June 5, 2026 • 32 mins
Colin talks to college football analyst Josh Pate about Nick Saban's comments and the state of college football
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
So I said this, I like Nick Saban, but when
I see him talking to Congress.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
My take is.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
When we had an explosion of facilities. Twenty years ago,
Oregon was going big Texas and college football revenue and
college athletic revenue wasn't close to as big as it
is now. The Big Ten six weeks ago handed out
checks to universities member universities. They exceeded expectations by twenty
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to twenty five percent. Revenue has exploded and it's only
getting bigger. But I didn't see all these football coaches
talking to Congress when facilities were exploding and coaching salaries
were exploding. Now, because a receiver makes one point four million,
we're freaking out. The ratings are up, the attendance is up,
the revenue is up. Listen to the SEC and the
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Big Ten. You know, you've got your Miami's and you
know Texas Tech and Notre Dames. But we got a
couple of super conferences.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Josh Pate had Josh Payt College Football Show on YouTube
covering the sport for fifteen years. Haven't at the volume.
Just terrific job. Check his stuff out. So my take is, Listen,
I was covering Oregon when they started spending money on
facilities and college football was it was thirty percent revenue
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as it is now. There are a lot of people eating.
It's just players are So is it fair to me
to say, hey, Nick? If Alabama would have come to
Nick Saban in his run ten years ago and Jimmy
Sexton and said, hey, the salaries are getting they're getting crazy,
Nick would have looked at Jimmy Sexton and.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Said, all right, call Texas.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It does feel a little over the top, doesn't it
a little?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Well, first, I just wanted to come see how you're doing.
I'm standing on the front porch. You're in the house
yelling about how we.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Disagree on everything. I just look, if you want to,
if you want to try and sell me that things
seem a little hypocritical.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
If you want to sell me that there's some doubles
speak happening right now, dude, we're actually on the same
page on that. There's a ton of it. Hey, here's
what's changed. The dynamic that you have to really pay
the labor. Now that's changed. Everyone gets that you had
to hide the money fifteen years ago because it looked really.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Bad to have you sitting on a mountain of cash.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So you had to build these big palaces that we
call facilities. But the time's changed. Okay, is there a
lot of hypocrisy? I don't even if you grant me
that you think Nick Saban sounded hypocritical the other day,
that's fine, I'll grant you that for argument sake. Here's
what I said to fifty buddies, So now I'll talk
to you about it, because they had the same take
you did.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
And I said, did you listen to what he said?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Because I agreed with some points he made, not all
of them, but some points he made.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
But I wanted to start on chapter one of the
book with them.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Like, if you think Saban sounds a little hypocritical, okay, well,
I just want to dial it back a second and
remind everyone. The sec in the Big ten for years
now have screamed, well, we're helpless.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I mean, we can't enforce our rules. We need help,
we need help.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
And they tried to get it from Congress and it
was called the Score Act, and it sucked because it
did not address revenue, and so it kept getting shot down.
And so they kept lobbying and kept lobbying, and they
kept saying the same thing, Colin. They kept saying, we're
doing this for the betterment of college athletics.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
We want what's best for college athletics. I heard it
a million times.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
And then Congress shot him a bill that had a
governance piece and a revenue piece, and the first thing
they did is crap all over it, and they said no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
this doesn't work for us. So all I'm saying is
the group that cried out that they can't enforce the
rules and they just need help and it's not sustainable, Well,
this bill fit both of the criteria they were looking for,
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and they don't like it either because it doesn't fit
their interests to a one hundred percent tie. So that
to me seems a little hypocritical. So there's this hypocrisy
all over the place.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So we both love college football, and one of the
things one of my complaints has always been, is that
you know, by the second week of October about eighty
percent of the sport's done. You're on a second loss,
you're done. You can get in now with three losses.
You won't be able to get into a twenty fourteen
playoff with four, nor should you. But three you got
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a shot. So that'll mean you're more willing to play
a Notre Dame amount of conference or a Miami at
a conference, which we all benefit. So I understand that
there's this sense that, man, we're we're letting everybody in. Well,
part of the magic of March madness isn't that the
little guy wins, But the little guy does occasionally knock
off Kentucky and get John Calipari run out of the building.
(05:03):
You don't love the twenty fourteen playoff, but there will
be occasional upsets and it will let more people in
the tent for a longer period of time, even if
it doesn't increase their chances of winning a title. Isn't
there value in that?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
There's value in reinforcing the product of the Playoff, just
like the NCAA tournament field being as big as it is,
it reinforces the value of that product.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Now, I'm not a hardcore basketball guy.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Because of the structure of the NCAA tournament, my mind
has been trained to understand I don't have to watch
the sport in December.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
I don't need to know what's happening in January.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And I detest even flirting with that in college football
because I'm a regular season guy. Anything that happens in
the playoff is a cherry on top to me.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Okay, you started to touch on this, and this is
where I always go. People talk about adding more value
on more games because you've got theoretically more teams with
a shot, more teams that have a chance to get
in the field, and.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I have never viewed it that way. I viewed it
as merely reassigning value.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
So the value that's placed on a game featuring a
couple of teams capable of winning it greatly reduces. So
I can put it on Nebraska versus Minnesota fighting for
the twenty two.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Seed, even though you.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
And I both know those teams don't actually have a
shot to.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Win the title.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
So all I did was reascignate value on games featuring
teams that we're not stupid. We know they're not going
to win the title. That's a basketball thing, and it's fine.
I don't ever try and bash one sport to prop
up the other. I just think they're different things, and
I think college football is a regular season thing for me,
and the other part of it is Sark and a
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bunch of other folks Notre Dame this past year, they
complained about being left out. We are capable of winning
a title if we get in and you left a
national championship capable team out, Well, first off, that screams
to me that the field is the perfect size. But secondly,
if you want to argue that teams are getting left
out and they're scared to schedule up because they don't
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want to get left out, well, to me, what you
are arguing is something I agree with. But what we're
arguing is maybe the committee's protocol should change a little bit.
Maybe the way we judge records should extend beyond just
what is your win and loss record, and understand and
dive a little deeper and understand this is not pro sports.
You can't just say you are what your record says
you are in college football. That's not the end of
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the sentence here.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, So I think Miami and Notre Dame meet for
the national championship. I don't trust Texas, although I like
them a lot. Ohio State's good. I think I think
Miami's a little better. But we don't know. Is there
Notre Dames in an interesting place? So I and again
I'm not I'm not a traditionalist. Although I do like Auburn, Alabama,
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Ohio State, Michigan, do Carolina. I like it, but I
think rivalries are a bit overstated. I mean, I'm gonna
watch Ohio State Michigan if they play three times. I
just like the game, right, I'm gonna watch it. So
and we love Duke in Carolina they play multiple times.
So Notre Dame is in an interesting spot. So Notre
Dame's for an expanded playoff because once USC backed out,
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they have one quality opponent.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
So let's just talk about Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Should they join a conference because their money is rolling
in forty million a year. The coach is great, their
schedule is atrocious. It is the worst schedule for any
big time team. If Notre Dame loses to Miami at
home and runs the table, is there an argument that's
not a good enough schedule?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I mean, where are you.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
On Notre Dame in this whole nil portal world and
college football playoff world.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
There is a scenario where they get left out at eleven.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
And one, Yeah, I think so too, But but that
that world includes.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Now that that world includes wins over SMU, a win
on the road, and it's bringing I'm young who I'm
very high on this year, So it wouldn't be this
total like G five poverty type strength to schedule. But
you are right, it's as down as I've seen it
in a long time. That's a perfect reflection of the
current state we're in where everyone's terrified to schedule a
lot of conference games.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
I grew up in the Deep South.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Everybody down there thinks that Notre Dame is evil for
not having ever joined a conference.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
I used to think that.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I kind of view it a little bit differently because
I asked myself, what would I do if I was
Notre Dame, And what I would do if I was
them is exactly what they've done, which is maintain my
independence and then look out the window and say, you
guys are just jealous. You can't do what we do.
Like I get that viewpoint, but that was yesterday. Okay.
So I've always said two things could really force their
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hand here. One is being left out of the playoff
because of perceived imbalance and schedule. That kind of happened
last year, it really could happen moving forward. And then
the other one is fundamental shifts in the structure of
the sport, i e. The whole Super Conference concept. Do
they have their hand forced that way? I think they
ought to do exactly what they want to do and
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shouldn't be forced to do anything. However, understand there are
consequences to those decisions, right.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Josh Paate does great work. I do have I have
Notre Dame Miami National Championship. Ohio State would be my third.
Do you have two teams that if you had to
better future bet, where would you go?
Speaker 4 (10:25):
You left Oregon out? That's interesting and I'm as high
on Oregon. I think this is Dan's best team. Have
you looked at not Dante more? Have you looked at
their defensive line? They got that whole thing back, I
mean they got they got Stewart back at wide receiver,
Coreyan Moores back there, and Oregon hasn't according to the
public out their Oregon hasn't even accomplished anything like Dan
(10:45):
quote unquote hasn't won anything. And I love the spot Therein.
I'm with you on Miami now. I went down there
and Wathington practice in the spring. I think that team's
going to be better than they were last year. And
they played for a national title last year, but they
have upgraded at quarterback and that wide receiver room is
just like filthy insane. But man, this is what's fun, Colin.
(11:06):
There are so many teams in that lead group. You
mentioned Texas, you mentioned Ohio State. Georgea is still up there.
There's no definitive favorite. I could throw half a dozen
teams at you right now to where there's no definitive favorite.
And then there's another group of like five or six
more wherever.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
If everything goes.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Right for him, they could make it.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
It's gonna be a great season once we finally kick
it off and play football.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Watch him the Josh pay College Football Show on the YouTube.
He's fantastic. Man.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Did we agreed on some stuff here that wasn't bad?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Fine, it was great.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
I appreciate the cheese platter.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
All right, Josh pay good. See anybody see you man.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
He does great work, fantastic work. The your Notre Dame
is in a fascinating place.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
They are kind of in a conference. But then they're independent,
so it's, uh, you know, they're they're that's not the
worst thing in the world. You know, they've got their
own private company, and then they got a little corporate support.
They've they've got a little acc and then they kind
of do their own thing and they can keep more
of their money.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
They're in the Yeah, they're they're there.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
As my staff said, uh, they're in what the kids
call a situationship.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Can I tell you my dad joke the other day
to my son. Can I tell you this, j Matt,
you have kids, So my dad, it's not a joke,
I said the editor when I was walking.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
So I left.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I went with my son to Spain for a couple
of days. He was in Chicago and Spain. Then I
left and he went to Barcelona with a friend because
he had some school. And I said, uh, I said,
when you when you have kids, someday, I said, you get,
so you gained so much satisfaction when you're not with
your kids, if they're being happy. If your kids are
(12:51):
happy and you're not with them, there's just a weird
feeling as a parent. It's like it's just it's love
combined with you know that that you know your kids did.
And I said to my son, I said, I'm gonna
call that datisfaction. And my son's like, Dad, that's don't
say that out loud. Datisfaction. And I said, it's not
a joke. It's just a word that I have created
(13:14):
that's going to take over the internet. So you guys
are all free to use it. When you're a parent,
you're not with your kids, but you're so happy, it's datisfaction.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Do I have permission to steal that? Please? Okay?
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Because I'm driving some kids home from school. You know,
I'm not dad who helps out at your book day,
you know. So I'm going to use the datisfaction I
just got and I'm gonna get looks like to stop
with the cringe, dad, and then.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Double down and go datisfaction guarantee, pound the dashboard, double down.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Boy.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Well, you love that stuff, right, you lean into it.
It's funny and my kids think I'm a rioight.
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Speaker 6 (14:36):
I wish we could keep the fun times going, but
we let's go to Minnesota where things are not fun.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
In that quarterback room.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Kyler Murray versus JJ McCarthy, it's getting tense. We saw
McCarthy say some cryptic stuff during an interview. Well. Kevin
O'Connell was asked about how McCarthy is handling it. Here's
what he had to say about his young quarterback.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
There's many times where Kyler may have a question that
you know, mirrored a question that JJ had during his uh,
you know year on the grass last year and playing,
and there's dialogue that comes. There's been tweaks to the
offense that we've made off of some of those conversations
in dialogue. But he's been he's been great in the
meeting room. He's been great on the grass and as
(15:18):
always he's you know, you know, as a former, as
a as a captain and a guy that helps lead
our team. He's been. He's been phenomenal there as.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Well, saying all the right stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Tyler Murray's going to separate after about four practices. There's
going to be a quarterback one and a quarterback other.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
I'm just trying to get, you know, take a moment,
call it and think how tough this must be. Think
back to your days in like Tampa. You were the
weather guy or whatever you were doing, and they brought
in someone who was going to be the next.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
You and they want you to like work with him.
It's got to be tough, man.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
I if I'm McCarthy. I'm just like calling or texting
Jim Harball on this line, be like, Yo, can you
come get me when this visions out the.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Sum That is not a terrible idea. I'll be the
backup to Herbert. That is not a terrible idea, one
of your better ones.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
That's what I do.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
See what I do? Friend?
Speaker 6 (16:11):
All right, let's move to the San Francisco forty nine ers, Colin. So,
obviously the Miles Garrett move to the Rams has shaken
up the division.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Everybody's rattled.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Sam Darnold's say, hey, we don't play that until week sixteen.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Forget about it.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Well, Trent Williams was asked about it.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
The.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Awesome Hall of Fame left tackle of the Niners. Hehre's
what he had to say about the Miles Garrett trade.
Speaker 9 (16:35):
At the end of the day, you gotta go out
there and play Miles. Is A scary part is he's
still a young player, so he's still going to get better.
I know it's scary at to seeing what he did
last year, so I'm never expecting to run into the
same player. I know that we're seeing week one in Australia.
He probably will be a little bit better than he
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was last time I seen him, and so you know,
just got to buckle up. Man, it's gonna be if
I ain't the only one who got to block them here.
You know, it's thirty one other teams got that same news.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Trent Williams is awesome. He's so good, so he amazingly.
He's only met Miles Garrett twice. The first time was
twenty twenty three, the last time was twenty twenty five.
How about this from our staff, Miles Garrett had a
sack and four pressures against Trent Williams in their last meeting.
And another fun stat from our staff just on fire today,
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Miles Garrett had twenty three sacks last year the forty
nine Ers defense like all of the guys at twenty mean.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
And Miles Garrett's facing double teams in Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
I don't know, man, Listen, you know I've become a
Niners guy because of brock perty I'm concerned.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
About his health.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Facing Miles Garrett twice, I mean, it's going to be.
It's it could get ugly for the Niners this year.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Colin, Yeah, J Mack with the news.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Heard Line News.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I saw this story.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Nick Herbig's new deal with the Steelers raises obvious questions
about the future of TJ.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Watt. Go get a first round pick.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
T J.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Watt gets your first round pick. It's not that difficult.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I mean, the Giants got a top ten pick for
Dexter Lawrence often off season, and TJ. Watt I think
has more of them. Max Crosby Ravens were going to
give up two first round picks for him. The Rams
are the Ravens two first round picks. This is so
(18:36):
weird to meet. The Rams and the Eagles are so
good at moving off older players. The Steelers treat older
players like that T shirt you have that you refuse
to give up. You know, your wife's like it's got
holes all it looks terrible. Get a new T shirt
like I can't give it up. They are the worst
poker players in the world. So right now, the Steelers
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have the second oldest and the most expensive defense. So
their defense is second oldest and the most expensive. Nothing
disqualifies you for a Super Bowl more than old and
expensive defense.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
It's just crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
The Seahawks defense last year, the Rams defense last year,
the Patriots defense last year. The Eagles in their Super
Bowl year, they had a lot of young guys, and
again the market for TJ.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Watt. The Brown's got.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
A first, second, a third, and Jared Verse for Miles Garrett.
The Giants got a first for dexter Lawrence, Jet's going
to first and second for defensive tackle Quinn Williams. Cowboys
got two for first round picks for MICHAELH. Parsons, who
can't defend the run. The Pittsburgh Stailers. It's like guys
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evolve move off older players. Remember Mike de Fabo was
with us recently on just the inability to reboot with
this organization.
Speaker 10 (20:00):
Right after Mike Tomlin resigned, there were some questions about
could this be an opportunity to hit the reset button,
to bring in a young, fresh coach and to retool
the roster.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
You could trade TJ. Watt and try to get a
haul from him. You can move on from.
Speaker 10 (20:14):
Some of these aging veterans on defense, you could see
what you had and Will Howard. But the Steelers really
have taken the exact opposite approach here. They instead signed
a number of aging veterans to supplement the group that
they already had Jamel Dean, they traded for Michael Pittman junior.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
They extended Cameron Hayward, so they are very.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
Much committed, and more than anything else, they waited on
a forty two year old quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Just incredible, Just the opposite of how the Eagles and
the Rams do business. Old teams get hurt more and
are slower to recover an expensive defense. Expensive defenses take
money away from offense.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
These are not highly confusing issues. Like TJ.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Wat's been great, we got a first round pick, We've
got a first and a fourth for him. You did
absolutely get that. He's a tremendous player and it's not
his fault. But they're owing six in playoff games with TJ. Watt,
so it's not magical. It's not really working. I mean,
if the Browns can move off Miles Garrett, get Jared
Verse in three great picks, you can get something for TJ.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Watt.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
A lot of these, a lot of these Super Bowl
teams that are just missing a great rush end. Is
it crazy to think you could get a first a second.
I don't think it is for TJ. Watt If I
was one of these. Denver doesn't need one Rams don't
need one, Chargers don't need one. Houston doesn't need one.
(21:43):
Chicago needs one. Chicago needs one. Tomorrow's Headlines Today.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
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Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
The Knicks have taken Game one of the NBA Finals.
Jmack thinks he knows how it's all gonna end, so
we call it Tomorrow's Headlines Today from the former Inkstein Retch,
the former newspaper guy. Jmack wats the headline for the
NBA Final.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Oh you know, I made the pick before the series
that I like the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Would I change my mind? After Game one?
Speaker 6 (22:40):
The headline for the NBA Finals will leave Victor wampwamp
and Yama Alien gets new nick name.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I'm sticking with the Nicks, Colin. I think they take.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Down Webbin Yaba. I love what our graphics team has done.
Very strong graphics Day. As a heads up, I just
I think this is an exhausted Spur team coming off
that series mentally physically draining. I know they're all young
guys that shouldn't matter, but Colin, when everything was geared
up to her, Hey, this is the best conference finals
in a decade, and you battled them in the regular season.
(23:13):
Like there is a bit of a coumdown and Jalen
Brunson was terrific down the stretch. I think the Spurs
gonna get things even up tonight, and frankly, I think
with two days off, Webb and Yama probably wins Game
three at the Garden.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But ultimately I'm sticking with the Knicks in six.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Okay, tomorrow's headline today? What will be the headline for
the X factor in the NBA five. We've seen that
through the years, Igwood, Dolla was a bit of an
X factor, became the MVP.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
What's the X factor? Well, the thing is everybody watches
Game one and thinks.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
That's exactly how the series is gonna play. It Is
Brunson gonna go for thirty all the time?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Probably not. Is Karl Anthony Town's.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Gonna have an amazing game every night out? Certainly not
for my MVV of the NBA Finals. The headline, Will
b Og ought to be me MVP, makes Spurs say,
oh geez, I love him. I listen, man, he is
so good. He had two huge threes in the fourth quarter.
It was just like, wow, is that a good shot
(24:09):
to pay him? There's one of them right there early
in the game. Og really had a strong game, largely
quiet through stretches. But he's the kind of guy who's
not gonna like I need my shot. You know he's out,
doesn't force anything, plus defender, tough inside. I really I
thought there was value plus four thousand on Og. Now
here's a corner three in the fourth quarter, big one.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
To put him up for Colin. He's just a good.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
All around player, really underrated, almost like a James Worthy type.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Remember James Worthy with the Lakers. It was like magic jabbar. Hey,
don't forget about James Worthy. He's really good. Love me
some Og and ob okay.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
So the team to return to the finals is the
next headline. Let's go tomorrow's headlines today.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
What team's going to return to the final.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Well, it is a little long, far as far ways away,
twelve months out from twenty seven, but Colin, we know
this for sure. One of these teams is gonna be
back next year? The headline for a return to the
finals next year back to back get appearances. Spurs say
we we will be back. I like that, I'll be
(25:17):
That graphic is incredible. Listen, the Spurs are going nowhere now.
The only thing that throws a wrinkle in this is
if the Thunder annie up and go after Giannis. There
are some interesting signs out there that they're not that
they're comfortable. Hey, when Ja Dubb comes back, we'll be fine, guys.
I don't think that's gonna be enough to beat the Spurs.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
That they're healthy.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
This Spurs team is only gonna get better. Remember, is
Dylan Harper gonna come off the bench next year? I
mean they can move off Harrison Barnes, find another guy,
and Dylan Harper becomes a starter. Maybe Darreon Fox comes
off the bench. By the way, Darreon Fox is making
twenty million more than any Spurs player. Like he's good,
but he's had a rough go here off the high
end of bad game one.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
That's sure.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
This is a Spurs team that's loaded. I don't see
them going anywhere. Would not be shocked if they were
in like eight of the next ten NBA finals.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
All right, now to off season speculation. Tomorrow's headlines today.
What's the headline for Yannis next season?
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Yeah, well, you know, we've made a lot of jokes
about Yannis and Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Remember the Dell's in Milwaukee back in the day.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
That was That was funny, Colin, headline for Yanna's next
season will be Wisconsin nice.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Doing business with you God.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
Yati's bailing on the cheddarheads for the feeda heads out
here in Los Angeles. He's gonna eat healthy, a lot
of great Greek food out here. Colin, I do think
LA's in play. You can scoff, roll your eyes, mock
me if you want. But this latest Austin Reeves support
is interesting. He wants the bag. I'm telling you, Like
the Lakers, they're smart. They're not gonna give him two
hundred and.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Forty million dollars.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
That's just not happening. And this Lakers Lebron stuff, I
don't know if that's smoke. The Lakers will have the
money to make a play for Yanna's. And at that
point it's like, hey, are the are the draft picks?
And off for the role players and Luca and Yannis together,
I know we can say what's the depth? Like, Colin,
that pick and roll between Luca and Jannis is going
to be unstoppable. I mean, it's a great duo. And frankly,
(27:11):
the Lakers have always been big game hunting. Remember they
went out and got Shack back in the day. The
Lakers come out and get Lebron James. They come out
and grab Luka Doncic.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Remember the Nash Dwight Howard acquisitions, Remember that Anthony Davis.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
For like three decades now, we've seen the Lakers go
get the best players in the league.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
They make it happen Jannis, Lakers love it.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And finally, the headline for the King Lebron next season.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I'm interested to hear this.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
This has been the sneakiest fun story all week and
we've had a banger of a week. Colin, the headline
for Lebron next season will be Olden State Warriors now more.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Unk than Dunk, and you've got.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
The Golden Girls there, Lebron Butler, Drayvon McCurry.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
It'd be a fun watch though, you got to admit that.
And the Warriors, you know, would save a lot of money.
They don't need Gatorade.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
They can just go with meta mucil, you know, the
old person drink during timeouts. I mean, listen, there's a
million jokes to be made here. The Golden State Fossils.
You can do whatever you want, Colin. This would be special.
The league would put them on Christmas Day opening night,
Lebron and Curry together, two of the.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Best what ten eleven players in the sport. It would
be a tremendous watch.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
There would be a you put them on Christmas Day
that could battle the NFL. That would be an interesting guy.
I would watch that. They're all healthy.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Who do you if you're Adam Silver, who do you
put them up against on Christmas?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Wemby?
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Okay, see yeah, I mean you got options. I think
it would be fun. Initially I was like, coward, you're crazy.
Then i read the Tim Kowakami piece and I'm like,
this actually could happen.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
It actually got I mean they could make it happen financially.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
This is where I'll defend Lebron. Okay, Lebron, you could
say it's been a little high maintenance. He basically ran
the league for like eighteen years. Adam Silver ran it Emmy,
Adam Silver went to him Lebron in his camp during
covidaber Kyrie Irving, Dwight Howard, let's cancel the games. Ord
of Adam Silver went to Lebron and said, talk Stens
into these guys. So he's done favors for the league
(29:22):
and he's sitting there thinking, you want me to take
you want me to take you know, like the third
or fourth biggest salary I can go. But I would
say this, there are times if it's going to be
the last year of anything, it can't be about money.
It can't if you're really I mean it's like Lebron,
(29:43):
you have monetized your brand as well as anybody, and
God love you for it.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I have no envy.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But at some point, if you want to stay in
LA and I know he does, and you want to
be able to afford like another really good three and
D player, what matters to.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
You more money or like winning more games? Because you
and I know this.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
San Antonio is only getting better. Minnesota, Denver and Oklahoma
City are already currently better.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, it's got to be more than.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Just h I He and Lebron basically brought mobility to
the forefront of the NBA and made a ton because
of it. He had ultimate leverage. He doesn't have leverage
that all of us, as we age, have less leverage.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
That's just a game.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
And now he would be telling the Lakers braun voyage.
I mean, there's listen the puns, that the jokes, the
old I mean that Colin, this would be a great
Hollywood script. And be honest, like, I know you're in Chicago,
You're staying up late to watch those Warriors with Curry
and Lebron. I will say you are the Lakers. I
thought were a fraudulent team this year because they had
no elite defenders on the wing. But Lebron, James and
(30:54):
the Lakers had two point eight five billion views on
NBA social and digital channels, number one in the league.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Let the Lakers have value. Los Angeles has value. Lebron
came to LA with about a six hundred million networth.
Now he's worth like one point three billion. LA has
been good to you, The Lakers have been good. You
got it titled they got you a d they got
you Luca, they tried Westbrook. It's it's do you want
to win happiness? At some point at the end of
(31:22):
any career, you know it's I mean it's like Brady
chose Tampa. Was that the perfect place for him? Well
for about a year it was, and then they got
a little old and the coach didn't quite fit, and
it's like, how much do you want to move?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
I mean he's winning fifty games. They were the four
seed given the injuries to the Big three like they
have got. They overachieved Colin.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
They've got to get more athletic on the wing. They
have no rim defender and no athletic wings.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Well, DeAndre Ayton, you know he's an offensive, big yeah,
Moody offensive. So there you go.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
All right, Well, we had the governor of Indiana on listen.
I understand Bears fan who is unhappy that the Bears
are probably gonna move to Hammond, Indiana. Like I get that,
but you look at what happened to the Chiefs, the Jets,
the Giants, the Commanders, the forty nine ers. Look what
happened to the Bay Area teams. I mean, you lost
(32:23):
your whole team. They're now in Vegas, Like this is
kind of what's happening. Is it's what states have a
right to compete. A lot of people in Illinois have
lived in Indiana for tax breaks. Through the years, I've
had a cheaper housing.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Compete Illinois didn't compete.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
So I said this, I like Nick Saban, but when
I see him talking to Congress.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
My take is.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
When we had an explosion of facilities. Twenty years ago,
Oregon was going big Texas and college football revenue and
college athletic revenue wasn't close to as big as it
is now. The Big Ten six weeks ago handed out
checks to universities member universities. They exceeded expectations by twenty
(00:57):
to twenty five percent. Revenue has exploded and it's only
getting bigger. But I didn't see all these football coaches
talking to Congress when facilities were exploding and coaching salaries
were exploding. Now, because a receiver makes one point four million,
we're freaking out. The ratings are up, the attendance is up,
the revenue is up. Listen to the SEC and the
(01:19):
Big Ten. You know, you've got your Miami's and you
know Texas Tech and Notre Dames. But we got a
couple of super conferences.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Josh Pate had Josh Payt College Football Show on YouTube
covering the sport for fifteen years. Haven't at the volume.
Just terrific job. Check his stuff out. So my take is, Listen,
I was covering Oregon when they started spending money on
facilities and college football was it was thirty percent revenue
(01:49):
as it is now. There are a lot of people eating.
It's just players are So is it fair to me
to say, hey, Nick? If Alabama would have come to
Nick Saban in his run ten years ago and Jimmy
Sexton and said, hey, the salaries are getting they're getting crazy,
Nick would have looked at Jimmy Sexton and.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Said, all right, call Texas.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It does feel a little over the top, doesn't it
a little?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Well, first, I just wanted to come see how you're doing.
I'm standing on the front porch. You're in the house
yelling about how we.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Disagree on everything. I just look, if you want to,
if you want to try and sell me that things
seem a little hypocritical.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
If you want to sell me that there's some doubles
speak happening right now, dude, we're actually on the same
page on that. There's a ton of it. Hey, here's
what's changed. The dynamic that you have to really pay
the labor. Now that's changed. Everyone gets that you had
to hide the money fifteen years ago because it looked really.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Bad to have you sitting on a mountain of cash.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So you had to build these big palaces that we
call facilities. But the time's changed. Okay, is there a
lot of hypocrisy? I don't even if you grant me
that you think Nick Saban sounded hypocritical the other day,
that's fine, I'll grant you that for argument sake. Here's
what I said to fifty buddies, So now I'll talk
to you about it, because they had the same take
you did.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
And I said, did you listen to what he said?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Because I agreed with some points he made, not all
of them, but some points he made.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
But I wanted to start on chapter one of the
book with them.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Like, if you think Saban sounds a little hypocritical, okay, well,
I just want to dial it back a second and
remind everyone. The sec in the Big ten for years
now have screamed, well, we're helpless.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I mean, we can't enforce our rules. We need help,
we need help.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
And they tried to get it from Congress and it
was called the Score Act, and it sucked because it
did not address revenue, and so it kept getting shot down.
And so they kept lobbying and kept lobbying, and they
kept saying the same thing, Colin. They kept saying, we're
doing this for the betterment of college athletics.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
We want what's best for college athletics. I heard it
a million times.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
And then Congress shot him a bill that had a
governance piece and a revenue piece, and the first thing
they did is crap all over it, and they said no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
this doesn't work for us. So all I'm saying is
the group that cried out that they can't enforce the
rules and they just need help and it's not sustainable, Well,
this bill fit both of the criteria they were looking for,
(04:10):
and they don't like it either because it doesn't fit
their interests to a one hundred percent tie. So that
to me seems a little hypocritical. So there's this hypocrisy
all over the place.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So we both love college football, and one of the
things one of my complaints has always been, is that
you know, by the second week of October about eighty
percent of the sport's done. You're on a second loss,
you're done. You can get in now with three losses.
You won't be able to get into a twenty fourteen
playoff with four, nor should you. But three you got
(04:40):
a shot. So that'll mean you're more willing to play
a Notre Dame amount of conference or a Miami at
a conference, which we all benefit. So I understand that
there's this sense that, man, we're we're letting everybody in. Well,
part of the magic of March madness isn't that the
little guy wins, But the little guy does occasionally knock
off Kentucky and get John Calipari run out of the building.
(05:03):
You don't love the twenty fourteen playoff, but there will
be occasional upsets and it will let more people in
the tent for a longer period of time, even if
it doesn't increase their chances of winning a title. Isn't
there value in that?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
There's value in reinforcing the product of the Playoff, just
like the NCAA tournament field being as big as it is,
it reinforces the value of that product.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Now, I'm not a hardcore basketball guy.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Because of the structure of the NCAA tournament, my mind
has been trained to understand I don't have to watch
the sport in December.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
I don't need to know what's happening in January.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And I detest even flirting with that in college football
because I'm a regular season guy. Anything that happens in
the playoff is a cherry on top to me.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Okay, you started to touch on this, and this is
where I always go. People talk about adding more value
on more games because you've got theoretically more teams with
a shot, more teams that have a chance to get
in the field, and.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I have never viewed it that way. I viewed it
as merely reassigning value.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
So the value that's placed on a game featuring a
couple of teams capable of winning it greatly reduces. So
I can put it on Nebraska versus Minnesota fighting for
the twenty two.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Seed, even though you.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
And I both know those teams don't actually have a
shot to.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Win the title.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
So all I did was reascignate value on games featuring
teams that we're not stupid. We know they're not going
to win the title. That's a basketball thing, and it's fine.
I don't ever try and bash one sport to prop
up the other. I just think they're different things, and
I think college football is a regular season thing for me,
and the other part of it is Sark and a
(06:44):
bunch of other folks Notre Dame this past year, they
complained about being left out. We are capable of winning
a title if we get in and you left a
national championship capable team out, Well, first off, that screams
to me that the field is the perfect size. But secondly,
if you want to argue that teams are getting left
out and they're scared to schedule up because they don't
(07:05):
want to get left out, well, to me, what you
are arguing is something I agree with. But what we're
arguing is maybe the committee's protocol should change a little bit.
Maybe the way we judge records should extend beyond just
what is your win and loss record, and understand and
dive a little deeper and understand this is not pro sports.
You can't just say you are what your record says
you are in college football. That's not the end of
(07:27):
the sentence here.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, So I think Miami and Notre Dame meet for
the national championship. I don't trust Texas, although I like
them a lot. Ohio State's good. I think I think
Miami's a little better. But we don't know. Is there
Notre Dames in an interesting place? So I and again
I'm not I'm not a traditionalist. Although I do like Auburn, Alabama,
(07:52):
Ohio State, Michigan, do Carolina. I like it, but I
think rivalries are a bit overstated. I mean, I'm gonna
watch Ohio State Michigan if they play three times. I
just like the game, right, I'm gonna watch it. So
and we love Duke in Carolina they play multiple times.
So Notre Dame is in an interesting spot. So Notre
Dame's for an expanded playoff because once USC backed out,
(08:15):
they have one quality opponent.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
So let's just talk about Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Should they join a conference because their money is rolling
in forty million a year. The coach is great, their
schedule is atrocious. It is the worst schedule for any
big time team. If Notre Dame loses to Miami at
home and runs the table, is there an argument that's
not a good enough schedule?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I mean, where are you.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
On Notre Dame in this whole nil portal world and
college football playoff world.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
There is a scenario where they get left out at eleven.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
And one, Yeah, I think so too, But but that
that world includes.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Now that that world includes wins over SMU, a win
on the road, and it's bringing I'm young who I'm
very high on this year, So it wouldn't be this
total like G five poverty type strength to schedule. But
you are right, it's as down as I've seen it
in a long time. That's a perfect reflection of the
current state we're in where everyone's terrified to schedule a
lot of conference games.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
I grew up in the Deep South.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Everybody down there thinks that Notre Dame is evil for
not having ever joined a conference.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
I used to think that.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I kind of view it a little bit differently because
I asked myself, what would I do if I was
Notre Dame, And what I would do if I was
them is exactly what they've done, which is maintain my
independence and then look out the window and say, you
guys are just jealous. You can't do what we do.
Like I get that viewpoint, but that was yesterday. Okay.
So I've always said two things could really force their
(09:45):
hand here. One is being left out of the playoff
because of perceived imbalance and schedule. That kind of happened
last year, it really could happen moving forward. And then
the other one is fundamental shifts in the structure of
the sport, i e. The whole Super Conference concept. Do
they have their hand forced that way? I think they
ought to do exactly what they want to do and
(10:06):
shouldn't be forced to do anything. However, understand there are
consequences to those decisions, right.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Josh Paate does great work. I do have I have
Notre Dame Miami National Championship. Ohio State would be my third.
Do you have two teams that if you had to
better future bet, where would you go?
Speaker 4 (10:25):
You left Oregon out? That's interesting and I'm as high
on Oregon. I think this is Dan's best team. Have
you looked at not Dante more? Have you looked at
their defensive line? They got that whole thing back, I
mean they got they got Stewart back at wide receiver,
Coreyan Moores back there, and Oregon hasn't according to the
public out their Oregon hasn't even accomplished anything like Dan
(10:45):
quote unquote hasn't won anything. And I love the spot Therein.
I'm with you on Miami now. I went down there
and Wathington practice in the spring. I think that team's
going to be better than they were last year. And
they played for a national title last year, but they
have upgraded at quarterback and that wide receiver room is
just like filthy insane. But man, this is what's fun, Colin.
(11:06):
There are so many teams in that lead group. You
mentioned Texas, you mentioned Ohio State. Georgea is still up there.
There's no definitive favorite. I could throw half a dozen
teams at you right now to where there's no definitive favorite.
And then there's another group of like five or six
more wherever.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
If everything goes.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Right for him, they could make it.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
It's gonna be a great season once we finally kick
it off and play football.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Watch him the Josh pay College Football Show on the YouTube.
He's fantastic. Man.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Did we agreed on some stuff here that wasn't bad?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Fine, it was great.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
I appreciate the cheese platter.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
All right, Josh pay good. See anybody see you man.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
He does great work, fantastic work. The your Notre Dame
is in a fascinating place.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
They are kind of in a conference. But then they're independent,
so it's, uh, you know, they're they're that's not the
worst thing in the world. You know, they've got their
own private company, and then they got a little corporate support.
They've they've got a little acc and then they kind
of do their own thing and they can keep more
of their money.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
They're in the Yeah, they're they're there.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
As my staff said, uh, they're in what the kids
call a situationship.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Can I tell you my dad joke the other day
to my son. Can I tell you this, j Matt,
you have kids, So my dad, it's not a joke,
I said the editor when I was walking.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
So I left.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I went with my son to Spain for a couple
of days. He was in Chicago and Spain. Then I
left and he went to Barcelona with a friend because
he had some school. And I said, uh, I said,
when you when you have kids, someday, I said, you get,
so you gained so much satisfaction when you're not with
your kids, if they're being happy. If your kids are
(12:51):
happy and you're not with them, there's just a weird
feeling as a parent. It's like it's just it's love
combined with you know that that you know your kids did.
And I said to my son, I said, I'm gonna
call that datisfaction. And my son's like, Dad, that's don't
say that out loud. Datisfaction. And I said, it's not
a joke. It's just a word that I have created
(13:14):
that's going to take over the internet. So you guys
are all free to use it. When you're a parent,
you're not with your kids, but you're so happy, it's datisfaction.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Do I have permission to steal that? Please? Okay?
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Because I'm driving some kids home from school. You know,
I'm not dad who helps out at your book day,
you know. So I'm going to use the datisfaction I
just got and I'm gonna get looks like to stop
with the cringe, dad, and then.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Double down and go datisfaction guarantee, pound the dashboard, double down.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Boy.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Well, you love that stuff, right, you lean into it.
It's funny and my kids think I'm a rioight.
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This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
I wish we could keep the fun times going, but
we let's go to Minnesota where things are not fun.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
In that quarterback room.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Kyler Murray versus JJ McCarthy, it's getting tense. We saw
McCarthy say some cryptic stuff during an interview. Well. Kevin
O'Connell was asked about how McCarthy is handling it. Here's
what he had to say about his young quarterback.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
There's many times where Kyler may have a question that
you know, mirrored a question that JJ had during his uh,
you know year on the grass last year and playing,
and there's dialogue that comes. There's been tweaks to the
offense that we've made off of some of those conversations
in dialogue. But he's been he's been great in the
meeting room. He's been great on the grass and as
(15:18):
always he's you know, you know, as a former, as
a as a captain and a guy that helps lead
our team. He's been. He's been phenomenal there as.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Well, saying all the right stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Tyler Murray's going to separate after about four practices. There's
going to be a quarterback one and a quarterback other.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
I'm just trying to get, you know, take a moment,
call it and think how tough this must be. Think
back to your days in like Tampa. You were the
weather guy or whatever you were doing, and they brought
in someone who was going to be the next.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
You and they want you to like work with him.
It's got to be tough, man.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
I if I'm McCarthy. I'm just like calling or texting
Jim Harball on this line, be like, Yo, can you
come get me when this visions out the.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Sum That is not a terrible idea. I'll be the
backup to Herbert. That is not a terrible idea, one
of your better ones.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
That's what I do.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
See what I do? Friend?
Speaker 6 (16:11):
All right, let's move to the San Francisco forty nine ers, Colin. So,
obviously the Miles Garrett move to the Rams has shaken
up the division.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Everybody's rattled.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Sam Darnold's say, hey, we don't play that until week sixteen.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Forget about it.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Well, Trent Williams was asked about it.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
The.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Awesome Hall of Fame left tackle of the Niners. Hehre's
what he had to say about the Miles Garrett trade.
Speaker 9 (16:35):
At the end of the day, you gotta go out
there and play Miles. Is A scary part is he's
still a young player, so he's still going to get better.
I know it's scary at to seeing what he did
last year, so I'm never expecting to run into the
same player. I know that we're seeing week one in Australia.
He probably will be a little bit better than he
(16:55):
was last time I seen him, and so you know,
just got to buckle up. Man, it's gonna be if
I ain't the only one who got to block them here.
You know, it's thirty one other teams got that same news.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Trent Williams is awesome. He's so good, so he amazingly.
He's only met Miles Garrett twice. The first time was
twenty twenty three, the last time was twenty twenty five.
How about this from our staff, Miles Garrett had a
sack and four pressures against Trent Williams in their last meeting.
And another fun stat from our staff just on fire today,
(17:27):
Miles Garrett had twenty three sacks last year the forty
nine Ers defense like all of the guys at twenty mean.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
And Miles Garrett's facing double teams in Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
I don't know, man, Listen, you know I've become a
Niners guy because of brock perty I'm concerned.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
About his health.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Facing Miles Garrett twice, I mean, it's going to be.
It's it could get ugly for the Niners this year.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Colin, Yeah, J Mack with the news.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Heard Line News.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I saw this story.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Nick Herbig's new deal with the Steelers raises obvious questions
about the future of TJ.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Watt. Go get a first round pick.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
T J.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Watt gets your first round pick. It's not that difficult.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I mean, the Giants got a top ten pick for
Dexter Lawrence often off season, and TJ. Watt I think
has more of them. Max Crosby Ravens were going to
give up two first round picks for him. The Rams
are the Ravens two first round picks. This is so
(18:36):
weird to meet. The Rams and the Eagles are so
good at moving off older players. The Steelers treat older
players like that T shirt you have that you refuse
to give up. You know, your wife's like it's got
holes all it looks terrible. Get a new T shirt
like I can't give it up. They are the worst
poker players in the world. So right now, the Steelers
(18:56):
have the second oldest and the most expensive defense. So
their defense is second oldest and the most expensive. Nothing
disqualifies you for a Super Bowl more than old and
expensive defense.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
It's just crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
The Seahawks defense last year, the Rams defense last year,
the Patriots defense last year. The Eagles in their Super
Bowl year, they had a lot of young guys, and
again the market for TJ.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Watt. The Brown's got.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
A first, second, a third, and Jared Verse for Miles Garrett.
The Giants got a first for dexter Lawrence, Jet's going
to first and second for defensive tackle Quinn Williams. Cowboys
got two for first round picks for MICHAELH. Parsons, who
can't defend the run. The Pittsburgh Stailers. It's like guys
(19:44):
evolve move off older players. Remember Mike de Fabo was
with us recently on just the inability to reboot with
this organization.
Speaker 10 (20:00):
Right after Mike Tomlin resigned, there were some questions about
could this be an opportunity to hit the reset button,
to bring in a young, fresh coach and to retool
the roster.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
You could trade TJ. Watt and try to get a
haul from him. You can move on from.
Speaker 10 (20:14):
Some of these aging veterans on defense, you could see
what you had and Will Howard. But the Steelers really
have taken the exact opposite approach here. They instead signed
a number of aging veterans to supplement the group that
they already had Jamel Dean, they traded for Michael Pittman junior.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
They extended Cameron Hayward, so they are very.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
Much committed, and more than anything else, they waited on
a forty two year old quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Just incredible, Just the opposite of how the Eagles and
the Rams do business. Old teams get hurt more and
are slower to recover an expensive defense. Expensive defenses take
money away from offense.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
These are not highly confusing issues. Like TJ.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Wat's been great, we got a first round pick, We've
got a first and a fourth for him. You did
absolutely get that. He's a tremendous player and it's not
his fault. But they're owing six in playoff games with TJ. Watt,
so it's not magical. It's not really working. I mean,
if the Browns can move off Miles Garrett, get Jared
Verse in three great picks, you can get something for TJ.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Watt.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
A lot of these, a lot of these Super Bowl
teams that are just missing a great rush end. Is
it crazy to think you could get a first a second.
I don't think it is for TJ. Watt If I
was one of these. Denver doesn't need one Rams don't
need one, Chargers don't need one. Houston doesn't need one.
(21:43):
Chicago needs one. Chicago needs one. Tomorrow's Headlines Today.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
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Weekdays and Noonie. They're not a Empacific Tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Horse Racing's greatest throw ride, Golden Tempo, made history once.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
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Speaker 6 (22:10):
Coverage begins tomorrow at four eastern live on Fox.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
The Knicks have taken Game one of the NBA Finals.
Jmack thinks he knows how it's all gonna end, so
we call it Tomorrow's Headlines Today from the former Inkstein Retch,
the former newspaper guy. Jmack wats the headline for the
NBA Final.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Oh you know, I made the pick before the series
that I like the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Would I change my mind? After Game one?
Speaker 6 (22:40):
The headline for the NBA Finals will leave Victor wampwamp
and Yama Alien gets new nick name.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I'm sticking with the Nicks, Colin. I think they take.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Down Webbin Yaba. I love what our graphics team has done.
Very strong graphics Day. As a heads up, I just
I think this is an exhausted Spur team coming off
that series mentally physically draining. I know they're all young
guys that shouldn't matter, but Colin, when everything was geared
up to her, Hey, this is the best conference finals
in a decade, and you battled them in the regular season.
(23:13):
Like there is a bit of a coumdown and Jalen
Brunson was terrific down the stretch. I think the Spurs
gonna get things even up tonight, and frankly, I think
with two days off, Webb and Yama probably wins Game
three at the Garden.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But ultimately I'm sticking with the Knicks in six.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Okay, tomorrow's headline today? What will be the headline for
the X factor in the NBA five. We've seen that
through the years, Igwood, Dolla was a bit of an
X factor, became the MVP.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
What's the X factor? Well, the thing is everybody watches
Game one and thinks.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
That's exactly how the series is gonna play. It Is
Brunson gonna go for thirty all the time?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Probably not. Is Karl Anthony Town's.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Gonna have an amazing game every night out? Certainly not
for my MVV of the NBA Finals. The headline, Will
b Og ought to be me MVP, makes Spurs say,
oh geez, I love him. I listen, man, he is
so good. He had two huge threes in the fourth quarter.
It was just like, wow, is that a good shot
(24:09):
to pay him? There's one of them right there early
in the game. Og really had a strong game, largely
quiet through stretches. But he's the kind of guy who's
not gonna like I need my shot. You know he's out,
doesn't force anything, plus defender, tough inside. I really I
thought there was value plus four thousand on Og. Now
here's a corner three in the fourth quarter, big one.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
To put him up for Colin. He's just a good.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
All around player, really underrated, almost like a James Worthy type.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Remember James Worthy with the Lakers. It was like magic jabbar. Hey,
don't forget about James Worthy. He's really good. Love me
some Og and ob okay.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
So the team to return to the finals is the
next headline. Let's go tomorrow's headlines today.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
What team's going to return to the final.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Well, it is a little long, far as far ways away,
twelve months out from twenty seven, but Colin, we know
this for sure. One of these teams is gonna be
back next year? The headline for a return to the
finals next year back to back get appearances. Spurs say
we we will be back. I like that, I'll be
(25:17):
That graphic is incredible. Listen, the Spurs are going nowhere now.
The only thing that throws a wrinkle in this is
if the Thunder annie up and go after Giannis. There
are some interesting signs out there that they're not that
they're comfortable. Hey, when Ja Dubb comes back, we'll be fine, guys.
I don't think that's gonna be enough to beat the Spurs.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
That they're healthy.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
This Spurs team is only gonna get better. Remember, is
Dylan Harper gonna come off the bench next year? I
mean they can move off Harrison Barnes, find another guy,
and Dylan Harper becomes a starter. Maybe Darreon Fox comes
off the bench. By the way, Darreon Fox is making
twenty million more than any Spurs player. Like he's good,
but he's had a rough go here off the high
end of bad game one.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
That's sure.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
This is a Spurs team that's loaded. I don't see
them going anywhere. Would not be shocked if they were
in like eight of the next ten NBA finals.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
All right, now to off season speculation. Tomorrow's headlines today.
What's the headline for Yannis next season?
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Yeah, well, you know, we've made a lot of jokes
about Yannis and Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Remember the Dell's in Milwaukee back in the day.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
That was That was funny, Colin, headline for Yanna's next
season will be Wisconsin nice.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Doing business with you God.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
Yati's bailing on the cheddarheads for the feeda heads out
here in Los Angeles. He's gonna eat healthy, a lot
of great Greek food out here. Colin, I do think
LA's in play. You can scoff, roll your eyes, mock
me if you want. But this latest Austin Reeves support
is interesting. He wants the bag. I'm telling you, Like
the Lakers, they're smart. They're not gonna give him two
hundred and.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Forty million dollars.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
That's just not happening. And this Lakers Lebron stuff, I
don't know if that's smoke. The Lakers will have the
money to make a play for Yanna's. And at that
point it's like, hey, are the are the draft picks?
And off for the role players and Luca and Yannis together,
I know we can say what's the depth? Like, Colin,
that pick and roll between Luca and Jannis is going
to be unstoppable. I mean, it's a great duo. And frankly,
(27:11):
the Lakers have always been big game hunting. Remember they
went out and got Shack back in the day. The
Lakers come out and get Lebron James. They come out
and grab Luka Doncic.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Remember the Nash Dwight Howard acquisitions, Remember that Anthony Davis.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
For like three decades now, we've seen the Lakers go
get the best players in the league.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
They make it happen Jannis, Lakers love it.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And finally, the headline for the King Lebron next season.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I'm interested to hear this.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
This has been the sneakiest fun story all week and
we've had a banger of a week. Colin, the headline
for Lebron next season will be Olden State Warriors now more.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Unk than Dunk, and you've got.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
The Golden Girls there, Lebron Butler, Drayvon McCurry.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
It'd be a fun watch though, you got to admit that.
And the Warriors, you know, would save a lot of money.
They don't need Gatorade.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
They can just go with meta mucil, you know, the
old person drink during timeouts. I mean, listen, there's a
million jokes to be made here. The Golden State Fossils.
You can do whatever you want, Colin. This would be special.
The league would put them on Christmas Day opening night,
Lebron and Curry together, two of the.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Best what ten eleven players in the sport. It would
be a tremendous watch.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
There would be a you put them on Christmas Day
that could battle the NFL. That would be an interesting guy.
I would watch that. They're all healthy.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Who do you if you're Adam Silver, who do you
put them up against on Christmas?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Wemby?
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Okay, see yeah, I mean you got options. I think
it would be fun. Initially I was like, coward, you're crazy.
Then i read the Tim Kowakami piece and I'm like,
this actually could happen.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
It actually got I mean they could make it happen financially.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
This is where I'll defend Lebron. Okay, Lebron, you could
say it's been a little high maintenance. He basically ran
the league for like eighteen years. Adam Silver ran it Emmy,
Adam Silver went to him Lebron in his camp during
covidaber Kyrie Irving, Dwight Howard, let's cancel the games. Ord
of Adam Silver went to Lebron and said, talk Stens
into these guys. So he's done favors for the league
(29:22):
and he's sitting there thinking, you want me to take
you want me to take you know, like the third
or fourth biggest salary I can go. But I would
say this, there are times if it's going to be
the last year of anything, it can't be about money.
It can't if you're really I mean it's like Lebron,
(29:43):
you have monetized your brand as well as anybody, and
God love you for it.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I have no envy.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But at some point, if you want to stay in
LA and I know he does, and you want to
be able to afford like another really good three and
D player, what matters to.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
You more money or like winning more games? Because you
and I know this.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
San Antonio is only getting better. Minnesota, Denver and Oklahoma
City are already currently better.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, it's got to be more than.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Just h I He and Lebron basically brought mobility to
the forefront of the NBA and made a ton because
of it. He had ultimate leverage. He doesn't have leverage
that all of us, as we age, have less leverage.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
That's just a game.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
And now he would be telling the Lakers braun voyage.
I mean, there's listen the puns, that the jokes, the
old I mean that Colin, this would be a great
Hollywood script. And be honest, like, I know you're in Chicago,
You're staying up late to watch those Warriors with Curry
and Lebron. I will say you are the Lakers. I
thought were a fraudulent team this year because they had
no elite defenders on the wing. But Lebron, James and
(30:54):
the Lakers had two point eight five billion views on
NBA social and digital channels, number one in the league.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Let the Lakers have value. Los Angeles has value. Lebron
came to LA with about a six hundred million networth.
Now he's worth like one point three billion. LA has
been good to you, The Lakers have been good. You
got it titled they got you a d they got
you Luca, they tried Westbrook. It's it's do you want
to win happiness? At some point at the end of
(31:22):
any career, you know it's I mean it's like Brady
chose Tampa. Was that the perfect place for him? Well
for about a year it was, and then they got
a little old and the coach didn't quite fit, and
it's like, how much do you want to move?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
I mean he's winning fifty games. They were the four
seed given the injuries to the Big three like they
have got. They overachieved Colin.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
They've got to get more athletic on the wing. They
have no rim defender and no athletic wings.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Well, DeAndre Ayton, you know he's an offensive, big yeah,
Moody offensive. So there you go.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
All right, Well, we had the governor of Indiana on listen.
I understand Bears fan who is unhappy that the Bears
are probably gonna move to Hammond, Indiana. Like I get that,
but you look at what happened to the Chiefs, the Jets,
the Giants, the Commanders, the forty nine ers. Look what
happened to the Bay Area teams. I mean, you lost
(32:23):
your whole team. They're now in Vegas, Like this is
kind of what's happening. Is it's what states have a
right to compete. A lot of people in Illinois have
lived in Indiana for tax breaks. Through the years, I've
had a cheaper housing.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Compete Illinois didn't compete.
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