June 5, 2026 • 41 mins
Rachel Nichols joins The Herd to talk about the NBA Finals
Colin discusses the Chicago Bears possible move to Indiana
He talks to Indiana Governor Mike Braun on the Bears potential move to Hammond, IN
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Man, I moved to Chicago and the team goes to Indiana.
The Hell's going on live in Chicago. It's The Herd
wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. You know, it's funny.
I don't blame Indiana. They've got an aggressive governor. So
basically the mccaskeys and there's like eleven kids. They negotiated
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with JB. Pritzker, And it's interesting when you move to
a new state you learn about all the politics.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
So JB.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Pritzker's family's a Hyatt family. I think they're the third
of the fourth richest family in the country. So and
they've got in me power. You know, if you go
to the Hyatt downtown in eight hundred North Michigan, you've
got like a Pritzker you.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Know, plaque on the wall.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So I see that all the time, and you know,
they're very powerful. He's a very smart guy, the governor
of the state. Whether I agree or disagree with him,
and he's like, I'm not giving away billions of dollars
a taxpayer money to an NFL franchise. I don't blame him.
He's a very smart guy. He knows the state better
than I do. Listen, I love him to stay in
Chicago and be built in Arlington Heights. I mean literally,
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I feel like I.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Could walk there. It's a timinent drive.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So I'd love it him in Indiana's right over the
border and for a lot of I mean this happens
all the time. States compete against each other all the time.
I'm Indiana's being aggressive. Good for them. I'd love to
talk to their governor. Come on the show. I think
you know the mccaskey's are like, we tried, we negotiate it.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
We've got a better deal.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I mean, both New York teams play at MetLife. That's
in like the ISOD Center. Eh, that's not very nice.
That's not very I guarantee you the Hammond area, the
people on the South side of Chicago it's a fifty
minute drive from where I'm sitting right now. It's fifty
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three to Arlington Heights. Believe me, I take that drive
all the time. It takes a long time. So I
you know, states, Nevada competes against California. Nevada's got no
state tax. You see Florida doing this right now. Florida
now is that Miami is a tech hub. Miami has
exploded over the last five years.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Why no state tax.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
They went to those tech companies in California and say,
we'll cut you a better deal. People were willing to
move thirty five hundred miles from Silicon Valley to Miami.
And Silicon Valley is a beautiful place to live. So
the bears are, you know, Soldier Fields in South Chicago.
We're gonna move down to ham In Indiana's right across
the border. It's not that big of a deal, you know,
for me selfishly, Arlington Heights would be great.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
They don't care.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
So this is just what happened. This is what happened.
States have a right to compete for employees and companies.
Texas has been brilliant at this Floord has been brilliant.
If new York can't figure it out and wants to
demonize guys who make money like Ken Griffith. He'll pack
it up and go to Miami. Good for him, got
a rite to it now. I think New York's got
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a lot of really good employees. But you start demonizing
rich cat rich CAATs in California and New York, they'll
bail all right, Rachel Nickels, what am I so? Just CNBC?
What happened? Fox Business? You know it's America, you know, Okay?
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So Rachel, Game one, you were in San Antonio, Yes,
I felt, And it's always better when you're there. You've
got you know you're gonna be in games three and
four New York And that's a different.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Story, wild crowd, freezy.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
But I thought in the fourth and Dylan Harper threw
an air ball on a three, I'm like, they don't
have their legs. They just they are they were so
they were missing open threes badly. Yep, And that's not
an excuse. But I felt as a TV consumer, san
Antonio ran out of gas.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
You were there, you buy that or not.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I think it was a little bit of that.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
It was also some of the youth and decision making
come in. All of those things that you saw are
also symbols of Ah, it's the fourth quarter of the
Finals and they've caught up to us, and I'm just
going to take this early in the shot clock three,
which he shouldn't have taken, and then you don't get airballs,
you don't get those bad sort of misses, and then
transition the other way. There are a bunch of things
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that Wemby and the Spurs did collectively that felt to
me a little bit like that Game five in the
last series where they just kind of lost their heads
a little bit, and Wenby talked about it. I think
you guys ran the clip earlier in the show about
him saying, I don't have to do a lot different,
I just have to actually play the game I'm supposed
to play. And I think that is what was missing
from some of the Spurs play in the fourth quarter.
They're going to have to do some more different strategy
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type things that got to get Wemby the ball at
the elbow. We saw that in the last series, so
I'm not sure why we didn't see it as much
in this Game one. But a lot of it is
just being a little smarter about where and how you
play and doing the basic things you are supposed to do.
Victor webin Yama did not have an offensive rebound in
the first three quarters. Colin, that is simple. That is baby, right.
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I mean, that should be just like nothing. He's the
tallest guy maybe in the world, if not certainly on
the basketball court, and he should be able to be
grabbing those offensive rebounds for second chance points. If you
look at the final score, the Knicks outscored the Spurs
and second chance points twenty four to thirteen.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
That's nine points.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
The game, of course was ten points apart in the
final score, so those second chance points, if they just
do that, they could have had a different outcoming Game one.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It's interesting the Brunson we forget because Jalen Brunson was
so great in the fourth quarter. We forget that he
had two random injuries and limb off the floor. You know,
you just that stuff kind of disappears into the ether
because he was so heroic late. Is he a one
hundred percent for Game two? He's only had two days
to heal.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
You know what they say, Colin, it's the playoffs. No
one's one hundred percent. He's certainly got injuries that are manageable,
so I wouldn't expect to see any drop off from him.
I mean, the thing about Jalen which has been so
impressive and his leadership style is he's so consistent.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
He is just the rock for all of these teammates.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
And it's true, of course, in fourth quarters they know
they can depend on him, but it's also true on
a Tuesday in January. It's true when he gets a
little banged up and then you know is he going
to come back out or not. His strength is the
fact that he knows he will always be there and
his teammates know that too, and you saw a little
microbursts of that during the game.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So historically, the only team this young is the Portland
Trailblazers back in seventy seven. That was the Bill Walton
mohl Lucas. I think Lionel Hollins was on that team.
Dave towards It, Henry Steele, I'm challenging, I'm challenging, going.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
To get out for me in this nineteen seventies basketball.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Sorry, but young teams don't get this far. Yeah, And
I thought they were frenetic. I thought San Antonio looked
a little chaotic. Their coach is young, their players are young.
I mean, did that jump out to you? Even when
they were down thirteen? I thought the Knicks were intentional, yep.
I thought they were patient. They just missed shots because
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San Antonio is a good defensive team. Was it as
obvious when you were there that they did look scattered?
The Spurs look young?
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Yeah, exactly, And that's why I was saying, Like, to me,
it was less about exhaustion alone. I'm sure they were
worn out, and more about just this is youth, right,
This is what happens when you haven't been there. And
colinage extends to the coaching staff too. Miss Johnson is
a great coach. He was a finalist for Coach of
the Year. I believe he's going to have a great
future continued in this league. But Mike Brown has been
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just seven NBA finals. Is either an lead assistant or
a head coach. You know how to handle things better.
It's like the Super Bowl. I always used to tell
players in the law, who were you know, getting to
their first Super Bowl. I'd be like, just know that
anthem takes longer, the pregame setup takes longer.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
You are going to your rhythm in.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
The first you know, set of downs is going to
be so off because your normal way of doing business
throughout a game is going to be thrown. And we
see that at the beginning of Super Bowls with young players.
We see it with coaches who haven't been in an
NBA Finals situation. Dylan Harper did not get the minutes
he should have in the fourth quarter. That could have
changed the game right there. Calden Johnson not having a
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spectacular series so far, he only played eight minutes, but
this guy was the sixth Man of the Year and
he does those energy baskets that those kinds of players do.
We didn't see him that much of the game, certainly
not toward the end of it. These are coaching decisions,
and I expect that sort of youth and inexperience to
get taken care of as we go through this series too.
It's just, you know, the Knicks have now made it
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harder on The Spurs have to win four of the
next six, which is tough considering how many games are
at Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Years ago, when the Miami Heat the heatles, they were
actually a very flawed team. They didn't have size. I
mean literally, Joel Anthony was like six nine and a
half centered. They didn't have a true point. It's like Lebron,
Mario Chalmers, I think Norris Cole came in. It was
and Lebron and d Wade's games were athletic. Neither was
a great perimeter shooter. They went and got Ray Allen Battier,
Mike Miller. But it was a flawed team. But it
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was well coached and you but but you don't have
to be a perfect team. When I look at the
I always said the key to that team, beyond athletic ability, was.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
How smart they were.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Battier, Alan Haslam, Wade, Lebron, Bosh, I'm like, I mean,
the smartest team ever. This Knicks team got a lot
of Illanova guys, got a lot of smart guys, got
a lot of veteran players. When I watch them play,
there is no question they are a very mature team.
And when you countered that with the youth of San Antonio,
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that could be the difference in the final. You cover
the Knicks, you're in New York. What are they like
behind the scenes, locker room? You shoot around? What are
they like to interview to discuss because that stuff matters.
You go look at those Pistons teams, remember those bad
Boy teams. Absolute Look how many of those guys on
that team coached or GM That was a really heady team.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
What's the knicks like? What do they like to cover?
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yeah, there's no question that this is a smart team.
You get good answers when you ask smart questions of them.
But the comfort level is the thing that always sticks
out to me when I'm just hanging out in the
locker room. Maybe I'm waiting for a guy, but I'm
you know, chatting with some of the other guys.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
These guys have been playing you talk about the Villanova crew.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
These guys have been playing together for more than a decade,
right on and off, like they have a comfort level
with each other. I asked, you know, Josh Hart the
other day, I was like, what's your origin moment?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
What's your origin story?
Speaker 5 (10:50):
You know, the sort of superhero origin story with some
of your NOMA teammates. And you know, he starts, you know,
doing the Josh Hart thing. Oh, I bet Jalen Brunson
didn't like him at all. He was entitled, you know,
blue chip or CRUs son of a player pleads, And
you know, this was at an NBA Finals press conference,
and you normally don't hear that kind of talk, even
just joking around.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Certainly on the Heatles team.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
You said that if Chris Bosh or Dwayne Wade started
joking around about how much they didn't like Lebron, I
promise you it would not have gone well for team
chemistry in that locker room.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I covered that team.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
These are guys who just really love being around each other.
There's been a clip that surfaced on the internet this
week about when Jalen Brunson found out that Josh Hart
was coming to the team and he was just like
over the moon and just you know, kind of jumping
up and down, and it was sort of a personal
cell phone situation. These guys love being together, and it's
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true in the court, and it's true in the locker room,
and it is a lot of fun to be around.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
And you know, Colin, you've been around this for so long.
There are teams in many.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Sports where just feel like they've got that lightning in
the bottle magic quality, and this is one of them.
I don't know if they're putting it together with rubber bands, scissors,
and take.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I don't know whether they're and just you know.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Loving hugs is some people have joked with with the
next but it's working and you feel it every time
you're around the players.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, no, it is a lightning in the bottle era.
We said this an hour ago. That Warriors team that
beat Boston like they really shouldn't have won. I mean
they were flawed, they didn't have any size, they were
a little old, and they go to Boston and steal
the series in the momentum and you're like, oh, Boston's
not ready. Yeah, we're not in the dynasty era.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I think you put it.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
We're in a lightning in a bottle era. Can you
be situationally excellent?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Denver?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
For a year everything added up. Then the next year
they had to move off like a bench guy or
a KCP if I recall and it's like, oh, it's
not the same team, so fine, I want to.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Ask you this.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, we get a lot of we get a lot
of rumors, and most of them, you know, you've been
doing this long enough, especially you roll your eyes. The
lebron to the Warriors isn't crazy, Okay, It's a forty
five minute private jet home Curry, Draymond Kerr.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
He likes those guys absolutely flirted.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I mean he's he's been talking about Curry for six years.
I think there's And by the way, the Lakers new owners,
regardless of what they feel about Lebron, they have made.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Austin Reeves a priority. You have to right like Lebron.
Maybe his feelings are hurt. I get it, Lebron Warriors.
That's not kooky, right.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
It's not kooky. I'm still not sure it's the leader
in the clubhouse. On situations, they could only pay him
about fifteen million dollars using a not taxpayer exception. I
hate that we have to use all these words. The
NBA has made it too complicated. But that would be
a pretty huge pay cut for him. Maybe they could
do a sign and trade, but what with you know
that sort of thing. So that's one obstacle.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
The other obstacle when you talk about all of this
is Steph Curry still wants to win, and that's not
necessarily a win a championship move for the Warriors to make,
so they would have to just decide, we want to
go have fun. We all love hanging out together. Lebron's
super into golf.
Speaker 8 (13:56):
Now.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
The Warriors famously, you know, book their travel around Steph's
golf schedule. You know, let's all have a grand old
time and we can win some and you know, Jimmy
will get back out there and we can be the
expendables or whatever they are of the NBA. If they
decide to go to that route, you know what, maybe
that is a fun way for Lebron to finish playing
his basketball career, but I think there are some obstacles
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to get there. It's just, you know, it's going to
be how much money does he feel like he needs
to play?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
How far away does he want to be from his family?
And the irony with.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
This whole Warriors conversation, Colin, is that you know, I
was there for every minute of that twenty sixteen final
series and the rivalry that those teams had.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
They hated each other back then.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Do you remember the little sniping in the media from
the podium, the Halloween cookies? Jeff Curry's death was on
a tombstone at a Halloween party.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
So to see where we are now, Colin, our boys
have grown up.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
I'm just I'm so proud of them. But yeah, no,
I mean it's just it is a great lesson in
the NFL and the NHL and the NBA.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Long enough, wait, long enough and everyone's friends.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Rachel as always great seeing you, Thanks, see you. Yep,
she will be at Games three and four in New York.
Was at Game one.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
What a series. Yeah, I gotta tell you that.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Karl Anthony Towns, it's he's such an interesting cat. He
was great high schooler, great, like number one pick, unbelievable talent.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
For years.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
For years, I would go to NBA games, and I
don't know why this was. I always got like Karl
Anthony Towns against the Clippers or Lakers. Maybe those were
the inexpensive seats When Andrew Wiggins was young and Carl
I saw Carl Anthony Towns play four or five times
live he was and it was weird. He would be
so dominant in the first half of games and then
he would get into foul trouble.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
But I mean, he was unstoppable.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Every time I watched him play for Spurts, he'd have
a twelve minute where he'd knock up eighteen points.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Could not stop him.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So it's great to see you, know you play Taj
Gibson on the show yesterday. You play long enough, good
things happen. I want to get the Governor of Indiana
on I wonder if he can. Can we work the phones?
I mean it it's you know, people are gonna freak out,
but it's right over the ball.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I've never been to Hammond, Indiana. I know this.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
A lot of people from Chicago take the train to
South Bend, Indiana watch Notre Dame football.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
And that's a lot fur than Hammond.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I mean, Notre Dame's right around the I mean, if
you are a USC fan or any fan of college football,
you fly into Chicago, you take the train to South Bend.
It's no big deal. Man, What is the train ride
an hour? Who cares? Have a glass of vino and
enjoy the ride.
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Speaker 1 (17:14):
So Indiana could be the home of the Colts and
the Bears. They would still be called the Chicago Bears,
but they're right over the border. And you know this
is when you live in California. You know, Texas is
poaching the California economy. And listen, California just produces billionaires
Silicon Valley when SpaceX goes public here, whenever it goes
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public here in the next month, Manhattan Beach, just one town's.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Getting three new billionaires.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So with the IPO, so you know, California creates a
lot of billionaires. They lose some to Texas and Florida.
States compete against each other. I'm just told Mike Brawn,
the governor of Indiana, will join me in fifteen minutes,
so I'm interested. I I mean, he went to Harvard
Business School, so I better go to his Wikipedia page
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and get the pencils all sharpened here. But listen, it's
this is the reality of it in these big cities.
You know, the Rams were in Saint Louis, and thank
god stan Kronky bought a massive piece of land.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
But that was a struggle.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
When you get to New York, in Chicago and Los Angeles,
if you don't have one of the richer owners, it
is hard to find a place to build stadiums. In
New York, they build it over in the Jersey. In Chicago,
they're leaving the state. In Los Angeles they've done a
great job with so far, but most owners, the Spanos
family could not have afforded that. The Kronk or the
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Marrow family could not have afforded that Stan Kronkie could.
I mean, go back to Robert Craft and the Patriots.
They threatened to move to Connecticut. So this is the
history of the NFL. We used to have the Raiders.
They were in California. Now they're in Nevada. That's the way.
You know, Saint Louis, all right, you have the Blues
and the Cardinals. We're moving to Los Angeles. So Mike Brown,
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governor Indiana, stops by. They're going to be called the
Chicago Bears. Those still don't don't freak out Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
No, no, this is the Herdline News.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
Just looking on a map at Hammon, Indiana. Yeah, have
you seen the Google images? It looks like the town
from Back to the Future. It's so it's like small
town holds. I'm outside of them. You got a governor
coming on the show.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
For the record, most great college basketball programs are in
small towns, and they put one hundred thousand people in stadium.
Is ann Arbor, Big is Norman, Oklahoma, Big Hamm in Indiana,
I have seventy five thousand people. These small towns have
more parking. These small towns have more space to build
retail outlets and restaurant The hardest part in these big
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cities is now there. There was a former racetrack in
Arlington Heights. I do I want to board people. So
there was a nice spot in Arlington Heights. But it's
just more expensive. You're not getting tax break. I don't
blame the governor of Illinois saying I'm not taking billions
of dollars from taxpayers and funneling to an NFL stadium.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I get it.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
I'm a little out of my domain here with the
politics and the region, but that probably is not a
good look for the governor JB.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Isn't he trying to be president one day? Not great?
All right, let's go to Colin. Let's go to the
NBA in Austin Reeves.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
Interesting story leaked out yesterday from a credible reporter, Brad Turner,
who's been out here in LA forever, very credible, says
that Austin Reeves, he's hearing he wants a max deal
from the Lakers, sure.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
And his intent is to stay in Los Angeles. He
doesn't want to go anywhere.
Speaker 9 (20:38):
Imagine that Colin Austin Reeves wants to stay in LA
and he wants all the money.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
He wants his cake, and he wants to eat it too.
Speaker 9 (20:45):
Well, I'm here to tell you, like I respect Brad's reporting, obviously, I.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Just don't see this happening. And there's no.
Speaker 9 (20:50):
Scenario where you pay Austin Reeves a max deal well
and are still able to build a contender in the West. Well,
you're right, but he does have a market yeah, oh yeah,
you're apparently are part of his marketing.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, twenty points A game hard worker. He's got a
market and this is the situation you put yourself in.
If Austin Reeves leaves and you re sign Lebron, Luke
and Lebron, what is the message you're sending to the Lakers?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
You're not close?
Speaker 9 (21:17):
Well, you know, one would assume all this Dodgers new ownership.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Folks that are with the Lakers now, they have a
plan B.
Speaker 9 (21:23):
They're not gonna be caught flat footed by Austin Reeves
taking the bag from the Chicago Bulls and going to
win thirty seven games in the East. They're gonna be
ready for that. I would assume they have a plan B,
in C and D right there. There's no way they're
gonna be like, oh my gosh, Austin left, were screwed.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
You better have something for Luca, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I mean it's I don't think it's crazy to let
Lebron walk.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Austin Reeves go.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
You've got your star coach and your star player, and
you build the kind of roster Luca needs, which is
rim protection, multiple three and D guys who are elite defense.
I mean, let's not kid ourselves here. You're a mile
away and San Antonio is getting better next year, Oklahoma
City probably gonna be better. Houston's gonna be better, Minnesota's
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going to be better, although I don't know if they're growing,
but they'll be better. Denver's not going anywhere. You're kidding yourself. Lebron,
Austin and Luca none of them are elite defenders.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I mean, did you see the quality of.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Defense in the game one of the NBA Finals, The
intensity and the defense. Lakers don't have a single elite
defensive wing.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
So I'm looking at ross Her, I'm looking at Basketball Reference.
Lebron's at fifty two this year. Austin Revez is at thirteen.
If you have those two removed, you've got sixty five
million in cap space to go get Giannis and I
don't know two other guys.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Forget Lana's just get three three and d guys. What
you get Watson, Tari Eid. There's just not a lot
of great stuff out there, Colin. That's one of the
issues I'd rather move.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You know, my pay huge money infrequently in sports. Okay,
Luca's not Lebron in his prime. He gets hurt, he's
not in great shape, he's allows he defender, So this
is not like Lebron in his prime, where you could
put her anything but Matthew Della Vedova and j R.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Smith around him. That's not all we have here.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
This is not Kareem or Magic in his prime or
Bird in his prime. You have got to build around
Luca a certain way.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
All right.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
Well, speaking of money, how about let's go to the NFL.
I did not know this was a thing. But Baker
Mayfield is now chirping he wants an extension, and they're
not anywhere close. Colin had thirty three million. He ranked
sixteenth a monk highest paid quarterbacks in the league. From
my point of view, that's about where he ranks. But
Baker spoke this morning about a new contract and this
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does not sound good Tampa fans.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Contract stuff.
Speaker 10 (23:57):
Is this happenings starting it talks and whatnot, but not
anywhere close to what they all we were thinking. So
I would love to be here long term, and as
of right now that that's not exactly the case. Obviously, yes,
I would love to have a long term deal done,
but they know my deadline is training camp starts. We're
not doing any contrary stuff. It's soldball, So it's sun
(24:21):
up to me when that gets done by, but so
hopefully before.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
That, can we get him on the show today too,
We'll get the governor of Indiana Baker.
Speaker 9 (24:30):
Well, yeah, I'm willing to bump headlines for Baker Mayfield
Final Hour.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
How about that? That's a trade, Colin. I'll just say this,
this is fascinating.
Speaker 9 (24:39):
Minnesota gave up on Sam Darnold, he got a middling
contract and won.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
A Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (24:44):
There are several teams out there that need a quarterback
and Baker. You slot him in and if you've got
the infrastructure, that's a contender. I don't think Tampa's a contender.
I don't even think they're the best in their division.
But this becomes interesting.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Listen, you need to pay Baker. You don't know if
Todd Bowles is going to be around long. You're shuffling
through offensive coordinators.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
You just lost Mike Evans. You need to pay Baker.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You got to give me. May have to pay him
a little more than you want. But Baker Mayfield good
enough to win a division.
Speaker 9 (25:16):
I mean he's good enough to do more than that.
This guy was a number one overall pick.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Collin, No, I think Baker's troven himself.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Sam dartled is he not. He's not as big as Sam.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
No, he's not as big an athletic as Sam. I
don't think he's as good as Sam. Probably a better
good thrower, Yes, Sam, you know I think Baker's a
good player. I'd pay him forty something million. I don't
want to pay him forty eight, but could I pay
him forty one?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
He just turned thirty one, by the way, so he's
got four or five more great years. He's looking to
get paid right now.
Speaker 9 (25:42):
Holy count turning into a super terrific happy hour, Colin,
how about this final story? Is Steve Sarksa. He's been
in the news a lot lately. I wonder what's going
on there in Texas behind the scenes. Man, this guy's
just taking shots at everybody. Remember the basket weaving comment
about old miss He's now talking about Indiana and Kurt
Signetti and scheduling, and he took a big time shot
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about what he's calling the Indiana Way.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Take a listen.
Speaker 11 (26:10):
The way he did it has done some has been
somewhat unconventional. With the six of your seniors, the transfers,
the veteran group, the way they practice all those things.
One thing in there he adjusted their schedule too.
Speaker 12 (26:23):
He's impacting people because people now are starting to adjust
their non conference schedules because they're seeing the value of
another win as opposed to the value of a strength
of your schedule.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
All right, let's be clear here, Kurt Signetti did not
reinvent we're.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Going to schedule a cupcakes. Okay, that did not start
with him.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
So Sark is taking some jabs here conn and oh
is your guy he comes on the show. I'm not
going to stand down, but.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Sark is willing to speak his mind. I respect that.
Let's look at Indiana's schedule. They open up, they open
up with something called North Texas and then they play
Howard Howard and then it's a directional school from Kentucky,
the Hilltoppers. I think, yeah, it's not exactly the Bear schedule.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
Well again, last year they opened up with some jokers
as well, Odu, Kennesaw State.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Whatever, who cares you get wins.
Speaker 9 (27:15):
So now Stark is going to be like, well, look
at our schedule, and of course Ohio State has uh
plays Texas in.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Texas in two they got I would say, at the
end of the year, it's Texas schedule, is.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
What Texas State and utsa.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Well Ohio State at Tennessee, Oklahoma, Florida, Ole Miss Hasty.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Wanted, bro, what do you want from me?
Speaker 9 (27:35):
I mean, you know we are their non conference games.
Texas State. You don't know what city that's in? And yeah,
Ohio State is the big one.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yes, kind you want a cookie for that?
Speaker 9 (27:47):
You scheduled them, you're getting You're getting.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
A lot of value off that game. What's the TV
money like on that one? So I missed me?
Speaker 9 (27:55):
Smark with all these shots you're taking at Ole Miss
in Indiana.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I he's he's not wrong.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
Well he's not wrong. But this seems out of character
for Stark, does it not? I don't remember him being
like shots fired?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Guy, Texas State is in? Is it San Marcos? Texas?
Is that an island? San Marcos Island? You better know
your geography on this show.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I got the governor of Indiana that's south of where
we're at right now, just for you directionally challenge people.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
All right, mister Midwest, All right? Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Now I canna press the governor on some fiscal responsibility issues. Here,
I gotta get buttoned down. The governor of Indiana's around
the corner. I'm listen. He uh, they're going to get
the Chicago Bears. The Board of Governors for Chicago said,
we tried to work with our state.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
It didn't work.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
We're going We're gonna go down south, which again should
be noted, a lot of people take the train of
Notre Dame games. Do they have casinos in Indiana? Don't
they have Casita nother building a big casino out back here?
But for years didn't people go to Indiana for casinos? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:05):
So yeah, whatever, it's the Herd.
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Speaker 1 (29:20):
So you know, so the Chicago Bears are headed to
Indiana and Mike Braun is the fifty second governor of Indiana.
It is a huge story here. I will tell you that.
Remember the Jets and the Giants play in New Jersey,
and the Washington Commanders play in Landover, Maryland, and the
Niners Stadium is forty miles out of San Francisco, and
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the Chiefs are moving from Missouri to Kansas. So this
is happening all over and a lot of times it
can be a red state going after a blue state
or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
States have a right to compete against each other.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
So the governor of Indiana, Mike Braun, who is the
fifty second govern is joining us. So it's interesting. Here's
what I know about Indiana. First of all, Governor, thank
you very much for stopping by a former businessman who decided, Hey,
I want to get my state right.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
You're not desperate. This is not a hail Mary.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Indiana economy is actually I used to have a place
in Salt Lake City and they used to brag about
Utah's economy, and I like, really, Indiana's economy is almost
This is the Utah version of the Midwest. Tell people
right now about how hot your economy is.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
So talk about a little bit earlier. Indiana's GDP growth.
And we've been running it as a business for the
nearly year and a half since I got elected. I
brought in a bunch of private sector individuals to kind
of get it in shape.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
We're getting a.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
Dividend at the cost end of the spectrum by running
government more efficiently and We've got the lowest unemployment rate
in the Midwest. And think about GDP growth twice as
fast as you're on me in Illinois, and Ohio's three
times as fast as Kentucky's, six times as fast as Michigan's.
We've got businesses moving in here, families and where would
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you want to have your own business for the next
fifty years? And all along when I met the McCaskey
brothers right here in the next room, I met the
residence currently. We hit it off because I'm one of
the few governors. Hell, there was hardly anybody in the
Senate that signed the front side of a paycheck. And
we hit it off, and I just wanted to make
sure it was an honest discussion, you know, not a
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bargaining chip. And I felt good from the get go.
We moved at the speed of business. They could see it.
And here we are.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Now are the Colts upset?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
How what's the reaction from the Colts?
Speaker 7 (31:45):
Well, we made sure that they were going to see
that it was a win win for them, and from the.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Get go they loved the idea.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
They've been behind it, and Indiana has kind of become
like a sports center. We're the easiest place in the
country to get toistically NCAA is headquartered here. We just
had the Hoosier miracle occur. And when it comes to
things like high school basketball, that's Hoosier hysteria. The state
is built around a lot of sports, and in this case,
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I think it fits in perfectly with what we do.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Well already, Yeah, you also have the best airport in
the country. I will confirm that it is. I think
it's been voted the best airport in the country.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
It's great. So now that's now the knock is oh Hammond, Indiana. Well,
it's yeah, I mean, God, take you forever to get there.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
What would you say to somebody that lives in the
North Burbs will met Kenilworth and they say, oh, I
got to get all the way to ham in Indiana.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
What would you say to that?
Speaker 7 (32:45):
Well, what I would say to everybody in the central
part of Chicago and South which I've got a feeling
a preponderance of the fans come from. It's going to
be easier to come to Hammond because you're coming in
by train by any way you choose to do it.
It would take less time than going from Soldiers Field
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up to Arlington Heights. So yes, for some folks Center
North it'll be a little different. But you've got ways
there with your train system. We've got now trains that
go right near where the stadium is going to be built.
And plus once you get there, you're gonna have an
elbow room. There's gonna be tailgating going on. You couldn't
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do that. It was a logistics feat to get the
Soldiers Field and think about how much more stadium you're
going to get built for the money in a place
that's got a much lower cost of living and an
economy that's on fire.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah, no, that is the advantage.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I've said this, Stan Cronk could afford to stay in
Los Angeles when he moved the Rams because you're one
of the richest guys in the world.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
But like, for.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Instance, you know the Maras. The Mara's are like, let's
go to Jersey. We've saw the Raiders left the Bay.
They went to Vegas. Folks, not all, you know, not all.
There's a handful of NFL owners that will you know,
they can handle a lot of it, but a lot
of owners they're looking like the mccaskeys. Do you think
the mccaskeys in your dealings with them. Obviously they're excited
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about a new project. But when you started talking, did
you have to kind of be delicate with this because
most teams would rather play in that home state. Was
was it a little tender? Was it a tough negotiation
or discussions early?
Speaker 6 (34:28):
Well, here's how it all went down.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
They had reached out to their governments five years ago,
because anything when you knew your lease was coming to
an end, you start planning way ahead. And of course
what has the area given them? More of probably doubt
about what it would be like, you know, taking on a.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Project this size.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
I did so much real estate before I became governor,
built a little little business of trucking and warehousing into
a national company, So I had to deal with this
a lot when you're putting megaplexus in of hub, warehouses, crosstocks.
So they could tell immediately they weren't talking to a politician.
They were talking to somebody that had done it. So
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we knew what made sense when you're making a decision
of this magnitude. And from day one, when they were
in the dining room right next to where I'm sitting,
we had a good two hour meeting. They came to us,
and all I was interested in is is this going
to be an honest discussion, not a bargaining ploy. And
I just came out and said it, and they knew.
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I knew what we needed to do, and we made
it easy. We moved at the speed of business from
that first meeting, which would have been some time before Christmas,
and then when you got to get a legislature to
come along, well, look what just happened in Illinois. I
coordinated that with our legislature to get the bill passed
the first time through and to where they made a
(35:59):
strong pub public statement. At the same time, they were
interested in moving forward, So I wanted that to be
done to show that it was moving in an honest way.
Honest brokers on both sides. Those are things you don't
learn in government. You learn that kind of stuff in
the private sector.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Okay, so we can talk about this stuff when is
shovel in the ground moment, Like, what are we talking
about here?
Speaker 7 (36:22):
So a lot of the due diligence has already been done.
And in a real estate deal of this magnitude, we
had to have the other entity, the City of Hammond,
and Mary McDermott has been as accommodating as a state
government has. So we've gone through most of that. The
critical point, I think for the League and for the
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Bears was to get this decision happening, because it kind
of closes the deal and now the urgency of what
needs to be done will be done on any big operation,
big real estate deal. Make sure you dot your eyes,
cross your t's, do the due diligence, because we got
plenty of time. I think their lease runs through thirty three,
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probably take a couple three years to build it, so
we got time to do it right, build it out properly,
make sure we get all the surrounding economic development done well.
And by the way, that's going to be easy in
a state like Indiana, where our Economic Development Commission, I,
as a governor a legislator, that is going to be agile.
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I think they thought about what the process remaining was
going to be like, what the next fifty years are
going to be like, and I said, all along, they'll
come our way.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
All right, I just did thirty seconds. It's all projection. Obviously,
the state of Illinois is going to lose some money.
They would argue Pritz Kurt would argue, he's just not
willing to take money and take it out of taxpayer's hands.
But what kind of windfall could this be annually to
the state of Indiana in about thirty.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
Seconds, so it'll be a significant windfall. We do everything
to where even when to craft the deal, it's long term.
There'll be ways for us to recoup the investment. Big
issue the marginal benefit of doing it in Chicago, especially
or in Illinois.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
There were just too many uncertainties.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
The return on investment will be greater for us than
it would have been for them.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, all right, it's still the Chicago Bears, and people
are freaking out here.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
You're not changing the name right.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
Oh no, I would be uh, that would be obtuse
to think it would be the Ham and Bears.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
It's the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Back in nineteen twenty one or twenty two, it was
the Ham and Pros back with the NFL.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
They were one of the first pro franchises.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
You're right, yeah, Mike, A pleasure, Mike Brawn. Congratulations on
your success and your kind of ideology on how to
run a state. A lot of people agree with it,
and thank you.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
You're welcome all right.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
You know I don't get a lot of governors on. Yeah,
maybe Gavin NEWSI will stop my Monday. We'll talk about
the Dodgers payroll. You know, I'm open for anything.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
In Indiana is it's it's financial health. It's pretty strong,
you know. It's it's when I used to go to
when I was out in La, I'd go to Salt
Lake a lot, and I go skiing with my family, right,
take the kids skiing. And Utah's economy is uh, you know,
it's a more conservative state than California. Utah's economy has
been on fire for a decade, so it is hummum,
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je Max, you should if you ever got off the
beach with a gun show, go skiing with the family.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Utah's got Yeah.
Speaker 9 (39:28):
How many people I went to Salt Lake? You know
the downtown has like it dozens of people down there.
I mean, it's really tough to manage that. I did
love how the politician from Indiana comes on and he
was great. You ask about shove already and he just
like speaks for like ninety seconds and says nothing. Well,
come in, hero, just just tell me two years what
do we do?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Well, it's construction. You don't know exactly it's it's uh,
you know.
Speaker 9 (39:50):
I did like how he said, either going to keep
the Chicago Bears on that course.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
That's good. It's listen.
Speaker 9 (39:55):
Indiana's kind of popping, right, Caitlin Clark, Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Now, Caleb Williams, I mean this kind.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
You're seeing it with the Chiefs. You see it with
the Jets and the Giants. You see it you know
with the forty nine ers, you see it with the Commanders.
This is the reality. States have to compete. I had
a friend, I won't give his name out, I'll protect him.
He's been on the show before. Who had dinner with
the governor of Florida.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
And Monda Santis.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, and he said, you know it's it's it is
a battle. They are battling California, New York. And if
you're going to go out and you're going to be
the mayor of New York and you're gonna poke Ken
Griffin and the Ribs, you know, and and go on
your phone and do a shot, and you got his
company behind you, mocking.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Him that that was not the smartest move by your guy, Mom, Donnie,
not my guy. He's definitely your guy. I'm not a guy.
Even Trump are going to be a game three Nicks spurs.
I know you're fired up. You're into politics.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I just interviewed one governor. I'm not into politics. America's
honesty broker has to you know again, I'm I'm I'll
take all governors if they've got if we've got an issue.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah, wow, I mean you're you're just a regular Joe Rogan.
Speaker 8 (41:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
I bought you know Fox News has an opening. I better,
I better knock on some doors upstairs.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
You try to get me your job. I mean, I
didn't get a handle on all right.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I don't even know who's on. I mean, we're we're
shuffling the deck here. Josh Pate. Okay, he's still on.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
That's good.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Man, I moved to Chicago and the team goes to Indiana.
The Hell's going on live in Chicago. It's The Herd
wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. You know, it's funny.
I don't blame Indiana. They've got an aggressive governor. So
basically the mccaskeys and there's like eleven kids. They negotiated
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with JB. Pritzker, And it's interesting when you move to
a new state you learn about all the politics.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
So JB.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Pritzker's family's a Hyatt family. I think they're the third
of the fourth richest family in the country. So and
they've got in me power. You know, if you go
to the Hyatt downtown in eight hundred North Michigan, you've
got like a Pritzker you.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Know, plaque on the wall.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So I see that all the time, and you know,
they're very powerful. He's a very smart guy, the governor
of the state. Whether I agree or disagree with him,
and he's like, I'm not giving away billions of dollars
a taxpayer money to an NFL franchise. I don't blame him.
He's a very smart guy. He knows the state better
than I do. Listen, I love him to stay in
Chicago and be built in Arlington Heights. I mean literally,
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I feel like I.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Could walk there. It's a timinent drive.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So I'd love it him in Indiana's right over the
border and for a lot of I mean this happens
all the time. States compete against each other all the time.
I'm Indiana's being aggressive. Good for them. I'd love to
talk to their governor. Come on the show. I think
you know the mccaskey's are like, we tried, we negotiate it.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
We've got a better deal.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I mean, both New York teams play at MetLife. That's
in like the ISOD Center. Eh, that's not very nice.
That's not very I guarantee you the Hammond area, the
people on the South side of Chicago it's a fifty
minute drive from where I'm sitting right now. It's fifty
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three to Arlington Heights. Believe me, I take that drive
all the time. It takes a long time. So I
you know, states, Nevada competes against California. Nevada's got no
state tax. You see Florida doing this right now. Florida
now is that Miami is a tech hub. Miami has
exploded over the last five years.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Why no state tax.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
They went to those tech companies in California and say,
we'll cut you a better deal. People were willing to
move thirty five hundred miles from Silicon Valley to Miami.
And Silicon Valley is a beautiful place to live. So
the bears are, you know, Soldier Fields in South Chicago.
We're gonna move down to ham In Indiana's right across
the border. It's not that big of a deal, you know,
for me selfishly, Arlington Heights would be great.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
They don't care.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
So this is just what happened. This is what happened.
States have a right to compete for employees and companies.
Texas has been brilliant at this Floord has been brilliant.
If new York can't figure it out and wants to
demonize guys who make money like Ken Griffith. He'll pack
it up and go to Miami. Good for him, got
a rite to it now. I think New York's got
(03:21):
a lot of really good employees. But you start demonizing
rich cat rich CAATs in California and New York, they'll
bail all right, Rachel Nickels, what am I so? Just CNBC?
What happened? Fox Business? You know it's America, you know, Okay?
(03:45):
So Rachel, Game one, you were in San Antonio, Yes,
I felt, And it's always better when you're there. You've
got you know you're gonna be in games three and
four New York And that's a different.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Story, wild crowd, freezy.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
But I thought in the fourth and Dylan Harper threw
an air ball on a three, I'm like, they don't
have their legs. They just they are they were so
they were missing open threes badly. Yep, And that's not
an excuse. But I felt as a TV consumer, san
Antonio ran out of gas.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
You were there, you buy that or not.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I think it was a little bit of that.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
It was also some of the youth and decision making
come in. All of those things that you saw are
also symbols of Ah, it's the fourth quarter of the
Finals and they've caught up to us, and I'm just
going to take this early in the shot clock three,
which he shouldn't have taken, and then you don't get airballs,
you don't get those bad sort of misses, and then
transition the other way. There are a bunch of things
(04:41):
that Wemby and the Spurs did collectively that felt to
me a little bit like that Game five in the
last series where they just kind of lost their heads
a little bit, and Wenby talked about it. I think
you guys ran the clip earlier in the show about
him saying, I don't have to do a lot different,
I just have to actually play the game I'm supposed
to play. And I think that is what was missing
from some of the Spurs play in the fourth quarter.
They're going to have to do some more different strategy
(05:03):
type things that got to get Wemby the ball at
the elbow. We saw that in the last series, so
I'm not sure why we didn't see it as much
in this Game one. But a lot of it is
just being a little smarter about where and how you
play and doing the basic things you are supposed to do.
Victor webin Yama did not have an offensive rebound in
the first three quarters. Colin, that is simple. That is baby, right.
(05:25):
I mean, that should be just like nothing. He's the
tallest guy maybe in the world, if not certainly on
the basketball court, and he should be able to be
grabbing those offensive rebounds for second chance points. If you
look at the final score, the Knicks outscored the Spurs
and second chance points twenty four to thirteen.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
That's nine points.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
The game, of course was ten points apart in the
final score, so those second chance points, if they just
do that, they could have had a different outcoming Game one.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It's interesting the Brunson we forget because Jalen Brunson was
so great in the fourth quarter. We forget that he
had two random injuries and limb off the floor. You know,
you just that stuff kind of disappears into the ether
because he was so heroic late. Is he a one
hundred percent for Game two? He's only had two days
to heal.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
You know what they say, Colin, it's the playoffs. No
one's one hundred percent. He's certainly got injuries that are manageable,
so I wouldn't expect to see any drop off from him.
I mean, the thing about Jalen which has been so
impressive and his leadership style is he's so consistent.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
He is just the rock for all of these teammates.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
And it's true, of course, in fourth quarters they know
they can depend on him, but it's also true on
a Tuesday in January. It's true when he gets a
little banged up and then you know is he going
to come back out or not. His strength is the
fact that he knows he will always be there and
his teammates know that too, and you saw a little
microbursts of that during the game.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So historically, the only team this young is the Portland
Trailblazers back in seventy seven. That was the Bill Walton
mohl Lucas. I think Lionel Hollins was on that team.
Dave towards It, Henry Steele, I'm challenging, I'm challenging, going.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
To get out for me in this nineteen seventies basketball.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Sorry, but young teams don't get this far. Yeah, And
I thought they were frenetic. I thought San Antonio looked
a little chaotic. Their coach is young, their players are young.
I mean, did that jump out to you? Even when
they were down thirteen? I thought the Knicks were intentional, yep.
I thought they were patient. They just missed shots because
(07:32):
San Antonio is a good defensive team. Was it as
obvious when you were there that they did look scattered?
The Spurs look young?
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Yeah, exactly, And that's why I was saying, Like, to me,
it was less about exhaustion alone. I'm sure they were
worn out, and more about just this is youth, right,
This is what happens when you haven't been there. And
colinage extends to the coaching staff too. Miss Johnson is
a great coach. He was a finalist for Coach of
the Year. I believe he's going to have a great
future continued in this league. But Mike Brown has been
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just seven NBA finals. Is either an lead assistant or
a head coach. You know how to handle things better.
It's like the Super Bowl. I always used to tell
players in the law, who were you know, getting to
their first Super Bowl. I'd be like, just know that
anthem takes longer, the pregame setup takes longer.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
You are going to your rhythm in.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
The first you know, set of downs is going to
be so off because your normal way of doing business
throughout a game is going to be thrown. And we
see that at the beginning of Super Bowls with young players.
We see it with coaches who haven't been in an
NBA Finals situation. Dylan Harper did not get the minutes
he should have in the fourth quarter. That could have
changed the game right there. Calden Johnson not having a
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spectacular series so far, he only played eight minutes, but
this guy was the sixth Man of the Year and
he does those energy baskets that those kinds of players do.
We didn't see him that much of the game, certainly
not toward the end of it. These are coaching decisions,
and I expect that sort of youth and inexperience to
get taken care of as we go through this series too.
It's just, you know, the Knicks have now made it
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harder on The Spurs have to win four of the
next six, which is tough considering how many games are
at Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Years ago, when the Miami Heat the heatles, they were
actually a very flawed team. They didn't have size. I
mean literally, Joel Anthony was like six nine and a
half centered. They didn't have a true point. It's like Lebron,
Mario Chalmers, I think Norris Cole came in. It was
and Lebron and d Wade's games were athletic. Neither was
a great perimeter shooter. They went and got Ray Allen Battier,
Mike Miller. But it was a flawed team. But it
(09:26):
was well coached and you but but you don't have
to be a perfect team. When I look at the
I always said the key to that team, beyond athletic ability, was.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
How smart they were.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Battier, Alan Haslam, Wade, Lebron, Bosh, I'm like, I mean,
the smartest team ever. This Knicks team got a lot
of Illanova guys, got a lot of smart guys, got
a lot of veteran players. When I watch them play,
there is no question they are a very mature team.
And when you countered that with the youth of San Antonio,
(09:58):
that could be the difference in the final. You cover
the Knicks, you're in New York. What are they like
behind the scenes, locker room? You shoot around? What are
they like to interview to discuss because that stuff matters.
You go look at those Pistons teams, remember those bad
Boy teams. Absolute Look how many of those guys on
that team coached or GM That was a really heady team.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
What's the knicks like? What do they like to cover?
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yeah, there's no question that this is a smart team.
You get good answers when you ask smart questions of them.
But the comfort level is the thing that always sticks
out to me when I'm just hanging out in the
locker room. Maybe I'm waiting for a guy, but I'm
you know, chatting with some of the other guys.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
These guys have been playing you talk about the Villanova crew.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
These guys have been playing together for more than a decade,
right on and off, like they have a comfort level
with each other. I asked, you know, Josh Hart the
other day, I was like, what's your origin moment?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
What's your origin story?
Speaker 5 (10:50):
You know, the sort of superhero origin story with some
of your NOMA teammates. And you know, he starts, you know,
doing the Josh Hart thing. Oh, I bet Jalen Brunson
didn't like him at all. He was entitled, you know,
blue chip or CRUs son of a player pleads, And
you know, this was at an NBA Finals press conference,
and you normally don't hear that kind of talk, even
just joking around.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Certainly on the Heatles team.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
You said that if Chris Bosh or Dwayne Wade started
joking around about how much they didn't like Lebron, I
promise you it would not have gone well for team
chemistry in that locker room.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I covered that team.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
These are guys who just really love being around each other.
There's been a clip that surfaced on the internet this
week about when Jalen Brunson found out that Josh Hart
was coming to the team and he was just like
over the moon and just you know, kind of jumping
up and down, and it was sort of a personal
cell phone situation. These guys love being together, and it's
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true in the court, and it's true in the locker room,
and it is a lot of fun to be around.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
And you know, Colin, you've been around this for so long.
There are teams in many.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Sports where just feel like they've got that lightning in
the bottle magic quality, and this is one of them.
I don't know if they're putting it together with rubber bands, scissors,
and take.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I don't know whether they're and just you know.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Loving hugs is some people have joked with with the
next but it's working and you feel it every time
you're around the players.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, no, it is a lightning in the bottle era.
We said this an hour ago. That Warriors team that
beat Boston like they really shouldn't have won. I mean
they were flawed, they didn't have any size, they were
a little old, and they go to Boston and steal
the series in the momentum and you're like, oh, Boston's
not ready. Yeah, we're not in the dynasty era.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I think you put it.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
We're in a lightning in a bottle era. Can you
be situationally excellent?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Denver?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
For a year everything added up. Then the next year
they had to move off like a bench guy or
a KCP if I recall and it's like, oh, it's
not the same team, so fine, I want to.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Ask you this.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, we get a lot of we get a lot
of rumors, and most of them, you know, you've been
doing this long enough, especially you roll your eyes. The
lebron to the Warriors isn't crazy, Okay, It's a forty
five minute private jet home Curry, Draymond Kerr.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
He likes those guys absolutely flirted.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I mean he's he's been talking about Curry for six years.
I think there's And by the way, the Lakers new owners,
regardless of what they feel about Lebron, they have made.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Austin Reeves a priority. You have to right like Lebron.
Maybe his feelings are hurt. I get it, Lebron Warriors.
That's not kooky, right.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
It's not kooky. I'm still not sure it's the leader
in the clubhouse. On situations, they could only pay him
about fifteen million dollars using a not taxpayer exception. I
hate that we have to use all these words. The
NBA has made it too complicated. But that would be
a pretty huge pay cut for him. Maybe they could
do a sign and trade, but what with you know
that sort of thing. So that's one obstacle.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
The other obstacle when you talk about all of this
is Steph Curry still wants to win, and that's not
necessarily a win a championship move for the Warriors to make,
so they would have to just decide, we want to
go have fun. We all love hanging out together. Lebron's
super into golf.
Speaker 8 (13:56):
Now.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
The Warriors famously, you know, book their travel around Steph's
golf schedule. You know, let's all have a grand old
time and we can win some and you know, Jimmy
will get back out there and we can be the
expendables or whatever they are of the NBA. If they
decide to go to that route, you know what, maybe
that is a fun way for Lebron to finish playing
his basketball career, but I think there are some obstacles
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to get there. It's just, you know, it's going to
be how much money does he feel like he needs
to play?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
How far away does he want to be from his family?
And the irony with.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
This whole Warriors conversation, Colin, is that you know, I
was there for every minute of that twenty sixteen final
series and the rivalry that those teams had.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
They hated each other back then.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Do you remember the little sniping in the media from
the podium, the Halloween cookies? Jeff Curry's death was on
a tombstone at a Halloween party.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
So to see where we are now, Colin, our boys
have grown up.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
I'm just I'm so proud of them. But yeah, no,
I mean it's just it is a great lesson in
the NFL and the NHL and the NBA.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Long enough, wait, long enough and everyone's friends.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Rachel as always great seeing you, Thanks, see you. Yep,
she will be at Games three and four in New York.
Was at Game one.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
What a series. Yeah, I gotta tell you that.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Karl Anthony Towns, it's he's such an interesting cat. He
was great high schooler, great, like number one pick, unbelievable talent.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
For years.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
For years, I would go to NBA games, and I
don't know why this was. I always got like Karl
Anthony Towns against the Clippers or Lakers. Maybe those were
the inexpensive seats When Andrew Wiggins was young and Carl
I saw Carl Anthony Towns play four or five times
live he was and it was weird. He would be
so dominant in the first half of games and then
he would get into foul trouble.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
But I mean, he was unstoppable.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Every time I watched him play for Spurts, he'd have
a twelve minute where he'd knock up eighteen points.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Could not stop him.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So it's great to see you, know you play Taj
Gibson on the show yesterday. You play long enough, good
things happen. I want to get the Governor of Indiana
on I wonder if he can. Can we work the phones?
I mean it it's you know, people are gonna freak out,
but it's right over the ball.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I've never been to Hammond, Indiana. I know this.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
A lot of people from Chicago take the train to
South Bend, Indiana watch Notre Dame football.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
And that's a lot fur than Hammond.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I mean, Notre Dame's right around the I mean, if
you are a USC fan or any fan of college football,
you fly into Chicago, you take the train to South Bend.
It's no big deal. Man, What is the train ride
an hour? Who cares? Have a glass of vino and
enjoy the ride.
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Speaker 1 (17:14):
So Indiana could be the home of the Colts and
the Bears. They would still be called the Chicago Bears,
but they're right over the border. And you know this
is when you live in California. You know, Texas is
poaching the California economy. And listen, California just produces billionaires
Silicon Valley when SpaceX goes public here, whenever it goes
(17:35):
public here in the next month, Manhattan Beach, just one town's.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Getting three new billionaires.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So with the IPO, so you know, California creates a
lot of billionaires. They lose some to Texas and Florida.
States compete against each other. I'm just told Mike Brawn,
the governor of Indiana, will join me in fifteen minutes,
so I'm interested. I I mean, he went to Harvard
Business School, so I better go to his Wikipedia page
(18:00):
and get the pencils all sharpened here. But listen, it's
this is the reality of it in these big cities.
You know, the Rams were in Saint Louis, and thank
god stan Kronky bought a massive piece of land.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
But that was a struggle.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
When you get to New York, in Chicago and Los Angeles,
if you don't have one of the richer owners, it
is hard to find a place to build stadiums. In
New York, they build it over in the Jersey. In Chicago,
they're leaving the state. In Los Angeles they've done a
great job with so far, but most owners, the Spanos
family could not have afforded that. The Kronk or the
(18:41):
Marrow family could not have afforded that Stan Kronkie could.
I mean, go back to Robert Craft and the Patriots.
They threatened to move to Connecticut. So this is the
history of the NFL. We used to have the Raiders.
They were in California. Now they're in Nevada. That's the way.
You know, Saint Louis, all right, you have the Blues
and the Cardinals. We're moving to Los Angeles. So Mike Brown,
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governor Indiana, stops by. They're going to be called the
Chicago Bears. Those still don't don't freak out Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
No, no, this is the Herdline News.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
Just looking on a map at Hammon, Indiana. Yeah, have
you seen the Google images? It looks like the town
from Back to the Future. It's so it's like small
town holds. I'm outside of them. You got a governor
coming on the show.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
For the record, most great college basketball programs are in
small towns, and they put one hundred thousand people in stadium.
Is ann Arbor, Big is Norman, Oklahoma, Big Hamm in Indiana,
I have seventy five thousand people. These small towns have
more parking. These small towns have more space to build
retail outlets and restaurant The hardest part in these big
(19:52):
cities is now there. There was a former racetrack in
Arlington Heights. I do I want to board people. So
there was a nice spot in Arlington Heights. But it's
just more expensive. You're not getting tax break. I don't
blame the governor of Illinois saying I'm not taking billions
of dollars from taxpayers and funneling to an NFL stadium.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I get it.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
I'm a little out of my domain here with the
politics and the region, but that probably is not a
good look for the governor JB.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Isn't he trying to be president one day? Not great?
All right, let's go to Colin. Let's go to the
NBA in Austin Reeves.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
Interesting story leaked out yesterday from a credible reporter, Brad Turner,
who's been out here in LA forever, very credible, says
that Austin Reeves, he's hearing he wants a max deal
from the Lakers, sure.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
And his intent is to stay in Los Angeles. He
doesn't want to go anywhere.
Speaker 9 (20:38):
Imagine that Colin Austin Reeves wants to stay in LA
and he wants all the money.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
He wants his cake, and he wants to eat it too.
Speaker 9 (20:45):
Well, I'm here to tell you, like I respect Brad's reporting, obviously, I.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Just don't see this happening. And there's no.
Speaker 9 (20:50):
Scenario where you pay Austin Reeves a max deal well
and are still able to build a contender in the West. Well,
you're right, but he does have a market yeah, oh yeah,
you're apparently are part of his marketing.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, twenty points A game hard worker. He's got a
market and this is the situation you put yourself in.
If Austin Reeves leaves and you re sign Lebron, Luke
and Lebron, what is the message you're sending to the Lakers?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
You're not close?
Speaker 9 (21:17):
Well, you know, one would assume all this Dodgers new ownership.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Folks that are with the Lakers now, they have a
plan B.
Speaker 9 (21:23):
They're not gonna be caught flat footed by Austin Reeves
taking the bag from the Chicago Bulls and going to
win thirty seven games in the East. They're gonna be
ready for that. I would assume they have a plan B,
in C and D right there. There's no way they're
gonna be like, oh my gosh, Austin left, were screwed.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
You better have something for Luca, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I mean it's I don't think it's crazy to let
Lebron walk.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Austin Reeves go.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
You've got your star coach and your star player, and
you build the kind of roster Luca needs, which is
rim protection, multiple three and D guys who are elite defense.
I mean, let's not kid ourselves here. You're a mile
away and San Antonio is getting better next year, Oklahoma
City probably gonna be better. Houston's gonna be better, Minnesota's
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going to be better, although I don't know if they're growing,
but they'll be better. Denver's not going anywhere. You're kidding yourself. Lebron,
Austin and Luca none of them are elite defenders.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I mean, did you see the quality of.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Defense in the game one of the NBA Finals, The
intensity and the defense. Lakers don't have a single elite
defensive wing.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
So I'm looking at ross Her, I'm looking at Basketball Reference.
Lebron's at fifty two this year. Austin Revez is at thirteen.
If you have those two removed, you've got sixty five
million in cap space to go get Giannis and I
don't know two other guys.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Forget Lana's just get three three and d guys. What
you get Watson, Tari Eid. There's just not a lot
of great stuff out there, Colin. That's one of the
issues I'd rather move.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You know, my pay huge money infrequently in sports. Okay,
Luca's not Lebron in his prime. He gets hurt, he's
not in great shape, he's allows he defender, So this
is not like Lebron in his prime, where you could
put her anything but Matthew Della Vedova and j R.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Smith around him. That's not all we have here.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
This is not Kareem or Magic in his prime or
Bird in his prime. You have got to build around
Luca a certain way.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
All right.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
Well, speaking of money, how about let's go to the NFL.
I did not know this was a thing. But Baker
Mayfield is now chirping he wants an extension, and they're
not anywhere close. Colin had thirty three million. He ranked
sixteenth a monk highest paid quarterbacks in the league. From
my point of view, that's about where he ranks. But
Baker spoke this morning about a new contract and this
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does not sound good Tampa fans.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Contract stuff.
Speaker 10 (23:57):
Is this happenings starting it talks and whatnot, but not
anywhere close to what they all we were thinking. So
I would love to be here long term, and as
of right now that that's not exactly the case. Obviously, yes,
I would love to have a long term deal done,
but they know my deadline is training camp starts. We're
not doing any contrary stuff. It's soldball, So it's sun
(24:21):
up to me when that gets done by, but so
hopefully before.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
That, can we get him on the show today too,
We'll get the governor of Indiana Baker.
Speaker 9 (24:30):
Well, yeah, I'm willing to bump headlines for Baker Mayfield
Final Hour.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
How about that? That's a trade, Colin. I'll just say this,
this is fascinating.
Speaker 9 (24:39):
Minnesota gave up on Sam Darnold, he got a middling
contract and won.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
A Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (24:44):
There are several teams out there that need a quarterback
and Baker. You slot him in and if you've got
the infrastructure, that's a contender. I don't think Tampa's a contender.
I don't even think they're the best in their division.
But this becomes interesting.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Listen, you need to pay Baker. You don't know if
Todd Bowles is going to be around long. You're shuffling
through offensive coordinators.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
You just lost Mike Evans. You need to pay Baker.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You got to give me. May have to pay him
a little more than you want. But Baker Mayfield good
enough to win a division.
Speaker 9 (25:16):
I mean he's good enough to do more than that.
This guy was a number one overall pick.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Collin, No, I think Baker's troven himself.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Sam dartled is he not. He's not as big as Sam.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
No, he's not as big an athletic as Sam. I
don't think he's as good as Sam. Probably a better
good thrower, Yes, Sam, you know I think Baker's a
good player. I'd pay him forty something million. I don't
want to pay him forty eight, but could I pay
him forty one?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
He just turned thirty one, by the way, so he's
got four or five more great years. He's looking to
get paid right now.
Speaker 9 (25:42):
Holy count turning into a super terrific happy hour, Colin,
how about this final story? Is Steve Sarksa. He's been
in the news a lot lately. I wonder what's going
on there in Texas behind the scenes. Man, this guy's
just taking shots at everybody. Remember the basket weaving comment
about old miss He's now talking about Indiana and Kurt
Signetti and scheduling, and he took a big time shot
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about what he's calling the Indiana Way.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Take a listen.
Speaker 11 (26:10):
The way he did it has done some has been
somewhat unconventional. With the six of your seniors, the transfers,
the veteran group, the way they practice all those things.
One thing in there he adjusted their schedule too.
Speaker 12 (26:23):
He's impacting people because people now are starting to adjust
their non conference schedules because they're seeing the value of
another win as opposed to the value of a strength
of your schedule.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
All right, let's be clear here, Kurt Signetti did not
reinvent we're.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Going to schedule a cupcakes. Okay, that did not start
with him.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
So Sark is taking some jabs here conn and oh
is your guy he comes on the show. I'm not
going to stand down, but.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Sark is willing to speak his mind. I respect that.
Let's look at Indiana's schedule. They open up, they open
up with something called North Texas and then they play
Howard Howard and then it's a directional school from Kentucky,
the Hilltoppers. I think, yeah, it's not exactly the Bear schedule.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
Well again, last year they opened up with some jokers
as well, Odu, Kennesaw State.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Whatever, who cares you get wins.
Speaker 9 (27:15):
So now Stark is going to be like, well, look
at our schedule, and of course Ohio State has uh
plays Texas in.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Texas in two they got I would say, at the
end of the year, it's Texas schedule, is.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
What Texas State and utsa.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Well Ohio State at Tennessee, Oklahoma, Florida, Ole Miss Hasty.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Wanted, bro, what do you want from me?
Speaker 9 (27:35):
I mean, you know we are their non conference games.
Texas State. You don't know what city that's in? And yeah,
Ohio State is the big one.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yes, kind you want a cookie for that?
Speaker 9 (27:47):
You scheduled them, you're getting You're getting.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
A lot of value off that game. What's the TV
money like on that one? So I missed me?
Speaker 9 (27:55):
Smark with all these shots you're taking at Ole Miss
in Indiana.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I he's he's not wrong.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
Well he's not wrong. But this seems out of character
for Stark, does it not? I don't remember him being
like shots fired?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Guy, Texas State is in? Is it San Marcos? Texas?
Is that an island? San Marcos Island? You better know
your geography on this show.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I got the governor of Indiana that's south of where
we're at right now, just for you directionally challenge people.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
All right, mister Midwest, All right? Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Now I canna press the governor on some fiscal responsibility issues. Here,
I gotta get buttoned down. The governor of Indiana's around
the corner. I'm listen. He uh, they're going to get
the Chicago Bears. The Board of Governors for Chicago said,
we tried to work with our state.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
It didn't work.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
We're going We're gonna go down south, which again should
be noted, a lot of people take the train of
Notre Dame games. Do they have casinos in Indiana? Don't
they have Casita nother building a big casino out back here?
But for years didn't people go to Indiana for casinos? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:05):
So yeah, whatever, it's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
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Speaker 1 (29:20):
So you know, so the Chicago Bears are headed to
Indiana and Mike Braun is the fifty second governor of Indiana.
It is a huge story here. I will tell you that.
Remember the Jets and the Giants play in New Jersey,
and the Washington Commanders play in Landover, Maryland, and the
Niners Stadium is forty miles out of San Francisco, and
(29:42):
the Chiefs are moving from Missouri to Kansas. So this
is happening all over and a lot of times it
can be a red state going after a blue state
or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
States have a right to compete against each other.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
So the governor of Indiana, Mike Braun, who is the
fifty second govern is joining us. So it's interesting. Here's
what I know about Indiana. First of all, Governor, thank
you very much for stopping by a former businessman who decided, Hey,
I want to get my state right.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
You're not desperate. This is not a hail Mary.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Indiana economy is actually I used to have a place
in Salt Lake City and they used to brag about
Utah's economy, and I like, really, Indiana's economy is almost
This is the Utah version of the Midwest. Tell people
right now about how hot your economy is.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
So talk about a little bit earlier. Indiana's GDP growth.
And we've been running it as a business for the
nearly year and a half since I got elected. I
brought in a bunch of private sector individuals to kind
of get it in shape.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
We're getting a.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
Dividend at the cost end of the spectrum by running
government more efficiently and We've got the lowest unemployment rate
in the Midwest. And think about GDP growth twice as
fast as you're on me in Illinois, and Ohio's three
times as fast as Kentucky's, six times as fast as Michigan's.
We've got businesses moving in here, families and where would
(31:11):
you want to have your own business for the next
fifty years? And all along when I met the McCaskey
brothers right here in the next room, I met the
residence currently. We hit it off because I'm one of
the few governors. Hell, there was hardly anybody in the
Senate that signed the front side of a paycheck. And
we hit it off, and I just wanted to make
sure it was an honest discussion, you know, not a
(31:33):
bargaining chip. And I felt good from the get go.
We moved at the speed of business. They could see it.
And here we are.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Now are the Colts upset?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
How what's the reaction from the Colts?
Speaker 7 (31:45):
Well, we made sure that they were going to see
that it was a win win for them, and from the.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Get go they loved the idea.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
They've been behind it, and Indiana has kind of become
like a sports center. We're the easiest place in the
country to get toistically NCAA is headquartered here. We just
had the Hoosier miracle occur. And when it comes to
things like high school basketball, that's Hoosier hysteria. The state
is built around a lot of sports, and in this case,
(32:15):
I think it fits in perfectly with what we do.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Well already, Yeah, you also have the best airport in
the country. I will confirm that it is. I think
it's been voted the best airport in the country.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
It's great. So now that's now the knock is oh Hammond, Indiana. Well,
it's yeah, I mean, God, take you forever to get there.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
What would you say to somebody that lives in the
North Burbs will met Kenilworth and they say, oh, I
got to get all the way to ham in Indiana.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
What would you say to that?
Speaker 7 (32:45):
Well, what I would say to everybody in the central
part of Chicago and South which I've got a feeling
a preponderance of the fans come from. It's going to
be easier to come to Hammond because you're coming in
by train by any way you choose to do it.
It would take less time than going from Soldiers Field
(33:06):
up to Arlington Heights. So yes, for some folks Center
North it'll be a little different. But you've got ways
there with your train system. We've got now trains that
go right near where the stadium is going to be built.
And plus once you get there, you're gonna have an
elbow room. There's gonna be tailgating going on. You couldn't
(33:27):
do that. It was a logistics feat to get the
Soldiers Field and think about how much more stadium you're
going to get built for the money in a place
that's got a much lower cost of living and an
economy that's on fire.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah, no, that is the advantage.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I've said this, Stan Cronk could afford to stay in
Los Angeles when he moved the Rams because you're one
of the richest guys in the world.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
But like, for.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Instance, you know the Maras. The Mara's are like, let's
go to Jersey. We've saw the Raiders left the Bay.
They went to Vegas. Folks, not all, you know, not all.
There's a handful of NFL owners that will you know,
they can handle a lot of it, but a lot
of owners they're looking like the mccaskeys. Do you think
the mccaskeys in your dealings with them. Obviously they're excited
(34:13):
about a new project. But when you started talking, did
you have to kind of be delicate with this because
most teams would rather play in that home state. Was
was it a little tender? Was it a tough negotiation
or discussions early?
Speaker 6 (34:28):
Well, here's how it all went down.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
They had reached out to their governments five years ago,
because anything when you knew your lease was coming to
an end, you start planning way ahead. And of course
what has the area given them? More of probably doubt
about what it would be like, you know, taking on a.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Project this size.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
I did so much real estate before I became governor,
built a little little business of trucking and warehousing into
a national company, So I had to deal with this
a lot when you're putting megaplexus in of hub, warehouses, crosstocks.
So they could tell immediately they weren't talking to a politician.
They were talking to somebody that had done it. So
(35:13):
we knew what made sense when you're making a decision
of this magnitude. And from day one, when they were
in the dining room right next to where I'm sitting,
we had a good two hour meeting. They came to us,
and all I was interested in is is this going
to be an honest discussion, not a bargaining ploy. And
I just came out and said it, and they knew.
(35:36):
I knew what we needed to do, and we made
it easy. We moved at the speed of business from
that first meeting, which would have been some time before Christmas,
and then when you got to get a legislature to
come along, well, look what just happened in Illinois. I
coordinated that with our legislature to get the bill passed
the first time through and to where they made a
(35:59):
strong pub public statement. At the same time, they were
interested in moving forward, So I wanted that to be
done to show that it was moving in an honest way.
Honest brokers on both sides. Those are things you don't
learn in government. You learn that kind of stuff in
the private sector.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Okay, so we can talk about this stuff when is
shovel in the ground moment, Like, what are we talking
about here?
Speaker 7 (36:22):
So a lot of the due diligence has already been done.
And in a real estate deal of this magnitude, we
had to have the other entity, the City of Hammond,
and Mary McDermott has been as accommodating as a state
government has. So we've gone through most of that. The
critical point, I think for the League and for the
(36:43):
Bears was to get this decision happening, because it kind
of closes the deal and now the urgency of what
needs to be done will be done on any big operation,
big real estate deal. Make sure you dot your eyes,
cross your t's, do the due diligence, because we got
plenty of time. I think their lease runs through thirty three,
(37:06):
probably take a couple three years to build it, so
we got time to do it right, build it out properly,
make sure we get all the surrounding economic development done well.
And by the way, that's going to be easy in
a state like Indiana, where our Economic Development Commission, I,
as a governor a legislator, that is going to be agile.
(37:27):
I think they thought about what the process remaining was
going to be like, what the next fifty years are
going to be like, and I said, all along, they'll
come our way.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
All right, I just did thirty seconds. It's all projection. Obviously,
the state of Illinois is going to lose some money.
They would argue Pritz Kurt would argue, he's just not
willing to take money and take it out of taxpayer's hands.
But what kind of windfall could this be annually to
the state of Indiana in about thirty.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
Seconds, so it'll be a significant windfall. We do everything
to where even when to craft the deal, it's long term.
There'll be ways for us to recoup the investment. Big
issue the marginal benefit of doing it in Chicago, especially
or in Illinois.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
There were just too many uncertainties.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
The return on investment will be greater for us than
it would have been for them.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, all right, it's still the Chicago Bears, and people
are freaking out here.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
You're not changing the name right.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
Oh no, I would be uh, that would be obtuse
to think it would be the Ham and Bears.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
It's the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Back in nineteen twenty one or twenty two, it was
the Ham and Pros back with the NFL.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
They were one of the first pro franchises.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
You're right, yeah, Mike, A pleasure, Mike Brawn. Congratulations on
your success and your kind of ideology on how to
run a state. A lot of people agree with it,
and thank you.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
You're welcome all right.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
You know I don't get a lot of governors on. Yeah,
maybe Gavin NEWSI will stop my Monday. We'll talk about
the Dodgers payroll. You know, I'm open for anything.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
In Indiana is it's it's financial health. It's pretty strong,
you know. It's it's when I used to go to
when I was out in La, I'd go to Salt
Lake a lot, and I go skiing with my family, right,
take the kids skiing. And Utah's economy is uh, you know,
it's a more conservative state than California. Utah's economy has
been on fire for a decade, so it is hummum,
(39:22):
je Max, you should if you ever got off the
beach with a gun show, go skiing with the family.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Utah's got Yeah.
Speaker 9 (39:28):
How many people I went to Salt Lake? You know
the downtown has like it dozens of people down there.
I mean, it's really tough to manage that. I did
love how the politician from Indiana comes on and he
was great. You ask about shove already and he just
like speaks for like ninety seconds and says nothing. Well,
come in, hero, just just tell me two years what
do we do?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Well, it's construction. You don't know exactly it's it's uh,
you know.
Speaker 9 (39:50):
I did like how he said, either going to keep
the Chicago Bears on that course.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
That's good. It's listen.
Speaker 9 (39:55):
Indiana's kind of popping, right, Caitlin Clark, Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Now, Caleb Williams, I mean this kind.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
You're seeing it with the Chiefs. You see it with
the Jets and the Giants. You see it you know
with the forty nine ers, you see it with the Commanders.
This is the reality. States have to compete. I had
a friend, I won't give his name out, I'll protect him.
He's been on the show before. Who had dinner with
the governor of Florida.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
And Monda Santis.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, and he said, you know it's it's it is
a battle. They are battling California, New York. And if
you're going to go out and you're going to be
the mayor of New York and you're gonna poke Ken
Griffin and the Ribs, you know, and and go on
your phone and do a shot, and you got his
company behind you, mocking.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Him that that was not the smartest move by your guy, Mom, Donnie,
not my guy. He's definitely your guy. I'm not a guy.
Even Trump are going to be a game three Nicks spurs.
I know you're fired up. You're into politics.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I just interviewed one governor. I'm not into politics. America's
honesty broker has to you know again, I'm I'm I'll
take all governors if they've got if we've got an issue.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah, wow, I mean you're you're just a regular Joe Rogan.
Speaker 8 (41:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
I bought you know Fox News has an opening. I better,
I better knock on some doors upstairs.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
You try to get me your job. I mean, I
didn't get a handle on all right.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I don't even know who's on. I mean, we're we're
shuffling the deck here. Josh Pate. Okay, he's still on.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
That's good.
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