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January 20, 2026 • 42 mins

Fox Sports College Football Analyst Joel Klatt joins the show to tell Colin why Curt Cignetti orchestrated the most impressive coaching performance in the history of sports winning the National Championship at Indiana

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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go, it's our number three. Joel Klatt five minutes.
What a great time to be alive. Harbon, La Harbon,
New York. Ten new NFL coaches, four already hired. Indiana.

(00:51):
Imagine saying this five years ago. I mean imagine saying
this five years ago. The Indiana Hoosiers sixteen to oh
beat Miami for the Natty last night and for the
first time, and I can recall watching a title game
in college football. To me, it felt fifty percent NFL
and I am absolutely here for it. College football rosters

(01:13):
are getting older, wiser. Miami's D line and O line
those are NFL bodies. Miami's got a defensive lineman about
to turn twenty five. Indiana, by design, is a roster
filled with mature twenty two and twenty three year olds,
Both quarterbacks three year starters. That's why Indiana played such
mistake free football. It's an older, smarter roster. What last

(01:39):
night allows is more sophisticated defenses. Miami's doing part Zone,
part Manda Man on the same play you've got. Indiana
never fumbles, no errant snaps, They don't throw interceptions, they
rarely get penalized. Defenses, Offenses much more sophisticated. That's why

(02:00):
by Sunday football has always been three times to four
times higher rated than college football. College football can be
regional and provincial and full of mistakes. It's rare that
you see a good college program with even decent special teams.
But college football has officially grown up, and last night

(02:22):
felt different. Three year starters at quarterback, players getting paid,
players staying in college longer. That's never a bad thing,
and the product on the field to me, reflects it.
Georgia won a national title in the early eighties and
completed one pass, no thank you, not interested. The SEC,

(02:42):
which has now fallen behind the Big ten. Notre Dame
in Miami has always felt two ground and pound ole
miss is the new way to win. A lot of offense,
a lot of movement, some trickery and score points last night.
Three of Indiana's biggest plays came after Kurt Signetty timeouts.
Very NFL feeling. Fernando Mendoza on that TD run talked

(03:07):
about expecting his own seeing man to man, it was
a little of both, and like Andrew luck Elway, Josh
Allen put his head down, got hammered and scored that touchdown.
I don't know. Indiana to me is absolutely great for
college football. It's a football starved Midwest base alumni, huge

(03:30):
alumni that has always been in the shadow of an
Ohio State, a Michigan, a Penn State, a Wisconsin in
Iowa for football. To me, Indiana is a shining beacon
of hope. If you get the coach right, you got
a couple of well healed NIL boosters. You don't need
five star recruits. It'd be nice going forward to have some.

(03:54):
But suddenly you look around if you get the coach
right with the NIL and transfer portal, and you ask yourself,
why not us? The Indiana football story was not possible
pre portal. It was not possible pre nil. You couldn't
have done this. Now you got to get the coach right.

(04:15):
And Kurt Signetti is like Nick Saban without the charm
and a little bit of a sense of humor, He's
got neither. He is dead serious, he is all business.
And the truth is, Saban got funnier and more charming
after the rebuild was complete at Alabama. This is probably
right now, for this time, what the Hoosiers need. But

(04:37):
last night was also what college football needed. A new story,
a new champion, a new way of doing business. That
is the greatest script ever written in the history of
college football. It was so totally cool and so totally
sixteen to zero perfect. Indiana deserved every part of last night.

(05:01):
With this coach, the big boosters, they're going absolutely nowhere.
Ask yourself, are you the next Indiana? Why not Purdue?
Why not Michigan State? Why not Kentucky Football? Why not us?

(05:22):
Here's the humorless head coach, as brilliant as he is
after It's a great thing.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Indiana win the national championship two years into our tenure.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
You do it with.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
People and a plan. Can't say enough about our senior
leadership and the people we have in the locker room
and the people we have on our staff. And we're
sixteen and O and I guess we're twenty seven and
two since Indiana. But we're sixteen and No. Sixty national
champions at Indiana University, which I know a lot of

(05:57):
people thought was never possible.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Taban didn't smile a lot in the first couple of
years either. The more they win, the happier they get.
But that Joel Klatt, the voice of college football for Fox,
is joining us live, so I'll ask you the first
question I asked Urban rap A Bonnet. What is your
big takeaway on that game last night? Yeah, it's very
much in line with what you were just talking about.

(06:21):
I mean, we can talk about the game specifically, obviously,
and what happened and some of the mistakes that were
made from Miami side, namely the block punt that really
cost him the game. Beck may be forcing it in
double coverage at the end. But then there's the overarching storyline, Colin,
which is this is incredible for college football. You know,
in the late teens, we were watching Alabama dominate college football,

(06:42):
and listen, I love to see people dominate, and watching
Nick Saban coach was phenomenal. But boy, there was an
era of inevitability even before the season in early September
that we knew it was Clemson and Alabama and maybe
Georgia that was going to play for the national title.
And now that statement that you just made that up
to this interview, why not us? To me, this is

(07:04):
the best thing that's happened to college football in a
long time. I think that this could be the most
consequential national champion in my lifetime watching this sport and
loving this sport because of this idea that listen, we
can do this. We are a coach away, we are
one transfer portal away, and everybody wants to lament what's

(07:25):
happening through NIL and the freedom of movement that these
players have in the transfer portal, and listen, I understand
that there needs to be some parameters. I totally understand that. However,
what it has led to is a golden era now
of college football. The product has never been better, and
there's never been more parody. And now Indiana is winning
a national championship after coming into the season as the

(07:47):
program with the most losses in the history of the sport.
To me, it's remarkable, it's profound, and only history. We'll
look back on this with the size and momentum and
scope that it deserves. Because I think right now we're
probably too close to it. Yeah, I said it felt
thirty to forty percent NFL, and that's not a bad thing.
I always said, I love college football, but special teams

(08:10):
were a circus, even on good teams that it was
flawed and it was nineteen year olds and nineteen year
olds make mistakes. But now kids are like, I'm I
really like playing in Indiana. I like playing I like
playing at Ohio State. I'm going to stay here for
one more year. I think the offense have gotten more sophisticated.

(08:30):
I think the coaching is better. I mean, Miami's own
d lines looked like Sunday lines. Is that, Joe. I
think the game needed a little bit of an NFL vibe.
We needed a playoff. We needed to play the players
the old. The rosters now by design are a little older.
I think the quality last night of the play calling

(08:53):
man half the defense, zone the other. Like, I watched
that game and I'm like, well, this is really high
end football. I take away. You bring up a really
good point, and in particular with the older and more
experienced players and obviously a quarterback, but more so on defense.
And here's what it's done to college football is that

(09:13):
it's taken away the really simple offenses that just allow
an athletic quarterback to go run around and make plays,
which is what college football was for a while, let's
face it, right, because it was just talented young kids
that were out there and the most talented kid would win.
And now there's more schematics involved and strategy involved in
situational football involved. So I think the necessity of having

(09:36):
a veteran quarterback is ramped up, and we're starting to
see that now year after year, and these defenses become
more intricate and they can stop more things. So you
have to have answers as an offense. That's what we saw.
So think about this. Miami is killing Indiana with their
pass rush, and they were Bain and Mesador were fantastic.
Those are Sunday players, first round players in particular in

(09:59):
Bain's case, and yet Indiana had answers. They ran the
football was at thirty nine times for over one hundred
and thirty nine. So they lean into the run game,
They get Mendoza out of the pocket, they start throwing
it short and then in crunch time, what do they do?
They go to matchups That's what's NFL. They say, Hey,
Charlie Becker has got the matchup that we like, and

(10:19):
we're going to go to him on the back shoulder
on fourth down, on third down, and then Mendoza runs
the quarterback draw. That's what felt NFL to me is
the matchup oriented, situational calls that we got from offensive
coordinator Mike Shanahan and Indiana going to Charlie Becker in
those big moments. You know, that's what we see in
the NFL playoffs. It's about players and not plays, and

(10:41):
that's what ultimately won the game for Indiana. You know,
people can talk about Big ten against the SEC and
they've won three straight Natties. If I was an SEC fan,
here's what here's what worries me. Miami and Notre Dame.
Can you look at the ACC and you're like, well,
those got on the maybe the two best recruiting head

(11:02):
coaches now out there, big checkbooks in Miami's case, hyper
aggressive with the portal in the NIL. Christi Ball also
has I mean in Oregon, he built good teams. He
didn't have Daden Broward County in the state of Oregon.
I look at Miami, Joel I mean that they are
absolutely the second best team in the country after Indiana.

(11:23):
I'd argue in the second half they were almost a
better team if not for a block punt. I think
Miami and Notre Dame and maybe Miami specifically why I'm sorry,
but Christi ball recruiting that county, that nil checkbook. I
think Miami is back with a vengeance. I wouldn't be
shocked if they bought Duke's quarterback and we're back here

(11:43):
next year. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, that's the rumors
that Mensa, the Duke's quarterback, is going to go down
to Miami. Now, listen, they do have to replace a lot.
They're probably going to have to replace four offensive linemen
and that was a trenches led team. They're likely going
to have to replace a bunch of their defense, including
down the middle with their linebackers and some of those
guys up front. But they're still gonna have Malachai Tony.
They can still get a I would say, a veteran

(12:06):
quality quarterback. So they will be good because of the
way that they've built their roster year over year. There's
no doubt. And Mario Christibal I think proved a lot
of people wrong, including myself. I didn't know if Mario
Chris Ball could win big games in November, much less
the playoff, and they proved that they could do that.
And so that's a huge feather in their cap. You're
absolutely right about Notre Dame. And they're reloading with a

(12:27):
great young quarterback that will now be a veteran in CJ.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Carr.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
And they've got two wide receivers back. They went out
and got Quincy Porter out of the portal from Ohio State,
who was a five star wide receiver. Notre Dame should
be very good. And here's what I'm about to record
and will coming out. We'll be coming out later this
week on the Joel Class Show. My way too early
top ten for next year, and it's very difficult to

(12:52):
get even three SEC teams in that top ten. I
was just doing that. Listen to this, Jill, I'll give
it to you here. So I said, next year, because
Miami's going to reload, they're going to go buy an
offensive line. That that's what they're gonna do. I look
at Miami, Notre Dames, two, Ohio State, Oregon, Indiana three,
two Cupcakes Automatic Texas Tech's gonna buy teams. Sorry, I'm

(13:16):
at eight. I'm not counting usc Michigan, which could get in.
Clarson will be feisty. I mean we everybody says, oh, well, Texas,
I'll give you forty million dollar roster. Joel, I look
at eight teams. I would be shocked if they didn't
get in before I get to the sec Well, yeah,
I mean listen, so you basically have one spot left.

(13:37):
If let's like, let's say we would we would include
Texas and I will include Texas. Then then you get
down to this conversation about kind of the last spot
and a potential top ten going in the next year,
and you've got teams like LSU, usc A and m
B YU who is bringing back to Michigan, Michigan Oklahoma

(13:58):
Like and here's the best part about it is that
any one of those teams might turn out to be
the best team. You know, I don't think we're going
to have a runaway number one team, although Oregon looks
like a team that could potentially wind up number one
in the preseason, in particular with Dante Moore back again,
we go back to the veteran presence at quarterback. You
bring him and all of his starts back and some
of that talent. College football is in such a good spot.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Man.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
And I'm telling you, like I said, I'm gonna go
back to this again. I think I think last night
was the most consequential national champion in my lab. I'm
forty three years old. I cannot remember a time in
college football where we needed this more than what we
have right now. Because every fan base in America can
wake up this morning and say, well, heck, why can't

(14:43):
we do that? You know, we're seeing it with tech
and Oregon invests, LSU is investing, Ole miss is investing,
Notre Dame is investing, Clemson's and everybody is investing, and
they can all play at the top end. And that's
how you get a championship game that that is that
high level between two teams that ultimately at the beginning
of the year we didn't expect to be there. All right, Cleat,

(15:03):
you got a lot of stuff to do. You're very
very busy guy. You're pod smoking and all that stuff,
and uh, you know what, it's nice. You know, I
know you don't like this. Let me ask you real quick.
I know you probably need to go just really quickly.
Best coaching job you've ever seen. I think I think
Kurt Signetti, what he's done is the single greatest coaching
job I've ever seen any sport. I thought, I thought

(15:28):
Brad Stevens at Butler, had he won the title, I
was like, how is Butler playing for a That's a
good one. That's a really good one and by the way,
brilliant guy, now coach and now GM. I would say
Brad Stevens at Butler's like, this doesn't make any sense.
But that was also kind of a time when college
basketball was one and done, so the rosters weren't stacked.

(15:50):
You didn't get old rosters. And also in basketball you
need one great player, you know, it's not like you're
building you know, football, they were Indianda was great across
the board. There wasn't a weakness on that team and
ultimately won him a national championship. I'm not disagreeing. I
think that's a Stevens is a great call there, you know,
you think of I thought I like Herb Brooks, But
that's one tournament with the miracle on ice, you know,

(16:10):
I I can't think of certainly in college football, there's
probably you know, Nick Saban's the greatest coach of all time.
But as far as a single performance and a couple
of years, this is there's no rival to what Signetti
is doing and has done. You know, I've said this
for years. I grew up with college football, so I've
always loved it. We both love it. But there was

(16:32):
always two or three flaws to college football, the ending.
And I always felt like our bosses and other big
broadcast executives are always like, if we could just get
the ending to be a playoff. Now, okay, we'll put
a couple of you know, a couple of cupcakes in
so we don't get sued, but let's have a playoff.
So they've solved the playoff thing. And the other thing

(16:53):
was it always felt a little regional to me. It doesn't.
It's not regional. I got flashy Miami, I got basketball
school Indiana. I got a billionaire at Texas Tech. I
got an academic power and Notre Dame. I've got two
great conferences. Like to me, it's like, okay, this is
like the NFL. I can get a small market Green Bay,

(17:14):
I can get La. You know, it's like, this is
the way football should be. You just don't, you said
it earlier. It used to be in the preseason you
could look at the Street and Smith depth charts and
you were like, well, BAM's in for sure, and Sosa's lsu.
You can't, No, you really can't. And that's why this is.
I think we're entering what is going to be a

(17:36):
real golden age of the sport. I think we're entering
what will likely be considered in history, will look back
on as the best period of college football ever. Hey,
I want to show you. I want you to I
want to ask you. Can we roll the Fernando Mendoza
run for a touchdown? Oh? How good was that? Now?
Remember Colin, I grew up in Denver, So this reminded

(17:57):
me of Super Bowl thirty two as John Elway is
running and then hell coppying around inside the ten yard
line against Green Bay. Like that's what it reminded me of.
This This effort was incredible and did it also not
remind you a little of Andrew luck Sure, who, by
the way, has said publicly, I don't feel like the
game starts until I get popped. Mendoza similarly this year.

(18:21):
He doesn't have like a mean streak in him, but
he does get a little, you know, like like when
the limp is bleeding against the Ohio State against Miami.
I when I now he's not Andrew Luck as a
as a prospect. I'm not saying he's Alway or Andrew Luck.
But there are qualities. The humility, the toughness, you know,

(18:42):
obviously great parenting, an amazing story. There are some things
about Mendoza where I'm like, man, I there's a little
luck in Alway. He's not. He's not that. By the way,
we have a we have a shot of his bruised
arm last night. I haven't seen this good. If you
haven't seen oh my lord, so good. You know, there

(19:03):
there are two types of quarterbacks. That's great and there
there are quarterbacks that rise to the occasion when their
best is needed. And there are guys that year that
and Mendoza rose to the occasion when his best was
was needed. He was at his best. That's that's why
he won the Heisman, and that's why he's the national champ.
Joe Clagg could see anybody you as well, have a

(19:24):
good day, Bud, all right, yeah, I mean listen, Indiana
this I'll say it again. Credit to Miami. Indiana needed
a block punt for a touchdown and multiple great heroic
fourth down conversions to beat Miami. Miami's about as good
a team that hasn't won the national championship by the
end of the year like Miami was. I mean it
was a block punt, which, by the way, was not

(19:46):
eight guys coming through it is one guy got a
hand on it, and multiple fourth down conversions like how
many times are you gonna do it? Sideline route? That's
gonna work?

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Speaker 1 (20:46):
Urban Meyer stop by. Nick Wright joined us in the
second hour, all sorts of stuff. So we uh Salla
takes the Titans job depends on his our, but I
thought he earned that job. I thought he was the
best defensive coordinator with the least roster assistance due to

(21:08):
injuries to Fred Warner and Bosa. So Halfley in Miami
feels a little bit like the opposite of Mike McDaniel.
He's been a head coach defensive side zero flash. Stefanski,
I think that's just what Atlanta needs with all their
offensive skill. They got a pro bowler on the old line,
a star at running back, talent at tight end and
wide receiver. Loves Stefanski. Harbob was the best guy in

(21:30):
the market. Again, I think solo works. You know, Brian Flores,
I think deserves a job the Minnesota defensive coordinator. I
think he's sensational. You know Brian dabol at Buffalo, He's
got history there. I think that's a smart choice. Jesse
mentor does he go back to Baltimore. That's an interesting choice.

(21:52):
I think we have some really good candidates, you know,
the Belichick to Buffalo suggestion that Nick Wright had earlier
is certain interesting. But my issue is Brandon Bean has
not aced the draft. Belichick was actually bad at it
his last seven years. So I mean might take in

(22:12):
Buffalo is they've got to do a better job in
the draft. That's not Belichick's strength. Clearly, look at the
last seven New England drafts and Brandon Bean has drafted
fifty six guys since Josh Allen, two Pro Bowlers, so
he's been the opposite of the Rams and the Seahawks.
He misses a lot, So the Belichick think it's a
fascinating suggestion. You know, I think Bill Belichick could go

(22:36):
to Philadelphia where Howie Roseman's great in the draft. You
know that that's where Belichick makes sense. To me. I
don't want Bill touch in personnel. He hasn't shown at
the college or pro level that is his strength. Knows
the game can build the culture. Smart guy, but I'm
going to look at your resume Patriots last seven years
and draft very well. J Mack with the.

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Speaker 4 (23:05):
Interesting situation developing in Philadelphia right now, Colin. The Eagles
are hot for Mike McDaniel. They would love him to
be their OC. Here's the problem. They can't convince him
to come up for an interview right now. That is
not great news. McDaniel of course has interviewed for some
head coaching jobs. There is a report he would really

(23:28):
prefer Tampa. But Colin, this is not great And the
problem is their other big target in Philly was Brian Dabole.
That was, of course before the Bills job opened up.
So Eagles had high hopes. And if they don't get
their top two guys, and we know that Jalen Hurts
is don't with I believe five OC's in six seasons.

(23:48):
I don't know that this is gonna go well for Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
I'll be honest with you. This sounds crazy, But going
to Tennessee with cam Ward on a rookie deal and
Robert Sala and getting like a four year contract is
OC is very attractive. Philadelphia has got a great roster.
There's drama around Jalen Hurts, There's drama around aj Brown.
If you have a bad Sunday, you get eaten Alive

(24:13):
on WIP radio. It is a pressure cooker and the
Eagles have a history of we don't like that performance,
You're out of here. So like Philadelphia, the downside to
Philadelphia and there's not many. It is a pressure cooker
job to be a coordinator. Forget the head coach. Remember
that piece of NFL films with Bill Parcells is talking

(24:35):
to a young Andy Reid and he's like, you know,
you did take the toughest place to coach in the NFL,
even worse than New York. It's a pressure cooker. So
I mean it's I mean the Boston media, they're boy
scouts compared to Philadelphia. So I think that if I
can get a four year job warm Weather down with
sala and and you know that's a college football market

(24:59):
as much as a that's very attractive to me. Interesting.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
So I wonder do you think it's it's within reason
that Mike McDaniel would say, well, what's the game plan
with AJ Brown? What are you guys doing there? Because
he is a game breaker for them. You need a
stud wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
In this league. Devonte Smith's great, he's good.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
But I don't you don't put him in the same
class as AJ Brown?

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Do you listen? Aj comes with It's like DK Metcalf, Yeah,
he's great. It comes with stuff. Well.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
AJ Brown's been the two Super Bowls, okay, really top receiver.
But what happens if you take the job. You're excited,
Oh I can do this, that and the other, and
then they trade AJ Brown in a minile.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
You're if you're going to Philadelphia, you can't worry about
who's going to be there because Howie Roseman makes more
deals than anybody. He makes deals in season, out of season,
trade deadline.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Uncertainty not a sexy appealing aspect of the job, that's
for sure. And like you said, you mentioned Brown hurts.
What about Sirianni? I mean this, for all we know,
Sirianni's fired by Halloween if things go asideways. You love
the Giants, Washington's coming back. Dallas sounds like they're gonna
keep pickings in that offense, and they were plucky this year.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
I know.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
I just there's a lot of uncertainty. And Colin, we've
both bounced around for jobs around the country, Like, I
don't know you want.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
To go into something like this.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
I don't know that this is a great job, which
sounds insane.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
It is the biggest pressure cooker in the league, not
just for head coach, but for coordinate.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Yeah, all right, speaking of OC's let's go to Kansas
City where quietly Matt Nagy no longer the OC and
KC they just kind of moved off of them. What's
that all about? And you know who they're talking about
bringing back Eric b Enemy?

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (26:36):
They Eric the Enemy seems to be the leading candidate.
Now some people not gonna name any names, we'll say, Hey,
Vienne Mey was with my homes. They are amazing early.
It's been well documented b Enemy was not calling plays
in Kansas City. That was Andy Reid. Okay, so we
don't know how much Bienemy did. Then he left left
the hen or the rooster of the case or whatever

(26:57):
you want to call it. And how do you do outside?

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Terrible? Now he's coming back. I don't love this for
Kansas City, Colin, But.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
Your thoughts on the Enemy potentially returning to Kansas City, Well.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
I defended Matt Naggi. Matt Naggy, you know, want the
playoffs in Chicago with Mitch Trubisky and Aaron Rodgers and
Matt Stafford and Kirk Cousins were all in the division
in their primes, and he made it twice I think
Matt Naggy's more than capable. I'm sorry. I mean, so,
whoever gets Matt Naggy, You got a good coordinator. But

(27:29):
that's the weird part.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
That's one of Andy Reid's guys, right, Well, Matt there
is letting him go.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Well, Matt Naggy may have been Andy, thank you, I
got fired. Thanks for being a life preserver. But I
actually want some real responsibility. I want to call the plays.
I mean, if, by the way, if I Eagles hire him,
I'm done. Eagles higher him.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
I'm done with the Eagles and they're like fifth on
my teams to root for list.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
I don't want in one second what to be my coordinators, quarterbacks, coach.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
Maybe off it's an analyst or something. He come on
to the playoffs with Mitch Trubisky. Hey buddy, that was
like six years ago. What have you done for me lately?

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Oh? Please? Years ago?

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah, maybe it was five years ago, whatever it was. Anyways,
let's move on.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Final story. This stinks in the NBA.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Boy, the injuries are mounting, and Jimmy Butler last night
went down Colin with an ACL injury.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
His season is over. He landed awkwardly.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
After catching a pass, instantly grabbed his knee, could not
walk off on his own.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Look at that. He's in agony.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Jimmy Bucket's one of my favorite players in the league.
Love this guy. This is just terrible. And Colin, I
don't know what you say about the Warriors, man, I
have a couple of hot takes on how to fix it.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
It's over. It's definitely over over. I agree after he
won the title.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Like, I know people are wedded to Curry Draymond stuff,
but like, come on, it's one of.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
The mantras of my career. Fall in love with your kids,
not your not your small forwards. Don't fall in love
with athletes, fall in love with your family. That this
whole thing about Steph and Draymon, and we can't move
and we got your fall in love with players. I mean,
obviously you can't move Wemby for the next five years

(29:18):
or Cooper Flag. No, you don't want to move those guys.
But I think this is the danger of you know,
building around a star, falling in love with a player.
Now you're trapped, and now with Butler hurt, you're not
a playoff team.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
So I don't think they're a play in team, do
you No, God, no, They're gonna get passed by somebody.
So we have a chart here. This is next season's Warriors, Collin.
Look at the ages of this court. It is If
I'm a Warriors fan, it's over. You guys had a
great decade run. Look at this Curry thirty seven, Butler
thirty six. And you know an ACL for a guy

(29:52):
thirty five, thirty six years old, he's not going to
be back next year until at least what January. Draymond
Green is old and he's good anymore. Kaminga and Kerr
are beefing. I mean, Kurr's got to basically reach out
the olive branch. Hey, I know, I know you want
to get traded like wine.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
I need you wine age as well. NBA rosters do not.
It's a young, fast three and d spacing league. Warriors
are small, not athletic, old and now missing their second
best player.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
So this is where it gets interesting. So you remember
the Lakers with Kobe Bryant, decided we don't want to
trade Kobe. We wanted to be a Laker forever. We'll
deal with the thirty wins, the twenty five wins they kept.
They held on to Kobe, didn't do anything.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
In the playoffs, and they were in.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
They were in the wilderness for like five years Colin
until Lebron saved them. They were drafting high, remember, and
none of it worked out, brandon Ingram D'Angel Russell. The
Golden State Warriors are headed to that unless they say, hey, Steph,
you know we're not going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Do you want to go play somewhere else? We'll trade
you there.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Do you think there's any world where Curry's like, yeah,
I want to go play for a contender.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Do you think that's on the table at all? I don't.
I don't. No, should it be?

Speaker 4 (31:04):
I mean I I do you want to win thirty
games every year if you're Steph Curry for the final
three years of your Noah, I wouldn't. Okay, So why
don't you say, sure, guys, trade.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Me to the East. I'll go to Charlotte, rebuild around
the Mellow. Charlotte's not my choice.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Well, it might be Steph Curry's choice. His dad played there,
the retiring his number, played college there.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Somewhere with good golf courses. Maybe it is Charlott's got
good golf. They got a good nucleus.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
I'm just saying I think Curry should consider being like guys,
just trade me and you can rebuild.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
I don't want to be around for that, do you?
I would ask for it? I mean I again, since
the title, he's been a good soldier, he's been loyal.
I just this, it's over, like it's done. J Mack
with the news.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping that. It's
the Herd line.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Isn't an interesting that none of the fifteen highest bayed
quarterbacks are left. I think that's we looked it up.
Stafford's just outside of that. So Bo Nix is in,
Drake May is in Team Friendly, Sam Darnold is in

(32:12):
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Speaker 1 (32:40):
I was saying, he's not Andrew Luck or a John
Elway as a prospect, but there are similarities. Between Andrew
Luck and Fernando Mendoza that touchdown run, it looked like
Luck and Elway. So I mean, if you look at
their final years and again at Stanford in Indiana, they're
playing with a lot more three star guys than four

(33:00):
and five star guys. They both had a great coach,
Harbaugh and Signetti that trusted them. Implicitly. Sorry to the
radio audience, but there's a lot of similarities here. Big
strong kids, light contact, really tough. Here was the coach
and the quarterback after last night's win.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Fernando, I know he's great at interviews and comes off
as the all American guy, but he is the heart
of a line when it comes to a competition. I mean,
that guy competes like warrior all season.

Speaker 7 (33:31):
When we've you know, sometimes I've had these cookie cutter
responses in media, trained response where it's been like, oh,
onto the next game, onto the next play, and now
we did it.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
We did it.

Speaker 7 (33:40):
So at that point, I think it was only fitting
to kind of, you know, open the floodgates, per se,
break my stereotype.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
So J Mack apparently has some picture. Signetti is a
fairly humorless guy, and that's probably what Indiana needed now.
I mean they've had very funny coaches. My friend Jerry DeNardo,
who I've been seeing the last couple of days. Jerry
was great. I remember when he took a Hoosier team
to Oregon and beat Oregon. There, Lee Corso the legend.
I mean, they've had some colorful characters, and Signetti's kind

(34:09):
of a you know, he's a Saban disciple, very intense.
Uh even the smile seem strained, fairly humorless.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
But we have the pictures of him last night, yes, yes,
so uh obviously the emotional spectrum for Signetti last night
was incredible. So our staff put together screaming Signetti. Here
he is barking on the sideline that we have. Next up,
scowling Signetti.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
If these are all real? These are these are not
AI GENERALTD. This is real?

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Next up, sweaty Signetti. This guy really has become like
a bit of a legend. Colin, I love this guy.
Next up, we've got stare downet.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
You got a lot of this. He's really intended. Does
a lot of that to the officials as well?

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Yeah, this one psychotic Signetti.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Signetti taking the.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Glasses off there then we've got signetti kind of looks
like your uh, your neighbor who's super nice but intense.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Usually him with about seven six minutes to go, blowing
out a team. Didn't do a lot of that last night. No, no,
definitely not.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Next up, you've got stupefied signetti.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Do we go for it on fourth down or not?
It just dumps ound it. Also, he was he and
I agreed with him. If you go look at Mendoza
one of the first series helmet to helmet by Miami.
No call like there was a couple of call. That
one was just outrageous. They were letting him play.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Next up, you got sassy signetti, the guy does it all.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Finally, stars and.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Stripes signetti as you saw there at the game, and
finally simply signatty yes with the national championship.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Think it has to go down as certainly the most unlikely.
First of all sixteen to no is you go back
to eighteen fifty something with Yale And then this is
another way the college football has become the NFL pay
getting played the transfer portals mostly free agency. Players are
getting older. We have a college football playoff. The regular

(36:09):
season is important, but not that important. And the other
thing is you're playing fifteen and sixteen games, and so
you have to build a roster. You can't just be,
you know, all offense. Indiana didn't have a star stud
of defense, but it was a really, really exceptional defense.
And that's why I give Miami a lot of credit.

(36:30):
In the second half. Miami had almost three hundred yards.
That's a lot against Indiana. Ohio State did not move
the chains Ohio State Miami did in the second half.
So you know, I think it's I guess not all
new things are great. But in college the two sports
that have been in about a three year run. Think

(36:52):
about this. Baseball was on a ten to fifteen year downturn.
Ratings and attendance, takeaway, defensive shift, pitch clock, extra ending,
start a guy at second base, make the bases bigger.
Everything worked in baseball the changes. I watch more baseball

(37:13):
now over the last two years than I did for twenty.
College football pam portal playoff. Two sports that roll the
dice ticked off traditionalists are on an absolute heater. College
football and baseball the sport now And I was, you

(37:34):
know here, Air's Mark Cuban. By the way, after the Natty.

Speaker 8 (37:39):
Just talking this last time about you know, and I
owe money in the light, it was like, we have
to stick to who we are. Every team, whether it's
pro or now college is broke, has to have an identity.
You have to understand how you want people to fit in.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
You have to.

Speaker 8 (37:53):
Understand how you use economics. And I think what's really said,
I you a part is we're not like, Okay, let's
raise as much as we can to pay everybody more.
It's more about how do we structure it, how do
we build a culture, how do we you know, set
roles so that when guys come in they're happy.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
And that obviously was pregame, not postgame. Yeah, And I
think the danger is for Indiana and I don't think.
I think they're too smart to do this right. There's
a lot of money at Indiana. They've been football star forever.
It's just let's go get five star guys. That's not
what it is. USC tried to do that in the portal,
lsu Brian Kelly tried to do it in the portal,

(38:33):
and I think it's lazy. I think Brian Kelly wanted
to golf more than he wanted to recruit, and he
went too heavy in the portal. I think you have to.
I mean, there are certain positions. Quarterback, go to the portal.
If you get a world class Sunday first round edge rusher,
go to the portal. There are very few great quarterbacks
and edge rushers, dominant defensive lineman. You know, listen, if

(38:55):
you can go get if you can go steal a
left tackle from Ohio State or Michigan. Oh get it.
But the bottom line here is there are very few positions.
Even in the NFL. You got to check certain boxes.
In the NFL. You need a weapon, a left tackle,
a pass rusher, a quarterback, and hopefully a good coach.
You don't have to have a great linebacking corp, great
safety corps. I mean the rams special teams and corners

(39:16):
are not very good, and they could be the best
team in football. So here's Urban Meyer earlier on the
new age of college football.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
College football arguably has never been better for a lot
of the reasons. You just said. Kids are grad I mean,
how about this, dad, I want to say, it's an
eighty percent jumping kids graduates playing college football. So they
are graduating it. It's a phenomenal story, and you're seeing
that you know who's gonna watch for Oregon next year.
They're going to follow the same template that the Wolverines did,

(39:46):
Ohio State did, and now Indiana did, where you're having
grown ass men, and you got grown men in that
locker room instead of the eight year you're counting on
you used to I used to count on seventeen, eighteen,
nineteen year olds.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
These are twenty four year Yeah, And I think the
benefit is you, the fans. That game last night felt
a little like a pro football game, and so we've
added PanAm portal playoff and maturity of rosters. So I
just I couldn't say the last time I watched the
National Championship that I enjoyed more. You had everything, star quarterback,

(40:21):
underdog Miami's O and D line, Sunday bodies, a block kick,
Miami kind of physically starting to push Indiana around, the
bloody lit from Mendoza. You had really fascinating fourth down
conversions by Indiana in the second half. That game had everything,

(40:41):
and again it felt a little NFL to me. I
loved it. And you know, Indiana may not win another
National Championship, Okay, They're going to be good this and
I'll say this, I mean, Indiana is not going to
become Georgia or Texas with recruiting. A big part of
this now sational championship is Mendoza. That game last night

(41:03):
they won because of Mendoza. The Penn State game on
the road, they won because of Mendoza, the Oregon game,
especially at Augsin they you know, they win because of Mendoza,
Mendoza Special. They're not going to become a four and
five star program. They'll get more four star guys and
Indiana's got a lot of smart people in that program,
but they're gonna lose one of their coordinators, maybe both.

(41:26):
It's still kind of a rural, small Midwest town from
a state that doesn't have a lot of great high
school football players. There's still a big advantage being Texas
and Florida and Georgia and Miami and having thirty players
in your backyard that are Division one athletes. So this
may just be a magical season. But my guess is
Indiana will be a very consistent playoff team. I think

(41:49):
Ohio State will Notre Dame, will Miami, will Texas, Tech
Money will Texas will. You know. Everybody's got Lane Kiffin,
Peeling off multiple national championships. I don't. I mean they
got out recruited in the twenty twenty sixth class by
Miami and there are a lot of players in Daden
Broward County and Crystal Ball maybe the best recruiter in

(42:11):
the country. So so much good stuff. Urban Meyer, Nick Wright,
Joel Klatt all crushed the three on the Tuesday. Tomorrow,
we should have a lot. We'll probably have three or
four more head coaches hired, I would guess tomorrow. John
Harbaugh is official a New York Giant for the foreseeable future.
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