March 5, 2026 • 42 mins
NBA analyst Jason Timpf joins the show to discuss Jayson Tatum’s potential return to the Celtics and if they are in position to contend for another championship. Aaron Rodgers is still on the fence about coming back to play for the Steelers. Jayson Tatum will be coming back this Friday against the Mavericks. The Lakers add another Dodgers exec to their front office. Plus, more on the Bears trading DJ Moore to the Bills!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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It is a Thursday. This interesting. So yesterday Aaron Rodgers
spoke for the first time McAfee show since like the
season ended, and I defended Aaron Rodgers all year. I
said a lot of people were punishing him like pff
because he wasn't rolling the ball down the field, and
I'm like, they have one receiver. So yesterday, he's still
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unclear if he's coming back to Pittsburgh. But I will say,
if you had an NFL quarterback draft today with everybody
in the league and it was based on the next
three to four years, yeah, Aaron's not to If you
had a quarterback draft for next year, only Aaron Rodgers
would make my top ten. And you think that's crazy.
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But the Steelers were a broken, dysfunctional offense. They went
from twenty third in sacks to ninth. They went from
ten to giveaways to fourth. Red zone was almost dead
last in the league. To top eleven yards after the catch,
they were first. They averaged more yards per play than
Liam Cohen, Trevor Lawrence and the Jags, and they averaged
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more points than the Philadelphia stacked Eagles. So to me,
I thought Aaron had a great year. It was a
completely broken ecosystem. Offensively, they didn't turn it over, they
didn't have penalties, they were good in the red zone,
they were good after the catch. That's Aaron. What else changed?
It was Aaron. So I think again, if you're talking
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one year, I think he's a top ten quarterback. Matt
Hasselbeck on Aaron potentially coming back.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I think he wants to play football, but with a
caveat only somewhere that plays in his offense, with his verbiage,
someone that age, I lived it. You don't want to
try to learn a new language. You don't you like
if it's if it's in Pittsburgh with Mike McCarthy or
someone that runs that same offense, yes, if it's not,
then no, he doesn't want to get in the huddle
and have to think about red left, swap tight flows
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z right, sprit right, g U corner half back flat,
I on onet ready break like. He doesn't want to
do that. He doesn't want to wear a wristband. He
wants to own the offense.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And so it's got to be in that kind of
as system for him to come back.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
In my mind, yeah, I you know, for seventeen games,
I would take Aaron over all, but about eight guys
in the league, and most of those guys I would
take because they're a little younger and a little more athletic.
But go, look, go what the Steelers were, and just
by adding Aaron, look what they became, like a functional offense.
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Now they have Mike McCarthy, So I have like an
adult offensive coach, Dak Cooper rush Aaron. I honestly think
with Baltimore right now in Cincinnati's ridiculousness, I'm not so
sure I wouldn't have Aaron in Pittsburgh winning the division
with McCarthy. I really, I mean, say what you want
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this head coach. They've already got the staff laid out.
You know, McCarthy has always been good at elevating. They
have to go get a number two wide receiver. But
I think he's coming back. And with that, here's breaking news.
Shalms just reported Jason Tatum, just ten months after surgery
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for a ruptured achilles Jason Tatum will play. He's making
his debut is at tomorrow against the Dallas Mavericks, joining
US Live. Jason Temph, host of Hoops Tonight at the Volume,
had him on a couple of weeks ago. Got great feedback.
All right, So I always say this when it comes
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to young athletes in their prime, they always heal faster.
They always show up three months before. Okay, So the
Knicks have been playing well. We worry about their defense.
The Pistons are good, but you know their half guard offense,
there's a ceiling on it. Tatum to the Celtics. Are
they the best team now in the East? Potentially?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
You know, there's this thing with culture. This season for
Boston has been a testament to their culture and just
how strong it is. But then what happens is you
run into really good basketball teams and culture can only
take you so far.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
You need to really get players right.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And last night the Celtics ran into a Charlotte Hornet's
team that is sixteen and three in their last nineteen.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Games fires each other team.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, conversation for another day, But that is
an incredible basketball team they're building out there in Charlotte.
But the Celtics got their butt kicks, and there were
a couple of specific reasons why, but one of the
big reasons why is that their centers really really struggled
to guard and pick and roll and they were just
getting absolutely fried by everybody from the Hornets. And the
big difference between last year's center rotation and this year's
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center rotation is one, you don't have Al Horford, a
guy who has more scheme versatility he can switch, but
two guess who guarded centers for the most part last
year Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum's ability to guard centers gave
the Celtics the ability to switch most ball screens and
it was one of the primary driving forces behind them
winning the title, most famously breaking that Dallas offense by
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putting Tatum on centers and switching all of those ball screens.
And so again, it's all fun and games. This has
been a very impressive season for Boston, but they need
Jason Tatum. He unlocks their defensive versatility. Jalen Brown on offense.
He's had a very good season, but he's shown some
susceptibility to certain types of looks. He specifically struggled against
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deep drop, which is something that Charlotte did a bunch
to them last night. Jason Tatum gives you another guy
who can kind of alleviate that burden on Jalen Brown,
and specifically Jason Tatum is a much better passer, and
it's something that, as we talked about, it'll be a
little clunky at first implementing him into this offense, but
ultimately you will make them more versatile on both ends
of the floor and make them a much better team
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against the best competition around the league.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
All Right, I watched every second of the Nicks hammering
the Spurs. They had every they missed a couple of
late three pointers. They could have beaten OKC last night.
So you know, and you know this, Jason. Regular seasons
different when you can play a team four or five
times in a row and hunt their defensive weakness. Maybe
the Knicks aren't built for that. Maybe, but I will
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say we worried about Tibbs. Oh, here's Mike Brown. They're
bench scoring there. I mean, I said this here to day.
You could be a casual fan Brunson and kat and
Og and Josh Hart and Michale Bridges. They got a
nice rotation. I mean, do you buy this current streak.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
You know what's funny, I told you this last a
couple of weeks ago. I believe in this team more
than I do recent versions of the Knicks because they're
better at some specifics. Mike Brown in particular, one of
the biggest things he's emphasized is early dribble penetration. The
Knicks generate the second most spot up opportunities in the
entire NBA this season. Last year they were middle of
the pack. So spot ups in the half court, that's
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just a guy standing open on the perimeter. That's where
you get a lot of your best offense in the
half court. They are running better offense, they're playing better defense,
but my concern was the rest of the league had
gotten better. What's actually gotten me to buy into the Knicks,
Colin is their matchups against some of these better teams
in the league. They match up really well with the
San Antonio Spurs YEP, and the San Antonio Spurs match
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up really well with the Thunder and so It's really
easy for me to sit here and be like, Oh,
do I think the Knicks can beat the Thunder in
the series? No, I don't. I don't think Brunson can
go blow for blow with Shay. I don't think they
have close to the defensive versatility. There's all sorts of
issues that would go south for New York in that
type of matchup. But they can absolutely beat all these
teams in the East. There's not a team out there
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in the East that looks unbeatable or that can present
the types of challenges that Oklahoma City can present if
they can somehow get out of the conference. San Antonio
has had Oklahoma City's number all season, and san Antonio
to me like, there's a lot of things with them,
some numbers and some specifics with them that are causing
me to recalibrate how I view them compared to other
young teams. But if the Spurs come out of the
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West and the Knicks come out of the East, the
Knicks have had their number this year. Their bigger wings
have been able to guard san Antonio's guards. They've been
physical with Wemby, Brunson's outplay Deer and Fox. They look
really good in that matchup. And so as I was
looking at that Knicks game against the Spurs last week,
I was like, Man, if things break right, this Knicks
team absolutely could win the title this year.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
All right.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So everybody bangs on SGA and my take is he
doesn't have Lebron size and verticality. You know, he doesn't
have MJ's length. So you do what you do. It's
like most of the great route runners in NFL history
at receiver are not huge and are not burners. JSN
is a great route runner because he has to be
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a great route runner. And I look at SGN, I'm like,
he's six six and a buck ninety four. He's got
to manipulate. I don't think the ref SHA's currying favor
with the refs. I think it's difficult. And I do
think he's thin and you can bump him off his
spot and they're gonna blow the whistle. Also, Jordan had
twelve free throws a game one year. Crickets Kd's done
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ten plus Crickets three times, Kobe ten plus. But their
games are way more fun to watch, so nobody complains.
Is part of this is that his game's no fun
to watch, So This.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Is complicated because I do think that the fougrifting thing
is a problem. Like, I'm sorry, but when we're watching
a big national TV game and Shaye like drives into
Kat and just throws up some BS shot that he
would never take unless he was trying to draw foul,
I do think that's a bad television product. I just
think that's a league wide issue and I can't really
get on Shay about it when Luca does the same
thing and Jalen Brunson does the same thing, and man,
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even Jokic has been flopping so much as of late. Like,
it's just a league wide problem. So I don't really
see the point in targeting Shay specifically because he's not
the only guy that's doing it now. The stuff about
him being a TV kind of like a draw for fans.
To me, it comes down to that exact concept you're
talking about. Footwork is fascinating to a football like to
a huge football fan, right or a guy who played,
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or something along those lines. For a guy like me,
a basketball nut job like I have an incredible appreciation
for Shay's footwork is like bizarre, slinky athleticism. His shot
making ability in the mid range like those are things
that I like, but for the masses, for the casual fans.
He doesn't get the crazy dunks like Lebron. He doesn't
go on these insane shooting displays like Steph Curry. His
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offense as a team isn't like the incredible passing fueled,
fluid team offense you see from like Jokic or the
insane physical feats of Wemby. So I think honestly with Shay,
he just struggles to resonate with the masses because most
of his appeal is to more of the refined basketball
side rather than the obvious basketball side.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Okay, So I have said this before, is that you know,
if one of these powers like Notre Dame or Georgia
or Texas, a player transfers out, it's mostly because Texas
or Notre Dame or Georgia don't hold him in high regard.
You're not taking the best Georgia football player from Georgia.
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If he's great, they're going to keep him in house.
And I feel the same way about guys that get traded.
Harden's a great player, right, been traded several times. Why
because eventually the truth comes out. Your game is your
game Anthony Davis. Now, let's be honest. After they win
the COVID title, shows up out of shape the next year.
The honeymoon was over the minute he showed up to
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camp out of shape. To Lebron, who's obsessed with being
in shape. So I love Luca, but the truth was
he'd been hurting back to back years. I've always said
there's a Carmelo component here where he's not in great shape.
He doesn't really contribute defensively. Are you surprised, however, in
the last two weeks that it's the first time ever
there's been a lot of criticism with Luca. Some of
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it's roster construction. This is not it's too much duplication.
But have you been surprised by the criticism? No, I
think a lot of it is fair. You got to remember,
when we're talking about guys at this echelon of the league,
we're not comparing you to the seventh or eighth best
player in the league. We're comparing you to Nicole Jokich,
to Shake Gildas Alexander. We're talking about a special caliber
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of player here, and so you can get a little
bit more nitpicky. The main thing I've noticed with Luca
is that his floor is just a lot lower than
those guys. I firmly believe that when Luca's got his
step back three going, he's like the best player in
the world because he brings the crazy efficiency math problem
that Steph presents with like the size and position of Jokic,
but also with the mid range proficiency of Shay. He
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brings it all to the table and it shows in
the numbers because when he scores, they're super effective, but
when he fails to knock those shots down, he just
struggles to impact the game in other ways. Here a
couple of crazy Statsbury Collin. The Lakers are just four
and seven this year. When Luca scores twenty five or
few points, they are twenty seven and eleven. When he
scores over twenty five, they are nineteen and six. When
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he makes at least four threes, they're twelve and twelve
when he makes fewer than four threes. So so much
comes down to him knocking down that step back three.
And one of the things with Luca is it used
to be when he didn't have his jump shot going,
he could get to the rim and that would drive
all of these other parts of his game Colin his
ability gets to the rim is consistently.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Declining year over year.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Twenty twenty three with Dallas six point one rim attempts
per game, twenty twenty four with Dallas five, twenty twenty five,
four point four, twenty twenty six with the Lakers three
point five. So we have a consistent year over year
decline in his ability to get to the rim, and
so as a result of that, he's not able to
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bring another element to his game when his jump shots
not falling. He's not a very good defensive player. He's
hard to protect on defense too, Like teams have coverages
to protect guards that can't defend, but Luca's so slow
that they basically have to switch with him, which makes
him an easy target. And so really it's not so
much about what Luca's capable of, it's about what he
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looks like when things aren't going his way. With that
jump shot, is floor is lower, and it just makes
them more complicated to build around.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Are you surprised that Lebron and Luca on the floor
together don't work because Lebron generally works with everybody.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
So I think it's complicated. I think first of all,
they are starting to play better. The Big Three have
started to find some footing on offense over the course
of the last couple of weeks. I think the biggest
reason why it hasn't worked is Lebron is just having
a brutal jump shooting season. This is something I've learned
a lot from the NBA over the last few years.
If you want to partner multiple stars together, there needs
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to be a jump shooting element. Guys need to be
able to shoot because that's the only thing that allows
them to stay involved and to have utility when they
don't have the basketball. And what's so weird is Lebron
had been an awesome catch and shoot player the last
couple of years, in the mid forty percent from three
the previous two seasons. But Lebron's been having a bad
jump shooting season, so as a result, he hasn't had
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as much off ball utility. The Lebron groups that have
been best has been when he's by himself. They've been
some of the Lakers' best groups, or when he's by
himself because he's on the ball and he's primarily operating
in transition and the offense is flowing around him, and
so his catch and shoot jump shots not as important.
But ultimately with this team, you've got two guys in
Luca and Lebron in particular, that are not great catch
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and shoot players, and that makes them really difficult to
play alongside each other.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It's called Hoops Tonight. It's a podcast at the Volume
as always, Buddy, great seeing you, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Good to see you, Colin.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Jason Timp does a remarkable job at the Volume for
several years, love bringing him on the show. John Middlecoff
as well. Yeah, I mean Lebron's jump shot has always
been to me j Mack, it's always been hit and miss.
He has stretches and but the thing with Lebron in
his prime is when the jump shot wasn't landing, he
just beat guys off the dribble and score at the rim.
So that's why Lebron's always loved playing with like a
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guy like a Kevin Love or a Chris Bosh, a
big who can move outside and take the big with him.
So if Lebron's jumper's not hitting, he can drive and
score at the rim. I mean, Roy Hibbert gave him
trouble for years, you know in Miami when they would
play Indiana because Lebron doesn't want a he doesn't want
the bigs around the rim, so Bosh and Kevin love
Worth two of his favorite big Anthony Davis. By the way,
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Lebron didn't want him hanging around the rim. He wanted
him out. The problem was ad didn't want to be
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Speaker 1 (18:20):
Boy, as you see this, the Dodgers are just bringing
their front office over to the Lakers. Michael Spettner has
now been chief Strategy and Growth officer for the Lakers.
He was with the Dodgers for years. They brought over
farhand Ziety Andrew Friedman in advisory roles. Then it was
Lon Rosen And this is what we've said. The Cowboys
need to do Lakers and the Cowboys new set of eyes. So,
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I mean, what's amazing. I was talking with the guys
this morning this I'm amazed the Lakers have been as
successful because operationally, I don't think they've been well run.
They've hit on hail mary's. I mean, let's be honest,
they were not the best roster, but lebron chose them
because he wanted to do business in the biggest economy
in the country, LA and so it was a hail
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mary and it worked. And Anthony Davis could have gone
to better teams, but he went to the Lakers because
of the brand, and Luca was a miracle trade. So
the one thing that is very unique, like baseball has
a lot of big brands. So give you an example.
The Yankees are a huge brand. The Braves in the
South are a huge brand, the Dodgers, the San Francisco Giants,
the Red Sox. I mean, the Cubs were a huge
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brandy and they hadn't won a World Series in one
hundred and eight years. There is no equivalent in the NBA.
The Knicks and the Celtics are kind of big brands.
But the Celtics made the finals a couple of years ago,
didn't get numbers, it didn't rate. So the Lakers have
been able to succeed being operationally below average. They make
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a lot of mistakes. But the hail Mary to Lebron,
Magic Johnson stepped in sold him it worked. It was
a hail Mary. The last three years of Kobe, they
were awful. The next two years after Kobe they were awful.
It's remarkable. I mean, they've only got I was thinking
about this with Lebron, A D and Luca in their primes.
At least Lebron was old prime. The Lakers have gotten
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one first round win one time since twenty twenty, and
they've done it because of brand. Baseball's got a lot
of big brands. The NBA doesn't. The Celtics last time
and they were in the finals didn't get a number.
The Lakers is the brand. And so I mean to me,
if you can add the operational excellence of the Dodgers
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with the branding of the Lakers, I mean, I mean,
Rob Polinka even recently talked about what Dodger execs.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Ad when Mark bought the team.
Speaker 9 (20:48):
Genie and I did a really deep dive with him
on sort of the areas he wants to grow and
move into and get aggressive.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
And again looking at the.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
Dodgers and how they built it out, has it been
a great sort of ample and north Star And so
we're still going through that process of how we'll look
in the offseason and what editions will make. But there
will be some positive changes and we built will build
things out.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I mean, they're doing up with some smoking mirrors and
hail Mary's. But give them credit. I mean, that's that
when you have the brand J Mack with the news.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
No, no turn on the news. This is the headline news.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We probably don't do enough horn tooting on this show, Colin,
but I tried to sell you on Cliff Kingsbury's sliding
into McVeigh spot a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
You did well, wouldn't you know it.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Here's Daniel Jeremiah talking about the relationship between so McVeigh
obviously and Stafford have a great relationship. Yeah, Daniel Jeremiah
said something. Listen very closely here, mister Cowherd. Here we go.
Speaker 10 (21:52):
Stafford is the MVP of the league. But I don't
think this is a five year one runway they have there.
They're this close to winning a Super Bowl, and there's
everybody expects that whenever Stafford moves on, there's a decent
chance that Sean McVay moves off.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
So there, this.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Is their time right now.
Speaker 10 (22:07):
I can't wrap my brain around Sean McVay stamping that
and saying, yeah, let's get a quarterback for the future. Oh,
by the way, he's not going to be anywhere close
to his talented to Stafford, and I might not even
be here to coach him.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, you could cross Ty Simpson off your wish list
for the Rams. That's not happening. I love that insight
from mc daniemi.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Would you agree or no.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I think they're going to sign Stafford to a two
year deal and this year they're going for it. Trent
McDuffie move. They've got to get a tackle, they've got
to get a safety, preferably in another wide receiver. But
they don't have a lot of needs. That's why I
think they have one first round pick left. I think
mackay lemon at usc solves their punt woes punt returns.
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He's got great hands and gives them a third target
because Pooka and Devonte Adams get dinged up. So that
their lemon would make their offense in a right tackle.
I mean literally, it was number one in the league
last year. It would be flawless. I do think what
was interesting, Jason, they gave up not only a first
this year, they gave up a third next year. So
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the Rams next year have a first round pick and
a second round pick, but they now don't have a
third or a fourth. And you know they're gonna be good, right,
You and I both though the Rams will be good.
So how do they go from the twenty eighth to
twenty ninth thirtieth pick to go get the future quarterback?
You can't because they Now That's why it's surprising McDuffie.
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I'm not surprised they gave up a first or a
fifth and a sixth. I'm surprised they gave up a
third next year because now they don't have a third
or a fourth next year and they've got just a second. Well,
you're gonna have to give up more than a second
to go from the twenty ninth thirtieth pick to number six. Yes,
so you'll have to move off players potentially, and they
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have the depth that could probably do it. But that
was interesting to me. Is that I get this year
going all in. But I thought they I thought honestly,
if they moved off Garoppolo, they would take picks and
they would just say put him in next year's class,
which is very attractive the team. So I don't think.
I don't think mcvay's retire.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Well, I mean, listen, if they go to the super
Bowl next year, that will be three super Bowl trips
for him in what like seven or eight years. Remember
the one with goth then they won one with Stafford,
and then they go to another one next year. That's
a pretty great run. And he's almost walked away. Remember
all this chatter, is he going to go to a
streaming service? Is he going to go to uh, you know,
do some studio work. There's been a lot of that.
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This guy runs hot, Colin, he's all in, and then
he's he was the closest stepping away. Come on, you
give me another super Bowl. I think he's out, and
I think Kingsbury would be a great fit there.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
But these people, people that work at lug nut factories
or long haul truckers, they retire because a beatdown football
coach making fifteen million dollars a year, loving what you
do in your kind of cognitive prime retire to what? Well, golf?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Step away, take some time off. So, by the way,
doesn't have a kid, submit with the wife?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Well, yeah, what time? You can only hang out so much?
I mean, honestly, what when you have an owner like
stan Kronk, a good GM, you have a stacked roster,
you walk away if you're coach of the Jets or
that I get, But then you don't have any success
or money.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
So what's the point? He mcdag will have both success
and a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
You know what, you only get half of it in
La so in e.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Complaining about the taxes. You can you could go outside
eleven months a year. Haven't you seen his spread? They
had the free they had the draft set up at
his house like a museum. It was so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Known by mcveigh's what are these guys retiring to? They
don't play bridge?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Hey, I gave you this two days ago and now
it comes out Colin. It's almost like one of us
is kind of plugged in on the rams. Anyways, let's
move on. Let's move on to the Dallas Cowboys. Jerry Jones.
Here's our obligatory weekly reference to the Cowboys. They've made
a lot of salary, cap restructuring moves, Dak Prescott, Ceedee Lamb,
Tyler Smith creating cap space. Obviously, Jerry Jones interested in
(26:24):
moving up. Well, here's Dak about the possibility of adding
adding veterans to the roster.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Heck, yeah, most definitely.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
Especially what was I said, no projects or what are
we need guys now to play?
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (26:36):
No red shirts or whatever. Yeah, I mean we got
a coach in the second year.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
We know what we've had.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
We had some ups and downs and shown some good
moments last year, and this is this is the year
that you make a big jump and getting big time
players who can help immediately as a key part of that.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
All right, Yes, the captures my set about. I'm going
to be looking up at the New York Giants anyways.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
A matter I will say, I'm liking this Giant's love
for you because as a Jets fan, I dislike the Giants.
So now I can just go back and forth, and
fortunately for me, there's a lot of AMMO for the Giants.
Things are not as copasetic as you seem to think
they are with mister Harball there. But we'll see by
the way you see the video of Jackson Dart. He's
flying with the with the unwashed masses and coach unlike you.
(27:22):
He's just flying around and meeting kids and kissing babies.
They love Jackson Dart, they love Harball. We'll see about
your Giants. Final story Colin another nfcast team, Philadelphia Eagles,
AJ Brown. We now have a report that indicates Philly
is chasing a quote Quinn Williams type deal for AJ Brown.
(27:42):
I will remind you what the Jets got for Quinn Williams.
They got a second round pick in this year's draft,
a first next year in what's expected to be a
great draft, and a defensive tackle in Mazzy Smith. I
don't know if he's a starter rotational guy, but a one,
A two and a player AJ Brown gets anything near that. No,
(28:04):
I would have said Noah two hours ago. And then
the Dj Moore deal.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I could say, a one and a player and he's
not going to be a Pro Bowl player. I'll give
you a one and like a number three corner. Absolutely,
I'm not giving you a one, a two and a
star defensive tackle. No, he's expensive and he can be.
There's a maintenance, maintain.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
That's a nice way to put it. But that's weird
because DJ Moore again, I don't want to diminish what
he's done. Like you said, he's always available, he's great,
He's not much of a locker room issue.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
AJ Brown is considerably higher on any list of best
receivers in the league than DJ Moore.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, there's not a top ten and that's not to
knock him.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
No, DJ Moore is excellent.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
He's very, very good.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I would say AJ Brown's a top five receiver. GJ
Moore is a one so, but I like DJ Moore
a lot. AJ Brown is different, but you get some
stuff with AJ Brown. That's okay. He's a very unique
body type. Corners don't very I mean, Christian Gonzalez could
line up with him because of his size and strength
the Patriots corner. Most corners just don't. They don't match
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up very well with AJ Brown's you know, size and
girth and length and power.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So DJ Moore is twenty eight turns twenty nine next month.
AJ Brown, who is one of the best one on
one receivers in the league. He's twenty eight turns twenty
nine in June so the ages are actually, you know,
a few months apart.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I'm starting to think aj Brown is not gonna get
moved color. I think the asking price is gonna.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Be du hie.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
How he drives a hard bargain and you know.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
What, Hey, clean it up.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Figure it out, Siriani, Get your quarterback in your wide
receiver to hang out. Get him to go to David
Busters and play some play some games and bond.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Okay, Well have you been to David Busters? Yeah? In fact,
I've been to David Busters in Philadelphia.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Thanks, I know it's right on the isn't it on
the Delaware?
Speaker 3 (29:58):
It's yeah, I believe, so listen, it's no Chuck E cheese.
By the way, where I had my birthday, went.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
To Davon Busters. I was covering a Tampa Bay Lightning
Flyers series. It was great, by the way, it was
a wild series. Philadelphia is a nutty hockey town and
I went to the Dave and Busters. I'd never been
to a David Busters. I thought it was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Was that what you took a girl on a dat
or you just went there to hang?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I just I was covering NHL hockey as a Hockey Insider,
and I went and I went for lunch and played.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Video games and I liked it, love it.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
There you go, J Mack with a new.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line new.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I know, J Mack, I told you when I moved
to LA the Dodgers weren't this good. The USC didn't
have Lincoln Riley, the Chargers were down in San Diego,
and Lakers dumpster fire. But they were a dumpster fire.
So I'm kind of good. I'm good luck for your
sports team. I moved to Chicago. Bears are out there
(30:56):
if they signed Max Crosby. I moved to Chicago, like
Bears are Like, I can't fix the Bulls. I got
season tickets. Forget it, but that Bears DJ Moore. Now
the Bears have a second second round pick.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
That is some.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Wheeling and dealing by Ryan Poles.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
He he has done some Well. Can you use your
superpowers to help the White Sox or are they also lost?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Cause not my responsibility. Okay, and I'm Blackhawks Cubs season tickets.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Hey, maybe I'll have to come out to Chicago. We'll
go to a Bears game together. September only I'm not
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Speaker 1 (33:07):
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Speaker 3 (33:09):
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Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yeah, spelled correctly too. That's a that's a good left
fielder's number left fielder. You don't have the arm for
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to do infield, I'm third.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
You cannot handle the hot corner way, no way.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
So you know it's funny. I'm on the interweb here.
Everybody is crushing Buffalo because they gave up a second
round pick to get DJ Moore. They got DJ Moore
in a fifth round pick. Okay, so to get a
number one receiver who, by the way, has worked with
(33:52):
Joe Brady before. Remember, you're not just getting a star receiver.
You're getting a star receiver with Josh Allen. Okay, if
Mitch Trubisky's my quarterback, I'm not giving up a second
round pick. But I know that DJ Moore is going
to be really productive because I got Josh Allen and
an offensive coach. So right now, the Buffalo Bills have
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a first round pick, a third of four, two fives,
two sevens. That's fine. Their needs are all defensively, so
I mean again, they've got tight ends, a running back,
a left tackle, a quarterback, a line's fine. Now they've
got a sideline receiver, a slot receiver, and an emerging
player in Keon Coleman who knows Joe Brady likes him.
(34:35):
So they're just getting clobbered. I am much more willing
to give up a good draft pick if it is
a pick that will work alongside one of my best players.
So right like when the Rams had Aaron Donald, you
knew that von Miller, though past his prime, would be
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successful because you have to double Aaron Donald. So I'll
give up something for von Miller, even if he's expensive
and past his prime. He ended up being on a
super Bowl team. Again, if I have a great quarterback,
Joe Burrow, or I have a Justin Herbert, or I
have a Josh Allen. I'm gonna give up more to
get a receiver or a player that is in his
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purview or in a complimentary player to his skills. So
DJ Moore can beat people deep Josh Allen as they
move into a stadium that was constructed to allow less
wind in the stadium. So it's reasonable to think that
Buffalo will late in the season have more options to
throw the ball down the field. Allen's a great deep
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ball thrower. DJ can go underneath, drag, seam or deep.
So if I get DJ Moore and a fifth round pick,
what do you think I'm I'm gonna give up? We
have a you know, I don't know. I thought a
straight swap it would be for a four. But if
I get DJ and a fifth, you know, I get it.
(36:03):
You'd probably prefer a third, but I don't know. They
still have a first and a third, and they just
got a star receiver. It's also not a great wide
receiver draft. There's a kid out of Arizona State, There's
Carnell Tate, There's Lemon out of USC It's not a
great wide receiver draft. So they're just getting clobbered. Everybody's
(36:24):
just they're just hating on the Buffalo Bills. And I
don't think it was. I mean, Ryan Poles, I'll tell
you what, he got a lot out of DJ Moore.
He Dj Moore and Ryan Poles. He you know, Ryan
Poles has has worked that player and then very well
for himself. You think Buffalo got smoked, Jason, I.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Did, yes, So I did a quick search on the internet.
I'm going through some data here. So the Buffalo pick
that goes to the Bears is pick number sixty, the
second round pick. Right, I'm looking through Pro Bowlers, All pros.
So I'll just rattle off some of the guys in
the last twenty five years who have gone in that
range fifty nine to sixty sixty one, right, Ryan Khalil,
(37:10):
first Team All Pro, great offensive lineman, Maurice Jones, Drew
who was one of the better running backs of his era,
Vince Jackson, Vincent Jackson, wide receiver, Eddie Lacy, pretty damn
good running back, Golden Tate, Alan Robinson, those are Tellis Bennett.
Those are all very good players. That's what I would say.
DJ Moore pretty much is so. But when you add
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Moore's contract and age, I think you lean toward the
cheaper second round pick. Agree or no?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
I mean DJ Moore's not thirty four. He's a highly
productive guy who I think remember Buffalo is desperate for
a sideline receiver. Yes, they need one. Well, the Rams
have a dun Day Luther Burden, they had DJ Moore,
they have two tight ends, they have two excellent running backs.
Caleb Williams is highly perduductive with his feet, so you
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can say, oh, DJ Moore only had blank yards. He
only had like six hundred sum yards for the Bears.
Is it reasonable to think he will be a bigger
portion of the offense for Buffalo the passing of Absolutely,
it's reasonable to think he's gonna be kind of the
missing piece. They've got a nice slot receiver, they got
nice tight ends, they don't have a downfield receiver. He's
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gonna get twelve targets a game.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
So again, it's I mean, were you could say we're
splitting hairs. They were desperate, right, they need a receiver.
I think this is a bad look for the key
On Coleman situation, when you got the owner blasting Coleman,
who they wiped on in the draft, and now you
get a receiver. Coleman feels like the odd man out,
but you got your outside guy in more, your slot
guy in Shaquiros.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
The Buffalo bill said, listen, we're not gonna wait for
Keon Coleman to grow up. If he does great, we're
not gonna wait for him to grow up. And you
know so, I think Buffalo did fine, and I think Chicago,
because of Drew Dolman's retirement, needed a second round pick. Yeah,
the Bears moving off DJ Moore. Not that his body
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language was bad, but I felt he got frustrated last
year at times because they were throwing to Colston Lovelin
and Luther Burden in big spots and they were running
the ball effectively. So it did feel like sometimes DJ
Moore was lost in his body language something he'd get frustrated.
But I just don't think he was that valuable. Roma Dunze,
Luther Burden are ascending players, inexpensive players, running backs. Room
(39:33):
is great, tight end room is excellent. I just I
just don't think he's as valuable. And what's valuable as
getting another second round pick to get the center.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Now you're on the ground floor there in Chicago. But
the Bears fans I have that are texting me are like, listen,
Luther Burden is going to be better than DJ Moore.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
We will forget about more pretty twitch to hold.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
I feel like a playoff game. Was it the Packers
or Rams? One of those games Colting just kept getting open.
Might have been the Niners game Latency, It was the
Niners game.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Colt Evan Loveland could be a pro bowler next year. Yes,
that that's going to be the center. The centerpiece of
their offense is going to be Colston Loveland and Caleb Williams.
That's a run game.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
The run game. Ben Johnson sets that up, and that
sets up everything, opens up everything. I will just say
the Bills are all in right now right They're.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Like the Rams.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
We got to maximize, Josh, we've got a small window.
We just fired our coach. The Bears are building something.
They got some runway here. Next four or five years,
Bears are going to be the elite team in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah. We had Rick Battino on yesterday and we had
Mark few on today. We've been talking some college basketball
as we get ready for March Madness. One of the
things I really appreciate. It's one thing if somebody successful.
A lot of people are successful. I'm always impressed by
people like Spielberg, you know, fifty years just putting out
(40:50):
incredible content. Brady's winning super Bowls in two and three decades.
But you know, I asked Rick Bettino when he came
on the show yesterday, I said, you know, well, Roy
Williams retired, coach k retired, Jay Williams left. You know
a lot of the coaches just you know, Dabo Sweeney
does not like the nil. The late Bobby Knight despised
(41:11):
one and done. And I asked, Patino, you've been doing
this fifty plus years. You got Kentucky thirty years ago
to a natty Louisville twenty. You know, years and years
later he got Louisville. Now he was coach of the year.
How are you able to just keep the energy up
going forward.
Speaker 11 (41:30):
I think I can adjust to just about anything, because
you have to adjust today. You see it all the time.
All the sports change. The coaches that don't want to
change get out. And I wasn't ready to get out
because they took two years off and my golf wasn't
very good. Some of the things going to the racetrack.
(41:51):
I was losing too much money, so I like to
keep the money in my pocket and coach basketball.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
And he's done great for Saint John's. They've got seven
different players, seven different foreign countries. And as Mark Few
talked about these international players, we're buying them. Our economy
is big enough. I mean, the Dow is down eleven
hundred today, but our economy is big enough that the
NIL is sort of jet fuel to the top basketball programs,
and now Saint John's is one of those programs. It
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also honestly helps that Syracuse has got into the tank,
so that gives Saint John's, you know, a little bit
of runway here to make up ground. But you know,
it was just funny to watch when Brady left, how
very successful Bill Belichick aged overnight. And it's just like
rigidity punctures. Even the smartest coaches gotta adapt, gotta be flexible.
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It is a Thursday. This interesting. So yesterday Aaron Rodgers
spoke for the first time McAfee show since like the
season ended, and I defended Aaron Rodgers all year. I
said a lot of people were punishing him like pff
because he wasn't rolling the ball down the field, and
I'm like, they have one receiver. So yesterday, he's still
(00:48):
unclear if he's coming back to Pittsburgh. But I will say,
if you had an NFL quarterback draft today with everybody
in the league and it was based on the next
three to four years, yeah, Aaron's not to If you
had a quarterback draft for next year, only Aaron Rodgers
would make my top ten. And you think that's crazy.
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But the Steelers were a broken, dysfunctional offense. They went
from twenty third in sacks to ninth. They went from
ten to giveaways to fourth. Red zone was almost dead
last in the league. To top eleven yards after the catch,
they were first. They averaged more yards per play than
Liam Cohen, Trevor Lawrence and the Jags, and they averaged
(01:30):
more points than the Philadelphia stacked Eagles. So to me,
I thought Aaron had a great year. It was a
completely broken ecosystem. Offensively, they didn't turn it over, they
didn't have penalties, they were good in the red zone,
they were good after the catch. That's Aaron. What else changed?
It was Aaron. So I think again, if you're talking
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one year, I think he's a top ten quarterback. Matt
Hasselbeck on Aaron potentially coming back.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I think he wants to play football, but with a
caveat only somewhere that plays in his offense, with his verbiage,
someone that age, I lived it. You don't want to
try to learn a new language. You don't you like
if it's if it's in Pittsburgh with Mike McCarthy or
someone that runs that same offense, yes, if it's not,
then no, he doesn't want to get in the huddle
and have to think about red left, swap tight flows
(02:24):
z right, sprit right, g U corner half back flat,
I on onet ready break like. He doesn't want to
do that. He doesn't want to wear a wristband. He
wants to own the offense.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And so it's got to be in that kind of
as system for him to come back.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
In my mind, yeah, I you know, for seventeen games,
I would take Aaron over all, but about eight guys
in the league, and most of those guys I would
take because they're a little younger and a little more athletic.
But go, look, go what the Steelers were, and just
by adding Aaron, look what they became, like a functional offense.
(02:56):
Now they have Mike McCarthy, So I have like an
adult offensive coach, Dak Cooper rush Aaron. I honestly think
with Baltimore right now in Cincinnati's ridiculousness, I'm not so
sure I wouldn't have Aaron in Pittsburgh winning the division
with McCarthy. I really, I mean, say what you want
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this head coach. They've already got the staff laid out.
You know, McCarthy has always been good at elevating. They
have to go get a number two wide receiver. But
I think he's coming back. And with that, here's breaking news.
Shalms just reported Jason Tatum, just ten months after surgery
(03:38):
for a ruptured achilles Jason Tatum will play. He's making
his debut is at tomorrow against the Dallas Mavericks, joining
US Live. Jason Temph, host of Hoops Tonight at the Volume,
had him on a couple of weeks ago. Got great feedback.
All right, So I always say this when it comes
(03:59):
to young athletes in their prime, they always heal faster.
They always show up three months before. Okay, So the
Knicks have been playing well. We worry about their defense.
The Pistons are good, but you know their half guard offense,
there's a ceiling on it. Tatum to the Celtics. Are
they the best team now in the East? Potentially?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
You know, there's this thing with culture. This season for
Boston has been a testament to their culture and just
how strong it is. But then what happens is you
run into really good basketball teams and culture can only
take you so far.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
You need to really get players right.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And last night the Celtics ran into a Charlotte Hornet's
team that is sixteen and three in their last nineteen.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Games fires each other team.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, conversation for another day, But that is
an incredible basketball team they're building out there in Charlotte.
But the Celtics got their butt kicks, and there were
a couple of specific reasons why, but one of the
big reasons why is that their centers really really struggled
to guard and pick and roll and they were just
getting absolutely fried by everybody from the Hornets. And the
big difference between last year's center rotation and this year's
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center rotation is one, you don't have Al Horford, a
guy who has more scheme versatility he can switch, but
two guess who guarded centers for the most part last
year Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum's ability to guard centers gave
the Celtics the ability to switch most ball screens and
it was one of the primary driving forces behind them
winning the title, most famously breaking that Dallas offense by
(05:25):
putting Tatum on centers and switching all of those ball screens.
And so again, it's all fun and games. This has
been a very impressive season for Boston, but they need
Jason Tatum. He unlocks their defensive versatility. Jalen Brown on offense.
He's had a very good season, but he's shown some
susceptibility to certain types of looks. He specifically struggled against
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deep drop, which is something that Charlotte did a bunch
to them last night. Jason Tatum gives you another guy
who can kind of alleviate that burden on Jalen Brown,
and specifically Jason Tatum is a much better passer, and
it's something that, as we talked about, it'll be a
little clunky at first implementing him into this offense, but
ultimately you will make them more versatile on both ends
of the floor and make them a much better team
(06:07):
against the best competition around the league.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
All Right, I watched every second of the Nicks hammering
the Spurs. They had every they missed a couple of
late three pointers. They could have beaten OKC last night.
So you know, and you know this, Jason. Regular seasons
different when you can play a team four or five
times in a row and hunt their defensive weakness. Maybe
the Knicks aren't built for that. Maybe, but I will
(06:29):
say we worried about Tibbs. Oh, here's Mike Brown. They're
bench scoring there. I mean, I said this here to day.
You could be a casual fan Brunson and kat and
Og and Josh Hart and Michale Bridges. They got a
nice rotation. I mean, do you buy this current streak.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
You know what's funny, I told you this last a
couple of weeks ago. I believe in this team more
than I do recent versions of the Knicks because they're
better at some specifics. Mike Brown in particular, one of
the biggest things he's emphasized is early dribble penetration. The
Knicks generate the second most spot up opportunities in the
entire NBA this season. Last year they were middle of
the pack. So spot ups in the half court, that's
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just a guy standing open on the perimeter. That's where
you get a lot of your best offense in the
half court. They are running better offense, they're playing better defense,
but my concern was the rest of the league had
gotten better. What's actually gotten me to buy into the Knicks,
Colin is their matchups against some of these better teams
in the league. They match up really well with the
San Antonio Spurs YEP, and the San Antonio Spurs match
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up really well with the Thunder and so It's really
easy for me to sit here and be like, Oh,
do I think the Knicks can beat the Thunder in
the series? No, I don't. I don't think Brunson can
go blow for blow with Shay. I don't think they
have close to the defensive versatility. There's all sorts of
issues that would go south for New York in that
type of matchup. But they can absolutely beat all these
teams in the East. There's not a team out there
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in the East that looks unbeatable or that can present
the types of challenges that Oklahoma City can present if
they can somehow get out of the conference. San Antonio
has had Oklahoma City's number all season, and san Antonio
to me like, there's a lot of things with them,
some numbers and some specifics with them that are causing
me to recalibrate how I view them compared to other
young teams. But if the Spurs come out of the
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West and the Knicks come out of the East, the
Knicks have had their number this year. Their bigger wings
have been able to guard san Antonio's guards. They've been
physical with Wemby, Brunson's outplay Deer and Fox. They look
really good in that matchup. And so as I was
looking at that Knicks game against the Spurs last week,
I was like, Man, if things break right, this Knicks
team absolutely could win the title this year.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
All right.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So everybody bangs on SGA and my take is he
doesn't have Lebron size and verticality. You know, he doesn't
have MJ's length. So you do what you do. It's
like most of the great route runners in NFL history
at receiver are not huge and are not burners. JSN
is a great route runner because he has to be
(08:55):
a great route runner. And I look at SGN, I'm like,
he's six six and a buck ninety four. He's got
to manipulate. I don't think the ref SHA's currying favor
with the refs. I think it's difficult. And I do
think he's thin and you can bump him off his
spot and they're gonna blow the whistle. Also, Jordan had
twelve free throws a game one year. Crickets Kd's done
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ten plus Crickets three times, Kobe ten plus. But their
games are way more fun to watch, so nobody complains.
Is part of this is that his game's no fun
to watch, So This.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Is complicated because I do think that the fougrifting thing
is a problem. Like, I'm sorry, but when we're watching
a big national TV game and Shaye like drives into
Kat and just throws up some BS shot that he
would never take unless he was trying to draw foul,
I do think that's a bad television product. I just
think that's a league wide issue and I can't really
get on Shay about it when Luca does the same
thing and Jalen Brunson does the same thing, and man,
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even Jokic has been flopping so much as of late. Like,
it's just a league wide problem. So I don't really
see the point in targeting Shay specifically because he's not
the only guy that's doing it now. The stuff about
him being a TV kind of like a draw for fans.
To me, it comes down to that exact concept you're
talking about. Footwork is fascinating to a football like to
a huge football fan, right or a guy who played,
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or something along those lines. For a guy like me,
a basketball nut job like I have an incredible appreciation
for Shay's footwork is like bizarre, slinky athleticism. His shot
making ability in the mid range like those are things
that I like, but for the masses, for the casual fans.
He doesn't get the crazy dunks like Lebron. He doesn't
go on these insane shooting displays like Steph Curry. His
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offense as a team isn't like the incredible passing fueled,
fluid team offense you see from like Jokic or the
insane physical feats of Wemby. So I think honestly with Shay,
he just struggles to resonate with the masses because most
of his appeal is to more of the refined basketball
side rather than the obvious basketball side.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Okay, So I have said this before, is that you know,
if one of these powers like Notre Dame or Georgia
or Texas, a player transfers out, it's mostly because Texas
or Notre Dame or Georgia don't hold him in high regard.
You're not taking the best Georgia football player from Georgia.
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If he's great, they're going to keep him in house.
And I feel the same way about guys that get traded.
Harden's a great player, right, been traded several times. Why
because eventually the truth comes out. Your game is your
game Anthony Davis. Now, let's be honest. After they win
the COVID title, shows up out of shape the next year.
The honeymoon was over the minute he showed up to
(11:36):
camp out of shape. To Lebron, who's obsessed with being
in shape. So I love Luca, but the truth was
he'd been hurting back to back years. I've always said
there's a Carmelo component here where he's not in great shape.
He doesn't really contribute defensively. Are you surprised, however, in
the last two weeks that it's the first time ever
there's been a lot of criticism with Luca. Some of
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it's roster construction. This is not it's too much duplication.
But have you been surprised by the criticism? No, I
think a lot of it is fair. You got to remember,
when we're talking about guys at this echelon of the league,
we're not comparing you to the seventh or eighth best
player in the league. We're comparing you to Nicole Jokich,
to Shake Gildas Alexander. We're talking about a special caliber
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of player here, and so you can get a little
bit more nitpicky. The main thing I've noticed with Luca
is that his floor is just a lot lower than
those guys. I firmly believe that when Luca's got his
step back three going, he's like the best player in
the world because he brings the crazy efficiency math problem
that Steph presents with like the size and position of Jokic,
but also with the mid range proficiency of Shay. He
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brings it all to the table and it shows in
the numbers because when he scores, they're super effective, but
when he fails to knock those shots down, he just
struggles to impact the game in other ways. Here a
couple of crazy Statsbury Collin. The Lakers are just four
and seven this year. When Luca scores twenty five or
few points, they are twenty seven and eleven. When he
scores over twenty five, they are nineteen and six. When
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he makes at least four threes, they're twelve and twelve
when he makes fewer than four threes. So so much
comes down to him knocking down that step back three.
And one of the things with Luca is it used
to be when he didn't have his jump shot going,
he could get to the rim and that would drive
all of these other parts of his game Colin his
ability gets to the rim is consistently.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Declining year over year.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Twenty twenty three with Dallas six point one rim attempts
per game, twenty twenty four with Dallas five, twenty twenty five,
four point four, twenty twenty six with the Lakers three
point five. So we have a consistent year over year
decline in his ability to get to the rim, and
so as a result of that, he's not able to
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bring another element to his game when his jump shots
not falling. He's not a very good defensive player. He's
hard to protect on defense too, Like teams have coverages
to protect guards that can't defend, but Luca's so slow
that they basically have to switch with him, which makes
him an easy target. And so really it's not so
much about what Luca's capable of, it's about what he
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looks like when things aren't going his way. With that
jump shot, is floor is lower, and it just makes
them more complicated to build around.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Are you surprised that Lebron and Luca on the floor
together don't work because Lebron generally works with everybody.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
So I think it's complicated. I think first of all,
they are starting to play better. The Big Three have
started to find some footing on offense over the course
of the last couple of weeks. I think the biggest
reason why it hasn't worked is Lebron is just having
a brutal jump shooting season. This is something I've learned
a lot from the NBA over the last few years.
If you want to partner multiple stars together, there needs
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to be a jump shooting element. Guys need to be
able to shoot because that's the only thing that allows
them to stay involved and to have utility when they
don't have the basketball. And what's so weird is Lebron
had been an awesome catch and shoot player the last
couple of years, in the mid forty percent from three
the previous two seasons. But Lebron's been having a bad
jump shooting season, so as a result, he hasn't had
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as much off ball utility. The Lebron groups that have
been best has been when he's by himself. They've been
some of the Lakers' best groups, or when he's by
himself because he's on the ball and he's primarily operating
in transition and the offense is flowing around him, and
so his catch and shoot jump shots not as important.
But ultimately with this team, you've got two guys in
Luca and Lebron in particular, that are not great catch
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and shoot players, and that makes them really difficult to
play alongside each other.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It's called Hoops Tonight. It's a podcast at the Volume
as always, Buddy, great seeing you, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Good to see you, Colin.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Jason Timp does a remarkable job at the Volume for
several years, love bringing him on the show. John Middlecoff
as well. Yeah, I mean Lebron's jump shot has always
been to me j Mack, it's always been hit and miss.
He has stretches and but the thing with Lebron in
his prime is when the jump shot wasn't landing, he
just beat guys off the dribble and score at the rim.
So that's why Lebron's always loved playing with like a
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guy like a Kevin Love or a Chris Bosh, a
big who can move outside and take the big with him.
So if Lebron's jumper's not hitting, he can drive and
score at the rim. I mean, Roy Hibbert gave him
trouble for years, you know in Miami when they would
play Indiana because Lebron doesn't want a he doesn't want
the bigs around the rim, so Bosh and Kevin love
Worth two of his favorite big Anthony Davis. By the way,
(16:20):
Lebron didn't want him hanging around the rim. He wanted
him out. The problem was ad didn't want to be
outside shooting threes. He liked to be closer to the
rim and score. And so yeah, I mean Lebron's jumpers
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Speaker 1 (18:20):
Boy, as you see this, the Dodgers are just bringing
their front office over to the Lakers. Michael Spettner has
now been chief Strategy and Growth officer for the Lakers.
He was with the Dodgers for years. They brought over
farhand Ziety Andrew Friedman in advisory roles. Then it was
Lon Rosen And this is what we've said. The Cowboys
need to do Lakers and the Cowboys new set of eyes. So,
(18:44):
I mean, what's amazing. I was talking with the guys
this morning this I'm amazed the Lakers have been as
successful because operationally, I don't think they've been well run.
They've hit on hail mary's. I mean, let's be honest,
they were not the best roster, but lebron chose them
because he wanted to do business in the biggest economy
in the country, LA and so it was a hail
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mary and it worked. And Anthony Davis could have gone
to better teams, but he went to the Lakers because
of the brand, and Luca was a miracle trade. So
the one thing that is very unique, like baseball has
a lot of big brands. So give you an example.
The Yankees are a huge brand. The Braves in the
South are a huge brand, the Dodgers, the San Francisco Giants,
the Red Sox. I mean, the Cubs were a huge
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brandy and they hadn't won a World Series in one
hundred and eight years. There is no equivalent in the NBA.
The Knicks and the Celtics are kind of big brands.
But the Celtics made the finals a couple of years ago,
didn't get numbers, it didn't rate. So the Lakers have
been able to succeed being operationally below average. They make
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a lot of mistakes. But the hail Mary to Lebron,
Magic Johnson stepped in sold him it worked. It was
a hail Mary. The last three years of Kobe, they
were awful. The next two years after Kobe they were awful.
It's remarkable. I mean, they've only got I was thinking
about this with Lebron, A D and Luca in their primes.
At least Lebron was old prime. The Lakers have gotten
(20:12):
one first round win one time since twenty twenty, and
they've done it because of brand. Baseball's got a lot
of big brands. The NBA doesn't. The Celtics last time
and they were in the finals didn't get a number.
The Lakers is the brand. And so I mean to me,
if you can add the operational excellence of the Dodgers
(20:35):
with the branding of the Lakers, I mean, I mean,
Rob Polinka even recently talked about what Dodger execs.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Ad when Mark bought the team.
Speaker 9 (20:48):
Genie and I did a really deep dive with him
on sort of the areas he wants to grow and
move into and get aggressive.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
And again looking at the.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
Dodgers and how they built it out, has it been
a great sort of ample and north Star And so
we're still going through that process of how we'll look
in the offseason and what editions will make. But there
will be some positive changes and we built will build
things out.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I mean, they're doing up with some smoking mirrors and
hail Mary's. But give them credit. I mean, that's that
when you have the brand J Mack with the news.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
No, no turn on the news. This is the headline news.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We probably don't do enough horn tooting on this show, Colin,
but I tried to sell you on Cliff Kingsbury's sliding
into McVeigh spot a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
You did well, wouldn't you know it.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Here's Daniel Jeremiah talking about the relationship between so McVeigh
obviously and Stafford have a great relationship. Yeah, Daniel Jeremiah
said something. Listen very closely here, mister Cowherd. Here we go.
Speaker 10 (21:52):
Stafford is the MVP of the league. But I don't
think this is a five year one runway they have there.
They're this close to winning a Super Bowl, and there's
everybody expects that whenever Stafford moves on, there's a decent
chance that Sean McVay moves off.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
So there, this.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Is their time right now.
Speaker 10 (22:07):
I can't wrap my brain around Sean McVay stamping that
and saying, yeah, let's get a quarterback for the future. Oh,
by the way, he's not going to be anywhere close
to his talented to Stafford, and I might not even
be here to coach him.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, you could cross Ty Simpson off your wish list
for the Rams. That's not happening. I love that insight
from mc daniemi.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Would you agree or no.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I think they're going to sign Stafford to a two
year deal and this year they're going for it. Trent
McDuffie move. They've got to get a tackle, they've got
to get a safety, preferably in another wide receiver. But
they don't have a lot of needs. That's why I
think they have one first round pick left. I think
mackay lemon at usc solves their punt woes punt returns.
(22:57):
He's got great hands and gives them a third target
because Pooka and Devonte Adams get dinged up. So that
their lemon would make their offense in a right tackle.
I mean literally, it was number one in the league
last year. It would be flawless. I do think what
was interesting, Jason, they gave up not only a first
this year, they gave up a third next year. So
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the Rams next year have a first round pick and
a second round pick, but they now don't have a
third or a fourth. And you know they're gonna be good, right,
You and I both though the Rams will be good.
So how do they go from the twenty eighth to
twenty ninth thirtieth pick to go get the future quarterback?
You can't because they Now That's why it's surprising McDuffie.
(23:42):
I'm not surprised they gave up a first or a
fifth and a sixth. I'm surprised they gave up a
third next year because now they don't have a third
or a fourth next year and they've got just a second. Well,
you're gonna have to give up more than a second
to go from the twenty ninth thirtieth pick to number six. Yes,
so you'll have to move off players potentially, and they
(24:03):
have the depth that could probably do it. But that
was interesting to me. Is that I get this year
going all in. But I thought they I thought honestly,
if they moved off Garoppolo, they would take picks and
they would just say put him in next year's class,
which is very attractive the team. So I don't think.
I don't think mcvay's retire.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Well, I mean, listen, if they go to the super
Bowl next year, that will be three super Bowl trips
for him in what like seven or eight years. Remember
the one with goth then they won one with Stafford,
and then they go to another one next year. That's
a pretty great run. And he's almost walked away. Remember
all this chatter, is he going to go to a
streaming service? Is he going to go to uh, you know,
do some studio work. There's been a lot of that.
(24:43):
This guy runs hot, Colin, he's all in, and then
he's he was the closest stepping away. Come on, you
give me another super Bowl. I think he's out, and
I think Kingsbury would be a great fit there.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
But these people, people that work at lug nut factories
or long haul truckers, they retire because a beatdown football
coach making fifteen million dollars a year, loving what you
do in your kind of cognitive prime retire to what? Well, golf?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Step away, take some time off. So, by the way,
doesn't have a kid, submit with the wife?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Well, yeah, what time? You can only hang out so much?
I mean, honestly, what when you have an owner like
stan Kronk, a good GM, you have a stacked roster,
you walk away if you're coach of the Jets or
that I get, But then you don't have any success
or money.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
So what's the point? He mcdag will have both success
and a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
You know what, you only get half of it in
La so in e.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Complaining about the taxes. You can you could go outside
eleven months a year. Haven't you seen his spread? They
had the free they had the draft set up at
his house like a museum. It was so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Known by mcveigh's what are these guys retiring to? They
don't play bridge?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Hey, I gave you this two days ago and now
it comes out Colin. It's almost like one of us
is kind of plugged in on the rams. Anyways, let's
move on. Let's move on to the Dallas Cowboys. Jerry Jones.
Here's our obligatory weekly reference to the Cowboys. They've made
a lot of salary, cap restructuring moves, Dak Prescott, Ceedee Lamb,
Tyler Smith creating cap space. Obviously, Jerry Jones interested in
(26:24):
moving up. Well, here's Dak about the possibility of adding
adding veterans to the roster.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Heck, yeah, most definitely.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
Especially what was I said, no projects or what are
we need guys now to play?
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (26:36):
No red shirts or whatever. Yeah, I mean we got
a coach in the second year.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
We know what we've had.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
We had some ups and downs and shown some good
moments last year, and this is this is the year
that you make a big jump and getting big time
players who can help immediately as a key part of that.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
All right, Yes, the captures my set about. I'm going
to be looking up at the New York Giants anyways.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
A matter I will say, I'm liking this Giant's love
for you because as a Jets fan, I dislike the Giants.
So now I can just go back and forth, and
fortunately for me, there's a lot of AMMO for the Giants.
Things are not as copasetic as you seem to think
they are with mister Harball there. But we'll see by
the way you see the video of Jackson Dart. He's
flying with the with the unwashed masses and coach unlike you.
(27:22):
He's just flying around and meeting kids and kissing babies.
They love Jackson Dart, they love Harball. We'll see about
your Giants. Final story Colin another nfcast team, Philadelphia Eagles,
AJ Brown. We now have a report that indicates Philly
is chasing a quote Quinn Williams type deal for AJ Brown.
(27:42):
I will remind you what the Jets got for Quinn Williams.
They got a second round pick in this year's draft,
a first next year in what's expected to be a
great draft, and a defensive tackle in Mazzy Smith. I
don't know if he's a starter rotational guy, but a one,
A two and a player AJ Brown gets anything near that. No,
(28:04):
I would have said Noah two hours ago. And then
the Dj Moore deal.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I could say, a one and a player and he's
not going to be a Pro Bowl player. I'll give
you a one and like a number three corner. Absolutely,
I'm not giving you a one, a two and a
star defensive tackle. No, he's expensive and he can be.
There's a maintenance, maintain.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
That's a nice way to put it. But that's weird
because DJ Moore again, I don't want to diminish what
he's done. Like you said, he's always available, he's great,
He's not much of a locker room issue.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
AJ Brown is considerably higher on any list of best
receivers in the league than DJ Moore.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, there's not a top ten and that's not to
knock him.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
No, DJ Moore is excellent.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
He's very, very good.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I would say AJ Brown's a top five receiver. GJ
Moore is a one so, but I like DJ Moore
a lot. AJ Brown is different, but you get some
stuff with AJ Brown. That's okay. He's a very unique
body type. Corners don't very I mean, Christian Gonzalez could
line up with him because of his size and strength
the Patriots corner. Most corners just don't. They don't match
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up very well with AJ Brown's you know, size and
girth and length and power.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So DJ Moore is twenty eight turns twenty nine next month.
AJ Brown, who is one of the best one on
one receivers in the league. He's twenty eight turns twenty
nine in June so the ages are actually, you know,
a few months apart.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I'm starting to think aj Brown is not gonna get
moved color. I think the asking price is gonna.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Be du hie.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
How he drives a hard bargain and you know.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
What, Hey, clean it up.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Figure it out, Siriani, Get your quarterback in your wide
receiver to hang out. Get him to go to David
Busters and play some play some games and bond.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Okay, Well have you been to David Busters? Yeah? In fact,
I've been to David Busters in Philadelphia.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Thanks, I know it's right on the isn't it on
the Delaware?
Speaker 3 (29:58):
It's yeah, I believe, so listen, it's no Chuck E cheese.
By the way, where I had my birthday, went.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
To Davon Busters. I was covering a Tampa Bay Lightning
Flyers series. It was great, by the way, it was
a wild series. Philadelphia is a nutty hockey town and
I went to the Dave and Busters. I'd never been
to a David Busters. I thought it was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Was that what you took a girl on a dat
or you just went there to hang?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I just I was covering NHL hockey as a Hockey Insider,
and I went and I went for lunch and played.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Video games and I liked it, love it.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
There you go, J Mack with a new.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
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herd line new.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I know, J Mack, I told you when I moved
to LA the Dodgers weren't this good. The USC didn't
have Lincoln Riley, the Chargers were down in San Diego,
and Lakers dumpster fire. But they were a dumpster fire.
So I'm kind of good. I'm good luck for your
sports team. I moved to Chicago. Bears are out there
(30:56):
if they signed Max Crosby. I moved to Chicago, like
Bears are Like, I can't fix the Bulls. I got
season tickets. Forget it, but that Bears DJ Moore. Now
the Bears have a second second round pick.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
That is some.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Wheeling and dealing by Ryan Poles.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
He he has done some Well. Can you use your
superpowers to help the White Sox or are they also lost?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Cause not my responsibility. Okay, and I'm Blackhawks Cubs season tickets.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Hey, maybe I'll have to come out to Chicago. We'll
go to a Bears game together. September only I'm not
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Speaker 1 (33:30):
So you know it's funny. I'm on the interweb here.
Everybody is crushing Buffalo because they gave up a second
round pick to get DJ Moore. They got DJ Moore
in a fifth round pick. Okay, so to get a
number one receiver who, by the way, has worked with
(33:52):
Joe Brady before. Remember, you're not just getting a star receiver.
You're getting a star receiver with Josh Allen. Okay, if
Mitch Trubisky's my quarterback, I'm not giving up a second
round pick. But I know that DJ Moore is going
to be really productive because I got Josh Allen and
an offensive coach. So right now, the Buffalo Bills have
(34:14):
a first round pick, a third of four, two fives,
two sevens. That's fine. Their needs are all defensively, so
I mean again, they've got tight ends, a running back,
a left tackle, a quarterback, a line's fine. Now they've
got a sideline receiver, a slot receiver, and an emerging
player in Keon Coleman who knows Joe Brady likes him.
(34:35):
So they're just getting clobbered. I am much more willing
to give up a good draft pick if it is
a pick that will work alongside one of my best players.
So right like when the Rams had Aaron Donald, you
knew that von Miller, though past his prime, would be
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successful because you have to double Aaron Donald. So I'll
give up something for von Miller, even if he's expensive
and past his prime. He ended up being on a
super Bowl team. Again, if I have a great quarterback,
Joe Burrow, or I have a Justin Herbert, or I
have a Josh Allen. I'm gonna give up more to
get a receiver or a player that is in his
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purview or in a complimentary player to his skills. So
DJ Moore can beat people deep Josh Allen as they
move into a stadium that was constructed to allow less
wind in the stadium. So it's reasonable to think that
Buffalo will late in the season have more options to
throw the ball down the field. Allen's a great deep
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ball thrower. DJ can go underneath, drag, seam or deep.
So if I get DJ Moore and a fifth round pick,
what do you think I'm I'm gonna give up? We
have a you know, I don't know. I thought a
straight swap it would be for a four. But if
I get DJ and a fifth, you know, I get it.
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You'd probably prefer a third, but I don't know. They
still have a first and a third, and they just
got a star receiver. It's also not a great wide
receiver draft. There's a kid out of Arizona State, There's
Carnell Tate, There's Lemon out of USC It's not a
great wide receiver draft. So they're just getting clobbered. Everybody's
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just they're just hating on the Buffalo Bills. And I
don't think it was. I mean, Ryan Poles, I'll tell
you what, he got a lot out of DJ Moore.
He Dj Moore and Ryan Poles. He you know, Ryan
Poles has has worked that player and then very well
for himself. You think Buffalo got smoked, Jason, I.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Did, yes, So I did a quick search on the internet.
I'm going through some data here. So the Buffalo pick
that goes to the Bears is pick number sixty, the
second round pick. Right, I'm looking through Pro Bowlers, All pros.
So I'll just rattle off some of the guys in
the last twenty five years who have gone in that
range fifty nine to sixty sixty one, right, Ryan Khalil,
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first Team All Pro, great offensive lineman, Maurice Jones, Drew
who was one of the better running backs of his era,
Vince Jackson, Vincent Jackson, wide receiver, Eddie Lacy, pretty damn
good running back, Golden Tate, Alan Robinson, those are Tellis Bennett.
Those are all very good players. That's what I would say.
DJ Moore pretty much is so. But when you add
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Moore's contract and age, I think you lean toward the
cheaper second round pick. Agree or no?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
I mean DJ Moore's not thirty four. He's a highly
productive guy who I think remember Buffalo is desperate for
a sideline receiver. Yes, they need one. Well, the Rams
have a dun Day Luther Burden, they had DJ Moore,
they have two tight ends, they have two excellent running backs.
Caleb Williams is highly perduductive with his feet, so you
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can say, oh, DJ Moore only had blank yards. He
only had like six hundred sum yards for the Bears.
Is it reasonable to think he will be a bigger
portion of the offense for Buffalo the passing of Absolutely,
it's reasonable to think he's gonna be kind of the
missing piece. They've got a nice slot receiver, they got
nice tight ends, they don't have a downfield receiver. He's
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gonna get twelve targets a game.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
So again, it's I mean, were you could say we're
splitting hairs. They were desperate, right, they need a receiver.
I think this is a bad look for the key
On Coleman situation, when you got the owner blasting Coleman,
who they wiped on in the draft, and now you
get a receiver. Coleman feels like the odd man out,
but you got your outside guy in more, your slot
guy in Shaquiros.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
The Buffalo bill said, listen, we're not gonna wait for
Keon Coleman to grow up. If he does great, we're
not gonna wait for him to grow up. And you
know so, I think Buffalo did fine, and I think Chicago,
because of Drew Dolman's retirement, needed a second round pick. Yeah,
the Bears moving off DJ Moore. Not that his body
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language was bad, but I felt he got frustrated last
year at times because they were throwing to Colston Lovelin
and Luther Burden in big spots and they were running
the ball effectively. So it did feel like sometimes DJ
Moore was lost in his body language something he'd get frustrated.
But I just don't think he was that valuable. Roma Dunze,
Luther Burden are ascending players, inexpensive players, running backs. Room
(39:33):
is great, tight end room is excellent. I just I
just don't think he's as valuable. And what's valuable as
getting another second round pick to get the center.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Now you're on the ground floor there in Chicago. But
the Bears fans I have that are texting me are like, listen,
Luther Burden is going to be better than DJ Moore.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
We will forget about more pretty twitch to hold.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
I feel like a playoff game. Was it the Packers
or Rams? One of those games Colting just kept getting open.
Might have been the Niners game Latency, It was the
Niners game.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Colt Evan Loveland could be a pro bowler next year. Yes,
that that's going to be the center. The centerpiece of
their offense is going to be Colston Loveland and Caleb Williams.
That's a run game.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
The run game. Ben Johnson sets that up, and that
sets up everything, opens up everything. I will just say
the Bills are all in right now right They're.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Like the Rams.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
We got to maximize, Josh, we've got a small window.
We just fired our coach. The Bears are building something.
They got some runway here. Next four or five years,
Bears are going to be the elite team in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah. We had Rick Battino on yesterday and we had
Mark few on today. We've been talking some college basketball
as we get ready for March Madness. One of the
things I really appreciate. It's one thing if somebody successful.
A lot of people are successful. I'm always impressed by
people like Spielberg, you know, fifty years just putting out
(40:50):
incredible content. Brady's winning super Bowls in two and three decades.
But you know, I asked Rick Bettino when he came
on the show yesterday, I said, you know, well, Roy
Williams retired, coach k retired, Jay Williams left. You know
a lot of the coaches just you know, Dabo Sweeney
does not like the nil. The late Bobby Knight despised
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one and done. And I asked, Patino, you've been doing
this fifty plus years. You got Kentucky thirty years ago
to a natty Louisville twenty. You know, years and years
later he got Louisville. Now he was coach of the year.
How are you able to just keep the energy up
going forward.
Speaker 11 (41:30):
I think I can adjust to just about anything, because
you have to adjust today. You see it all the time.
All the sports change. The coaches that don't want to
change get out. And I wasn't ready to get out
because they took two years off and my golf wasn't
very good. Some of the things going to the racetrack.
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I was losing too much money, so I like to
keep the money in my pocket and coach basketball.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
And he's done great for Saint John's. They've got seven
different players, seven different foreign countries. And as Mark Few
talked about these international players, we're buying them. Our economy
is big enough. I mean, the Dow is down eleven
hundred today, but our economy is big enough that the
NIL is sort of jet fuel to the top basketball programs,
and now Saint John's is one of those programs. It
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also honestly helps that Syracuse has got into the tank,
so that gives Saint John's, you know, a little bit
of runway here to make up ground. But you know,
it was just funny to watch when Brady left, how
very successful Bill Belichick aged overnight. And it's just like
rigidity punctures. Even the smartest coaches gotta adapt, gotta be flexible.
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