June 11, 2026 • 33 mins
Jason Timpf from Hoops Tonight joins the show to tell Colin what the major mistakes the Spurs made as they blew their 29-point lead.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
You know, kind of my theme today and pick your annoyance.
But there's been about four to five things with the
head coach of the Spurs. And I don't bang on
coaches a lot, like I think players win and lose games.
And it's kind of an epidemic in the football season,
you know, like you don't know, you don't watch film,
you don't know who's healthy. A lot of times Andy
Reid will not make he will not make certain adjustments
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because he's got a guard that's playing on one leg
and he can't. And so a lot of times you're
masquerading stuff during the course of a series or a game.
But when you lead it by twenty nine and one
point in the second half and wemby on one day's rest,
you got to get him a break, and you've got
to manufacture shots you got to call a time out
for Dylan Harper. You didn't have a shot in the
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last ten minutes. I mean, are some things here that
is just casual observers would get Jason Timp, a host
of hoops tonight at the volume covered the NBA for
a long time former Laker, podcaster and blocker. Okay, so
give me the two things because I think we agree
on this. I was listening to your stuff this morning.
Give me the two thing because I could go give
you about six the two things that are kind of unforgivable.
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And again, the Spurs are young, so is Mitch Johnson.
It's ready his first year run in the show. Give
me the two things that drove you nuts about the
coaching for San Antonio second half.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
So the first piece is the final two possessions, just
simply the double team of Brunson. As soon as you
double team Brunson, you create a four on three rebounding dynamic.
And if you look at those seven players, og In Andobe,
Michale Bridges and Karl Anthony Towns are literally the three
tallest players out of those seven guys. And so if
you're not matched up and you're not boxing out, it
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turns into a jumping contest, and you created a jumping
contest where Ogn and Obi had a runway with nobody
standing in front of him. I thought that was a
tactical error there. Just let Wemby guard him, stay matched
up so you can box out on the ensuing possession.
Mike Brown Genius plays both of his centers because he
knows one point two seconds left. They can't pass, so
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we don't have to worry about the inbounder at all.
So he puts Mitch on Wemby and he puts Kat
on the inbounder. And I thought Mitch Johnson made a
catastrophic error by having his smallest player who's also a lefty,
trying to throw over the top of a seven footer
on a play that is designed to generate a lob.
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And what's crazy is the play design was beautiful because
Mitch didn't want to leave Wemby, so him setting the
backscreen creates the dynamic where Steph is wide open. But
you got to put a taller player in there to
imbound over the top of Cat. I thought that was
a huge mistake. And then lastly, the Harper piece, the
no shot attempts over the last ten minutes. Like you said,
where I think Mitch keeps overthinking this is play all
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three of your guards. There's no reason to have Champagnie
out there or Devin Vessel out there at the same time.
He keeps cycling in two of the guards at the
same time. If Mike Brown is gonna play Jose Alvarado,
you gotta play Dylan Harper alongside your two guards, because
then Dylan Harper's being guarded by Jose Alvarado and he
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can't guard it, and then then you have a matchup
you can attack. Instead, you have Deer and Fox attacking
one of the best defenders in the league O Jiananobi
over and over again. And I just think that's a
recipe for disaster. I thought Mike Brown badly out coached
Mitch Johnson down the stretch that.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I have no question. Now what's interesting is the Spurs
have been a great first quarter team. The Knicks are
falling into deficits ugly ones. Last night, the Spurs are
heavily favored five and a half points in Game of
five in San Antonio. Why what is the remedy? Is
it just youthful energy? Is you know, Mike Brown and
his staff. You know, a lot of times you'll see
this in the first round. It's a feeling out process.
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We want to watch their you know, we kind of
want to watch their offense. What are they leaning into?
But the Spurs keep keep taking command of these games.
Does that worry you going forward? Because remember when Wemby
gets two days rest, he's a better player, Like he's
in his third straight physical series. Why does San Antonio
rush out to dominant leeds in these first quarters?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Because of the fact that they do, as you've mentioned
in the show already today, they do have more talent
when they have their best lineup on the floor, they
have more ball handling, the more athletic on the perimeter.
Wenby's the best defensive player on the floor. I'd argue
Wemby's the best player overall. And in those groups like
and as you've seen time and time again, when the
Spurs run their stuff and they set good screens and
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their guards look to attack, they get good.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Looks at three.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
And when they play with that pace and they take
those good catch and shoot three early in the set,
they are capable of going on these runs where they
knock down a bunch of shots it's how they beat Okac.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
In Game seven.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Then on the other end of the floor, I thought
Mike Brown with the really smart adjustment as Brunson got
worn down by the ball pressure from the Spurs in
game three. He plays Jose Alvarado next to Jalen Brunson,
gives him another ball handling outlet, puts more speed on
the floor, and that was the story of the tail
end of the game. It was a lot of Jose
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Alvarado screening for Jalen Brunson and pulling Wemby away from
the basket. That's the chess match. As we head into
game five, the Spurs have to find a way to
keep Wemby at the rim and on the other end
of the floor. They can't settle for these bad catch
and shoot threes early in possessions, and they have to
find a way to get back to what they did
in the first half, which is getting their guards going
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downhill towards the rim.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
They had zero points in the paint in the third quarter.
Zero They they got away from from what they This team,
when they're at their best, it's their guards attacking and
everything that comes off of that. When their guards are attacking,
they let go of the rope for a few minutes,
they opened up hope for the Knicks, and then they
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lost control the half court battle down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, the overall I mean I said it, it's Picasso's
first doodling, wasn't his best work, Like I feel like
Wemby's first final. There's gaps here. How would you grade
him overall? I mean, defensively, he gives you such tremendous
effort and dexterity, but overall, where would you what would
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you give his grade as a final?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So far for Wemby, Everything with Wemby is graded on
this like weird curve where you have to account for
just how impactful he is just by being out there,
like which is so underrated. Like still in the series,
they're plus eleven when he's on the floor and minus
nineteen when he's off, So like there's a certain amount
of like you can't you can't like over focus on
the flaws. But the bottom line is Karl Anthony has
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completely erased him as an ISO player. He has been
exposed as a guy who does not have a reliable
over the top game in one on one situations. That's
something he's got to address this summer. The conditioning is
a huge piece of this. You've been talking about this
on the show all day to day, and I think
you're spot on. Victor wen Minyama looks gassed at the
end of these games, and I think this is on
him and on the organization. If you're going to manage
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his minutes. I totally understand, Yeah, you don't. Why would
you pay your player seven and a half foot tall
guy thirty eight minutes a game in the regular season?
I get that, fine, but you've got to ramp him
up at some point before the playoffs. He was averaging
twenty nine minutes per game. Post All Star Break. You
were basically ramping him down when things were about to
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heat back up. Like you got to have him over
the final month of the season playing thirty six thirty
eight minutes a game to prepare him for these environments,
because then he ends up in a big finals game
having to play forty four and he looks gassed, and
everyone focuses on the misfree throws. Obviously he's got to
make his free throws. The miss jump shots, Obviously he
has to hit more jump shots. To me, it's the
defensive end. On the defensive end, when Wemby is lively,
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he's an unsolvable problem. But when he's tired, you can
get him in space and you can catch him shifting
his weight the wrong direction, you can catch him lazy
on a closeout, you can catch him not making the
extra efforts that he makes when he has the energy.
That conditioning piece is absolutely massive for his long term
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development because, as you can tell, this entire team, their
success in this whole playoff run has been predicated on
whether or not he's on the floor. When he steps off,
everything falls apart. So the best thing they can do
is scale up his minutes. And by the way, that's
not a Wemby unique thing. That's every star I can
remember in my lifetime. It's like, man, Lebron's got to
play forty six tonight. Lebron's got to play forty four tonight.
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Steph's got to play forty four tonite. That's just part
of the responsibility that comes with these situations.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Do you give us Furst any chance to come back
and win it?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Absolutely so, I think when you dig into it in
the half court dynamic, Like all the complaining about officiating
has been so lame to me. I think this has
been a very well officiated series. I think, yeah, the
Spurs are beating up Brunson, but the Knicks are beating
up Wemby and for Yeah, there was a twenty four
to eight free throw advantage in the second half of
Game three. Well, there was a twenty three to six
free throw advantage for the Knicks in the first half
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of Game four.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Like I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I don't see that as a storyline at all. The
real problem is, over the course of the last several games,
the Spurs were getting better shots than the Knicks for
a long time there. It wasn't until that final lineup
with Jose Alvarado where I was like, oh man, the
Knicks are getting some really good looks there. For about
six seven quarters, there was a long stretch there where
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the Spurs were getting better shots. They're home for Game five,
they're home for Game seven. And what I would remind
everybody is, look at what happened in the OKC series
in the Western Conference Finals. They were down three to two,
and they beat them up in game six, and they
went into OKCE in Game seven and threw an excellent
defensive punch and closed the deal. The only reason and
why I still view the Knicks as the safer bet
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is frankly, I think these games are going to be close, Colin,
and over and over again. In these close games, the
Knicks have proven to be the more mature, the more stable,
the more steady, and the less mistake prone team, and
that ends up being the difference when these games. Like
every one of these games has been a clutch game,
calling all four of them, either team could be up
four to zero at this point. It comes down to
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these close games, and the Knicks are just a more
savvy team. Last thing I'll say about it is this,
when you look at the Knicks, they know at the
end of the game they're playing through Brunson, and he
knows exactly what he's gonna do. He's gonna look to
score one on one or he's gonna draw that second
defender and make that decision. And he's one of the
most rock solid ball handlers in the league. The guys
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in the broadcast were calling this out last night. A
shout out to Tim Leglary did a great job. He's like,
the Spurs don't look like they know what they want
to do. They literally don't look like they know what
action they want to run at the end of the game,
and that to me is the biggest difference. They're gonna
beat some close games and the Spurs have to win
all all three of them, and that's just a lot
to ask against this well executing of a Knicks team.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Well, remember the old Warriors on there.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
There were the older, smarter, more mature team beat a
Celtics team when we thought Boston had more talent, and
it was a former t wolve Andrew Wiggins who was
kind of unreliable, that was reliable in the finals. Here
we have Kat the former t Wolves sometimes unreliable. He's
on the older, wiser team with less talent, and I
think they're going to see the same thing is there is.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Some value in these finals.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
There's a lot of things that matter, and some of
it's just days on task. Like I think, I don't
think that the Spurs look as lost, but I think
we have to be honest about this. Mitch Johnson to
this point has gotten He's gotten worked in a couple
of these big games. We just and we don't either
always bang on coaches, but there are times, I mean
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a lot of guys that win championships, Popovich Daily, Phil
Jackson read our Bock. There are not a lot of
young coaches Hoiston trophies. That's kind of my vibeses. It
feels like a Celtics Warriors. I just thought Wisdom iq
EQ want it for Golden State over that Boston team.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
That specific dynamic we're talking about how the Spurs don't
know what they want to do. That's where Mitch has
to step in. Okay, here's what we're doing. Guys, Darren,
you got og. It ain't the right matchup for us.
Wemby Cats shoving you around, that's not We're not going
ISO here. I want Harper to check into the game. Harper,
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you are going to be guarded by Jose Alvarado. Here's
the set we're running to get you into an advantageous position.
We want you to look to attack to your point.
The younger teams need that extra helping hand, that guiding hand,
so much more than the veteran teams. When you're talking
about a veteran team, they got coaches on the floor.
Lebron solving that stuff in the moment. Steph is solving
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that stuff in the moment. The veteran teams they are
kind of coaching on the floor, and it's actually more
important for the coach to step back and let those
guys kind of solve the problem. With this particular group,
Mitch has to take more of a hands on role
in their offensive process. Just spamming Fox against og and
Andobi that one of the best defenders in the league
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when he's got a high ankle sprain. And have you
seen the numbers from before his ankle sprain to after
are catastrophically different. His numbers have fallen off of a cliff.
He's not the same guy. There needs to be more
of an intentionality towards the other Spurs young guards.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
All right, Jason temp hoops tonight at the volume. Great
seeing you, but is always nice insight see you Colin, Yeah,
I mean last night did Aaron Fox. It's just it's off.
You can just sense it. He's not playing with any confidence.
Sometimes he's just getting run of the ball too quickly
and you can see it. He's an old injured player.
You know his contract now it kicks in next year.
(13:52):
It is a massive contract and Daron Fox. Now the
good news is nobody else is getting paid, so you
can you know it doesn't matter what sport. It is
felt same thing. If you've got a bad contract on
a young team, you can live with it. So but
dearon Fox's contract. He's not healthy and he was a
minus last night. He got a new way of progress.
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Speaker 6 (14:58):
With all the love for og and Jalen Brunson is
not a big talking point. He was excellent, obviously, one
of his best games in the series, but Colin afterward
he was not celebrating like the fans were on the court.
Jalen Brunson had a great quote afterward about the series
and what that win means.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
We've got a lot to learn these next couple of days.
But everyone tally has to be zero zero the way
it's been there's it has to be that way, and
I feel like us moving forward with that mindset can
really benefit us.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
But it's just.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
There's nothing, there's nothing to celebrate us. It's not over yet,
not even close.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
He's right, So it's a I think San Antonio goes
back to New York trailing three to zero, three to
two with good momentum, and again Wemby on two days rest.
I think it's I think New York wins it, but
I think it's going to be really competitive rush of
the way.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Interesting in that for the next two days Runson og
all these guys, greatest Knicks team ever, best win an
NBA Finals history, Like all you're going to be hearing
is really positive Knick stuff. Just like when they went
up tow to zero in San Antonio, what happened in
Game three didn't show up in the first quarter. Spurs
lead almost most of the game and win it. So
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I do believe there will be a hangover here.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
For the Knicks.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
But man, holy, I mean, we can't stop watching them.
How many times have you watched the og tipp in Colin?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Well, it's just fifty. Yeah, I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
The last time an NBA Finals had a play like
that was Lebron's block.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah, I gets it. The extraordinary.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Well, we'll see how the next two two days off
to ruminate. But all right, let's move on to college football.
Huge story this week was Brendan Soorsby Listen, you and
I have been in kind of lockstep. This is not
the end of the world, right Obviously the gambling saga colin.
His head coach Joey McGuire chimed in yesterday talking to
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fans and alumni at the Houston Touchdown Club. I didn't
love this, but take a listen.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
For do you said?
Speaker 9 (17:02):
Because a society, we've been okay with other things happens
and allowing players to play, and this has been the
one thing that has your guided people that they were against.
Speaker 10 (17:14):
You know, it's.
Speaker 9 (17:16):
Crazy because it's not a murder, it's not beating somebody here,
it's so here.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
There's a lot of things that we're working through.
Speaker 9 (17:27):
None of this is okay.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah no, So he ends it with that, none of
it's okay. I talked to a CEO last night of
a major sports league team.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
Last night.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I called him and I called him and I laid
it out and I said, what did you make of it?
And he said, well, here's the difference. So he runs
a Protea's a CEO of a pro team in America.
He says, ours is black and white. We have a
code of conduct, we have strong leadership with the commissioner,
we have contracts.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
You make you you you are. You know the.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Cleveland Indians one pitch out, he goes, it's very easy
for us. In pro sports it's black and white. And
he said in college sports, it's everybody for themselves. The
Big Ten doesn't care about the Big Twelve. I mean
Oklahoma leaves the state, you know, he leaves the conference.
They don't even give Oklahoma State a call. USC says,
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we're leaving the Big We're leaving the Pac twelve. They
don't care about the rest of the members. They said
bye to Call and Stanford, who are long time allies,
they don't care. Oklahoma leaves. They don't care Texas leaves.
They don't care about their rivals. College sports is a
little like boxing. Every conference, every man, every promoter, every
team for themselves. Even within the Big Twelve. Texas Tech
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is like the enemy of the conference. So this was,
as the CEO told me, he goes, this was totally predictable.
Retired judge made the decision. He goes, and this person's
been would be a very attractive athletic director at schools.
He said, college sports is murky and gray and you
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don't have strong leadership. So he goes, this was gonna happen.
This is the least surprising event ever. And you know,
this person says like, yeah, I don't think you can
play him, and I have if you believe that strongly.
I'm not appalled by that. I think there's an absolute
argument that he just can't play. I think that's an
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absolutely reasonable argument. Your take, in my take, is college
football is going to be fine. It's not the end
of the world, even for the Big twelve. And the
other thing is when you lack great parenting, management or leadership,
which we've all said for years with college football, this
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is the result. In Major League Baseball, Rob Manfred, it
is written, it's a contract, it's a code of conduct.
It's black and white college this. If you had a
commissioner of college football, whoever it is, and he was strong,
you could have come in an hour later and said, boom,
he's out, and I would have been okay with that.
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But I think what I'm bothered with is the reaction
that this is the worst thing in the world. And
it's like, no, it was totally predictable, and I am
pro gambling. Maybe do a fault, but I young guys
phones in their pocket, advertised everywhere, apps everywhere, this was
going to happen.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Just be prepared for it. I dug into a little bit.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
So some of the court documents say he made about
three hundred bets on other college football games, Miami, Notre Dad,
whatever they were.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
He made about.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Forty bets out of nine thousand Collin on Indiana while
he was not playing for Indiana.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
So if you an estimate right.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Ninety thousand dollars spent nine to ten thousand dollars bets,
he's making nine or ten dollar bets. So he bet
like maybe a few hundred dollars on Indiana while he
was there. I mean again, context really matters in.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
This stuff to me.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
At least you know he's making eight bets on Indiana football.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Something's up.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
It was something like forty bets according to the court documents.
Does that matter to you the context or nothing?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Listen you I know you said for in the NFL,
it's one in your Remember he did not break a law.
He broke a rule. You know, Pete Rose was betting.
Gambling was illegal, and he was a manager. Pete Rose
was a manager. I can you know an intern can
do something in Fox, it's a slap on the wrist.
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If I do something, it's a suspension. If the CEO
does something, he's out of work. And I'm you know,
I mean, there's there's different levels of responsibility. Pete Rose
was a grown man in a managerial spot.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You know George Steinmaner got thrown out of baseball. He
was an owner. Yeah right, We've had We've had pro owners,
had a franchise taken away, Marge shot, Robert Sarver, Donald Sterling.
This is a college kid, not a manager, a transfer
who did something really dumb and should be suspended. I'm
okay if you kick him out of the sport, I'm
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fine with it. I think it's the reaction that everybody,
this is preposterous. Not having a CEO of college football
is preposterous. And I've said that for since we've been
working together. That has been one of my College football
is like boxing when Don King and Bob Aaron Ram
ran it. It was just like every every fight, you're like,
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how come this guy doesn't fight that guy? A million
different divisions, WBOWBC, WBA, college football is somebody said it
this morning in our staff meeting, Martin said, this college
football is like a cash only restaurant. You know, you
never do a big corporate meeting there, You'd never do
a wedding reception there. But if you had a buddy
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in town, you'd be like, oh, you got to go
to this cash only restaurant.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
It's old school.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
It's wild, it's fun, it's crazy, it's it's not real corporate.
College football is a bit of a barnyard music. It's
a bit of a mess, but like boxing in its prime,
you can't take your eyes off it, and it's glorious
at its best.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
All right, we could wrap up with a positive college
football story, and that's your guys at USC. We know
they watch the show and listen, and Lincoln Riley has
now created a director of AI role for the football team.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I saw that.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
I love this so essentially, is this some young kid
who's like, Hey, I'm worried about my job. Let me
get AI in the title. You know when I go
to my meeting to ensure that I can work anywhere forever.
Because if you have AI in your job title, you're
in great shape.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
But I know you're starting to use AI more. Is
that accurate? So I'm using it probably excessively.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I was with some dads last night who were like, listen,
I had to upgrade to claude at one hundred dollars
a month because at twenty if you overuse it, They're like,
you can't.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
You're out of usage today. So AIS not going anywhere.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
And I think this is a smart, forward thinking move
by Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I can't wait for college football, as dysfunctional as it is.
I mean, there's been so many changes in the sport.
We now have general managers, nil transfer, portal gambling controversies.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
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you know, in the media business. I understand people, you
know right now, they don't like Congress. Sometimes the media
rankles people, most people. Jason McIntyre is very critical to
Charles Barkley, but he's kind of bottom line on stuff.
He watched that twenty nine point Spurs lead evaporate, and
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here was Barkley's reaction.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
We saw with dumbas basketball team the history of civilization. Wow,
we saw they had a twenty five point league to
eight straight threes like they thought. Again, that was some
of the most mismanaged stupid basketball. Hey, well you foughts
one at nine point leads. The other team has to
(25:18):
help you. The San Antonio Spurs help New York and
will Knicks win this game by doing some of the
stupid ass stuff I've never seen on a bunch of
ball court.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Well, again, they're young, the coach is young. Some of
it predictable. I mean, we knew the New York Knicks
were the best net rating first fourth quarter basketball team
in league history. That's true since they've been tracking net rating,
the Knicks are the best fourth quarter team.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Well, when you can.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Join that with the Spurs are the youngest team in
fifty years. We knew meltdowns were on the horizon, and
you didn't need climate change. We knew there were gonna
be some meltdowns. Young coach, youngest team fifty years. Here
come the profoundly great fourth quarter Knicks.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
So some of this was predictable.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And for the record, one of the reasons I think
the Spurs get out to big leads is they know
that they're like, we don't want to get close. I mean,
I think some of the Spurs anxiety is baked in.
I mean, you look at all that net rating stuff,
so you know this thing that's that's catching everybody off guard.
It's like the Brennan Sorosby story. That can't catch you
off guard. It ain't great. I understand you're bothered. It
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can't shock you that we have a gambling controversy in
college sports, all right, Like Nick's best fourth quarter team ever,
veterans Nova guys, veteran coach against the new kids on
the block.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, it was not gonna be.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
That's why for San Antonio, you last night is so
hurtful and painful, because that is what you gotta have.
You gotta have an eight nine point lead. They have
just made so many mistakes. Frank Isola talked about this
earlier on the OG Tipin to win It.
Speaker 10 (27:04):
Jalen takes the shot misses. It turns out to be
the perfect miss because here comes o Jananoby flying down
the middle of the lane, going untouched. If somebody was
guarding him on the inbounds pass, and at least you
could have prevented him, even for a split second, from
having an open path to the basket, that could be
the difference between winning and losing. So these losses for
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the Spurs have been absolutely brutal. The Knicks to me
come across as the smarter team in those winning moments,
making the plays, and that's the difference.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, it's I mean, the next we're a third seed
in the East, right like that Warriors team that beat
I keep comparing this next team to the last Warriors
team that won a title. That Warrior team was third
in the West. We never thought the Knicks were the
best team in the league at any point this season.
We never thought those Warriors were the best team in
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the league at any point that season. The younger, more talented,
twitchy or Celtics had him where they wanted them, and
they went back home and choked like a cat and
a hairball just dagged it away. That's what the Celtics did.
Then they come back eventually and the young guys Tatum
and Brown, they get their title. The Spurs are eventually
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like those Celtics gonna get their title. But and they've
got the twitchy, the athleticism, the youthfulness. They're hoppy, they're springing.
So it reminds me very much. You remember that series.
We thought the Warriors, we were surprised they got to
the finals. You can't trust Andrew Wiggins, and all of
a sudden, Wiggins had a couple of huge games for
the Warriors. Who're like, I guess you can trust Andrew Wiggins.
(28:39):
By the way, from that point forward, you never could,
right and so like, and that's been cat in the story.
A third seed in the really awful East. You're like, yeh,
they're shere, Lucky Halliburton's not around. Oh boy, Tatum missing
some time, and then all of a sudden, you watch him.
They're struggling against Atlanta and you're like, they're bad. Atlanta
was sub five hundred March. Then they make a tweak
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and another former timber wolf Cat who's always been kind
of flaky and not dependable, but talented like Wiggins, pops.
So it's very much that Warriors team where we never
thought they were the best team, but they had a
great run in a great series. And for the record,
that Warrior team got lucky. Jamal Murray got hurt for Denver,
John Morant got hurt for Memphis. Remember that title run.
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They kept getting breaks, people were injured, and let's be honest,
Jason Tatum can't show up for a game for the Celtics.
Embiid only plays a couple of games in the series.
You know, Cleveland melted with Harden. What a shocker. So
you know that they're similar, not great teams. I just
think when the Knicks went on that prodigious thirteen game
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winning streak, we're like, WHOA, is this an all time
great team.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
They're not. You've seen it.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
They fall behind in every first quarter, they trail late
in every game. But to Frank's point, Jason's point, everybody's point.
You're seeing why experience matters, like you're just seeing, You're
seeing san Antonio just melt and like last night, whoever
you're rooting for, I find it hard to root for
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people that don't live up to expectations. I mean, we've
all met somebody in our life that we really like
and they're really talented, and you're like, God, if they
just were focused, they just like worked a little harder.
And it's like with san Antonio, they drive me crazy.
The Knicks never drive me. I'm not in love with
the Knicks, but like I feel like they kind of
squeeze all the juice out of the team. I feel
(30:31):
like the Knicks they get, they get, they fill that
glass with all the juice, all everything they got, you get.
It doesn't mean everybody plays great, but they situationally, they
win the games they should win. If they lose, they're
not as good. San Antonio drives your nuts. You're like, dude,
you can't keep showing up late for work. You know,
(30:53):
dog gate, the homework's not going to work. You use
that last Wednesday like san Antonio in the second half
last night was impossible.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
To root for, So Colin, is it because they're not
putting in the workers?
Speaker 4 (31:03):
It just simply they're two young kids. They're yell kids.
So let me ask you about this.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
I know Berkley's analysis was harsh, whatever kind of accurate.
If Dearon Fox doesn't go for the layup and he
merely doesn't, they win.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
They get And what's the take today? Oh, the the
take is you guys, almost blue?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Almost blue?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It okay, twenty nine point lead. The coaching was terrible.
How did it get that close? I mean, I wouldn't
be coming out today going the Spurs are dominant.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
But they would be.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
They would be two to two headed home for Game five,
That's right. And I mean, like my take would be,
these are really good teams, they're not great. It's a
wildly fun series. Yeah, if de Aaron Fox on this
play just goes out, it's just a U turn.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
He just burns three more seconds. That probably makes two
free throws. But yeah, I can't get over the Wemby stuff.
Speaker 10 (31:49):
Man.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
By the way, a fun stat from the Knicks. I
just saw this.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
So do you want to guess how many minutes Alvarado
and Brunson played in the playoffs this season.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Before last night, that's a I don't think much zero.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
They had never been on the court together, and now
they played down the stretch because they needed someone to
take the ball up the court because Brunson's just getting
harassed by Castle and Brunson was wearing down and he
had a good night shooting, and Alvarado took some pressure
off Brontson.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
A smart move by Mike Brown. Well, and he was
crossing the coaching again. Mike Brown tweaked cat. Mike Brown
tweaks the roster. This is why they hired Mike Brown.
He was seen as a collaborator and a listener. Right,
you get fired a few times, you end up being
a very good listener, even if you're not naturally, you know,
organically a great listener. I don't know Mike well enough
to know, but one of the things we've seen with
(32:35):
Brown is, you know, there's not caps and ceilings and
borders like he is coaching minute to minute in this series.
That's what Mike's doing, and that that's actually hard to do.
You got money, your experience, you got a good team,
you're a favorite. Now it's all of a sudden, like, guys,
we're gonna We're gonna roll the dice. I may get
ripped for this. It's a credit to Mike Brown. Mike
(32:57):
Brown has had a He's had a very good postseason
from the Atlanta series on Mike Brown deserves a lot
of credit. Mexico, South Africa next on Fox The World.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
You know, kind of my theme today and pick your annoyance.
But there's been about four to five things with the
head coach of the Spurs. And I don't bang on
coaches a lot, like I think players win and lose games.
And it's kind of an epidemic in the football season,
you know, like you don't know, you don't watch film,
you don't know who's healthy. A lot of times Andy
Reid will not make he will not make certain adjustments
(00:49):
because he's got a guard that's playing on one leg
and he can't. And so a lot of times you're
masquerading stuff during the course of a series or a game.
But when you lead it by twenty nine and one
point in the second half and wemby on one day's rest,
you got to get him a break, and you've got
to manufacture shots you got to call a time out
for Dylan Harper. You didn't have a shot in the
(01:10):
last ten minutes. I mean, are some things here that
is just casual observers would get Jason Timp, a host
of hoops tonight at the volume covered the NBA for
a long time former Laker, podcaster and blocker. Okay, so
give me the two things because I think we agree
on this. I was listening to your stuff this morning.
Give me the two thing because I could go give
you about six the two things that are kind of unforgivable.
(01:33):
And again, the Spurs are young, so is Mitch Johnson.
It's ready his first year run in the show. Give
me the two things that drove you nuts about the
coaching for San Antonio second half.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
So the first piece is the final two possessions, just
simply the double team of Brunson. As soon as you
double team Brunson, you create a four on three rebounding dynamic.
And if you look at those seven players, og In Andobe,
Michale Bridges and Karl Anthony Towns are literally the three
tallest players out of those seven guys. And so if
you're not matched up and you're not boxing out, it
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turns into a jumping contest, and you created a jumping
contest where Ogn and Obi had a runway with nobody
standing in front of him. I thought that was a
tactical error there. Just let Wemby guard him, stay matched
up so you can box out on the ensuing possession.
Mike Brown Genius plays both of his centers because he
knows one point two seconds left. They can't pass, so
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we don't have to worry about the inbounder at all.
So he puts Mitch on Wemby and he puts Kat
on the inbounder. And I thought Mitch Johnson made a
catastrophic error by having his smallest player who's also a lefty,
trying to throw over the top of a seven footer
on a play that is designed to generate a lob.
(02:48):
And what's crazy is the play design was beautiful because
Mitch didn't want to leave Wemby, so him setting the
backscreen creates the dynamic where Steph is wide open. But
you got to put a taller player in there to
imbound over the top of Cat. I thought that was
a huge mistake. And then lastly, the Harper piece, the
no shot attempts over the last ten minutes. Like you said,
where I think Mitch keeps overthinking this is play all
(03:11):
three of your guards. There's no reason to have Champagnie
out there or Devin Vessel out there at the same time.
He keeps cycling in two of the guards at the
same time. If Mike Brown is gonna play Jose Alvarado,
you gotta play Dylan Harper alongside your two guards, because
then Dylan Harper's being guarded by Jose Alvarado and he
(03:32):
can't guard it, and then then you have a matchup
you can attack. Instead, you have Deer and Fox attacking
one of the best defenders in the league O Jiananobi
over and over again. And I just think that's a
recipe for disaster. I thought Mike Brown badly out coached
Mitch Johnson down the stretch that.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I have no question. Now what's interesting is the Spurs
have been a great first quarter team. The Knicks are
falling into deficits ugly ones. Last night, the Spurs are
heavily favored five and a half points in Game of
five in San Antonio. Why what is the remedy? Is
it just youthful energy? Is you know, Mike Brown and
his staff. You know, a lot of times you'll see
this in the first round. It's a feeling out process.
(04:08):
We want to watch their you know, we kind of
want to watch their offense. What are they leaning into?
But the Spurs keep keep taking command of these games.
Does that worry you going forward? Because remember when Wemby
gets two days rest, he's a better player, Like he's
in his third straight physical series. Why does San Antonio
rush out to dominant leeds in these first quarters?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Because of the fact that they do, as you've mentioned
in the show already today, they do have more talent
when they have their best lineup on the floor, they
have more ball handling, the more athletic on the perimeter.
Wenby's the best defensive player on the floor. I'd argue
Wemby's the best player overall. And in those groups like
and as you've seen time and time again, when the
Spurs run their stuff and they set good screens and
(04:52):
their guards look to attack, they get good.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Looks at three.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
And when they play with that pace and they take
those good catch and shoot three early in the set,
they are capable of going on these runs where they
knock down a bunch of shots it's how they beat Okac.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
In Game seven.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Then on the other end of the floor, I thought
Mike Brown with the really smart adjustment as Brunson got
worn down by the ball pressure from the Spurs in
game three. He plays Jose Alvarado next to Jalen Brunson,
gives him another ball handling outlet, puts more speed on
the floor, and that was the story of the tail
end of the game. It was a lot of Jose
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Alvarado screening for Jalen Brunson and pulling Wemby away from
the basket. That's the chess match. As we head into
game five, the Spurs have to find a way to
keep Wemby at the rim and on the other end
of the floor. They can't settle for these bad catch
and shoot threes early in possessions, and they have to
find a way to get back to what they did
in the first half, which is getting their guards going
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downhill towards the rim.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
They had zero points in the paint in the third quarter.
Zero They they got away from from what they This team,
when they're at their best, it's their guards attacking and
everything that comes off of that. When their guards are attacking,
they let go of the rope for a few minutes,
they opened up hope for the Knicks, and then they
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lost control the half court battle down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, the overall I mean I said it, it's Picasso's
first doodling, wasn't his best work, Like I feel like
Wemby's first final. There's gaps here. How would you grade
him overall? I mean, defensively, he gives you such tremendous
effort and dexterity, but overall, where would you what would
(06:36):
you give his grade as a final?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So far for Wemby, Everything with Wemby is graded on
this like weird curve where you have to account for
just how impactful he is just by being out there,
like which is so underrated. Like still in the series,
they're plus eleven when he's on the floor and minus
nineteen when he's off, So like there's a certain amount
of like you can't you can't like over focus on
the flaws. But the bottom line is Karl Anthony has
(07:00):
completely erased him as an ISO player. He has been
exposed as a guy who does not have a reliable
over the top game in one on one situations. That's
something he's got to address this summer. The conditioning is
a huge piece of this. You've been talking about this
on the show all day to day, and I think
you're spot on. Victor wen Minyama looks gassed at the
end of these games, and I think this is on
him and on the organization. If you're going to manage
(07:23):
his minutes. I totally understand, Yeah, you don't. Why would
you pay your player seven and a half foot tall
guy thirty eight minutes a game in the regular season?
I get that, fine, but you've got to ramp him
up at some point before the playoffs. He was averaging
twenty nine minutes per game. Post All Star Break. You
were basically ramping him down when things were about to
(07:45):
heat back up. Like you got to have him over
the final month of the season playing thirty six thirty
eight minutes a game to prepare him for these environments,
because then he ends up in a big finals game
having to play forty four and he looks gassed, and
everyone focuses on the misfree throws. Obviously he's got to
make his free throws. The miss jump shots, Obviously he
has to hit more jump shots. To me, it's the
defensive end. On the defensive end, when Wemby is lively,
(08:08):
he's an unsolvable problem. But when he's tired, you can
get him in space and you can catch him shifting
his weight the wrong direction, you can catch him lazy
on a closeout, you can catch him not making the
extra efforts that he makes when he has the energy.
That conditioning piece is absolutely massive for his long term
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development because, as you can tell, this entire team, their
success in this whole playoff run has been predicated on
whether or not he's on the floor. When he steps off,
everything falls apart. So the best thing they can do
is scale up his minutes. And by the way, that's
not a Wemby unique thing. That's every star I can
remember in my lifetime. It's like, man, Lebron's got to
play forty six tonight. Lebron's got to play forty four tonight.
(08:49):
Steph's got to play forty four tonite. That's just part
of the responsibility that comes with these situations.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Do you give us Furst any chance to come back
and win it?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Absolutely so, I think when you dig into it in
the half court dynamic, Like all the complaining about officiating
has been so lame to me. I think this has
been a very well officiated series. I think, yeah, the
Spurs are beating up Brunson, but the Knicks are beating
up Wemby and for Yeah, there was a twenty four
to eight free throw advantage in the second half of
Game three. Well, there was a twenty three to six
free throw advantage for the Knicks in the first half
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of Game four.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Like I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I don't see that as a storyline at all. The
real problem is, over the course of the last several games,
the Spurs were getting better shots than the Knicks for
a long time there. It wasn't until that final lineup
with Jose Alvarado where I was like, oh man, the
Knicks are getting some really good looks there. For about
six seven quarters, there was a long stretch there where
(09:40):
the Spurs were getting better shots. They're home for Game five,
they're home for Game seven. And what I would remind
everybody is, look at what happened in the OKC series
in the Western Conference Finals. They were down three to two,
and they beat them up in game six, and they
went into OKCE in Game seven and threw an excellent
defensive punch and closed the deal. The only reason and
why I still view the Knicks as the safer bet
(10:02):
is frankly, I think these games are going to be close, Colin,
and over and over again. In these close games, the
Knicks have proven to be the more mature, the more stable,
the more steady, and the less mistake prone team, and
that ends up being the difference when these games. Like
every one of these games has been a clutch game,
calling all four of them, either team could be up
four to zero at this point. It comes down to
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these close games, and the Knicks are just a more
savvy team. Last thing I'll say about it is this,
when you look at the Knicks, they know at the
end of the game they're playing through Brunson, and he
knows exactly what he's gonna do. He's gonna look to
score one on one or he's gonna draw that second
defender and make that decision. And he's one of the
most rock solid ball handlers in the league. The guys
(10:44):
in the broadcast were calling this out last night. A
shout out to Tim Leglary did a great job. He's like,
the Spurs don't look like they know what they want
to do. They literally don't look like they know what
action they want to run at the end of the game,
and that to me is the biggest difference. They're gonna
beat some close games and the Spurs have to win
all all three of them, and that's just a lot
to ask against this well executing of a Knicks team.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Well, remember the old Warriors on there.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
There were the older, smarter, more mature team beat a
Celtics team when we thought Boston had more talent, and
it was a former t wolve Andrew Wiggins who was
kind of unreliable, that was reliable in the finals. Here
we have Kat the former t Wolves sometimes unreliable. He's
on the older, wiser team with less talent, and I
think they're going to see the same thing is there is.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Some value in these finals.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
There's a lot of things that matter, and some of
it's just days on task. Like I think, I don't
think that the Spurs look as lost, but I think
we have to be honest about this. Mitch Johnson to
this point has gotten He's gotten worked in a couple
of these big games. We just and we don't either
always bang on coaches, but there are times, I mean
(11:50):
a lot of guys that win championships, Popovich Daily, Phil
Jackson read our Bock. There are not a lot of
young coaches Hoiston trophies. That's kind of my vibeses. It
feels like a Celtics Warriors. I just thought Wisdom iq
EQ want it for Golden State over that Boston team.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
That specific dynamic we're talking about how the Spurs don't
know what they want to do. That's where Mitch has
to step in. Okay, here's what we're doing. Guys, Darren,
you got og. It ain't the right matchup for us.
Wemby Cats shoving you around, that's not We're not going
ISO here. I want Harper to check into the game. Harper,
(12:32):
you are going to be guarded by Jose Alvarado. Here's
the set we're running to get you into an advantageous position.
We want you to look to attack to your point.
The younger teams need that extra helping hand, that guiding hand,
so much more than the veteran teams. When you're talking
about a veteran team, they got coaches on the floor.
Lebron solving that stuff in the moment. Steph is solving
(12:54):
that stuff in the moment. The veteran teams they are
kind of coaching on the floor, and it's actually more
important for the coach to step back and let those
guys kind of solve the problem. With this particular group,
Mitch has to take more of a hands on role
in their offensive process. Just spamming Fox against og and
Andobi that one of the best defenders in the league
(13:14):
when he's got a high ankle sprain. And have you
seen the numbers from before his ankle sprain to after
are catastrophically different. His numbers have fallen off of a cliff.
He's not the same guy. There needs to be more
of an intentionality towards the other Spurs young guards.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
All right, Jason temp hoops tonight at the volume. Great
seeing you, but is always nice insight see you Colin, Yeah,
I mean last night did Aaron Fox. It's just it's off.
You can just sense it. He's not playing with any confidence.
Sometimes he's just getting run of the ball too quickly
and you can see it. He's an old injured player.
You know his contract now it kicks in next year.
(13:52):
It is a massive contract and Daron Fox. Now the
good news is nobody else is getting paid, so you
can you know it doesn't matter what sport. It is
felt same thing. If you've got a bad contract on
a young team, you can live with it. So but
dearon Fox's contract. He's not healthy and he was a
minus last night. He got a new way of progress.
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Speaker 6 (14:58):
With all the love for og and Jalen Brunson is
not a big talking point. He was excellent, obviously, one
of his best games in the series, but Colin afterward
he was not celebrating like the fans were on the court.
Jalen Brunson had a great quote afterward about the series
and what that win means.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
We've got a lot to learn these next couple of days.
But everyone tally has to be zero zero the way
it's been there's it has to be that way, and
I feel like us moving forward with that mindset can
really benefit us.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
But it's just.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
There's nothing, there's nothing to celebrate us. It's not over yet,
not even close.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
He's right, So it's a I think San Antonio goes
back to New York trailing three to zero, three to
two with good momentum, and again Wemby on two days rest.
I think it's I think New York wins it, but
I think it's going to be really competitive rush of
the way.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Interesting in that for the next two days Runson og
all these guys, greatest Knicks team ever, best win an
NBA Finals history, Like all you're going to be hearing
is really positive Knick stuff. Just like when they went
up tow to zero in San Antonio, what happened in
Game three didn't show up in the first quarter. Spurs
lead almost most of the game and win it. So
(16:14):
I do believe there will be a hangover here.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
For the Knicks.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
But man, holy, I mean, we can't stop watching them.
How many times have you watched the og tipp in Colin?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Well, it's just fifty. Yeah, I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
The last time an NBA Finals had a play like
that was Lebron's block.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah, I gets it. The extraordinary.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Well, we'll see how the next two two days off
to ruminate. But all right, let's move on to college football.
Huge story this week was Brendan Soorsby Listen, you and
I have been in kind of lockstep. This is not
the end of the world, right Obviously the gambling saga colin.
His head coach Joey McGuire chimed in yesterday talking to
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fans and alumni at the Houston Touchdown Club. I didn't
love this, but take a listen.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
For do you said?
Speaker 9 (17:02):
Because a society, we've been okay with other things happens
and allowing players to play, and this has been the
one thing that has your guided people that they were against.
Speaker 10 (17:14):
You know, it's.
Speaker 9 (17:16):
Crazy because it's not a murder, it's not beating somebody here,
it's so here.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
There's a lot of things that we're working through.
Speaker 9 (17:27):
None of this is okay.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah no, So he ends it with that, none of
it's okay. I talked to a CEO last night of
a major sports league team.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
Last night.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I called him and I called him and I laid
it out and I said, what did you make of it?
And he said, well, here's the difference. So he runs
a Protea's a CEO of a pro team in America.
He says, ours is black and white. We have a
code of conduct, we have strong leadership with the commissioner,
we have contracts.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
You make you you you are. You know the.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Cleveland Indians one pitch out, he goes, it's very easy
for us. In pro sports it's black and white. And
he said in college sports, it's everybody for themselves. The
Big Ten doesn't care about the Big Twelve. I mean
Oklahoma leaves the state, you know, he leaves the conference.
They don't even give Oklahoma State a call. USC says,
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we're leaving the Big We're leaving the Pac twelve. They
don't care about the rest of the members. They said
bye to Call and Stanford, who are long time allies,
they don't care. Oklahoma leaves. They don't care Texas leaves.
They don't care about their rivals. College sports is a
little like boxing. Every conference, every man, every promoter, every
team for themselves. Even within the Big Twelve. Texas Tech
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is like the enemy of the conference. So this was,
as the CEO told me, he goes, this was totally predictable.
Retired judge made the decision. He goes, and this person's
been would be a very attractive athletic director at schools.
He said, college sports is murky and gray and you
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don't have strong leadership. So he goes, this was gonna happen.
This is the least surprising event ever. And you know,
this person says like, yeah, I don't think you can
play him, and I have if you believe that strongly.
I'm not appalled by that. I think there's an absolute
argument that he just can't play. I think that's an
(19:24):
absolutely reasonable argument. Your take, in my take, is college
football is going to be fine. It's not the end
of the world, even for the Big twelve. And the
other thing is when you lack great parenting, management or leadership,
which we've all said for years with college football, this
(19:44):
is the result. In Major League Baseball, Rob Manfred, it
is written, it's a contract, it's a code of conduct.
It's black and white college this. If you had a
commissioner of college football, whoever it is, and he was strong,
you could have come in an hour later and said, boom,
he's out, and I would have been okay with that.
(20:06):
But I think what I'm bothered with is the reaction
that this is the worst thing in the world. And
it's like, no, it was totally predictable, and I am
pro gambling. Maybe do a fault, but I young guys
phones in their pocket, advertised everywhere, apps everywhere, this was
going to happen.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Just be prepared for it. I dug into a little bit.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
So some of the court documents say he made about
three hundred bets on other college football games, Miami, Notre Dad,
whatever they were.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
He made about.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Forty bets out of nine thousand Collin on Indiana while
he was not playing for Indiana.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
So if you an estimate right.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Ninety thousand dollars spent nine to ten thousand dollars bets,
he's making nine or ten dollar bets. So he bet
like maybe a few hundred dollars on Indiana while he
was there. I mean again, context really matters in.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
This stuff to me.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
At least you know he's making eight bets on Indiana football.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Something's up.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
It was something like forty bets according to the court documents.
Does that matter to you the context or nothing?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Listen you I know you said for in the NFL,
it's one in your Remember he did not break a law.
He broke a rule. You know, Pete Rose was betting.
Gambling was illegal, and he was a manager. Pete Rose
was a manager. I can you know an intern can
do something in Fox, it's a slap on the wrist.
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If I do something, it's a suspension. If the CEO
does something, he's out of work. And I'm you know,
I mean, there's there's different levels of responsibility. Pete Rose
was a grown man in a managerial spot.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You know George Steinmaner got thrown out of baseball. He
was an owner. Yeah right, We've had We've had pro owners,
had a franchise taken away, Marge shot, Robert Sarver, Donald Sterling.
This is a college kid, not a manager, a transfer
who did something really dumb and should be suspended. I'm
okay if you kick him out of the sport, I'm
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fine with it. I think it's the reaction that everybody,
this is preposterous. Not having a CEO of college football
is preposterous. And I've said that for since we've been
working together. That has been one of my College football
is like boxing when Don King and Bob Aaron Ram
ran it. It was just like every every fight, you're like,
(22:28):
how come this guy doesn't fight that guy? A million
different divisions, WBOWBC, WBA, college football is somebody said it
this morning in our staff meeting, Martin said, this college
football is like a cash only restaurant. You know, you
never do a big corporate meeting there, You'd never do
a wedding reception there. But if you had a buddy
(22:50):
in town, you'd be like, oh, you got to go
to this cash only restaurant.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
It's old school.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
It's wild, it's fun, it's crazy, it's it's not real corporate.
College football is a bit of a barnyard music. It's
a bit of a mess, but like boxing in its prime,
you can't take your eyes off it, and it's glorious
at its best.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
All right, we could wrap up with a positive college
football story, and that's your guys at USC. We know
they watch the show and listen, and Lincoln Riley has
now created a director of AI role for the football team.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I saw that.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
I love this so essentially, is this some young kid
who's like, Hey, I'm worried about my job. Let me
get AI in the title. You know when I go
to my meeting to ensure that I can work anywhere forever.
Because if you have AI in your job title, you're
in great shape.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
But I know you're starting to use AI more. Is
that accurate? So I'm using it probably excessively.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I was with some dads last night who were like, listen,
I had to upgrade to claude at one hundred dollars
a month because at twenty if you overuse it, They're like,
you can't.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
You're out of usage today. So AIS not going anywhere.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
And I think this is a smart, forward thinking move
by Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I can't wait for college football, as dysfunctional as it is.
I mean, there's been so many changes in the sport.
We now have general managers, nil transfer, portal gambling controversies.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Jmack with the.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
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Speaker 1 (24:30):
Because you know, sometimes we get a little dramatic on
you know, in the media business. I understand people, you
know right now, they don't like Congress. Sometimes the media
rankles people, most people. Jason McIntyre is very critical to
Charles Barkley, but he's kind of bottom line on stuff.
He watched that twenty nine point Spurs lead evaporate, and
(24:53):
here was Barkley's reaction.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
We saw with dumbas basketball team the history of civilization. Wow,
we saw they had a twenty five point league to
eight straight threes like they thought. Again, that was some
of the most mismanaged stupid basketball. Hey, well you foughts
one at nine point leads. The other team has to
(25:18):
help you. The San Antonio Spurs help New York and
will Knicks win this game by doing some of the
stupid ass stuff I've never seen on a bunch of
ball court.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Well, again, they're young, the coach is young. Some of
it predictable. I mean, we knew the New York Knicks
were the best net rating first fourth quarter basketball team
in league history. That's true since they've been tracking net rating,
the Knicks are the best fourth quarter team.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Well, when you can.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Join that with the Spurs are the youngest team in
fifty years. We knew meltdowns were on the horizon, and
you didn't need climate change. We knew there were gonna
be some meltdowns. Young coach, youngest team fifty years. Here
come the profoundly great fourth quarter Knicks.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
So some of this was predictable.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And for the record, one of the reasons I think
the Spurs get out to big leads is they know
that they're like, we don't want to get close. I mean,
I think some of the Spurs anxiety is baked in.
I mean, you look at all that net rating stuff,
so you know this thing that's that's catching everybody off guard.
It's like the Brennan Sorosby story. That can't catch you
off guard. It ain't great. I understand you're bothered. It
(26:28):
can't shock you that we have a gambling controversy in
college sports, all right, Like Nick's best fourth quarter team ever,
veterans Nova guys, veteran coach against the new kids on
the block.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, it was not gonna be.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
That's why for San Antonio, you last night is so
hurtful and painful, because that is what you gotta have.
You gotta have an eight nine point lead. They have
just made so many mistakes. Frank Isola talked about this
earlier on the OG Tipin to win It.
Speaker 10 (27:04):
Jalen takes the shot misses. It turns out to be
the perfect miss because here comes o Jananoby flying down
the middle of the lane, going untouched. If somebody was
guarding him on the inbounds pass, and at least you
could have prevented him, even for a split second, from
having an open path to the basket, that could be
the difference between winning and losing. So these losses for
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the Spurs have been absolutely brutal. The Knicks to me
come across as the smarter team in those winning moments,
making the plays, and that's the difference.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, it's I mean, the next we're a third seed
in the East, right like that Warriors team that beat
I keep comparing this next team to the last Warriors
team that won a title. That Warrior team was third
in the West. We never thought the Knicks were the
best team in the league at any point this season.
We never thought those Warriors were the best team in
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the league at any point that season. The younger, more talented,
twitchy or Celtics had him where they wanted them, and
they went back home and choked like a cat and
a hairball just dagged it away. That's what the Celtics did.
Then they come back eventually and the young guys Tatum
and Brown, they get their title. The Spurs are eventually
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like those Celtics gonna get their title. But and they've
got the twitchy, the athleticism, the youthfulness. They're hoppy, they're springing.
So it reminds me very much. You remember that series.
We thought the Warriors, we were surprised they got to
the finals. You can't trust Andrew Wiggins, and all of
a sudden, Wiggins had a couple of huge games for
the Warriors. Who're like, I guess you can trust Andrew Wiggins.
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By the way, from that point forward, you never could,
right and so like, and that's been cat in the story.
A third seed in the really awful East. You're like, yeh,
they're shere, Lucky Halliburton's not around. Oh boy, Tatum missing
some time, and then all of a sudden, you watch him.
They're struggling against Atlanta and you're like, they're bad. Atlanta
was sub five hundred March. Then they make a tweak
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and another former timber wolf Cat who's always been kind
of flaky and not dependable, but talented like Wiggins, pops.
So it's very much that Warriors team where we never
thought they were the best team, but they had a
great run in a great series. And for the record,
that Warrior team got lucky. Jamal Murray got hurt for Denver,
John Morant got hurt for Memphis. Remember that title run.
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They kept getting breaks, people were injured, and let's be honest,
Jason Tatum can't show up for a game for the Celtics.
Embiid only plays a couple of games in the series.
You know, Cleveland melted with Harden. What a shocker. So
you know that they're similar, not great teams. I just
think when the Knicks went on that prodigious thirteen game
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winning streak, we're like, WHOA, is this an all time
great team.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
They're not. You've seen it.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
They fall behind in every first quarter, they trail late
in every game. But to Frank's point, Jason's point, everybody's point.
You're seeing why experience matters, like you're just seeing, You're
seeing san Antonio just melt and like last night, whoever
you're rooting for, I find it hard to root for
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people that don't live up to expectations. I mean, we've
all met somebody in our life that we really like
and they're really talented, and you're like, God, if they
just were focused, they just like worked a little harder.
And it's like with san Antonio, they drive me crazy.
The Knicks never drive me. I'm not in love with
the Knicks, but like I feel like they kind of
squeeze all the juice out of the team. I feel
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like the Knicks they get, they get, they fill that
glass with all the juice, all everything they got, you get.
It doesn't mean everybody plays great, but they situationally, they
win the games they should win. If they lose, they're
not as good. San Antonio drives your nuts. You're like, dude,
you can't keep showing up late for work. You know,
(30:53):
dog gate, the homework's not going to work. You use
that last Wednesday like san Antonio in the second half
last night was impossible.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
To root for, So Colin, is it because they're not
putting in the workers?
Speaker 4 (31:03):
It just simply they're two young kids. They're yell kids.
So let me ask you about this.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
I know Berkley's analysis was harsh, whatever kind of accurate.
If Dearon Fox doesn't go for the layup and he
merely doesn't, they win.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
They get And what's the take today? Oh, the the
take is you guys, almost blue?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Almost blue?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It okay, twenty nine point lead. The coaching was terrible.
How did it get that close? I mean, I wouldn't
be coming out today going the Spurs are dominant.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
But they would be.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
They would be two to two headed home for Game five,
That's right. And I mean, like my take would be,
these are really good teams, they're not great. It's a
wildly fun series. Yeah, if de Aaron Fox on this
play just goes out, it's just a U turn.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
He just burns three more seconds. That probably makes two
free throws. But yeah, I can't get over the Wemby stuff.
Speaker 10 (31:49):
Man.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
By the way, a fun stat from the Knicks. I
just saw this.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
So do you want to guess how many minutes Alvarado
and Brunson played in the playoffs this season.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Before last night, that's a I don't think much zero.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
They had never been on the court together, and now
they played down the stretch because they needed someone to
take the ball up the court because Brunson's just getting
harassed by Castle and Brunson was wearing down and he
had a good night shooting, and Alvarado took some pressure
off Brontson.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
A smart move by Mike Brown. Well, and he was
crossing the coaching again. Mike Brown tweaked cat. Mike Brown
tweaks the roster. This is why they hired Mike Brown.
He was seen as a collaborator and a listener. Right,
you get fired a few times, you end up being
a very good listener, even if you're not naturally, you know,
organically a great listener. I don't know Mike well enough
to know, but one of the things we've seen with
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Brown is, you know, there's not caps and ceilings and
borders like he is coaching minute to minute in this series.
That's what Mike's doing, and that that's actually hard to do.
You got money, your experience, you got a good team,
you're a favorite. Now it's all of a sudden, like, guys,
we're gonna We're gonna roll the dice. I may get
ripped for this. It's a credit to Mike Brown. Mike
(32:57):
Brown has had a He's had a very good postseason
from the Atlanta series on Mike Brown deserves a lot
of credit. Mexico, South Africa next on Fox The World.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
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