May 6, 2026 • 31 mins
NBA analyst Rachel Nichols joins the show to tell Colin if Austin Reaves and LeBron are enough to carry the Lakers past OKC and why the Timberwolves were successful defensively against Wemby in Game 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Rachel Nichols covers the NBA Fox Sports. Okay, she joins
US live, So listen. You have you deal with us
all the time. You talk to people in locker rooms.
You know a lot of times, you know, you can
tell when you've been doing this. There's things that are
said that they don't want Rachel to go I talked
to JJ Reddick, yes, and then there are things that'll
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they'll go on the record with. I would imagine you
hear a lot about this, yeah, off the record, because
they don't they don't want to rip officials. But you
hear this a lot in the league.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Well, you have two categories of guys, right. You have
guys who are a bit reliant on it at their
game and they'll sit there and tell you this is
part of the game, and he does it. Why shouldn't
I do it. And look, there are anti flopping measures
that have been instituted in the NBA in the.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Past couple years.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
We had I think in twenty twenty three, twenty four
it was a trial rule, and then the year after
it was adopted as a real permanent rule. That's when
they put in official flopping penalties, unsportsmanlike conduct penalties that
officials can call. So the NBA will tell you we've
already addressed this. Your point, though, on the point of
the other portion of players I talk to.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Is hey, it's not working.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Guys are still doing it and it's ruining some of
the flow of the game. And so the question is
the rule is already there. It's there kind of almost recently,
so they're not going to put in a new rule.
But what I do think might happen in this offseason
is you might see them talk to the refs about
making it a quote point of emphasis. And that's what
the NBA does when they feel like the rule is
in place but it's not being called enough, and they
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say going into the season, this is a quote point
of emphasis. And then at the beginning of the season,
I know a lot of fans don't realize this. An
officiating crew will go and talk to every single team
during the preseason, have a meeting with them with visual
aids and say these will be our points of emphasis.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Be warned.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So I wouldn't be surprised if we see a little
bit more of that in the beginning of the preseason
next year.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
You know, I've said this with part of take baseball
out of it, where there's no salary cap, but a
big part of I mean, great players like AJ Brown
got moved out of Tennessee, and I remember Mike Vrabel's
reaction to the press conference. It was like, I just
lost my offense, like it happens all the time. Austin Reeves'
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cap HiT's gonna triple plus, triple plus. And we saw
this Rachel with Derek White. Derek White, if he is
a four, you can win a championship this year. He
was often asked during the Tatum injury to be a
two and he didn't play as well. Right, you're asking
him now to guard better players and you're running more
of the offense through them, and then there are limitations
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based on just physical traits. And I look at Austin Reeves,
I would love Austin at certain prices. It's Baker Mayfield
that thirty five million. He's a steel At fifty five million,
I'm going to draft the quarterback. These new owners, you
know this. In Los Angeles they moved off Corey Seeger Bellinger,
Manny Machado. They've moved off stars because the numbers don't work. Three.
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I mean, forty eight million dollar cap hit for Austin
Reeves is there? I mean, if he has a couple
more games like this in the series, does the brain
trust say, guys, this is punitive now?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Look, he Austin Reeves showed them through an entire season
what he could do. The way he compliments Luca, Luca
loves having him around, and keeping Luca happy is very
important to the Lakers, not just in terms of long
term contract stuff, but Luca is an emotional player and
when he's happy, he plays better. So that is important
for all the on the court and frankly off court
reasons too. Austin Reeves had an oblique injury that should
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have kept him out for at least six weeks, probably
eight weeks, and he came back early.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
And that is to me what we saw last night.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
He is not himself out there, and I think, if anything,
he's going to get credit from the organization for trying
to play through it, because at least if you're a
body out there, you're someone that they have to guard,
especially if you are an offensive talent like Reeves. So
I expect him to sort of work his way back
through this series. Obviously, the Thunder one of the best
defensive teams in the league, so they're going to make
it extra hard on him, and he is still hurting
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and the hours he spends in the training room right
now are evidence of that. So I don't think anyone's
going to count this series or that performance last night,
which was terrible, but I don't think it's going to
count against him in contract negotiations this summer.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So you know, considering Lebron has been in the public
eye for twenty three years, his missteps may have been
a tweet about China. The public breakup of the Cavs
was a little rough, you know, the brawny thing did
he and Rich paul I defended that it was a
terrible draft. It was second round. Brownie's a good kid.
He plays hard. He's actually better than I thought he
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would be in there.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
He needed him in the last round, by the way, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Better than I thought. But Rich Va, I want you
to react to this. Here's rich Paul talking about Lebron
and what he deals with.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
The reason why you don't hear a lot of conversation
about Jokich is because I don't believe people are happy
to see jo lose. But when Lebron loses, people are
happy to see him lose.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
There's something about this, especially his peers.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Guys that played in the league that have platforms today
for different reasons.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
It's extra they are happy to see him lose. Is sad?
What do you make of that?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Damn straight they are? You know why?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Because Lebron bullied the entire league for about two decades.
This is the case of the guy who not only
sort of capped careers. There are players in this league,
many many elite players in this league who would have titles,
who would have rings if not for Lebron. And we
said that about Michael Jordan the years right. Think about
the players that we can point to, they definitely would
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have had a ring if not for Michael Jordan. Well,
Lebron has been bullying guys for a lot longer than
Michael Jordan ever did think about it. You talked about
players with platforms. Paul George, Right, he's still in the league,
but he has a podcast. His career would have gone
completely different in the East when he was in Indiana
if not for Lebron James. There were entire franchises who
built up and then got destroyed by Lebron and then
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had to build down again. The Toronto Raptors, obviously, the
Indiana Piecers, the Boston Celtics dynasty if it was one,
was broken up by Lebron James. So of course they're
happy when he has a misstep or when things go
poorly for him.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
They were on the other end of those fisticuffs for
so long.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I think it's really just a testament to Lebron's greatness
more than it says anything about anyone else.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
In Wemby hasn't been around long enough to be a villain.
But I could see people in the league being like,
you know you, media people are giving him flower that
his offensive game isn't even refined yet. I wonder if
you polled. There was a poll that came out in
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The Athletic Today overright underrated you guys should get it
to me? How do you if you have if you
polled NBA players and you said t Wolves or Spurs.
My gut is the players would root for ANT. They
like ANT, and I think they like kind of the toughness,
you know that, Julius Randall, the Nas read. I find
Minnesota easy to root for. They're just veterans. You're not overlooked,
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but you know, not always aesthetically beautiful players. Outside of Ant,
who do you think players are rooting for around the
league in that series?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I think guys like both of these teams, you know.
I think there's a lot of respect around the league
for you know what the Wolves are, the way they
are able to ratchet it up in the playoffs after
having these you know characteristically now uneven seasons. Chris Finch
is very respected around the league. Ant, you know, has
a lot of guys attention by the way he plays
both sides of the floor and the way that he
frankly just has that you know factor, the charisma. But
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I actually think that other players like Wemby and have
a ton of respect for him and don't think he's overrated.
You have guys all season who have made the point
that he is just completely on another level from them,
you know, through throughout the year and what they project
for him for the rest of his career. I mean,
Jalen Brown at one point during the season said I
think right now I'm the best two way player in
the league. And then at the end of that sentence,
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he paused and he goes, of course, you know, non
Wemby division.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I mean literally, that is what he said. Guys call
him an alien.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
That nickname has really stuck with the other players around
the league. I don't think they think he's overrated at
this point at all. I do think what we saw
with him last night was that players think they have
a little bit of a window of opportunity right now
when he still is new and fresh and hasn't figured
everything out.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And the book on him all.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Season because he's played so well, has been that the
only way to stop him offensively is to really get
up under him. And that is what we saw the
Timberwolves do last night. They jammed him. They jammed him
in the chest, in the hip, and they take take
away some of the power of that first step, which
is just so lethal with Wemby. And it also means
that he just gets discombompulated and he's not used to
dealing with that yet. I'm interested, Colin in what you
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think about how he's going to adjust for the rest
of the series, because I kept saying over, you know,
during our predictions phase of these playoffs. I think the
spurs youth will show at times during these playoffs. But
Wenby is such a student of the game. I expect
him to come back in the next game knowing better
how to deal with it.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Or do you think that he just doesn't have it yet.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Well, I think it's a bad matchup a little bit
for San Antonio because if you take out the COVID
year where older players miss their wives and families and
they were like, I mean, like Lebron talked about that,
like I had to get the guys together and say, guys,
this is brutal. We're playing, you know, a theme park,
but it was rough on older players. So younger players
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for the only time in my life, kind of took
the playoffs over. Yeah, right, single guys, no kid, they
were just having fun. The playoffs are mostly about old
guys that can manipulate the refs, guys that can make
adjustments in the fourth quarter. I said at the other night,
when these games go into the fourth. The minute that
Game one went into the fourth, I'm like, oh no,
Minnesota had a four point lead, five point lead. It
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was their game, And I think it's a I think
it's a tough matchup. I think if you took every
NBA roster and you just said we're gonna do strength
tests and physical tests, Minnesota would win. I think they
have the Randall Nas McDaniel go bear. I think experience, wisdom, length, toughness.
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I think Wenby's gonna have. I mean, listen, he struggled
in Game one at home. I think there's a little
bit of a book on him. I think you said it.
I think Randall Nas, I think those guys are bad matchups.
I don't think it's gonna be a great serious form.
And you know the other thing, Rachel, he's not a
creative or an initiatory. He's a disruptor on the d
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defensive end, and he's a finisher on the offensive end.
But he does need people to engineer or initiate the
He's not Jokis that way. He's more Kareem. You know,
he's the finisher and the disruptor when you put Magic
with Kareem. That's a dynasty. Yeah, so I I mean
my take is this is a seven game series.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, for sure. Absolutely we thought we would see that
in these too. But I'm sure you guys have seen
the Embiid news. We'll see what happens there. I'm very
curious to see how the Sixers operate tonight with Joel
Embiid ruled out because are we going to see Tyrese
Maxi take over that game or are they just gonna
have to let Kat run wild and then they're not
gonna have an answer for him and we're going to
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see another dominant performance from the Knicks. I just don't
know how competitive this east side of the bracket is
going to be.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Totally agree. Rachel Nichols covering the NBA since nineteen ninety three,
Good senior.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Righte, Thanks you bet.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, that's a bummer on Joel Embiid, although they were
seven and a half point favorite with Embid ten and
a half, so you know, it's interesting and b dominates
the Boston series has given Kat huge problems and the
number only moves two and a half three points, I mean,
you know, and it goes to show in short spurts.
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In very very short spurts, you can lose your start.
The first two games of the Houston series without Luca
Ayton and Ruie and Luke Canard were great. Then you
get a lot of game film, then you can go
back and prepare them. By game three, Houston should have
won that game. By game three, your feeling is, yeah,
they miss Luca. So you're generally speaking for a game
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or too. Like in football, sometimes you can for a half,
you can, you can overcome on scheme, but eventually, if
you have Christian McCaffrey in the lineup or Trent Williams
the Niners. Later in games, you don't want to back
up quarterback. If brock perty is stowing thirty eight times,
you don't want to back up left tackle. You can
overcome it early, take a lead schemes, try to run,
but if you fall behind your in Big Trub. I
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think tonight Philadelphia will play Hair on Fire. I think
they'll be super aggressive. I think it'll be competitive. But
you know, if you go back to the regular season,
the games in the regular season that we all watched
were ok see san Antonio Oka see Hair or San
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Antonio had their number, but if they played again, we'd
probably take Oka See and the games we talked about
in the East this year were the Detroit Nick games,
which Detroit controlled. Detroit controlled in the regular season. I
would probably take the Knicks, and that shows you the
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divide between the regular season and the postseason. I would
take okay See over San Antonio till the Spurs dominated
the regular season. I would take the Knicks over the Pistons,
although Detroit pushed them around in the regular season, It's
a different sport.
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Speaker 1 (14:32):
Had Mike Lafleura coach the Arizona Cardinals Rachel Nichols, as
well as NBA playoff stuff continues. Here's J Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
News no no turn on the news. This is the
Herdline news. We haven't talked a lot of NFL.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
Let's jump into the Minnesota Vikings, Colin. They added your guy,
Kyler Murray in the offseason. He'll battle my guy reluctantly.
JJ McCarthy. Well, Randy Moss, the immortal Viking wide receiver,
has chimed been saying he's excited for Kyler Murray, saying
that Kyler has something to prove and it's I mean
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it's from Randy Moss others in the organization.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
It's sounding like Kyler Murray has the edge.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Well, of course he does that. You don't think Conler
Murray is better than JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Based on what being the number one pick throws a
great ball.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Was based on talent. I think Kyler Murray doesn't lack
confidence elusiveness.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
We have experience that talent in a couple of years.
Have you looked at his numbers the last two years?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I mean, what he's healthy? That is well, what is
he working with? I mean, who's succeeding at Arizona at
a high level.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Maybe Aaron Rodgers next year. But I don't know. I mean,
I guess I understand it.
Speaker 8 (15:46):
Okay, Conler Murray is a big name, but Colin he
hasn't lived up to the expectations.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
He just hasn't been great.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Okay, haven't we learned from Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield
there are certain places you're going to struggle to succeed Jets, Cleveland, Arizona.
Of the thirty three qualified quarterbacks, JJ McCarthy had the
lowest passer in Yeah, he was not great. Lest Kyler Murray.
We've seen this time and time again where a quarterback
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either gets a new coach Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams and
you're like wow, or they move Sam Darnold twice Minnesota
Seattle and you go wow. I mean, Baker Mayfield, people
were kind of done with him, and then he gets
Liam Cohen, Dave Kanalis as ocs and you're like, is
Baker a pro bowler? I think Kyler Murray's gonna work.
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I think, you know, I think he was a little
distracted in Arizona. I don't think it's an organization that
had necessarily great leadership. I think Minnesota is now they've
got to hire a full time GM. I don't think
he's as good as Sam Darnold. I've said this before,
but I think he's a I have always I don't
know how you watch him and don't see the talent.
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I think he's talented.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
You can see the talent, but never on display fully.
Speaker 8 (17:01):
So I can't tell from that Instagram post who posted
that as trainer, because that's pretty brazen to say, QB
one loading bro. You've barely been in the facility. You
just got to the team, and you're announcing yourself.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Okay, so let me ask you this. Okay, I don't
have his numbers in front of me. What was it.
Let's just let's just and he had bad old lines
in Arizona. We have to be fair here. He played
in a great division. Again, great coach. He usually had
the fourth best coach in his division. Okay, so that
we have to be fair, Mary Bay Shanahan, now Mike McDonald.
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He he usually had the fourth best coach in his division,
all right, okay, and without question, the weakest ownership situation,
sure easily. Okay, So that's that's the starting point. So
his career in Arizona, bad old lines, suboptimal ownership, Okay, okay,
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nine bass rated, sixty seven percent completion percentage, and super elusive.
Those are real numbers.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
Okay, listen, I'm not I'm not fully backing McCarthy anymore.
I was optimistic the pairing with with KOC last year.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
It didn't really happening. To die on there, I'm gonna
die on this hill. Kyler Murray is one of the
twelve most talented quarterbacks in the league. Twelve, one of
the twelve closer to twelve than one.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Okay, what do you call? What define talent? What are
we using to measure?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Let me ask you this, So, how many years has
Stafford been in LA under the great stewardship of McVay?
Five years now? Sure? No? No?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
No less than that?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
No? Four or five years? Five?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Okay, okay, Matt Stafford career passer rating, Kyler Murray career
passer rating identical.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
All right, you said he's one of the twelve most talented.
I'm just gonna do NFC. Let's go through the NFC.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
It'll take it out. I'll do it right now. So
just put Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Up, No, No, let's go division by division.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
That's much eases, okay, Josh Allen, Ma Holmes, Mahomes, Lamar
Jackson okay. Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, Matt Stafford five, okay, one, two, three, four, five?
Justin Herbert, Justin Herbert, Okay six. I like C. J.
Stroud as talented. I think I think C. J. Stroud Okay, okay,
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I mean Dak Prescott, sorry how many times?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Okay, We're gonna put Dak Prescott in there. Super Bowl
MVP Jalen.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Hurts, Okay, we'll put him in his talented uh.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
The quarterback of the Washington Commanders who went to the
Healthy Championship.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Jadon Daniels is ten. Okay.
Speaker 8 (19:58):
Caleb Williams is eleve, He's definitely more talented. That's undeniable.
Jared Goff, I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Heed's timout more talent.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
WHOA?
Speaker 8 (20:08):
Okay, all right, we won't put Goff in for for
for purposes of this, I think brock perty given what
he's done.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
In the God give me a break. What number one pick,
last guy drafted needs nothing?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Wait, Drake may Is Drake May in there.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I'd like I'd like Jayden Daniels. I think Drake May. Okay,
Kyler Murray is the one.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Wait wait, we haven't even got to your guy bo
Nix yet.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I take Kyler's talent.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
Trevor Lawrence is more talented out there. You better not
try to put Sam.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Darnold's more talented.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Hold on, hold on, I'll give you Darnald. You won't
give me Purty, but all.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Right, hold on, Josh mahomes Lamar Burrough, Stafford. Okay, okay,
I'm gonna mark these down. Josh mahomes Lamar Burrow, Stafford, Halo,
Drake May, Sam Darnold is he's bigger, Jordan Love, bigger,
stronger Herbert Okay, okay, I'm gonna say Jordan Love. I'm
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gonna put Jordan Love in here, should I. I'm gonna
slow down on Dak. I like Dak, but Dak doesn't
move anymore.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
There's in no way Kyler's more talented than Dak.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Come on, he is One's a first round pick.
Speaker 9 (21:19):
There's a number one pick that's based on like college mets.
College stats is based on Nod's not based on stats
from college at all. It's based on potential, you know,
GM drafts on college stats.
Speaker 8 (21:32):
K Kyler Murray was really good in college. I got
that Dak was solid.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Jaden Daniels, Okay, I'm just talking talent.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
Okay, Trevor Lawrence, he has to be there. He was
number one generational quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Okay, I'm here one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight nine. Okay, I've got I've got Kyler tied for
four sixteen.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, Okay, let's let's move on. Let's keep talking quarterbacks
because this is fun.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
Let's go to arch Manning. Our guy, Alreer was on
a podcast recently talking about arch Manning. This is interesting.
It was the podcast with Todd McShay and Breer had
a super interesting comp.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
For arch Manning in college.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Here we go as far as like where he is
right now.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Somebody said justin fields to me, and I thought that
was really interesting. You know, as a guy who can
make plays off schedule, who when everything is right, the
mistake that a lot of people are making with him
just from and again, I'm not an evaluator.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I feel like I have to give that disclaimer. But
this is based on the people that I'm talking to.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Is that like that, this is like Peyton or Eli
with athleticism, and that's not what this is.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I'm sure some people here justin fields and are like WHOA.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
The difference is I watched Eli play an ole Miss
with no talent and he was really good. And I
watched Peyton play a ton at Tennessee with a bunch
of talent. He was extraordinary. The thing about Arch it
is hard sometimes to unsee things right. Arch was so
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bad in the first four or five stars last year.
He lost all of his confidence. It is hard to
unsee that. So now he had a very good second
half of the season. But Sark is a great quarterback
coach and Texas has tremendous talent. I need to see
another fifteen starts. I'm really undecided on Arch. Undecided, I
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really am. I don't know what he is.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
Well, they just picked up the best wide receiver in
the transfer portal, Cam Coleman, who's a superstar. And if
Arch can't dominate with him, I mean, well, a lot
of questions.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I see some justin Herbert.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
Not the size obviously, but the off script stuff, the
playmaking with his legs. I mean, look at that the rollout,
that's Justin Herbert right there, not as big Arch has
a great arm.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Justin did not play with Texas talent there than had.
I mean Justin didn't have the offensive schematic head coach
that Arch has. So Arch is playing with elite talent,
Arch from an elite super smart family, but he has
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doesn't have many starts. So I'm like, I, you know,
we do this every year, A Quinn, you or Grant
and a Smeyer. It's like, I don't know. I'm I'm undecided.
It's hard for me when I see something to go okay,
unsee it. He looks so nervous. I mean, he was
(24:38):
skipping balls.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Shake it off. He's gonna be fine, dude, come.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
On, don't I'm not managed. This is not a criticism.
I just don't know yet. I think if his name
was Arch Jacobs, we keep giving him the oh, it's good,
you got Sark, you got Texas talent. They just got
the number one receiver in the portal. I think I
want to watch. I mean, he'd been blown me away.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Can we go to a game?
Speaker 8 (25:05):
You and I will take your guess up the private
jet and head down to Austin for a game.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Come on, I don't know what you're talking about. I
say Southwest Road twenty eight baby.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
All right, final story. Let's go to the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
They just brought in Messiah Jerry Yes to be their
new MAVs president. They've had no leadership for like basically
the last eighteen months, and now he's admitting in his
press conference that he took the job for one reason,
and that's Cooper Fly.
Speaker 10 (25:32):
There's a healing process with that. Luca is a Hall
of famer, future hall of famer, and uh, that's the past.
I always say in Africa, always say when king's goat,
kings come and the king went, and we have a
(25:53):
little prince here. Now we've got to turn into a kink. Yeah,
and I think we have to start thinking about Wait.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
So there's only two people in the league I would
build around before Luca, and that's Cooper Flag and Webin Young.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I think those are the guys that are have next
in the league. Maybe not next year, but no.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I would go. I'd go Wemby, I'd go Cooper Flag. Yeah,
I would go.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And I mean Cooper Flag is is this guy.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
What he did is a rookie Colum Wemby, Cooper Flag
and and the kid we're going to have on tomorrow
from yu.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
Oh Davonsa's on tomorrow. Yes, you know, the MAVs could
get him. They have a small chance I.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Think at getting the number one pick.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
You know, I just put up a mock draft. We
should talk about that next week when you're back.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
No, it's interesting. Last year Luca gets traded and the
Mavericks have these slim chances and get Cooper. What's interesting
is the Warriors have the same person and its chance
as the Mavericks last year. What if they land.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
The fans will go crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I actually want to see him land in Utah. I
think it'd be great. I think it'd be fan because
I think Utah is really really close to being pretty
pretty darn good. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
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Speaker 1 (27:25):
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Speaker 2 (27:32):
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Speaker 1 (27:37):
Laker fans want to know. NBA fans want to know,
is Luca gonna play in this series? He talked today
about his injury and potential return with the Lakers.
Speaker 11 (27:48):
I'm just doingan can Like I said. Every day, I'm
doing stuff I'm supposed to do. You know, I see
covering now I'm working. But doctor said eight weeks at
the beginning, go the first time are so you know,
I'm just going day by day and I.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Feel better every day. So he's been out five, they
said eight. Generally pro athletes, heel about twenty five percent
faster than you think. Is he ten days away? Will
you make it back at week seven? I think the
series will be over by then. It is interesting though,
(28:27):
Lebron once again, at forty one years old, he got
twenty six year old Anthony Davis, and he struggled with
his conditioning and health. And now he's got also in
his prime Luca and he's struggling with his conditioning and
his health. And here is Lebron. You know, not a
lot of kryptonite out there for this guy. Is I
(28:50):
mean I was actually surprised last night. I mean my
takeaway at halftime was they're in this thing. SGA wasn't
playing well. I mean Lebron had more points, fewer turnovers,
and shot a better field glob percentage I believe than
the raining MVP. I mean it's just and they just
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I mean, think about last night, you got no Luca
Austin was awful, chet Holgreen was unbelievable, and Lebron basically
on the road. It was a competitive It was a
really competitive first half. I kept waiting for Oka See
to pull away, and they didn't. It was a really
competitive series. So I don't know, I mean my take
it to I think what we're looking at. I think
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that the series of the second round, the series of
the Semis is really going to be San Antonio and Minnesota.
I don't know what the line is. I haven't checked
the day on that, but I think Minnesota is just built.
There are sometimes where a team comes out flat or
a player like Wemby just has a bad game. Wemby
will be better. I think Minnesota, however, just is a
(29:57):
really tough matchup for San Antonio. So I think the
game is a gonna be really close. You know, we
said going into this season, Oklahoma City was favored. We
like the Celtics if Tatum came back. Nobody really bought
Detroit as a number one seed. I think we all
thought Denver would be better. We forgot about Minnesota because
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they were a sixth seed. The Lakers are always a
bit overhyped, and we didn't know if san Antonio really
had the sea legs in the playoffs, and I'll be honest,
after that first game, they kind of got pushed around.
So you know they're going to come out tonight and
try to make a statement. I would take san Antonio
to win tonight, but I think over the course of
a sixty seven game series, there are some things that
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Minnesota did in Game one that I think they'll be
able to repeat like and didn't play much, so An's
gonna play a lot more. Wemby's gonna play better, But
there are things due to personnel and roster construction, there
are things Minnesota did in Game one, and I think
they're going to be on a fairly regular basis be
able to continue to do. I think Wemby's gonna get
pushed around a little bit. He's gonna have better nights
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than Game one, but it's gonna get pushed around a
little bit. And that's it for us. All right, good stuff.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Rachel Nichols covers the NBA Fox Sports. Okay, she joins
US live, So listen. You have you deal with us
all the time. You talk to people in locker rooms.
You know a lot of times, you know, you can
tell when you've been doing this. There's things that are
said that they don't want Rachel to go I talked
to JJ Reddick, yes, and then there are things that'll
(00:45):
they'll go on the record with. I would imagine you
hear a lot about this, yeah, off the record, because
they don't they don't want to rip officials. But you
hear this a lot in the league.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Well, you have two categories of guys, right. You have
guys who are a bit reliant on it at their
game and they'll sit there and tell you this is
part of the game, and he does it. Why shouldn't
I do it. And look, there are anti flopping measures
that have been instituted in the NBA in the.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Past couple years.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
We had I think in twenty twenty three, twenty four
it was a trial rule, and then the year after
it was adopted as a real permanent rule. That's when
they put in official flopping penalties, unsportsmanlike conduct penalties that
officials can call. So the NBA will tell you we've
already addressed this. Your point, though, on the point of
the other portion of players I talk to.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Is hey, it's not working.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Guys are still doing it and it's ruining some of
the flow of the game. And so the question is
the rule is already there. It's there kind of almost recently,
so they're not going to put in a new rule.
But what I do think might happen in this offseason
is you might see them talk to the refs about
making it a quote point of emphasis. And that's what
the NBA does when they feel like the rule is
in place but it's not being called enough, and they
(01:51):
say going into the season, this is a quote point
of emphasis. And then at the beginning of the season,
I know a lot of fans don't realize this. An
officiating crew will go and talk to every single team
during the preseason, have a meeting with them with visual
aids and say these will be our points of emphasis.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Be warned.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So I wouldn't be surprised if we see a little
bit more of that in the beginning of the preseason
next year.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
You know, I've said this with part of take baseball
out of it, where there's no salary cap, but a
big part of I mean, great players like AJ Brown
got moved out of Tennessee, and I remember Mike Vrabel's
reaction to the press conference. It was like, I just
lost my offense, like it happens all the time. Austin Reeves'
(02:34):
cap HiT's gonna triple plus, triple plus. And we saw
this Rachel with Derek White. Derek White, if he is
a four, you can win a championship this year. He
was often asked during the Tatum injury to be a
two and he didn't play as well. Right, you're asking
him now to guard better players and you're running more
of the offense through them, and then there are limitations
(02:55):
based on just physical traits. And I look at Austin Reeves,
I would love Austin at certain prices. It's Baker Mayfield
that thirty five million. He's a steel At fifty five million,
I'm going to draft the quarterback. These new owners, you
know this. In Los Angeles they moved off Corey Seeger Bellinger,
Manny Machado. They've moved off stars because the numbers don't work. Three.
(03:20):
I mean, forty eight million dollar cap hit for Austin
Reeves is there? I mean, if he has a couple
more games like this in the series, does the brain
trust say, guys, this is punitive now?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Look, he Austin Reeves showed them through an entire season
what he could do. The way he compliments Luca, Luca
loves having him around, and keeping Luca happy is very
important to the Lakers, not just in terms of long
term contract stuff, but Luca is an emotional player and
when he's happy, he plays better. So that is important
for all the on the court and frankly off court
reasons too. Austin Reeves had an oblique injury that should
(03:54):
have kept him out for at least six weeks, probably
eight weeks, and he came back early.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
And that is to me what we saw last night.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
He is not himself out there, and I think, if anything,
he's going to get credit from the organization for trying
to play through it, because at least if you're a
body out there, you're someone that they have to guard,
especially if you are an offensive talent like Reeves. So
I expect him to sort of work his way back
through this series. Obviously, the Thunder one of the best
defensive teams in the league, so they're going to make
it extra hard on him, and he is still hurting
(04:24):
and the hours he spends in the training room right
now are evidence of that. So I don't think anyone's
going to count this series or that performance last night,
which was terrible, but I don't think it's going to
count against him in contract negotiations this summer.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So you know, considering Lebron has been in the public
eye for twenty three years, his missteps may have been
a tweet about China. The public breakup of the Cavs
was a little rough, you know, the brawny thing did
he and Rich paul I defended that it was a
terrible draft. It was second round. Brownie's a good kid.
He plays hard. He's actually better than I thought he
(04:57):
would be in there.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
He needed him in the last round, by the way, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Better than I thought. But Rich Va, I want you
to react to this. Here's rich Paul talking about Lebron
and what he deals with.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
The reason why you don't hear a lot of conversation
about Jokich is because I don't believe people are happy
to see jo lose. But when Lebron loses, people are
happy to see him lose.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
There's something about this, especially his peers.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Guys that played in the league that have platforms today
for different reasons.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
It's extra they are happy to see him lose. Is sad?
What do you make of that?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Damn straight they are? You know why?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Because Lebron bullied the entire league for about two decades.
This is the case of the guy who not only
sort of capped careers. There are players in this league,
many many elite players in this league who would have titles,
who would have rings if not for Lebron. And we
said that about Michael Jordan the years right. Think about
the players that we can point to, they definitely would
(06:03):
have had a ring if not for Michael Jordan. Well,
Lebron has been bullying guys for a lot longer than
Michael Jordan ever did think about it. You talked about
players with platforms. Paul George, Right, he's still in the league,
but he has a podcast. His career would have gone
completely different in the East when he was in Indiana
if not for Lebron James. There were entire franchises who
built up and then got destroyed by Lebron and then
(06:25):
had to build down again. The Toronto Raptors, obviously, the
Indiana Piecers, the Boston Celtics dynasty if it was one,
was broken up by Lebron James. So of course they're
happy when he has a misstep or when things go
poorly for him.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
They were on the other end of those fisticuffs for
so long.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I think it's really just a testament to Lebron's greatness
more than it says anything about anyone else.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
In Wemby hasn't been around long enough to be a villain.
But I could see people in the league being like,
you know you, media people are giving him flower that
his offensive game isn't even refined yet. I wonder if
you polled. There was a poll that came out in
(07:06):
The Athletic Today overright underrated you guys should get it
to me? How do you if you have if you
polled NBA players and you said t Wolves or Spurs.
My gut is the players would root for ANT. They
like ANT, and I think they like kind of the toughness,
you know that, Julius Randall, the Nas read. I find
Minnesota easy to root for. They're just veterans. You're not overlooked,
(07:30):
but you know, not always aesthetically beautiful players. Outside of Ant,
who do you think players are rooting for around the
league in that series?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I think guys like both of these teams, you know.
I think there's a lot of respect around the league
for you know what the Wolves are, the way they
are able to ratchet it up in the playoffs after
having these you know characteristically now uneven seasons. Chris Finch
is very respected around the league. Ant, you know, has
a lot of guys attention by the way he plays
both sides of the floor and the way that he
frankly just has that you know factor, the charisma. But
(08:01):
I actually think that other players like Wemby and have
a ton of respect for him and don't think he's overrated.
You have guys all season who have made the point
that he is just completely on another level from them,
you know, through throughout the year and what they project
for him for the rest of his career. I mean,
Jalen Brown at one point during the season said I
think right now I'm the best two way player in
the league. And then at the end of that sentence,
(08:23):
he paused and he goes, of course, you know, non
Wemby division.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I mean literally, that is what he said. Guys call
him an alien.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
That nickname has really stuck with the other players around
the league. I don't think they think he's overrated at
this point at all. I do think what we saw
with him last night was that players think they have
a little bit of a window of opportunity right now
when he still is new and fresh and hasn't figured
everything out.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And the book on him all.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Season because he's played so well, has been that the
only way to stop him offensively is to really get
up under him. And that is what we saw the
Timberwolves do last night. They jammed him. They jammed him
in the chest, in the hip, and they take take
away some of the power of that first step, which
is just so lethal with Wemby. And it also means
that he just gets discombompulated and he's not used to
dealing with that yet. I'm interested, Colin in what you
(09:10):
think about how he's going to adjust for the rest
of the series, because I kept saying over, you know,
during our predictions phase of these playoffs. I think the
spurs youth will show at times during these playoffs. But
Wenby is such a student of the game. I expect
him to come back in the next game knowing better
how to deal with it.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Or do you think that he just doesn't have it yet.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Well, I think it's a bad matchup a little bit
for San Antonio because if you take out the COVID
year where older players miss their wives and families and
they were like, I mean, like Lebron talked about that,
like I had to get the guys together and say, guys,
this is brutal. We're playing, you know, a theme park,
but it was rough on older players. So younger players
(09:50):
for the only time in my life, kind of took
the playoffs over. Yeah, right, single guys, no kid, they
were just having fun. The playoffs are mostly about old
guys that can manipulate the refs, guys that can make
adjustments in the fourth quarter. I said at the other night,
when these games go into the fourth. The minute that
Game one went into the fourth, I'm like, oh no,
Minnesota had a four point lead, five point lead. It
(10:11):
was their game, And I think it's a I think
it's a tough matchup. I think if you took every
NBA roster and you just said we're gonna do strength
tests and physical tests, Minnesota would win. I think they
have the Randall Nas McDaniel go bear. I think experience, wisdom, length, toughness.
(10:38):
I think Wenby's gonna have. I mean, listen, he struggled
in Game one at home. I think there's a little
bit of a book on him. I think you said it.
I think Randall Nas, I think those guys are bad matchups.
I don't think it's gonna be a great serious form.
And you know the other thing, Rachel, he's not a
creative or an initiatory. He's a disruptor on the d
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defensive end, and he's a finisher on the offensive end.
But he does need people to engineer or initiate the
He's not Jokis that way. He's more Kareem. You know,
he's the finisher and the disruptor when you put Magic
with Kareem. That's a dynasty. Yeah, so I I mean
my take is this is a seven game series.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, for sure. Absolutely we thought we would see that
in these too. But I'm sure you guys have seen
the Embiid news. We'll see what happens there. I'm very
curious to see how the Sixers operate tonight with Joel
Embiid ruled out because are we going to see Tyrese
Maxi take over that game or are they just gonna
have to let Kat run wild and then they're not
gonna have an answer for him and we're going to
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see another dominant performance from the Knicks. I just don't
know how competitive this east side of the bracket is
going to be.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Totally agree. Rachel Nichols covering the NBA since nineteen ninety three,
Good senior.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Righte, Thanks you bet.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, that's a bummer on Joel Embiid, although they were
seven and a half point favorite with Embid ten and
a half, so you know, it's interesting and b dominates
the Boston series has given Kat huge problems and the
number only moves two and a half three points, I mean,
you know, and it goes to show in short spurts.
(12:16):
In very very short spurts, you can lose your start.
The first two games of the Houston series without Luca
Ayton and Ruie and Luke Canard were great. Then you
get a lot of game film, then you can go
back and prepare them. By game three, Houston should have
won that game. By game three, your feeling is, yeah,
they miss Luca. So you're generally speaking for a game
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or too. Like in football, sometimes you can for a half,
you can, you can overcome on scheme, but eventually, if
you have Christian McCaffrey in the lineup or Trent Williams
the Niners. Later in games, you don't want to back
up quarterback. If brock perty is stowing thirty eight times,
you don't want to back up left tackle. You can
overcome it early, take a lead schemes, try to run,
but if you fall behind your in Big Trub. I
(13:00):
think tonight Philadelphia will play Hair on Fire. I think
they'll be super aggressive. I think it'll be competitive. But
you know, if you go back to the regular season,
the games in the regular season that we all watched
were ok see san Antonio Oka see Hair or San
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Antonio had their number, but if they played again, we'd
probably take Oka See and the games we talked about
in the East this year were the Detroit Nick games,
which Detroit controlled. Detroit controlled in the regular season. I
would probably take the Knicks, and that shows you the
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divide between the regular season and the postseason. I would
take okay See over San Antonio till the Spurs dominated
the regular season. I would take the Knicks over the Pistons,
although Detroit pushed them around in the regular season, It's
a different sport.
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Speaker 1 (14:32):
Had Mike Lafleura coach the Arizona Cardinals Rachel Nichols, as
well as NBA playoff stuff continues. Here's J Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
News no no turn on the news. This is the
Herdline news. We haven't talked a lot of NFL.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
Let's jump into the Minnesota Vikings, Colin. They added your guy,
Kyler Murray in the offseason. He'll battle my guy reluctantly.
JJ McCarthy. Well, Randy Moss, the immortal Viking wide receiver,
has chimed been saying he's excited for Kyler Murray, saying
that Kyler has something to prove and it's I mean
(15:07):
it's from Randy Moss others in the organization.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
It's sounding like Kyler Murray has the edge.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Well, of course he does that. You don't think Conler
Murray is better than JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Based on what being the number one pick throws a
great ball.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Was based on talent. I think Kyler Murray doesn't lack
confidence elusiveness.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
We have experience that talent in a couple of years.
Have you looked at his numbers the last two years?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I mean, what he's healthy? That is well, what is
he working with? I mean, who's succeeding at Arizona at
a high level.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Maybe Aaron Rodgers next year. But I don't know. I mean,
I guess I understand it.
Speaker 8 (15:46):
Okay, Conler Murray is a big name, but Colin he
hasn't lived up to the expectations.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
He just hasn't been great.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Okay, haven't we learned from Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield
there are certain places you're going to struggle to succeed Jets, Cleveland, Arizona.
Of the thirty three qualified quarterbacks, JJ McCarthy had the
lowest passer in Yeah, he was not great. Lest Kyler Murray.
We've seen this time and time again where a quarterback
(16:13):
either gets a new coach Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams and
you're like wow, or they move Sam Darnold twice Minnesota
Seattle and you go wow. I mean, Baker Mayfield, people
were kind of done with him, and then he gets
Liam Cohen, Dave Kanalis as ocs and you're like, is
Baker a pro bowler? I think Kyler Murray's gonna work.
(16:35):
I think, you know, I think he was a little
distracted in Arizona. I don't think it's an organization that
had necessarily great leadership. I think Minnesota is now they've
got to hire a full time GM. I don't think
he's as good as Sam Darnold. I've said this before,
but I think he's a I have always I don't
know how you watch him and don't see the talent.
(16:57):
I think he's talented.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
You can see the talent, but never on display fully.
Speaker 8 (17:01):
So I can't tell from that Instagram post who posted
that as trainer, because that's pretty brazen to say, QB
one loading bro. You've barely been in the facility. You
just got to the team, and you're announcing yourself.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Okay, so let me ask you this. Okay, I don't
have his numbers in front of me. What was it.
Let's just let's just and he had bad old lines
in Arizona. We have to be fair here. He played
in a great division. Again, great coach. He usually had
the fourth best coach in his division. Okay, so that
we have to be fair, Mary Bay Shanahan, now Mike McDonald.
(17:34):
He he usually had the fourth best coach in his division,
all right, okay, and without question, the weakest ownership situation,
sure easily. Okay, So that's that's the starting point. So
his career in Arizona, bad old lines, suboptimal ownership, Okay, okay,
(17:58):
nine bass rated, sixty seven percent completion percentage, and super elusive.
Those are real numbers.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
Okay, listen, I'm not I'm not fully backing McCarthy anymore.
I was optimistic the pairing with with KOC last year.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
It didn't really happening. To die on there, I'm gonna
die on this hill. Kyler Murray is one of the
twelve most talented quarterbacks in the league. Twelve, one of
the twelve closer to twelve than one.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Okay, what do you call? What define talent? What are
we using to measure?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Let me ask you this, So, how many years has
Stafford been in LA under the great stewardship of McVay?
Five years now? Sure? No? No?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
No less than that?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
No? Four or five years? Five?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Okay, okay, Matt Stafford career passer rating, Kyler Murray career
passer rating identical.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
All right, you said he's one of the twelve most talented.
I'm just gonna do NFC. Let's go through the NFC.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
It'll take it out. I'll do it right now. So
just put Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Up, No, No, let's go division by division.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
That's much eases, okay, Josh Allen, Ma Holmes, Mahomes, Lamar
Jackson okay. Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, Matt Stafford five, okay, one, two, three, four, five?
Justin Herbert, Justin Herbert, Okay six. I like C. J.
Stroud as talented. I think I think C. J. Stroud Okay, okay,
(19:40):
I mean Dak Prescott, sorry how many times?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Okay, We're gonna put Dak Prescott in there. Super Bowl
MVP Jalen.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Hurts, Okay, we'll put him in his talented uh.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
The quarterback of the Washington Commanders who went to the
Healthy Championship.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Jadon Daniels is ten. Okay.
Speaker 8 (19:58):
Caleb Williams is eleve, He's definitely more talented. That's undeniable.
Jared Goff, I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Heed's timout more talent.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
WHOA?
Speaker 8 (20:08):
Okay, all right, we won't put Goff in for for
for purposes of this, I think brock perty given what
he's done.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
In the God give me a break. What number one pick,
last guy drafted needs nothing?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Wait, Drake may Is Drake May in there.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I'd like I'd like Jayden Daniels. I think Drake May. Okay,
Kyler Murray is the one.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Wait wait, we haven't even got to your guy bo
Nix yet.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I take Kyler's talent.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
Trevor Lawrence is more talented out there. You better not
try to put Sam.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Darnold's more talented.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Hold on, hold on, I'll give you Darnald. You won't
give me Purty, but all.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Right, hold on, Josh mahomes Lamar Burrough, Stafford. Okay, okay,
I'm gonna mark these down. Josh mahomes Lamar Burrow, Stafford, Halo,
Drake May, Sam Darnold is he's bigger, Jordan Love, bigger,
stronger Herbert Okay, okay, I'm gonna say Jordan Love. I'm
(21:09):
gonna put Jordan Love in here, should I. I'm gonna
slow down on Dak. I like Dak, but Dak doesn't
move anymore.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
There's in no way Kyler's more talented than Dak.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Come on, he is One's a first round pick.
Speaker 9 (21:19):
There's a number one pick that's based on like college mets.
College stats is based on Nod's not based on stats
from college at all. It's based on potential, you know,
GM drafts on college stats.
Speaker 8 (21:32):
K Kyler Murray was really good in college. I got
that Dak was solid.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Jaden Daniels, Okay, I'm just talking talent.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
Okay, Trevor Lawrence, he has to be there. He was
number one generational quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Okay, I'm here one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight nine. Okay, I've got I've got Kyler tied for
four sixteen.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, Okay, let's let's move on. Let's keep talking quarterbacks
because this is fun.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
Let's go to arch Manning. Our guy, Alreer was on
a podcast recently talking about arch Manning. This is interesting.
It was the podcast with Todd McShay and Breer had
a super interesting comp.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
For arch Manning in college.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Here we go as far as like where he is
right now.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Somebody said justin fields to me, and I thought that
was really interesting. You know, as a guy who can
make plays off schedule, who when everything is right, the
mistake that a lot of people are making with him
just from and again, I'm not an evaluator.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I feel like I have to give that disclaimer. But
this is based on the people that I'm talking to.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Is that like that, this is like Peyton or Eli
with athleticism, and that's not what this is.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I'm sure some people here justin fields and are like WHOA.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
The difference is I watched Eli play an ole Miss
with no talent and he was really good. And I
watched Peyton play a ton at Tennessee with a bunch
of talent. He was extraordinary. The thing about Arch it
is hard sometimes to unsee things right. Arch was so
(23:11):
bad in the first four or five stars last year.
He lost all of his confidence. It is hard to
unsee that. So now he had a very good second
half of the season. But Sark is a great quarterback
coach and Texas has tremendous talent. I need to see
another fifteen starts. I'm really undecided on Arch. Undecided, I
(23:32):
really am. I don't know what he is.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
Well, they just picked up the best wide receiver in
the transfer portal, Cam Coleman, who's a superstar. And if
Arch can't dominate with him, I mean, well, a lot
of questions.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I see some justin Herbert.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
Not the size obviously, but the off script stuff, the
playmaking with his legs. I mean, look at that the rollout,
that's Justin Herbert right there, not as big Arch has
a great arm.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Justin did not play with Texas talent there than had.
I mean Justin didn't have the offensive schematic head coach
that Arch has. So Arch is playing with elite talent,
Arch from an elite super smart family, but he has
(24:17):
doesn't have many starts. So I'm like, I, you know,
we do this every year, A Quinn, you or Grant
and a Smeyer. It's like, I don't know. I'm I'm undecided.
It's hard for me when I see something to go okay,
unsee it. He looks so nervous. I mean, he was
(24:38):
skipping balls.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Shake it off. He's gonna be fine, dude, come.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
On, don't I'm not managed. This is not a criticism.
I just don't know yet. I think if his name
was Arch Jacobs, we keep giving him the oh, it's good,
you got Sark, you got Texas talent. They just got
the number one receiver in the portal. I think I
want to watch. I mean, he'd been blown me away.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Can we go to a game?
Speaker 8 (25:05):
You and I will take your guess up the private
jet and head down to Austin for a game.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Come on, I don't know what you're talking about. I
say Southwest Road twenty eight baby.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
All right, final story. Let's go to the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
They just brought in Messiah Jerry Yes to be their
new MAVs president. They've had no leadership for like basically
the last eighteen months, and now he's admitting in his
press conference that he took the job for one reason,
and that's Cooper Fly.
Speaker 10 (25:32):
There's a healing process with that. Luca is a Hall
of famer, future hall of famer, and uh, that's the past.
I always say in Africa, always say when king's goat,
kings come and the king went, and we have a
(25:53):
little prince here. Now we've got to turn into a kink. Yeah,
and I think we have to start thinking about Wait.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
So there's only two people in the league I would
build around before Luca, and that's Cooper Flag and Webin Young.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I think those are the guys that are have next
in the league. Maybe not next year, but no.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I would go. I'd go Wemby, I'd go Cooper Flag. Yeah,
I would go.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And I mean Cooper Flag is is this guy.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
What he did is a rookie Colum Wemby, Cooper Flag
and and the kid we're going to have on tomorrow
from yu.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
Oh Davonsa's on tomorrow. Yes, you know, the MAVs could
get him. They have a small chance I.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Think at getting the number one pick.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
You know, I just put up a mock draft. We
should talk about that next week when you're back.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
No, it's interesting. Last year Luca gets traded and the
Mavericks have these slim chances and get Cooper. What's interesting
is the Warriors have the same person and its chance
as the Mavericks last year. What if they land.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
The fans will go crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I actually want to see him land in Utah. I
think it'd be great. I think it'd be fan because
I think Utah is really really close to being pretty
pretty darn good. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
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Speaker 1 (27:25):
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Speaker 2 (27:32):
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Speaker 1 (27:37):
Laker fans want to know. NBA fans want to know,
is Luca gonna play in this series? He talked today
about his injury and potential return with the Lakers.
Speaker 11 (27:48):
I'm just doingan can Like I said. Every day, I'm
doing stuff I'm supposed to do. You know, I see
covering now I'm working. But doctor said eight weeks at
the beginning, go the first time are so you know,
I'm just going day by day and I.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Feel better every day. So he's been out five, they
said eight. Generally pro athletes, heel about twenty five percent
faster than you think. Is he ten days away? Will
you make it back at week seven? I think the
series will be over by then. It is interesting though,
(28:27):
Lebron once again, at forty one years old, he got
twenty six year old Anthony Davis, and he struggled with
his conditioning and health. And now he's got also in
his prime Luca and he's struggling with his conditioning and
his health. And here is Lebron. You know, not a
lot of kryptonite out there for this guy. Is I
(28:50):
mean I was actually surprised last night. I mean my
takeaway at halftime was they're in this thing. SGA wasn't
playing well. I mean Lebron had more points, fewer turnovers,
and shot a better field glob percentage I believe than
the raining MVP. I mean it's just and they just
(29:10):
I mean, think about last night, you got no Luca
Austin was awful, chet Holgreen was unbelievable, and Lebron basically
on the road. It was a competitive It was a
really competitive first half. I kept waiting for Oka See
to pull away, and they didn't. It was a really
competitive series. So I don't know, I mean my take
it to I think what we're looking at. I think
(29:34):
that the series of the second round, the series of
the Semis is really going to be San Antonio and Minnesota.
I don't know what the line is. I haven't checked
the day on that, but I think Minnesota is just built.
There are sometimes where a team comes out flat or
a player like Wemby just has a bad game. Wemby
will be better. I think Minnesota, however, just is a
(29:57):
really tough matchup for San Antonio. So I think the
game is a gonna be really close. You know, we
said going into this season, Oklahoma City was favored. We
like the Celtics if Tatum came back. Nobody really bought
Detroit as a number one seed. I think we all
thought Denver would be better. We forgot about Minnesota because
(30:17):
they were a sixth seed. The Lakers are always a
bit overhyped, and we didn't know if san Antonio really
had the sea legs in the playoffs, and I'll be honest,
after that first game, they kind of got pushed around.
So you know they're going to come out tonight and
try to make a statement. I would take san Antonio
to win tonight, but I think over the course of
a sixty seven game series, there are some things that
(30:39):
Minnesota did in Game one that I think they'll be
able to repeat like and didn't play much, so An's
gonna play a lot more. Wemby's gonna play better, But
there are things due to personnel and roster construction, there
are things Minnesota did in Game one, and I think
they're going to be on a fairly regular basis be
able to continue to do. I think Wemby's gonna get
pushed around a little bit. He's gonna have better nights
(31:01):
than Game one, but it's gonna get pushed around a
little bit. And that's it for us. All right, good stuff.
I got Friday off and so I am all my
energy tomorrow. No shortcuts, prep all night, total focus. Go home,
have some apple juice, Go to bed early. Be raring
to go tomorrow baby,
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