June 2, 2026 • 31 mins
3 time Super Bowl champ Julian Edelman gave us his thoughts on the Myles Garrett trade to LA and how AJ Brown will help Drake Maye's development in New England and how he'll fit within in the Patriots locker room
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Randy Moss and Edelman did overlap. Randy was there first,
I said Edelman was. Randy was there first, and then
for a year and a half, Edelman joined the Randy
Moss Patriots. And let's bring Julian on because I'm not
saying AJ Brown is Randy Moss, but I will say
this that AJ Brown with the run centric Titans and
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the run centric Eagles has been crazy. Top four productives,
So I think he's gonna pop in New England. But
let me ask you about that, because you were there
with Randy Moss. When you have a star number one
receiver in the receiver room during practice, during media scrums, like,
how does it change the temperature of the room? You
were you were young, you weren't established yet, but you
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were watching. You're an observer, you're self aware. How did
it change the temperature.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You know, when I was a young football player, you
and you step in a receiver room with Randy Moss
generational receiver. You also have Wes Welker, who was an
elite player at that time, but with Randy specifically, everyone
just straightens up. Like when you're a young football player,
you sit in that meeting. Randy didn't have to say anything,
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but you almost didn't want to let him down because
you saw how his practice was. You saw the examples
that he was given. And anytime that you had an
example as a young football player, if the coaches put
you on coaching tape, you'd like look over at Randy
because you wanted his approval because he's that big.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Of an aura in the in that room.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
So AJ, I think this is going to be an
awesome addition for them. By no means am I calling
him Randy. I think they're different types of players, but
when you get a guy like AJ Brown, instantly everyone's
job becomes easier in that room.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, and you you know Tom Brady's a friend of yours.
Do you feel sometimes if you're a receiver when you
have a star player obviously the quarterback, I mean, Tom
loved throwing to Randy is. Can you feel sometimes do
other players, tight ends, receivers get lost when you have
a superstar receiver in the room.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I think I was always on teams that were mentally
tough enough to do what was best for the team
as long as we were winning and we had an
opportunity to win, and the guy you're bringing in the
room gives you an opportunity to win every single week.
Guys fwallow their pride at least where I was, you know,
that was that was a testament to all you know,
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the upper division bringing in guys that wanted to win.
So I think you can't get lost in the sauce.
But if you're getting lost in the sauce and you're
playing in a second Super Bowl in three years or
two years, I think he'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
So I saw the Miles Garrett move yesterday, and I
always felt in New England they didn't do this, and
I wish they would have. Maybe they did, but they
never I never felt like they said, Okay, Tom's getting older,
let's stack the roster for Tom. Kind of Bill did
what Bill did, and it was always team first. The
Rams are like listen, Matt's older. We're getting McDuffie, we're
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getting Garrett, We're getting Devonte Adams last year. We're building everything.
It's almost like the Warriors with Curry. We're building everything
around Matt's timeline where they love Verse. We're gonna let
him go three draft picks. I like, when you get
an older quarterback going for it, it can backfire, But
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I don't feel like that was ever the New England way.
Were you okay with giving up three picks and a
great young player in Jared Verse for an older player
in Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, I think this is pretty standard protocol for less
sneed and what he does, and it only works for
one specific reason. When you go out and get the
big free agents like they did six seven years ago
with Matthew Stafford after going to a Super Bowl. It
only works if you draft guys and they work out
on your team. The Kyron Williams in the fifth round,
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the Puka Naku in the fourth round, the hitting on
your Jared Verse in the first round, who builds capital,
builds value enough for you to go out and get
a guy like Miles Garrett. You have to hit in
the draft for this whole thing to work. I mean,
we can look at other teams and say, well, they
bring in guys and it doesn't really work out.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
It's because they're not building through the draft as well.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
So seeing less sneaed go out and buy these guys
at the right positions that they feel that they need
to go out and win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
It's almost like deja vu to me.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You know, you look at the high end players on
the Rams. Stafford's gonna be a Hall of Famer, Miles
gonna be a Hall of Famer, PoCA Davonte Adams. You
just start looking. McDuffie has a chance to be a
Hall of Fame player. What is practice like? Go to
the most talented Patriots team you were ever on when
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you've got guys a half a dozen guys that are
Hall of Famers? Is practice more fun? Is it more competitive?
Is it more intense? Because they brought into a great team.
They brought in two defensive players who may be in Canton.
What does it make practice like?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You know, if I was on the offense to La Rams,
I assure you they're all on their text groups right
now saying we're gonna win the Super Bowl. It brings
a confidence in the building when you bring in guys
like that. For us, it was drel Reebs in fourteen.
You know, we go to the AFC Championship in thirteen,
keep gets hurt, We lose, We were kind of banged up.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
And then we bring in Revis the very next year.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
He not only brought a confidence to us because of
the player he's shown that he was in the league,
but every day in practice I got to go against him.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It made me a better player.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Every day in practice, that left tackle, that right tackle
for the Rams is going to have to go against
Miles Garrett. That secondary's gonna or that the receivers are
going to have to go against that secondary. With mcduffy,
it's going to sharpen this iron on iron type mentality.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Which we always used to say. The practices were always.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
So good because we practiced so hard. When you have
great players on both sides of the ball, it just
creates a confidence. It makes work so fun. I mean,
I remember when we brought in Antonio Brown. For those
three weeks or two weeks, I don't think a ball
hit the ground literally in practice for four or five days.
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We had elite practices. Philip Dorsett had to raise his
game because Antonio came in and put a fire up
when everyone's bum you know, flashboardon was making place. Everyone
was playing to a whole other level because Antonio came
in and there's only so many balls, and you know
he's going to get his so everyone's got to bring
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their egg in to try to get the ball in practice.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
So I think when you get.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
These type of superstar players, it ignites teams because it's
just like you look at the team, you look at
each other, and you're like, there's no excuse. We have
an opportunity to literally go out and win every single game.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
We strap them up this year.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So yeah, and the other thing is Miles Garrett and
Cleveland the Browns trailed in the fourth quarter whereas the
Rams every week. Yeah, with the Rams lead in the
fourth quarter, So he's going to have far more opportunities
to come off the edge, screaming off the edge.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Mario Rivera, right there, baby, The closer is He's going
to be the closer.
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So when Tom Brady retired, I don't think he knew
it going into the season. When you were retired, I
don't think you knew it necessarily going into the season.
Aaron Rodgers has already said this is it. This is
my last year. And I thought he played pretty well
last year. But it is interesting to think about that,
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Like it's one thing to go into a season and
then week thirteen you're like, man, I'm not recovering from
this high ankle's brain like, this is it. I'm slower,
I'm watching the film. Do you worry a little bit
that Aaron is already he made his mind up? This
is it? That you don't sit in the pocket. As
long you're not going to take that shot, You'll practice hard,
you'll be a good teammate. But it does you know
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you don't want to break stuff heading out the door
in twenty weeks. That's the only downside Aaron already making
his mind up. Because I do think it gives clarity
to the Steelers. They know, okay, we get one great
year with Aaron. But do you worry a little bit
that if you're talking about it, you're thinking about it,
it affects your play.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
For the majority, Yes, for Aaron.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
No, I mean, for all we know, he could have
went to the mountain side, did Diahuasca thing and had
a vision where he's going to have a full send
year where he's going to leave everything on the field,
and it wouldn't surprise you. Last year he played significantly
better than the year before off the Achilles with the Jets.
I think he's going into another this year with more weapons,
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a better offensive line, a little more continuity. And it's
essentially like having a coach on the field that's going
to get you in the right play every single time,
and when.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
You got guys that don't want to get hit like.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
When Brady was getting you know, the later parts of
his career. You know, they played so much football. I
remember there was a specific game in the AFC Championship
we couldn't block von Miller, so Tom got rid of
the ball before von Miller ever got to him, and
he slid the protection to him every single time, or
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he ran the ball away from him every single time,
and he wasn't gonna and these veteran quarterbacks, he got
maybe three or four opportunities, and he knew he was
going to get that. The veteran quarterback has the discipline
to sit there and potentially lose the game doing that
kind of stuff, nickling and dining you and making the
other team beat you. So like with Aaron, nothing surprises me.
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I think he's he's in his own little category. I've become,
you know, when guys get this sold, it's almost like
I become more of a fan of them now because
they're doing things that are you know, that are so hard.
And Aaron he still can throw it. So I'm excited
to watch him. Man, this is gonna be fun. And
I don't even necessarily think this is his last year.
(11:14):
For all we know he could probably come back and
play next year.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
That's the unpredictable, unpredictable thing about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Finally, I would start Mendos the Fernando Mendos a week
one for two reasons. He played a lot of college football.
He's a completely dedicated kid. They open with Miami, probably
the worst roster in the league. At home, it's a
winnable game. And I love the idea that Tyler Linderbaum,
a smart veteran center, going to call the protection he's
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gonna be you know, that's a great, great first thing
they did in Chicago. Ben Johnson went and got Drew
Dolman from Atlanta. I'm getting Caleb Williams, a respected, smart
veteran center, call the protections. Take it away from the kid.
I would start him early. Do you think, having been
in the locker room with a lot of guys, including yourself,
who walk into this league, do you think it's just
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too much to ask a kid for Nana Meadows kid
you're starting. It is a lot to ask, But I
think Linderbaum, it's the Dolphins. He played a lot of
college football. I'm not that worried about it. Would you be.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I wouldn't start him right away. And that's because you
have Kirk.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Cousins, a guy that's played in Clint Kubiak system, that
knows how to operate in that system. And there's so
much value to a young football player sitting there watching
a quarterback talk with an offensive coach in the meeting
on how to watch film, how he asks questions.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
There's so much value in that.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I mean, I specifically remember Jimmy g He comes in
when TV was, you know, on his vacation.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
That for the first floor and that post whatever.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Gate that we had, and he came in in it
and it ran smoothly because he got to sit and
watch Tom every day. How he talked to Josh McDaniels,
how Tom talked to you know, the receivers, How he
asked the question why did this look not work?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
There's so much value to that.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And it gets into one another thing with the expectation
of the first overall pick. You know, you throw them
out in the fire and you have a very capable
quarterback and Kirk Cousins behind you that's there, and then
maybe he gets his Welcome to the NFL moment.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Week one, Week two, there's gonna be one.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Of those moments you can't pull him and then bring
Kirk back in and may ruin the confidence.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
You don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I mean, we all see Fernando and how he handles
the media and the maturity is.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I mean, you want this guy to do well.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
We're all falling for this guy to do well. But
you know, I think with who they got over there,
you know TV, and if he's given any kind of influence,
we all heard how he likes quarterbacks to learn under someone,
let them go out and do their thing, let them
learn from someone, And I think that's how I would
I would go about it as well.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
By the way, I just saw this came over Mike Reese.
He said, aj Brown chose number one. He's gonna wear
number one instead of number eleven. He wanted to respect
Julian Edelman even though he had Edelman's blessing, and it
brings him back to his roots. Did you know he
was going to do that.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I didn't. I gave him the blessing. But that's pretty
daven cool. We've had a cool.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Relationship because you know, it's been pretty it's been pretty
publicized that he's a he was a Patriots fan growing up,
and he hit me up one day and I sent
him a jersey. He asked for a jersey, and he's
it was pretty cool. I mean, you got a superstar
football player in the league right now that you know
he's still a football fan, and you know, with that,
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with that attitude, it already shows you that he's buying
it into the system. He's buying into the Patriot Whay.
He's got brave all over there. He's excited. I mean seriously,
everyone's talking about, Oh, look at his off the field
antics with the other team of this, which was very
similar to how Stefan Diggs was. Diggs was when he
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came to the Patriots. He's got a motivation. He's got
an alpha coach that's gonna, you know, know how to
coach him. He's got Josh McDaniels. I'm so excited for this.
People are sleeping on Josh McDaniel's first year with like receivers,
Randy Moss had twenty three touchdowns, Brandon Marshall had like
one hundred and eighteen catches. First year receivers with Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Look out, yeah, you and I agree, I look out
for him. I think He's going to be one hundred
catch guy and a twelve touchdown guy. I really do.
I think he's going to be an unbelievable player.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
And his versatility. I mean, you can put him in
a whole lot of areas because the Patriots, you know,
they can get in that thirteen personnel and you're one
receiver out there's aj Brown. You can minit late the
coverage and you can put teams in certain coverages. And
he's a smart enough football player where we've seen him
play in the slot, you see him play at the X.
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Josh can have a great plan for him. It's gonna
be fun to watch and hopefully everyone can stay healthy.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
See you Jewels, good seeing as always, Buddy, Good.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
To see you guys.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You know, I think he's gonna be. They had some
video there of him at practice. He is just gonna
you know it. Also, it's funny because like Philadelphia is
a hard place to play, Like the sports talk radio
is loud, the fans are crazy. You got Dom the
security guard, you got Sirianni. Half the fans love him,
half don't. I mean, it's just it's Philadelphia is a
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loud city, New England. The Patriots for all their success
and I mean, Boston's a big media market, but they
kind of hide in the New England region, Like it's
just you know, the media is because they've been so successful,
it's pretty supportive. You've got a great coach who's proven. Yeah,
I mean for all of the success is it's kind
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of a business environment. The fans are they're not. I
mean again, they love their team, but I always think
Philadelphia is a whole different animal than like a New England,
even New York. New England's you know, ownership, front office, coach.
Now you got an adult playing quarterback. I think AJ
Brown I don't see any issues. I think it's often
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running week one. I think he's going to be a
Pro Bowl, first team All Pro, I really do. I
think he's going to be unbelievable in Chicago. It's the hurd.
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Speaker 1 (17:41):
AJ Brown to the Patriots, Jared Verse to the Browns.
Don't get lost in all that stuff. Jared Verse quietly
goes to Cleveland. I'm telling you, Cleveland has got so
many good young players. Twenty four years, twenty five years
old or younger. They're not paying him yet. Fannin's great, Judkins,
Mason Graham Concepcion at of Texas, A and M is
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going to be a Day one starter. I actually not
all bad teams are uninteresting. I don't think the Raiders
are gonna be great. Can't wait to watch them play
Shador Sanders in Cleveland. You can't convince me they're gonna
be bad if Monkin can get it together. Like they
got too many good young players. I'm not standing with
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the Seahawks where they're just a quarterback away. But they've
got they've got. I mean, the last two or three drafts,
they've landed a lot of really good players. J Mack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
No, no turn on the news. This is the headline news,
all right.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Interesting first story here, Seattle has re upped a edge
rusher by the name of Derreck Hall. Not exactly a
household name. He was not a starter for much of
last year. Rotational piece, only had two sacks in the
regular season, then at a monster Super Bowl, forced to
fumble two sacks. He got a three your forty two
million dollar extension. Part of my part of my reasoning
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here is they lost three starters on defense, and I
don't think you want to just start hemorrhaging guys. You
know what happens once you make a Super Bowl run,
people come pick off guys on your roster.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
So Hole was the second round pick out of Auburn.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Yeah, good player, but three years forty two Mills seems steep.
But Colin, when your quarterback is on the cheap, you
can do stuff like this.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, And I think I mean they they this is
they lost some really good defensive players. I think offensively
they are in a really really good spot. I think
that running back they got at the end of Round
one from Notre Dame is I think he's going to
end up being sharp and they are gonna end up
being really good players. So I think Seattle's gonna be
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a really good football team. I kind of trust what
they do. They've you know, you can go back to
the the Matt Hasselback Super Bowl against the Steelers with
Homegren They've mostly been a well run franchise. So I mean,
the schedule is you know what it is for a
Super Bowl champ the Rams A couple times in the
vision you have to.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Late late in the season.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Interestingly, hey, real quick.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
So, Uh, you know, Seattle's got one of the guys
JSI who you can line up anywhere anywhere, especially in
the slot. Well, you know what the Rams did. They
went out and got Trent McDuffie, who was an elite
slot cornerback and he could also play on the outside.
I wonder do you do you think the Rams specifically
saw Seattle as a problem, said we're gonna go get
our JSN stopper in McDuffie and then versus good for
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getting pressure, but we need a closer like Miles Garrett.
So they basically just upgraded to go after Seattle. You know,
Darnold could win with his legs a lot scrambling. You're
not running away from Miles Garrett. Sorry, I mean this
is the record setting sack Superstar Defensive Player of the
Year two of the last season.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Sattle's got left tackle Charles Cross. Uh, they got their
tackle situation in good space. It's fine. I mean, I
think you know, Miles Garrett's really good and you've got
to reckon with it. You know, Niners are pretty well
protected with Trent Williams for at least one more year.
They have to make sure they got somebody ready because
Trent may not play seventeen games. But yeah, I mean
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I think when you get these transformational players, it does change.
Like I wouldn't be surprised. No, this move is made
after the draft and after free agency, so you do
get into a situation where will it make Seattle make
a move at the trade deadline? Would San Francisco say, Okay,
Seattle is upgraded. We got to make a move. I mean, listen,
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San Francisco went and got Mike Evans, so that's an
upgrade for them. Yeah, I mean that divisions.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Just remember at the deadline last year, Seattle got Rashid
Shahib and he paid immediate dividends.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
It was a huge git for them.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
All Right, let's go to the Indianapolis Colts. Colin, I'm
floored by this. Okay, Daniel Jones is cleared for seven
on seven work. I mean, he tore his achilles in December.
I know, so we're only now six months in and
he's already on the field.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
He actually looks decent there. I'm just shocked by this.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Well young athletes, heal fast, has.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
A rich injury history. He's not that young. He's no
spring chicken.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
Okay, this is the guy.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Who's had a lot of injury for him to be
back in six months, Colin, how many?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
How good are the Colts? So obviously he's going to
start week one. Oh how good that? You know that division?
We used to roll our eyes. The Texans have the
best defense in the league period period. Now the Rams
may challenge that this year, but the Texans defense is unbelievable.
The Jags offense is really good. They did but Liam
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Cohen is really good. I mean Baker Mayfield had a
drop off like when he lost you know, like Liam Cohen.
We said this last year when Daniel Jones was healthy,
they went into Los Angeles and out played the Rams.
If not for Mitchell doing that, you know, like he
got rid of the ball before the end zone, they
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were going to beat the Rams.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
But look at the schedule, Colin, Okay, are you putting
I thought he would definitely miss the first month? Maybe more?
Are you putting Daniel Jones off Achilles against the Ravens,
Chiefs and Texans right.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Out of the gate.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
So I'm this is selfishly. The Jets have the Colts
first round pick, So in my perfect world, the Colts
win like five games by the way.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
Their win total is not.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Too many good players, way too many good I lost Pittman.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
Alex Pierce is going to become freaking Randy Moss.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
They they've got enough weapons. I don't worry about their way.
I think Colt's got too many good players.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
But we need we need the Colt to struggle.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
That Washington game is in London, one of your favorite
cities in the world. So all right, let's move to
the final story. I want to leave some room for
this colin because we haven't talked about her lately, and
that's Caitlin Clark. So something went down over the weekend.
Here she is getting yelled at by her coach, and
Caitlyn Clark at this point has had enough and she
fires back and is talking there to talk about defense,
and the coach has enough and she says, Caitlyn, you're
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out of the game, and she replaces her, and Caitlyn's
still popping off here.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
She's ticked off.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Now, Colin, this did go viral ten million views or
whatever all the lip readers went.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
I didn't want to overreact.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
I thought, actually, this was AI the first time I
saw it. So then yesterday Caitlin Clark was asked by
the media about it. Here she is talking about the
heated sideline exchange two.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
People that really want to win. And you know, I
think a lot of those things happen all the time,
and I know there's a camera on man, that's.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
How it's going to be.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
But there's a lot of people out there in the
media or on TV that they think they know a
lot of things, and they're just blatantly wrong about a
lot of things.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
And I ride for Steph.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
I ride for these girls. Steph has my back more
than anybody.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah. I tend to defend athletes, Okay, when they get
into shouting matches Peyton Manning and Jeff Saturday are Rady
and Josh McDaniels in the heat of a battle. I
think it's unfair for me as a media person to
swoop in in my chair wearing a dress shirt and
go that seems outrageous to me. It is the heat
(24:55):
of a battle. Coaches bark, players bark. This is sports.
It's you know, this is not hr you know at
a company, two employees yelling at each other. This is
a game. It's heated. She's she's banging on Clark because
she didn't play enough defense, Clark gets tired of it.
I mean, to me, this is sports. I one of
(25:17):
the things that I think we make a mistake. And
I'm I'm probably done this before. Sports isn't your job. Well,
in my job, it's not. If you yelled at a
coworker like that, I'd be up in HR in five
minutes getting in trouble. This is sports. Yelling happens, Emotions flow.
(25:37):
I I mean, I I remember years ago going to
a Miami Heat game when Lebron was down there, and
and and I were down in Miami for the weekend,
and I mean, Lebron is in that Huttley's barking at
Mario Chalmers and you know they weren't playing well, and
and uh and and Spolstra and Lebron it looked like
(25:57):
they it's you know, it's a little uncomfortable. And I'm like,
that's the NBA. I mean, listen, Dan Hurley's banging on players,
Tom is Ohays banging on players. I've always defended coaches.
Now there are some coaches I think you're a little
over the edge. But I mean Nick Saban's beloved by
his players. How many times did he throw a headsack?
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He is barking at Guy's constantly.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I think it's for us.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
So this is where so I've been trying to wedge
Clark in the show for a minute now. I keep
getting Jason and nobody cares about this is Caitlin Clark
was a fun story two years ago.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
But here's where it's interesting coming. So last year she
was hurt, Okay, didn't play a lot. Beaver had a
nice playoff run without her. This is year three and
I pose the question to a producer here.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
I'm a Caitlin Clark fan. When the schedule comes out,
we look at the schedule. When does she come to
LA Let's try to get tickets. But I'm going to
ask you, and this is not attacking Caitlin Clark. Has
she improved in year three in the WNBA because a
lot of the metrics say defensively, she's getting abused.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
They are attacking her relentlessly.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
The same way when Steph Curry became a thing, defenses said, well,
we're just gonna put him in action all game and
attack him. He can't defend anybody, and they're doing that
to Clark this year. Her offensive numbers, eh, And I
just wonder she was the jam in the league as
a rookie and now here we are two years later,
and it's like, have we seen improvement? I'm just going
to ask it that way.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
So what's she averaging a game?
Speaker 6 (27:23):
I don't have her numbers exactly right in front of me,
but they're not amazing. But the thing is she's not
dominating the way she did that first year.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
She hit the league like a comment, she was pulling
up for three.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
They weren't ready.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Then no, look passes everything. There's now two years, a
year and a half of data because she was hurt
won her and I don't want to say they've figured
her out, Colin, but they clearly have. There's more defenses
in place to slow her down, and they're attacking her
more so she's working harder defenses.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So she's averaging twenty points as four rebounds, still the
best long range shooter in the league.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
These are good numbers, But like Wemby in your three
is made a quantum lead.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Well, remember she's so she's she's averaging, she's playing fewer
minutes and scoring more points per minute, so she's she's
coming off the injury. The other thing is male NBA
male basketball stars are different. They can they can go
over you, they can jump over you, they can go vertical.
(28:24):
The women's game is not as vertical. So the truth
is when you throw the the w NBA has always
been an incredibly physical lead. Yeah, okay, the NBA used
to be, but they got rid of the forearm in
the back, the hand check, and the NBA players are
now so quick it's impossible to stay in front of
anybody the quickness, and they also if you do, they
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jump over you. The women's game is closer to the floor.
It's highly physical, so throwing bodies at people can probably
be more effective. I will I will note though, when
I look at her numbers now, she's averaging a career
high in points while playing her fewest minutes, so her
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efficiency is excellent. It can't. You have to contextualize it.
But I do think the men's and women's games are different.
Is that, and women's basketball has always been incredibly chippy
and physical. It's it's sometimes to the level it's inappropriate.
(29:26):
I mean, players in the WNBA regularly complain the officiating
is horrible because they let everything go.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
I mean, I'm just saying, like this is year three,
the numbers are up with Tad. We're expecting Caitlin Clark
to be an all time great player. I haven't seen
that leave. I mean Angel Reese, by the way, who she.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Came in with. They figured her out, make her foot
the ball in the ground.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
She can't dribble.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
She's already on her second team, the Angel reach. Things
kind of over Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
I think she's still got room to grow as a player.
I just haven't seen it yet this year. So I
do think.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You know, World Cup's coming out in Indiana doing.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Huh's a team right now that was not expected with
Clark returning off a good playoff run.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
With that, if you're a twenty and eight player and
you're not playing, you're playing fewer minutes. That's pretty impressive
to me.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
That's what's coming off an injury. I'll say that.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
So don't come after me. Caitlin Clark fans. I know
they go crazy online.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
No I don't. I don't watch enough WNBA be an expert,
but I watch it if I flip it around and
it's on. Yeah, and when I've seen her play, she's
the same great shooter. Yeah, I mean, I don't think
she's the best player in the game. I think she's
arguably the most interesting. Yes, but but the kid Wilson,
Isaah Wilson for Las Vegas, the best player in the league. Yeah,
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that's a different ballgame. J Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, it's interesting. If you didn't watch the w NBA
for years and you just think, you know, it's women's basketball,
it's a little more finesse. The opposite is true. The
WNBA is completely chippy. It's an incredibly physical league, to
the point in the regular season where players star players complain,
(31:11):
not like subs. Stars are like, could somebody blow a
whistle here? All right, good day, it's the hurt
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Randy Moss and Edelman did overlap. Randy was there first,
I said Edelman was. Randy was there first, and then
for a year and a half, Edelman joined the Randy
Moss Patriots. And let's bring Julian on because I'm not
saying AJ Brown is Randy Moss, but I will say
this that AJ Brown with the run centric Titans and
(00:47):
the run centric Eagles has been crazy. Top four productives,
So I think he's gonna pop in New England. But
let me ask you about that, because you were there
with Randy Moss. When you have a star number one
receiver in the receiver room during practice, during media scrums, like,
how does it change the temperature of the room? You
were you were young, you weren't established yet, but you
(01:11):
were watching. You're an observer, you're self aware. How did
it change the temperature.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You know, when I was a young football player, you
and you step in a receiver room with Randy Moss
generational receiver. You also have Wes Welker, who was an
elite player at that time, but with Randy specifically, everyone
just straightens up. Like when you're a young football player,
you sit in that meeting. Randy didn't have to say anything,
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but you almost didn't want to let him down because
you saw how his practice was. You saw the examples
that he was given. And anytime that you had an
example as a young football player, if the coaches put
you on coaching tape, you'd like look over at Randy
because you wanted his approval because he's that big.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Of an aura in the in that room.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
So AJ, I think this is going to be an
awesome addition for them. By no means am I calling
him Randy. I think they're different types of players, but
when you get a guy like AJ Brown, instantly everyone's
job becomes easier in that room.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, and you you know Tom Brady's a friend of yours.
Do you feel sometimes if you're a receiver when you
have a star player obviously the quarterback, I mean, Tom
loved throwing to Randy is. Can you feel sometimes do
other players, tight ends, receivers get lost when you have
a superstar receiver in the room.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I think I was always on teams that were mentally
tough enough to do what was best for the team
as long as we were winning and we had an
opportunity to win, and the guy you're bringing in the
room gives you an opportunity to win every single week.
Guys fwallow their pride at least where I was, you know,
that was that was a testament to all you know,
(02:57):
the upper division bringing in guys that wanted to win.
So I think you can't get lost in the sauce.
But if you're getting lost in the sauce and you're
playing in a second Super Bowl in three years or
two years, I think he'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
So I saw the Miles Garrett move yesterday, and I
always felt in New England they didn't do this, and
I wish they would have. Maybe they did, but they
never I never felt like they said, Okay, Tom's getting older,
let's stack the roster for Tom. Kind of Bill did
what Bill did, and it was always team first. The
Rams are like listen, Matt's older. We're getting McDuffie, we're
(03:36):
getting Garrett, We're getting Devonte Adams last year. We're building everything.
It's almost like the Warriors with Curry. We're building everything
around Matt's timeline where they love Verse. We're gonna let
him go three draft picks. I like, when you get
an older quarterback going for it, it can backfire, But
(03:56):
I don't feel like that was ever the New England way.
Were you okay with giving up three picks and a
great young player in Jared Verse for an older player
in Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, I think this is pretty standard protocol for less
sneed and what he does, and it only works for
one specific reason. When you go out and get the
big free agents like they did six seven years ago
with Matthew Stafford after going to a Super Bowl. It
only works if you draft guys and they work out
on your team. The Kyron Williams in the fifth round,
(04:28):
the Puka Naku in the fourth round, the hitting on
your Jared Verse in the first round, who builds capital,
builds value enough for you to go out and get
a guy like Miles Garrett. You have to hit in
the draft for this whole thing to work. I mean,
we can look at other teams and say, well, they
bring in guys and it doesn't really work out.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
It's because they're not building through the draft as well.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
So seeing less sneaed go out and buy these guys
at the right positions that they feel that they need
to go out and win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
It's almost like deja vu to me.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You know, you look at the high end players on
the Rams. Stafford's gonna be a Hall of Famer, Miles
gonna be a Hall of Famer, PoCA Davonte Adams. You
just start looking. McDuffie has a chance to be a
Hall of Fame player. What is practice like? Go to
the most talented Patriots team you were ever on when
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you've got guys a half a dozen guys that are
Hall of Famers? Is practice more fun? Is it more competitive?
Is it more intense? Because they brought into a great team.
They brought in two defensive players who may be in Canton.
What does it make practice like?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You know, if I was on the offense to La Rams,
I assure you they're all on their text groups right
now saying we're gonna win the Super Bowl. It brings
a confidence in the building when you bring in guys
like that. For us, it was drel Reebs in fourteen.
You know, we go to the AFC Championship in thirteen,
keep gets hurt, We lose, We were kind of banged up.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
And then we bring in Revis the very next year.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
He not only brought a confidence to us because of
the player he's shown that he was in the league,
but every day in practice I got to go against him.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It made me a better player.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Every day in practice, that left tackle, that right tackle
for the Rams is going to have to go against
Miles Garrett. That secondary's gonna or that the receivers are
going to have to go against that secondary. With mcduffy,
it's going to sharpen this iron on iron type mentality.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Which we always used to say. The practices were always.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
So good because we practiced so hard. When you have
great players on both sides of the ball, it just
creates a confidence. It makes work so fun. I mean,
I remember when we brought in Antonio Brown. For those
three weeks or two weeks, I don't think a ball
hit the ground literally in practice for four or five days.
(06:50):
We had elite practices. Philip Dorsett had to raise his
game because Antonio came in and put a fire up
when everyone's bum you know, flashboardon was making place. Everyone
was playing to a whole other level because Antonio came
in and there's only so many balls, and you know
he's going to get his so everyone's got to bring
(07:11):
their egg in to try to get the ball in practice.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
So I think when you get.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
These type of superstar players, it ignites teams because it's
just like you look at the team, you look at
each other, and you're like, there's no excuse. We have
an opportunity to literally go out and win every single game.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
We strap them up this year.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So yeah, and the other thing is Miles Garrett and
Cleveland the Browns trailed in the fourth quarter whereas the
Rams every week. Yeah, with the Rams lead in the
fourth quarter, So he's going to have far more opportunities
to come off the edge, screaming off the edge.
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to be the closer.
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So when Tom Brady retired, I don't think he knew
it going into the season. When you were retired, I
don't think you knew it necessarily going into the season.
Aaron Rodgers has already said this is it. This is
my last year. And I thought he played pretty well
last year. But it is interesting to think about that,
(08:48):
Like it's one thing to go into a season and
then week thirteen you're like, man, I'm not recovering from
this high ankle's brain like, this is it. I'm slower,
I'm watching the film. Do you worry a little bit
that Aaron is already he made his mind up? This
is it? That you don't sit in the pocket. As
long you're not going to take that shot, You'll practice hard,
you'll be a good teammate. But it does you know
(09:10):
you don't want to break stuff heading out the door
in twenty weeks. That's the only downside Aaron already making
his mind up. Because I do think it gives clarity
to the Steelers. They know, okay, we get one great
year with Aaron. But do you worry a little bit
that if you're talking about it, you're thinking about it,
it affects your play.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
For the majority, Yes, for Aaron.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
No, I mean, for all we know, he could have
went to the mountain side, did Diahuasca thing and had
a vision where he's going to have a full send
year where he's going to leave everything on the field,
and it wouldn't surprise you. Last year he played significantly
better than the year before off the Achilles with the Jets.
I think he's going into another this year with more weapons,
(09:57):
a better offensive line, a little more continuity. And it's
essentially like having a coach on the field that's going
to get you in the right play every single time,
and when.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
You got guys that don't want to get hit like.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
When Brady was getting you know, the later parts of
his career. You know, they played so much football. I
remember there was a specific game in the AFC Championship
we couldn't block von Miller, so Tom got rid of
the ball before von Miller ever got to him, and
he slid the protection to him every single time, or
(10:28):
he ran the ball away from him every single time,
and he wasn't gonna and these veteran quarterbacks, he got
maybe three or four opportunities, and he knew he was
going to get that. The veteran quarterback has the discipline
to sit there and potentially lose the game doing that
kind of stuff, nickling and dining you and making the
other team beat you. So like with Aaron, nothing surprises me.
(10:53):
I think he's he's in his own little category. I've become,
you know, when guys get this sold, it's almost like
I become more of a fan of them now because
they're doing things that are you know, that are so hard.
And Aaron he still can throw it. So I'm excited
to watch him. Man, this is gonna be fun. And
I don't even necessarily think this is his last year.
(11:14):
For all we know he could probably come back and
play next year.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
That's the unpredictable, unpredictable thing about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Finally, I would start Mendos the Fernando Mendos a week
one for two reasons. He played a lot of college football.
He's a completely dedicated kid. They open with Miami, probably
the worst roster in the league. At home, it's a
winnable game. And I love the idea that Tyler Linderbaum,
a smart veteran center, going to call the protection he's
(11:44):
gonna be you know, that's a great, great first thing
they did in Chicago. Ben Johnson went and got Drew
Dolman from Atlanta. I'm getting Caleb Williams, a respected, smart
veteran center, call the protections. Take it away from the kid.
I would start him early. Do you think, having been
in the locker room with a lot of guys, including yourself,
who walk into this league, do you think it's just
(12:05):
too much to ask a kid for Nana Meadows kid
you're starting. It is a lot to ask, But I
think Linderbaum, it's the Dolphins. He played a lot of
college football. I'm not that worried about it. Would you be.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I wouldn't start him right away. And that's because you
have Kirk.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Cousins, a guy that's played in Clint Kubiak system, that
knows how to operate in that system. And there's so
much value to a young football player sitting there watching
a quarterback talk with an offensive coach in the meeting
on how to watch film, how he asks questions.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
There's so much value in that.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I mean, I specifically remember Jimmy g He comes in
when TV was, you know, on his vacation.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
That for the first floor and that post whatever.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Gate that we had, and he came in in it
and it ran smoothly because he got to sit and
watch Tom every day. How he talked to Josh McDaniels,
how Tom talked to you know, the receivers, How he
asked the question why did this look not work?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
There's so much value to that.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And it gets into one another thing with the expectation
of the first overall pick. You know, you throw them
out in the fire and you have a very capable
quarterback and Kirk Cousins behind you that's there, and then
maybe he gets his Welcome to the NFL moment.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Week one, Week two, there's gonna be one.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Of those moments you can't pull him and then bring
Kirk back in and may ruin the confidence.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
You don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I mean, we all see Fernando and how he handles
the media and the maturity is.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I mean, you want this guy to do well.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
We're all falling for this guy to do well. But
you know, I think with who they got over there,
you know TV, and if he's given any kind of influence,
we all heard how he likes quarterbacks to learn under someone,
let them go out and do their thing, let them
learn from someone, And I think that's how I would
I would go about it as well.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
By the way, I just saw this came over Mike Reese.
He said, aj Brown chose number one. He's gonna wear
number one instead of number eleven. He wanted to respect
Julian Edelman even though he had Edelman's blessing, and it
brings him back to his roots. Did you know he
was going to do that.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I didn't. I gave him the blessing. But that's pretty
daven cool. We've had a cool.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Relationship because you know, it's been pretty it's been pretty
publicized that he's a he was a Patriots fan growing up,
and he hit me up one day and I sent
him a jersey. He asked for a jersey, and he's
it was pretty cool. I mean, you got a superstar
football player in the league right now that you know
he's still a football fan, and you know, with that,
(14:56):
with that attitude, it already shows you that he's buying
it into the system. He's buying into the Patriot Whay.
He's got brave all over there. He's excited. I mean seriously,
everyone's talking about, Oh, look at his off the field
antics with the other team of this, which was very
similar to how Stefan Diggs was. Diggs was when he
(15:16):
came to the Patriots. He's got a motivation. He's got
an alpha coach that's gonna, you know, know how to
coach him. He's got Josh McDaniels. I'm so excited for this.
People are sleeping on Josh McDaniel's first year with like receivers,
Randy Moss had twenty three touchdowns, Brandon Marshall had like
one hundred and eighteen catches. First year receivers with Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Look out, yeah, you and I agree, I look out
for him. I think He's going to be one hundred
catch guy and a twelve touchdown guy. I really do.
I think he's going to be an unbelievable player.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
And his versatility. I mean, you can put him in
a whole lot of areas because the Patriots, you know,
they can get in that thirteen personnel and you're one
receiver out there's aj Brown. You can minit late the
coverage and you can put teams in certain coverages. And
he's a smart enough football player where we've seen him
play in the slot, you see him play at the X.
(16:10):
Josh can have a great plan for him. It's gonna
be fun to watch and hopefully everyone can stay healthy.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
See you Jewels, good seeing as always, Buddy, Good.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
To see you guys.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You know, I think he's gonna be. They had some
video there of him at practice. He is just gonna
you know it. Also, it's funny because like Philadelphia is
a hard place to play, Like the sports talk radio
is loud, the fans are crazy. You got Dom the
security guard, you got Sirianni. Half the fans love him,
half don't. I mean, it's just it's Philadelphia is a
(16:43):
loud city, New England. The Patriots for all their success
and I mean, Boston's a big media market, but they
kind of hide in the New England region, Like it's
just you know, the media is because they've been so successful,
it's pretty supportive. You've got a great coach who's proven. Yeah,
I mean for all of the success is it's kind
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of a business environment. The fans are they're not. I
mean again, they love their team, but I always think
Philadelphia is a whole different animal than like a New England,
even New York. New England's you know, ownership, front office, coach.
Now you got an adult playing quarterback. I think AJ
Brown I don't see any issues. I think it's often
(17:27):
running week one. I think he's going to be a
Pro Bowl, first team All Pro, I really do. I
think he's going to be unbelievable in Chicago. It's the hurd.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
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Speaker 1 (17:41):
AJ Brown to the Patriots, Jared Verse to the Browns.
Don't get lost in all that stuff. Jared Verse quietly
goes to Cleveland. I'm telling you, Cleveland has got so
many good young players. Twenty four years, twenty five years
old or younger. They're not paying him yet. Fannin's great, Judkins,
Mason Graham Concepcion at of Texas, A and M is
(18:02):
going to be a Day one starter. I actually not
all bad teams are uninteresting. I don't think the Raiders
are gonna be great. Can't wait to watch them play
Shador Sanders in Cleveland. You can't convince me they're gonna
be bad if Monkin can get it together. Like they
got too many good young players. I'm not standing with
(18:23):
the Seahawks where they're just a quarterback away. But they've
got they've got. I mean, the last two or three drafts,
they've landed a lot of really good players. J Mack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
No, no turn on the news. This is the headline news,
all right.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Interesting first story here, Seattle has re upped a edge
rusher by the name of Derreck Hall. Not exactly a
household name. He was not a starter for much of
last year. Rotational piece, only had two sacks in the
regular season, then at a monster Super Bowl, forced to
fumble two sacks. He got a three your forty two
million dollar extension. Part of my part of my reasoning
(19:04):
here is they lost three starters on defense, and I
don't think you want to just start hemorrhaging guys. You
know what happens once you make a Super Bowl run,
people come pick off guys on your roster.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
So Hole was the second round pick out of Auburn.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Yeah, good player, but three years forty two Mills seems steep.
But Colin, when your quarterback is on the cheap, you
can do stuff like this.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, And I think I mean they they this is
they lost some really good defensive players. I think offensively
they are in a really really good spot. I think
that running back they got at the end of Round
one from Notre Dame is I think he's going to
end up being sharp and they are gonna end up
being really good players. So I think Seattle's gonna be
(19:44):
a really good football team. I kind of trust what
they do. They've you know, you can go back to
the the Matt Hasselback Super Bowl against the Steelers with
Homegren They've mostly been a well run franchise. So I mean,
the schedule is you know what it is for a
Super Bowl champ the Rams A couple times in the
vision you have to.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Late late in the season.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Interestingly, hey, real quick.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
So, Uh, you know, Seattle's got one of the guys
JSI who you can line up anywhere anywhere, especially in
the slot. Well, you know what the Rams did. They
went out and got Trent McDuffie, who was an elite
slot cornerback and he could also play on the outside.
I wonder do you do you think the Rams specifically
saw Seattle as a problem, said we're gonna go get
our JSN stopper in McDuffie and then versus good for
(20:28):
getting pressure, but we need a closer like Miles Garrett.
So they basically just upgraded to go after Seattle. You know,
Darnold could win with his legs a lot scrambling. You're
not running away from Miles Garrett. Sorry, I mean this
is the record setting sack Superstar Defensive Player of the
Year two of the last season.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Sattle's got left tackle Charles Cross. Uh, they got their
tackle situation in good space. It's fine. I mean, I
think you know, Miles Garrett's really good and you've got
to reckon with it. You know, Niners are pretty well
protected with Trent Williams for at least one more year.
They have to make sure they got somebody ready because
Trent may not play seventeen games. But yeah, I mean
(21:05):
I think when you get these transformational players, it does change.
Like I wouldn't be surprised. No, this move is made
after the draft and after free agency, so you do
get into a situation where will it make Seattle make
a move at the trade deadline? Would San Francisco say, Okay,
Seattle is upgraded. We got to make a move. I mean, listen,
(21:26):
San Francisco went and got Mike Evans, so that's an
upgrade for them. Yeah, I mean that divisions.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Just remember at the deadline last year, Seattle got Rashid
Shahib and he paid immediate dividends.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
It was a huge git for them.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
All Right, let's go to the Indianapolis Colts. Colin, I'm
floored by this. Okay, Daniel Jones is cleared for seven
on seven work. I mean, he tore his achilles in December.
I know, so we're only now six months in and
he's already on the field.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
He actually looks decent there. I'm just shocked by this.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Well young athletes, heal fast, has.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
A rich injury history. He's not that young. He's no
spring chicken.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
Okay, this is the guy.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Who's had a lot of injury for him to be
back in six months, Colin, how many?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
How good are the Colts? So obviously he's going to
start week one. Oh how good that? You know that division?
We used to roll our eyes. The Texans have the
best defense in the league period period. Now the Rams
may challenge that this year, but the Texans defense is unbelievable.
The Jags offense is really good. They did but Liam
(22:30):
Cohen is really good. I mean Baker Mayfield had a
drop off like when he lost you know, like Liam Cohen.
We said this last year when Daniel Jones was healthy,
they went into Los Angeles and out played the Rams.
If not for Mitchell doing that, you know, like he
got rid of the ball before the end zone, they
(22:51):
were going to beat the Rams.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
But look at the schedule, Colin, Okay, are you putting
I thought he would definitely miss the first month? Maybe more?
Are you putting Daniel Jones off Achilles against the Ravens,
Chiefs and Texans right.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Out of the gate.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
So I'm this is selfishly. The Jets have the Colts
first round pick, So in my perfect world, the Colts
win like five games by the way.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
Their win total is not.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Too many good players, way too many good I lost Pittman.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
Alex Pierce is going to become freaking Randy Moss.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
They they've got enough weapons. I don't worry about their way.
I think Colt's got too many good players.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
But we need we need the Colt to struggle.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
That Washington game is in London, one of your favorite
cities in the world. So all right, let's move to
the final story. I want to leave some room for
this colin because we haven't talked about her lately, and
that's Caitlin Clark. So something went down over the weekend.
Here she is getting yelled at by her coach, and
Caitlyn Clark at this point has had enough and she
fires back and is talking there to talk about defense,
and the coach has enough and she says, Caitlyn, you're
(23:50):
out of the game, and she replaces her, and Caitlyn's
still popping off here.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
She's ticked off.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Now, Colin, this did go viral ten million views or
whatever all the lip readers went.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
I didn't want to overreact.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
I thought, actually, this was AI the first time I
saw it. So then yesterday Caitlin Clark was asked by
the media about it. Here she is talking about the
heated sideline exchange two.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
People that really want to win. And you know, I
think a lot of those things happen all the time,
and I know there's a camera on man, that's.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
How it's going to be.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
But there's a lot of people out there in the
media or on TV that they think they know a
lot of things, and they're just blatantly wrong about a
lot of things.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
And I ride for Steph.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
I ride for these girls. Steph has my back more
than anybody.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah. I tend to defend athletes, Okay, when they get
into shouting matches Peyton Manning and Jeff Saturday are Rady
and Josh McDaniels in the heat of a battle. I
think it's unfair for me as a media person to
swoop in in my chair wearing a dress shirt and
go that seems outrageous to me. It is the heat
(24:55):
of a battle. Coaches bark, players bark. This is sports.
It's you know, this is not hr you know at
a company, two employees yelling at each other. This is
a game. It's heated. She's she's banging on Clark because
she didn't play enough defense, Clark gets tired of it.
I mean, to me, this is sports. I one of
(25:17):
the things that I think we make a mistake. And
I'm I'm probably done this before. Sports isn't your job. Well,
in my job, it's not. If you yelled at a
coworker like that, I'd be up in HR in five
minutes getting in trouble. This is sports. Yelling happens, Emotions flow.
(25:37):
I I mean, I I remember years ago going to
a Miami Heat game when Lebron was down there, and
and and I were down in Miami for the weekend,
and I mean, Lebron is in that Huttley's barking at
Mario Chalmers and you know they weren't playing well, and
and uh and and Spolstra and Lebron it looked like
(25:57):
they it's you know, it's a little uncomfortable. And I'm like,
that's the NBA. I mean, listen, Dan Hurley's banging on players,
Tom is Ohays banging on players. I've always defended coaches.
Now there are some coaches I think you're a little
over the edge. But I mean Nick Saban's beloved by
his players. How many times did he throw a headsack?
(26:19):
He is barking at Guy's constantly.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I think it's for us.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
So this is where so I've been trying to wedge
Clark in the show for a minute now. I keep
getting Jason and nobody cares about this is Caitlin Clark
was a fun story two years ago.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
But here's where it's interesting coming. So last year she
was hurt, Okay, didn't play a lot. Beaver had a
nice playoff run without her. This is year three and
I pose the question to a producer here.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
I'm a Caitlin Clark fan. When the schedule comes out,
we look at the schedule. When does she come to
LA Let's try to get tickets. But I'm going to
ask you, and this is not attacking Caitlin Clark. Has
she improved in year three in the WNBA because a
lot of the metrics say defensively, she's getting abused.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
They are attacking her relentlessly.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
The same way when Steph Curry became a thing, defenses said, well,
we're just gonna put him in action all game and
attack him. He can't defend anybody, and they're doing that
to Clark this year. Her offensive numbers, eh, And I
just wonder she was the jam in the league as
a rookie and now here we are two years later,
and it's like, have we seen improvement? I'm just going
to ask it that way.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
So what's she averaging a game?
Speaker 6 (27:23):
I don't have her numbers exactly right in front of me,
but they're not amazing. But the thing is she's not
dominating the way she did that first year.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
She hit the league like a comment, she was pulling
up for three.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
They weren't ready.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Then no, look passes everything. There's now two years, a
year and a half of data because she was hurt
won her and I don't want to say they've figured
her out, Colin, but they clearly have. There's more defenses
in place to slow her down, and they're attacking her
more so she's working harder defenses.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So she's averaging twenty points as four rebounds, still the
best long range shooter in the league.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
These are good numbers, But like Wemby in your three
is made a quantum lead.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Well, remember she's so she's she's averaging, she's playing fewer
minutes and scoring more points per minute, so she's she's
coming off the injury. The other thing is male NBA
male basketball stars are different. They can they can go
over you, they can jump over you, they can go vertical.
(28:24):
The women's game is not as vertical. So the truth
is when you throw the the w NBA has always
been an incredibly physical lead. Yeah, okay, the NBA used
to be, but they got rid of the forearm in
the back, the hand check, and the NBA players are
now so quick it's impossible to stay in front of
anybody the quickness, and they also if you do, they
(28:45):
jump over you. The women's game is closer to the floor.
It's highly physical, so throwing bodies at people can probably
be more effective. I will I will note though, when
I look at her numbers now, she's averaging a career
high in points while playing her fewest minutes, so her
(29:06):
efficiency is excellent. It can't. You have to contextualize it.
But I do think the men's and women's games are different.
Is that, and women's basketball has always been incredibly chippy
and physical. It's it's sometimes to the level it's inappropriate.
(29:26):
I mean, players in the WNBA regularly complain the officiating
is horrible because they let everything go.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
I mean, I'm just saying, like this is year three,
the numbers are up with Tad. We're expecting Caitlin Clark
to be an all time great player. I haven't seen
that leave. I mean Angel Reese, by the way, who she.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Came in with. They figured her out, make her foot
the ball in the ground.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
She can't dribble.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
She's already on her second team, the Angel reach. Things
kind of over Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
I think she's still got room to grow as a player.
I just haven't seen it yet this year. So I
do think.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You know, World Cup's coming out in Indiana doing.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Huh's a team right now that was not expected with
Clark returning off a good playoff run.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
With that, if you're a twenty and eight player and
you're not playing, you're playing fewer minutes. That's pretty impressive
to me.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
That's what's coming off an injury. I'll say that.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
So don't come after me. Caitlin Clark fans. I know
they go crazy online.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
No I don't. I don't watch enough WNBA be an expert,
but I watch it if I flip it around and
it's on. Yeah, and when I've seen her play, she's
the same great shooter. Yeah, I mean, I don't think
she's the best player in the game. I think she's
arguably the most interesting. Yes, but but the kid Wilson,
Isaah Wilson for Las Vegas, the best player in the league. Yeah,
(30:42):
that's a different ballgame. J Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, it's interesting. If you didn't watch the w NBA
for years and you just think, you know, it's women's basketball,
it's a little more finesse. The opposite is true. The
WNBA is completely chippy. It's an incredibly physical league, to
the point in the regular season where players star players complain,
(31:11):
not like subs. Stars are like, could somebody blow a
whistle here? All right, good day, it's the hurt
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