Mcveigh's tough, Mike McDonald, Demico Ryans are tough. They hold
(19:07):
players accountable, but players love them. They're good guys, They're
player friendly. They have modernized in New England for brilliantly.
Same owner, same coordinator, a prototype for Belichick and Drake May.
Nobody can dispute this is darn good, really fast. I
(19:27):
think this great. I think this of all the AFC
teams is the problem potentially. I'm not saying they want
one another, but this would worry me as a Chief fan,
not Buffalo Baltimore Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
So I want to see who Buffalo hires is their
head coach. Okay, because despite all you know, my fair
coaching analysis about a four turnover playoff game, I still
have massive respect for Josh Allen, and so I need
to see what Buffalo does there. But almost everything else,
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you just remove the Chiefs from it. Do I look
at the Patriots as next team up in the AFC undoubtedly,
And now listen, I have doubted the Broncos all year.
I have been wrong all year. I have doubted bo
Nicks all year. I thought he played the best game
of any quarterback this weekend, and he deserves credit, and
that injury is.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Such a gut punch.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
With that said, I believe Drake May is clearly and
obviously in a caliber above bow Knicks as a quarterback.
I also think while Sean Payton, another guy that is
kind of you know, has rubbed me the wrong way
while everyone else loves him, He's been brilliant all season
for that team, and his play goals were great on Saturday.
(20:44):
You give it, So you give him massive credit. Just
the fact that Brabil is so much younger than Peyton,
I feel like, yeah, and allows him to grow with
Drake May is.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
So optimistic for them.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
So I agree with your kind of general thesis, which
is this Patriots team is very for real. Now, with
all that said, as much as I love Drake May,
he gotta stop fumbling the ball. Yeah, they The only
reason they won that Texans game is because the Texans
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couldn't pick up Drake May's fumbles. But in between the fumbles,
he's so sharp and he's so tough, and he's got
such a good arm. Listen, We've talked about it all year, Colin.
If you have the quarterback and you nail the coach,
there is no rebuild. Caleb and Ben Johnson won the
division and we're in round two in year one together.
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Drake May and Mike Rabel won the division and are
in round three in year one together. They have the
right coaching quarterback. They're gonna be together a long time.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Nick Wright, good stuff. I'll reconsider my Josh Allen comments.
That would only be reasonable. I mean I've been a
little well.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Here's what I Here's all I would just as a
favor to you. We always have to leave ourselves room
for when the guy actually accomplishes something.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
So if he's the.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Best player in the league and the most talented player
ever before he ever gets to a super Bowl, then
what are we going to call him when he wins it? Yeah,
give him the Nobel Peace Prize. Can't do that, starts
international conflict. There's nowhere to move with it, like you gotta,
so just give yourself a.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Little room to upgrade. That's all I would say.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Good stuff, buddy, Nick Grant, Yeah, you were so lucky. Man, wait,
what a great football season. I mean, college was unbelievable.
I agree with my boss who told Herbin Meyer chaos.
I've never enjoyed college football this much. I've never had
this much fun. Watching college football feels like thirty five.
(22:52):
L Well, the NFL is better. They got more mature,
older players. Oh, college football is no gotten older. They've
got a real playoff system. College ball has got that.
They pay their players like they should. Players are getting
older because they're staying in college. I don't know. I
love what I'm watching. The hurt.
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Speaker 1 (23:58):
All right, welcome back. Lot of stuff going on. Congrats
to the Indiana Hoosiers. Robert Sala's got a new gig.
Will he hire Mike McDaniel, the former Dolphins coach to
be as clever? Oc they got cam Ward, they're not
paying him for another four years. I think Tennessee keep
your eye on that division, which we've always thoughts a
little weak and wonky. But Houston's defense, Jacksonville's offense. The
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overall personnel of Tennessee's not good. But if they get
Sola and a top offensive coach with cam Ward, they're
gonna have massive cap space. Raiders in Tennessee gonna have
massive cap space. Here's Jmack with the news. Turn on
the news.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
Yeah, I'm I like this Titans team. I'm digging into
stuff all season.
Speaker 9 (24:44):
So fun.
Speaker 8 (24:45):
But we still got an NFC championship game this weekend, Colin.
That is gonna be pretty damn good. Seattle hosting the
Rams Sunday on Fox See Seattle two and a half
point favorite. Uh, this is their first trip to the
NFC title game since twenty fourteen against the Niners.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
That was the memorable Richard Sherman game.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
Obviously, the two meetings between the two this season have
been nothing short of phenomenal. You had the breakdown I
think on Monday about how I think the one point
was the difference in both games combined.
Speaker 9 (25:16):
You did not.
Speaker 8 (25:17):
Note that Sam donald has six interceptions in eight quarters
against the Rams this season. Seems like it's noteworthy. Mike
McDonald said he wouldn't want it any other way. I
think a lot of people are calling this the actual
Super Bowl. Yeah, given the poop pooh platter in the AFC.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, I think there was about a four or five
year roun I mean between the Patriots and Brady and
the Chiefs and Mahomes. It did feel like at the
top it was like the SEC for twenty years in
college football. It felt like the championships were going to
go through the AFC. I don't think there's any question
now that the best rosters and coach I mean, look
(25:53):
at the coaching right now in the NFC McVeigh, Shanahan,
McDonald like at the top, there's some I mean, Matt Lafleur,
Dan Campbell's been great. There is some really good coaching
happening out West, and I do believe Seattle in the ramp. Listen,
it's the number one offense Rams against the number one
defense Seattle. It is best of best. I think New
(26:16):
England would be an underdog to both. Denver on with
Jared Stoodam would absolutely be a touchdown plus underdog to both.
I think New England is the last hope for the
AFC to hoist a trophy because Denver's not doing it.
Bow Next gave him a shot. Denver's not winning the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
Yeah. Well, this NFC situation is interesting because Seattle has
emerged as the best team late in the season. But
let's be real, Kale for being one hundred percent authentic.
The NFC suffered from brutal injuries this year. Jaden Daniels
was in this game. Last year, he was injured and
Washington was terrible. Okay, we saw the Lions get hammered
by injuries, Laporta offensive line everywhere. We saw the Niners
(26:57):
riddled with injuries. Michael Parsons goes down the Packers could here.
I think Seattle should be thrilled there here. I think
the Rams deserve it and the more we talk, the
more I think the Rams are probably decide. I'm just
hoping that the public bets it up to three so
I can get the full field goal.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
You like Seattle in this game, I sense no.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I think the line's right. I think Seattle. I talked
about this Sunday after it happened. I think Seattle should
be a field goal favorite special teams if they become
a factor, And Matt Hasselbeck said this on the show yesterday,
you may just be better to just kick the ball
through the end zone and not risk kicking the ball
or punting the ball to Seattle. Special teams in games
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like this matter a lot. I mean, when you have
two great coaches, two very productive quarterback. By the way,
Stafford can be reckless as well as Donald Stafford's got
before Sunday had seven picks and seven games. Stafford can
be reckless. But the difference between Seattle and the Rams
is this. The Rams are a cleaner team. They don't
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turn the ball over as much, they don't don't get penalized.
I mean this past week in Chicago, no draw passes,
So you're getting it's really best of the best, and
so to me, a three point favorite for Seattle feels
about right. My take is LA is the bet. Seattle's
the deeper roster. LA is probably the best if I
get Stafford McVeigh in that offense and a field goal,
(28:20):
I don't care where the game's at. They just won
in you know, feels like minus eleven they can win
in Seattle.
Speaker 9 (28:26):
How much does experience matter to you? McVeigh huge eds.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
This is McDaniel's second game and by the way, he
sorry now, McDaniel McDonald this is his second playoff game
and he didn't even have to coach the fourth quarter
against the Niners. Okay, so he's never been in one
of these ten spots. And same deal for Darnold, like
he coasted. I think he had what seventeen pass attempts
or something ridiculous, Like I think Seattle's going to be
in some trouble. Let's go to the AFC and Colin.
(28:51):
I don't know, I heard a rubor you might be
skiing during the AFC Championship game because there's not a
lot of excitement around Stidham versus May Sorry, Broncos fans obviously,
Vrabel and company are very excited to be here. Here
he is talking about the tall task after the Texans game, be.
Speaker 10 (29:09):
The best defense that we've played to date because it's
the next one. I mean, that's just how this goes.
They playing a lot of confidence. They're good on the perimeter.
We're really good up front. I mean, the athletics is
in their size. They put a lot of pressure on you.
So it's just how this thing goes. Each and every week.
They get tougher.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
It like even Brady struggled going to Denver. It's mile high.
It's tough. I think listen Zach Allen, like the first
thing he said, they're very good on the edge. Also,
Courtland Sutton and MEM's is gonna put pressure on New
England's corners. New England for the record, New England's secondary, dude.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
They are.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
They are really well coached and really athletic in that secondary.
Jared Stidham watch out because those that is a that
New England secondary. When Christian Zalees is out there, they
got playmakers. You could if you had to do a
crazy prop a pick six is not crazy against New
England because Zach Allen and that rush they're gonna get
(30:11):
in Jared'stidham's face.
Speaker 9 (30:13):
That's Actually, I like that.
Speaker 8 (30:15):
That might be your best prop out of the season,
just casually dropping it on a.
Speaker 9 (30:19):
Tuesday pick six. Interesting.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Yeah, I mean, let's be real, this Broncos defense is
a little overrated Little Denver. Denver's defense could not stop
Josh Allen. I remember the Trevor Lawrence game. They hung
thirty four on the Denver defense.
Speaker 9 (30:34):
In Mile High.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
We saw Jordan Love just go up and down the
field until the injuries killed him.
Speaker 9 (30:39):
I'm looking at some other games like they struggled to
stop Jackson Dart earlier this season. I don't know if this.
Speaker 8 (30:45):
Is any They're nowhere near the class of the Houston Texas.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
We would agree with that, right Like.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I think the best roster going forward right now feels
like Seattle. The best defense feels like Seattle. The best
offense feels like the Rams and a team. The Rams
have holes corner and special teams. Seattle and New England
those rosters don't have holes. Yeah, I mean, Seattle is
spectacular on special teams. New England's good enough on special teams.
(31:15):
So I think the Rams have a really high ceiling,
but they can have a floor. Carolina almost beat him
twice and both games it was the same thing. They
were struggling to make stops on the sideline.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
All right, final storycl let's go to the Detroit Lions.
You and I were hot on, Oh, Mike McDaniel would
be a great fit with the Lions. I guess they
weren't interested. Their conflicting reports on that. But the Lions
have hired a gentleman by the name of Drew Petzing
who was with Arizona for three seasons and then he
was quietly dismissed. I started to do some homework on
(31:49):
him and mixed bag of results in his time in Arizona.
Detroit Lions fans are not exactly gee right now given
the potential of this offense. I mean, you've got Gibbs
Laporta's coming back com andraw. This is an offense. It's
on par with the Rams. When you talk about talent.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I would say this. You and I didn't spend a
lot of time watching or discussing Arizona. But if I
had a takeaway from Arizona this year is with a
defensive coach, their defense went into the toilet offensively. Arizona.
I looked up a lot during the season and they
were scoring twenty seven to twenty eight points.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
Jacobe Brissett too was a quarter, right.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Right, so, and I think they've got some nice offensive pieces.
But I thought Arizona's offense everybody's banging on this guy.
I'm gonna tell you right now. The O line at
Detroit is the gold standard compared to what he dealt
with in Arizona. The ownership's better in Detroit, the front
office is better in Detroit. So I mean my takeaway
(32:55):
is everybody's criticizing this move. I watched enough Arizona to
think multiple times this year what their offense is kind
of interesting considering it's Jacoby Brissette. I was kind of
impressed with it.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
I mean, they did lose their running back, spacing on
his name. He went down midway through the season, and
Marvin Harrison missed a million games and they still were
putting up points.
Speaker 9 (33:15):
Michael Wilson emerged. So I guess I'm not going to render.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
A judgment yet because there's too much talent on this
Lions team to just totally go in the town.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
For top ten in passing offense and third down offense.
I don't know that. I think this guy is gonna
work in Detroit. I feel like today is he Ben Johnson.
There may not you get Ben Johnson. Like there's always
one or two coordinators that are top of class. That
was Ben Johnson. I think Detroit solved their biggest dilemma,
(33:44):
which is Dan Campbell had to take over play calling.
Coaches don't want to do that. I think this guy's
gonna work. That's my happening.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
The other problem calling the NFC is like nine or
ten teams deep. Honestly, Yeah, Jaden Daniels says, let's not
forget him. Let's not forget Tampa, which cratered. Okay, this
is a really to conference. Lions probably get back to
the playoffs. But I'll tell you this, Minnesota Vikings, they're
going to be frisky next year with a HEALTHYJJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
How many games did Detroit win this year?
Speaker 9 (34:12):
I think they were nine to eight.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Okay, they're over unders only going to be about ten.
One of the best bets on the board is take
Detroit's over over to this. Yeah, because this guy is
not going to instill great Vegas confidence or media confidence.
Detroit's really good. They have. They went and drafted last
year interior alignment. It wasn't a sexy draft. Detroit knows
what the hell they're doing upstairs. Dan Campbell builds a culture.
(34:35):
They had an OC issue last year and they just
solved it. In my opinion, Detroit is back to being
a formidable, capable NFC Championship contender. I'll stand on. The
Giants are my double the win total team and Detroit
is back in the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (34:52):
Okay, so I cannot This is going to be a
fun offseason because you've got now Detroit and the Giants
in Yeah.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
I'm curious who you're pulling.
Speaker 8 (34:59):
Out of the player because I think by my notes
right here, say you got nine teams currently in the
playoffs colin in the NFC. So we got a winnow
that down here in the coming months.
Speaker 9 (35:09):
Okay, not my guy.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Come on, Jay Mack with the news.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Usually I usually wait to the offseason. New York Giants
are my double the win total team and my Detroit
Lions are back into the playoffs team. I'll say it
right now. Do we tape this show? Are we back
to taping? Okay?
Speaker 5 (35:37):
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Speaker 1 (36:05):
One by one. Teams are hiring their next head coach.
The New York Giants got John Harbaugh. He is the
best coach on the market. Atlanta Kevin Stefanski Ivy League,
sharp offensive guy. Love that higher. The Titans got Robert
Sala was the best defensive coordinator in football this year,
doing it with a banged up Niners team. Miami got
(36:28):
Jeff Hafley, been a college head coach, you know, kind
of the opposite of McDaniel, no flash at all, could
be very good. The two best openings, and this is
kind of instructive here, the two best openings We think
Baltimore and Buffalo because of Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.
Those are the two best openings, are they? What did
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this season show us? What did these playoffs show us.
If you have a superstar quarterback and pay him a lot,
your roster's not going to be great. Kansas City pays
Mahomes a lot, bat Old line, Buffalo pays Josh Allen
a lot. No Pro bowlers on defense. Zero listen to this.
(37:14):
Zero of the top fifteen paid quarterbacks in the NFL
today are left in the playoffs. Let me give you
three really good rosters that don't appear to have any holes.
New England, Seattle, and Denver. New England and Denver quarterbacks
(37:35):
on their rookie deals. And Seattle has a GM that
doesn't miss in the draft. And Sam Darnold is on
a very team friendly deal. So I look at this
and I say to myself, well, Buffalo is the best job.
You're not going to have a lot of cap space. Well,
Baltimore is outstanding. Well what happens when Lamar Jackson renegotiates
(37:59):
his deal? I mean, and again, Baltimore drafts. Well, but
there are limitations it if Tom Brady was never the
highest paid quarterback in the league. Tom got it. Tom
gets a lot of things. He got it. Do you
want to win trophies? You can't worry about ego. You
(38:21):
can't be the highest paid quarterback. So Robert Solid to
the Titans and whoever coaches the Raiders were, Fernando Mendoza.
I get high end quarterback talent and number one and
two in the league in cap space. That's Denver. That's
what Chicago did. Chicago went and bought Joe Toney, Jonah Jackson,
and Drew Dolman an entirely new interior line. Just went
(38:44):
and bought it. What did they do this year in Chicago?
Much better? Avoid sacks? Well, their offensive line was great.
So here's John Harbaugh, who was the best coach on
the market. He not going to pay Jackson Dart anything
for four years. I mean, this is the recipe. This
is Bonix and Denver, this is Drake May. If Jackson
(39:05):
Dark can stay out a blue tent, they need a
right tackle, a tight end and probably a corner. But
here's John Harbaugh.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Our focus is simple. It starts with building a team
that is physical and tough, that's capable of overwhelming their
opponent from beginning to end and especially at the end,
that understands how to finish, that is smart and discipline.
It plays the game the way it should be played.
Nothing will be taken for granted. It will always always
(39:37):
be all about the team, the team, the team, the team.
Thanks Dad for that. It'll always be about Dad. Now
it's time to go to work.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah again. Our perception, my perception. I'm thinking about this
this morning. Is Buffalo's the job, Baltimore, that's the one
you want. New York Giants, Tennessee Titans. Fernando Mendoza in
Las Vegas. Yea a massive cap space. Look at what
(40:11):
New England did to reinvent their roster in one year.
I mean New England had the worst receiving core in
the league, the slowest, not anymore. They drafted very well.
I look at the Giant and the Air. Thing with
the Giants is when you get the quarterback and the
coach right, it creates such clarity. They obviously need a
(40:32):
right tackle. That'll be their first pick. Everybody in the
league needs faster linebackers in the great corner. I think
they need to go out and get another tight end.
It's always you know, there's always tight ends out there, third, fourth,
fifth round. But this feels pretty good now he does.
That's at least one of the New York teams has
their act together. Big Blue is coming back. I'll say
(40:55):
it right now. Ten and seven at worst, twelve and
five in play.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
Hey, by the way, Uh, you know, the New York
media a bunch of sharks. They just they just cannot
wait to tear this apart. They are grilling Joe Shane
on so the coach doesn't report to you who has
finals say over the roster. They're stirring the pot already. Uh,
It's gonna get ugly in New York. I'm gonna go
ahead and disagree with ten wins. Con I'll go seven
(41:22):
and a half.
Speaker 9 (41:23):
Eight.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
How many steak dinners you owe me I've lost?
Speaker 9 (41:28):
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