Where Colin was right and where he was wrong
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Where Colin was right, Where Colin was wrong, There's a
lot of both this week and.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Here we go where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I never bought into the KD is Everybody's as Lebron
narratives for years, and I think this series, it's what
I've always said about KD. He's Aaron Rodgers, it always
ends strangely, and their Hall of Fame talents, But the
gap between Katie and Lebron was never more not just
because Lebron was available. He's been a healthier player. But
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Lebron took basically C plus and B minus level players,
no Luca and little bits and pieces of Austin Reeves
and dominated the series and KD according to the net rating,
the Rockets were better without him. That is the gap
between the two. It's not just getting a bucket. How
do you squeeze talent out of your teammates. Nobody's ever
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been better in my opinion than Lebron James. Where Colin
was wrong, well, the Celtics the first team to have
three different starters not even score in a playoff game,
and they've only been tracking that since nineteen seventy, so
it was pretty bad. Listen, the reality is Tatum got hobbled,
and even before they couldn't stop nbad. They're so addicted,
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almost paralyzed by their formula to shoot threes. They shot
a hundred more threes than Philadelphia and fifty more than
any other playoff team. And like, I get analytics, but
when you trail by a point with three point fifty
to go and you're not getting baskets, you're jacking up
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bad threes and you go zero for seven, I didn't
see that coming. Where Colin was right, Sean McVay did
support the Tye Simpson pick after a couple of days
of digging and reporting. Yes, he knew and it interviewed
ty Simpson four hours previously. This idea that Sean McVay
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was left in the dark and was perturbed and angry
by the pick. Sean McVay is never left in the
dark with anything with the Los Angeles Rams, and because
they used their other first round pick to solve their
real issue, which isn't receiver, it was corner with Trent McDuffie.
They felt this draft was going to be about the future.
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I never bought into mcveigh's angry he had no idea
what was coming or strongly vehemently accepted it.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Where Colin was wrong, Well, the.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
New York Knicks, at least for the final two games
in the Hawks series, were great. I've said all year
there's too many deficient deficiencies on offense, a defense, excuse me,
not enough bench scoring.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
They're a good team.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I don't think the NBA has a great team right now,
although Oklahoma City has an argument. I think the league's
got good to very good teams and I consider the
next to be a good team. But you can attack
Brunson defensively, you can attack Cat defensively, but yet you
need Kat on the floor. But they won the final
three games against Atlanta by thirty two points. Mike Brown
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a great job coaching, pulling the right levers.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I've said this about Luca, this idea that Luca was
perfect once again not available. I know he's a great
offensive player, but he and Ad have a lot more
in common. And everybody picked apart Anthony Davis, and I
said Anthony Davis was the best defensive player in the
league pre Wimby. He wasn't totally committed to being in shape.
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And this is the Luca issue. I mean, I'm sorry,
but Lebron at forty one, has been healthier the last
two years than Luca.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I don't think it's a coincident.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Listen, MBD has never been my favorite, mostly because he's
never available, but he was unbelievable in this series. Best
player on the floor twenty eight nine rebounds, seven assists
in the four games in which he played. You know,
the durability issue user a real thing, but his comp
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was shack and you could see Boston. That's why they
have to go out and get like an Aaron Gordon.
They've got to have some athletic length, They've got to
have some answers, because right now Boston doesn't with Joe LMB.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Well, there's a story that Aaron Rodgers is interested in Arizona,
which I actually think with Nat Hackett there and those
offensive weapons is really interesting to me. But I've said
that with Aaron is that if you sign him, he
is going to gain some power off indifference. He does
not like what he perceives as rigid authority, and he
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is going to test you. So they came out with
that kind of quirky tender in Pittsburgh and Aaron's answered it.
You know, this story leaked because somebody who wanted it
leaked in the Aaron Rodgers camp. Now he's interested in
Arizona where Colin was right. When Micah Parsons got dealt,
I thought everybody over reacted. I said, rich deal makers
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like flexibility, and Jerry Jones didn't have any. Right now,
a year after the Micah Parsons trade, Dallas is going
to be deeper, more athletic, more flexible, better against the run,
and I like him, but the overreaction. This is not
the NBA. Very few players outside of a quarterback or
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a Saquon Barkley are worth more than a point. And
Mike is great, but he's not great against the run.
You can't drop him into coverage now he's coming off
an injury. Dallas today is deeper, more versatile, more flexible.
It was. I'm not saying it's a great trade, but
it wasn't the disaster that everybody claimed where Colin was raw.
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I love Malik Willis. I think he's going to be
a big winner. But he threw it a first pitch
at a Marlins game, and I am deeply concerned this
rival's fitty cent for the worst first pitch of all time.
I had the Dolphins at five wins. I am downgrading
them to none. This is troubling Malik Willis. Now, I've
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been told that Michael Jordan had an awful first pitch,
and so did Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I don't know what I'm watching.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I've done three of them, maybe four, and they didn't
look like that. The over under just plummeted in Vegas,
and with that, Matt Hasselbeck is joining us live. It
should be noted that I know you had more than
a few, and we went and looked up yours and
first of all, you look twelve. Here's the second thing
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to show you, now how old you are, Hasselback. Dan
Wilson's now the manager of the Mariners.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, and thank god Dan Wilson is six foot seven also.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Because that thing was high and.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Right, and he framed it for me, you know, down
down somewhere near six foot six. Listen, I can sympathize
with Malik a little bit. It's a it's a big
difference going from that football size to the baseball size.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
And you know it's during the OTAs.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I mean, I remember one year I was throwing out
a first pitch and my legs were quivering from four
sets of ten on the on the squat, you know,
how much can you squat like earlier in the day,
And I remember you go down underneath in the dugout
and you're kind of like warming up down there. You're
getting loose, but there is pressure, and you know, that's a.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Terrible, terrible outing for him. That's a that's a bad look.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
But as long as you can throw the football, that's
what people are going to care about.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
But this is something he's going to have to overcome.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
And this is like my biggest fear right here, realized
from somebody else.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
So I want to throw this out to you. Is that?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
So the Steelers kind of come up with his quirky tender,
which I'd never heard of, and it's kind of telling
Aaron speederr up pal, like, come on, we want to
get Then a week later, shocking story comes out. Aaron's
interested in Arizona, and I don't blame him at all.
This is called gamesmanship. But Jaymack and I were talking
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about this. I said, Okay, Aaron's a West Coast guy.
He's got Nat Hackett an offensive coach. Arizona's got Now
that they have Jeremiah Love with Algiers, I'm like, wait
time out, they have a real run game. I don't
think this is just gamesmanship. If I want to play
one more year in this league and Arizona's gonna pay me,
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what are they going to pay me more than I mean?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I think this is real. If I was Aaron my
place in Malibu, I can fly if I have a
bye week.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
This feels real to me. Does it feel real to you?
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
And I don't know if the order is the same
in my mind. You know, it might be like like
that just now it is when you're a veteran quarterback
and you've played for all these different coaches, you talk
to him, even if it's just socially, you know, and
Aaron Rodgers is like, you know, affection for Nathaniel Hackett.
It's it's well known, it's well documented. Like you just
I have those guys in my life. You just talk
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to them all the time, and it you know, you
talk about your team. Oh yeah, we're good, man, Like
we got a great wide receiver, you know, Marvin, he's
so great, and we got this tight end he's the
best I've ever seen. And you know, we're gonna get
this guy in the draft. This running back. You know,
we just needed you know, we just need Jakobe to play,
you know, at elite level, you know that kind of
thing like you kind of just like you dance around it.
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But I think this is more than anything for the Steelers.
They're just protecting themselves. And this is why I saw
do you before, Like I just think this was Aaron
Rodgers waiting to see how the draft played out. Do
I think he ends up in Pittsburgh Still, Yes, I do,
But but I do think that he doesn't mind toying
with everybody.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
The way that he does, especially in the media.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I will say this though, his teammates love him, like
his Pittsburgh Steelers teammates, they respect him, and for me,
that's the number one thing I was at the draft.
I was in Pittsburgh and just around a lot of
the current Steeler guys like that's their guy.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
They're fully, fully.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Count on him showing up in Pittsburgh and trying to
make a run at the Lombardi. So it would be
shocking to me if it did go the other way.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Okay, so I do a Herd hierarchy. After all the
coaching hires, after the free agency signings, and after the draft,
and in fact the day after the draft. I don't
count your entire draft. I say I'll take your top
two to three picks, because I can say your first
second round guys, and then I'll take your top free agents.
People think I have the Bills high. I do not
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have the Patriots in I still think they're depending on
young guys on the offensive line, and I think that's
a position that is very different. I mean, I love
Charles Cross for the Seahawks. It took him years as
a really good prospect to really get his feet under
him in Seattle at the left tackle. I think old
line's the hardest position outside of quarterback to play. So
I go Rams, Bills, Seahawks, Bears, Broncos, Lions, Chiefs, Texans, Eagles, Chargers,
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anything that just jumps out to.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
You, Well, the thing that jumps out to me is
what every single coach said to me at the start
of every single year. And I heard McDonald even say
it to his team this year. Last year is last year.
It makes no difference. We could have the same exact
guys in this room. It's a new year. It's what
Mike holmgwrian said to the Seattle Seahawks every year. It's
what Bill Walsh said to the forty nine ers. It's
what Bill Parcells said to the New York Giants. And
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so you just go back to last year. You got
teams like Kansas City, Detroit, Baltimore, Minnesota, Tampa Bay not
even in the playoffs. Like all of a sudden, Seattle
and New England teams that didn't even make the playoffs
are now in the Super Bowl. You got teams like Chicago, Jacksonville, Carolina.
So what you're doing here is really really difficult to
do to kind of forecast that because every year is different.
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And so that's why I think there are teams that
aren't on your list. I would say, like maybe the
Dallas Cowboys. I know what Schottenheimer is saying in Dallas.
He's saying, guys, like, we can do this. Look what
Seattle just did, Look what New England just did. Like,
we can do this. This is what our offense is.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
We're rolling.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Here's our plan. Here's what our plan is on defense.
You know, So there's teams just like that. I would
use the Cowboys as a good example. And I think
there's a lot of question marks here with your list,
Like what's Mahomes' situation, Like sometimes when you rush back
from certain injuries, you're actually putting yourself more at risk
like that, that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
I understand, the competitiveness, but.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
He's a big chess piece in this, in this thing
that you have going there.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So we were, you know, we were talking about c. J.
Stroud earlier, and I saw a story with some anonymous
quotes and and it's it's funny about how it works.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
C J.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Stroud.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Since he arrived, the old lines never healthy either are
their running backs. Last year, their top two receivers were
oute for the playoffs, and everybody said, boy, he really regressed.
And my take is, folks, he's got more playoff wins
than Dak, the same number as Lamar Herbert's never won
a playoff game. Trevor Lawrence is won one. And I
know everybody says, well, the defense is great. I don't
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care playoff games. You have to make big throws. Trent
del for won of Super Bowl, made one big throw.
You still have to make the big throw. How does
somebody who played in this game for twenty years, how
do you view his regression? I tend to say he
doesn't have anything to work with. If you took Pooka
and DeVante Adams out of a playoff game, Matt Stafford.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Wouldn't look good. How do you view Stroud?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Well, I'm a huge fan, let me say that. But
his game, his last game in the playoffs this year,
was so atrocious that these are the kinds of questions
that he's going to ask going to be asked about
or we're going to be asked about about him. And
his rookie year set the bar so high. His vision
was like otherworldly. As a rookie, he was incredible. His
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playmaking and the ability downfield was incredible. And then his
sophomore year, his second year, he just got.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Beat up so bad. I mean it was.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Almost like it was like a different look, like a
different guy out there. And I do think that affects
a quarterback, especially a young quarterback. Then you throw on
top of that, you know, he's got all these different
offen of coordinators year after year after year, and that
is a challenge, Like I'm just telling you, for a
veteran quarterback, that's a challenge. So if he gets to
a place where, like I'll use this as an example,
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sometimes you can get so off balance as a quarterback, like, hey,
great job on the deep shot, but don't take too
many sacks, but protect yourself, but hey.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Do this get a first down? Like it just it
gets to be too much.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
And so like one of the best things that I've heard,
like when I was in kind of this situation, was
the play caller saying to me, hey, listen, you worry
about getting completions, and I'll worry about us getting conversions,
meaning third down conversions, and.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Then you just get into that mindset.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
We're like, hey, I'm just getting completions, completions, completions, and
his talent is so great that the big plays will come.
But what I saw late in the year and at
times last year was a guy that was a little
off balance with what he was being asked to do
and how he was going to accomplish getting it done.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
So when you know we're going to start having camps
here and the young guys show up, and you know,
this almost goes back to Matt Stafford doesn't necessarily need
to be you know it, the same receiving group. Their
first pick was a quarterback. When you did you feel
it was necessary as a veteran quarterback, if you're not
changing coaches like a Stafford, do you think camp matters?
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Because you know the new CBA years ago, they've cut
down practices. Guys don't wear pads the end season practices.
To me, I always thought there was probably you probably
old school, probably practice more than you needed to. What
do you make over the next ten twelve weeks of
these practices these mandatory How did you feel as a veteran?
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yeah, it's camaraderie. That's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Sometime sometimes these elite players, they have their own strength
and conditioning coach and they prefer that person over the team.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Strength and conditioning coach. And so sometimes it's just that.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Like I feel like I've got personalized, detailed, all for
me kind of workouts going on, and for the team,
it's just like, hey, I got like eighty eight guys,
and hey, let's we got to get this done, and
like the ninety five minutes that the NFLPA gives us,
and so everyone's doing kind of a similar workout.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
So like some of it's that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
But no, I think when you're the franchise quarterback, maybe
it's not for you, but you being there is great
for everybody else. Maybe it's the number two quarterback and
the number three quarterback. Their job is to make their
cadence sound exactly like your cadence.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
So who's that going to help.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
That's gonna help the center, it's gonna help your tackles,
can help your tight ends. You know, all of a sudden,
you're like read eighty ready said like that rhythm is
the rhythm.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
But if you're not.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Around to like set the standard and set the rhythm,
how's your backup doing that? Especially if it's a young guy. So,
you know, I think the camaraderie is a big thing.
Those those lunch table kind of conversations with the coaches
who are trying to come up with like what are
we going to be.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Good at this year? Hey, guys, I really like this.
I don't like that. What do you think we it's
a good idea, but what if we did this with it?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
You know, all those kinds of things. I think there's
major value in your star player being there.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
Back.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Let's say you know that that first pitch, you're smiling
when you when you do it cause you're you're you
want you want to give the impression that I'm just
having fun.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I'm really at ease here. They're a little nervous.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Well, you know what I did too. You know what
I did too.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I was so sore, but I wore like a double
x untucked shirt because I didn't want my arm to
get caught. It's like you go to those charity events and
you're wearing like a sport coat and they say, hey,
autographic football and then throw it to someone in the ballroom, like, man,
I got a I got like a forty four slim
jacket on right now, Like I don't know if I
can throw a strike right now.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
It's tough. You got to think about the outfit too.
Sorry about the hat.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I apologize in advance or in retrospect about the backwards hat.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I know that probably bothers you.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
You know what, I'll get it. It's a one time thing.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
You know, I think it was every time. Sorry, good
seeing you, all right, see it?
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Come in away. Nicks favored over the Sixers. Gonna be
a great series. I think Minnesota, San Antonio is tighter
than everybody thinks. You know, it's it's you know, usually
the first round of the NBA playoffs are very chalk.
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But we don't have a lot of great teams right now.
We have good teams and when you get you know,
that's why, like in the NCAA tournament there this year,
there weren't a lot of upsets, and the reason being
there were three or four really exceptional teams, and you know,
in the NBA, you know, Oklahoma City is a handful,
but even San Antonio, as good as they are, it's
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all kids, so Minnesota's got massive experience advantage experience coach.
I think it's a really interesting, really compelling series. Here's
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
No, no, no, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Let's go back to Boston, Philadelsia Colin just a crazy series.
Celtics fall apart, no Jason Tatum Game seven, and then afterward,
Jalen Brown decided he wanted to go on his Twitch
account and tell all his buddies who the biggest flopper
in the league is? Colin? Should you really be doing this?
After the loss? Here's Jayalen Brown.
Speaker 8 (21:18):
Credit to the seventy six ers, credit to Joel and Bid.
I still think he flopped entirely, way too much. Some
of y'all don't even know what flopping is. In the chat,
like some of y'all clearly don't know basketball, y'all don't
know what flopping is. Flopping is exaggerating contact that's already there.
It's not about drawing contact or drawing fouls. Nobody has
a problem with drawing fouls. That's a part of the game.
Use your brains. That's the thing about this basketball era
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where y'all have turns your brains off and just look
at analytics have no idea what y'all talking about. Drawn
flowers is fine. I don't complain about nobody drawing fouls.
Flopping and exaggerating contact is different.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I love Jaalen Brown, but he exaggerates contact occasionally.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
The smart guys everybody does.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
SGA leads the league in exaggerating contact.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Now there is too much of it. I think it's obnoxious.
I don't think fans like it.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So I think.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
That's a tweak the NBA could make as a small tweak.
It's not you know, it's like the NFL tweaked the
pat or tweak it Catturle.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
I think that's a tweak.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
In the offseason, there's a especially if Oklahoma City wins
it again and flopping becomes a huge story in the
NBA playoffs or NBA Finals, or there's like one or
two big plays. But there's a ton of it. I mean,
it's obnoxious. And again, it can be officiated out. You
know it, and I know it. You can officiate stuff
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in or out.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
It's similar to Colin to these quarterbacks who exaggerate contact
and flop in the pocket and get Now, fifteen yard
penalties are more punitive than a couple free throws. So
this happens in all of sports. It's kind of annoying,
but it is what it is. And Joe, this sounds
like sour greats from Jalen Brown. I mean, you guys
got beat, and beat came back in the series and
he kicked your butt. I'm really curious. So Colin, the
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league kind of got what it's wanted, right. It doesn't
want dynasties, it doesn't want the twenty seventeen where it
doesn't want that. So now we're seeing Denver get bounced
in the first round, and all of a sudden, their
roster is like, we're the guys. Boston had to get
rid of all three of its centers to get under
the second. April's right, and now it's like Boston Derek White,
remember how good he was is the fourth time.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Now they'll probably move him to get Aaron Gordon.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Well, I don't know what the market's going to be
for Derek White when he looks so bad in the series.
I mean, it's I don't like what the NBA has
done you know, with the new salary cap structure and
the aprons.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Well, I think that I don't think tanking's the biggest problem.
I think it's an incredible draft and there's like nine
great players and shock shocking, nine teams are tanking.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I think it's very situational based on the best draft
in ten years, and that's why you're getting so much tanking.
So I think there's there's a couple of issues. Some
are small, the flopping. The other thing, I think the
NBA makes it really hard to trade. Yeah, there was
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always the matching salary component, but now with the new aprons,
it's really hard to trade. Well, if you're it's just
like anything else. If you know, if I limit certain
ways for you to to produce anything income, you know, well,
then you're That's when you get tax cheating. That's when
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you get under the table. You know. Dark economy is
when well this this this state is taxing me here
or it's harder to make money. So that's people. It's
like water, it finds its way and the NBA makes
it so difficult to trade.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
So easy to trade.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
In the NFL, I think you can trade draft picks
and so I think what's happening is the tanking's a
byproduct of that. So I almost feel like and they're
stuck with this CBA. I wish they could tweak it,
but it's terrible.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
I mean, Colin, Boston fans now are literally talking about, shoot,
do we build around Tatum or Brown going forward? Because,
like you said, they soak up so much of the cap.
So maybe just to move off Derek White and guys
like Baylor Shireman. Those are guys who are like your ninth, tenth,
eleventh guys. They're starting a playoff game like Boston is
totally devoid of talent, and I just I don't love
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that for the league and our next story. If we
should move to the Denver Nuggets, they're about there. They're
kind of up against it too, you know, Denver obviously
they've got major issues. They say the coach, David Adelman
is safe, but apparently they're taking calls on everybody except
for Nikole Jokich.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I love this, That's exactly what.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
The problem is. Jamal Murray is one of the guys now, Colin.
I know Jamal Murray didn't have a great series. His
shooting splits. Well, he's thirty five percent twenty six from three.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Denver needs to get more athletic and Jamal Murray's an
excellent scorer, he's not hyper athletic relative to the Western Conference,
He's not.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
He's a great scorer.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
He is a great robin to the batman with Jokich,
they play so many games together. But he's not athletic.
He's got some durability issues. And Aaron Gordon's got a
big market too, So I think both those guys this
is a great draft. The next couple of drafts, I
think Denver has to get younger and athletic. Now it
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was different, you know, with Yannis, I said I'd move
him out of town. But Yannis is built on athleticism,
and when his injuries start compiling, yeah, he's not going
to age as well. Yo Kitch is different. Yo Kitch's
game is on shooting, distribution, screening. He's going to age
much better. So to me, I would have moved Yannis
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three years ago and gotten a boatload of picks and players.
Yo Kitch, it's different. I would move everybody. Now you
could say, well, they just signed Jamal Murray to a
big contract. Jamal Murray's got a huge market.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I mean, good god.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
McCollum's gonna market Jamal Murray's gonna have a market.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
He's got two years, one hundred and eleven million dollars.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
He's an all star level. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
First of all, he made an All Star team in
the West, which what do you think he's going to
be in the East.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
So here's the real issue. So last year they had
to move off Michael Porter Junior, remember who was clearly
their number three guy offensively, because they couldn't afford it.
They don't want to pay this the second Aprin tax.
So they downshift to Cameron Johnson, who was a complete
waste with them. He was, you know, you're thinking, okay,
maybe we can get seventy five percent of MPJA didn't.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
It didn't.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
It was terrible. And so now Gordon's taking on more
of a load. He gets hurt. I don't know, man, Again,
this is the league. They're tinkering too much, Colin, like
the Nuggets hurt. They're done. Their run is over. Okay,
I don't want to remember that. A couple of years ago,
you were like, they got the best starting five.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
They're built, but they had to move off a bunch
of like fifth starters. That's what happened, is that all
the edges, all the margin players. You know, so I
listen Boston and Denver and the Lakers are really talented,
but all three of those teams feel like, especially Denver
and the Lakers, it's like, guys, you've got to get
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more athletic, You've got to get longer, quitch, more athletic,
and I just because you have a star in this league,
it depends on what you surround. They're struggling in La
surrounding Luca with great young defensive players. In Denver, they're
struggling with Jokic to surround him with more and offensive guys.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Now, I have remember removed Murray regular season for when
people want to go excited. Next year, the Nuggets went
like fifteen in a row down the stretch, remember, and.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
They were like the hottest.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Lakers went fifteen to two in March, best season, best
month in the season. None of that stuff matters. Final
story call, Let's go to the Buffalo Bills branded Bean.
He's taken a lot of flak in Buffalo from radio hosts,
from you me, everybody's piling on him, But he says,
no one's angrier than me talking about their lack of
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Super Bowls. He was talking to Tyler Dunn and then
of course he you know, wedged in there. Well, you know,
we did have a seventeen year drought without doing anything,
and then I showed up. So I listen, I don't
know about this bean guy.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I will tell you is that And I'm guilty of
this too. Sometimes, you know, we fill three hours a day.
Sometimes the easy stories we move toward him. It's it's
good content. People make noise. The Brandon Bean doesn't know
what he's doing is a little unfair. It's an offensive league.
And if I said to you, if you count quarterback,
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left tackle, running back, tight end group, and wide receiver talent,
Buffalo is near the top of the league. Now because
of Josh Allen's salary, there's limitations on you can't stack
both sides. Go ask the go ask the Chiefs. They
have no run game. You know they have defensive holes.
Why because they've a A Holmes.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
So but this.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Idea that Buffalo doesn't know what they're doing, sound ownership,
a lot of offensive weapons. They're a bad call away
from playing in the AFC Championship. A pretty dicey call.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
What was it against Denver?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, I mean I think we got to slow down
on you know, Brandon Bean doesn't know what he's doing. Well,
the Keon Coleman shocker a first, you know, a high
round wide receiver came in and wasn't really mature welcome
to the NFL Like that's like that that's an annual event.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Well, I think it feels like he's taken a victory
lap for falling ass backwards into josh Allen, who, by
the way, wasn't the number one overall pick and oh,
by the way, completely like fifty six percent of his
passes as a rookie. So it's not like Bean developed
Josh Allen. That was Brian Dable, who he ran out
of town in a power struggle.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So like this buffalo means Bean's job isn't to develop him,
it's to draft him.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Okay, And then you look at his other draft picks
and people have broken it down and they're like, holy cow,
this guy's whipping on almost everything. He's at best a
C drafter post Joshua.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Well, he's known Brandon Bean is known as very good
with the cap.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
That's his reputation.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
More than just like John Snyder is known as a
brilliant personnel guy, right Like, that's that's that's been I've
been saying this for five years. That's what he's known.
The guy Holmes in Detroit at homes. Yeah, Yeah, he's tremendous.
He's a great personnel guy. And everybody's got strange. Brandon's
known very good with the cap. There's things he's not
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terrible at it. I mean I thought the receiver they
got from Yukon, I thought that was a really clever pick.
And this was about a five round draft. I think
I think he's better than you know, Listen, a lot
of these front office guys, they got egos.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
They can be thin skinned, you know, etistical.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
To bring in a yes man in Brady to be again,
this is.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Your taking a shot.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
He brought in a Josh Allen loves him, right, so
he brings in Joe Brady moves him up in the organization.
They didn't want a drastic change it. I don't know
if it's the move I would have made. I think
it's a solid move.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
You say I'm taking a shot. I mean the guy's
dropping his gloves every draft, just waiting to get drilled
in the face.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Wait, don't be shocked if Skyler Bell who the receiver?
Speaker 3 (31:59):
The receiver? You go what?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Do not be don't be shocked. He's kind of you
look up about Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
You're like in a bad draft? What was he? A
fourth round mid pick?
Speaker 6 (32:10):
I found that way about Dalton Kincaid and now we
call him Dalton first aid on the show.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Was a first round he was? He was the best
tied end in the draft. This was a terrible draft.
If they can get a productive offensive player in the
fourth round, that is great, GMing because this was a
draft that was off at the top and worse at
the bottom.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Who's winning that division? Bills are Patriots?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Bill's okay, it's.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
The Patriots with that schedule and the trauma surrounding vreebwl Yeah,
Freandon Bean, just get out of town, bro. It's over
all right.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
J Mack with the news. Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the Herd Life.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I might have a fire hose of water to cool
down the takes from Jmack.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
The Buffalo's fine, They're fine.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
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Speaker 1 (33:20):
So I think it's a really interesting stat I think
it is a fascinating stat. So for years and years,
I've been on a couple of different rants, and one
of them is analytics, and the analytics crowd wants you
to think if you don't agree with it down the line,
you're unsophisticated. But my take has always been, well, what
are the circumstances? What why should I be? When the
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Celtics are down one with three p forty nine left
and they take seven threes and go oh for seven.
You watch the game. I watched the game. I'm like,
these are terrible shots. Get a basket. So I just
looked this up. Of the eleven teams in the NBA
shot the most threes, one remains Cleveland and they're not
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going to be around long.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
That's it Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
So I've said that about like in baseball, there are
certain things that make sense in a long regular season,
and the math does work out, but all the bad
teams are out of the playoffs. So now you're placing,
you're playing good teams, the best coaches, and the best teams.
You need baskets, not math. And so like Boston, they
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shot one hundred and more threes than Philadelphia, and Philadelphia
controlled the last several games and you didn't take much
to figure out is that Boston was kind of a
one trick pony. And it's the same in baseball. If
you look at Dave Roberts in Game seven of the
World Series, where those brilliant analytic moves, all of them
or one of them was like, yeah, it's an old guy.
(34:55):
I just kind of feel it and it worked and
they put like in the game. It's like, I just
kind of feel it. The math doesn't necessarily make sense.
My gut is telling me. And so that's my whole
take on all the three point revolution in basketball and
the Darryl Morris is that.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
If you go look like small ball with.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Another one oh small ball, look at who's left embiid
Kat and Mitchell, Robinson, Evan Mobley, uh Wemby, Chat Holmgren,
go Bear, Biggs and Giannis would be but Milwaukee three
years ago clung to old guys and got scared. But
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I mean it's a lot of big guys left in
the big I mean, Wemby's going to dominate the series,
and Homegren has incredible value, and Embiid was the best
guy on the floor. And Cat has the highest plus
minus of any player in the playoffs. Cat has the
highest plus minus. Lebron by the way, controlled the series.
Akers Houston didn't shoot threes. It was shooting very few threes.
(36:04):
So all this three ball revolution. It's great when you
have a volume, but it's almost like have you ever
traveled with your kids and they're like somewhere between like
three years old and eight. You just do what you
have to do to get through the five hour drive.
If it has given them like just unhealthy food and
(36:25):
it distracts them from screaming in the backseat of the car,
you just do what you gotta do. And that's kind
of the playoffs. I need a bucket, I need to stop.
I don't care about threes. I thought Boston looked ridiculous
shooting all those threes trailing by a point. I mean,
it was ridiculous looking. So a situation. And in the postseason,
a manager in baseball in the postseason, let's be honest,
(36:48):
you'll go to a starter on two days rest in
the eighth inning. If you want to win a series.
You're using starters out of the bullpen. You're not doing
that the rest of the year. So all this stuff.
Playoffs are very situational. It's kids on vacation. You do
what you gotta do to get them through the car ride.
(37:10):
And a lot of times in the basketball playoffs is hey,
this matchup works. We can't explain it. It didn't work
in the regular season. We're just gonna go with it. So, uh,
you know that's and that's I mean, if you watch
Philadelphia and the Knicks, that's gonna be a that is
(37:30):
all about math in the regular season. But watch what
happens in that series. It's all gonna be chess. It's
all gonna be matchups. Attack cat, get him in foul trouble,
get them off the floor. It's not gonna be about threes.
That series is gonna be about can you get Cat
into foul trouble and can edgecomb really slow down Brunson,
It's about guys, guard men, guarding men, situational basketball, key matchups,
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not about math so and their thing. I always think
about when when you're when you're dealing with professional athletes,
and these are these are rich often good looking, rich
alpha males. You can't reduce him to a number like
at some point Dave Roberts to the Dodgers is going
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to the mound and he's looking somebody in the eye
and he's like and then the and the and the
pitcher is selling it hard. I can get him out
over the course of a season. Do you not trust
your players? Do you not ingratiate trust among your veteran players?
Some of this as you're getting on a plane in
two hours, like so much of this stuff, like football
(38:38):
is different. You got you know, you got seventeen games Baseball,
NBA hockey, You're you are living with guys for seven
and a half months.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Baseball it is eight.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
You are living with players, You've got the relationships, the psychology,
getting trust. But I think it's interesting. Eleven best three
point shooting teams, the big attempt teams. One is left
Cleveland the Lakers. I mean, the Lakers went the opposite
in the playoffs. We're not gonna shoot any threes. We'll
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let Houston do that. And by the way, one of
the best three point shooters is Kevin Durant. Houston was
better when he didn't play even one of the best
three point shooters. He's one of the best. Get a
bucket guys. So, and I'm not anti analytics, but I
think the regular season, these volume sports, I think the
numbers work out in the I mean there's a certain
way I parent, But if I'm in the car five
(39:31):
hours with my kids, I parent differently. How do I
get them to Grandma's and they don't throw a fit?
That's all I care about. I am parenting different in
the car or on a plane that I am the
rest of the year. I don't mean I have you know,
if I had to sneak a bourbon, kids, this is
a high sea why don't you take a little sifter
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of this? Whatever I gotta do to get him through
the plane flight. So, j Mark, there's my analytic rant.
I don't hate it.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
I will point out Detroit could not shoot threes for
the first six games. They did not shoot above thirty
six percent. What happens in Game seven? They shoot forty
eight percent from three and win it a blow.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
But if you watch that game like I did, they
didn't win because the threes. They just shut Orlando down
in that series. That was what Ys Harris couldn't miss.
I mean, well, that's great, but if you watch the series,
the series was Orlando's offense. That's why they're firing their coach.
They couldn't score points. So even though Detroit had a
great three point shooting game, they're all about Caid Cunningham
and defense. I mean, their brand is we're gonna beat
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you up physically. We're in artistic, not pretty. I mean,
they have the Knicks problems, yep,
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go our two Nick sixers tonight. It's gonna
be a good one. I am developing a new logo
on the show today. I'll tell you what that is later.
Feel very strongly about a new logo. Not gonna give
away too much. Matt Hasselbeck in a couple of minutes, Well,
we do it every Monday, top of the second hour.
(00:49):
Where Colin was right, Where Colin was wrong, There's a
lot of both this week and.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Here we go where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I never bought into the KD is Everybody's as Lebron
narratives for years, and I think this series, it's what
I've always said about KD. He's Aaron Rodgers, it always
ends strangely, and their Hall of Fame talents, But the
gap between Katie and Lebron was never more not just
because Lebron was available. He's been a healthier player. But
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Lebron took basically C plus and B minus level players,
no Luca and little bits and pieces of Austin Reeves
and dominated the series and KD according to the net rating,
the Rockets were better without him. That is the gap
between the two. It's not just getting a bucket. How
do you squeeze talent out of your teammates. Nobody's ever
(01:41):
been better in my opinion than Lebron James. Where Colin
was wrong, well, the Celtics the first team to have
three different starters not even score in a playoff game,
and they've only been tracking that since nineteen seventy, so
it was pretty bad. Listen, the reality is Tatum got hobbled,
and even before they couldn't stop nbad. They're so addicted,
(02:05):
almost paralyzed by their formula to shoot threes. They shot
a hundred more threes than Philadelphia and fifty more than
any other playoff team. And like, I get analytics, but
when you trail by a point with three point fifty
to go and you're not getting baskets, you're jacking up
(02:27):
bad threes and you go zero for seven, I didn't
see that coming. Where Colin was right, Sean McVay did
support the Tye Simpson pick after a couple of days
of digging and reporting. Yes, he knew and it interviewed
ty Simpson four hours previously. This idea that Sean McVay
(02:48):
was left in the dark and was perturbed and angry
by the pick. Sean McVay is never left in the
dark with anything with the Los Angeles Rams, and because
they used their other first round pick to solve their
real issue, which isn't receiver, it was corner with Trent McDuffie.
They felt this draft was going to be about the future.
(03:12):
I never bought into mcveigh's angry he had no idea
what was coming or strongly vehemently accepted it.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Where Colin was wrong, Well, the.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
New York Knicks, at least for the final two games
in the Hawks series, were great. I've said all year
there's too many deficient deficiencies on offense, a defense, excuse me,
not enough bench scoring.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
They're a good team.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I don't think the NBA has a great team right now,
although Oklahoma City has an argument. I think the league's
got good to very good teams and I consider the
next to be a good team. But you can attack
Brunson defensively, you can attack Cat defensively, but yet you
need Kat on the floor. But they won the final
three games against Atlanta by thirty two points. Mike Brown
(04:01):
a great job coaching, pulling the right levers.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I've said this about Luca, this idea that Luca was
perfect once again not available. I know he's a great
offensive player, but he and Ad have a lot more
in common. And everybody picked apart Anthony Davis, and I
said Anthony Davis was the best defensive player in the
league pre Wimby. He wasn't totally committed to being in shape.
(04:29):
And this is the Luca issue. I mean, I'm sorry,
but Lebron at forty one, has been healthier the last
two years than Luca.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I don't think it's a coincident.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Listen, MBD has never been my favorite, mostly because he's
never available, but he was unbelievable in this series. Best
player on the floor twenty eight nine rebounds, seven assists
in the four games in which he played. You know,
the durability issue user a real thing, but his comp
(05:02):
was shack and you could see Boston. That's why they
have to go out and get like an Aaron Gordon.
They've got to have some athletic length, They've got to
have some answers, because right now Boston doesn't with Joe LMB.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Well, there's a story that Aaron Rodgers is interested in Arizona,
which I actually think with Nat Hackett there and those
offensive weapons is really interesting to me. But I've said
that with Aaron is that if you sign him, he
is going to gain some power off indifference. He does
not like what he perceives as rigid authority, and he
(05:39):
is going to test you. So they came out with
that kind of quirky tender in Pittsburgh and Aaron's answered it.
You know, this story leaked because somebody who wanted it
leaked in the Aaron Rodgers camp. Now he's interested in
Arizona where Colin was right. When Micah Parsons got dealt,
I thought everybody over reacted. I said, rich deal makers
(06:03):
like flexibility, and Jerry Jones didn't have any. Right now,
a year after the Micah Parsons trade, Dallas is going
to be deeper, more athletic, more flexible, better against the run,
and I like him, but the overreaction. This is not
the NBA. Very few players outside of a quarterback or
(06:23):
a Saquon Barkley are worth more than a point. And
Mike is great, but he's not great against the run.
You can't drop him into coverage now he's coming off
an injury. Dallas today is deeper, more versatile, more flexible.
It was. I'm not saying it's a great trade, but
it wasn't the disaster that everybody claimed where Colin was raw.
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I love Malik Willis. I think he's going to be
a big winner. But he threw it a first pitch
at a Marlins game, and I am deeply concerned this
rival's fitty cent for the worst first pitch of all time.
I had the Dolphins at five wins. I am downgrading
them to none. This is troubling Malik Willis. Now, I've
(07:08):
been told that Michael Jordan had an awful first pitch,
and so did Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I don't know what I'm watching.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I've done three of them, maybe four, and they didn't
look like that. The over under just plummeted in Vegas,
and with that, Matt Hasselbeck is joining us live. It
should be noted that I know you had more than
a few, and we went and looked up yours and
first of all, you look twelve. Here's the second thing
(07:39):
to show you, now how old you are, Hasselback. Dan
Wilson's now the manager of the Mariners.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, and thank god Dan Wilson is six foot seven also.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Because that thing was high and.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Right, and he framed it for me, you know, down
down somewhere near six foot six. Listen, I can sympathize
with Malik a little bit. It's a it's a big
difference going from that football size to the baseball size.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
And you know it's during the OTAs.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I mean, I remember one year I was throwing out
a first pitch and my legs were quivering from four
sets of ten on the on the squat, you know,
how much can you squat like earlier in the day,
And I remember you go down underneath in the dugout
and you're kind of like warming up down there. You're
getting loose, but there is pressure, and you know, that's a.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Terrible, terrible outing for him. That's a that's a bad look.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
But as long as you can throw the football, that's
what people are going to care about.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
But this is something he's going to have to overcome.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
And this is like my biggest fear right here, realized
from somebody else.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
So I want to throw this out to you. Is that?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
So the Steelers kind of come up with his quirky tender,
which I'd never heard of, and it's kind of telling
Aaron speederr up pal, like, come on, we want to
get Then a week later, shocking story comes out. Aaron's
interested in Arizona, and I don't blame him at all.
This is called gamesmanship. But Jaymack and I were talking
(09:06):
about this. I said, Okay, Aaron's a West Coast guy.
He's got Nat Hackett an offensive coach. Arizona's got Now
that they have Jeremiah Love with Algiers, I'm like, wait
time out, they have a real run game. I don't
think this is just gamesmanship. If I want to play
one more year in this league and Arizona's gonna pay me,
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what are they going to pay me more than I mean?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I think this is real. If I was Aaron my
place in Malibu, I can fly if I have a
bye week.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
This feels real to me. Does it feel real to you?
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
And I don't know if the order is the same
in my mind. You know, it might be like like
that just now it is when you're a veteran quarterback
and you've played for all these different coaches, you talk
to him, even if it's just socially, you know, and
Aaron Rodgers is like, you know, affection for Nathaniel Hackett.
It's it's well known, it's well documented. Like you just
I have those guys in my life. You just talk
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to them all the time, and it you know, you
talk about your team. Oh yeah, we're good, man, Like
we got a great wide receiver, you know, Marvin, he's
so great, and we got this tight end he's the
best I've ever seen. And you know, we're gonna get
this guy in the draft. This running back. You know,
we just needed you know, we just need Jakobe to play,
you know, at elite level, you know that kind of
thing like you kind of just like you dance around it.
(10:23):
But I think this is more than anything for the Steelers.
They're just protecting themselves. And this is why I saw
do you before, Like I just think this was Aaron
Rodgers waiting to see how the draft played out. Do
I think he ends up in Pittsburgh Still, Yes, I do,
But but I do think that he doesn't mind toying
with everybody.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
The way that he does, especially in the media.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I will say this though, his teammates love him, like
his Pittsburgh Steelers teammates, they respect him, and for me,
that's the number one thing I was at the draft.
I was in Pittsburgh and just around a lot of
the current Steeler guys like that's their guy.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
They're fully, fully.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Count on him showing up in Pittsburgh and trying to
make a run at the Lombardi. So it would be
shocking to me if it did go the other way.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Okay, so I do a Herd hierarchy. After all the
coaching hires, after the free agency signings, and after the draft,
and in fact the day after the draft. I don't
count your entire draft. I say I'll take your top
two to three picks, because I can say your first
second round guys, and then I'll take your top free agents.
People think I have the Bills high. I do not
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have the Patriots in I still think they're depending on
young guys on the offensive line, and I think that's
a position that is very different. I mean, I love
Charles Cross for the Seahawks. It took him years as
a really good prospect to really get his feet under
him in Seattle at the left tackle. I think old
line's the hardest position outside of quarterback to play. So
I go Rams, Bills, Seahawks, Bears, Broncos, Lions, Chiefs, Texans, Eagles, Chargers,
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anything that just jumps out to.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
You, Well, the thing that jumps out to me is
what every single coach said to me at the start
of every single year. And I heard McDonald even say
it to his team this year. Last year is last year.
It makes no difference. We could have the same exact
guys in this room. It's a new year. It's what
Mike holmgwrian said to the Seattle Seahawks every year. It's
what Bill Walsh said to the forty nine ers. It's
what Bill Parcells said to the New York Giants. And
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so you just go back to last year. You got
teams like Kansas City, Detroit, Baltimore, Minnesota, Tampa Bay not
even in the playoffs. Like all of a sudden, Seattle
and New England teams that didn't even make the playoffs
are now in the Super Bowl. You got teams like Chicago, Jacksonville, Carolina.
So what you're doing here is really really difficult to
do to kind of forecast that because every year is different.
(12:38):
And so that's why I think there are teams that
aren't on your list. I would say, like maybe the
Dallas Cowboys. I know what Schottenheimer is saying in Dallas.
He's saying, guys, like, we can do this. Look what
Seattle just did, Look what New England just did. Like,
we can do this. This is what our offense is.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
We're rolling.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Here's our plan. Here's what our plan is on defense.
You know, So there's teams just like that. I would
use the Cowboys as a good example. And I think
there's a lot of question marks here with your list,
Like what's Mahomes' situation, Like sometimes when you rush back
from certain injuries, you're actually putting yourself more at risk
like that, that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
I understand, the competitiveness, but.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
He's a big chess piece in this, in this thing
that you have going there.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So we were, you know, we were talking about c. J.
Stroud earlier, and I saw a story with some anonymous
quotes and and it's it's funny about how it works.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
C J.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Stroud.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Since he arrived, the old lines never healthy either are
their running backs. Last year, their top two receivers were
oute for the playoffs, and everybody said, boy, he really regressed.
And my take is, folks, he's got more playoff wins
than Dak, the same number as Lamar Herbert's never won
a playoff game. Trevor Lawrence is won one. And I
know everybody says, well, the defense is great. I don't
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care playoff games. You have to make big throws. Trent
del for won of Super Bowl, made one big throw.
You still have to make the big throw. How does
somebody who played in this game for twenty years, how
do you view his regression? I tend to say he
doesn't have anything to work with. If you took Pooka
and DeVante Adams out of a playoff game, Matt Stafford.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Wouldn't look good. How do you view Stroud?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Well, I'm a huge fan, let me say that. But
his game, his last game in the playoffs this year,
was so atrocious that these are the kinds of questions
that he's going to ask going to be asked about
or we're going to be asked about about him. And
his rookie year set the bar so high. His vision
was like otherworldly. As a rookie, he was incredible. His
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playmaking and the ability downfield was incredible. And then his
sophomore year, his second year, he just got.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Beat up so bad. I mean it was.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Almost like it was like a different look, like a
different guy out there. And I do think that affects
a quarterback, especially a young quarterback. Then you throw on
top of that, you know, he's got all these different
offen of coordinators year after year after year, and that
is a challenge, Like I'm just telling you, for a
veteran quarterback, that's a challenge. So if he gets to
a place where, like I'll use this as an example,
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sometimes you can get so off balance as a quarterback, like, hey,
great job on the deep shot, but don't take too
many sacks, but protect yourself, but hey.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Do this get a first down? Like it just it
gets to be too much.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
And so like one of the best things that I've heard,
like when I was in kind of this situation, was
the play caller saying to me, hey, listen, you worry
about getting completions, and I'll worry about us getting conversions,
meaning third down conversions, and.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Then you just get into that mindset.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
We're like, hey, I'm just getting completions, completions, completions, and
his talent is so great that the big plays will come.
But what I saw late in the year and at
times last year was a guy that was a little
off balance with what he was being asked to do
and how he was going to accomplish getting it done.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
So when you know we're going to start having camps
here and the young guys show up, and you know,
this almost goes back to Matt Stafford doesn't necessarily need
to be you know it, the same receiving group. Their
first pick was a quarterback. When you did you feel
it was necessary as a veteran quarterback, if you're not
changing coaches like a Stafford, do you think camp matters?
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Because you know the new CBA years ago, they've cut
down practices. Guys don't wear pads the end season practices.
To me, I always thought there was probably you probably
old school, probably practice more than you needed to. What
do you make over the next ten twelve weeks of
these practices these mandatory How did you feel as a veteran?
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yeah, it's camaraderie. That's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Sometime sometimes these elite players, they have their own strength
and conditioning coach and they prefer that person over the team.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Strength and conditioning coach. And so sometimes it's just that.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Like I feel like I've got personalized, detailed, all for
me kind of workouts going on, and for the team,
it's just like, hey, I got like eighty eight guys,
and hey, let's we got to get this done, and
like the ninety five minutes that the NFLPA gives us,
and so everyone's doing kind of a similar workout.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
So like some of it's that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
But no, I think when you're the franchise quarterback, maybe
it's not for you, but you being there is great
for everybody else. Maybe it's the number two quarterback and
the number three quarterback. Their job is to make their
cadence sound exactly like your cadence.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
So who's that going to help.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
That's gonna help the center, it's gonna help your tackles,
can help your tight ends. You know, all of a sudden,
you're like read eighty ready said like that rhythm is
the rhythm.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
But if you're not.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Around to like set the standard and set the rhythm,
how's your backup doing that? Especially if it's a young guy. So,
you know, I think the camaraderie is a big thing.
Those those lunch table kind of conversations with the coaches
who are trying to come up with like what are
we going to be.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Good at this year? Hey, guys, I really like this.
I don't like that. What do you think we it's
a good idea, but what if we did this with it?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
You know, all those kinds of things. I think there's
major value in your star player being there.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
Back.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Let's say you know that that first pitch, you're smiling
when you when you do it cause you're you're you
want you want to give the impression that I'm just
having fun.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I'm really at ease here. They're a little nervous.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Well, you know what I did too. You know what
I did too.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I was so sore, but I wore like a double
x untucked shirt because I didn't want my arm to
get caught. It's like you go to those charity events and
you're wearing like a sport coat and they say, hey,
autographic football and then throw it to someone in the ballroom, like, man,
I got a I got like a forty four slim
jacket on right now, Like I don't know if I
can throw a strike right now.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
It's tough. You got to think about the outfit too.
Sorry about the hat.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I apologize in advance or in retrospect about the backwards hat.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I know that probably bothers you.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
You know what, I'll get it. It's a one time thing.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
You know, I think it was every time. Sorry, good
seeing you, all right, see it?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, you know I'm gonna do Speaking of that, I've
got a I'm I'm unveiling a new logo. I'm not
gonna do it yet. I'm gonna this hour. I'm unveiling
a new logo. So when I put it on the show,
you'll just know the kind of mood I'm in. Like
you'll know something is it doesn't agree with me or
I want to make it sometimes, you know, better left unsaid,
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well better left logoed. Sometimes like just my logo will
speak for me. And that's coming up around the corner.
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Come in away. Nicks favored over the Sixers. Gonna be
a great series. I think Minnesota, San Antonio is tighter
than everybody thinks. You know, it's it's you know, usually
the first round of the NBA playoffs are very chalk.
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But we don't have a lot of great teams right now.
We have good teams and when you get you know,
that's why, like in the NCAA tournament there this year,
there weren't a lot of upsets, and the reason being
there were three or four really exceptional teams, and you know,
in the NBA, you know, Oklahoma City is a handful,
but even San Antonio, as good as they are, it's
(20:41):
all kids, so Minnesota's got massive experience advantage experience coach.
I think it's a really interesting, really compelling series. Here's
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
No, no, no, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Let's go back to Boston, Philadelsia Colin just a crazy series.
Celtics fall apart, no Jason Tatum Game seven, and then afterward,
Jalen Brown decided he wanted to go on his Twitch
account and tell all his buddies who the biggest flopper
in the league is? Colin? Should you really be doing this?
After the loss? Here's Jayalen Brown.
Speaker 8 (21:18):
Credit to the seventy six ers, credit to Joel and Bid.
I still think he flopped entirely, way too much. Some
of y'all don't even know what flopping is. In the chat,
like some of y'all clearly don't know basketball, y'all don't
know what flopping is. Flopping is exaggerating contact that's already there.
It's not about drawing contact or drawing fouls. Nobody has
a problem with drawing fouls. That's a part of the game.
Use your brains. That's the thing about this basketball era
(21:39):
where y'all have turns your brains off and just look
at analytics have no idea what y'all talking about. Drawn
flowers is fine. I don't complain about nobody drawing fouls.
Flopping and exaggerating contact is different.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I love Jaalen Brown, but he exaggerates contact occasionally.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
The smart guys everybody does.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
SGA leads the league in exaggerating contact.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Now there is too much of it. I think it's obnoxious.
I don't think fans like it.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So I think.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
That's a tweak the NBA could make as a small tweak.
It's not you know, it's like the NFL tweaked the
pat or tweak it Catturle.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
I think that's a tweak.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
In the offseason, there's a especially if Oklahoma City wins
it again and flopping becomes a huge story in the
NBA playoffs or NBA Finals, or there's like one or
two big plays. But there's a ton of it. I mean,
it's obnoxious. And again, it can be officiated out. You
know it, and I know it. You can officiate stuff
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in or out.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
It's similar to Colin to these quarterbacks who exaggerate contact
and flop in the pocket and get Now, fifteen yard
penalties are more punitive than a couple free throws. So
this happens in all of sports. It's kind of annoying,
but it is what it is. And Joe, this sounds
like sour greats from Jalen Brown. I mean, you guys
got beat, and beat came back in the series and
he kicked your butt. I'm really curious. So Colin, the
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league kind of got what it's wanted, right. It doesn't
want dynasties, it doesn't want the twenty seventeen where it
doesn't want that. So now we're seeing Denver get bounced
in the first round, and all of a sudden, their
roster is like, we're the guys. Boston had to get
rid of all three of its centers to get under
the second. April's right, and now it's like Boston Derek White,
remember how good he was is the fourth time.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Now they'll probably move him to get Aaron Gordon.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Well, I don't know what the market's going to be
for Derek White when he looks so bad in the series.
I mean, it's I don't like what the NBA has
done you know, with the new salary cap structure and
the aprons.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Well, I think that I don't think tanking's the biggest problem.
I think it's an incredible draft and there's like nine
great players and shock shocking, nine teams are tanking.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I think it's very situational based on the best draft
in ten years, and that's why you're getting so much tanking.
So I think there's there's a couple of issues. Some
are small, the flopping. The other thing, I think the
NBA makes it really hard to trade. Yeah, there was
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always the matching salary component, but now with the new aprons,
it's really hard to trade. Well, if you're it's just
like anything else. If you know, if I limit certain
ways for you to to produce anything income, you know, well,
then you're That's when you get tax cheating. That's when
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you get under the table. You know. Dark economy is
when well this this this state is taxing me here
or it's harder to make money. So that's people. It's
like water, it finds its way and the NBA makes
it so difficult to trade.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
So easy to trade.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
In the NFL, I think you can trade draft picks
and so I think what's happening is the tanking's a
byproduct of that. So I almost feel like and they're
stuck with this CBA. I wish they could tweak it,
but it's terrible.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
I mean, Colin, Boston fans now are literally talking about, shoot,
do we build around Tatum or Brown going forward? Because,
like you said, they soak up so much of the cap.
So maybe just to move off Derek White and guys
like Baylor Shireman. Those are guys who are like your ninth, tenth,
eleventh guys. They're starting a playoff game like Boston is
totally devoid of talent, and I just I don't love
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that for the league and our next story. If we
should move to the Denver Nuggets, they're about there. They're
kind of up against it too, you know, Denver obviously
they've got major issues. They say the coach, David Adelman
is safe, but apparently they're taking calls on everybody except
for Nikole Jokich.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I love this, That's exactly what.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
The problem is. Jamal Murray is one of the guys now, Colin.
I know Jamal Murray didn't have a great series. His
shooting splits. Well, he's thirty five percent twenty six from three.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Denver needs to get more athletic and Jamal Murray's an
excellent scorer, he's not hyper athletic relative to the Western Conference,
He's not.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
He's a great scorer.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
He is a great robin to the batman with Jokich,
they play so many games together. But he's not athletic.
He's got some durability issues. And Aaron Gordon's got a
big market too, So I think both those guys this
is a great draft. The next couple of drafts, I
think Denver has to get younger and athletic. Now it
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was different, you know, with Yannis, I said I'd move
him out of town. But Yannis is built on athleticism,
and when his injuries start compiling, yeah, he's not going
to age as well. Yo Kitch is different. Yo Kitch's
game is on shooting, distribution, screening. He's going to age
much better. So to me, I would have moved Yannis
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three years ago and gotten a boatload of picks and players.
Yo Kitch, it's different. I would move everybody. Now you
could say, well, they just signed Jamal Murray to a
big contract. Jamal Murray's got a huge market.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I mean, good god.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
McCollum's gonna market Jamal Murray's gonna have a market.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
He's got two years, one hundred and eleven million dollars.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
He's an all star level. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
First of all, he made an All Star team in
the West, which what do you think he's going to
be in the East.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
So here's the real issue. So last year they had
to move off Michael Porter Junior, remember who was clearly
their number three guy offensively, because they couldn't afford it.
They don't want to pay this the second Aprin tax.
So they downshift to Cameron Johnson, who was a complete
waste with them. He was, you know, you're thinking, okay,
maybe we can get seventy five percent of MPJA didn't.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
It didn't.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
It was terrible. And so now Gordon's taking on more
of a load. He gets hurt. I don't know, man, Again,
this is the league. They're tinkering too much, Colin, like
the Nuggets hurt. They're done. Their run is over. Okay,
I don't want to remember that. A couple of years ago,
you were like, they got the best starting five.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
They're built, but they had to move off a bunch
of like fifth starters. That's what happened, is that all
the edges, all the margin players. You know, so I
listen Boston and Denver and the Lakers are really talented,
but all three of those teams feel like, especially Denver
and the Lakers, it's like, guys, you've got to get
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more athletic, You've got to get longer, quitch, more athletic,
and I just because you have a star in this league,
it depends on what you surround. They're struggling in La
surrounding Luca with great young defensive players. In Denver, they're
struggling with Jokic to surround him with more and offensive guys.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Now, I have remember removed Murray regular season for when
people want to go excited. Next year, the Nuggets went
like fifteen in a row down the stretch, remember, and.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
They were like the hottest.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Lakers went fifteen to two in March, best season, best
month in the season. None of that stuff matters. Final
story call, Let's go to the Buffalo Bills branded Bean.
He's taken a lot of flak in Buffalo from radio hosts,
from you me, everybody's piling on him, But he says,
no one's angrier than me talking about their lack of
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Super Bowls. He was talking to Tyler Dunn and then
of course he you know, wedged in there. Well, you know,
we did have a seventeen year drought without doing anything,
and then I showed up. So I listen, I don't
know about this bean guy.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I will tell you is that And I'm guilty of
this too. Sometimes, you know, we fill three hours a day.
Sometimes the easy stories we move toward him. It's it's
good content. People make noise. The Brandon Bean doesn't know
what he's doing is a little unfair. It's an offensive league.
And if I said to you, if you count quarterback,
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left tackle, running back, tight end group, and wide receiver talent,
Buffalo is near the top of the league. Now because
of Josh Allen's salary, there's limitations on you can't stack
both sides. Go ask the go ask the Chiefs. They
have no run game. You know they have defensive holes.
Why because they've a A Holmes.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
So but this.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Idea that Buffalo doesn't know what they're doing, sound ownership,
a lot of offensive weapons. They're a bad call away
from playing in the AFC Championship. A pretty dicey call.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
What was it against Denver?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, I mean I think we got to slow down
on you know, Brandon Bean doesn't know what he's doing. Well,
the Keon Coleman shocker a first, you know, a high
round wide receiver came in and wasn't really mature welcome
to the NFL Like that's like that that's an annual event.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Well, I think it feels like he's taken a victory
lap for falling ass backwards into josh Allen, who, by
the way, wasn't the number one overall pick and oh,
by the way, completely like fifty six percent of his
passes as a rookie. So it's not like Bean developed
Josh Allen. That was Brian Dable, who he ran out
of town in a power struggle.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So like this buffalo means Bean's job isn't to develop him,
it's to draft him.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Okay, And then you look at his other draft picks
and people have broken it down and they're like, holy cow,
this guy's whipping on almost everything. He's at best a
C drafter post Joshua.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Well, he's known Brandon Bean is known as very good
with the cap.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
That's his reputation.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
More than just like John Snyder is known as a
brilliant personnel guy, right Like, that's that's that's been I've
been saying this for five years. That's what he's known.
The guy Holmes in Detroit at homes. Yeah, Yeah, he's tremendous.
He's a great personnel guy. And everybody's got strange. Brandon's
known very good with the cap. There's things he's not
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terrible at it. I mean I thought the receiver they
got from Yukon, I thought that was a really clever pick.
And this was about a five round draft. I think
I think he's better than you know, Listen, a lot
of these front office guys, they got egos.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
They can be thin skinned, you know, etistical.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
To bring in a yes man in Brady to be again,
this is.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Your taking a shot.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
He brought in a Josh Allen loves him, right, so
he brings in Joe Brady moves him up in the organization.
They didn't want a drastic change it. I don't know
if it's the move I would have made. I think
it's a solid move.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
You say I'm taking a shot. I mean the guy's
dropping his gloves every draft, just waiting to get drilled
in the face.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Wait, don't be shocked if Skyler Bell who the receiver?
Speaker 3 (31:59):
The receiver? You go what?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Do not be don't be shocked. He's kind of you
look up about Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
You're like in a bad draft? What was he? A
fourth round mid pick?
Speaker 6 (32:10):
I found that way about Dalton Kincaid and now we
call him Dalton first aid on the show.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Was a first round he was? He was the best
tied end in the draft. This was a terrible draft.
If they can get a productive offensive player in the
fourth round, that is great, GMing because this was a
draft that was off at the top and worse at
the bottom.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Who's winning that division? Bills are Patriots?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Bill's okay, it's.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
The Patriots with that schedule and the trauma surrounding vreebwl Yeah,
Freandon Bean, just get out of town, bro. It's over
all right.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
J Mack with the news. Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the Herd Life.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I might have a fire hose of water to cool
down the takes from Jmack.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
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Speaker 1 (33:20):
So I think it's a really interesting stat I think
it is a fascinating stat. So for years and years,
I've been on a couple of different rants, and one
of them is analytics, and the analytics crowd wants you
to think if you don't agree with it down the line,
you're unsophisticated. But my take has always been, well, what
are the circumstances? What why should I be? When the
(33:41):
Celtics are down one with three p forty nine left
and they take seven threes and go oh for seven.
You watch the game. I watched the game. I'm like,
these are terrible shots. Get a basket. So I just
looked this up. Of the eleven teams in the NBA
shot the most threes, one remains Cleveland and they're not
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going to be around long.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
That's it Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
So I've said that about like in baseball, there are
certain things that make sense in a long regular season,
and the math does work out, but all the bad
teams are out of the playoffs. So now you're placing,
you're playing good teams, the best coaches, and the best teams.
You need baskets, not math. And so like Boston, they
(34:35):
shot one hundred and more threes than Philadelphia, and Philadelphia
controlled the last several games and you didn't take much
to figure out is that Boston was kind of a
one trick pony. And it's the same in baseball. If
you look at Dave Roberts in Game seven of the
World Series, where those brilliant analytic moves, all of them
or one of them was like, yeah, it's an old guy.
(34:55):
I just kind of feel it and it worked and
they put like in the game. It's like, I just
kind of feel it. The math doesn't necessarily make sense.
My gut is telling me. And so that's my whole
take on all the three point revolution in basketball and
the Darryl Morris is that.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
If you go look like small ball with.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Another one oh small ball, look at who's left embiid
Kat and Mitchell, Robinson, Evan Mobley, uh Wemby, Chat Holmgren,
go Bear, Biggs and Giannis would be but Milwaukee three
years ago clung to old guys and got scared. But
(35:41):
I mean it's a lot of big guys left in
the big I mean, Wemby's going to dominate the series,
and Homegren has incredible value, and Embiid was the best
guy on the floor. And Cat has the highest plus
minus of any player in the playoffs. Cat has the
highest plus minus. Lebron by the way, controlled the series.
Akers Houston didn't shoot threes. It was shooting very few threes.
(36:04):
So all this three ball revolution. It's great when you
have a volume, but it's almost like have you ever
traveled with your kids and they're like somewhere between like
three years old and eight. You just do what you
have to do to get through the five hour drive.
If it has given them like just unhealthy food and
(36:25):
it distracts them from screaming in the backseat of the car,
you just do what you gotta do. And that's kind
of the playoffs. I need a bucket, I need to stop.
I don't care about threes. I thought Boston looked ridiculous
shooting all those threes trailing by a point. I mean,
it was ridiculous looking. So a situation. And in the postseason,
a manager in baseball in the postseason, let's be honest,
(36:48):
you'll go to a starter on two days rest in
the eighth inning. If you want to win a series.
You're using starters out of the bullpen. You're not doing
that the rest of the year. So all this stuff.
Playoffs are very situational. It's kids on vacation. You do
what you gotta do to get them through the car ride.
(37:10):
And a lot of times in the basketball playoffs is hey,
this matchup works. We can't explain it. It didn't work
in the regular season. We're just gonna go with it. So, uh,
you know that's and that's I mean, if you watch
Philadelphia and the Knicks, that's gonna be a that is
(37:30):
all about math in the regular season. But watch what
happens in that series. It's all gonna be chess. It's
all gonna be matchups. Attack cat, get him in foul trouble,
get them off the floor. It's not gonna be about threes.
That series is gonna be about can you get Cat
into foul trouble and can edgecomb really slow down Brunson,
It's about guys, guard men, guarding men, situational basketball, key matchups,
(37:55):
not about math so and their thing. I always think
about when when you're when you're dealing with professional athletes,
and these are these are rich often good looking, rich
alpha males. You can't reduce him to a number like
at some point Dave Roberts to the Dodgers is going
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to the mound and he's looking somebody in the eye
and he's like and then the and the and the
pitcher is selling it hard. I can get him out
over the course of a season. Do you not trust
your players? Do you not ingratiate trust among your veteran players?
Some of this as you're getting on a plane in
two hours, like so much of this stuff, like football
(38:38):
is different. You got you know, you got seventeen games Baseball,
NBA hockey, You're you are living with guys for seven
and a half months.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Baseball it is eight.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
You are living with players, You've got the relationships, the psychology,
getting trust. But I think it's interesting. Eleven best three
point shooting teams, the big attempt teams. One is left
Cleveland the Lakers. I mean, the Lakers went the opposite
in the playoffs. We're not gonna shoot any threes. We'll
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let Houston do that. And by the way, one of
the best three point shooters is Kevin Durant. Houston was
better when he didn't play even one of the best
three point shooters. He's one of the best. Get a
bucket guys. So, and I'm not anti analytics, but I
think the regular season, these volume sports, I think the
numbers work out in the I mean there's a certain
way I parent, But if I'm in the car five
(39:31):
hours with my kids, I parent differently. How do I
get them to Grandma's and they don't throw a fit?
That's all I care about. I am parenting different in
the car or on a plane that I am the
rest of the year. I don't mean I have you know,
if I had to sneak a bourbon, kids, this is
a high sea why don't you take a little sifter
(39:52):
of this? Whatever I gotta do to get him through
the plane flight. So, j Mark, there's my analytic rant.
I don't hate it.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
I will point out Detroit could not shoot threes for
the first six games. They did not shoot above thirty
six percent. What happens in Game seven? They shoot forty
eight percent from three and win it a blow.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
But if you watch that game like I did, they
didn't win because the threes. They just shut Orlando down
in that series. That was what Ys Harris couldn't miss.
I mean, well, that's great, but if you watch the series,
the series was Orlando's offense. That's why they're firing their coach.
They couldn't score points. So even though Detroit had a
great three point shooting game, they're all about Caid Cunningham
and defense. I mean, their brand is we're gonna beat
(40:32):
you up physically. We're in artistic, not pretty. I mean,
they have the Knicks problems, yep,
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