August 13, 2026 • 41 mins
Greg Cosell from NFL Films joins the show and shocks Colin when he says Brock Purdy is an elite QB and what he does better than anyone else in the league right now.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's our two. It is a Thursday,
Greg co Sell in two minutes, three minutes. It's in
Chicago and we're live Bears tomorrow night in the stadium
against the Cleveland Browns here in the city. Great to
have you in. I gotta mention this Russell Westbrook eighteen
years in the NBA, nine times all NBA, led the
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NBA in scoring and multiple times and assists multiple times,
most trouble doubles ever in league history. At Russell Westbrook,
he was the classic all gas, no breaks. He feels
a little bit to me like the action star in Hollywood.
You're not getting a lot of nuance in subtlety. Nobody
thinks Vin Diesel and the Rock, or Jeremy Irons or
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Russell Crow or John Malcovit or Christian Bale. We know
what they are highly productive, give you everything they got again,
not a lot of subtlety, not a lot of nuance.
But Westbrook is not only an action star. He wanted
to do his own stunts. He never cheated the fans,
He never cheated himself. In an era of load management
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seven times eighty plus games, nobody played harder, Nobody cared more.
Legendary practice and game intensity. Westbrook could drive me nuts
one gear head down, one hundred miles an hour. But
later in his career, I went and looked it up
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this morning. Later in his career, he had a SoundBite
he was coming off the bench for the Nuggets, and
I said, I love this Westbrook. He is unbelievable energy
to the very end. Nobody played harder. He would drive
teammates and coaches crazy. Michael Jordanoa has loved him because
they had the same kind of raw intensity. But he
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had this bite after a game, and it just I
really really appreciated his self awareness.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
My ability to be able to be a force in
nature on the floor is what I pride myself phone.
So whatever that looks like, it may be a turnover,
it may be a misshot, but it may be a steal,
maybe a dunk, maybe a mystery, maybe a May three.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It's gonna be all of that.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It's gonna be everything absolutely but again, effort, desire, passion, work, ethic, unbelievable.
First ballot Hall of Fame guy again, Ask him to
hit an open eighteen foot in a big playoff spot.
He drive me nuts. And again people like this head
down one hundred miles an hour, not a lot of
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new wants, but just in terms of desire and intensity,
I mean, there's just very few players in league history that.
I mean, he'd even get after fans. That dude cared.
And when he retired, he released like a three and
a half minute video, no words. He didn't need any
His game and his desire and intensity always spoke for himself.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
What do you goo?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Russ's first ballot absolute Hall of Famer guy went to UCLA,
was like a two to three star recruit. Nobody ever
thought he could be a point guard. Everybody's like, oh,
he's a great athlete, but he can't be a point guard.
Let the NBA assists three times, just proved a lot
of people wrong. All time unique player, and I mean
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you talk about energy and intensity and strength for his weight.
He's in that MJ class like there's just not a
lot of guys bill like Westbrook. He is just to
the last sit up ripped all right, Greg Cosel forty
seven years NFL films. Well, you must like what you
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do and you're good at it, so I know you
think so I do so. I said this yesterday. His
people often want guys like me, just give me facts.
I don't need all the strong opinions. And I said, well,
are you okay? With Kyler Murray having the fifth highest
completion percentage ever the only time he had a Pro
bowler on the offensive line, the one year he had
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a passer rating over one hundred. His coach was Cliff's
Kingsbury overwhelmingly who got fired by his alma mater. But
it should be noted he got into the playoffs. It's
not a great ownership situation in his division. The Rams
won a Super Bowl, the Niners got to two, and
Seattle won a Super Bowl. So it's arguably at the
top the toughest division. I think he's not perfect, but
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I think it's gonna work. His cap hit is less
than Dylan Gabriel. It's a prove it year Greg, I
don't know Kevin O'Connell and Kyler Murray. Does it feel
like the film tell you it could work.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Well, It's funny because I spent the last week I
watched every one of his dropbacks from last year over again,
and of course I seen him every year. He's a
very interesting player because he's not truly a sequential progression
reader in the way.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
We think of that.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
I think he's going to be a function of the
play caller, and Kevin O'Connell is.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Very very good by that.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
I mean, the most important thing I think for Kyler
Murray is for the play caller to present him as
much as possible within the context of the NFL, with
the primary read being there, so he can play within
timing and rhythm, because there are strong examples, particularly in
the three step and five step drop game Colin, where
he plays very effectively with timing and rhythm. The issue
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for him is the longer he's in the pocket, because
he's small, he becomes very, very unsettled. Now, obviously he's
got tremendous ability to make plays outside of structure, and
he is so quick. So that's the balance that Kevin
O'Connell has to deal with, but I think with Kevin O'Connell,
I would expect they'll be more positive so than negatives.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
But there's no question that.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Just when you watch him play, and you watch snap
after snap after snap consistently, he's not what you'd call
a true sequential progression reader. That's not really the way
he plays, but I think he's capable of it.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I've said in my life, I always feel by about
midway or late in the second chapter of a quarterbacks book,
I kind of know what he is. A bust, solid, excellent,
or a star Dak Prescott. It took me until about
the eighth chapter. I never loved his arm. I thought
he was pretty athletic. He's one of those players that
is iq EQ and maturity go a long way to
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handle the noise. With Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. A
lot of people think this is one of his better rosters.
The old line is young but getting better, tight end, receiver,
defensive front. Where have you always been on deck? Once again,
when he's upright with three different coaches, we don't think
Schottenheimer's Andy Reid. He's highly productive. Where are you on
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Dak today?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (07:10):
You know you have to separate the quarterback from the team,
and people don't do that because they assume if a
team wins, that means the quarterback's great and if a
team loses, well, then it's the quarterback's fall. But again,
Prescott was another guy that every summer I rewatched Dak
Prescott and he is really a refined pocket player. He
knows how to play the position. There's tremendous efficiency to
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his game. He doesn't move the way he used to. Obviously,
this team theoretically is better than he's had in recent years,
and it probably starts with the defensive side of the ball.
He's been on a team the last couple of years
where the defense was just not very good. But when
you watch him play, you come away and Colin, I'm
sure you probably saw some of the Hall of Fame speeches.
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The reason I mentioned that is the way Drew Brees
spoke about the quarterback position and all the detail and
nuance that's demanded to be consistent snap after snap, quarter
after quarter, game after game, season after season. That's the
way Dak Prescott plays the position. And obviously people point to, well,
she's not in the super Bowl, that's irrelevant. Just look
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at him play the position. He plays it from the
pocket the right way.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You know, it's interesting last year Caleb Williams eliminated to
a large degree the sacks. Now, the O line was better,
but as you know, the O line isn't always the answer.
There are quarterbacks behind average O lines that get rid
of the ball quickly. I don't know if Brady ever
had the best O line in football, but you didn't
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get to him when you looked at Caleb and Ben
in the first year. It's a kind of a two
part question. What was the mechanism used to eliminate the sacks?
And did you see September to January growth? Was there
something that stood out?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yeah, Caleb Williams was a fascinating study.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
I watched all of his first down plays and all
of his third down plays this summer, and I came
away obviously we know that the throwing talent and the
movement ability is just really high level. Where I think
that the things that I'm sure Ben Johnson is working
with him with is his internal clock tends to be
a beat fast, and the reason it's a beat fast
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is because he knows that he can make plays outside
the structure of the play. He's done that his whole life,
and he does it extremely well. Throwing the ball on
the run, He's as good as anybody in the league.
But I think he needs a little more patience in
the pocket. And I guarantee Ben Johnson, and you know,
I was talking with him about this. He needs a
little better clarity from the pocket and what he sees.
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And the one thing that is a little concerning and
I want to see what happens this year, is he
missed too many routine throws with poor ball location last year.
And that's something that you know, normally people say that
can't improve, but then people point to what happened with
Josh Allen in his career. So I'm not going to
sit here and say that Caleb Williams can't do that.
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But that's something that definitely has to improve. But he's
just so physically gifted.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
We always believe that first impressions really are hard to shake.
And the Sam Darnold first three years in this league
with the Jets is I'm seeing ghosts very reckless. Now.
You know, I loved him out of college. I thought
he had to clean up. He had a little bit
of a slow delivery, but I like. I mean, I
comped him with Andrew Luck Andrew Luck far they're reckless too.
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I think Sam's big, strong, coachable, tough leadership qualities Now
that you go back and look at it, and he
has some stinkers, He'll give you one every couple of
weeks he'll throw a ball and you're like, whoa. But
then you watch him in the playoffs, he's clearly coachable
because he got rid of those. Where are you today?
It is Donald back to back years, fourteen game winner.
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Do you look at him now and think, boy, he's
cleaned up the issues? Or is it just like better environments?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
You know?
Speaker 6 (11:02):
It comes back to a point, and I know you
and I have talked about this. There's very few transcendent
quarterbacks that are going to be great, no matter what.
Think about who he's been coached by the last two years,
Kevin O'Connell and then last year Kubiak, which is sort
of a Shanahan McVeigh, you know, combination. And I think
that's so critical because what those guys do as well
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as anybody, you know, McVeigh and Shanahan might be the best.
Ben Johnson has become very good at as well. Is
They present the primary read as a clean, defined throw
against the specific coverages better than anybody in the league.
And I think the coaching element has made Sam Darnold
really really good.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
And I agree with you. You look at a guy.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
That's six four two twenty five, big arm mobile, smart aware.
You know, it just took some time until he was
really coached. Well, I mean, just to throw another name out,
think about Baker Mayfield, how he's spoken about just the
short time he spent with Sean McVay and how that
reinvigorated his entire career. So coaching is so important when
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it comes to the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Listen, I'm almost done talking about Aaron Rodgers. But the
McCarthy Rogers thing, we think of it as bad, but
they had many, many excellent years. And I've said Mike
McCarthy's resume is Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh. But yet it
was viewed as well. The Steelers settle for him. And
my take was everybody McCarthy has it can be far
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of It could be Rogers, it could be Cooper Rash,
it could be dak His offense works. It's productive. I mean,
I mean, do you where are you on? You know?
I know it's the end of the line. I kind
of think Aaron's combative nature. I think he'll I think
he'll let you know he's married, he knows it's his
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last year. How do you think they work the offense?
What Aaron can do now and what McCarthy does historically.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
It's going to be interesting to how that works out
because one of the things I've noticed with Aaron Rodgers
over the last couple of years is he hasn't really
thrown a lot of balls in the middle of the field.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
He works outside the numbers.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Now they've got receivers, there's no question, but I'll be
curious to see if McCarthy, with his scheme, his past
game scheme, pretty much demands that he worked the middle
of the field between the numbers more than.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
He has the last couple of years.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
Because he's certainly capable of making those throws physically, that's
not the point. And I can't tell you why he's
sort of been unseemingly unwilling to do that. But he's
going to have to do more of that, I think
this year in order to really have a good season.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, the when you go in the offseason and you
look at all the film that's pros against pros. But
then then now Fernando Mendoza takes on Carson Beck tonight. Now,
both of those guys had a lot of college starts.
They met in their final college games. I thought Carson
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Beck looked very poise in the Hall of Fame game.
He's got six years in college football. The NIL is
keeping these quarterbacks Haines King in another year or two,
and it pays off. They come in more prepared and
more developed. Fernando Mendoza is not what you would call
an A plus prospect, but he's got Herbert size, Matt
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Ryan kind of pocket awareness, humble, big, smart. I mean
Yale accepted him, went to cal. When you look at Fernando,
now you go to the NFL, greg everything gets sped up.
He doesn't have an elite offensive line. What is realistic
with Clint Kubiak the offense? You know, well, what is
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realistic as a rookie?
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Well, the number one thing for him, I think will
be how he handles the balls that have to be
thrown between the numbers. You did not see a lot
of that at Indiana simply because that was not foundationally.
How they played offense and Also it was an RPO,
which is a very quick game. But I'm talking about
the the intermediate throws, let's say, from twelve to twenty
two yards between the numbers, because one of the things
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that is a transition for college quarterbacks to the NFL
is the game has played much more in the middle
of the field.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Not outside.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
And he was a great back shoulder thrower in college,
and those are really important throws. But he didn't throw
a lot of balls twelve to twenty two yards between
the numbers. And very often when you make that transition,
it seems like there's fifteen defenders on the field because
it's just a much more condensed look because of where
the hash marks are. So that would be the number
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one thing I would look at. You may not get
a sense of that, you know, tonight, in this first
game at all. Just like I mean, I thought Carson
Beck was obviously very good, but I would say that
game the Hall of Fame game. There's almost zero correlation
between that game and playing in an NFL game. But
what coaches are looking for is good execution, and he
executed at a very high level.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
But that's to me.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
With Mendoza, the thing I would look for if he
gets a chance to play Earlie my senses and might
be cousins being the starter week one.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Okay, I'm gonna end with this because for years and
years I loved Russell Wilson. And you said, he said he,
It's almost like he it's a planned ad lib. You
were always a bit confounded. You were never as high
as I was. And you know the truth was, he
aged very quickly, And I said earlier today, Jalen Hurts
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is a little like Russell Wilson. They had great running backs,
they had great general managers. They were smaller than you'd like.
They had a very unique style where at times they
struggled to see over the middle of the field. Both
throw a very nice deep ball, and both went to
the podium and always said the right thing. They were
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very mature. Some would say cringey and predictable. But I
do see sometimes with Hurts a little bit of Russell Wilson,
whereas like maybe a better leader, Vinn is necessarily a
pocket quarterback when but bye Bud. Both got to a
couple of Super Bowls, both capable of winning a Super Bowl.
It's not that, but they deviate from the classic big
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tall great in the pocket. That's not what they are.
Do you see any comms when you think of old
Russell in his prime and Jalen now.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Well, I think you'd probably agree that the Eagles and
their new pass offense is one of the most intriguing narratives,
so to speak, because we don't know the answer to
this in this season's NFL. Because that new offense is
a one hundred and eighty degree turn. He's going to
be under center more. There's going to be a lot
more play action passing where you turn your back to
the defense, which is a learned trade. By the way,
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when you turn your back, there's going to be a
lot more reduced splits. There's going to be a lot
more shifts and motions. These are new things for Jalen Hurts. Now,
Jalen Hurts is a veteran quarterback who's had a lot
of success in the league. So I'm not going to
sit here today, Colin and say he can't do it.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Guys had a lot of success.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
So but the bottom line is it's new, so it's
going to be a work in progress. That would be
the case with anybody, any quarterback, unless you're you know,
thirty five years old, and you've been in the league
forever and ever. It's just a work in progress. But
you know it's going to be different because there's a
real precise, choreographed timing element to this offense, and you
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can't be off. It's a game of milliseconds. The quarterback
position in the NFL is a game of milliseconds, and
if you're off by the slightest bit, you're off. And
that's something that he'll have to learn and work at
through this offense.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, it is. You know, you you watch so much film.
It's just it's a fascinating year where at least four
new teams make the playoffs averages six seven coaches will
get fired, fourteen teams will make the playoffs. There's always
there's always a wild card. There's always a wild card.
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The let me throw this at you. John Middelkoff and
I just did our five bowld choices, and one of
John's was, everybody's watching the Rams, but Stafford's getting old.
Everybody's watching the Seahawks, but they bring back mostly the
same Super Bowl team. That can be problematic. He said,
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go look when Brock Purdy was upright they're winning games.
They beat last year Seattle, they beat Philadelphia and Philadelphia.
Purdy's fascinating because I've had two NFL players tell me
to my face that have played with him like that.
Dude sees the field so quickly, is so star degnitively,
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just unbelievable ability to see it. Let it rip go.
They're an old, old team, and you're not in the
business of predicting wins, But would you be shocked if
in a division where the world thinks the Rams in
Seattle are the two best teams, if San Francisco want
it based on their age, based on you know, there's
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Mike Evans and Christian Kirker. Interesting pieces.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Yeah, well I'll say this. Look, you know me, I'm
not in the prediction business, but I love what you
said about Purdy because more and more, at the larger
point about Purty, more and more in this league, with
the way defenses are playing, changing the picture pre snap
to post snap, you have to be what we call
a post snap operator, and Purdy is as good a
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post snap operator as any quarterback in the league. Is
innate feel for seeing defensive movement after the snap of
the ball and coverage rotation is really high level, and
now quarterbacks have to be able to do that because,
like I said, the picture you get pre snap, you
know everybody's pointing to things and all that. That's great,
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but that's not what it's going to be after the
ball is snap, particularly in pure pass and third down situations,
and that's where Brock Purdy absolutely excels. He is an
elite processor in the post snap face.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, that's what Sam Darnold said. He processes faster than
anybody he's ever played with. Oh, I got one more question. Listen,
sure I was. I thought Jackson Dart was a top
of the second, middle of the second quarterback. I did
think having Lane Kiff in multiple years really helped. And
then he got Brian Dables, so he had good offensive coaches.
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He's got to stay out of the blue tent. It'd
be nice if Malik Neighbors and Andrew Thomason Scattaboo could
stay healthy. When you look at all the snaps of
Jackson Dart, if you didn't know his college career, if
you didn't know anything, did you go he's better than
I thought, or he's what I thought. What were your
interpretations when you went back and looked at him.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
I thought he threw the ball better than I thought.
I think the next step for him, and it's not
a surprise to me at all, particularly with quarterback that
have good athletic ability, is the next step for him
is better patience in the pocket, allowing place to develop,
not breaking down prematurely. And some of that comes with
seeing it better and seeing it quicker. As I said,
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it's a game of milliseconds because the quarterbacks that don't
see it exactly right, particularly when they have that movement
ability Colin, they end up breaking the pocket prematurely. That's
the next step for him. But I thought he threw
it better than I thought. I thought watching his tape
this summer, he made some very good throws. He just
needs to be a little more settled in the pocket
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and let the offense work.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah. No, I fully admit I said, I think he's
a little bit of a reach in the first round.
But you know, like you said earlier, coaching matters. Lane
Kiffin's a pretty good college coach here. Sarker Lincoln Riley
have proven that if you get them in college, you
go to the pro. It's a little bit of us.
It's a head start and that helps, all right.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Yeah, no's I'm anxious to see Darth this year again.
Hopefully all those guys are healthy and they can play
with a full compliment, you.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Know, forty seven years. This is sort of our week one.
There's a bunch of games tonight. I'll be watching all
of them. I love Carson Beck and Fernando Mendoza. That's
so much fun. Greg is always great seeing you.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Thanks, can look forward to it every week.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah. The you know, listen where you land matters. Who
was your college coach? You know at Old Miss with
Lane Kiffen. You know, they had good players, very good place.
They didn't have Georgia players. They didn't have Ohio State
or Texas players or maybe Notre Dame players. So it's
like Jackson Dart had to initiate some of the offense
and had to be clever and creative. And I thought
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it's kind of a second round guy. Nope, wrong, He's
a first rounder, no question about it. To stay out
of that blue tent.
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Speaker 1 (25:06):
Welcome in. Dodgers just swept the pathetic royal things are
turning out. John Middlecop with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Well, I wouldn't exactly call this Montana vers young in
the late eighties. But Watson and Shador Sanders they've been
splitting first team reps here in Browns camp, and we
finally have some clarity on the preseason game plan. Watson
will start the opener against the Bears on Saturday, and
then Shador will start the game too. Todd Mounkin said,
we can expect the starter to play at least one half.
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Both quarterbacks, Deshaun and Shador, spoke to the media.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Let's take a listen to hear what they're thinking.
Speaker 9 (25:54):
I'm super excited. I think are the hard work that
I put in with the train of staff, with my team,
my personal team, to you know, get to the stage
has been tremendous for myself. So I'm super excited.
Speaker 10 (26:09):
We approach practice like a game, so it's the same
amount of focus and seriousness that it is. So that's
why I'm excited. Excited to feel because like, how similar
does it feel to practice, honestly, because it's a different
type of intention and the mentality.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Can't wait gonna watch them both. I'll be up in
the one of those bougie boxes, having a fresco clarity
and no messing around I I'm on team shoulder here.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
I one thing about the preseason, when you have situations
like this where none of the fans want.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
The guy that's probably gonna end up starting week one.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
If you play well during the like if she Door
was just throwing a couple of touchdowns East preseason game,
there'll be so much public moment them it'll be very
difficult because clear listen, I don't necessarily blame Jimmy Haslam.
I mean I do for you know, Deshaun didn't want
to come. He gave him all the guaranteed money. But
at this point in twenty twenty six, it's like we're
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paying them fifty million dollars. Let's just see if there's
anything there for a game or two. If it doesn't,
the team's probably not gonna be good. We'll go to
the young guy. But if Shador is just dominating these
preseason games and Watson looks like he's looked, I don't
see how they could not start Shador week one.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Oh yeah. Again, when you're when you're not only not
in the Super Bowl bubble, but you're not really viewed
as a playoff team, you know, and you're you're you're
talking about selling tickets and and and again, there's two
reasons to start Shadi Sanders. Number one is we know
what Deshaun Watson is at this point. I mean, if
you started both for the entire year, what if DeShawn
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would win another game from four to five? Who cares? Secondly,
you need to find out. You got to find out
if Shadur can play. Give him a majority of the schedule,
because what if he can, what if he develops. I
don't think he's ever going to be a great quarterback,
but I do think he's a lower end franchise quarterback.
I could be totally wrong. There's something there. And every
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time he's at the podium recently, he's a little more
mature than he was last year. Not everybody matures at
the same speed or the same rate. So I just
think there's so many reasons. When you're not a super
Bowl team and not really viewed in their division as
a playoff team, let me see if the young guy
can play. This is not the Rams going into a season,
and this is a team that you're really looking at
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next year's loaded draft, and it would be nice if
you could pick the second or the third quarterback and
not the fourth of the fifth.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
It's not an apples to apples comparison because the New
York market is so massive. But the Knicks, they finally
got it together these last couple of years. Everything went well,
they won a championship. But that's a basketball town. When
you think Ohio, they love football in the state of
Ohio and specifically Cleveland, they have been so bad and
the Knicks fans for so many years were just like
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the laughing stock of the league.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
That's kind of been the Browns.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
But you turn on some of their games, if they're
in the mix, you hear those guys banging, you know,
on the side of the You almost feel bad for
the fans, you know, because they've just been so awful
in a division full of marquee franchises.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
And does feel like they're kind of trending in the.
Speaker 8 (29:19):
Right direction now, but they got to get this quarterback
situation figure out. After tearing his ACL in Week four
last year, Elik neighbors he's started practicing regularly as throughout
the Giants training camp, and yesterday John Harbaugh told reporters
then a move to full practice participation could come later
this week in the preseason open.
Speaker 11 (29:43):
Yeah, he's kind of exactly where he's been, and we're
looking towards soon ramping him up into some group periods
and perhaps some team periods. Maybe next week we'll see.
He's doing great, he's working hard, spirits are high, and yeah,
see we're at next week.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, they got a lot of young players who get
banged up old guys. I get young guys I don't love,
but it's interesting. I think they're gonna double their win
total from four to eight maybe nine. I'm not crazy here, Like,
I don't think they're gonna win thirteen games, but I
do think I've done it five years in a row.
I picked the double your win total team. If you
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could give me, honestly, twelve to thirteen weeks of molik
neighbors and scataboo, Like, I'm not asking for the full season.
I look at the Giant schedule. There's a lot of
wins there. There's a lot of wins on that schedule.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
I do think it's pretty important for them.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
I think I saw a headline yesterday that Odell Beckham
is going to play a lot in this preseason. Their
wide receiver unit isn't exactly you know, blowing people away here.
So this guy is a freak talent obviously had a
chance to be just a consistent pro bowler. But if
he does, if you tell me he's in and out
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of lineup all season long, I don't know if I
could get there with you and being an eight or
nine win team because I just look at their offensive weapons.
It's not great, and I still think we got questions defense.
John Harbaugh actually looks like he could play. I mean,
that guy's in great shape for a game in the
sixties right now. Geez, here's you know Malik nighbors former
teammate at LSU, Jaden Daniels. I don't know if you
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saw this story this morning, he's a issued a ceasoned
assist letter to LSU demanding the school no longer use
his nil name, image, and likeness.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Daniels is very upset.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
They've led a sophomore dB where his number five jersey
that obviously.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Daniels wore when he won the Heisman.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I guess.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
According to another report today, he's asked for like the
official version of heisman anyone that's ever been you know,
Hallas Hall or whateverever, and they have the actual heismans
that the players have won over the course he wants
to return to him, so he is not happy. RG
three former Heisman winner chimed in with some takes.
Speaker 12 (32:06):
This season desist letter from Jayden Daniels team is a
colossal mistake for three reasons. Reason number one, Jersey retirements
are an honor. It's not something to be demanded, and
it certainly isn't something you should try to strong arm
your school into doing for you. Reason number two, Jayden
Daniels team has put him in direct odds with the
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LSU fan base. And number three, the Washington Commanders are
in their most important season and Jayden Daniels is going
into the most important year of.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
His entire career.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Agree. Agree, Agree. It's like guys, who I mean, first
of all, unless you're Tim Tebow or Reggie Bush, Like,
you know, there's some college guys for sure. I mean
Tim Tebow jumps out bench young at Texas, like by
all means retied Cam Newton at Auburn, retire that Jude
LSU had Joe Burrow like hey here, you know, it's
like give me a break.
Speaker 8 (33:02):
Well, you know, Auburn did retire Cams Jersey as well
as as well as Bo Jackson. But let's go to
Florida's go way.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Back in the day.
Speaker 8 (33:11):
Spurrier, one of the great college quarterback Heisman Trophy and
Tim Tebow, many consider one of the most accomplished college
players ever have now retired a Jersey. Alabama, that other
school in the SEC that some would consider the most
historic program.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
In the history of the sport. Zero Jersey's retired.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
So Joe Burrows Jersey is not being warned, but it's
not officially retired.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Jayden.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
The other thing is Brian Kelly, the coach that coached him,
is no longer. Lane is trying to keep this dB
because I'm sure Ohio State tried to sign him in
the portal. I mean, yeah, kid, you can wear whatever
jersey you want. Jaden Daniels weirder. They got too much
time on their hands here. The SEC will turn on
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you fast.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Colin too.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
And the other thing is Jaden a lot of these
young quarterbacks get managers and agents and they get the
wrong people around him. This You see this all the
time where they make bad choices, like somebody in the
Jaden Daniels camp step in agent or manager. This is
a non starter. Get your your college is over get
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over it. Nobody cares.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
I just don't even think it's that egregious, just using
that college.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
Anyone that watches a college football game on Saturday and
then you turn on some you notice there's half as
many people on the sideline. You got one hundred kids
on the team.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
You know, there are only so.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Many numbers you can wear. Collin I mean, I think
Lane Kiffin. I'm sure some people are gonna point the feet.
This is one hundred percent of Jaden Daniels issue. It's
not an LSU problem.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah, agree, John Middlecoff with the News, Well.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd line.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I mean sometimes off the field stuff makes me feel
less about a player, like this is bad for Jaden
dan You're you're in a you better get it right
year three. You've been banged up the first two years.
They're stuff upstairs, your coaches on the hot seat. You
don't have a lot of young talent. I mean that
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that the Washington needs, like an infusion of like back
to back great drafts. They're they're they got a little old,
and you're worrying about your college number. Who cares?
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Speaker 5 (35:50):
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Speaker 1 (35:54):
We've been to a lot of Canada, not Ontario. Dodgers
swept the Royals. It's really interesting. So everybody thinks Dodgers
ruining baseball. Just go deep diving on the numbers. So
against teams that are just five hundred or better, don't
have to be great five hundred or better. The Dodgers
are thirty two and thirty and have won eleven of
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twenty series eleven of twenty, about five hundred, basically close
to it. Against teams with losing records, bad teams, they
mop up forty one to eighteen, dominate the series, you know, one,
fourteen to nineteen. So basically, the excellent Red Sox swept them,
the very strong Cubs swept them, The good but not
great Diamondbacks won two to three, and they sweep the Royals.
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And it wasn't easy. So of their eleven most expensive
players eleven most expensive players based on the luxury tax.
Nine of eleven are over thirty. And I was saying
this this morning. They remind me of the forty nine ers.
They have a great coach or manager, iconic West Coast brand.
They to the championship round a couple of times in
the last five years. But the Dodgers have seven players
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thirty or over and many of them way over, and
the Niners have six players thirty and over. Trent Williams
is thirty eight, So you got to kind of cross
your fingers.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Now Blake Snell, who's a veteran pitcher the Dodgers got
a couple of years ago. He's healthy. Again, cross your
fingers because he is great. But you know, one of
these goes all in on analytics, Dodgers. One goes all
in on Kyle Shanahan and the coach. That's the forty
nine Ers. But they're very similar to these massive brands,
and you know they've gotten all in. The Niners keep
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just adding older players, and the Dodgers go all in
with big contracts to veteran players. And the problem is
you can do a Thelma and Louise very quickly, you
get old and go off a cliff, very very quickly.
And both the nine Niners and Dodgers are well capitalized,
very wealthy owners. But you know, Shanahan, you got to
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cross your fingers on health and that's what you're doing.
Now with the Dodgers. Here's Dave Roberts this week on
their you know, three week struggles.
Speaker 13 (38:07):
We're in a playoff race, you know, trying to win
the division number one, number two, you know, capture one
of the first two playoff spots, and you know this
is this is go time, and so you know, I'm
going to manage according like I said. And we've seen
enough of a sample of guys and what they've done
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this year, and so you know, everyone understands it's about winning.
So it's not about feelings.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, So again mopped up on bad teams. Right now,
here come the Milwaukee Brewers. The town and Milwaukee I
think went six for six against the Dodgers last year
in the regular season, and their pitching's hot, and so
Red Sox swept them, cob swept them, Arizona beat them.
I would imagine this is a losing series for the Dodgers.
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So this whole you know, to me they're the Niners,
which is I mean, John predicted they would win their division.
People think the Dodgers will win the World Series. But man,
when you get old, not only do your players get
hurt more often, they heal more slowly. Right, And you
look in division with the Niners and then the Rams
defense and the Seahawks are pretty young. You start looking around.
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The Brewers are kind of young, Braves are good. Cubs
are good, Cubs kind of young in spots. Dodgers are
the second oldest team in baseball. So this is a
you know, it's just the reality that you know, again,
Blake Snell, if he was healthy this point forward, that's
a guy that can win a couple of games in
a playoff series. But and you know Otani Freeman again,
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they can catch fire. Nobody's counting them out again. Dodgers
are the kind of team manager, you know, trade deadlines done.
They upgraded to Trek Scooble and that take onse. Okay,
that'll be the difference. Not really, I think until this
suitep they had the worst record in baseball since that acquisition.
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So there we go. Okay, tonight it is a big one.
Greg co Sell and I talked about it Eric Mangini
Last Hour, our final hour. This week, we're dark tomorrow.
It is the Raiders and the Arizona Cardinals at maybe
the last time in the history of the league. This
game is interesting, but I will be all dialed in
tonight and just give me. Kirk Cousins is going to
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start this season? What do you think about six weeks in?
About six weeks in, everybody's like, listen, we're two and four.
We're not going anywhere. Let the young man play. I
can't wait. I don't think there's been you know, I
didn't go into the year knowing anything about Fernando Mendoza,
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heard his name, I knew he played at Cal. Sixteen
games later, they went all of them. I'm like, I
want that guy running my franchise. Hour three coming up
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's our two. It is a Thursday,
Greg co Sell in two minutes, three minutes. It's in
Chicago and we're live Bears tomorrow night in the stadium
against the Cleveland Browns here in the city. Great to
have you in. I gotta mention this Russell Westbrook eighteen
years in the NBA, nine times all NBA, led the
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NBA in scoring and multiple times and assists multiple times,
most trouble doubles ever in league history. At Russell Westbrook,
he was the classic all gas, no breaks. He feels
a little bit to me like the action star in Hollywood.
You're not getting a lot of nuance in subtlety. Nobody
thinks Vin Diesel and the Rock, or Jeremy Irons or
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Russell Crow or John Malcovit or Christian Bale. We know
what they are highly productive, give you everything they got again,
not a lot of subtlety, not a lot of nuance.
But Westbrook is not only an action star. He wanted
to do his own stunts. He never cheated the fans,
He never cheated himself. In an era of load management
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seven times eighty plus games, nobody played harder, Nobody cared more.
Legendary practice and game intensity. Westbrook could drive me nuts
one gear head down, one hundred miles an hour. But
later in his career, I went and looked it up
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this morning. Later in his career, he had a SoundBite
he was coming off the bench for the Nuggets, and
I said, I love this Westbrook. He is unbelievable energy
to the very end. Nobody played harder. He would drive
teammates and coaches crazy. Michael Jordanoa has loved him because
they had the same kind of raw intensity. But he
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had this bite after a game, and it just I
really really appreciated his self awareness.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
My ability to be able to be a force in
nature on the floor is what I pride myself phone.
So whatever that looks like, it may be a turnover,
it may be a misshot, but it may be a steal,
maybe a dunk, maybe a mystery, maybe a May three.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It's gonna be all of that.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It's gonna be everything absolutely but again, effort, desire, passion, work, ethic, unbelievable.
First ballot Hall of Fame guy again, Ask him to
hit an open eighteen foot in a big playoff spot.
He drive me nuts. And again people like this head
down one hundred miles an hour, not a lot of
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new wants, but just in terms of desire and intensity,
I mean, there's just very few players in league history that.
I mean, he'd even get after fans. That dude cared.
And when he retired, he released like a three and
a half minute video, no words. He didn't need any
His game and his desire and intensity always spoke for himself.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
What do you goo?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Russ's first ballot absolute Hall of Famer guy went to UCLA,
was like a two to three star recruit. Nobody ever
thought he could be a point guard. Everybody's like, oh,
he's a great athlete, but he can't be a point guard.
Let the NBA assists three times, just proved a lot
of people wrong. All time unique player, and I mean
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you talk about energy and intensity and strength for his weight.
He's in that MJ class like there's just not a
lot of guys bill like Westbrook. He is just to
the last sit up ripped all right, Greg Cosel forty
seven years NFL films. Well, you must like what you
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do and you're good at it, so I know you
think so I do so. I said this yesterday. His
people often want guys like me, just give me facts.
I don't need all the strong opinions. And I said, well,
are you okay? With Kyler Murray having the fifth highest
completion percentage ever the only time he had a Pro
bowler on the offensive line, the one year he had
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a passer rating over one hundred. His coach was Cliff's
Kingsbury overwhelmingly who got fired by his alma mater. But
it should be noted he got into the playoffs. It's
not a great ownership situation in his division. The Rams
won a Super Bowl, the Niners got to two, and
Seattle won a Super Bowl. So it's arguably at the
top the toughest division. I think he's not perfect, but
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I think it's gonna work. His cap hit is less
than Dylan Gabriel. It's a prove it year Greg, I
don't know Kevin O'Connell and Kyler Murray. Does it feel
like the film tell you it could work.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Well, It's funny because I spent the last week I
watched every one of his dropbacks from last year over again,
and of course I seen him every year. He's a
very interesting player because he's not truly a sequential progression
reader in the way.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
We think of that.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
I think he's going to be a function of the
play caller, and Kevin O'Connell is.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Very very good by that.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
I mean, the most important thing I think for Kyler
Murray is for the play caller to present him as
much as possible within the context of the NFL, with
the primary read being there, so he can play within
timing and rhythm, because there are strong examples, particularly in
the three step and five step drop game Colin, where
he plays very effectively with timing and rhythm. The issue
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for him is the longer he's in the pocket, because
he's small, he becomes very, very unsettled. Now, obviously he's
got tremendous ability to make plays outside of structure, and
he is so quick. So that's the balance that Kevin
O'Connell has to deal with, but I think with Kevin O'Connell,
I would expect they'll be more positive so than negatives.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
But there's no question that.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Just when you watch him play, and you watch snap
after snap after snap consistently, he's not what you'd call
a true sequential progression reader. That's not really the way
he plays, but I think he's capable of it.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I've said in my life, I always feel by about
midway or late in the second chapter of a quarterbacks book,
I kind of know what he is. A bust, solid, excellent,
or a star Dak Prescott. It took me until about
the eighth chapter. I never loved his arm. I thought
he was pretty athletic. He's one of those players that
is iq EQ and maturity go a long way to
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handle the noise. With Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. A
lot of people think this is one of his better rosters.
The old line is young but getting better, tight end, receiver,
defensive front. Where have you always been on deck? Once again,
when he's upright with three different coaches, we don't think
Schottenheimer's Andy Reid. He's highly productive. Where are you on
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Dak today?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (07:10):
You know you have to separate the quarterback from the team,
and people don't do that because they assume if a
team wins, that means the quarterback's great and if a
team loses, well, then it's the quarterback's fall. But again,
Prescott was another guy that every summer I rewatched Dak
Prescott and he is really a refined pocket player. He
knows how to play the position. There's tremendous efficiency to
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his game. He doesn't move the way he used to. Obviously,
this team theoretically is better than he's had in recent years,
and it probably starts with the defensive side of the ball.
He's been on a team the last couple of years
where the defense was just not very good. But when
you watch him play, you come away and Colin, I'm
sure you probably saw some of the Hall of Fame speeches.
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The reason I mentioned that is the way Drew Brees
spoke about the quarterback position and all the detail and
nuance that's demanded to be consistent snap after snap, quarter
after quarter, game after game, season after season. That's the
way Dak Prescott plays the position. And obviously people point to, well,
she's not in the super Bowl, that's irrelevant. Just look
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at him play the position. He plays it from the
pocket the right way.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You know, it's interesting last year Caleb Williams eliminated to
a large degree the sacks. Now, the O line was better,
but as you know, the O line isn't always the answer.
There are quarterbacks behind average O lines that get rid
of the ball quickly. I don't know if Brady ever
had the best O line in football, but you didn't
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get to him when you looked at Caleb and Ben
in the first year. It's a kind of a two
part question. What was the mechanism used to eliminate the sacks?
And did you see September to January growth? Was there
something that stood out?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yeah, Caleb Williams was a fascinating study.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
I watched all of his first down plays and all
of his third down plays this summer, and I came
away obviously we know that the throwing talent and the
movement ability is just really high level. Where I think
that the things that I'm sure Ben Johnson is working
with him with is his internal clock tends to be
a beat fast, and the reason it's a beat fast
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is because he knows that he can make plays outside
the structure of the play. He's done that his whole life,
and he does it extremely well. Throwing the ball on
the run, He's as good as anybody in the league.
But I think he needs a little more patience in
the pocket. And I guarantee Ben Johnson, and you know,
I was talking with him about this. He needs a
little better clarity from the pocket and what he sees.
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And the one thing that is a little concerning and
I want to see what happens this year, is he
missed too many routine throws with poor ball location last year.
And that's something that you know, normally people say that
can't improve, but then people point to what happened with
Josh Allen in his career. So I'm not going to
sit here and say that Caleb Williams can't do that.
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But that's something that definitely has to improve. But he's
just so physically gifted.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
We always believe that first impressions really are hard to shake.
And the Sam Darnold first three years in this league
with the Jets is I'm seeing ghosts very reckless. Now.
You know, I loved him out of college. I thought
he had to clean up. He had a little bit
of a slow delivery, but I like. I mean, I
comped him with Andrew Luck Andrew Luck far they're reckless too.
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I think Sam's big, strong, coachable, tough leadership qualities Now
that you go back and look at it, and he
has some stinkers, He'll give you one every couple of
weeks he'll throw a ball and you're like, whoa. But
then you watch him in the playoffs, he's clearly coachable
because he got rid of those. Where are you today?
It is Donald back to back years, fourteen game winner.
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Do you look at him now and think, boy, he's
cleaned up the issues? Or is it just like better environments?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
You know?
Speaker 6 (11:02):
It comes back to a point, and I know you
and I have talked about this. There's very few transcendent
quarterbacks that are going to be great, no matter what.
Think about who he's been coached by the last two years,
Kevin O'Connell and then last year Kubiak, which is sort
of a Shanahan McVeigh, you know, combination. And I think
that's so critical because what those guys do as well
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as anybody, you know, McVeigh and Shanahan might be the best.
Ben Johnson has become very good at as well. Is
They present the primary read as a clean, defined throw
against the specific coverages better than anybody in the league.
And I think the coaching element has made Sam Darnold
really really good.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
And I agree with you. You look at a guy.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
That's six four two twenty five, big arm mobile, smart aware.
You know, it just took some time until he was
really coached. Well, I mean, just to throw another name out,
think about Baker Mayfield, how he's spoken about just the
short time he spent with Sean McVay and how that
reinvigorated his entire career. So coaching is so important when
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it comes to the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Listen, I'm almost done talking about Aaron Rodgers. But the
McCarthy Rogers thing, we think of it as bad, but
they had many, many excellent years. And I've said Mike
McCarthy's resume is Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh. But yet it
was viewed as well. The Steelers settle for him. And
my take was everybody McCarthy has it can be far
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of It could be Rogers, it could be Cooper Rash,
it could be dak His offense works. It's productive. I mean,
I mean, do you where are you on? You know?
I know it's the end of the line. I kind
of think Aaron's combative nature. I think he'll I think
he'll let you know he's married, he knows it's his
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last year. How do you think they work the offense?
What Aaron can do now and what McCarthy does historically.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
It's going to be interesting to how that works out
because one of the things I've noticed with Aaron Rodgers
over the last couple of years is he hasn't really
thrown a lot of balls in the middle of the field.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
He works outside the numbers.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Now they've got receivers, there's no question, but I'll be
curious to see if McCarthy, with his scheme, his past
game scheme, pretty much demands that he worked the middle
of the field between the numbers more than.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
He has the last couple of years.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
Because he's certainly capable of making those throws physically, that's
not the point. And I can't tell you why he's
sort of been unseemingly unwilling to do that. But he's
going to have to do more of that, I think
this year in order to really have a good season.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, the when you go in the offseason and you
look at all the film that's pros against pros. But
then then now Fernando Mendoza takes on Carson Beck tonight. Now,
both of those guys had a lot of college starts.
They met in their final college games. I thought Carson
(13:59):
Beck looked very poise in the Hall of Fame game.
He's got six years in college football. The NIL is
keeping these quarterbacks Haines King in another year or two,
and it pays off. They come in more prepared and
more developed. Fernando Mendoza is not what you would call
an A plus prospect, but he's got Herbert size, Matt
(14:19):
Ryan kind of pocket awareness, humble, big, smart. I mean
Yale accepted him, went to cal. When you look at Fernando,
now you go to the NFL, greg everything gets sped up.
He doesn't have an elite offensive line. What is realistic
with Clint Kubiak the offense? You know, well, what is
(14:41):
realistic as a rookie?
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Well, the number one thing for him, I think will
be how he handles the balls that have to be
thrown between the numbers. You did not see a lot
of that at Indiana simply because that was not foundationally.
How they played offense and Also it was an RPO,
which is a very quick game. But I'm talking about
the the intermediate throws, let's say, from twelve to twenty
two yards between the numbers, because one of the things
(15:06):
that is a transition for college quarterbacks to the NFL
is the game has played much more in the middle
of the field.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Not outside.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
And he was a great back shoulder thrower in college,
and those are really important throws. But he didn't throw
a lot of balls twelve to twenty two yards between
the numbers. And very often when you make that transition,
it seems like there's fifteen defenders on the field because
it's just a much more condensed look because of where
the hash marks are. So that would be the number
(15:35):
one thing I would look at. You may not get
a sense of that, you know, tonight, in this first
game at all. Just like I mean, I thought Carson
Beck was obviously very good, but I would say that
game the Hall of Fame game. There's almost zero correlation
between that game and playing in an NFL game. But
what coaches are looking for is good execution, and he
executed at a very high level.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
But that's to me.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
With Mendoza, the thing I would look for if he
gets a chance to play Earlie my senses and might
be cousins being the starter week one.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Okay, I'm gonna end with this because for years and
years I loved Russell Wilson. And you said, he said he,
It's almost like he it's a planned ad lib. You
were always a bit confounded. You were never as high
as I was. And you know the truth was, he
aged very quickly, And I said earlier today, Jalen Hurts
(16:28):
is a little like Russell Wilson. They had great running backs,
they had great general managers. They were smaller than you'd like.
They had a very unique style where at times they
struggled to see over the middle of the field. Both
throw a very nice deep ball, and both went to
the podium and always said the right thing. They were
(16:50):
very mature. Some would say cringey and predictable. But I
do see sometimes with Hurts a little bit of Russell Wilson,
whereas like maybe a better leader, Vinn is necessarily a
pocket quarterback when but bye Bud. Both got to a
couple of Super Bowls, both capable of winning a Super Bowl.
It's not that, but they deviate from the classic big
(17:12):
tall great in the pocket. That's not what they are.
Do you see any comms when you think of old
Russell in his prime and Jalen now.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Well, I think you'd probably agree that the Eagles and
their new pass offense is one of the most intriguing narratives,
so to speak, because we don't know the answer to
this in this season's NFL. Because that new offense is
a one hundred and eighty degree turn. He's going to
be under center more. There's going to be a lot
more play action passing where you turn your back to
the defense, which is a learned trade. By the way,
(17:44):
when you turn your back, there's going to be a
lot more reduced splits. There's going to be a lot
more shifts and motions. These are new things for Jalen Hurts. Now,
Jalen Hurts is a veteran quarterback who's had a lot
of success in the league. So I'm not going to
sit here today, Colin and say he can't do it.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Guys had a lot of success.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
So but the bottom line is it's new, so it's
going to be a work in progress. That would be
the case with anybody, any quarterback, unless you're you know,
thirty five years old, and you've been in the league
forever and ever. It's just a work in progress. But
you know it's going to be different because there's a
real precise, choreographed timing element to this offense, and you
(18:24):
can't be off. It's a game of milliseconds. The quarterback
position in the NFL is a game of milliseconds, and
if you're off by the slightest bit, you're off. And
that's something that he'll have to learn and work at
through this offense.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, it is. You know, you you watch so much film.
It's just it's a fascinating year where at least four
new teams make the playoffs averages six seven coaches will
get fired, fourteen teams will make the playoffs. There's always
there's always a wild card. There's always a wild card.
(19:05):
The let me throw this at you. John Middelkoff and
I just did our five bowld choices, and one of
John's was, everybody's watching the Rams, but Stafford's getting old.
Everybody's watching the Seahawks, but they bring back mostly the
same Super Bowl team. That can be problematic. He said,
(19:26):
go look when Brock Purdy was upright they're winning games.
They beat last year Seattle, they beat Philadelphia and Philadelphia.
Purdy's fascinating because I've had two NFL players tell me
to my face that have played with him like that.
Dude sees the field so quickly, is so star degnitively,
(19:47):
just unbelievable ability to see it. Let it rip go.
They're an old, old team, and you're not in the
business of predicting wins, But would you be shocked if
in a division where the world thinks the Rams in
Seattle are the two best teams, if San Francisco want
it based on their age, based on you know, there's
(20:11):
Mike Evans and Christian Kirker. Interesting pieces.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Yeah, well I'll say this. Look, you know me, I'm
not in the prediction business, but I love what you
said about Purdy because more and more, at the larger
point about Purty, more and more in this league, with
the way defenses are playing, changing the picture pre snap
to post snap, you have to be what we call
a post snap operator, and Purdy is as good a
(20:35):
post snap operator as any quarterback in the league. Is
innate feel for seeing defensive movement after the snap of
the ball and coverage rotation is really high level, and
now quarterbacks have to be able to do that because,
like I said, the picture you get pre snap, you
know everybody's pointing to things and all that. That's great,
(20:55):
but that's not what it's going to be after the
ball is snap, particularly in pure pass and third down situations,
and that's where Brock Purdy absolutely excels. He is an
elite processor in the post snap face.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, that's what Sam Darnold said. He processes faster than
anybody he's ever played with. Oh, I got one more question. Listen,
sure I was. I thought Jackson Dart was a top
of the second, middle of the second quarterback. I did
think having Lane Kiff in multiple years really helped. And
then he got Brian Dables, so he had good offensive coaches.
(21:29):
He's got to stay out of the blue tent. It'd
be nice if Malik Neighbors and Andrew Thomason Scattaboo could
stay healthy. When you look at all the snaps of
Jackson Dart, if you didn't know his college career, if
you didn't know anything, did you go he's better than
I thought, or he's what I thought. What were your
interpretations when you went back and looked at him.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
I thought he threw the ball better than I thought.
I think the next step for him, and it's not
a surprise to me at all, particularly with quarterback that
have good athletic ability, is the next step for him
is better patience in the pocket, allowing place to develop,
not breaking down prematurely. And some of that comes with
seeing it better and seeing it quicker. As I said,
(22:14):
it's a game of milliseconds because the quarterbacks that don't
see it exactly right, particularly when they have that movement
ability Colin, they end up breaking the pocket prematurely. That's
the next step for him. But I thought he threw
it better than I thought. I thought watching his tape
this summer, he made some very good throws. He just
needs to be a little more settled in the pocket
(22:35):
and let the offense work.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah. No, I fully admit I said, I think he's
a little bit of a reach in the first round.
But you know, like you said earlier, coaching matters. Lane
Kiffin's a pretty good college coach here. Sarker Lincoln Riley
have proven that if you get them in college, you
go to the pro. It's a little bit of us.
It's a head start and that helps, all right.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Yeah, no's I'm anxious to see Darth this year again.
Hopefully all those guys are healthy and they can play
with a full compliment, you.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Know, forty seven years. This is sort of our week one.
There's a bunch of games tonight. I'll be watching all
of them. I love Carson Beck and Fernando Mendoza. That's
so much fun. Greg is always great seeing you.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Thanks, can look forward to it every week.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah. The you know, listen where you land matters. Who
was your college coach? You know at Old Miss with
Lane Kiffen. You know, they had good players, very good place.
They didn't have Georgia players. They didn't have Ohio State
or Texas players or maybe Notre Dame players. So it's
like Jackson Dart had to initiate some of the offense
and had to be clever and creative. And I thought
(23:44):
it's kind of a second round guy. Nope, wrong, He's
a first rounder, no question about it. To stay out
of that blue tent.
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Speaker 1 (25:06):
Welcome in. Dodgers just swept the pathetic royal things are
turning out. John Middlecop with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Well, I wouldn't exactly call this Montana vers young in
the late eighties. But Watson and Shador Sanders they've been
splitting first team reps here in Browns camp, and we
finally have some clarity on the preseason game plan. Watson
will start the opener against the Bears on Saturday, and
then Shador will start the game too. Todd Mounkin said,
we can expect the starter to play at least one half.
(25:46):
Both quarterbacks, Deshaun and Shador, spoke to the media.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Let's take a listen to hear what they're thinking.
Speaker 9 (25:54):
I'm super excited. I think are the hard work that
I put in with the train of staff, with my team,
my personal team, to you know, get to the stage
has been tremendous for myself. So I'm super excited.
Speaker 10 (26:09):
We approach practice like a game, so it's the same
amount of focus and seriousness that it is. So that's
why I'm excited. Excited to feel because like, how similar
does it feel to practice, honestly, because it's a different
type of intention and the mentality.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Can't wait gonna watch them both. I'll be up in
the one of those bougie boxes, having a fresco clarity
and no messing around I I'm on team shoulder here.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
I one thing about the preseason, when you have situations
like this where none of the fans want.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
The guy that's probably gonna end up starting week one.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
If you play well during the like if she Door
was just throwing a couple of touchdowns East preseason game,
there'll be so much public moment them it'll be very
difficult because clear listen, I don't necessarily blame Jimmy Haslam.
I mean I do for you know, Deshaun didn't want
to come. He gave him all the guaranteed money. But
at this point in twenty twenty six, it's like we're
(27:13):
paying them fifty million dollars. Let's just see if there's
anything there for a game or two. If it doesn't,
the team's probably not gonna be good. We'll go to
the young guy. But if Shador is just dominating these
preseason games and Watson looks like he's looked, I don't
see how they could not start Shador week one.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Oh yeah. Again, when you're when you're not only not
in the Super Bowl bubble, but you're not really viewed
as a playoff team, you know, and you're you're you're
talking about selling tickets and and and again, there's two
reasons to start Shadi Sanders. Number one is we know
what Deshaun Watson is at this point. I mean, if
you started both for the entire year, what if DeShawn
(27:50):
would win another game from four to five? Who cares? Secondly,
you need to find out. You got to find out
if Shadur can play. Give him a majority of the schedule,
because what if he can, what if he develops. I
don't think he's ever going to be a great quarterback,
but I do think he's a lower end franchise quarterback.
I could be totally wrong. There's something there. And every
(28:12):
time he's at the podium recently, he's a little more
mature than he was last year. Not everybody matures at
the same speed or the same rate. So I just
think there's so many reasons. When you're not a super
Bowl team and not really viewed in their division as
a playoff team, let me see if the young guy
can play. This is not the Rams going into a season,
and this is a team that you're really looking at
(28:33):
next year's loaded draft, and it would be nice if
you could pick the second or the third quarterback and
not the fourth of the fifth.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
It's not an apples to apples comparison because the New
York market is so massive. But the Knicks, they finally
got it together these last couple of years. Everything went well,
they won a championship. But that's a basketball town. When
you think Ohio, they love football in the state of
Ohio and specifically Cleveland, they have been so bad and
the Knicks fans for so many years were just like
(29:00):
the laughing stock of the league.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
That's kind of been the Browns.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
But you turn on some of their games, if they're
in the mix, you hear those guys banging, you know,
on the side of the You almost feel bad for
the fans, you know, because they've just been so awful
in a division full of marquee franchises.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
And does feel like they're kind of trending in the.
Speaker 8 (29:19):
Right direction now, but they got to get this quarterback
situation figure out. After tearing his ACL in Week four
last year, Elik neighbors he's started practicing regularly as throughout
the Giants training camp, and yesterday John Harbaugh told reporters
then a move to full practice participation could come later
this week in the preseason open.
Speaker 11 (29:43):
Yeah, he's kind of exactly where he's been, and we're
looking towards soon ramping him up into some group periods
and perhaps some team periods. Maybe next week we'll see.
He's doing great, he's working hard, spirits are high, and yeah,
see we're at next week.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, they got a lot of young players who get
banged up old guys. I get young guys I don't love,
but it's interesting. I think they're gonna double their win
total from four to eight maybe nine. I'm not crazy here, Like,
I don't think they're gonna win thirteen games, but I
do think I've done it five years in a row.
I picked the double your win total team. If you
(30:26):
could give me, honestly, twelve to thirteen weeks of molik
neighbors and scataboo, Like, I'm not asking for the full season.
I look at the Giant schedule. There's a lot of
wins there. There's a lot of wins on that schedule.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
I do think it's pretty important for them.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
I think I saw a headline yesterday that Odell Beckham
is going to play a lot in this preseason. Their
wide receiver unit isn't exactly you know, blowing people away here.
So this guy is a freak talent obviously had a
chance to be just a consistent pro bowler. But if
he does, if you tell me he's in and out
(31:02):
of lineup all season long, I don't know if I
could get there with you and being an eight or
nine win team because I just look at their offensive weapons.
It's not great, and I still think we got questions defense.
John Harbaugh actually looks like he could play. I mean,
that guy's in great shape for a game in the
sixties right now. Geez, here's you know Malik nighbors former
teammate at LSU, Jaden Daniels. I don't know if you
(31:24):
saw this story this morning, he's a issued a ceasoned
assist letter to LSU demanding the school no longer use
his nil name, image, and likeness.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Daniels is very upset.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
They've led a sophomore dB where his number five jersey
that obviously.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Daniels wore when he won the Heisman.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I guess.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
According to another report today, he's asked for like the
official version of heisman anyone that's ever been you know,
Hallas Hall or whateverever, and they have the actual heismans
that the players have won over the course he wants
to return to him, so he is not happy. RG
three former Heisman winner chimed in with some takes.
Speaker 12 (32:06):
This season desist letter from Jayden Daniels team is a
colossal mistake for three reasons. Reason number one, Jersey retirements
are an honor. It's not something to be demanded, and
it certainly isn't something you should try to strong arm
your school into doing for you. Reason number two, Jayden
Daniels team has put him in direct odds with the
(32:27):
LSU fan base. And number three, the Washington Commanders are
in their most important season and Jayden Daniels is going
into the most important year of.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
His entire career.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Agree. Agree, Agree. It's like guys, who I mean, first
of all, unless you're Tim Tebow or Reggie Bush, Like,
you know, there's some college guys for sure. I mean
Tim Tebow jumps out bench young at Texas, like by
all means retied Cam Newton at Auburn, retire that Jude
LSU had Joe Burrow like hey here, you know, it's
like give me a break.
Speaker 8 (33:02):
Well, you know, Auburn did retire Cams Jersey as well
as as well as Bo Jackson. But let's go to
Florida's go way.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Back in the day.
Speaker 8 (33:11):
Spurrier, one of the great college quarterback Heisman Trophy and
Tim Tebow, many consider one of the most accomplished college
players ever have now retired a Jersey. Alabama, that other
school in the SEC that some would consider the most
historic program.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
In the history of the sport. Zero Jersey's retired.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
So Joe Burrows Jersey is not being warned, but it's
not officially retired.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Jayden.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
The other thing is Brian Kelly, the coach that coached him,
is no longer. Lane is trying to keep this dB
because I'm sure Ohio State tried to sign him in
the portal. I mean, yeah, kid, you can wear whatever
jersey you want. Jaden Daniels weirder. They got too much
time on their hands here. The SEC will turn on
(33:56):
you fast.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Colin too.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
And the other thing is Jaden a lot of these
young quarterbacks get managers and agents and they get the
wrong people around him. This You see this all the
time where they make bad choices, like somebody in the
Jaden Daniels camp step in agent or manager. This is
a non starter. Get your your college is over get
(34:21):
over it. Nobody cares.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
I just don't even think it's that egregious, just using
that college.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
Anyone that watches a college football game on Saturday and
then you turn on some you notice there's half as
many people on the sideline. You got one hundred kids
on the team.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
You know, there are only so.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Many numbers you can wear. Collin I mean, I think
Lane Kiffin. I'm sure some people are gonna point the feet.
This is one hundred percent of Jaden Daniels issue. It's
not an LSU problem.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah, agree, John Middlecoff with the News, Well.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd line.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I mean sometimes off the field stuff makes me feel
less about a player, like this is bad for Jaden
dan You're you're in a you better get it right
year three. You've been banged up the first two years.
They're stuff upstairs, your coaches on the hot seat. You
don't have a lot of young talent. I mean that
(35:17):
that the Washington needs, like an infusion of like back
to back great drafts. They're they're they got a little old,
and you're worrying about your college number. Who cares?
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Speaker 8 (35:40):
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Speaker 5 (35:50):
You're only on Fox.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
We've been to a lot of Canada, not Ontario. Dodgers
swept the Royals. It's really interesting. So everybody thinks Dodgers
ruining baseball. Just go deep diving on the numbers. So
against teams that are just five hundred or better, don't
have to be great five hundred or better. The Dodgers
are thirty two and thirty and have won eleven of
(36:19):
twenty series eleven of twenty, about five hundred, basically close
to it. Against teams with losing records, bad teams, they
mop up forty one to eighteen, dominate the series, you know, one,
fourteen to nineteen. So basically, the excellent Red Sox swept them,
the very strong Cubs swept them, The good but not
great Diamondbacks won two to three, and they sweep the Royals.
(36:42):
And it wasn't easy. So of their eleven most expensive
players eleven most expensive players based on the luxury tax.
Nine of eleven are over thirty. And I was saying
this this morning. They remind me of the forty nine ers.
They have a great coach or manager, iconic West Coast brand.
They to the championship round a couple of times in
the last five years. But the Dodgers have seven players
(37:05):
thirty or over and many of them way over, and
the Niners have six players thirty and over. Trent Williams
is thirty eight, So you got to kind of cross
your fingers.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Now Blake Snell, who's a veteran pitcher the Dodgers got
a couple of years ago. He's healthy. Again, cross your
fingers because he is great. But you know, one of
these goes all in on analytics, Dodgers. One goes all
in on Kyle Shanahan and the coach. That's the forty
nine Ers. But they're very similar to these massive brands,
and you know they've gotten all in. The Niners keep
(37:38):
just adding older players, and the Dodgers go all in
with big contracts to veteran players. And the problem is
you can do a Thelma and Louise very quickly, you
get old and go off a cliff, very very quickly.
And both the nine Niners and Dodgers are well capitalized,
very wealthy owners. But you know, Shanahan, you got to
(37:59):
cross your fingers on health and that's what you're doing.
Now with the Dodgers. Here's Dave Roberts this week on
their you know, three week struggles.
Speaker 13 (38:07):
We're in a playoff race, you know, trying to win
the division number one, number two, you know, capture one
of the first two playoff spots, and you know this
is this is go time, and so you know, I'm
going to manage according like I said. And we've seen
enough of a sample of guys and what they've done
(38:29):
this year, and so you know, everyone understands it's about winning.
So it's not about feelings.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, So again mopped up on bad teams. Right now,
here come the Milwaukee Brewers. The town and Milwaukee I
think went six for six against the Dodgers last year
in the regular season, and their pitching's hot, and so
Red Sox swept them, cob swept them, Arizona beat them.
I would imagine this is a losing series for the Dodgers.
(38:56):
So this whole you know, to me they're the Niners,
which is I mean, John predicted they would win their division.
People think the Dodgers will win the World Series. But man,
when you get old, not only do your players get
hurt more often, they heal more slowly. Right, And you
look in division with the Niners and then the Rams
defense and the Seahawks are pretty young. You start looking around.
(39:17):
The Brewers are kind of young, Braves are good. Cubs
are good, Cubs kind of young in spots. Dodgers are
the second oldest team in baseball. So this is a
you know, it's just the reality that you know, again,
Blake Snell, if he was healthy this point forward, that's
a guy that can win a couple of games in
a playoff series. But and you know Otani Freeman again,
(39:39):
they can catch fire. Nobody's counting them out again. Dodgers
are the kind of team manager, you know, trade deadlines done.
They upgraded to Trek Scooble and that take onse. Okay,
that'll be the difference. Not really, I think until this
suitep they had the worst record in baseball since that acquisition.
(39:59):
So there we go. Okay, tonight it is a big one.
Greg co Sell and I talked about it Eric Mangini
Last Hour, our final hour. This week, we're dark tomorrow.
It is the Raiders and the Arizona Cardinals at maybe
the last time in the history of the league. This
game is interesting, but I will be all dialed in
tonight and just give me. Kirk Cousins is going to
(40:23):
start this season? What do you think about six weeks in?
About six weeks in, everybody's like, listen, we're two and four.
We're not going anywhere. Let the young man play. I
can't wait. I don't think there's been you know, I
didn't go into the year knowing anything about Fernando Mendoza,
(40:45):
heard his name, I knew he played at Cal. Sixteen
games later, they went all of them. I'm like, I
want that guy running my franchise. Hour three coming up
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Dateline NBC
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