March 6, 2026 • 43 mins
Jonas Knox & LaVar Arrington fill in for Colin as they discuss the Las Vegas Raiders decision to release Geno Smith and what their plans are for potentially using Fernando Mendoza such as not starting him immediately. Plus, the guys chat with Dr. David Chao on Jayson Tatum's return from injury and the health of Maxx Crosby and Patrick Mahomes in the NFL, we have Brian Kelly comments on Herdline News, and more!!
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Speaker 4 (00:30):
Final hour of The Herd here on Fox Sports Radio.
He's LeVar Arrington. I'm Jonas Knox in for Colin on
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(00:53):
You can also hear LeVar and I during the week
on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe alongside Brady
Quinn six to nine am Eastern t I'm three o'clock
to six am Pacific time. As we get you said
for the weekend, lots of moving and shaking in the NFL,
lots of deals being done. We talked earlier about the
release of Geno Smith, Maybe not the biggest surprise. Gino Smith,
(01:16):
who made I think about fifty eight million dollars if
I'm not mistaken, fifty eight million from the Raiders Will
Take Home Raiders also gave up I believe, a third
round pick to do that also, so he has gone.
The report from Diana Rassini is that if they do
plan to move forward with Fernando Mendoza is the number
one pick, which they most likely are, that they're going
to hope that he sits initially and that they bring
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in a veteran who's going to be the starter there,
which doesn't seem like it makes a whole hell of
a lot of sense. But nonetheless, there's that you mentioned
Rashawn Gary. He's out in Green Bay, so he's done.
Rashaan Gary is done. He posted a goodbye to social media.
Taylor Decker, the left tackle for the Lions. He is
also out in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
This is.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
The time of year where you're just you're seeing cost
cutting and cost CAF casualties left and right around the
National Football League. I know that you look at it
and you go, well, the best players are all retained,
and they don't reach free agencies. So that man, there's
some really talented players out there that are going to
be looking for work and are gonna get gobbled up
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here pretty quickly that just couldn't make it work financially
with their previous teams.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
There were Shaw Gary one. That's a little peculiar. I mean,
you just brought in Michael Parsons to be what I
would consider a great compliment to what Rassan Gary brings
to the table. Now, if you feel like that's a
kind of a getting rid of a guy before it's
too late type of an approach, then maybe that makes
(02:50):
a ton of sense, I guess. But why would you
only give the Michael Parsons Rashaun Gary experiment one season? Yeah?
I would. I would think that you would want to
give it another another go, considering that Micah had the
setback with his knee. But I mean the amount of
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success that they were able to have having them both
on the field was what's tremendous. I mean this You're
talking about a team that we looked at as a
potential Super Bowl competitive team. So that's a TapIt curious,
but I think it does make the now uh free
agent market a little bit what a little bit better
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than what it was the day before with him with
him entering into it. I mean we said it wasn't
very impressive thus far. But but maybe with the additions
of some some you know, guys that get let go
leading up to free agency, uh in the start of
the new uh, the new league year, maybe maybe it
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does improve. You know, maybe maybe it does get uh
dramatically better, maybe not dramatically, but better enough.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I just think and look, a lot of this maybe
is set up for moves that could be coming down
the pike, and that could be the Lions, you know,
addressing the offensive line in some other way. I also
look at it and I go, you know, this is
an indication that if you've got an opportunity to go
for it and win a championship and win your super Bowl,
(04:26):
when you get close, you gotta cash cash. Because we
were talking about this on our show earlier this week.
It was Dan Campbell who said, you know, maybe we'll
never get that close again, and he could and like
it could be a painful message, but he's right, and
it's like, well, yeah, Dan, like maybe you should have
kicked a couple of field goals there.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I mean, if that's if that's the kid, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
It's like a guy who loses all of his money
on blackjacket and he goes. You know, maybe that's as
close as I was going to get to be enrich.
Well yeah, so why'd you hit on eighteen? Like I
don't it's you know, play it safe from time to time,
take its dance. So now you've just seen you've seen
what's happened with the Lions since then, and you go,
all right, So, so Taylor Decker's gone, and look he was.
He's a little banged up and coming off to you.
(05:12):
But that's one thing. David Montgomery's out, Ben Johnson's gone,
Aaron Glenn's gone. Like it's just what that foundation was
for the Lions is gone. And so when you consider
you were in an NFC title game and we're leading
that NFC title game against the Niners and blew that game,
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and then the next year you were hosting a playoff
game against Washington and got knifed in front of your
in front.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Of your fast I could have been one of them
days because Washington kind of took a step, big step
back then.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
They took all the way they stepped all they stepped.
They stepped it. They stepped into the basement to the
er the non playoff portal. You know, now what part
of the basement.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
You're like, oh, we should probably finish this part of
the basement off. They were starting on gravel and dirt.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
So like you look at Detroit and you go, all right,
you wonder how much the Ben Johnson effect was a
real effect there, that they couldn't make it work this
year and what they were missing. And then from the
Packers standpoint, the Packers go for a year felt like
last year, it seemed like that could have been it.
That was the one where you make the Micah Parsons move.
(06:28):
They were all I already thought Green Bay was going
to the super Bowl before that move, and then you
added Micah Parsons and the thought was, oh that was
that was the missing piece. And it really looked like
that for a while, and then all of a sudden,
tight end gets injured. Little things start to pop up.
Michael Parsons get injured, gets injured, You lose a couple
(06:49):
of awful games, blow games against your arch rival, and
now I'm starting to look around, going, man, maybe if
you're green Bay now Rareshawn Gary's gone. So to your point,
you had that duo coming off the edge. You had
that as pass rushers. Now you don't have that, and
you don't even have one of them because Michael Parsons,
who knows how long it's going to be before he's
back and back to full health and one hundred percent.
(07:12):
It's a completely different looking Green Bay team's different. And
your defensive coordinator left, Jeff Halfley left and now he's,
you know, the head coach of the Dolphins.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
So a lot of turnover there. Okay, So Jordan Love
had a breakout and I mean a breakout year in
twenty twenty three. His numbers aren't bad in twenty four
and twenty five. But Jonas, I'll pose this, did you
(07:42):
find yourself having more questions about Jordan Love as the
starting franchise quarterback for the Green Bay Packers at the
conclusion of this season, much like some of the other
teams that we talked about with a guy like very
very clear form comparison dust like the quarterback in Houston. Yeah,
(08:08):
we thought C. J. Stroud was on a meteorc rise.
I think we took the same approach with Jordan Love.
There's this meteorc rise. But did you find yourself having
questions as to did we see their best football in
that one season that they had in the early on
start of their career.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
You know what jumped out to me about Jordan Love,
and it's it's a small sample size because you know,
he got knocked out of the first game and it
was Malik Willis who finished it. But when you were
watching that playoff game in Chicago, and again keep in mind,
this is Jordan Love's had playoff experience and played pretty
well in the postseason. Caleb Williams had no playoff experience
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and was dealing when the game was on the line.
When the game was on the line, if I were
to ask you, all right, you need a winning drive
from one.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Of these quarterbacks, who you going to?
Speaker 5 (08:57):
I'm going with Caleb.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It just felt like there's something there that isn't there.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yeah, Jordan, there's something that's there. So, yeah, that isn't there.
And you mentioned and you mentioned, you mentioned c J Stroud.
C J Stroud looked broken.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
I mean that was like that story you told me about. Hey, listen,
if you don't want to be with me beyond tonight,
I get it like, because that's what he definitely.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
When I went to bed, Yeah, I don't care. Hey
she married me, it's her fault. Yeah, I told her
dead sober. Was exhausted working three jobs, you know, early
on in my radio career, and you know, woke up
in a puddle.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
And she was nice enough to say, well, it's really
hot in here. Maybe you're just sweating. No, no, I'm not.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
No.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
That was that fifty yellow in my thirties wedding.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
The bed and I told her, hey, listen, if you
never want to talk to me again, I totally get it.
Thankfully there was a language barrier. But the point is,
the point is.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
She that was so good. She stuck it through, all right,
and the rest is history. From here. We can get
through this, We could get through anything, is what it is.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
But I mean I had to be the teammates.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Just so you're, yeah, you're watching there. There does appear
like there's teams going into this year. And that's why
when we brought up the fact that Colin said in
a top ten draft, Aaron Rodgers would be in the
top ten. Why it makes sense for a year is
because I think everybody's anticipating this next draft class. It's
not this one, it's the one after. And you've got
(10:43):
all of these quarterbacks that that got franchised money, like
Kyler Murray and Tua takabay Loa, and those organizations couldn't
wait to get rid of them, like they couldn't wait
to move off of them. And so I do wonder
if we're at the point now, which which circles all
the way back to the Raiders decision to reportedly not
want to start for Nanda Mendoza right away. I think teams,
(11:06):
I can understand a you want to you want to
slow it down, and you want to, you know, take
a slow pace to try and develop these quarterbacks and
these starters in the league. But I also think at
some point you'd like to know whether or not they
can play. And the only way you do that is
if you throw them out there and put them in
the line of fire.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
And you got Aaron Rodgers that's in front of your
quarterback that has been there, like a Brett Fahr when
Aaron Rodgers came in. If you have a I don't know,
I mean, you get my point, Like you have a
great established QB that's in front of you that you're
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playing rue bledsoe was in front of you.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
It was brought into to be groomed. But like you
had an established starter. It makes sense if you and
and listen.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Tom Brady's different because it was he was a late
draft pick, so it's not like you were. You spent
a number one overall draft pick. I'm saying number one overall.
You got a number one pick overall, and you took
a quarterback, and you have an established quarterback that's in
the twilight of their career.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
You want to bring them along slow. He's gonna learn
and listen. I think it's overblown to say have a
mentor in this coach. No, it's not mentor. It's be
responsible enough as a rookie and a pro to learn.
Watch and listen, be seen, not heard, be present, right,
(12:35):
but not in the way be a fly on the wall.
Listen to what Aaron Rodgers that vet is saying. Listen
to what his reads are. Listen to how he communicates
with the coaching said. Listen to how he communicates with
the receivers. Learn what it's like to be a Patrick Mahomes.
Learn what it's like to be a Josh Allen in
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these situations. Learn it a Tom Brady. Learn it, and
then you apply it, and sometimes it doesn't even work.
But you have a better opportunity because you have a
model to compare and to learn from at this early
stage of your career is at breaking news. I'll say this,
(13:17):
if you're spending a number one overall draft pick on
a QB and you do not have a first ballot
bona fide Hall of famer that's playing good football when
you bring him in that into that building, do not
use a number one draft pick on a quarterback. Do
not do it.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I would, I would strongly advise you do not spend
a number one pick on somebody that you are not
planning on using a.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
I want him throwing the ball the minute we call
his name. Get sign your contract? Many you sign your name?
Come on, man for sad.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah, look at cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
You know what, you could say whatever you want about
what the Titans were last year, if they were a
bucket of puke, I totally totally get it, no matter.
But you know what, at least at least you've got
some information on the guy. You have some understanding of
all right, this is where he's struggling at this level,
and this is what we need.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
To do exactly, exactly. That's why look at get your measurer,
get your measurements, get your gang, your data. We live
in a data driven age. Get the data. It's a
number one overall draft pick. You're going to tell me
you're getting your data out of practice?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Doubt it.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Ain't no way, ain't no way. You're making that kid
better as a football player when you brought him in
as a number one overall draft pick as a quarterback.
As a quarterback, that is the position you do not
want to mess with in that way. You brought him
in as the number one pick. He should be starting
day one. I don't care. Oh, you got to earn it, No,
(15:00):
you don't. You earned it by being the number one
draft pick in this year to draft.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Now. Something to keep an eye on, Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
You got to earn it to keep it, Yeah, but
you ain't got to earn it to do it.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Now.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Something to keep an eye on. Lamar Jackson has been
a little active on social media today. Uh He posted
an Instagram story saying thank you Jesus as he was
in his Ravens gear. He posted the from training day
the gift of Denzel Washington saying boom on his social media.
(15:34):
And there's been some rumblings that the Ravens are a
team to watch in the Max Crosby sweepstake, So who
knows it could be There could be three different ways
this is happening. Either Lamar Jackson got his deal done
because they were trying to figure out a way to
rework his contract and get his get a new deal
done with him. Or there's a Max Crosby trader who
knows maybe lender Bomb's back.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Maybe maybe all three. So I would not be surprised
if all three were to have happened. Could be all three, Yeah,
and and and I'm surprised they didn't get a DJ more.
But but it was brought up in and and in
our update in the news update earlier on. Don't be
surprised if they land somebody like like AJ Brown. And
(16:17):
keep in mind the recruitment of it could be real.
One aspect of it that we didn't mention, who's a
running back for the Baltimore Ravens who has a friendship
in the history.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
With AJ Brown.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Oh, so we're in that we're entering into that legal
tampering uh, time of the year. But let's think about it.
Is it tampering if you to homie? You know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
All I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Is is it tampering if I called you and asked you,
how's the off season going for you?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
How's the family? Where are we going to hang? I
see you at Prime whatever? You know what I'm saying.
You know, we must throw some ones up in the air.
You know, you know who knows.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
I think there's a you know a big difference between
you know, blatantly offering a guy a contract who's currently
not out of his previous contract or trying to trade
with a player and negotiate with the player directly, which
you which you can't do. And there's a big between
that and you know, maybe Lamar Jackson says, hey man,
you know, let's get together. I know a lunch truck
(17:25):
in Baltimore that I've been seen at and if you
want to get some Mongolian barbecue, saying.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
HI, believe you me them is oxtails. And I was
talking about Derek Henry and his relationship with AJ Brown
when they were both in Tennessee. To all of those
out there, I might have sounded cryptic but just to
make sure we're clear. AJ Brown and Derek Henry friends
and we're teammates together in Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Roll up a crab cake and smoke him if you
got them telling you.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Man, Hey, hey, that crab cake strand is fire. To
throw a little bit of Old Bay on there.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I was, by the way, I was not familiar with
Old Bay until you told me about it.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Some Old Bay, the real deal. What I had no idea, bomb, baby.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I had no idea. Listen, man, my wife's Mexican.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
So if I'm not eating, I mean, if I'm not
eating what they make, they'll hold me at gunpoint.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
What's the what's the orange? What's the orange they got on?
Speaker 8 (18:22):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Yeaho, you got a Valentine Tabasco.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Yeah, you got all sorts of fun stuff. You put
that type of TiO on the candy. They put it
on on the rim of their their drinks. Like what
else they put it on there.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
There's a whole bunch of other stuff that they put
the and they won't let you.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
They won't let you leave unless you eat. So if
you're hungry, you got to come up with new. So
one of the things I did. Yeah, So one of
the things I do is if if I tell them no,
I'm not hungry, I know I'm gonna get asked two
or three more times by her family. So I'll just
pick up anything next to me and pretend it's a phone.
Like I'll grab somebody's shoe and be like, yeah, I'm
still here and just walk out of the room so I.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Don't have to deal with it anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
If it was a sneaker, oh anything, yeah, remote control,
like you know't direct TV remote?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
You're still here? So good? Yeah, Oh it's great. It's
so good. Yeah, So we'll keep you post.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Who knows what Lamar Jackson's referring to on a social
media It's gonna come out.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
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David Chow, who we saw radio row in.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
The Super Bowl or at the Super Bowl in San
Francisco moments after he had Ryan Leaf in a dars
choke I believe based on the reports. But all all
getting aside, doctor Chow. Happy to have you with us.
How are things?
Speaker 7 (20:57):
I'm doing great? Look at you guys, I'm here.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yeah, we are a big time So let me ask you.
You obviously were the physician team physician in the NFL
for almost two decades. You've been around this stuff for
years and years and years. When you see Jason Tatum
return this quickly, yet somebody like a Dame Lillard and
a Tyrese Halliburton there's not even a thought they'd come
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back this year. How much of this do you think
was sped up based on the fact that the Celtics
have a chance to win a title.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
Well, return to play is always multifactorial. Not every injury
is the same, not every recovery is the same, not
every rehab is the same, and not every situation is
the same. This is a nice quick recovery for Jason Tatum,
Hats off to him, but it's also not the quickest
one in NBA history. I mean Wesley Matthews, Kobe Bryant,
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Rudy Gay, Dominic Wilkins, Chauncey Phillips all came back a
little bit quicker than Jason Tatum. Of course, we all
look at the longer returns for Evan Durant, who did
return to one hundred percent, and we say this is
nice quick return. And you mentioned some other guys, but
return to play doesn't mean someone is one hundred percent.
(22:12):
And as great as Tatum is done, I doubt he's
Jason Tatum at one hundred percent when he comes back
to play tonight. I think it's spot play working himself
in with the Celtics, who have a very good team
playoff bound, figuring out what his role is and get
acclimated ahead of the playoffs. But still kudos to him
for all the hard work that he is engendered.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
All right, So.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
We talked a few a lot, I guess, some some
different topics at the Super Bowl. But one of the
things was the Max Crosby conversation. And you know the
concerns about what he may or may not have going on,
but what is the do you have a latest update
on Max Crosby's health? Was this more a utting him
(23:00):
down based off of where the team was or was
it based off of really protecting him and what would
perceive to be a sore knee.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Look, I'm not inside the building in terms of rumors
and what's going on. Look at Mike Silver, Jay Glaziers,
others reporting the possible trade and that he's done. But
from a medical perspective, I think the narrative that we
had in December that the Raiders were tanking, they were
shutting Max Crosby down against his will, is really not correct.
(23:33):
They were shutting him down for his own good. It
turns out it was a meniscus repair, not a trim.
Meniscus trim is a much smaller surgery, quicker recovery. Meniscus
repair is much longer. As a matter of fact, obviously
I haven't examined Max Crosby, but I would imagine technically
he does not pass a physical today because it's only March.
(23:57):
It's only three months from the meniscus repair. Meniscus prepare
recoveries are minimum four to six months, and so that
may be what is complicating the potential trade, not just
the asking price, but he has to pass the physical
and no trade is consummated or final until a physical
is passed. If he's wanted to get traded, certainly he
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could share his electronic or other medical records so a
team could project him to be healthy. But as of today,
I don't think he passes a physical, and maybe there
is a role in that in terms of teams not
pulling the trigger or perhaps not beating the asking price yet.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Doctor David Chow joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox in.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
For The Herd.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Let me ask you one thing, because we were kind
of kicking this around. Just to go back quickly on
the Jason Tatum stuff, Reggie Miller spoke on the Dan
Patrick Show and was mentioning that, you know, based on
the documentary and sort of sort of how things timeline
wise happen. Listen to Reggie Miller's ex explanation as to
what he saw in watching the Tatum documentary as to
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why he's back this quickly.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
The best thing if there was knock on wood, the
best thing when he tore his achilles in Game five.
I believe in New York that the doctor was right there,
that they attached it right away, and the thinking was
the body didn't even know that it had that traumatic experience.
That's how quickly, within twenty four hours, they had the
(25:25):
surgery on the achilles. So that's why he is so
far ahead of schedule versus a Damian Lillard or Tyrese
Halliburton is because they had the surge.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
When you hear that, do you buy that thought that
because the doctor happened to be there, they got the
surgery done so quickly the body didn't recognize the traumat
one unders Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Is from a medical standpoint.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
I love Reggie Miller, and I'll take all kinds of
three point shooting advice from him, But I don't know
that this is and there's any medical factual basis for this. Certainly,
doing the surgery in one day is perhaps better than
doing it in a week or two, which is what
happens in the normal world for us mere mortals. But
I don't think if the body recognizes that there's a
(26:11):
tear immediately. Jason Tatum recognized there's a tear immediately, could
there be a little less swelling in there? Okay? Maybe,
but I think it's his hard work rehab and sometimes
the type of tear that allows him to return and
quite honestly, where the Celtics are where he really wants
to return, whereas no offense to Kevin Durant and Kevin
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Durant's situation who tore it in that NBA Finals besides
being a big man seven footer and besides it being June.
He waited all that next season and into the next final,
into the following season to make sure he really was
one hundred percent, and when he came back, he really
was one hundred percent. This is why I'm saying, I'm
not sure Jason Tatum is one hundred percent right now.
(26:54):
I'm not saying he can't come back and be effective.
What Reddy says is awesome, but I would say is
the recovery for Achilles is also being accelerated by other things.
Blood flow restriction therapy is part of it. I've seen
in that same documentary that Jason Tatum has some of
those tourniquet type devices on to help blood flow restriction
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to help healing. That is something that we saw Aaron
Rodgers do when he tried to return in the same
season in the NFL. Didn't make it back because the
Jets didn't make the playoffs. But there's a lot of
things accelerating the recovery. I think only a very smart part.
I mean, look, I'd love it to get credit to
say the doctor was there and therefore we really helped out,
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which you know is great. And I helped. The doctor
helped out certainly from a psychological perspective and being there
and getting the right diagnosis and reassuring Jason Tatum on
his return. But the body does recognize a rupture or
a tear immediately.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Okay, and looking at where Jason is, is there any
risk of there being any type of re injury of
any kind of any sort.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Well, when you say any risk, the answer is yes.
And I'm not trying to scare Celtics fans and I'm
not saying he's not ready. But you know, any sort
of quick eccentric load. Is the Achilles as strong today
as it will be months from now? Answer is probably no.
This is why Durant took, you know, five hundred days
to return. Kudos to Tatum for wanting to return, but
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I don't think once again, he's one hundred percent And
I'll give you something else, He's not one hundred percent safe.
If you really want to talk about it, and I
hope I don't jinxt the man on the other side.
It's not uncommon to have a second Achilles happen after
a first We've seen it in the NFL in many instances.
Terrell Suggs is one that comes to mind. So I
hope saying that doesn't place any jinks on Jason Tatum.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Doctor David Choud joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox in for The Herd. What can
you tell us about Caleb Downs the Prospect? He was
at the combine, there was a medical red flag something
about the ACL. What can you tell us about that situation?
And it is something to monitor.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
It's something to monitor, but I don't make a lot
of it. First of all, not at all distrusting the
reporter that said it, not distrusting the source or a
scout that said it. But in my time in the NFL,
I've been to twenty combines and I always met with
the GM or assistant GM. It was never with a scout.
And therefore there's the game of telephone that can happen.
(29:36):
And let me tell you something. If you're talking about
a player getting flagged at Combines. Out of the three
hundred and thirty players that are there, there aren't one
or two at most at our flag to extent, which
is do not draft, you cannot draft them. They're probably
about thirty or forty or so, sometimes up to fifty
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red flags where someone has an issue that currently at
the Combines they don't pass the physical, but they could
project the pass the physical, so it's sort of a
stop sign there. And there's probably another a third of
the three hundred and thirty one hundred or more that
have a yellow flag, which is some history of injury
that might affect their longevity or something down the road,
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but that doesn't always affect their draft status at all.
So I guess what I'm saying is just because someone
is flagged, I'd say a third of athletes and the
Combines are flagged in some way, but that doesn't mean
they're going to drop in the draft or be undraftable.
And I'm old enough that when I first started going
to Combines, GMS would tell me is this guy going
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to be our left tackle for the next twelve to
fifteen years? Well, by the time I was done, the
question was is this guy going to get us? Get
through his first contract is all they cared about, right,
And there are other instances too. You know, there was
a draft pick Sony Michelle for the Patriots, a thirty
second pick in the first round, where we say he's
(31:00):
got the gendive knees and he's not going to last.
But guess what, the Patriot rode him to a super
Bowl in his rookie year. He did not have a
long career, but they wrote him to a super Bowl
in that first year. So there's all sorts of reasons
for picking players. And I don't make a ton out
of the kleb Downs report so far.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
One last one for you here, doctor Chow. Patrick Mahomes,
what's the realistic timeline for him, because we're talking about
you know, these moves Kansas City is making, you know,
they're trading away you know, star players on defense, they're
restructuring contracts. We're looking at this is is this the
end of the run for Kansas City? Is a legitimate
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Super Bowl contender? And one of the things that's kind
of been buried in all this is Mahomes is coming
off a pretty serious injury first of his career, really
to this extent at his age when do you expect
him to be full go for next year?
Speaker 7 (31:56):
Well, Patrick Mahomes has been a beast in terms of
his play and also getting to end. We remember him
playing through a high ankle spring and winning the Super
Bowl on that. This knee injury is a little bit different.
It's more than just an ACL, and we've talked about
it a lot at Sports Injury Central sicscore dot com.
It's a multi ligament injury where he tore his LCL
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as well as his ACL, which is why he had
the accelerated immediate surgery, not because his body wouldn't recognize it,
but because it's a repair of the LCL and then
a reconstruction of the ACL makes it more complicated. The
best comp for this as a quarterback actually was Carson
Wentz when he was with the Eagles. It happened in
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LA against the Rams, tours LCL and ACL. Nick Foles
came in and won the Super Bowl. Carson Wentz was
not ready for Week one last year. He rushed it
back week four or so and ended up with some
back issues. Compensatorily, here's the thing, could Patrick do I
expect Patrick Mahomes to return to one hundred percent or
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being Patrick Mahomes the magician that he is. The answer
is yes. Will that happen week one? That is definitely
in question. I don't think he'll be one hundred percent
himself week one. Is he healthy enough to try and
play Week one? Maybe? Will he want to play Week one? Certainly?
Will the Chiefs let him play week one when he's
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not one hundred percent that's the bigger question mark, and
they may exercise some caution because he is absolutely the franchise.
You don't want him to not be one hundred percent
and suffer another injury. And I think they're going to
take it day by day and see how he is,
But if there's any additional risk, they may not have
him playing at the start of next season given the
(33:41):
severity of the knee injury.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Doctor David Chow always appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
You can get him on x at Pro Football, Doc,
and we look forward to updates when some of the
wheelings and dealings happen. It happen, and we'll monitor the
Jason Tatum situation. Good stuff, Doc, We appreciate you man.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Thank you guys, Yes, sir, thank you. There he is
doctor David Chow with us here on Fox Sports. Radio.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
It's LeVar Arrington Jonas knox In for the Herd here.
Coming up next, we're going to close up shop with
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Speaker 3 (35:26):
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Speaker 11 (35:29):
This is the herd Line news great two yeah, no
standing ovation.
Speaker 10 (35:34):
This hour's Oh yeah, I love it. I love it.
I wish everyone could see that. LeVar, You're gonna like
this one.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Do it.
Speaker 10 (35:42):
Brian Kelly is back.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
He has resurfaced as the price of college football rosters
continue to skyrock around the country. Listen to what Brian Kelly,
the former LSU coach, said this morning on Sirius XM
on the state of college football and LSU's roster next year.
Speaker 12 (35:57):
College football is not in a bad place. The revenue
is ridiculous. Like I don't even know how LSU's doing
it right. They're paying lang Kiffin whatever they're paying me.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
That's crease.
Speaker 12 (36:06):
That shouldn't happen, but it is because the money is
out there. So the problems are real. But college football
is still at a pretty good place.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
It's in a great place, and they're paying a forty
million dollars roster by the way down there, I mean.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Maybe a little more, Yeah, a little bit more if
you want to tell us so how much more?
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Want? You know?
Speaker 4 (36:27):
We'd love that with that, With that being said, more
than forty I'll tell you that.
Speaker 11 (36:31):
More than forty million dollars for LSU's roster. Now, Colin
has said the SEC is in a real trouble with
nil because basically they have schools like Texas and Air
and them keeping them afloat with all their big business tax.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
Oil money, and I like the Big ten.
Speaker 11 (36:45):
They don't have the luxury of the Nike money and
the financial money in Chicago, New York markets and the
Hollywood money in La Ucla USC So, I mean this
is crazy, Like LSU, I don't know how they can
afford a forty million dollars roster, but it's it's so
out of control that there's like there's no guardrails in place.
(37:05):
And then you hear my favorite is when you hear
guys like Brian Kelly and other people involved in college
football take shots.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
At other people.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
And when that was the coach, it was good enough.
It's like it's like two serial killers next to each
other and he one looks over at the other and goes, God, really,
we're the same guy.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
What do you mean? Don't give me that look. It's
just the whole thing's odd.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
But you know, I guess if you got the Boddy
and you can, I just wish we could go back
to the blue Chips days where you could just buy
somebody a tractor and they'd come to your shop. It
was good enough, good enough, Yeah, why not you don't
get somebody who's mom a job, who doesn't doesn't deserve it,
and you know pay, you know, drop off a double
bag full of cash and make.
Speaker 10 (37:48):
It that we'd saved the best.
Speaker 11 (37:50):
Usually this segment is called the best for last.
Speaker 10 (37:54):
We've said the best for last.
Speaker 11 (37:56):
So last night Russell Westbrook turned the tables on the media.
The Kings lost their fiftieth game of the season. They
have the worst record of the NBA. Russell Westbrook has
been surprisingly quiet this year, but last night he let
loose on the local assembled assembled Sacramento media, with the
reporters starting the press conference asking what they can accomplish
in these last nineteen games. After hitting the fifty loss
(38:18):
mark last night.
Speaker 13 (38:19):
You know, go out compete, just a game. You're a professional,
go out and play and that's all you can do.
Which I think though, because y'all got a lot of
answers and you'll always be talking. Oh, it's very interesting.
Nobody y'all don't got no. No, you guys have a
lot of opinions about how we do, what we're doing.
(38:41):
What you got no you yeah, you make a lot
of statements and broad statements that you have no context.
So what do you get your context from? Are you
in practice? Are you at our film session? Are you
anywhere around the building?
Speaker 7 (38:56):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (38:56):
No, I haven't seen that practice. So the false context
of and actually do you know me? No, you don't
know me. You don't know me. You don't know me,
but you make a lot of comments as though you
do know me. I'm calling a no, no.
Speaker 13 (39:12):
You don't mind intent. I see it, I see it
anybody else? Do you guys have any comments about how
we play with who were doing? You guys are quiet today,
but you guys have a lot of comments when the
game's going on, after the game, what we're doing, what
we should be doing, how we should be doing it?
Speaker 14 (39:29):
I'm confused. Oh let me let me hear. You must
have in our film session too.
Speaker 13 (39:36):
I'm not in your film session, but you guys have
the worst record in the NBA.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
Cool.
Speaker 10 (39:43):
I think it's great.
Speaker 11 (39:44):
I think I think this should happened more often where
players start peppering the local media for how critical they are.
Speaker 10 (39:49):
Sometimes, I mean, why not, right lebar.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
You're a well and I am a current media personality,
right sides of it, so I do see both sides
of it. They have a job to do the media,
and obviously the player has a job to do. But
when you have a player that takes the time to
actually address it to the level that he just did
you know in that that SoundBite, I mean, that's I mean,
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think about it.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
I do, like you know, I mean, he might be
honest with you man, And I know this is probably
I shouldn't feel this way because I'm a member of
the quote unquote media. When the player drops the you
never played the game card or something along those lines,
I think it's hilarious because it really is the kill shot.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
What do you say?
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Really?
Speaker 10 (40:35):
You know what I mean, what what he is?
Speaker 5 (40:37):
How do you how do you combat?
Speaker 7 (40:39):
You know?
Speaker 4 (40:40):
You know you know you're absolutely right, But I mean,
but you can be a little bit more creative if
you are the athlete, because that is the.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Easy go to you.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
You know, you can easily, you know, shut him down,
you know, like I don't want to, you know, I'm
not trying to turn this into a uh, you know,
Brian Cox Chris Meyer situation.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
But I would just say this, Nike.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
And that Russell Westbrook has shown he will bite back,
whether it's a fan, whether it's a member of the media,
he will talk back. And what's what's interesting about how
bad it is that he was in the same locker
room with Kevin Durant all those years, and Kevin Durant
will do the same thing to where he'll go back
at somebody on Twitter, he'll make a fake profile, which
(41:23):
makes me wonder, what the hell was that dynamic like
between those two guys. No wonder if they it wasn't
tenable after a while and they had to.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Go out towhere.
Speaker 11 (41:30):
But what does this also tell you these guys are
always paying attention. Yes, despite what they say, they are
paying attention to what you're right attention. I mean, Russ
clearly knew what exact reporters to go after, like he literally,
if you're watching the video of it, he's looking at
specific guys going what do you what do you think?
Speaker 5 (41:51):
What do you think?
Speaker 11 (41:52):
And then it keeps going where other guys are asking
him questions and he's just answering them. So he clearly
had a targeted sort of agenda there last night.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
But remember when he was celebrated when he signed the
extension with Oklahoma City after Kevin Durant left, and everyone's like, hey, man,
at least he showed some loyalty, bro, at least he
was loyal, unlike that bastard Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
He's been on sixteen since.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Yeah, Russell Westbrook has literally traveled the globe playing basketball,
and now he's on the Sacramento.
Speaker 11 (42:23):
King And guess what, I'm sure he'd like to be
on another team had they cut him for playoff parts.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Oh yeah, and you.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Know what, He's been in the league eighteen years now,
which is wild to think about. Do you think Russell
Westbrook's coming back next year? No guaranteed.
Speaker 10 (42:38):
Oh absolutely, he's coming back.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah yeah, Garano, you don't think so?
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Oh yeah, he'll find a job. We'll be there, No
way Are we done? Are we done?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Russell Westbrook's going to be there, man.
Speaker 5 (42:53):
I don't buy it. Not for one second do I
buy Russell Wilson Josh Johnson of the NBA.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Hey, he might be right, he might be back.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
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You can also hear LeVar and I during the week
on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe alongside Brady
Quinn six to nine am Eastern t I'm three o'clock
to six am Pacific time. As we get you said
for the weekend, lots of moving and shaking in the NFL,
lots of deals being done. We talked earlier about the
release of Geno Smith, Maybe not the biggest surprise. Gino Smith,
(01:16):
who made I think about fifty eight million dollars if
I'm not mistaken, fifty eight million from the Raiders Will
Take Home Raiders also gave up I believe, a third
round pick to do that also, so he has gone.
The report from Diana Rassini is that if they do
plan to move forward with Fernando Mendoza is the number
one pick, which they most likely are, that they're going
to hope that he sits initially and that they bring
(01:39):
in a veteran who's going to be the starter there,
which doesn't seem like it makes a whole hell of
a lot of sense. But nonetheless, there's that you mentioned
Rashawn Gary. He's out in Green Bay, so he's done.
Rashaan Gary is done. He posted a goodbye to social media.
Taylor Decker, the left tackle for the Lions. He is
also out in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
This is.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
The time of year where you're just you're seeing cost
cutting and cost CAF casualties left and right around the
National Football League. I know that you look at it
and you go, well, the best players are all retained,
and they don't reach free agencies. So that man, there's
some really talented players out there that are going to
be looking for work and are gonna get gobbled up
(02:23):
here pretty quickly that just couldn't make it work financially
with their previous teams.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
There were Shaw Gary one. That's a little peculiar. I mean,
you just brought in Michael Parsons to be what I
would consider a great compliment to what Rassan Gary brings
to the table. Now, if you feel like that's a
kind of a getting rid of a guy before it's
too late type of an approach, then maybe that makes
(02:50):
a ton of sense, I guess. But why would you
only give the Michael Parsons Rashaun Gary experiment one season? Yeah?
I would. I would think that you would want to
give it another another go, considering that Micah had the
setback with his knee. But I mean the amount of
(03:13):
success that they were able to have having them both
on the field was what's tremendous. I mean this You're
talking about a team that we looked at as a
potential Super Bowl competitive team. So that's a TapIt curious,
but I think it does make the now uh free
agent market a little bit what a little bit better
(03:36):
than what it was the day before with him with
him entering into it. I mean we said it wasn't
very impressive thus far. But but maybe with the additions
of some some you know, guys that get let go
leading up to free agency, uh in the start of
the new uh, the new league year, maybe maybe it
(03:56):
does improve. You know, maybe maybe it does get uh
dramatically better, maybe not dramatically, but better enough.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I just think and look, a lot of this maybe
is set up for moves that could be coming down
the pike, and that could be the Lions, you know,
addressing the offensive line in some other way. I also
look at it and I go, you know, this is
an indication that if you've got an opportunity to go
for it and win a championship and win your super Bowl,
(04:26):
when you get close, you gotta cash cash. Because we
were talking about this on our show earlier this week.
It was Dan Campbell who said, you know, maybe we'll
never get that close again, and he could and like
it could be a painful message, but he's right, and
it's like, well, yeah, Dan, like maybe you should have
kicked a couple of field goals there.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I mean, if that's if that's the kid, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
It's like a guy who loses all of his money
on blackjacket and he goes. You know, maybe that's as
close as I was going to get to be enrich.
Well yeah, so why'd you hit on eighteen? Like I
don't it's you know, play it safe from time to time,
take its dance. So now you've just seen you've seen
what's happened with the Lions since then, and you go,
all right, So, so Taylor Decker's gone, and look he was.
He's a little banged up and coming off to you.
(05:12):
But that's one thing. David Montgomery's out, Ben Johnson's gone,
Aaron Glenn's gone. Like it's just what that foundation was
for the Lions is gone. And so when you consider
you were in an NFC title game and we're leading
that NFC title game against the Niners and blew that game,
(05:34):
and then the next year you were hosting a playoff
game against Washington and got knifed in front of your
in front.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Of your fast I could have been one of them
days because Washington kind of took a step, big step
back then.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
They took all the way they stepped all they stepped.
They stepped it. They stepped into the basement to the
er the non playoff portal. You know, now what part
of the basement.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
You're like, oh, we should probably finish this part of
the basement off. They were starting on gravel and dirt.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
So like you look at Detroit and you go, all right,
you wonder how much the Ben Johnson effect was a
real effect there, that they couldn't make it work this
year and what they were missing. And then from the
Packers standpoint, the Packers go for a year felt like
last year, it seemed like that could have been it.
That was the one where you make the Micah Parsons move.
(06:28):
They were all I already thought Green Bay was going
to the super Bowl before that move, and then you
added Micah Parsons and the thought was, oh that was
that was the missing piece. And it really looked like
that for a while, and then all of a sudden,
tight end gets injured. Little things start to pop up.
Michael Parsons get injured, gets injured, You lose a couple
(06:49):
of awful games, blow games against your arch rival, and
now I'm starting to look around, going, man, maybe if
you're green Bay now Rareshawn Gary's gone. So to your point,
you had that duo coming off the edge. You had
that as pass rushers. Now you don't have that, and
you don't even have one of them because Michael Parsons,
who knows how long it's going to be before he's
back and back to full health and one hundred percent.
(07:12):
It's a completely different looking Green Bay team's different. And
your defensive coordinator left, Jeff Halfley left and now he's,
you know, the head coach of the Dolphins.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
So a lot of turnover there. Okay, So Jordan Love
had a breakout and I mean a breakout year in
twenty twenty three. His numbers aren't bad in twenty four
and twenty five. But Jonas, I'll pose this, did you
(07:42):
find yourself having more questions about Jordan Love as the
starting franchise quarterback for the Green Bay Packers at the
conclusion of this season, much like some of the other
teams that we talked about with a guy like very
very clear form comparison dust like the quarterback in Houston. Yeah,
(08:08):
we thought C. J. Stroud was on a meteorc rise.
I think we took the same approach with Jordan Love.
There's this meteorc rise. But did you find yourself having
questions as to did we see their best football in
that one season that they had in the early on
start of their career.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
You know what jumped out to me about Jordan Love,
and it's it's a small sample size because you know,
he got knocked out of the first game and it
was Malik Willis who finished it. But when you were
watching that playoff game in Chicago, and again keep in mind,
this is Jordan Love's had playoff experience and played pretty
well in the postseason. Caleb Williams had no playoff experience
(08:49):
and was dealing when the game was on the line.
When the game was on the line, if I were
to ask you, all right, you need a winning drive
from one.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Of these quarterbacks, who you going to?
Speaker 5 (08:57):
I'm going with Caleb.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It just felt like there's something there that isn't there.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yeah, Jordan, there's something that's there. So, yeah, that isn't there.
And you mentioned and you mentioned, you mentioned c J Stroud.
C J Stroud looked broken.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
I mean that was like that story you told me about. Hey, listen,
if you don't want to be with me beyond tonight,
I get it like, because that's what he definitely.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
When I went to bed, Yeah, I don't care. Hey
she married me, it's her fault. Yeah, I told her
dead sober. Was exhausted working three jobs, you know, early
on in my radio career, and you know, woke up
in a puddle.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
And she was nice enough to say, well, it's really
hot in here. Maybe you're just sweating. No, no, I'm not.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
No.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
That was that fifty yellow in my thirties wedding.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
The bed and I told her, hey, listen, if you
never want to talk to me again, I totally get it.
Thankfully there was a language barrier. But the point is,
the point is.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
She that was so good. She stuck it through, all right,
and the rest is history. From here. We can get
through this, We could get through anything, is what it is.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
But I mean I had to be the teammates.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Just so you're, yeah, you're watching there. There does appear
like there's teams going into this year. And that's why
when we brought up the fact that Colin said in
a top ten draft, Aaron Rodgers would be in the
top ten. Why it makes sense for a year is
because I think everybody's anticipating this next draft class. It's
not this one, it's the one after. And you've got
(10:43):
all of these quarterbacks that that got franchised money, like
Kyler Murray and Tua takabay Loa, and those organizations couldn't
wait to get rid of them, like they couldn't wait
to move off of them. And so I do wonder
if we're at the point now, which which circles all
the way back to the Raiders decision to reportedly not
want to start for Nanda Mendoza right away. I think teams,
(11:06):
I can understand a you want to you want to
slow it down, and you want to, you know, take
a slow pace to try and develop these quarterbacks and
these starters in the league. But I also think at
some point you'd like to know whether or not they
can play. And the only way you do that is
if you throw them out there and put them in
the line of fire.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
And you got Aaron Rodgers that's in front of your
quarterback that has been there, like a Brett Fahr when
Aaron Rodgers came in. If you have a I don't know,
I mean, you get my point, Like you have a
great established QB that's in front of you that you're
(11:45):
playing rue bledsoe was in front of you.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
It was brought into to be groomed. But like you
had an established starter. It makes sense if you and
and listen.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Tom Brady's different because it was he was a late
draft pick, so it's not like you were. You spent
a number one overall draft pick. I'm saying number one overall.
You got a number one pick overall, and you took
a quarterback, and you have an established quarterback that's in
the twilight of their career.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
You want to bring them along slow. He's gonna learn
and listen. I think it's overblown to say have a
mentor in this coach. No, it's not mentor. It's be
responsible enough as a rookie and a pro to learn.
Watch and listen, be seen, not heard, be present, right,
(12:35):
but not in the way be a fly on the wall.
Listen to what Aaron Rodgers that vet is saying. Listen
to what his reads are. Listen to how he communicates
with the coaching said. Listen to how he communicates with
the receivers. Learn what it's like to be a Patrick Mahomes.
Learn what it's like to be a Josh Allen in
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these situations. Learn it a Tom Brady. Learn it, and
then you apply it, and sometimes it doesn't even work.
But you have a better opportunity because you have a
model to compare and to learn from at this early
stage of your career is at breaking news. I'll say this,
(13:17):
if you're spending a number one overall draft pick on
a QB and you do not have a first ballot
bona fide Hall of famer that's playing good football when
you bring him in that into that building, do not
use a number one draft pick on a quarterback. Do
not do it.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I would, I would strongly advise you do not spend
a number one pick on somebody that you are not
planning on using a.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
I want him throwing the ball the minute we call
his name. Get sign your contract? Many you sign your name?
Come on, man for sad.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah, look at cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
You know what, you could say whatever you want about
what the Titans were last year, if they were a
bucket of puke, I totally totally get it, no matter.
But you know what, at least at least you've got
some information on the guy. You have some understanding of
all right, this is where he's struggling at this level,
and this is what we need.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
To do exactly, exactly. That's why look at get your measurer,
get your measurements, get your gang, your data. We live
in a data driven age. Get the data. It's a
number one overall draft pick. You're going to tell me
you're getting your data out of practice?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Doubt it.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Ain't no way, ain't no way. You're making that kid
better as a football player when you brought him in
as a number one overall draft pick as a quarterback.
As a quarterback, that is the position you do not
want to mess with in that way. You brought him
in as the number one pick. He should be starting
day one. I don't care. Oh, you got to earn it, No,
(15:00):
you don't. You earned it by being the number one
draft pick in this year to draft.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Now. Something to keep an eye on, Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
You got to earn it to keep it, Yeah, but
you ain't got to earn it to do it.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Now.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Something to keep an eye on. Lamar Jackson has been
a little active on social media today. Uh He posted
an Instagram story saying thank you Jesus as he was
in his Ravens gear. He posted the from training day
the gift of Denzel Washington saying boom on his social media.
(15:34):
And there's been some rumblings that the Ravens are a
team to watch in the Max Crosby sweepstake, So who
knows it could be There could be three different ways
this is happening. Either Lamar Jackson got his deal done
because they were trying to figure out a way to
rework his contract and get his get a new deal
done with him. Or there's a Max Crosby trader who
knows maybe lender Bomb's back.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Maybe maybe all three. So I would not be surprised
if all three were to have happened. Could be all three, Yeah,
and and and I'm surprised they didn't get a DJ more.
But but it was brought up in and and in
our update in the news update earlier on. Don't be
surprised if they land somebody like like AJ Brown. And
(16:17):
keep in mind the recruitment of it could be real.
One aspect of it that we didn't mention, who's a
running back for the Baltimore Ravens who has a friendship
in the history.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
With AJ Brown.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Oh, so we're in that we're entering into that legal
tampering uh, time of the year. But let's think about it.
Is it tampering if you to homie? You know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
All I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Is is it tampering if I called you and asked you,
how's the off season going for you?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
How's the family? Where are we going to hang? I
see you at Prime whatever? You know what I'm saying.
You know, we must throw some ones up in the air.
You know, you know who knows.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
I think there's a you know a big difference between
you know, blatantly offering a guy a contract who's currently
not out of his previous contract or trying to trade
with a player and negotiate with the player directly, which
you which you can't do. And there's a big between
that and you know, maybe Lamar Jackson says, hey man,
you know, let's get together. I know a lunch truck
(17:25):
in Baltimore that I've been seen at and if you
want to get some Mongolian barbecue, saying.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
HI, believe you me them is oxtails. And I was
talking about Derek Henry and his relationship with AJ Brown
when they were both in Tennessee. To all of those
out there, I might have sounded cryptic but just to
make sure we're clear. AJ Brown and Derek Henry friends
and we're teammates together in Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Roll up a crab cake and smoke him if you
got them telling you.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Man, Hey, hey, that crab cake strand is fire. To
throw a little bit of Old Bay on there.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I was, by the way, I was not familiar with
Old Bay until you told me about it.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Some Old Bay, the real deal. What I had no idea, bomb, baby.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I had no idea. Listen, man, my wife's Mexican.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
So if I'm not eating, I mean, if I'm not
eating what they make, they'll hold me at gunpoint.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
What's the what's the orange? What's the orange they got on?
Speaker 8 (18:22):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Yeaho, you got a Valentine Tabasco.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Yeah, you got all sorts of fun stuff. You put
that type of TiO on the candy. They put it
on on the rim of their their drinks. Like what
else they put it on there.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
There's a whole bunch of other stuff that they put
the and they won't let you.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
They won't let you leave unless you eat. So if
you're hungry, you got to come up with new. So
one of the things I did. Yeah, So one of
the things I do is if if I tell them no,
I'm not hungry, I know I'm gonna get asked two
or three more times by her family. So I'll just
pick up anything next to me and pretend it's a phone.
Like I'll grab somebody's shoe and be like, yeah, I'm
still here and just walk out of the room so I.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Don't have to deal with it anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
If it was a sneaker, oh anything, yeah, remote control,
like you know't direct TV remote?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
You're still here? So good? Yeah, Oh it's great. It's
so good. Yeah, So we'll keep you post.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Who knows what Lamar Jackson's referring to on a social
media It's gonna come out.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
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Speaker 4 (20:03):
On Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington Jonas Knox in for Colin.
Coming up in about twenty minutes from now, You're going
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Speaker 3 (20:40):
David Chow, who we saw radio row in.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
The Super Bowl or at the Super Bowl in San
Francisco moments after he had Ryan Leaf in a dars
choke I believe based on the reports. But all all
getting aside, doctor Chow. Happy to have you with us.
How are things?
Speaker 7 (20:57):
I'm doing great? Look at you guys, I'm here.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yeah, we are a big time So let me ask you.
You obviously were the physician team physician in the NFL
for almost two decades. You've been around this stuff for
years and years and years. When you see Jason Tatum
return this quickly, yet somebody like a Dame Lillard and
a Tyrese Halliburton there's not even a thought they'd come
(21:21):
back this year. How much of this do you think
was sped up based on the fact that the Celtics
have a chance to win a title.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
Well, return to play is always multifactorial. Not every injury
is the same, not every recovery is the same, not
every rehab is the same, and not every situation is
the same. This is a nice quick recovery for Jason Tatum,
Hats off to him, but it's also not the quickest
one in NBA history. I mean Wesley Matthews, Kobe Bryant,
(21:51):
Rudy Gay, Dominic Wilkins, Chauncey Phillips all came back a
little bit quicker than Jason Tatum. Of course, we all
look at the longer returns for Evan Durant, who did
return to one hundred percent, and we say this is
nice quick return. And you mentioned some other guys, but
return to play doesn't mean someone is one hundred percent.
(22:12):
And as great as Tatum is done, I doubt he's
Jason Tatum at one hundred percent when he comes back
to play tonight. I think it's spot play working himself
in with the Celtics, who have a very good team
playoff bound, figuring out what his role is and get
acclimated ahead of the playoffs. But still kudos to him
for all the hard work that he is engendered.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
All right, So.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
We talked a few a lot, I guess, some some
different topics at the Super Bowl. But one of the
things was the Max Crosby conversation. And you know the
concerns about what he may or may not have going on,
but what is the do you have a latest update
on Max Crosby's health? Was this more a utting him
(23:00):
down based off of where the team was or was
it based off of really protecting him and what would
perceive to be a sore knee.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Look, I'm not inside the building in terms of rumors
and what's going on. Look at Mike Silver, Jay Glaziers,
others reporting the possible trade and that he's done. But
from a medical perspective, I think the narrative that we
had in December that the Raiders were tanking, they were
shutting Max Crosby down against his will, is really not correct.
(23:33):
They were shutting him down for his own good. It
turns out it was a meniscus repair, not a trim.
Meniscus trim is a much smaller surgery, quicker recovery. Meniscus
repair is much longer. As a matter of fact, obviously
I haven't examined Max Crosby, but I would imagine technically
he does not pass a physical today because it's only March.
(23:57):
It's only three months from the meniscus repair. Meniscus prepare
recoveries are minimum four to six months, and so that
may be what is complicating the potential trade, not just
the asking price, but he has to pass the physical
and no trade is consummated or final until a physical
is passed. If he's wanted to get traded, certainly he
(24:19):
could share his electronic or other medical records so a
team could project him to be healthy. But as of today,
I don't think he passes a physical, and maybe there
is a role in that in terms of teams not
pulling the trigger or perhaps not beating the asking price yet.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Doctor David Chow joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox in.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
For The Herd.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Let me ask you one thing, because we were kind
of kicking this around. Just to go back quickly on
the Jason Tatum stuff, Reggie Miller spoke on the Dan
Patrick Show and was mentioning that, you know, based on
the documentary and sort of sort of how things timeline
wise happen. Listen to Reggie Miller's ex explanation as to
what he saw in watching the Tatum documentary as to
(25:03):
why he's back this quickly.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
The best thing if there was knock on wood, the
best thing when he tore his achilles in Game five.
I believe in New York that the doctor was right there,
that they attached it right away, and the thinking was
the body didn't even know that it had that traumatic experience.
That's how quickly, within twenty four hours, they had the
(25:25):
surgery on the achilles. So that's why he is so
far ahead of schedule versus a Damian Lillard or Tyrese
Halliburton is because they had the surge.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
When you hear that, do you buy that thought that
because the doctor happened to be there, they got the
surgery done so quickly the body didn't recognize the traumat
one unders Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Is from a medical standpoint.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
I love Reggie Miller, and I'll take all kinds of
three point shooting advice from him, But I don't know
that this is and there's any medical factual basis for this. Certainly,
doing the surgery in one day is perhaps better than
doing it in a week or two, which is what
happens in the normal world for us mere mortals. But
I don't think if the body recognizes that there's a
(26:11):
tear immediately. Jason Tatum recognized there's a tear immediately, could
there be a little less swelling in there? Okay? Maybe,
but I think it's his hard work rehab and sometimes
the type of tear that allows him to return and
quite honestly, where the Celtics are where he really wants
to return, whereas no offense to Kevin Durant and Kevin
(26:32):
Durant's situation who tore it in that NBA Finals besides
being a big man seven footer and besides it being June.
He waited all that next season and into the next final,
into the following season to make sure he really was
one hundred percent, and when he came back, he really
was one hundred percent. This is why I'm saying, I'm
not sure Jason Tatum is one hundred percent right now.
(26:54):
I'm not saying he can't come back and be effective.
What Reddy says is awesome, but I would say is
the recovery for Achilles is also being accelerated by other things.
Blood flow restriction therapy is part of it. I've seen
in that same documentary that Jason Tatum has some of
those tourniquet type devices on to help blood flow restriction
(27:15):
to help healing. That is something that we saw Aaron
Rodgers do when he tried to return in the same
season in the NFL. Didn't make it back because the
Jets didn't make the playoffs. But there's a lot of
things accelerating the recovery. I think only a very smart part.
I mean, look, I'd love it to get credit to
say the doctor was there and therefore we really helped out,
(27:38):
which you know is great. And I helped. The doctor
helped out certainly from a psychological perspective and being there
and getting the right diagnosis and reassuring Jason Tatum on
his return. But the body does recognize a rupture or
a tear immediately.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Okay, and looking at where Jason is, is there any
risk of there being any type of re injury of
any kind of any sort.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Well, when you say any risk, the answer is yes.
And I'm not trying to scare Celtics fans and I'm
not saying he's not ready. But you know, any sort
of quick eccentric load. Is the Achilles as strong today
as it will be months from now? Answer is probably no.
This is why Durant took, you know, five hundred days
to return. Kudos to Tatum for wanting to return, but
(28:31):
I don't think once again, he's one hundred percent And
I'll give you something else, He's not one hundred percent safe.
If you really want to talk about it, and I
hope I don't jinxt the man on the other side.
It's not uncommon to have a second Achilles happen after
a first We've seen it in the NFL in many instances.
Terrell Suggs is one that comes to mind. So I
hope saying that doesn't place any jinks on Jason Tatum.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Doctor David Choud joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox in for The Herd. What can
you tell us about Caleb Downs the Prospect? He was
at the combine, there was a medical red flag something
about the ACL. What can you tell us about that situation?
And it is something to monitor.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
It's something to monitor, but I don't make a lot
of it. First of all, not at all distrusting the
reporter that said it, not distrusting the source or a
scout that said it. But in my time in the NFL,
I've been to twenty combines and I always met with
the GM or assistant GM. It was never with a scout.
And therefore there's the game of telephone that can happen.
(29:36):
And let me tell you something. If you're talking about
a player getting flagged at Combines. Out of the three
hundred and thirty players that are there, there aren't one
or two at most at our flag to extent, which
is do not draft, you cannot draft them. They're probably
about thirty or forty or so, sometimes up to fifty
(29:56):
red flags where someone has an issue that currently at
the Combines they don't pass the physical, but they could
project the pass the physical, so it's sort of a
stop sign there. And there's probably another a third of
the three hundred and thirty one hundred or more that
have a yellow flag, which is some history of injury
that might affect their longevity or something down the road,
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but that doesn't always affect their draft status at all.
So I guess what I'm saying is just because someone
is flagged, I'd say a third of athletes and the
Combines are flagged in some way, but that doesn't mean
they're going to drop in the draft or be undraftable.
And I'm old enough that when I first started going
to Combines, GMS would tell me is this guy going
(30:40):
to be our left tackle for the next twelve to
fifteen years? Well, by the time I was done, the
question was is this guy going to get us? Get
through his first contract is all they cared about, right,
And there are other instances too. You know, there was
a draft pick Sony Michelle for the Patriots, a thirty
second pick in the first round, where we say he's
(31:00):
got the gendive knees and he's not going to last.
But guess what, the Patriot rode him to a super
Bowl in his rookie year. He did not have a
long career, but they wrote him to a super Bowl
in that first year. So there's all sorts of reasons
for picking players. And I don't make a ton out
of the kleb Downs report so far.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
One last one for you here, doctor Chow. Patrick Mahomes,
what's the realistic timeline for him, because we're talking about
you know, these moves Kansas City is making, you know,
they're trading away you know, star players on defense, they're
restructuring contracts. We're looking at this is is this the
end of the run for Kansas City? Is a legitimate
(31:41):
Super Bowl contender? And one of the things that's kind
of been buried in all this is Mahomes is coming
off a pretty serious injury first of his career, really
to this extent at his age when do you expect
him to be full go for next year?
Speaker 7 (31:56):
Well, Patrick Mahomes has been a beast in terms of
his play and also getting to end. We remember him
playing through a high ankle spring and winning the Super
Bowl on that. This knee injury is a little bit different.
It's more than just an ACL, and we've talked about
it a lot at Sports Injury Central sicscore dot com.
It's a multi ligament injury where he tore his LCL
(32:16):
as well as his ACL, which is why he had
the accelerated immediate surgery, not because his body wouldn't recognize it,
but because it's a repair of the LCL and then
a reconstruction of the ACL makes it more complicated. The
best comp for this as a quarterback actually was Carson
Wentz when he was with the Eagles. It happened in
(32:37):
LA against the Rams, tours LCL and ACL. Nick Foles
came in and won the Super Bowl. Carson Wentz was
not ready for Week one last year. He rushed it
back week four or so and ended up with some
back issues. Compensatorily, here's the thing, could Patrick do I
expect Patrick Mahomes to return to one hundred percent or
(32:58):
being Patrick Mahomes the magician that he is. The answer
is yes. Will that happen week one? That is definitely
in question. I don't think he'll be one hundred percent
himself week one. Is he healthy enough to try and
play Week one? Maybe? Will he want to play Week one? Certainly?
Will the Chiefs let him play week one when he's
(33:19):
not one hundred percent that's the bigger question mark, and
they may exercise some caution because he is absolutely the franchise.
You don't want him to not be one hundred percent
and suffer another injury. And I think they're going to
take it day by day and see how he is,
But if there's any additional risk, they may not have
him playing at the start of next season given the
(33:41):
severity of the knee injury.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Doctor David Chow always appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
You can get him on x at Pro Football, Doc,
and we look forward to updates when some of the
wheelings and dealings happen. It happen, and we'll monitor the
Jason Tatum situation. Good stuff, Doc, We appreciate you man.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Thank you guys, Yes, sir, thank you. There he is
doctor David Chow with us here on Fox Sports. Radio.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
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No, no turns.
Speaker 11 (35:29):
This is the herd Line news great two yeah, no
standing ovation.
Speaker 10 (35:34):
This hour's Oh yeah, I love it. I love it.
I wish everyone could see that. LeVar, You're gonna like
this one.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Do it.
Speaker 10 (35:42):
Brian Kelly is back.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
He has resurfaced as the price of college football rosters
continue to skyrock around the country. Listen to what Brian Kelly,
the former LSU coach, said this morning on Sirius XM
on the state of college football and LSU's roster next year.
Speaker 12 (35:57):
College football is not in a bad place. The revenue
is ridiculous. Like I don't even know how LSU's doing
it right. They're paying lang Kiffin whatever they're paying me.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
That's crease.
Speaker 12 (36:06):
That shouldn't happen, but it is because the money is
out there. So the problems are real. But college football
is still at a pretty good place.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
It's in a great place, and they're paying a forty
million dollars roster by the way down there, I mean.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Maybe a little more, Yeah, a little bit more if
you want to tell us so how much more?
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Want? You know?
Speaker 4 (36:27):
We'd love that with that, With that being said, more
than forty I'll tell you that.
Speaker 11 (36:31):
More than forty million dollars for LSU's roster. Now, Colin
has said the SEC is in a real trouble with
nil because basically they have schools like Texas and Air
and them keeping them afloat with all their big business tax.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
Oil money, and I like the Big ten.
Speaker 11 (36:45):
They don't have the luxury of the Nike money and
the financial money in Chicago, New York markets and the
Hollywood money in La Ucla USC So, I mean this
is crazy, Like LSU, I don't know how they can
afford a forty million dollars roster, but it's it's so
out of control that there's like there's no guardrails in place.
(37:05):
And then you hear my favorite is when you hear
guys like Brian Kelly and other people involved in college
football take shots.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
At other people.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
And when that was the coach, it was good enough.
It's like it's like two serial killers next to each
other and he one looks over at the other and goes, God, really,
we're the same guy.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
What do you mean? Don't give me that look. It's
just the whole thing's odd.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
But you know, I guess if you got the Boddy
and you can, I just wish we could go back
to the blue Chips days where you could just buy
somebody a tractor and they'd come to your shop. It
was good enough, good enough, Yeah, why not you don't
get somebody who's mom a job, who doesn't doesn't deserve it,
and you know pay, you know, drop off a double
bag full of cash and make.
Speaker 10 (37:48):
It that we'd saved the best.
Speaker 11 (37:50):
Usually this segment is called the best for last.
Speaker 10 (37:54):
We've said the best for last.
Speaker 11 (37:56):
So last night Russell Westbrook turned the tables on the media.
The Kings lost their fiftieth game of the season. They
have the worst record of the NBA. Russell Westbrook has
been surprisingly quiet this year, but last night he let
loose on the local assembled assembled Sacramento media, with the
reporters starting the press conference asking what they can accomplish
in these last nineteen games. After hitting the fifty loss
(38:18):
mark last night.
Speaker 13 (38:19):
You know, go out compete, just a game. You're a professional,
go out and play and that's all you can do.
Which I think though, because y'all got a lot of
answers and you'll always be talking. Oh, it's very interesting.
Nobody y'all don't got no. No, you guys have a
lot of opinions about how we do, what we're doing.
(38:41):
What you got no you yeah, you make a lot
of statements and broad statements that you have no context.
So what do you get your context from? Are you
in practice? Are you at our film session? Are you
anywhere around the building?
Speaker 7 (38:56):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (38:56):
No, I haven't seen that practice. So the false context
of and actually do you know me? No, you don't
know me. You don't know me. You don't know me,
but you make a lot of comments as though you
do know me. I'm calling a no, no.
Speaker 13 (39:12):
You don't mind intent. I see it, I see it
anybody else? Do you guys have any comments about how
we play with who were doing? You guys are quiet today,
but you guys have a lot of comments when the
game's going on, after the game, what we're doing, what
we should be doing, how we should be doing it?
Speaker 14 (39:29):
I'm confused. Oh let me let me hear. You must
have in our film session too.
Speaker 13 (39:36):
I'm not in your film session, but you guys have
the worst record in the NBA.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
Cool.
Speaker 10 (39:43):
I think it's great.
Speaker 11 (39:44):
I think I think this should happened more often where
players start peppering the local media for how critical they are.
Speaker 10 (39:49):
Sometimes, I mean, why not, right lebar.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
You're a well and I am a current media personality,
right sides of it, so I do see both sides
of it. They have a job to do the media,
and obviously the player has a job to do. But
when you have a player that takes the time to
actually address it to the level that he just did
you know in that that SoundBite, I mean, that's I mean,
(40:14):
think about it.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
I do, like you know, I mean, he might be
honest with you man, And I know this is probably
I shouldn't feel this way because I'm a member of
the quote unquote media. When the player drops the you
never played the game card or something along those lines,
I think it's hilarious because it really is the kill shot.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
What do you say?
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Really?
Speaker 10 (40:35):
You know what I mean, what what he is?
Speaker 5 (40:37):
How do you how do you combat?
Speaker 7 (40:39):
You know?
Speaker 4 (40:40):
You know you know you're absolutely right, But I mean,
but you can be a little bit more creative if
you are the athlete, because that is the.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Easy go to you.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
You know, you can easily, you know, shut him down,
you know, like I don't want to, you know, I'm
not trying to turn this into a uh, you know,
Brian Cox Chris Meyer situation.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
But I would just say this, Nike.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
And that Russell Westbrook has shown he will bite back,
whether it's a fan, whether it's a member of the media,
he will talk back. And what's what's interesting about how
bad it is that he was in the same locker
room with Kevin Durant all those years, and Kevin Durant
will do the same thing to where he'll go back
at somebody on Twitter, he'll make a fake profile, which
(41:23):
makes me wonder, what the hell was that dynamic like
between those two guys. No wonder if they it wasn't
tenable after a while and they had to.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Go out towhere.
Speaker 11 (41:30):
But what does this also tell you these guys are
always paying attention. Yes, despite what they say, they are
paying attention to what you're right attention. I mean, Russ
clearly knew what exact reporters to go after, like he literally,
if you're watching the video of it, he's looking at
specific guys going what do you what do you think?
Speaker 5 (41:51):
What do you think?
Speaker 11 (41:52):
And then it keeps going where other guys are asking
him questions and he's just answering them. So he clearly
had a targeted sort of agenda there last night.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
But remember when he was celebrated when he signed the
extension with Oklahoma City after Kevin Durant left, and everyone's like, hey, man,
at least he showed some loyalty, bro, at least he
was loyal, unlike that bastard Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
He's been on sixteen since.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Yeah, Russell Westbrook has literally traveled the globe playing basketball,
and now he's on the Sacramento.
Speaker 11 (42:23):
King And guess what, I'm sure he'd like to be
on another team had they cut him for playoff parts.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Oh yeah, and you.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Know what, He's been in the league eighteen years now,
which is wild to think about. Do you think Russell
Westbrook's coming back next year? No guaranteed.
Speaker 10 (42:38):
Oh absolutely, he's coming back.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah yeah, Garano, you don't think so?
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Oh yeah, he'll find a job. We'll be there, No
way Are we done? Are we done?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Russell Westbrook's going to be there, man.
Speaker 5 (42:53):
I don't buy it. Not for one second do I
buy Russell Wilson Josh Johnson of the NBA.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Hey, he might be right, he might be back.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
Hey, everybody, enjoy your weekend. I hope you'll enjoyed the show.
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