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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Our two. We are live in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It is the Herd wherever you may be and however
you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of
your day. You know a lot of times I've said
this over and over and over, ad nauseum for years.
Do not chase money, chase good management. There's a sea
of money out there. If you're talented, there's a sea
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of money. There's not there's a finite number of really
good in my case, broadcasting executives. There's a million broadcasting
company and very few that.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Are really really well run.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
And so I look at people often in my space
and just say, let me see your career decisions. Why
did you just go there just about money, short term money?
What about your long term career aspirations? What about good
management and marketing? And so it was lost in the
super Bowl week that Jonathan Kaminga and the Warriors, and
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I've never been a huge cominga guy. It kind of
melted down. It got kind of ugly and and and
you know, each side he said, they said, you know whatever,
each kind of covering their tracks and the divorce. Here
was Steve Kerr on the Coaminga move, the Kaminga trade.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Steve Kerr.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
JK is a really good young guy. You know, He's
it's been obviously a rocky road, uh, you know, for
him and for us, And you know, it wasn't always
you know, the right fit obviously kind of in and out.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Of the rotation.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I think that was tough for him, tough for us
as well, trying to navigate everything. And I really hope
JK finds his way and you know, whether it's Atlanta
or wherever else, you know, I really want to see
him succeed. And I'm sorry that it didn't didn't happen here.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Let me give you three players. Jonathan Kaminga, Jalen Green,
and Scoot Henderson were g League ignite guys, a four
year experiment by the NBA that went belly up and
should have none of them developed into the player they
should have been much like broadcasting. I judge people on
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the decisions and choices they make. Why in the world
would you choose G League Ignite over Duke in Kansas
and Michigan State. Well, a lot of kids aren't built
for college. Every pro football player goes there for at
least three years. Why are basketball players different? You can't
handle your at college. The marketing you get playing I
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watched Duke Carolina the other day. You got eight million
dollars of free marketing. None of those G League guys.
You don't get elite coaching in G League Unite you
don't get You don't play in packed arenas like Cameron
Indoor or Kansas or Yukon where you that's like an
NBA intensity, the coaching, the nutrition, the travel, the training staffs.
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Playing in massive arenas that is like, that's like a
I mean playing at Carolina, that's like an NBA environment,
a playoff environment. You got fifteen thousand plus, sixteen thousand
plus you know, at these big college basketball arenas. That's
where you go. That's where you get marketing. Cooper flag
Duke to Dallas. He's already a star. Why because I
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watched them at Duke Stefan Castle, a Yukon Jalen Brunson
goes to Villanova. By the time he gets to the NBA,
I know his whole life story. I'm looking at guys
this morning. Find me one g League ignite star in
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
There isn't one.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I always felt this about AAU basketball eight thousand meaningless games,
more about the individual than the team, and you'll find
Cominga's like a lot of these guys, Scoot Henderson, Jalen Green.
They don't play well with others. They I mean, it's
more about I got to have the ball in my hands.
It's the spacing.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
They're not good. It's just like super talented, Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
But what really bothers me is the choices young great
basketball players have. I don't understand everybody demonizing college basketball.
The coaching, the travel is first class, the arenas you playing,
the gear you get even pre Nil, even pre Nil,
I would talk to a couple of college basketball friends
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and they were like, you know, people in the business
coaches and they're like, players get treated really well. That
was pre Nil. So you know, you can blame whoever
you want. Comminga's long and talented, but he doesn't rebound.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
He doesn't shoot well. His low post game is all
over the map.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Good one night, not the next goodness matchup bad in
the next. Yeah, I wish him well, but I've been
on this for years. I do not get the NBA.
NFL totally gets the value of college football. Totally understands
the value of college football Basketball like has it out,
NBA has it out for college basketball. The coaching is great,
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the arenas are great. The TV product you're on television.
I mean, you've seen the ratings for these college basketball
games the last couple.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
Of years, huge or beating in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
With that, here's somebody I haven't talked to you in
a while. Maybe tech not talk. Trent Dilfer used to
be a regular on the show. Got kind of busy.
He got a new job. Do we have Trent right
now over reconnecting right now? He'll be joining us in
just one second.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And I went and looked at Cominga's numbers the last
three years, by the way, in the minutes and his
games and his numbers all went down. All right, here
we go. Trent Dilfer now is joining us. Long I
live a long time, no talk. Fourteen years in the NFL.
Where are you right now and how are you doing?
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I'm mister brother. I am back, after a complete failure
in college football, back to where my roots are, high
school football. So I'm back at Lipscombe, where I spent
four years and was my happiest And what I'm wired
to do more transformation than transaction.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, that's what college football is.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
We talked about this earlier.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I had Drew Brees on yesterday and I asked Drew,
I said, does your journey remind you a little Sam
Darnold with the first place is turbulent, you don't maybe
get the support, and he said it does. And he
went on and gave a really interesting answer and it
actually made me think of Arch Manning, who had to sing.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
For two years.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I would argue, behind a guy Hill ultimately better than
than when he did play, got the crap kicked out
of him and everybody ripped him. And then at the
end of this year, dealing with all that adversity, he
was great in his last six games. And I'm like,
when you were in college football, I mean you journey,
I mean I could go back.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I was there.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I was in Tampa working as a sports guy, do
you worry about having been in college football? Forget the
other positions that at the first sign of adversity, A
lot of these quarterbacks and their dads are like, we're
out of town.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Does that worry you?
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Heck yeah, as usual. You're right on this thing that
nobody wants to talk about. What makes you wired to
be a championship quarterback is the adversity? Are the hard things?
Are the grind are the failures? I got booed out
of outbacks. I had binoculars thrown at me. You know,
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if there was social media back then, I wouldn't be
able to be on it. And many quarterbacks have the
same story. It's what hardened you. And we're so scared
as athletes in this generation for hard things, for adversities,
for benchings, for failures, for foreign interception games, for not
meeting expectations, what a guy might say about you, what
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you read on your phone. But yet we need to
embrace those things. Is the good stuff. The good stuff
comes out of the hard stuff, and you get to
a point where you really just don't care anymore about
what others think, then you're free. But I think every
young player has to go through that pain point has
to go through that struggle, so they're freed up that
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you're not playing for that. You're playing because you love football,
for your teammates, for the job, for the passion. And
that's what you said. I'm seeing Sam donald highlights. That's
all you've seen in Sam. Sam was wildly talented. We
came out. I remember being at ESPN saying Sam Donald
is a can't miss guy if if he's developed the
right way, if he's taught the right way, if the
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system's correct form. But he went into a bad situation.
It took the hardening of bad situations, took resilience and grits.
It took being with the right people in the right time,
in the aha moment. The guys will more game in
the last two years, I think than anybody but Tom
Brady in the two years, and so he has become
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a great quarterback because of the hardening that went into
the process.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
We tend to you know, we tend to forget that football,
more than any sport, is really collaborative. I mean, if
if you're a great basketball player, you can get your
twenty six a night in Orlando or in Phoenix. But
even as a wide receiver. Look at Larry Fitzgerald's career, Boy,
he was way better when he has Kurt Warner.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Like or so, I mean even a receiving position which
we think is over on the sideline doing his own thing,
breaking the huddle.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
First.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I look at Josh Allen, well, because of his contract,
they don't have Pro bowlers on defense. I look at
Patrick Mahomes because of his contract, they don't have a
running game and they can't get their own line right.
Brady and Breeze both said at one point, Trent, I'm
gonna take a little less and I'm gonna win more. Well,
what do you know, Network's come the minute you're off
the air and they want to put you on the
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air because you're a winner. Go back to your career
is maybe the model going forward. Guys, you will make
that money back. You'll make it back because you'll have
a better right tackle, you'll get a TV job. But
it is hard to tell a pro athlete don't take
the most money available to you. That's hard for a quarterback,
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is it not?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
It is. I think this is a big subject. I'll
give you my thoughts on this. I've been saying this
for years one. I think in the CBA, in the
salary cap, they need to remove a portion for the quarterback.
I think every team football would be better if the
teams weren't punished for these massive quarterback salary cap hits.
I've always thought that should be the case. If not,
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then I'm on your I'm on your page. Then they
at least need to relax some of the rules so
that quarterbacks like Tom Brady and Drew Be's a the
face of the franchise, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, you can
go down the list. Should be able to get an
equity piece of the organization or be involved in business
deals that are tied to the NFL, because that's where
real money. I mean, you know billionaires. I know billionaires.
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They're equity stakes, you know what I mean. They get
a piece of something bigger than their personal brand. So
imagine Tom Brady, I don't know how much wealthy has.
It's ridiculous, I'm sure, but indeed be even greater if
he had a stake of the New England Patriots. Drew
Brees should have had a steak in the business dealings
of the Nowrorleans Saints if they could do that, then
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quarterbacks would take less because agents aren't going to let
them bet on the TV contract. And I get it.
I will say this too about Tom and Drew. They're
both very good at it too, you know. I mean,
I don't watch a ton of NFL anymore, but when
I do and neither one of them's talking, I listen
or I don't listen to a lot of other people,
you know what I mean. And there's a lot of
really successful quarterbacks that aren't good on TV. I mean,
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they just don't know how to communicate clearly, They're not
concise with their words, they don't have charisma, they can't
teach the game. The game came too easy for them.
I think a lot of times the guys are the
best on TV. The game came hard to Tom Brady
worked harder than anybody else, so he can explain it
to somebody that's in the developmental stage or doesn't totally
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understand it. Drew Brees same way. He can explain it
better because he took the hard road to the game
and as a gravitasa be in a Hall of Famer.
So again, agents are going to let you bet on
the future, but in the now, they can have money,
they could have revenue streams that are legal that are
outside the salary cap. Then they would take more. I mean,
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anybody would take more for a superstar wide receiver or
a better left tackle, or a dominant inside backer or
an edge rusher. That would be a no brainer for
any of us if we knew that we had an
equity stake or a business dealing that could bring us
the hundreds of millions of dollars that were turning down
in a contract.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You said you watch more college than pro, and we've
had this kind of opinion on this show is that
a lot of my strongest opinions on players are often
because I have sources in a pro league telling me that,
or in an athletic department. And then there's these occasions
when I like somebody way more than my sources in
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the league, or I like somebody way less than my sources,
And that's when I make off of.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
My biggest mistakes.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And you can, you know, you look at and go,
how did you think that? And I'm like, well, I
should have listened to people. So Fernando Mendoza is one
of those. My sources like him. I love him. I
think He's Matt Ryan plus bigger, stronger, more athletic than
Matt Ryan. And I think Matt Ryan was really good
in his prime. Very good MVP Fernando Mendoza, what do
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you see?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Do you see very good but not a star?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Or is it you tell me what you see?
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Tremendously talented, very charismatic, great learn or compliant, which I
think is one of the most under valued thing in quarterbacking,
meaning that they will do as they're told to do
by their coaches who are smarter than them. They're not
trying to roll out the balls and be the best
athlete on the field. They're trying to be a surgeon
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instead of a butcher. If I told that one, don't
you before? Both have sharp instruments, right. One has a
makes your pastrami sandwich with his instrument. The other one
saves your life with his instrument. You got to have
surgeons out there, so you got to be compliant to
be a surgeon. He has played very remedial quarterback, so
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their passing game is very good but very simple. He
does not full field read very often. If you notice,
he tucks it and runs a lot. Because they're kind
of a one to two and go offense. Just I
would say, Justin Herbert is your best comparable Hall of
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Fame talent, remedial progression in his development. Therefore, he needs
to be handled in such a way early on because
he's going to have to play. I still don't believe
in playing him early. I still to this day, I'm
one of the very few out there that still thinks
they should sit for a year, one year, one year.
But everybody else says, all you got to pay him,
you got to play him great. Then play him in
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a run action, cut the field in half, RPO, good
run game, third down, protect him, don't make him do
all the protections, and let him go be really good
at that, and then build over years into the surgeon.
I think he'd be as good as anybody there is.
If and people are going to hold me to these comments,
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and I'm putting there that if I want to know
who's coaching him, I want to know who's developing him.
I want to know who's in his ear all the time.
I want to know who his mentor is. Is he
going out to southern California working with Jordan Palmer, I hope,
So you know what I mean. I hope that he's
doing the things that the greatest in the games decided.
I'm okay right now, but I can be great, and
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I need to surround myself with people that are great. Now.
Some of that is in his control, and some of it,
like Sam Donald, like a bunch of others that were
really good that didn't make it, it's out of their control.
So where he's drafted, who's developing them, how they've built
the infrastructure around him. As Mike holbmganis used to say,
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build the building around that player's development, because then we'll
all have jobs forever. But if you don't build the
building around his development, he's just part of the building.
Then he could have a Sam Donald experience because he
hasn't been taught. And I love that staff. This is
not a knock in Indiana staff. By the way. We've
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dumbed it down a little bit too in college football
because you only have them for a limited amount of
time and you got to win games. So it's nobody's fault.
But when you look at his d n A is
a quarterback. It's more of a one to two either
or it's very defined. A lot of back shoulders, a
lot of go balls instead of inside benders, runaways. Not
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a lot of modern NFL passing game in his reports
Wall So that just needs to be developed. Will it
happen by the right person. It wouldn't even be that
hard to develop them by the right person, but it
needs to be the right person.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So I was saying, we'll wrap it up with this.
The Seahawks defense, which is really special. When when your
GM goes eight for eight in the last four years
on the first two picks, and I mean eight for
eight great players, that's hard to duplicate. The Seattle defense
looked a little bit like the Legion of you know,
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Boom and all the legion to do it, and also
look a little bit like your Ravens defense. Now, your
Ravens defense could corners could do things you can't do anymore.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
So it's different.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But when I think of great defenses, I'm like, oh,
the Tampa Bay, the Ravens, Richard Sherman, Cam Chancellor, Seahawks,
and I watched this one. I'm like, that's one of
the four. And so Drake May gets engulfed and my
take is he's twenty three. These golfs, I mean, outside
of Matt Stafford, they ate everybody's lunch. They miss Stafford's
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got Puka and Davonte and McVeigh. So you tell me,
with the times in your career, when you go back
to your early days, your young days, and you face
the best defense in the league, what does it look like?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
What was Drake May seeing?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Oh gosh, I'm so glad you asked me his questions.
I have a really fun story to tell to answer
this question. My wife and I were driving across the
country for the lat for four days, and the third
day was Super Bowl Sunday, and she wanted to stop
and go to a fancy hotel and watch the game.
I'm like, no, I'm rolling. I'm ten hours in. I
want to do another two three hours. So we're watching
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the game on Highway seven, driving through the mile of
America on our iPad, and I'm driving and I'm going
about seventy five eighty miles per hour, and I get
pinned in between these two semis. And everybody's ever driven
a highway When you're going fast, there's a lot of traffic,
and the semis pin you in. It's the most claustrophobic, uncomfortable.
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Oh my gosh, I'm going fast they're going fast, but
are they gonna smell? Am I going to become a
you know, peanut butter and jelly sandwich in these in
these semis. And I'm watching Drake Man, I'm like, we're
living the same life right now. I'm gonna get smashed
by two semis going seventy five. He feels that way
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every time he takes the snap. The Seattle Seahawks defense
was two semis pinned him in on its highway seventy
in the middle of America. And what do you do?
You can't bring you can't think. Everything speeds up like
he short arms some balls. I think the kid's phenomenal.
I coached him lead eleven. I love Drake May. He
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will be a superstar in this league for years to come.
But you put and ask Tom Thiss. I mean, Tom's
on your show. He's the greatest of all time. There's
only one defense to Tom Brady. There's only one way
you could take himway. You couldn't play man, you couldn't
play zone, you couldn't plit some, you couldn't drop eight,
you couldn't do it. But what you could do is
make him sandwich in between two semis. Rex Ryan's defenses
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did it. Sometimes there are certain defenses that knew how
to take Tom Brady's super power away and it's his
was more interior pressure, right, but this was an overwhelming
side interior sandwich, two semis on the side of you
on a highway pressure, and no quarterback in the history
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of football could have thrived in that environment.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, it's it's great seeing you again.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
I fired up, man, and a care to have to
say anymore after the colossal failure in college football. At
least I know a little bit.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Listen, football is Belichick got fired, Andy Reid got fired.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I think you're okay, you're.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Getting fired to hired when I decided to coach. That's
what all my mentors told me, and say, hey, if
you're willing to be hired a bunch of times and
fired a bunch of times, go for it. I'm like, okay,
here we got seeing you again.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You're the best, dude, see it all right, Trent dilferd Yeah,
I mean I think you know.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
We said this a year ago.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Sam Darnold got sacked nine times with the Rams, and
everybody said, guys, a bum told you. A year later,
he's hosting a Trophy. They're going to get their offensive
line fixed because it's obvious that's the weakness of the team.
And Drake May faces the Seahawks next regular season, What
do you bet he plays well?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
What do you bet he's a better quarterback?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Like when I'm watching that Seattle game and I'm YouTube,
I didn't watch the highlights. Seattle's defense is just I mean,
the four best defenses top of my head are like
that Ravens defense. There was a Buccaneer defense, there's the
Seattle defense with Cam Chancellor Richard Sherman, and there's this defense.
And then now Houston Texans are really good too. But
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those four just in the end end up in Super Bowls.
They just overwhelmed people. That's why I said Stafford as
MVP over Drake May.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Stafford ate this defense for.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Onuns, and some of it is Seattle's guard, center guard,
Seattle's the Rams have great guards and great receivers and
great backs. So Seattle's facing a Rams offense that is
a Pro Bowl team. There's like great players everywhere. But
even that said, Stafford wasn't good on third down. Stafford
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I think was zero for six on third down. That
they were very good early downs. So Drake May, I
mean you would agree Drake May is gonna be fine.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
By the way, there was some commentary from Seattle defensive
backs about May they could tell what's coming based on
the way he was looking and react. There were some tells.
They were like, we couldn't see that with Stafford. Hey, Cale,
let me say someone about trentil for real.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Quick two seconds.
Speaker 8 (23:06):
A lot of people, when they have success, they give
themselves all the credit. Well, I was a genius, I
was smart, and when they have failures they blame.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
It on other people.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
Yeah, well that that guy screwed me in the system,
and blah blah blah. What Trent Dilfer just said was
pretty incredible.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
I mean, he owned it. He was like, I was
a failure. That's refreshing.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
I mean that was one of the most real things
that I've heard from any interview we've had this year.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
I mean, did you hear him? He was just like,
oh no, I mean I failed.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I respect that Steve Spurry are great college coach, disaster
in the NFL, and Nick Saban failed And I don't
think Nick's built for the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
He's really built for college. He's got it. He's really
got to. He's a closer.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
He's a great personality, he's a great teacher. But like
spurry Er, just in my opinion, you know, Steve just
didn't quite have like the the work mentality. NFL is
no life. I mean it's just no football life. Like
you literally in the facility all day. That's not who
Spurrier is.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
And he used the word dilfoe use the word transaction.
Did you hear that? And college football is very transactional.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
That's what it is.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
It's what are you going to pay me to come
on your team?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
What's my role?
Speaker 6 (24:12):
And that's that's a little different.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
And that's why a Kurt Signetti and a Bill Belichick,
guys who are older can flourish. It's it's it's it's administrative,
it's transactional. Bill Belichick's not going to go you know,
five six years ago, Nick Saban's literally on a private
jet flying to northern California.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
He's all over the country. You have no life now.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
A lot of it is recruit within your region and
go buy the deficienc.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
He's on your own exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
And so it makes and and and get young staffs
who will do the work for you. But it's a
largely the head coach. Now it's a transactional administrative job.
And that that that means you don't have to have
the best energy in the world. If you've got a
little bit of energy and can write some checks, you
can solve a lot of problems on that roster.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Yeah, it used to be the you know, Nick Saban,
here's how I can help you. Now all the players
are like, what are you going to do for me?
What are you paying me?
Speaker 6 (25:04):
What's my role going to be? And it's it's changed
a lot.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
College football is in this this weird like transactional phase
where I think it's good, you think it's good, but on.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Ground zero, I don't say. I will say we've overstated
it a little. I think the first few years, a
couple of years of the en Nil, everybody was just
leve leve, leve leave. I think universities have gotten much
smarter on this. I think the first two years of
it people overspent or or I should say overspent over signed.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yes, I mean I always have this take.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Most if Georgie is moving off a defensive lineman, they
know the odometer.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
They didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
They didn't want to move off Jalen Carter right, Like like,
if you find LSU or Georgia or in Alabama moving
off an interior defensive tackle, he probably doesn't play as
hard as they lie. So the bottom line is most universities,
the power conferences, the power schools, they're gonna pay the
guys who are really, really great. And I think teams
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have figured out the NIL. College football programs have figured
out there's a lot of good B players that you
don't have to pay a fortune that can like, you know,
a second corner, a second running back, a second a
right tackle, not a left tackle. And now occasionally you
can go buy a Caleb Downs. Wasn't it a baman
goes to Ohio State. You're like, Okay, that guy's just unbelievable.
(26:30):
But I think the NIL everything goes in a cycle. Yeah,
in the first couple of years of it, it was
like people were buying thirty five players. I always thought,
I've talked to a coach who said this, the magic
number is eight. You won't screw up chemistry. If you
bring it about eight guys, you may he goes outside
of quarterback plug deficiencies, you don't have to go buy stars.
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Go buy a great pass rusher if you can. But
just you don't want to be terrible anywhere. The coaching's good.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Well, Texas Tech is trying to throw a monkey wrench.
I just read an article about some of the stuff
they're doing. They're very cutting edge, man. You know that
was my team last year. I gave it out on
the show Texas Tech to make the playoff. That was
a plus five hundred ticket, a big winner. I'm looking
for one this year. I don't have it yet, but
I may have to pick your brain during one of
these commercial breaks.
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Speaker 1 (28:36):
Daniel Jeremiah knows this stuff. NFL Draft, it is something
we will discuss at length. First though, j Mack with
the news.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Can't wait for that, Daniels Jeremiah talk.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
But let's start with Max Crosby. Colin, He's making news.
It's almost like is it by design? Is he trying
to pump up his IG followers? Anyways, Max Crosby's all
over the news this last week, but he's now down
playing the rumors that he wants out, and he doubled
down in an appearance on the Let's Go podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Everyone spit me up.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Did you say this?
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Did you?
Speaker 12 (29:16):
It's I can't control that. You earned that as a player.
You know, if I wasn't doing the right things, and
if I wasn't the person and player I was, you know,
people wouldn't be talking about all the nonsense.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
But that's what comes with it.
Speaker 12 (29:30):
I really don't care what everybody has to say.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I used to a lot as.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
A young guy.
Speaker 12 (29:33):
I really don't give a damn if people could have
their own opinions. I know what's going on. I know
my truth, and I don't need to sit here and keep,
you know, rehashing it to people that don't know what's
going on. So I don't even I don't even waste
time with it.
Speaker 8 (29:48):
Okay, So Colin, if we put those words on the screen,
what he just said, it's a gigantic word salad. He
essentially said nothing, revealed nothing about what he wants, which
is good.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
He's a pro.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
And listen, I know people don't think I like Max Crosby.
I've seen his basketball video. He could pay definitely play
on my men's league. Deep we would recruit him, but don't.
I just don't know why he's still talking about this colin.
You know, I know he's a veteran, but.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I think he is the missing piece for several top teams.
I think Kansas City could use him. New England could
use him. I think mass Crosby is one of the
you know, free agency and trade guy doesn't really equal
Super Bowl. I mean, if you go look at the Seahawks,
Sam Darnald was obviously an exception where you bring a
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guy in a quarterback important position, You're like, oh, he
was such an upgrade from Geno. I mean, the roster
in Seattle last year was good. I mean they how
many rookies made an impact that John Snyder drafted this
year too, a garden of safety. The roster was great
with Gino Smith. Obviously, Donald's the big part of it
that goes next level. JSN was already in the building
(30:55):
with Donald. Suddenly he was great with Gino. He was
frustrating or frustrated. So my point is Crosby may not
be a quarterback, there is no question if you put
him on New England next year with their interior defensive linemen,
that is a that's the best defensive line maybe in
this ward. So I mean I think Crosby chaining. I mean,
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New England's defensive tackles are excellent. Well you put Crosby
on that D line in New England lights out?
Speaker 8 (31:24):
Okay, So is there a world where spy Tech and
the new coach Kubiak go to Crosby and say, hey, bro,
we get it.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Sounds like you want out. How about this?
Speaker 8 (31:33):
Don't do any more podcasts, leave social media commentary to us,
don't talk about it, and we will get you where.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
You want to go.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And then you know, you.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
Call up the Buffalo Bills and bere like, oh yeah,
is Kean Coleman for sale? You know the BS game
that you play as an executive?
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Oh well yeah, so Crosby any interest.
Speaker 8 (31:51):
You're not calling about Max, You're calling about somebody else,
But you work it in like call the contenders, just
do it quietly. I don't love this negativity. When you've
got you gotta remember pick Max. Crosby is a star.
He goes on podcasts and they ask him about it.
What is he supposed to say?
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Well?
Speaker 8 (32:10):
The problem is that that we like authenticity. You and
I love that it gives us content. Everybody loves that,
but it's gonna mess with the locker room. You got
a new head coach, your first time head coach in Kubiak,
rookie number one pick likely in Mendoza. You gotta woe
be gone franchise in Vegas that can't win a damn thing, Like,
why would you do this?
Speaker 6 (32:27):
You're messing with the fans.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Head.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
It's like, I don't think it's messing with anything. I
think he's been the silver lining for the Silver and
Black for about seven years. I think he's the only
redeemable part of this franchise in the last seven Are
you sure it's Silver and.
Speaker 8 (32:39):
Black or black and blue? I mean, these guys are
gether butts kicked every year by everyone.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Like I'm telling you right now, I love Max as
a raider, but if you could get two ones, oh
you do that from New England, I think you have
to consider it.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
I would peddle him to the NFC first.
Speaker 8 (32:54):
I don't want to have to see that guy fairting
the trophy of my conference.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
All right, let's go to the next story. That's Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 8 (33:02):
Dude, do you remember how much we talked about this
guy last year as he guided Washington to the NFC Championship.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Well, this past.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
Season he did nothing because he was hurt, and now
he's got a new oc in wait for it, David Blau,
former Detroit Lions practice squad guy.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
I think he took a couple snaps.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Here's Dan Quinn talking about how Jaden is going to
look a little different this season.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
It'll look different some JP in some ways as we're
still kind of building some of the things together. But
this is going to be like an aggressive balance attack,
but like that will probably have more under center than
we have in the past. We're going to try to
feature every part of Jaden in the way that makes
him unique and special. Jaden's a big part of our
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thinking and all the things that we do. He wasn't
a part of the staff selection, but like he drives
a lot of the thinking and how we can feature
him and where it goes, and so having the ability
to connect with him that's certainly a big deal for us.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
All Right, So you pretty good stat here, Colin Warren Sharp.
You know he's a buddy.
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Sure, so he charted under center dropbacks last season where
you're taking STAPs from under center.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Okay, Washington was dead last in the league.
Speaker 8 (34:20):
Seventeen steps the whole season under center, sorry, dropping back,
and it's like, dude, what are you doing?
Speaker 6 (34:27):
So maybe that's why they move off Kingsbury. They need
to change it up. So now Jaden will be under center.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
More.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
Guess who happened to be under center of the most
As you can see on the chart here, rams number one,
number two. By the way, in snaps under center, Chicago
bears number two, and all the teams at the top had.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
A lot of success.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well, you know, this is why the NFL's great. It's
constantly evolving. It was an under center league, then it
was a shotgun league, and now the better teams are
going back under center when you have a star quarterback.
So and a lot of people like under center because
a quarterback never takes his eyes off the defense. As
defenses get more sophisticated, you know, in the shotgun you
look down for half a second or a second to
(35:08):
get the snap, and the defense can shift at the
snap of the ball. So a lot of the guys
in the league that the offensive coordinators like can like
under center. So well, one of the things that is
really cool about the NFL. You and I baseball went
forever without making changes, and then Rob Manfred over like
a three year period, made multiple changes. They all worked,
(35:29):
and a baseball now is so much more watchable now
than five years ago. If you go watch a baseball
game five years ago, go on YouTube, it's so slow.
It's like it's like a rotary phone. Like, I can't
do it. NBA's got things that needs to solve. Bill
Simmons was talking about that this week, and they won't.
They're like, well, we got paid, we made money from
the networks. Like your game's got like four major issues.
(35:51):
I don't even think tanking's the biggest issue. The NFL
is so cyclical. The rules to pats don't look like
they look kickoffs don't look like they love. The catch
rule got tweaked, And I think part of what I
love about football is I mean, now suddenly Seattle, by
the way, it was, oh you got to go for
it and fourth down? You know who didn't go it?
Ford on fourth down this year, benver Seattle. Like, I
(36:15):
just love the way the NFL is constantly shifting and changing.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
An under center is coming back.
Speaker 8 (36:22):
Well, it's I don't know that that's like a rule
that's more like a coach thing. McVeigh and Ben Johnson
are at the cutting edge. So they realized the too
high safety has taken away the big place. How do
you manipulate those guys? Put the quarterback under center? We
may run the football, So what are the DB's doing?
And that I think is a big reason why we're
seeing under center now because you have to respect the
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run game where they'll just matriculate down the field, Tires Williams.
Three years ago, it may have been two, you and
I were on the show. Everybody was like, running backs
aren't being paid. Nobody wants a running back. You and
I went on the air and said slow down. Running backs,
especially for young quarterbacks, are like a life. Preserve tight
(37:03):
ends and running backs like stop. Isn't it amazing that
the MVP of the Super Bowl Kenneth Walker, Like it
was three years ago, Everybody's.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Like, nobody wants to pay their running back. No, No, nobody
wants to pay a running back that second huge contract.
Everybody liked running back generally, you didn't want to go
a second big contract because it's the last position on offense.
You can head hunt. You can hit them from anywhere
they come to a line. You can hit him anywhere.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
So we were early on that I will say this.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
I think McVeigh going to three tight ends at times
this year and having ultra success a lot is gonna
make people be like, do we need to go after
more tight ends and free agency? And make sure to
ask Jeremiah about this. He was just breaking down the
tight ends. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of
high end ones, but middle rounds there could be some
tight end value.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
And you've got to be able to be flexible, whether three.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
Wides, three tight ends, two running backs, NFL just a
smart league. Final storycl Let's go to NBA All Star weekend.
I know you're fired up, very excited. Well, Kevin Durant
also very excited. I can't tell if he's being real
here or he's trying to stir the pot, but he's
taking shots at some of the European gentlemen.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Here we go.
Speaker 11 (38:13):
You should ask the Europeans that the world team if
they gonna compete. I mean, because we look at Luka
Doncis and Nicola Jokis. Now let's go back and look
at what they do at the All Star Game. Is
that competition? So we haven't questioned what they've been doing,
but we're gonna question old hiss and the Americans. But
these two dudes out there, Luca and Jokis, they don't
(38:36):
care about the game. Man. Oh, these dudes be laying
on the floor. They shoot from half court. But you
got worried about the old heads playing hard. I can
read between the lines, Bro, you.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Know he's not wrong on that.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean, Yoka ch has no interest none. Kevin Durant
can your buddy. Kevin Durant can be very funny.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
I like him now he's he's onto something. I'll be
real though, Colin Uka, Jannis jokiciz guys. International All Star
games are nothing. They don't mean a damn thing. They
play for championships overseas, and that's what those guys are
into here, not some fluffy All Star game where there's
no defense being played by guys who aren't great defenders anyway.
You know, so Kd's honest something. I don't know how
(39:16):
you fix that when your best players in the league
are international, don't care about the All Star Game and
don't play defense.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I can do a show on four to five things
the NBA needs to change, Please don't. I won't because
the truth is, when we get to late April, May
and June, the playoffs are going to be unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, every year in.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
This space when the football season ends, when we start
moving to the NBA and the stars aren't playing because
you know they're resting either your tanking or they're resting
for the playoffs. That you know, like people have like
minutes maybe privately on what they want to play. We
all go crazy on the NBA. The playoffs will show
up in May and they'll be really really good.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (39:58):
By the way, thirty remember college basket about thirty three games,
NBA eighty two.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
So yeah, Collins, guy's gotta go hard. You gotta make
the tournament NBA eighty two.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Eight.
Speaker 8 (40:07):
Let's take a week off here, week off there, kind
of like your summers when you're gallivanting globally with the.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Other coastal lap. I play less than Lebron in the summer.
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
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Speaker 1 (40:54):
Hey, has it been confirmed Jmack that liquorice is bad
for you? Because I've had six pieces today and I've
never felt better.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
In my life. Is this red licorice? It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
I could knock down Twizzlers like a bowl of it,
and I never feel I never once in my life
have had licorice and thought.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Oh that didn't agree with me.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, every time I try Skittles, I'm like on cloud nine.
Speaker 8 (41:17):
Yeah, Skittles, there's no sugar in that, so you should
be good.
Speaker 6 (41:20):
No red dyes or anything. You're all clear on that.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
You know half the stuff you read in the internet,
I don't even buy. Oh you can't drink anymore? Well,
I'm very stressed out last night and my turtle saw
levels were high, so I knocked out a gin and soda.
I felt like I was, honestly Clark Kent, I was Superman.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
What was the stress?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Was this?
Speaker 6 (41:40):
Because you have to stop talking.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
With old Arnold, dealing with a lot of your nonsense.
It's very stressful, I.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Gotta tell you.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
People always say now the big trend is young people
don't drink.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
That's a problem. That's where all the fun is.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
I don't think I did anything in my twenties and
thirties that was meaningful. Yeah, without a tequila shot or
a yeah corona.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Like you, if you don't want to have fun.
Speaker 6 (42:04):
You needed the liquid courage to talk to the ladies back.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
In the day, right, Yeah, And sometimes Ann gets mad
at me. I need liquid courage to talk to hand. Yeah,
he was fired up last night. I was like, I
better have one.
Speaker 8 (42:15):
Oh, that's why you were upset? Okay, not low maintenance.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
Jay Macketts and was on your case. Got it all right?
Speaker 7 (42:20):
Ye?
Speaker 8 (42:21):
Hey, Valentine's Days right around the corner, buddy, I hope
you got your act together there.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
I know what Saturday is, just making sure very few
days a guy's got to get right. Anniversary. You may
want to put that in your phone. YEA Valentine's Day,
that one that one kind of seems to matter.
Speaker 8 (42:40):
Did you send Sam Darnold any roses or anything or
you know, just to make cover all of.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
This, made contact through sources to Sam Donald, wishing him
greatness going forward, great Daniel Jeremiah's.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Coming up next hour.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I'm telling you if you haven't read that stuff on
the Coamingo Warrior Steve kerrcious, not as good as liquorice,
but that that that was a great story. That was
an unbelievable story. Nobody, nobody's talking about it because of
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Go read it.
Speaker 7 (43:10):
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
It is the Herd wherever you may be and however
you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of
your day. You know a lot of times I've said
this over and over and over, ad nauseum for years.
Do not chase money, chase good management. There's a sea
of money out there. If you're talented, there's a sea
(00:50):
of money. There's not there's a finite number of really
good in my case, broadcasting executives. There's a million broadcasting
company and very few that.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Are really really well run.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
And so I look at people often in my space
and just say, let me see your career decisions. Why
did you just go there just about money, short term money?
What about your long term career aspirations? What about good
management and marketing? And so it was lost in the
super Bowl week that Jonathan Kaminga and the Warriors, and
(01:26):
I've never been a huge cominga guy. It kind of
melted down. It got kind of ugly and and and
you know, each side he said, they said, you know whatever,
each kind of covering their tracks and the divorce. Here
was Steve Kerr on the Coaminga move, the Kaminga trade.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Steve Kerr.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
JK is a really good young guy. You know, He's
it's been obviously a rocky road, uh, you know, for
him and for us, And you know, it wasn't always
you know, the right fit obviously kind of in and out.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Of the rotation.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I think that was tough for him, tough for us
as well, trying to navigate everything. And I really hope
JK finds his way and you know, whether it's Atlanta
or wherever else, you know, I really want to see
him succeed. And I'm sorry that it didn't didn't happen here.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Let me give you three players. Jonathan Kaminga, Jalen Green,
and Scoot Henderson were g League ignite guys, a four
year experiment by the NBA that went belly up and
should have none of them developed into the player they
should have been much like broadcasting. I judge people on
(02:39):
the decisions and choices they make. Why in the world
would you choose G League Ignite over Duke in Kansas
and Michigan State. Well, a lot of kids aren't built
for college. Every pro football player goes there for at
least three years. Why are basketball players different? You can't
handle your at college. The marketing you get playing I
(02:59):
watched Duke Carolina the other day. You got eight million
dollars of free marketing. None of those G League guys.
You don't get elite coaching in G League Unite you
don't get You don't play in packed arenas like Cameron
Indoor or Kansas or Yukon where you that's like an
NBA intensity, the coaching, the nutrition, the travel, the training staffs.
(03:21):
Playing in massive arenas that is like, that's like a
I mean playing at Carolina, that's like an NBA environment,
a playoff environment. You got fifteen thousand plus, sixteen thousand
plus you know, at these big college basketball arenas. That's
where you go. That's where you get marketing. Cooper flag
Duke to Dallas. He's already a star. Why because I
(03:43):
watched them at Duke Stefan Castle, a Yukon Jalen Brunson
goes to Villanova. By the time he gets to the NBA,
I know his whole life story. I'm looking at guys
this morning. Find me one g League ignite star in
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
There isn't one.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I always felt this about AAU basketball eight thousand meaningless games,
more about the individual than the team, and you'll find
Cominga's like a lot of these guys, Scoot Henderson, Jalen Green.
They don't play well with others. They I mean, it's
more about I got to have the ball in my hands.
It's the spacing.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
They're not good. It's just like super talented, Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
But what really bothers me is the choices young great
basketball players have. I don't understand everybody demonizing college basketball.
The coaching, the travel is first class, the arenas you playing,
the gear you get even pre Nil, even pre Nil,
I would talk to a couple of college basketball friends
(04:44):
and they were like, you know, people in the business
coaches and they're like, players get treated really well. That
was pre Nil. So you know, you can blame whoever
you want. Comminga's long and talented, but he doesn't rebound.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
He doesn't shoot well. His low post game is all
over the map.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Good one night, not the next goodness matchup bad in
the next. Yeah, I wish him well, but I've been
on this for years. I do not get the NBA.
NFL totally gets the value of college football. Totally understands
the value of college football Basketball like has it out,
NBA has it out for college basketball. The coaching is great,
(05:23):
the arenas are great. The TV product you're on television.
I mean, you've seen the ratings for these college basketball
games the last couple.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
Of years, huge or beating in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
With that, here's somebody I haven't talked to you in
a while. Maybe tech not talk. Trent Dilfer used to
be a regular on the show. Got kind of busy.
He got a new job. Do we have Trent right
now over reconnecting right now? He'll be joining us in
just one second.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And I went and looked at Cominga's numbers the last
three years, by the way, in the minutes and his
games and his numbers all went down. All right, here
we go. Trent Dilfer now is joining us. Long I
live a long time, no talk. Fourteen years in the NFL.
Where are you right now and how are you doing?
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I'm mister brother. I am back, after a complete failure
in college football, back to where my roots are, high
school football. So I'm back at Lipscombe, where I spent
four years and was my happiest And what I'm wired
to do more transformation than transaction.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, that's what college football is.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
We talked about this earlier.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I had Drew Brees on yesterday and I asked Drew,
I said, does your journey remind you a little Sam
Darnold with the first place is turbulent, you don't maybe
get the support, and he said it does. And he
went on and gave a really interesting answer and it
actually made me think of Arch Manning, who had to sing.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
For two years.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I would argue, behind a guy Hill ultimately better than
than when he did play, got the crap kicked out
of him and everybody ripped him. And then at the
end of this year, dealing with all that adversity, he
was great in his last six games. And I'm like,
when you were in college football, I mean you journey,
I mean I could go back.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I was there.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I was in Tampa working as a sports guy, do
you worry about having been in college football? Forget the
other positions that at the first sign of adversity, A
lot of these quarterbacks and their dads are like, we're
out of town.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Does that worry you?
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Heck yeah, as usual. You're right on this thing that
nobody wants to talk about. What makes you wired to
be a championship quarterback is the adversity? Are the hard things?
Are the grind are the failures? I got booed out
of outbacks. I had binoculars thrown at me. You know,
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if there was social media back then, I wouldn't be
able to be on it. And many quarterbacks have the
same story. It's what hardened you. And we're so scared
as athletes in this generation for hard things, for adversities,
for benchings, for failures, for foreign interception games, for not
meeting expectations, what a guy might say about you, what
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you read on your phone. But yet we need to
embrace those things. Is the good stuff. The good stuff
comes out of the hard stuff, and you get to
a point where you really just don't care anymore about
what others think, then you're free. But I think every
young player has to go through that pain point has
to go through that struggle, so they're freed up that
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you're not playing for that. You're playing because you love football,
for your teammates, for the job, for the passion. And
that's what you said. I'm seeing Sam donald highlights. That's
all you've seen in Sam. Sam was wildly talented. We
came out. I remember being at ESPN saying Sam Donald
is a can't miss guy if if he's developed the
right way, if he's taught the right way, if the
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system's correct form. But he went into a bad situation.
It took the hardening of bad situations, took resilience and grits.
It took being with the right people in the right time,
in the aha moment. The guys will more game in
the last two years, I think than anybody but Tom
Brady in the two years, and so he has become
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a great quarterback because of the hardening that went into
the process.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
We tend to you know, we tend to forget that football,
more than any sport, is really collaborative. I mean, if
if you're a great basketball player, you can get your
twenty six a night in Orlando or in Phoenix. But
even as a wide receiver. Look at Larry Fitzgerald's career, Boy,
he was way better when he has Kurt Warner.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Like or so, I mean even a receiving position which
we think is over on the sideline doing his own thing,
breaking the huddle.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
First.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I look at Josh Allen, well, because of his contract,
they don't have Pro bowlers on defense. I look at
Patrick Mahomes because of his contract, they don't have a
running game and they can't get their own line right.
Brady and Breeze both said at one point, Trent, I'm
gonna take a little less and I'm gonna win more. Well,
what do you know, Network's come the minute you're off
the air and they want to put you on the
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air because you're a winner. Go back to your career
is maybe the model going forward. Guys, you will make
that money back. You'll make it back because you'll have
a better right tackle, you'll get a TV job. But
it is hard to tell a pro athlete don't take
the most money available to you. That's hard for a quarterback,
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is it not?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
It is. I think this is a big subject. I'll
give you my thoughts on this. I've been saying this
for years one. I think in the CBA, in the
salary cap, they need to remove a portion for the quarterback.
I think every team football would be better if the
teams weren't punished for these massive quarterback salary cap hits.
I've always thought that should be the case. If not,
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then I'm on your I'm on your page. Then they
at least need to relax some of the rules so
that quarterbacks like Tom Brady and Drew Be's a the
face of the franchise, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, you can
go down the list. Should be able to get an
equity piece of the organization or be involved in business
deals that are tied to the NFL, because that's where
real money. I mean, you know billionaires. I know billionaires.
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They're equity stakes, you know what I mean. They get
a piece of something bigger than their personal brand. So
imagine Tom Brady, I don't know how much wealthy has.
It's ridiculous, I'm sure, but indeed be even greater if
he had a stake of the New England Patriots. Drew
Brees should have had a steak in the business dealings
of the Nowrorleans Saints if they could do that, then
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quarterbacks would take less because agents aren't going to let
them bet on the TV contract. And I get it.
I will say this too about Tom and Drew. They're
both very good at it too, you know. I mean,
I don't watch a ton of NFL anymore, but when
I do and neither one of them's talking, I listen
or I don't listen to a lot of other people,
you know what I mean. And there's a lot of
really successful quarterbacks that aren't good on TV. I mean,
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they just don't know how to communicate clearly, They're not
concise with their words, they don't have charisma, they can't
teach the game. The game came too easy for them.
I think a lot of times the guys are the
best on TV. The game came hard to Tom Brady
worked harder than anybody else, so he can explain it
to somebody that's in the developmental stage or doesn't totally
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understand it. Drew Brees same way. He can explain it
better because he took the hard road to the game
and as a gravitasa be in a Hall of Famer.
So again, agents are going to let you bet on
the future, but in the now, they can have money,
they could have revenue streams that are legal that are
outside the salary cap. Then they would take more. I mean,
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anybody would take more for a superstar wide receiver or
a better left tackle, or a dominant inside backer or
an edge rusher. That would be a no brainer for
any of us if we knew that we had an
equity stake or a business dealing that could bring us
the hundreds of millions of dollars that were turning down
in a contract.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You said you watch more college than pro, and we've
had this kind of opinion on this show is that
a lot of my strongest opinions on players are often
because I have sources in a pro league telling me that,
or in an athletic department. And then there's these occasions
when I like somebody way more than my sources in
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the league, or I like somebody way less than my sources,
And that's when I make off of.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
My biggest mistakes.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And you can, you know, you look at and go,
how did you think that? And I'm like, well, I
should have listened to people. So Fernando Mendoza is one
of those. My sources like him. I love him. I
think He's Matt Ryan plus bigger, stronger, more athletic than
Matt Ryan. And I think Matt Ryan was really good
in his prime. Very good MVP Fernando Mendoza, what do
(13:47):
you see?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Do you see very good but not a star?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Or is it you tell me what you see?
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Tremendously talented, very charismatic, great learn or compliant, which I
think is one of the most under valued thing in quarterbacking,
meaning that they will do as they're told to do
by their coaches who are smarter than them. They're not
trying to roll out the balls and be the best
athlete on the field. They're trying to be a surgeon
(14:16):
instead of a butcher. If I told that one, don't
you before? Both have sharp instruments, right. One has a
makes your pastrami sandwich with his instrument. The other one
saves your life with his instrument. You got to have
surgeons out there, so you got to be compliant to
be a surgeon. He has played very remedial quarterback, so
(14:37):
their passing game is very good but very simple. He
does not full field read very often. If you notice,
he tucks it and runs a lot. Because they're kind
of a one to two and go offense. Just I
would say, Justin Herbert is your best comparable Hall of
(14:58):
Fame talent, remedial progression in his development. Therefore, he needs
to be handled in such a way early on because
he's going to have to play. I still don't believe
in playing him early. I still to this day, I'm
one of the very few out there that still thinks
they should sit for a year, one year, one year.
But everybody else says, all you got to pay him,
you got to play him great. Then play him in
(15:21):
a run action, cut the field in half, RPO, good
run game, third down, protect him, don't make him do
all the protections, and let him go be really good
at that, and then build over years into the surgeon.
I think he'd be as good as anybody there is.
If and people are going to hold me to these comments,
(15:44):
and I'm putting there that if I want to know
who's coaching him, I want to know who's developing him.
I want to know who's in his ear all the time.
I want to know who his mentor is. Is he
going out to southern California working with Jordan Palmer, I hope,
So you know what I mean. I hope that he's
doing the things that the greatest in the games decided.
I'm okay right now, but I can be great, and
(16:07):
I need to surround myself with people that are great. Now.
Some of that is in his control, and some of it,
like Sam Donald, like a bunch of others that were
really good that didn't make it, it's out of their control.
So where he's drafted, who's developing them, how they've built
the infrastructure around him. As Mike holbmganis used to say,
(16:28):
build the building around that player's development, because then we'll
all have jobs forever. But if you don't build the
building around his development, he's just part of the building.
Then he could have a Sam Donald experience because he
hasn't been taught. And I love that staff. This is
not a knock in Indiana staff. By the way. We've
(16:50):
dumbed it down a little bit too in college football
because you only have them for a limited amount of
time and you got to win games. So it's nobody's fault.
But when you look at his d n A is
a quarterback. It's more of a one to two either
or it's very defined. A lot of back shoulders, a
lot of go balls instead of inside benders, runaways. Not
(17:12):
a lot of modern NFL passing game in his reports
Wall So that just needs to be developed. Will it
happen by the right person. It wouldn't even be that
hard to develop them by the right person, but it
needs to be the right person.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So I was saying, we'll wrap it up with this.
The Seahawks defense, which is really special. When when your
GM goes eight for eight in the last four years
on the first two picks, and I mean eight for
eight great players, that's hard to duplicate. The Seattle defense
looked a little bit like the Legion of you know,
(17:46):
Boom and all the legion to do it, and also
look a little bit like your Ravens defense. Now, your
Ravens defense could corners could do things you can't do anymore.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
So it's different.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But when I think of great defenses, I'm like, oh,
the Tampa Bay, the Ravens, Richard Sherman, Cam Chancellor, Seahawks,
and I watched this one. I'm like, that's one of
the four. And so Drake May gets engulfed and my
take is he's twenty three. These golfs, I mean, outside
of Matt Stafford, they ate everybody's lunch. They miss Stafford's
(18:19):
got Puka and Davonte and McVeigh. So you tell me,
with the times in your career, when you go back
to your early days, your young days, and you face
the best defense in the league, what does it look like?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
What was Drake May seeing?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Oh gosh, I'm so glad you asked me his questions.
I have a really fun story to tell to answer
this question. My wife and I were driving across the
country for the lat for four days, and the third
day was Super Bowl Sunday, and she wanted to stop
and go to a fancy hotel and watch the game.
I'm like, no, I'm rolling. I'm ten hours in. I
want to do another two three hours. So we're watching
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the game on Highway seven, driving through the mile of
America on our iPad, and I'm driving and I'm going
about seventy five eighty miles per hour, and I get
pinned in between these two semis. And everybody's ever driven
a highway When you're going fast, there's a lot of traffic,
and the semis pin you in. It's the most claustrophobic, uncomfortable.
(19:21):
Oh my gosh, I'm going fast they're going fast, but
are they gonna smell? Am I going to become a
you know, peanut butter and jelly sandwich in these in
these semis. And I'm watching Drake Man, I'm like, we're
living the same life right now. I'm gonna get smashed
by two semis going seventy five. He feels that way
(19:41):
every time he takes the snap. The Seattle Seahawks defense
was two semis pinned him in on its highway seventy
in the middle of America. And what do you do?
You can't bring you can't think. Everything speeds up like
he short arms some balls. I think the kid's phenomenal.
I coached him lead eleven. I love Drake May. He
(20:02):
will be a superstar in this league for years to come.
But you put and ask Tom Thiss. I mean, Tom's
on your show. He's the greatest of all time. There's
only one defense to Tom Brady. There's only one way
you could take himway. You couldn't play man, you couldn't
play zone, you couldn't plit some, you couldn't drop eight,
you couldn't do it. But what you could do is
make him sandwich in between two semis. Rex Ryan's defenses
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did it. Sometimes there are certain defenses that knew how
to take Tom Brady's super power away and it's his
was more interior pressure, right, but this was an overwhelming
side interior sandwich, two semis on the side of you
on a highway pressure, and no quarterback in the history
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of football could have thrived in that environment.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, it's it's great seeing you again.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
I fired up, man, and a care to have to
say anymore after the colossal failure in college football. At
least I know a little bit.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Listen, football is Belichick got fired, Andy Reid got fired.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I think you're okay, you're.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Getting fired to hired when I decided to coach. That's
what all my mentors told me, and say, hey, if
you're willing to be hired a bunch of times and
fired a bunch of times, go for it. I'm like, okay,
here we got seeing you again.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You're the best, dude, see it all right, Trent dilferd Yeah,
I mean I think you know.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
We said this a year ago.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Sam Darnold got sacked nine times with the Rams, and
everybody said, guys, a bum told you. A year later,
he's hosting a Trophy. They're going to get their offensive
line fixed because it's obvious that's the weakness of the team.
And Drake May faces the Seahawks next regular season, What
do you bet he plays well?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
What do you bet he's a better quarterback?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Like when I'm watching that Seattle game and I'm YouTube,
I didn't watch the highlights. Seattle's defense is just I mean,
the four best defenses top of my head are like
that Ravens defense. There was a Buccaneer defense, there's the
Seattle defense with Cam Chancellor Richard Sherman, and there's this defense.
And then now Houston Texans are really good too. But
(22:09):
those four just in the end end up in Super Bowls.
They just overwhelmed people. That's why I said Stafford as
MVP over Drake May.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Stafford ate this defense for.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Onuns, and some of it is Seattle's guard, center guard,
Seattle's the Rams have great guards and great receivers and
great backs. So Seattle's facing a Rams offense that is
a Pro Bowl team. There's like great players everywhere. But
even that said, Stafford wasn't good on third down. Stafford
(22:42):
I think was zero for six on third down. That
they were very good early downs. So Drake May, I
mean you would agree Drake May is gonna be fine.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
By the way, there was some commentary from Seattle defensive
backs about May they could tell what's coming based on
the way he was looking and react. There were some tells.
They were like, we couldn't see that with Stafford. Hey, Cale,
let me say someone about trentil for real.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Quick two seconds.
Speaker 8 (23:06):
A lot of people, when they have success, they give
themselves all the credit. Well, I was a genius, I
was smart, and when they have failures they blame.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
It on other people.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
Yeah, well that that guy screwed me in the system,
and blah blah blah. What Trent Dilfer just said was
pretty incredible.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
I mean, he owned it. He was like, I was
a failure. That's refreshing.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
I mean that was one of the most real things
that I've heard from any interview we've had this year.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
I mean, did you hear him? He was just like,
oh no, I mean I failed.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I respect that Steve Spurry are great college coach, disaster
in the NFL, and Nick Saban failed And I don't
think Nick's built for the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
He's really built for college. He's got it. He's really
got to. He's a closer.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
He's a great personality, he's a great teacher. But like
spurry Er, just in my opinion, you know, Steve just
didn't quite have like the the work mentality. NFL is
no life. I mean it's just no football life. Like
you literally in the facility all day. That's not who
Spurrier is.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
And he used the word dilfoe use the word transaction.
Did you hear that? And college football is very transactional.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
That's what it is.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
It's what are you going to pay me to come
on your team?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
What's my role?
Speaker 6 (24:12):
And that's that's a little different.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
And that's why a Kurt Signetti and a Bill Belichick,
guys who are older can flourish. It's it's it's it's administrative,
it's transactional. Bill Belichick's not going to go you know,
five six years ago, Nick Saban's literally on a private
jet flying to northern California.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
He's all over the country. You have no life now.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
A lot of it is recruit within your region and
go buy the deficienc.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
He's on your own exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
And so it makes and and and get young staffs
who will do the work for you. But it's a
largely the head coach. Now it's a transactional administrative job.
And that that that means you don't have to have
the best energy in the world. If you've got a
little bit of energy and can write some checks, you
can solve a lot of problems on that roster.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Yeah, it used to be the you know, Nick Saban,
here's how I can help you. Now all the players
are like, what are you going to do for me?
What are you paying me?
Speaker 6 (25:04):
What's my role going to be? And it's it's changed
a lot.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
College football is in this this weird like transactional phase
where I think it's good, you think it's good, but on.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Ground zero, I don't say. I will say we've overstated
it a little. I think the first few years, a
couple of years of the en Nil, everybody was just
leve leve, leve leave. I think universities have gotten much
smarter on this. I think the first two years of
it people overspent or or I should say overspent over signed.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yes, I mean I always have this take.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Most if Georgie is moving off a defensive lineman, they
know the odometer.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
They didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
They didn't want to move off Jalen Carter right, Like like,
if you find LSU or Georgia or in Alabama moving
off an interior defensive tackle, he probably doesn't play as
hard as they lie. So the bottom line is most universities,
the power conferences, the power schools, they're gonna pay the
guys who are really, really great. And I think teams
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have figured out the NIL. College football programs have figured
out there's a lot of good B players that you
don't have to pay a fortune that can like, you know,
a second corner, a second running back, a second a
right tackle, not a left tackle. And now occasionally you
can go buy a Caleb Downs. Wasn't it a baman
goes to Ohio State. You're like, Okay, that guy's just unbelievable.
(26:30):
But I think the NIL everything goes in a cycle. Yeah,
in the first couple of years of it, it was
like people were buying thirty five players. I always thought,
I've talked to a coach who said this, the magic
number is eight. You won't screw up chemistry. If you
bring it about eight guys, you may he goes outside
of quarterback plug deficiencies, you don't have to go buy stars.
(26:52):
Go buy a great pass rusher if you can. But
just you don't want to be terrible anywhere. The coaching's good.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Well, Texas Tech is trying to throw a monkey wrench.
I just read an article about some of the stuff
they're doing. They're very cutting edge, man. You know that
was my team last year. I gave it out on
the show Texas Tech to make the playoff. That was
a plus five hundred ticket, a big winner. I'm looking
for one this year. I don't have it yet, but
I may have to pick your brain during one of
these commercial breaks.
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Speaker 1 (28:36):
Daniel Jeremiah knows this stuff. NFL Draft, it is something
we will discuss at length. First though, j Mack with
the news.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
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Speaker 6 (28:52):
Can't wait for that, Daniels Jeremiah talk.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
But let's start with Max Crosby. Colin, He's making news.
It's almost like is it by design? Is he trying
to pump up his IG followers? Anyways, Max Crosby's all
over the news this last week, but he's now down
playing the rumors that he wants out, and he doubled
down in an appearance on the Let's Go podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Everyone spit me up.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Did you say this?
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Did you?
Speaker 12 (29:16):
It's I can't control that. You earned that as a player.
You know, if I wasn't doing the right things, and
if I wasn't the person and player I was, you know,
people wouldn't be talking about all the nonsense.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
But that's what comes with it.
Speaker 12 (29:30):
I really don't care what everybody has to say.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I used to a lot as.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
A young guy.
Speaker 12 (29:33):
I really don't give a damn if people could have
their own opinions. I know what's going on. I know
my truth, and I don't need to sit here and keep,
you know, rehashing it to people that don't know what's
going on. So I don't even I don't even waste
time with it.
Speaker 8 (29:48):
Okay, So Colin, if we put those words on the screen,
what he just said, it's a gigantic word salad. He
essentially said nothing, revealed nothing about what he wants, which
is good.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
He's a pro.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
And listen, I know people don't think I like Max Crosby.
I've seen his basketball video. He could pay definitely play
on my men's league. Deep we would recruit him, but don't.
I just don't know why he's still talking about this colin.
You know, I know he's a veteran, but.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I think he is the missing piece for several top teams.
I think Kansas City could use him. New England could
use him. I think mass Crosby is one of the
you know, free agency and trade guy doesn't really equal
Super Bowl. I mean, if you go look at the Seahawks,
Sam Darnald was obviously an exception where you bring a
(30:33):
guy in a quarterback important position, You're like, oh, he
was such an upgrade from Geno. I mean, the roster
in Seattle last year was good. I mean they how
many rookies made an impact that John Snyder drafted this
year too, a garden of safety. The roster was great
with Gino Smith. Obviously, Donald's the big part of it
that goes next level. JSN was already in the building
(30:55):
with Donald. Suddenly he was great with Gino. He was
frustrating or frustrated. So my point is Crosby may not
be a quarterback, there is no question if you put
him on New England next year with their interior defensive linemen,
that is a that's the best defensive line maybe in
this ward. So I mean I think Crosby chaining. I mean,
(31:16):
New England's defensive tackles are excellent. Well you put Crosby
on that D line in New England lights out?
Speaker 8 (31:24):
Okay, So is there a world where spy Tech and
the new coach Kubiak go to Crosby and say, hey, bro,
we get it.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Sounds like you want out. How about this?
Speaker 8 (31:33):
Don't do any more podcasts, leave social media commentary to us,
don't talk about it, and we will get you where.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
You want to go.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And then you know, you.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
Call up the Buffalo Bills and bere like, oh yeah,
is Kean Coleman for sale? You know the BS game
that you play as an executive?
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Oh well yeah, so Crosby any interest.
Speaker 8 (31:51):
You're not calling about Max, You're calling about somebody else,
But you work it in like call the contenders, just
do it quietly. I don't love this negativity. When you've
got you gotta remember pick Max. Crosby is a star.
He goes on podcasts and they ask him about it.
What is he supposed to say?
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Well?
Speaker 8 (32:10):
The problem is that that we like authenticity. You and
I love that it gives us content. Everybody loves that,
but it's gonna mess with the locker room. You got
a new head coach, your first time head coach in Kubiak,
rookie number one pick likely in Mendoza. You gotta woe
be gone franchise in Vegas that can't win a damn thing, Like,
why would you do this?
Speaker 6 (32:27):
You're messing with the fans.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Head.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
It's like, I don't think it's messing with anything. I
think he's been the silver lining for the Silver and
Black for about seven years. I think he's the only
redeemable part of this franchise in the last seven Are
you sure it's Silver and.
Speaker 8 (32:39):
Black or black and blue? I mean, these guys are
gether butts kicked every year by everyone.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Like I'm telling you right now, I love Max as
a raider, but if you could get two ones, oh
you do that from New England, I think you have
to consider it.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
I would peddle him to the NFC first.
Speaker 8 (32:54):
I don't want to have to see that guy fairting
the trophy of my conference.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
All right, let's go to the next story. That's Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 8 (33:02):
Dude, do you remember how much we talked about this
guy last year as he guided Washington to the NFC Championship.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Well, this past.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
Season he did nothing because he was hurt, and now
he's got a new oc in wait for it, David Blau,
former Detroit Lions practice squad guy.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
I think he took a couple snaps.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Here's Dan Quinn talking about how Jaden is going to
look a little different this season.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
It'll look different some JP in some ways as we're
still kind of building some of the things together. But
this is going to be like an aggressive balance attack,
but like that will probably have more under center than
we have in the past. We're going to try to
feature every part of Jaden in the way that makes
him unique and special. Jaden's a big part of our
(33:46):
thinking and all the things that we do. He wasn't
a part of the staff selection, but like he drives
a lot of the thinking and how we can feature
him and where it goes, and so having the ability
to connect with him that's certainly a big deal for us.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
All Right, So you pretty good stat here, Colin Warren Sharp.
You know he's a buddy.
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Sure, so he charted under center dropbacks last season where
you're taking STAPs from under center.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Okay, Washington was dead last in the league.
Speaker 8 (34:20):
Seventeen steps the whole season under center, sorry, dropping back,
and it's like, dude, what are you doing?
Speaker 6 (34:27):
So maybe that's why they move off Kingsbury. They need
to change it up. So now Jaden will be under center.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
More.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
Guess who happened to be under center of the most
As you can see on the chart here, rams number one,
number two. By the way, in snaps under center, Chicago
bears number two, and all the teams at the top had.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
A lot of success.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well, you know, this is why the NFL's great. It's
constantly evolving. It was an under center league, then it
was a shotgun league, and now the better teams are
going back under center when you have a star quarterback.
So and a lot of people like under center because
a quarterback never takes his eyes off the defense. As
defenses get more sophisticated, you know, in the shotgun you
look down for half a second or a second to
(35:08):
get the snap, and the defense can shift at the
snap of the ball. So a lot of the guys
in the league that the offensive coordinators like can like
under center. So well, one of the things that is
really cool about the NFL. You and I baseball went
forever without making changes, and then Rob Manfred over like
a three year period, made multiple changes. They all worked,
(35:29):
and a baseball now is so much more watchable now
than five years ago. If you go watch a baseball
game five years ago, go on YouTube, it's so slow.
It's like it's like a rotary phone. Like, I can't
do it. NBA's got things that needs to solve. Bill
Simmons was talking about that this week, and they won't.
They're like, well, we got paid, we made money from
the networks. Like your game's got like four major issues.
(35:51):
I don't even think tanking's the biggest issue. The NFL
is so cyclical. The rules to pats don't look like
they look kickoffs don't look like they love. The catch
rule got tweaked, And I think part of what I
love about football is I mean, now suddenly Seattle, by
the way, it was, oh you got to go for
it and fourth down? You know who didn't go it?
Ford on fourth down this year, benver Seattle. Like, I
(36:15):
just love the way the NFL is constantly shifting and changing.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
An under center is coming back.
Speaker 8 (36:22):
Well, it's I don't know that that's like a rule
that's more like a coach thing. McVeigh and Ben Johnson
are at the cutting edge. So they realized the too
high safety has taken away the big place. How do
you manipulate those guys? Put the quarterback under center? We
may run the football, So what are the DB's doing?
And that I think is a big reason why we're
seeing under center now because you have to respect the
(36:42):
run game where they'll just matriculate down the field, Tires Williams.
Three years ago, it may have been two, you and
I were on the show. Everybody was like, running backs
aren't being paid. Nobody wants a running back. You and
I went on the air and said slow down. Running backs,
especially for young quarterbacks, are like a life. Preserve tight
(37:03):
ends and running backs like stop. Isn't it amazing that
the MVP of the Super Bowl Kenneth Walker, Like it
was three years ago, Everybody's.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Like, nobody wants to pay their running back. No, No, nobody
wants to pay a running back that second huge contract.
Everybody liked running back generally, you didn't want to go
a second big contract because it's the last position on offense.
You can head hunt. You can hit them from anywhere
they come to a line. You can hit him anywhere.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
So we were early on that I will say this.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
I think McVeigh going to three tight ends at times
this year and having ultra success a lot is gonna
make people be like, do we need to go after
more tight ends and free agency? And make sure to
ask Jeremiah about this. He was just breaking down the
tight ends. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of
high end ones, but middle rounds there could be some
tight end value.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
And you've got to be able to be flexible, whether three.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
Wides, three tight ends, two running backs, NFL just a
smart league. Final storycl Let's go to NBA All Star weekend.
I know you're fired up, very excited. Well, Kevin Durant
also very excited. I can't tell if he's being real
here or he's trying to stir the pot, but he's
taking shots at some of the European gentlemen.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Here we go.
Speaker 11 (38:13):
You should ask the Europeans that the world team if
they gonna compete. I mean, because we look at Luka
Doncis and Nicola Jokis. Now let's go back and look
at what they do at the All Star Game. Is
that competition? So we haven't questioned what they've been doing,
but we're gonna question old hiss and the Americans. But
these two dudes out there, Luca and Jokis, they don't
(38:36):
care about the game. Man. Oh, these dudes be laying
on the floor. They shoot from half court. But you
got worried about the old heads playing hard. I can
read between the lines, Bro, you.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Know he's not wrong on that.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean, Yoka ch has no interest none. Kevin Durant
can your buddy. Kevin Durant can be very funny.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
I like him now he's he's onto something. I'll be
real though, Colin Uka, Jannis jokiciz guys. International All Star
games are nothing. They don't mean a damn thing. They
play for championships overseas, and that's what those guys are
into here, not some fluffy All Star game where there's
no defense being played by guys who aren't great defenders anyway.
You know, so Kd's honest something. I don't know how
(39:16):
you fix that when your best players in the league
are international, don't care about the All Star Game and
don't play defense.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I can do a show on four to five things
the NBA needs to change, Please don't. I won't because
the truth is, when we get to late April, May
and June, the playoffs are going to be unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, every year in.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
This space when the football season ends, when we start
moving to the NBA and the stars aren't playing because
you know they're resting either your tanking or they're resting
for the playoffs. That you know, like people have like
minutes maybe privately on what they want to play. We
all go crazy on the NBA. The playoffs will show
up in May and they'll be really really good.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (39:58):
By the way, thirty remember college basket about thirty three games,
NBA eighty two.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
So yeah, Collins, guy's gotta go hard. You gotta make
the tournament NBA eighty two.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Eight.
Speaker 8 (40:07):
Let's take a week off here, week off there, kind
of like your summers when you're gallivanting globally with the.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Other coastal lap. I play less than Lebron in the summer.
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping that.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
The Herd Line News Live in Chicago, It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
in noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
App Tonight on FS one.
Speaker 8 (40:39):
Speed Weeks is underway as the NASCAR Cup Series goes
full throttle for the duel at Daytona. Pre race gets
going at six Eastern with green flag flying at seven
to set the field for the Great American Race.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Hey, has it been confirmed Jmack that liquorice is bad
for you? Because I've had six pieces today and I've
never felt better.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
In my life. Is this red licorice? It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
I could knock down Twizzlers like a bowl of it,
and I never feel I never once in my life
have had licorice and thought.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Oh that didn't agree with me.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, every time I try Skittles, I'm like on cloud nine.
Speaker 8 (41:17):
Yeah, Skittles, there's no sugar in that, so you should
be good.
Speaker 6 (41:20):
No red dyes or anything. You're all clear on that.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
You know half the stuff you read in the internet,
I don't even buy. Oh you can't drink anymore? Well,
I'm very stressed out last night and my turtle saw
levels were high, so I knocked out a gin and soda.
I felt like I was, honestly Clark Kent, I was Superman.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
What was the stress?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Was this?
Speaker 6 (41:40):
Because you have to stop talking.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
With old Arnold, dealing with a lot of your nonsense.
It's very stressful, I.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Gotta tell you.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
People always say now the big trend is young people
don't drink.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
That's a problem. That's where all the fun is.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
I don't think I did anything in my twenties and
thirties that was meaningful. Yeah, without a tequila shot or
a yeah corona.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Like you, if you don't want to have fun.
Speaker 6 (42:04):
You needed the liquid courage to talk to the ladies back.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
In the day, right, Yeah, And sometimes Ann gets mad
at me. I need liquid courage to talk to hand. Yeah,
he was fired up last night. I was like, I
better have one.
Speaker 8 (42:15):
Oh, that's why you were upset? Okay, not low maintenance.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
Jay Macketts and was on your case. Got it all right?
Speaker 7 (42:20):
Ye?
Speaker 8 (42:21):
Hey, Valentine's Days right around the corner, buddy, I hope
you got your act together there.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
I know what Saturday is, just making sure very few
days a guy's got to get right. Anniversary. You may
want to put that in your phone. YEA Valentine's Day,
that one that one kind of seems to matter.
Speaker 8 (42:40):
Did you send Sam Darnold any roses or anything or
you know, just to make cover all of.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
This, made contact through sources to Sam Donald, wishing him
greatness going forward, great Daniel Jeremiah's.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Coming up next hour.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I'm telling you if you haven't read that stuff on
the Coamingo Warrior Steve kerrcious, not as good as liquorice,
but that that that was a great story. That was
an unbelievable story. Nobody, nobody's talking about it because of
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Go read it.
Speaker 7 (43:10):
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