January 22, 2026 • 41 mins
Colin ranks the top 10 players in the AFC Championship Game including why Patriots QB Drake Maye is clearly inside the top 5.
Plus, Greg Cosell from NFL Films joins the show to breakdown what Bears QB Caleb Williams still needs to improve on and why the Rams can have success against the Seahawks' #1 defense.
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Whenever we get the big games Super Bowl, Conference Championship
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one or two regular season games, NBA finals, say who
are the ten best players? And so we decided today AFC, tomorrow,
NFC ram Seahawks before we get the Greg co sell
in a couple of minutes, who are the ten best
players between the Patriots and Broncos in our opinion or
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at least mine heading into the AFC Championship And here
we go.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Number ten.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Mike Onwenu, interior lineman New England, allowed two sacks on
seven hundred and twenty two pass blocking snaps. One of
the top four to five best guards in the NFL again.
It's not a great old lineman, but it's not a
great old line. He is a great interior O lineman.
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Number nine, Cortland Sutton. I think he's the most underrated
number one receiver in the league. Led Denver in catches yards, touchdowns.
I mean he catches touchdowns. There's only five guys in
the league. You start looking around one of five guys
thousand yards, seven plus touchdowns last two years. And boy
do they depend on him in big drives or what
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I mean? They locked bo Nicks locks in on him
whenever they need a big play. Courtland Sutton nine. Number
eight Christian Gonzalez. Patriots are thirteen and one and allow
eighteen points a game when he plays this season, Opposing
quarterbacks mostly avoid him. Opposing quarterbacks have a sixty one
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passer rating when they go after Christian Gonzales. Long, fast, strong,
good hands, strong hands. He's an ace. Christian Gonzalez. Number
seven Zach Allen, one of the better defensive linemen that
doesn't get credit. He led the NFL in quarterback hits
and pressures this season, including the playoffs. He's a beast.
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Then they get him from Arizona. Nobody was talking about it.
Great acquisition, unheralded big inside for Denver. Number six Garrett
Bowles probably plays a more important position, left tackle. Highest
graded overall pass blocker in the entire National Football League,
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higher than Trent Williams. He is a great pass blocker.
Fourth rated OT overall. Garrett Bowles.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Number five.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Stefan Diggs. Here's what's amazing and rare. He is graded
as a top ten receiver not only when he lines
up next to the sideline, but also as a slot.
You can move him all over the offense, and I
don't think they would have nearly the success. He's the
one guy. Sometimes you have to put. You have to bracket.
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Put a couple of people on Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Number four.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Quinn Miners, best guard arguably in football, highest graded guard
this season, First team All Pro. It's another guy's another guy.
They just don't allow. They all lot of loss sacks.
Bow Knicks doesn't get sacked. Some of it is Bulls
and Miners, some of it's bow Knicks. Dad's a coach.
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Doesn't take sacks. Quinn Miner is a great player. Number three,
and he's not even in his prime. Drake May he'll
get better first player NFL history, seventy percent completion percentage,
four thousand passing yards and rush for over four hundred
and fifty yards. And again, I don't even think he's
in his prime. I don't even think so far, he's
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been great in the playoffs. Drake May three. Number two
Nick Benito. Outside of Miles Garrett, he's the only player
with thirteen plus sacks the last two years, and he'll
probably get one this weekend. I remember at college at
Oaklahom I was a good player, and he's kind of thin,
got strong on that. He just he feels like he's
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getting better every year of his career, and he is
a dog in big moment. He is a he not
Miles Garrett maybe, but has a chance to be a
Hall of Famer. He is just a He's a dog
in big spots. Number one. Patrick's artan I think is
you can make the argument he's the best corner. Reigning
defensive player of the year, four time Pro bowler last
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four years, Voted the number ten player in the league
by other players. Six Broncos, four Patriots bought New England
at the most important position, has a sizeable advantage. Drake
May over Jarrett Stidham, and I think that's the difference
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in the game. Like Jmack, I think it's really close.
And I think I said this about Buffalo. I think
Denver's high end talent is outstanding. Bowls and Zach Allen
and Quinn Miners and Bonito and Sartain. I don't think.
I don't think there's many teams in the league, maybe Philadelphia,
maybe the Rams who have better high end talent. Now,
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if you went eleven through fifteen, I think you'd have
a few more Patriots. But six' Four Denver and with,
that you Know Greg sell me Think i'm out of my.
Mind let's go To greg Co sell fourty six YEARS nfl.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
FILMS i have a.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Soft spot for interior offensive lineman because we never talk about,
him but There Quinn minor is a great example of
a guy that you, know nobody ever talks, about but
he and. Bowls that offensive line For denver's a real.
Thing your, Thoughts, Greg.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
I'm just wondering where the long snappers are on your, List.
COLIN i figure they'd be in the top. Ten you
know the player that really stood out to, me And
i'm glad you had him very high AND i think
it speaks to a significant matchup in this game Is
Nick benito because As i'm sure you've noticed That i've
studied the. Tape, Obviously Will campbell has been having significant
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problems in one on one pass protection over the last
two three weeks against really good, rushers of Which benito.
IS i, Mean campbell has struggled With mac And oway
from The, chargers he struggled big time With hunter And
anderson from The, texans and now he's going to get
almost Exclusively benito Because benito lines up pretty much on
the right side of the defense ninety seven ninety eight
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percent of the. Time and the thing is is The
patriots are well aware of. This so what they've started
to do is help, him either helping him with, chips
which they do a, lot or.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Even with a primary pass.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Protector and that has an impact through your entire pass
game because now there's fewer receivers you can send out
as primary, receivers so you lose the numbers game even
before the play starts because you can't send out five.
Eligibles SO i think that Matchup campbell Versus, benito and
how The patriots want to deal with that is a
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pretty significant part of this.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Game all, right let's talk about two stories before we
get to the matchups Between New england And shut And Seattle.
Rams Caleb. Williams what did the film say About caleb
and the lost of The? Rams?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Even AND i think he's been like. That he's just
spectacular on the good. Plays think and he'll get better and.
Better you, Know i've talked to a lot of coaches
over the. Years i'm sure you have as, well and
most coaches will tell you that it takes two to
three years for a quarterback to really get a sense
of mastery within a specific offensive.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
System and we know That Ben johnson's system.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Has a lot of, detail a lot of, complexity a
lot of, nuance and that's going to take some. Time
there's no question this guy is a really kind of
elite talent just the way he throws a. Ball but
he's going to have to work on his lower body
mechanics because he throws a lot.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Of balls off. Balance because his arm, talent just as
an arm is so.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Good but that's one reason why He's his ball placement
at times becomes inconsistent and. Erratic BUT i would expect
the future to be very. BRIGHT i, mean he's really.
Gifted he clearly got better as the year. Progressed, yeah,
SO i MEAN i think it's a. Positive there's nothing
really negative to. Say the guy's only in his second.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Year mike McDaniel, chargers what will he potentially bring To
Justin herbert that maybe he hasn't had in his. Career.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
YEAH i don't know if you Know mike McDaniel at.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
All i've been around, him and he's an incredibly intelligent
guy just overall and incredibly intelligent and football as. Well
and you, know a lot of people immediately, thought, well what's.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
He going to?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Do you, know you can't run the two offense With Justin.
Herbert mike McDaniel knows. That i'm sure that was, discussed
and he's not going to do. That there might be
elements of, that because there's always elements of quick game
and rhythm throws in any, offense but he's going to
look At Justin, herbert.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Which i'm sure he has already in great.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Detail he probably did that before he interviewed with, them
and he's going to see exactly What Justin herbert's traits
are and he will tailor what he does in the
past game to What Justin herbert is because you always
tail your pass game to your quarterback strengths and you
try to minimize what you believe his limitations. Are the
one area THAT i think will improve dramatically will be
their run. GAME i, mean obviously they had a lot
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of injuries on THE o. Line assume That slater And
alt will be. BACK i would Expect omary and him
to have a really good season this year in A
mike McDaniel run. Game BUT i think it's a really
good signing Because mike McDaniel is incredibly, intelligent very, expansive very.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Thoughtful, okay let's Talk New england And. Denver do The
patriots offense or The patriots defense matchup better against The.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Broncos, well The patriots defense over the last number of
weeks has really been, good and they've increased their blitz
frequency and their blitz quotions quite a. Bit they play
a ton of man coverage and it'll be interesting to
see How Sean payton deals With Jared. Stidham, Now Jared
stinnam has been in that offense for three. Years he's
been With Sean, payton so this isn't new to. Him
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but obviously it's new, playing and it's obviously a big.
Game but my sense Is Sean, payton to, me is
not the kind of guy that's going to try to
hide the.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
QUARTERBACK i think he's going to play his.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Offense now, again that doesn't mean he'll do exactly this
same thing he would have Boned nix's. Playing BUT i
think it's about concepts and he's going to try to be.
AGGRESSIVE i would think on early downs where the predictability
of the defense is more than it is on let's,
say pure pass situations are third and. Long so BUT
i do not believe he will try to hide his
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quarterback in this game at. All but this has become
a very difficult defense to play, against with a lot
of really good players that a lot of people might
not be aware, of Like Milton, williams Like, Barmore they're
really good.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Inside let me.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Ask, You jared stiodhim out of. College do you recall
how you sized him?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Up, well what do you think of?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
HIM i Thought stidham was the kind of guy, that
in the right, situation with development and, cultivation could be
one of those mid level type. Starters you know that
he would need other things you, know you need a run,
game he need a good defense because he wasn't the
kind of guy you'd want dropping back thirty five or forty.
Times that he could end up being that kind of,
guy you, know and it hasn't worked, Out and there's,
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many many reasons why that does work out and doesn't work.
Out BUT i thought that he was good enough to
be one of those mid level starters if the situation
was absolutely.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Correct, yeah kind of A Kirk cousins maybe where you
could win a division with. Him you may not Win Super,
bowls but you can win a lot of.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Games, Stylistically, YES i think he's, that and he was
a little more mobile Than Kirk. Cousins but, yeah he's
you know, again we don't know what he's going to
do in this.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Game there's no way of. Knowing there's no way of.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
PREDICTING i Guess i'd be surprised if he's, Bad but
you know, again he's probably they're not going to ask
him to carry them unless the game turns into that
kind of game where he has to drop back forty.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Times, no we Know denver gets a pass. Rush is
The bronco defense built to stop or slow Down Drake
may and this offense it's Not, houston but it is
aggressive and get.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Sacks.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Well the crazy thing Was. Colin The bronco defense was
not very good last. Week and from what Everything i've,
heard they were playing against the quarterback who have only
is one of the worst in. Football that's WHAT i
seem to have been hearing all week on social.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Media but they could not stop The.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Bills The bills put up thirty points against, them and
that does not happen At Mile high or whatever they
call it. NOW i guess that doesn't happen very often at.
All they really didn't get To Josh allen very. Much
The bills pretty much went up and down the. Field
SO i would assume they'll play. Better you, know The
patriots offense is it's obviously a very good.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Offense may has not been quite as good in the.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Playoffs clearly last week they played a really good, defense
and that defense really dominated The patriots.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Offense last. Week The texans defense.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
DID i would expect the pass rush to be a
bigger factor this.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Week we talked About Will.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Campbell so you, know it is a very very good
defense and they're good at all three. Levels, now the
one area WHERE i think you can attack with The
broncos defense IS i think you can attack their linebackers
in the past.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Game, yeah all, Right RAMSEYAHAWKS la in two games games
has averaged thirty points in four hundred and fifteen. Yards
that's saying something Against seattle's. Defense, yes The rams offensively
been so effective Against seattle's.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Defense, well and everybody wants to Talk, stafford and in
the second, Game stafford was. Phenomenal but they have been
able to run the ball collin against that, defense and
very few people have been able to do. THAT i
think they've run for one hundred and twenty plus in both.
Games the style of running with their duo concept where
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you have double teams on both defensive, tackles has allowed
them to be somewhat effective because most teams cannot Get
Byron murphy And Letard williams block their two defensive. Tackles On,
seattle most teams can't get those guys. Blocked the forty
nine ers in two games could not get those guys.
Blocked they've both been unbelievably. Good it's a really good.
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Defense they're a nickel. Defense eminori is a you, know
plays lines up in different spots depending on what the
offensive formation, is and he's basically a four to Three sam.
Linebacker they're just very good at all three, levels and
they're a team that plays mostly out of a too deep,
shell so it's very hard to get big plays over
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the top of.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Them THE rams defense has, flummoxed has Confused Sam. Donald
belichick had success with. This what do The rams do
TO i Mean Sam donald a lot of wins and
a lot of yards and a lot of. Touchdowns the
last two Years rams have given him.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Fits Why, YEAH i think one of the things you
try to do with any, quarterback but With, donald who's
always at times had this, issue is changing the picture
pre snap to post. Snap some might remember in the
second game there was an interception By, wallace who doesn't
play now because lakes, back but there was an interception
By wallace where they showed man to man pre snap
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and it turned out to be zone And sam read
it as man and threw a pass that was picked.
Off SO i think With Sam donald you try to
do a lot of.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
That you try to change the picture pre snap to post.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Snap, now one area where The seahawks have been much
better over the last month is running the football. Now
Obviously charbonne's out in this, game But walker's been much.
Better walker has been attacking downhill much more so over
the last three four. Games he's often been much more
OF i always thought of him as kind of a jazz,
musician you, know sort of improvising and looking for.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Things whereas the last three four weeks he's.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Been a little more attacking downhill and getting the hard,
yards and that has allowed them to stay on. Schedule
and it's also with their defense Allowed donald not to
have to throw that many. Balls, now whether that happens
in this, game that's hard to. Know you don't know
how it's going to play. Out but in an ideal,
WORLD i don't think they Want Sam donald dropping back
thirty five. TIMES i think they wanted to be a
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very balanced offense and have their defense in some ways
control the paying tempo of the.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Game is the defense For seattle scheme centric coaching or
is it just? Listen they're long. FAST i Mean i'll
say this to get To Marcus lawrence at thirty. Three,
YEAH i MEAN i watched them this. Year i'm, like
has he got? Leaner who gets? Better at thirty? Three
on the defensive. Side do they just put them in better?
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SCHEMES i mean they get more of the safety out
Of South carolina has been. Fantastic what is it for cs've.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Been, fantastic you.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
KNOW i would never want to say that there's not
major scheme elements to a defense because you'd have to
know all the individual things they. Do and we're not
in the, meetings but BY nfl, standards WHEN i watch their, Tape,
COLIN i would say that they're more static than they
are doing one hundred different things like some, defenses but
everything they, do for the most, part is out of
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a two. Shell look even their pressures there's two shell behind,
it so they really don't give up much over the.
TOP i would say their pressures are where they're really really.
Good they're not a high percentage blitz. Team they rush, four,
right they rush four and they stuck really really. Well
but when they do, pressure it's really well. Done And
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mike McDonald has such a great understanding of protections by
the opponent and how to break them, down because that's
ultimately what you're trying to do with, Pressure you're trying
to break down.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Protections, Finally Sam darnald give me a play you like
From donald this?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Week, yeah, YEAH i Thought donald there was a great
play the touchdown he threw it To smith And. Jig
but he only threw i think seventeen balls this. Week
but let's look at the touchdown he threw To smith And,
jig because this was just a, really really good play
and the kind of play that you know is just
one of those you, go, wow that's just really.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Good and so this play obviously low red.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Zone you're going to See, donald he's under, center it's twelve.
Personnel you're going to have the back and two tight.
Ends you're going to see the two receivers, Here cup
And smith And. Jig but now they have reduced. Splits
and the reason they have reduced splits is. Goaues they're
going to run mirrored. Crossers so when you run cross very,
often you want your receivers closer to the ball because
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you want to get them across the. Field so now
what happens here is you're going to See pressman on the,
outside receivers A cup In smith and jiggba by the
forty nine, ers and you're going to See. Barner he'll
motion across the. Formation now that's just a mechanic of the,
play his motion across the. Formation obviously it's an important,
part but he's going to do. It so now what
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you're going to get is you're going to get play
action And Sam, darnold who will boot to his, left
he'll boot into the, boundary so there's not a lot of.
Space so ultimately what he's looking for here Is smith
And jigba on the crosser into the. Boundary but that's very, Muddy,
colin that's a very muddy. Look you're just uncertain as
to where to throw the. Football So sam has to keep,
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rolling he has to keep rolling, out and as he
gets further, out he sees there's another safety's sitting right.
There this play right now looks like it is absolutely,
dead but he just keeps rolling and makes it unbelieve
a throw To smith And Jake. Ben you can see
from this angle just how hard and difficult to throw this.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Is and that's just a big time.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Throw and the key thing is we all know with
any quarterback people like to focus With donald about it is,
turnovers and if he doesn't turn it, over their team
is really really good in pretty much every.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Area Greg cosel forty six YEARS nfl. Films we always get.
Smarter great Seeing.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Greg Thanks, colin appreciate.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
It, boy that is going to be something. Else these
games are going to. Be Really i'm bummed. OUT i
want to see bow. Next BUT i Remember jarreed stid
him in. COLLEGE i, Mean Sean payton got The Denver
remember when he paid him twelve million to be a
backup he was with A. RAIDERS i think they paid
him twelve. MILLION i remember being on the air that. Day,
man he must like, him, so you, KNOW i always
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say who likes the? Quarterback shanahan Loved, Donald kevin O'Connell
really Liked. Donald, Yeah DEN i kept buyding To donald.
McVeigh really Like Baker. Mayfield, WELL i, Know Baker mayfield's pretty.
Good stefanski for a, while really Like Baker. Mayfield Liam
cohen really Like Baker. Mayfield that tells Me Baker mayfield's pretty.
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Speaker 8 (22:10):
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Speaker 3 (22:23):
Now listen to this.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
Closely McVeigh was breaking down the challenge of.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Facing Sam darnold for a third. Time listen. Closely is
this a shot at your? Boy you want to be
careful not to chase.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Ghosts you know it is about you, know good, execution good,
fundamentals they're you, know they're they're a great, team and
they're great.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
In all three.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Phases we'd like to think.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
What warhammon and we're at our, best we're pretty good,
Too and so you are aware of those, things but
you don't want to do it at the detriment of
allowing guys to be able to go execute and play
the way that they're capable.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Of chasing.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
Ghosts, YEAH i don't think it. Is it's not really
in his but it's an interesting turn of.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Phrase, No, YEAH i JUST i don't that's not really how.
McVeigh McVay is very, respectful at least. Publicly you, know
he's a very respectful, guy very respectful to the league
and The shield and the, organization very humble and. GRATEFUL
i don't think he would do, that especially on two,
days three days out from the. GAME i. DON'T i
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don't think you want to rattle The Seahawks seattle.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Cage, Yeah i'm assuming what he meant, was, hey, hey
we won the first, meeting we shredded in them second.
Meeting you, know let's not look at. That we got
to come up with some new, stuff. RIGHT i am, curious,
though what The rams did in That week sixteen game
that was just six weeks.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Ago the teams have.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Not changed that much from, Them that's, right except The
rams are now Adding Devonte adams and arguably their best
offensive lineman who were not there that, day and The
seahawks are Down. Scharboney by the, Way charbone was integral
in both. Games he had thirteen touches in each of.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Them he.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Was he's a much better blocking back as.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well, yeah, no it's these are really even. Teams one superior.
OFFENSIVELY i mean mcveighs an offensive coach that gives you an,
edge but McDonald defensively is really. SHARP i think the
bet is la plus. Points that's my take on, this
because they've we Know stafford's good in these big. Games
we don't know, YET i Mean, donald it wasn't a
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big lift last. WEEK i Think i've said. This they're
both can be a little. RECKLESS i Mean Matt stafford
missed on four or five throws that he usually makes last.
Week the weather was. Bad he also had been before
last week on a seven, game seven pick. Streak the
difference is his resume is better and he's won these big.
Games but you, know you put pressure On, stafford he
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lets it. Go he's an aggressive downfield. Thrower donald's an
aggressive downfield THROW i think it feels like to me
that the positions that are really really, important like head
coach and, quarterback The rams have an experience advantage in this. Spot. S,
yeah that was the second youngest team In. Elite that
leads me to believe if it was IN, La i'd
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really like The rams In. SEATTLE i like the, points
but WHEN i have a head coach a quarterback advantage
in a big. Spot, Also Devonte adams tight Ends Kyan
williams been around now several big. Games, like there's some
key places. Here rams defense is mostly, young But Cam
(25:25):
curl's been around that safety for a. While they got From. Baltimore,
landman you, know was in the league before The rams had.
HIM i just think they have experienced a really good.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
Spots, yeah you want to guess how many games games
The rams lost by more than three points this? Season
just looking at their schedule here one, yeah That eagles,
game the blocked field goal at the buzzer that.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
They didn't even.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
Need every other game is. Closed The rams are in
every single. Game, NOW i will add As i'm looking
here at the. Schedule third straight road game for The,
rams on the road In, carolina on the road last
week In, chicago now To, seattle you, know for whatever that's.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Worth all, right let's move on to The Buffalo.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
Bills they are this week's flaming dumpster fire in THE.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Nfl.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
Uh The Terry pagoula press, conference The Brandon bean, Stuff sean.
McDermott i'm sure McDermott's side is gonna come out here.
Soon but, Uh Brandon bean took questions from the media
talking about his relationship with.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
McDermott there's certain things that fall in his his, area
where it's managing.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
A, game.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
How we how we scheme the, game whatever it is
that are. His and then there's certain decisions that personnel.
Related somebody's got to make the final. Call what was
the saying, About CAN i CAN i help?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Him? Alttle CAN i help you about the power play
part of?
Speaker 7 (26:43):
That i'm the kind of guy IF i sent you
on a power, play you're.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
OUT i don't like the owner stepping In. COLIN i
don't know about. You, Well Brandon bean fight his own.
FIGHT i think the, owners you, know it's their. Franchise
Garry jones talks twice a. Week why Can't Terry pagoula
talk once so?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Long how's That Jerry jones things working? Out how MANY
Nfc championship? Visits that's? Good thank you for that meat
ball over the.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
Middle but just a quick thing on the bean McDermott
colin like they had a good run. Together AND i
can't help but think about The Bill walsh.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Quote there's A Bill walsh quote.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
From a book circulating about how you know what coaches
are watching, film they're, grinding they're in. Meetings what's THE gm.
Doing he's hanging out with the. Owner how do you
think that's?
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Going?
Speaker 8 (27:33):
Well it can't possibly be my. Fault we got this amazing.
Roster we gave, Him Josh, allen we gave him. Everything
and they're not, winning. Right that's why gms are so.
Protected and, Man i'm just telling You Buffalo bill's, fans
they're not happy with this at. ALL i don't know
how they fix this other Than, Dable, like what other
name Besides Joe brady Or dable is going to make them.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Happy coaches make two to three times four times what gms,
do so you don't make as many moves with THE
gms because coaches are more and it's a quarterback coach,
league not a QUARTERBACK gm, league so gms don't get
fired as, much but they don't make nearly as much.
Money SO i think it's, now let's Attack Brandon bean
(28:11):
that he's a. BUM I i that's a little, strong but,
YEAH i, MEAN i just you, KNOW i Think brandon
Be Terry thegoula is a very smart. GUY i don't
think he'd be. Manipulated you, Know i'm reading all these. Stories,
well this, Guy Brandon, bean he is Really i've. Heard
this is What i've been. Told real, sharp very good
(28:32):
with a, cap very good with. Business maybe not a
top three personnel, guy but he's. Not the offense has
all sorts of good, Players Dawson knox And Dalton, kincaid
and go look at their offensive, Line James cook and
the slot kid out Of Boise state And Josh. Allen
let's not pretending you don't have any. Players and by the,
way their defensive Front oliver was his draft. Pick they
(28:54):
got the kid out Of. Iowa they have some decent
guys up FOR i don't think they are great, defense.
Speaker 8 (29:00):
But that's the thing people are drilling down on all
these picks that you're, like, decent good and they're not all,
pros and then barely making programs and Even.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Cable let me ask you, this what's the worst place
in the first round of? DRAFT i, mean EVERY Gm
i've ever talked, to it's. There but once you Get
mahomes you used to In Buffalo, baltimore you start drafting
twenty sixth down that those are second round. Players so
like The chiefs Got Xavier. Worthy Xavier worthy is a gadget.
(29:29):
Receiver it was a week. Draft it was the best guy.
Available you don't Think Xavier worthy is a first round.
Player when you draft at the end of the first,
round they end up getting guys that are really second round.
Players so let me just defend THE. Nfl it's hard
to win in this. League but when you get GREAT i,
mean right, now think about. This The rams have been
(29:50):
good since McBay got. There they have one first round
pick in nine. Years they nailed It jared versus. One
why because The rams and this year they've got a
really high end you, know closer to the, middle but
high end first round. Pick they never have. That so
it's Like that's why The rams don't be shocked if
they don't go Get Ty simpson with their first pick
(30:11):
in reach because said they're going to be at the
bottom of the first round for the next ten.
Speaker 8 (30:14):
Years that's a good. Question so how do We how
are we supposed to grade? Gms that's the tough.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
One is it free? Agency is it the?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Draft let me, say is it the?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
CAP i mean it's not.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Easy let me say. This there are two or three.
Things if you ask my wife OR i asked, yours
that they're going to judge us on one or two
or three, things you can screw up taking the garbage.
Out if you're A, GM i do that and you
get the superstar quarterback right in the. Draft you can
make a lot of. Mistakes you can make a lot of.
(30:44):
Mistakes ALL i know is This Ryan poles with The.
Bears he GOT Dj, moore he Got Caleb. Williams he
made Two now he's had some MOVES i don't, love
But Ben Johnson Caleb williams, Right, like you can say
what you want and pick these guys. Apart if you
get the quarterback, Right Brandon being got the quarterback, Right
Brett veach got the quarterback. Right McVay rolled the, dice
(31:08):
had to Pay golf And. Stafford he got the quarterback,
right which isn't.
Speaker 8 (31:12):
Easy let's be, real getting the quarterback right is not.
Easy ask My, jets ask The browns. ASK i mean
The panthers with price and like a lot of people
think their, Quarterback.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Denver had to eventually go Get Peyton manning to Replace.
Elway all those years they had smart, gms they couldn't
get the. Quarterback Jake plumber was, good but it's. Hard
so like if you get the quarterback, right the left,
tackle the, star you know this that this is it's
a much harder job than people you're drafting twenty two
(31:41):
year old. Kids you go draft the receiver From, florida
one of the warm. Estates he now goes To buffalo
in a sophisticated, offense and it's, like, well how come
you're not any?
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Good he's just.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Young he's trying To you, know this stuff is way
harder than everybody.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
Think get us in That eagles war room For Howie.
Roseman all, right let's go to the final.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Story.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
Coln that's The Kansas City chiefs and after The eric
the enemy news that he's their NEW. Oc Travis kelcey
was on His New heights podcast and, boy she's fans
desperate for anything positive our tickets of breadcrumbs that this
might Mean kelsey is considering RETURNING.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Eb and who he is as as a.
Speaker 10 (32:20):
Coach you can see kind of his, personality what he
brings to his table in That chicago.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
TEAM i can't wait to see him back in the. Building,
man He's he's one.
Speaker 10 (32:28):
Of my favorite coaches of all, time one of my
favorite people of all. Time i've had so many, unbelievable you,
know growing moments under him as a as a, player
as a, person AND i just love the guy and
it was.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
INTERESTING i can't wait to see him in the. Building
what does that? MEAN i, DON'T i.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
DON'T i gotta be careful, here. Listen i'm a lot
of people Like Eric bane, ME i know a lot
Of chiefs.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Fans watch the. Show i'm just going to tell you
what he did since Leaving.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
Casey so he went to The Washington commander's assistant head
COACH oc didn't quite work, Out, Okay then he goes
TO ucla same, Deal Chicago bears running backs coach this.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Season oh, well maybe he could parlay that into. Something
now he's.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Back with The.
Speaker 8 (33:15):
CHIEFS i don't know if he's gonna be calling.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
PLAYS i don't.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
See What kelsey's so excited, about unless this is getting
the band back.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Together the bigger story Is kelsey sounds like he's coming.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
Back, wow come, on he's got to say. Something he's
got to leave some breadcrumbs out. There so you listen
to his, podcast, right you gotta say. Something he can't be, Like,
Oh i'm planning a, wedding planning a wedding of the.
Year DO i Invite cowhard and MacIntire Cow coward lives
right near near the.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
WEDDING i am very Pro Travis. KELSEY i HOPE i
get an.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Invite.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
Ye by the, WAY i know someone on staff who
will be. GOING i don't know if my wife will love.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
To go to the, date honor to go To Taylor
swift And travis' same same.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Seas, Yeah jmack with a New well.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
That's the, news and thanks for stopping by the Herd line.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
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Speaker 1 (34:37):
Fox so we talk a lot about culture on this.
Show is that when you're hiring a. Coach we've discussed
as many times it's your you're trying to get A. Ceo,
basically if he's great, schematically that's a, bonus but that's
not really what you're hiring the leader of.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Man.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Culture what does culture? MEAN i don't know what it.
MEANS i do from parenting to being. Parented mostly culture
in a, house in a business starts with. Accountability don't
be a victim head. Down it's not. Perfect got to be.
Accountable and So Ben johnson said this yesterday or the day,
(35:17):
before AND i actually he's not wrong very, much but
he was being too. Humble he talked, about you, know
the stepping stone of having a great. Year What Ben
johnson came out to, say is we're starting from ground.
Zero nothing matters that we did last. Year it's ground,
zero none of it. Matters and that's raised wrong because
(35:39):
what's already been established is. Accountability and so you, know
there was a. Moment you, know he disputes whether he
yanked him off the, field but there were a couple
of moments during day one of training camp he did
tell the number one offense get off the. Field we're
not you got to get the pre snap post snap.
(36:01):
Stuff this can't be this. Difficult and that's. Accountability Ben
johnson's mantra has always been, good, better, best and he
just sets high. Standards to, me culture starts with accountability and.
Standards you, Know Mike frable In New england apparently walked
in and like the locker room there were like towels,
everywhere towels in the shower and he's like ring them,
(36:22):
out don't wash, him make the players put him in
the right. Spot just. Accountability AND i remember during the
year there was a moment where it was late in
the year and The bears were nine and three In
december and at the, Podium Ben johnson, said we're winning
(36:43):
in spite of our offense nine and, three and throughout
my course of being In chicago here for seven eight,
MONTHS i will get people that will come up to
me during the, season why are you so hard on The?
Bears And i'm, like have you heard the? Coach the
coach is hard on The. Bears and that's WHAT i really.
Appreciate he's not. PANDERING i. Said THE nba is all
(37:05):
about taking care of the. Star they get offended by,
tweets like THE nfl is like it's a grown up.
League like handle the. Criticism you're on a winning. Streak
so what The bears in won nine of, ten five.
Straight they're nine and three In, december And Ben johnson's,
like we're winning in spite of our, offense and that
was Always. Belichick it's, like you, know we don't hand
(37:26):
out vouquets and. Flowers it's not a world of, rainbows
like we're. Not AND i will say. This Greg cosell
talked about this, earlier is that he's still the mechanics
his footworked aren't, great and a lot of it's because
he's so gifted waist, up he's got such a strong.
Arm that was always A cam Think cam's Mechanics stafford
(37:47):
when he was In, DETROIT i always thought had hit
and miss. Mechanics now In LA's mechanics are great because
McVeigh demands That Cam newton's McVeigh was so. Strong Big
ben in a little bit of, this you know WHAT i,
Mean like when you have that home run jet FUEL
v eight, arm your mechanics can get slot because you
can get away with so much. Stuff and that's one
of the things That Ben johnson like corrected and will work.
(38:09):
On it's one of the Things Greg kosell talked. About
his mechanics are. Okay that's why he's completing forty or
fifty four, percent fifty eight percent and not sixty two.
Percent SO i JUST i appreciate it. That WHEN i
mean it's a one year, ANNIVERSARY i think yesterday Of
Ben johnson's, hiring and it was they were arguably that
the worst culture in the. DIVISION a year, AGO i
(38:32):
would argue it's the best culture because of. Standards The
lions in division settled for an offensive coordinator When ben,
left who they were comfortable with didn't have much play calling.
Experience that's not the. Standard that's not the Standard ben
set for the. Offense philadelphia offensive Coordinator Kellen moore LEAVES
(38:53):
i got To Nick sirianni's buddy who he's comfortable. With
that's not the. Standard so you, know as grumpy As
Kurt signetti is or As belichick, WAS i, mean you
don't See Ben johnson laughing a lot like it's hard
to force millionaires to be accountable every day at. Practice
the little stuff. Matters so when we talk about, culture
(39:16):
what is, IT i don't.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
KNOW i just know.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
This don't be a, victim be, accountable don't pander even
when it's always easier to criticize players when you're. Winning
when a player is, losing you're on a losing, streak
everybody's a little defensive and a little. Prickly when you're
on a five game winning, streak it is so easy
to put your arm on somebody's shoulder at the same
(39:41):
time you're kicking them in the, butt, saying you know,
what just some mechanics aren't good. Enough you're better than.
This SO i just. APPRECIATE i remember When Ben johnson
first day at, camp he even got prickly with The chicago.
MEDIA i didn't kick him out of, camp but he
acknowledged they weren't very. Good we took him off the.
FIELD i like.
Speaker 11 (39:58):
It some people enjoyed me throwing the first team out of.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
Practice not the.
Speaker 11 (40:06):
Case we got to end up executing getting in and
out of the huddle a certain, way and it wasn't that.
Way and we're, learning we're. Growing you, know there were
some things from the springtime expected to carry over that
that was probably one we just don't have any tolerance for.
Anymore we got we got too far to.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
GO i said this. Yesterday When Tiki barber came to
The New York, giants he had a fumble. Problem and
Then Tom kafflin arrived and he had no fumble. Problem
Kurt signettes's teams don't. Fumble belichick's teams don't. Fumble the
rams in lousy weather for AN la team went To,
chicago no, penalties no drop. Passes that's. Incredible that's. Accountability
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that's coaching during the week and not letting it. HAPPEN
i always remember WHEN i was, YOUNG i don't Remember
John wooden, coaching you, KNOW i just there wasn't a
lot of college basketball ON tv WHEN i, was you, know,
young AND i don't Remember john WOULDN'T i read About
John wood in The pyramid Of. Success but one of
the THINGS i always remember About woulden WHENEVER i saw
him is he was never yelling during. Games he was
(41:09):
just sitting there with his. Program And i'm, like because
he was accountable during, practice you don't have to do
as much, coaching. Right Mike krzyzewski barks at the officials
all the. Time he barks at his players during. Practice during,
games he's more barking at the. Officials All, right hour
three coming. UP i can't wait for this. Weekend did
(41:32):
The mets sign somebody? ELSE i gotta, ask are we?
Outraged enraged on The? Mets it's so interesting to me
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Whenever we get the big games Super Bowl, Conference Championship
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one or two regular season games, NBA finals, say who
are the ten best players? And so we decided today AFC, tomorrow,
NFC ram Seahawks before we get the Greg co sell
in a couple of minutes, who are the ten best
players between the Patriots and Broncos in our opinion or
(01:12):
at least mine heading into the AFC Championship And here
we go.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Number ten.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Mike Onwenu, interior lineman New England, allowed two sacks on
seven hundred and twenty two pass blocking snaps. One of
the top four to five best guards in the NFL again.
It's not a great old lineman, but it's not a
great old line. He is a great interior O lineman.
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Number nine, Cortland Sutton. I think he's the most underrated
number one receiver in the league. Led Denver in catches yards, touchdowns.
I mean he catches touchdowns. There's only five guys in
the league. You start looking around one of five guys
thousand yards, seven plus touchdowns last two years. And boy
do they depend on him in big drives or what
(02:02):
I mean? They locked bo Nicks locks in on him
whenever they need a big play. Courtland Sutton nine. Number
eight Christian Gonzalez. Patriots are thirteen and one and allow
eighteen points a game when he plays this season, Opposing
quarterbacks mostly avoid him. Opposing quarterbacks have a sixty one
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passer rating when they go after Christian Gonzales. Long, fast, strong,
good hands, strong hands. He's an ace. Christian Gonzalez. Number
seven Zach Allen, one of the better defensive linemen that
doesn't get credit. He led the NFL in quarterback hits
and pressures this season, including the playoffs. He's a beast.
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Then they get him from Arizona. Nobody was talking about it.
Great acquisition, unheralded big inside for Denver. Number six Garrett
Bowles probably plays a more important position, left tackle. Highest
graded overall pass blocker in the entire National Football League,
(03:06):
higher than Trent Williams. He is a great pass blocker.
Fourth rated OT overall. Garrett Bowles.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Number five.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Stefan Diggs. Here's what's amazing and rare. He is graded
as a top ten receiver not only when he lines
up next to the sideline, but also as a slot.
You can move him all over the offense, and I
don't think they would have nearly the success. He's the
one guy. Sometimes you have to put. You have to bracket.
(03:38):
Put a couple of people on Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Number four.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Quinn Miners, best guard arguably in football, highest graded guard
this season, First team All Pro. It's another guy's another guy.
They just don't allow. They all lot of loss sacks.
Bow Knicks doesn't get sacked. Some of it is Bulls
and Miners, some of it's bow Knicks. Dad's a coach.
(04:02):
Doesn't take sacks. Quinn Miner is a great player. Number three,
and he's not even in his prime. Drake May he'll
get better first player NFL history, seventy percent completion percentage,
four thousand passing yards and rush for over four hundred
and fifty yards. And again, I don't even think he's
in his prime. I don't even think so far, he's
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been great in the playoffs. Drake May three. Number two
Nick Benito. Outside of Miles Garrett, he's the only player
with thirteen plus sacks the last two years, and he'll
probably get one this weekend. I remember at college at
Oaklahom I was a good player, and he's kind of thin,
got strong on that. He just he feels like he's
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getting better every year of his career, and he is
a dog in big moment. He is a he not
Miles Garrett maybe, but has a chance to be a
Hall of Famer. He is just a He's a dog
in big spots. Number one. Patrick's artan I think is
you can make the argument he's the best corner. Reigning
defensive player of the year, four time Pro bowler last
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four years, Voted the number ten player in the league
by other players. Six Broncos, four Patriots bought New England
at the most important position, has a sizeable advantage. Drake
May over Jarrett Stidham, and I think that's the difference
(05:27):
in the game. Like Jmack, I think it's really close.
And I think I said this about Buffalo. I think
Denver's high end talent is outstanding. Bowls and Zach Allen
and Quinn Miners and Bonito and Sartain. I don't think.
I don't think there's many teams in the league, maybe Philadelphia,
maybe the Rams who have better high end talent. Now,
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if you went eleven through fifteen, I think you'd have
a few more Patriots. But six' Four Denver and with,
that you Know Greg sell me Think i'm out of my.
Mind let's go To greg Co sell fourty six YEARS nfl.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
FILMS i have a.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Soft spot for interior offensive lineman because we never talk about,
him but There Quinn minor is a great example of
a guy that you, know nobody ever talks, about but
he and. Bowls that offensive line For denver's a real.
Thing your, Thoughts, Greg.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
I'm just wondering where the long snappers are on your, List.
COLIN i figure they'd be in the top. Ten you
know the player that really stood out to, me And
i'm glad you had him very high AND i think
it speaks to a significant matchup in this game Is
Nick benito because As i'm sure you've noticed That i've
studied the. Tape, Obviously Will campbell has been having significant
(06:45):
problems in one on one pass protection over the last
two three weeks against really good, rushers of Which benito.
IS i, Mean campbell has struggled With mac And oway
from The, chargers he struggled big time With hunter And
anderson from The, texans and now he's going to get
almost Exclusively benito Because benito lines up pretty much on
the right side of the defense ninety seven ninety eight
(07:08):
percent of the. Time and the thing is is The
patriots are well aware of. This so what they've started
to do is help, him either helping him with, chips
which they do a, lot or.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Even with a primary pass.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Protector and that has an impact through your entire pass
game because now there's fewer receivers you can send out
as primary, receivers so you lose the numbers game even
before the play starts because you can't send out five.
Eligibles SO i think that Matchup campbell Versus, benito and
how The patriots want to deal with that is a
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pretty significant part of this.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Game all, right let's talk about two stories before we
get to the matchups Between New england And shut And Seattle.
Rams Caleb. Williams what did the film say About caleb
and the lost of The? Rams?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Even AND i think he's been like. That he's just
spectacular on the good. Plays think and he'll get better and.
Better you, Know i've talked to a lot of coaches
over the. Years i'm sure you have as, well and
most coaches will tell you that it takes two to
three years for a quarterback to really get a sense
of mastery within a specific offensive.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
System and we know That Ben johnson's system.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Has a lot of, detail a lot of, complexity a
lot of, nuance and that's going to take some. Time
there's no question this guy is a really kind of
elite talent just the way he throws a. Ball but
he's going to have to work on his lower body
mechanics because he throws a lot.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Of balls off. Balance because his arm, talent just as
an arm is so.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Good but that's one reason why He's his ball placement
at times becomes inconsistent and. Erratic BUT i would expect
the future to be very. BRIGHT i, mean he's really.
Gifted he clearly got better as the year. Progressed, yeah,
SO i MEAN i think it's a. Positive there's nothing
really negative to. Say the guy's only in his second.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Year mike McDaniel, chargers what will he potentially bring To
Justin herbert that maybe he hasn't had in his. Career.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
YEAH i don't know if you Know mike McDaniel at.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
All i've been around, him and he's an incredibly intelligent
guy just overall and incredibly intelligent and football as. Well
and you, know a lot of people immediately, thought, well what's.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
He going to?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Do you, know you can't run the two offense With Justin.
Herbert mike McDaniel knows. That i'm sure that was, discussed
and he's not going to do. That there might be
elements of, that because there's always elements of quick game
and rhythm throws in any, offense but he's going to
look At Justin, herbert.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Which i'm sure he has already in great.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Detail he probably did that before he interviewed with, them
and he's going to see exactly What Justin herbert's traits
are and he will tailor what he does in the
past game to What Justin herbert is because you always
tail your pass game to your quarterback strengths and you
try to minimize what you believe his limitations. Are the
one area THAT i think will improve dramatically will be
their run. GAME i, mean obviously they had a lot
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of injuries on THE o. Line assume That slater And
alt will be. BACK i would Expect omary and him
to have a really good season this year in A
mike McDaniel run. Game BUT i think it's a really
good signing Because mike McDaniel is incredibly, intelligent very, expansive very.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Thoughtful, okay let's Talk New england And. Denver do The
patriots offense or The patriots defense matchup better against The.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Broncos, well The patriots defense over the last number of
weeks has really been, good and they've increased their blitz
frequency and their blitz quotions quite a. Bit they play
a ton of man coverage and it'll be interesting to
see How Sean payton deals With Jared. Stidham, Now Jared
stinnam has been in that offense for three. Years he's
been With Sean, payton so this isn't new to. Him
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but obviously it's new, playing and it's obviously a big.
Game but my sense Is Sean, payton to, me is
not the kind of guy that's going to try to
hide the.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
QUARTERBACK i think he's going to play his.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Offense now, again that doesn't mean he'll do exactly this
same thing he would have Boned nix's. Playing BUT i
think it's about concepts and he's going to try to be.
AGGRESSIVE i would think on early downs where the predictability
of the defense is more than it is on let's,
say pure pass situations are third and. Long so BUT
i do not believe he will try to hide his
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quarterback in this game at. All but this has become
a very difficult defense to play, against with a lot
of really good players that a lot of people might
not be aware, of Like Milton, williams Like, Barmore they're
really good.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Inside let me.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Ask, You jared stiodhim out of. College do you recall
how you sized him?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Up, well what do you think of?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
HIM i Thought stidham was the kind of guy, that
in the right, situation with development and, cultivation could be
one of those mid level type. Starters you know that
he would need other things you, know you need a run,
game he need a good defense because he wasn't the
kind of guy you'd want dropping back thirty five or forty.
Times that he could end up being that kind of,
guy you, know and it hasn't worked, Out and there's,
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many many reasons why that does work out and doesn't work.
Out BUT i thought that he was good enough to
be one of those mid level starters if the situation
was absolutely.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Correct, yeah kind of A Kirk cousins maybe where you
could win a division with. Him you may not Win Super,
bowls but you can win a lot of.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Games, Stylistically, YES i think he's, that and he was
a little more mobile Than Kirk. Cousins but, yeah he's
you know, again we don't know what he's going to
do in this.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Game there's no way of. Knowing there's no way of.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
PREDICTING i Guess i'd be surprised if he's, Bad but
you know, again he's probably they're not going to ask
him to carry them unless the game turns into that
kind of game where he has to drop back forty.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Times, no we Know denver gets a pass. Rush is
The bronco defense built to stop or slow Down Drake
may and this offense it's Not, houston but it is
aggressive and get.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Sacks.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Well the crazy thing Was. Colin The bronco defense was
not very good last. Week and from what Everything i've,
heard they were playing against the quarterback who have only
is one of the worst in. Football that's WHAT i
seem to have been hearing all week on social.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Media but they could not stop The.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Bills The bills put up thirty points against, them and
that does not happen At Mile high or whatever they
call it. NOW i guess that doesn't happen very often at.
All they really didn't get To Josh allen very. Much
The bills pretty much went up and down the. Field
SO i would assume they'll play. Better you, know The
patriots offense is it's obviously a very good.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Offense may has not been quite as good in the.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Playoffs clearly last week they played a really good, defense
and that defense really dominated The patriots.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Offense last. Week The texans defense.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
DID i would expect the pass rush to be a
bigger factor this.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Week we talked About Will.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Campbell so you, know it is a very very good
defense and they're good at all three. Levels, now the
one area WHERE i think you can attack with The
broncos defense IS i think you can attack their linebackers
in the past.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Game, yeah all, Right RAMSEYAHAWKS la in two games games
has averaged thirty points in four hundred and fifteen. Yards
that's saying something Against seattle's. Defense, yes The rams offensively
been so effective Against seattle's.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Defense, well and everybody wants to Talk, stafford and in
the second, Game stafford was. Phenomenal but they have been
able to run the ball collin against that, defense and
very few people have been able to do. THAT i
think they've run for one hundred and twenty plus in both.
Games the style of running with their duo concept where
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you have double teams on both defensive, tackles has allowed
them to be somewhat effective because most teams cannot Get
Byron murphy And Letard williams block their two defensive. Tackles On,
seattle most teams can't get those guys. Blocked the forty
nine ers in two games could not get those guys.
Blocked they've both been unbelievably. Good it's a really good.
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Defense they're a nickel. Defense eminori is a you, know
plays lines up in different spots depending on what the
offensive formation, is and he's basically a four to Three sam.
Linebacker they're just very good at all three, levels and
they're a team that plays mostly out of a too deep,
shell so it's very hard to get big plays over
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the top of.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Them THE rams defense has, flummoxed has Confused Sam. Donald
belichick had success with. This what do The rams do
TO i Mean Sam donald a lot of wins and
a lot of yards and a lot of. Touchdowns the
last two Years rams have given him.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Fits Why, YEAH i think one of the things you
try to do with any, quarterback but With, donald who's
always at times had this, issue is changing the picture
pre snap to post. Snap some might remember in the
second game there was an interception By, wallace who doesn't
play now because lakes, back but there was an interception
By wallace where they showed man to man pre snap
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and it turned out to be zone And sam read
it as man and threw a pass that was picked.
Off SO i think With Sam donald you try to
do a lot of.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
That you try to change the picture pre snap to post.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Snap, now one area where The seahawks have been much
better over the last month is running the football. Now
Obviously charbonne's out in this, game But walker's been much.
Better walker has been attacking downhill much more so over
the last three four. Games he's often been much more
OF i always thought of him as kind of a jazz,
musician you, know sort of improvising and looking for.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Things whereas the last three four weeks he's.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Been a little more attacking downhill and getting the hard,
yards and that has allowed them to stay on. Schedule
and it's also with their defense Allowed donald not to
have to throw that many. Balls, now whether that happens
in this, game that's hard to. Know you don't know
how it's going to play. Out but in an ideal,
WORLD i don't think they Want Sam donald dropping back
thirty five. TIMES i think they wanted to be a
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very balanced offense and have their defense in some ways
control the paying tempo of the.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Game is the defense For seattle scheme centric coaching or
is it just? Listen they're long. FAST i Mean i'll
say this to get To Marcus lawrence at thirty. Three,
YEAH i MEAN i watched them this. Year i'm, like
has he got? Leaner who gets? Better at thirty? Three
on the defensive. Side do they just put them in better?
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SCHEMES i mean they get more of the safety out
Of South carolina has been. Fantastic what is it for cs've.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Been, fantastic you.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
KNOW i would never want to say that there's not
major scheme elements to a defense because you'd have to
know all the individual things they. Do and we're not
in the, meetings but BY nfl, standards WHEN i watch their, Tape,
COLIN i would say that they're more static than they
are doing one hundred different things like some, defenses but
everything they, do for the most, part is out of
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a two. Shell look even their pressures there's two shell behind,
it so they really don't give up much over the.
TOP i would say their pressures are where they're really really.
Good they're not a high percentage blitz. Team they rush, four,
right they rush four and they stuck really really. Well
but when they do, pressure it's really well. Done And
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mike McDonald has such a great understanding of protections by
the opponent and how to break them, down because that's
ultimately what you're trying to do with, Pressure you're trying
to break down.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Protections, Finally Sam darnald give me a play you like
From donald this?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Week, yeah, YEAH i Thought donald there was a great
play the touchdown he threw it To smith And. Jig
but he only threw i think seventeen balls this. Week
but let's look at the touchdown he threw To smith And,
jig because this was just a, really really good play
and the kind of play that you know is just
one of those you, go, wow that's just really.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Good and so this play obviously low red.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Zone you're going to See, donald he's under, center it's twelve.
Personnel you're going to have the back and two tight.
Ends you're going to see the two receivers, Here cup
And smith And. Jig but now they have reduced. Splits
and the reason they have reduced splits is. Goaues they're
going to run mirrored. Crossers so when you run cross very,
often you want your receivers closer to the ball because
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you want to get them across the. Field so now
what happens here is you're going to See pressman on the,
outside receivers A cup In smith and jiggba by the
forty nine, ers and you're going to See. Barner he'll
motion across the. Formation now that's just a mechanic of the,
play his motion across the. Formation obviously it's an important,
part but he's going to do. It so now what
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you're going to get is you're going to get play
action And Sam, darnold who will boot to his, left
he'll boot into the, boundary so there's not a lot of.
Space so ultimately what he's looking for here Is smith
And jigba on the crosser into the. Boundary but that's very, Muddy,
colin that's a very muddy. Look you're just uncertain as
to where to throw the. Football So sam has to keep,
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rolling he has to keep rolling, out and as he
gets further, out he sees there's another safety's sitting right.
There this play right now looks like it is absolutely,
dead but he just keeps rolling and makes it unbelieve
a throw To smith And Jake. Ben you can see
from this angle just how hard and difficult to throw this.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Is and that's just a big time.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Throw and the key thing is we all know with
any quarterback people like to focus With donald about it is,
turnovers and if he doesn't turn it, over their team
is really really good in pretty much every.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Area Greg cosel forty six YEARS nfl. Films we always get.
Smarter great Seeing.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Greg Thanks, colin appreciate.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
It, boy that is going to be something. Else these
games are going to. Be Really i'm bummed. OUT i
want to see bow. Next BUT i Remember jarreed stid
him in. COLLEGE i, Mean Sean payton got The Denver
remember when he paid him twelve million to be a
backup he was with A. RAIDERS i think they paid
him twelve. MILLION i remember being on the air that. Day,
man he must like, him, so you, KNOW i always
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say who likes the? Quarterback shanahan Loved, Donald kevin O'Connell
really Liked. Donald, Yeah DEN i kept buyding To donald.
McVeigh really Like Baker. Mayfield, WELL i, Know Baker mayfield's pretty.
Good stefanski for a, while really Like Baker. Mayfield Liam
cohen really Like Baker. Mayfield that tells Me Baker mayfield's pretty.
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Speaker 1 (21:55):
Those jobs are filling. Up steelers got a guy, Yet
Pittsburgh sailors got a. Guy, ye old School. Pittsburgh just
checking J mack with The. News this is the.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
Herdline news tried to tell People Colin, steelers, jove they
ain't a good. One that franchise is. Sinking while The
rams And seahawks they're. Soaring oh you like That seahawks.
Soaring we got the BIG Nfc championship Game sunday On Fox.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Now listen to this.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
Closely McVeigh was breaking down the challenge of.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Facing Sam darnold for a third. Time listen. Closely is
this a shot at your? Boy you want to be
careful not to chase.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Ghosts you know it is about you, know good, execution good,
fundamentals they're you, know they're they're a great, team and
they're great.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
In all three.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Phases we'd like to think.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
What warhammon and we're at our, best we're pretty good,
Too and so you are aware of those, things but
you don't want to do it at the detriment of
allowing guys to be able to go execute and play
the way that they're capable.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Of chasing.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
Ghosts, YEAH i don't think it. Is it's not really
in his but it's an interesting turn of.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Phrase, No, YEAH i JUST i don't that's not really how.
McVeigh McVay is very, respectful at least. Publicly you, know
he's a very respectful, guy very respectful to the league
and The shield and the, organization very humble and. GRATEFUL
i don't think he would do, that especially on two,
days three days out from the. GAME i. DON'T i
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don't think you want to rattle The Seahawks seattle.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Cage, Yeah i'm assuming what he meant, was, hey, hey
we won the first, meeting we shredded in them second.
Meeting you, know let's not look at. That we got
to come up with some new, stuff. RIGHT i am, curious,
though what The rams did in That week sixteen game
that was just six weeks.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Ago the teams have.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Not changed that much from, Them that's, right except The
rams are now Adding Devonte adams and arguably their best
offensive lineman who were not there that, day and The
seahawks are Down. Scharboney by the, Way charbone was integral
in both. Games he had thirteen touches in each of.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Them he.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Was he's a much better blocking back as.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well, yeah, no it's these are really even. Teams one superior.
OFFENSIVELY i mean mcveighs an offensive coach that gives you an,
edge but McDonald defensively is really. SHARP i think the
bet is la plus. Points that's my take on, this
because they've we Know stafford's good in these big. Games
we don't know, YET i Mean, donald it wasn't a
(24:19):
big lift last. WEEK i Think i've said. This they're
both can be a little. RECKLESS i Mean Matt stafford
missed on four or five throws that he usually makes last.
Week the weather was. Bad he also had been before
last week on a seven, game seven pick. Streak the
difference is his resume is better and he's won these big.
Games but you, know you put pressure On, stafford he
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lets it. Go he's an aggressive downfield. Thrower donald's an
aggressive downfield THROW i think it feels like to me
that the positions that are really really, important like head
coach and, quarterback The rams have an experience advantage in this. Spot. S,
yeah that was the second youngest team In. Elite that
leads me to believe if it was IN, La i'd
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really like The rams In. SEATTLE i like the, points
but WHEN i have a head coach a quarterback advantage
in a big. Spot, Also Devonte adams tight Ends Kyan
williams been around now several big. Games, like there's some
key places. Here rams defense is mostly, young But Cam
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curl's been around that safety for a. While they got From. Baltimore,
landman you, know was in the league before The rams had.
HIM i just think they have experienced a really good.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
Spots, yeah you want to guess how many games games
The rams lost by more than three points this? Season
just looking at their schedule here one, yeah That eagles,
game the blocked field goal at the buzzer that.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
They didn't even.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
Need every other game is. Closed The rams are in
every single. Game, NOW i will add As i'm looking
here at the. Schedule third straight road game for The,
rams on the road In, carolina on the road last
week In, chicago now To, seattle you, know for whatever that's.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Worth all, right let's move on to The Buffalo.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
Bills they are this week's flaming dumpster fire in THE.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Nfl.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
Uh The Terry pagoula press, conference The Brandon bean, Stuff sean.
McDermott i'm sure McDermott's side is gonna come out here.
Soon but, Uh Brandon bean took questions from the media
talking about his relationship with.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
McDermott there's certain things that fall in his his, area
where it's managing.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
A, game.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
How we how we scheme the, game whatever it is
that are. His and then there's certain decisions that personnel.
Related somebody's got to make the final. Call what was
the saying, About CAN i CAN i help?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Him? Alttle CAN i help you about the power play
part of?
Speaker 7 (26:43):
That i'm the kind of guy IF i sent you
on a power, play you're.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
OUT i don't like the owner stepping In. COLIN i
don't know about. You, Well Brandon bean fight his own.
FIGHT i think the, owners you, know it's their. Franchise
Garry jones talks twice a. Week why Can't Terry pagoula
talk once so?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Long how's That Jerry jones things working? Out how MANY
Nfc championship? Visits that's? Good thank you for that meat
ball over the.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
Middle but just a quick thing on the bean McDermott
colin like they had a good run. Together AND i
can't help but think about The Bill walsh.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Quote there's A Bill walsh quote.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
From a book circulating about how you know what coaches
are watching, film they're, grinding they're in. Meetings what's THE gm.
Doing he's hanging out with the. Owner how do you
think that's?
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Going?
Speaker 8 (27:33):
Well it can't possibly be my. Fault we got this amazing.
Roster we gave, Him Josh, allen we gave him. Everything
and they're not, winning. Right that's why gms are so.
Protected and, Man i'm just telling You Buffalo bill's, fans
they're not happy with this at. ALL i don't know
how they fix this other Than, Dable, like what other
name Besides Joe brady Or dable is going to make them.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Happy coaches make two to three times four times what gms,
do so you don't make as many moves with THE
gms because coaches are more and it's a quarterback coach,
league not a QUARTERBACK gm, league so gms don't get
fired as, much but they don't make nearly as much.
Money SO i think it's, now let's Attack Brandon bean
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that he's a. BUM I i that's a little, strong but,
YEAH i, MEAN i just you, KNOW i Think brandon
Be Terry thegoula is a very smart. GUY i don't
think he'd be. Manipulated you, Know i'm reading all these. Stories,
well this, Guy Brandon, bean he is Really i've. Heard
this is What i've been. Told real, sharp very good
(28:32):
with a, cap very good with. Business maybe not a
top three personnel, guy but he's. Not the offense has
all sorts of good, Players Dawson knox And Dalton, kincaid
and go look at their offensive, Line James cook and
the slot kid out Of Boise state And Josh. Allen
let's not pretending you don't have any. Players and by the,
way their defensive Front oliver was his draft. Pick they
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got the kid out Of. Iowa they have some decent
guys up FOR i don't think they are great, defense.
Speaker 8 (29:00):
But that's the thing people are drilling down on all
these picks that you're, like, decent good and they're not all,
pros and then barely making programs and Even.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Cable let me ask you, this what's the worst place
in the first round of? DRAFT i, mean EVERY Gm
i've ever talked, to it's. There but once you Get
mahomes you used to In Buffalo, baltimore you start drafting
twenty sixth down that those are second round. Players so
like The chiefs Got Xavier. Worthy Xavier worthy is a gadget.
(29:29):
Receiver it was a week. Draft it was the best guy.
Available you don't Think Xavier worthy is a first round.
Player when you draft at the end of the first,
round they end up getting guys that are really second round.
Players so let me just defend THE. Nfl it's hard
to win in this. League but when you get GREAT i,
mean right, now think about. This The rams have been
(29:50):
good since McBay got. There they have one first round
pick in nine. Years they nailed It jared versus. One
why because The rams and this year they've got a
really high end you, know closer to the, middle but
high end first round. Pick they never have. That so
it's Like that's why The rams don't be shocked if
they don't go Get Ty simpson with their first pick
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in reach because said they're going to be at the
bottom of the first round for the next ten.
Speaker 8 (30:14):
Years that's a good. Question so how do We how
are we supposed to grade? Gms that's the tough.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
One is it free? Agency is it the?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Draft let me, say is it the?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
CAP i mean it's not.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Easy let me say. This there are two or three.
Things if you ask my wife OR i asked, yours
that they're going to judge us on one or two
or three, things you can screw up taking the garbage.
Out if you're A, GM i do that and you
get the superstar quarterback right in the. Draft you can
make a lot of. Mistakes you can make a lot of.
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Mistakes ALL i know is This Ryan poles with The.
Bears he GOT Dj, moore he Got Caleb. Williams he
made Two now he's had some MOVES i don't, love
But Ben Johnson Caleb williams, Right, like you can say
what you want and pick these guys. Apart if you
get the quarterback, Right Brandon being got the quarterback, Right
Brett veach got the quarterback. Right McVay rolled the, dice
(31:08):
had to Pay golf And. Stafford he got the quarterback,
right which isn't.
Speaker 8 (31:12):
Easy let's be, real getting the quarterback right is not.
Easy ask My, jets ask The browns. ASK i mean
The panthers with price and like a lot of people
think their, Quarterback.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Denver had to eventually go Get Peyton manning to Replace.
Elway all those years they had smart, gms they couldn't
get the. Quarterback Jake plumber was, good but it's. Hard
so like if you get the quarterback, right the left,
tackle the, star you know this that this is it's
a much harder job than people you're drafting twenty two
(31:41):
year old. Kids you go draft the receiver From, florida
one of the warm. Estates he now goes To buffalo
in a sophisticated, offense and it's, like, well how come
you're not any?
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Good he's just.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Young he's trying To you, know this stuff is way
harder than everybody.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
Think get us in That eagles war room For Howie.
Roseman all, right let's go to the final.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Story.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
Coln that's The Kansas City chiefs and after The eric
the enemy news that he's their NEW. Oc Travis kelcey
was on His New heights podcast and, boy she's fans
desperate for anything positive our tickets of breadcrumbs that this
might Mean kelsey is considering RETURNING.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Eb and who he is as as a.
Speaker 10 (32:20):
Coach you can see kind of his, personality what he
brings to his table in That chicago.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
TEAM i can't wait to see him back in the. Building,
man He's he's one.
Speaker 10 (32:28):
Of my favorite coaches of all, time one of my
favorite people of all. Time i've had so many, unbelievable you,
know growing moments under him as a as a, player
as a, person AND i just love the guy and
it was.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
INTERESTING i can't wait to see him in the. Building
what does that? MEAN i, DON'T i.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
DON'T i gotta be careful, here. Listen i'm a lot
of people Like Eric bane, ME i know a lot
Of chiefs.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Fans watch the. Show i'm just going to tell you
what he did since Leaving.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
Casey so he went to The Washington commander's assistant head
COACH oc didn't quite work, Out, Okay then he goes
TO ucla same, Deal Chicago bears running backs coach this.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Season oh, well maybe he could parlay that into. Something
now he's.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Back with The.
Speaker 8 (33:15):
CHIEFS i don't know if he's gonna be calling.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
PLAYS i don't.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
See What kelsey's so excited, about unless this is getting
the band back.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Together the bigger story Is kelsey sounds like he's coming.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
Back, wow come, on he's got to say. Something he's
got to leave some breadcrumbs out. There so you listen
to his, podcast, right you gotta say. Something he can't be, Like,
Oh i'm planning a, wedding planning a wedding of the.
Year DO i Invite cowhard and MacIntire Cow coward lives
right near near the.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
WEDDING i am very Pro Travis. KELSEY i HOPE i
get an.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Invite.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
Ye by the, WAY i know someone on staff who
will be. GOING i don't know if my wife will love.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
To go to the, date honor to go To Taylor
swift And travis' same same.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Seas, Yeah jmack with a New well.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
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Speaker 1 (34:37):
Fox so we talk a lot about culture on this.
Show is that when you're hiring a. Coach we've discussed
as many times it's your you're trying to get A. Ceo,
basically if he's great, schematically that's a, bonus but that's
not really what you're hiring the leader of.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Man.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Culture what does culture? MEAN i don't know what it.
MEANS i do from parenting to being. Parented mostly culture
in a, house in a business starts with. Accountability don't
be a victim head. Down it's not. Perfect got to be.
Accountable and So Ben johnson said this yesterday or the day,
(35:17):
before AND i actually he's not wrong very, much but
he was being too. Humble he talked, about you, know
the stepping stone of having a great. Year What Ben
johnson came out to, say is we're starting from ground.
Zero nothing matters that we did last. Year it's ground,
zero none of it. Matters and that's raised wrong because
(35:39):
what's already been established is. Accountability and so you, know
there was a. Moment you, know he disputes whether he
yanked him off the, field but there were a couple
of moments during day one of training camp he did
tell the number one offense get off the. Field we're
not you got to get the pre snap post snap.
(36:01):
Stuff this can't be this. Difficult and that's. Accountability Ben
johnson's mantra has always been, good, better, best and he
just sets high. Standards to, me culture starts with accountability and.
Standards you, Know Mike frable In New england apparently walked
in and like the locker room there were like towels,
everywhere towels in the shower and he's like ring them,
(36:22):
out don't wash, him make the players put him in
the right. Spot just. Accountability AND i remember during the
year there was a moment where it was late in
the year and The bears were nine and three In
december and at the, Podium Ben johnson, said we're winning
(36:43):
in spite of our offense nine and, three and throughout
my course of being In chicago here for seven eight,
MONTHS i will get people that will come up to
me during the, season why are you so hard on The?
Bears And i'm, like have you heard the? Coach the
coach is hard on The. Bears and that's WHAT i really.
Appreciate he's not. PANDERING i. Said THE nba is all
(37:05):
about taking care of the. Star they get offended by,
tweets like THE nfl is like it's a grown up.
League like handle the. Criticism you're on a winning. Streak
so what The bears in won nine of, ten five.
Straight they're nine and three In, december And Ben johnson's,
like we're winning in spite of our, offense and that
was Always. Belichick it's, like you, know we don't hand
(37:26):
out vouquets and. Flowers it's not a world of, rainbows
like we're. Not AND i will say. This Greg cosell
talked about this, earlier is that he's still the mechanics
his footworked aren't, great and a lot of it's because
he's so gifted waist, up he's got such a strong.
Arm that was always A cam Think cam's Mechanics stafford
(37:47):
when he was In, DETROIT i always thought had hit
and miss. Mechanics now In LA's mechanics are great because
McVeigh demands That Cam newton's McVeigh was so. Strong Big
ben in a little bit of, this you know WHAT i,
Mean like when you have that home run jet FUEL
v eight, arm your mechanics can get slot because you
can get away with so much. Stuff and that's one
of the things That Ben johnson like corrected and will work.
(38:09):
On it's one of the Things Greg kosell talked. About
his mechanics are. Okay that's why he's completing forty or
fifty four, percent fifty eight percent and not sixty two.
Percent SO i JUST i appreciate it. That WHEN i
mean it's a one year, ANNIVERSARY i think yesterday Of
Ben johnson's, hiring and it was they were arguably that
the worst culture in the. DIVISION a year, AGO i
(38:32):
would argue it's the best culture because of. Standards The
lions in division settled for an offensive coordinator When ben,
left who they were comfortable with didn't have much play calling.
Experience that's not the. Standard that's not the Standard ben
set for the. Offense philadelphia offensive Coordinator Kellen moore LEAVES
(38:53):
i got To Nick sirianni's buddy who he's comfortable. With
that's not the. Standard so you, know as grumpy As
Kurt signetti is or As belichick, WAS i, mean you
don't See Ben johnson laughing a lot like it's hard
to force millionaires to be accountable every day at. Practice
the little stuff. Matters so when we talk about, culture
(39:16):
what is, IT i don't.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
KNOW i just know.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
This don't be a, victim be, accountable don't pander even
when it's always easier to criticize players when you're. Winning
when a player is, losing you're on a losing, streak
everybody's a little defensive and a little. Prickly when you're
on a five game winning, streak it is so easy
to put your arm on somebody's shoulder at the same
(39:41):
time you're kicking them in the, butt, saying you know,
what just some mechanics aren't good. Enough you're better than.
This SO i just. APPRECIATE i remember When Ben johnson
first day at, camp he even got prickly with The chicago.
MEDIA i didn't kick him out of, camp but he
acknowledged they weren't very. Good we took him off the.
FIELD i like.
Speaker 11 (39:58):
It some people enjoyed me throwing the first team out of.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
Practice not the.
Speaker 11 (40:06):
Case we got to end up executing getting in and
out of the huddle a certain, way and it wasn't that.
Way and we're, learning we're. Growing you, know there were
some things from the springtime expected to carry over that
that was probably one we just don't have any tolerance for.
Anymore we got we got too far to.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
GO i said this. Yesterday When Tiki barber came to
The New York, giants he had a fumble. Problem and
Then Tom kafflin arrived and he had no fumble. Problem
Kurt signettes's teams don't. Fumble belichick's teams don't. Fumble the
rams in lousy weather for AN la team went To,
chicago no, penalties no drop. Passes that's. Incredible that's. Accountability
(40:47):
that's coaching during the week and not letting it. HAPPEN
i always remember WHEN i was, YOUNG i don't Remember
John wooden, coaching you, KNOW i just there wasn't a
lot of college basketball ON tv WHEN i, was you, know,
young AND i don't Remember john WOULDN'T i read About
John wood in The pyramid Of. Success but one of
the THINGS i always remember About woulden WHENEVER i saw
him is he was never yelling during. Games he was
(41:09):
just sitting there with his. Program And i'm, like because
he was accountable during, practice you don't have to do
as much, coaching. Right Mike krzyzewski barks at the officials
all the. Time he barks at his players during. Practice during,
games he's more barking at the. Officials All, right hour
three coming. UP i can't wait for this. Weekend did
(41:32):
The mets sign somebody? ELSE i gotta, ask are we?
Outraged enraged on The? Mets it's so interesting to me
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