July 13, 2026 • 29 mins
Hall of Famer Derek Jeter joins the show to talk about the Yankees contending in the AL despite injuries to Aaron Judge & why ABS has improved baseball.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio All.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Star Game coming up Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Jacob Mizerowski for Milwaukee clock this year throwing one oh
five point five, which is not an oldiest station in
Las Vegas. It's it's how fast the ball was going.
He's not playing the All Star Game. That is frickin' gas.
I can remember it being a kid. My favorite team
in the seventies was Don Gullet and the Cincinnati Reds,
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and they had a staff of a bunch of breaking
ball pitchers and Clay Carroll and Fred Norman and Jack
Billingham and j Maxwell in his eyes, but they had
a guy named Don Gullet. Don Gullett through ninety five
that was gas. Everybody throws like ninety three now like
everybody throws ninety three?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
What old five?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I went and sat in a batting cage once and
I cranked it up to eighty, and I was fouling
stuff off and I felt so alpha. I honestly felt
like Greg Lozinski or Mike Schmidt. I was like Dave Parker.
I was like, man, I just missed that poppy. I
was gonna pull that thing into left field one old five,
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So that would be thirty five miles an hour faster
than the eighty miles an hour I fast. I faced
in a batting cage, and I knew where that ball
was going, and.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
It made me nervous. One old fa.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
You know, I was a I was a played little league.
I had a pretty good slitty, but not one oh five.
Not one oh five. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, no, no, the news. This is the headline news,
poor seamer.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know, ho a slitty gullet? What are we doing?
I don't even know what these words mean.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
When I hear gullet, I think of that karate chop
and wrestling back in the day. You just karate chop
someone in the neck down.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
But yeah, anyways, let's go to the World.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Cup Colins Spain versus France. This one is tomorrow on
Fox and La min Na Mal talking a little trash.
Maybe if France should fear anyone. It's us now. A
lot of this has to do with Spain beating France
in their last two meetings, and we've been talking about
this for the record. This is with a full strength
or nearly full strength France featuring Ambappe.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Well and again, Spain style, heavy on possession is the
way to beat France. It doesn't guarantee anything. You've got
to play a little keep away from Then you have
to have the technical skill in the athleticism and speed
to play a little keep away from France. Spain couldn't
do it, but everybody knows that's the way to beat France.
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It hasn't help so far.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
It's interesting.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
This is your classic NFL battle offense versus defense, right,
and usually people like to bet offense. Colin I saw
one stat of the bets are on France and the
line is not moving.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
What does that tell you, my friend?
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I think we could see an upset here, and.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Really it's win win for everybody.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
You get bape Olise dem Bell or you get Lamina
mal who yeah, kind of.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I don't want to say he's been underwoman because he's
a teenager.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
He's eighteen.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I think I think he just turned nineteen, maybe today
or yesterday, whatever it was. But I need to see
a little more from the young fellow. Okay, if you're
called one of the best players in the world, I
need to see a little more. This could be the
game he takes over. I think I'm picking Spain in
this one.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Colin.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, he hasn't been bad. We're just waiting for him to.
You know, Messi's been so good and Cain and Bellingham
have been so good, like there's a certain bar.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
It's not like he's been bad.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, it's not like he's been.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Christian poolisic okay against Belgimo. We're not talk at that
level bad. Sorry, Christian, I just had to speak some facts, all.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Right, Colin.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Let's move on to the next story. And that's NBA's
Summer League. And no, normally I would be so jazzed
for the summer League, but it's a World Cup summer Now.
You may have missed this Friday, but Caleb Wilson went
head to head oh with mister Booser and again remember.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
This happened in college.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Wilson got the better of him.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Killer.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Wilson dropped thirty five points, a record for his summer
league debut for a rookie, he hit seven threes.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Now, he didn't shoot a lot of threes in college,
so you know, college is run by the coach. NBA's
run by the players, So you know that wasn't North
Carolina's offense. I'm not gonna but he came out chucking
threes right out of the shoot so he wanted to
make an impression. Let me tell you something. He hit
seven threes in his entire college career. He hit seven
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in that game. I got Bulls season tickets. The boys
over here to get a few nights.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Try to get in on that action. I'll just say this, Colin.
He is a guy who remembers, you know, Tom Brady
remembers all the quarterbacks taken ahead of him. Caleb Wilson
multiple times has talked about, Hey, I went against Darren
Peterson and everybody thought he was the best player, who.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Was the best player on the court that night.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
And that was back in college, and the same thing
happens against Boozer. I'm just Caleb Wilson is that guy
looks like he's the man. I know he's not gonna
hit seven threes every night in the NBA. But you
have good reason to be excited. Boy, Chicago White Sox
are playing good ball.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I'm er.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I'm told the Bears were in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I told you, I am good luck. Clippers stunk.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I moved to La McVeigh Rams, Chargers move up the interstate.
Dodgers are the greatest baseball franchise of all time almost.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
So it's wow.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I did not know this is like a real thing.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
No, I was Calvert.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Every city I've moved to, teams get better.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
True.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Wow, he's just casually dry.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
When I was in Portland, the Blazers were like facing
the Lakers in the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
They have done zippos?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Is that what the jail Blazers were seen? Wallace and
those guys.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, yeah, it was fun to cover. It was wild,
I bet yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
All right, final story, Kyle, Let's go to the NBA
and Joe Missoula.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
He is kind of it sounds like he's.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Mourning the loss of Jalen Brown, saying there needs to
be a grieving process for losing a player and person
like Jalen Brown.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Missoula.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
I think he said it right, Like, listen.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
I know Boston fans are hurt In the long run,
I think they're going to be fine, but right now
it's still a little bit of shock. I personally think
that the Celtics know, hey, we're going to be just fine,
but it stinks to lose a guy in the community
like Brown.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Again, maybe the Celtics made a big mistake. There have
been teams smart teams. The Clippers have really smart people
in the front office. They let Sga go, and Sga
is a tremendous human. He's a tremendous athlete.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So, like you know, James Harden left Oklahoma City and
ended up being a superstar. That didn't get a ton
for him. Like, smart people make mistakes. It's okay, it
happens in sports. J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Do you know the only player to win an All
Star Game MVP and the World Series MVP in the
same season, it's our guest of the many remarkable numbers
of his career. Hall of Famer Derek Jeter, now with
Fox Sports, is joining us in the Herd. We're lucky
to get him. I got a couple questions for you.
First of all, I told you this last time I
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saw you. The craziest number of your career isn't all
the gold gloves and the World Series stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It's that you hit four hundred and eighty one in
the All Star Game, which is like a Beer League number.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
It's insane.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
A lot of good fortune, a lot of Hold on
a minute before we get started, I just want to
remind you, well, first of all, you just said smart
people make mistakes. Last time I was on your show,
you asked me about facing Nolan Ryan. So let's just
hope you got your fact straight this time. But the
All Star Game, hey, let me.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Tell you what.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
There's a lot of luck that's in there, but nothing
better than playing in the All Star Game. And obviously
I was fortunate to have some success, but you just
enjoy This is a celebration of the game, celebration of
the sport. It's a great atmosphere here with Baseball's done
over these few days, moving the draft here, just a
celebration of the game.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So I absolutely love being here.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So I got to ask you, Jacob Mizerowski's not playing.
He's banged up for Milwaukee. He threw one oh five
point five. Now I know you never stepped into the
batter's box and we're overwhelmed by a pitcher. But one
oh five, I mean, ninety six is heat. One oh
five is cartoonish. Take me back to your career. Were
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there pitchers, Derek that you really even in the on
deck circle you'd face them before, but you do feel like, man,
I'm going to get one good.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Pitch here, I got to get around on it.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I mean, I don't know who it would be in
their prime, but did you ever face somebody that threw
so hard that even you would get in that box
and know, man, I have got to be zoned in
on every pitch.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Yeah, I think you know, when you start talking about
guys like Randy Johnson six foot eight, I mean he's
halfway to home when he releases the ball.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So I don't really know how hard Randy was throwing,
but you.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Got to get the foot down, man, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez.
When are you're facing the elite pitchers, you literally have
one pitch to do any have any kind of success.
So yeah, I mean one oh five, it's it's hard
to imagine, you know, I don't know how they're recording
the miles per hour nowadays. But yeah, I mean, that's
that's that's something that you know, you don't have much
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time obviously when you're facing anyone but one oh five.
You look for one pitch and hopefully you get it.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Okay, you're ninety eight Yankees, won one hundred and fourteen games,
and then you flew through the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
You were eleven and two.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
See, I know my home, I got my homework here,
I got like this, all these numbers in my head.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Caut yourself on the back till we finished, but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So that's that's the you know, in terms of you
know numbers, that's the best team ever. This Dodger team
is stacked. They just got swept by the d Backs.
So when you're on a great team, you're gonna overwhelm
a lot of people that starting pitching on the Yankees,
when you were on a team like the Dodgers or
your Yankees. Dodgers just back to back World Series, Apathy,
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it's a long season. You're going to here, here's another
road trip to Minnesota, here's another row.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Go back to that season with you.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Was there ever a moment where you went into a
series thinking I got to get myself up we just
swept those guys the last time we plan. Can there
be apathy that settles in during the long regular season?
Speaker 6 (10:28):
I tell you what you're talking about nineteen ninety eight, specifically,
that group there had we had just lost in nineteen
ninety seven, so we were hungry to get back to
the World Series. So in that particular season, we didn't
really have to sit down and rally the troops. I mean,
we were out to win every single day. I have
never been a part of a group that had that
mindset going into every single day. And you know, we
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struggled a little bit. I mean half jokingly, but we
struggled towards the end of the year. I mean, we
could have literally won about one hundred and thirty hundred
and thirty five games that year, that's how.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Dominant we were.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
But when you're talking about the Dodgers and a team
that's going for their third straight World Series, Look, the
regular season is it's a marathon, and there are times
throughout the course of the year you got to try
to block out just getting to the postseason, because you know,
everyone knows that's when the season starts.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
You look at the.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Dodgers now, they have such a big lead, so it
is hard. It gets more difficult getting up for every
game and every series. But they've done it as good
as anyone.
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Speaker 1 (12:04):
You know I've defended baseball. I keep saying the Rays
lead the American League.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Eese. They're a small market.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
The White Sox small payroll have been great this year Milwaukee.
For several years, smaller payroll been very viable.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
The Mets stink.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
So my take is money matters, but it's just like
in our life. Money matters, but what do you do
with it? Do you spend it? Do you invest? Your
smile and they're the Mets do kind of stink. I
know you're a broadcaster now, but it's not great, Jeric.
But the point is I think we talk too much
about money in baseball. The Dodgers really honestly needed two
or three miracles to win Game seven. I mean, Toronto
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out played them and out hit them in the series.
I think we talk too much about payroll disparity.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Does it matter? Are Is it overstated?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Well?
Speaker 6 (12:52):
You know, look, I don't think it's overstated. I do
believe if you are spending money and you've a high payroll,
for the most part, it assures that you're going to
be competitive and you're going to be.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
In a playoff race.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Yeah, there's instances where you have guys are teams that
spend a lot of money that just have one.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Of those years.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
But I think it assures that you're going to be
in the pennant race. What it does not assure you
is that you're going to win a championship. It is
hard to win a championship. You have to go through
several rounds of the playoffs, and when you get that.
I used to say it during my career, the hottest team,
I mean, the best teams make it to the postseason.
The hottest team wins. You have to get hot at
the right time. And yes, you need a lot of
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breaks too. I mean, but there's a reason why the Dodgers,
year in and year out, have that chance to win
a championship, and it's because their owner spends money.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I always thought part of the greatness of Joe Tory
is that he was a players manager. But I always
compared him to the step dad, your dad you never
wanted to disappoint.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Is that so much of his greatness.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Was the ability to connect star players and the pressure
you go through in New York. So the culture that
Tory created was as important as the great players like
yourself and I want to talk about the Mets. It's
not a talent. I mean, Lindor has been hurt. I know,
I'll beat up on them. I'm taking shots I shouldn't,
but it does feel like there's a cultural thing missing.
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It's not money, it's they want to win. They've had
smart people. There there's something in the in the soup,
in the juice or something. What is it that they
have this kind of talent and they struggle.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
You know, I'm not exactly sure about that. I mean,
the Mets were just in the NLCS a couple of
years ago, so it's not like they've fallen off a cliff.
For the last twenty years. They've been very, very competitive.
This particular year, I mean, it's mind boggling. I mean,
they've they've gone out, they've spent money. It just seems
like a lot of times, when one person struggles, everyone struggles.
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When one person gets hot, everyone gets hot, and it
seems like, you know, you know, the Mets, they've they've
changed a little bit of their culture there. You know,
you got rid of Alonso and Nimo, and you know,
they brought some new guys in. Sometimes it takes little
time for guys to adjust. But I don't know enough
about the inner workings of the New York Mets to
comment on it. But it is a bit surprising because
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I know there is a lot of high optimism going
into spring training. People thought the Mets were going to
be in it to to, you know, challenge the Dodgers
and get to the World Series, but it just hasn't
gone that direction.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So when an Aaron Judge gets banged up, Ben Rice
steps up and puts up huge numbers. The Dartmouth kid.
It's you know, I remember watching Ben Rice. Are we
surprised or was this understood in the Yankees ecosystem that
Ben Rice was going to end up being this?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
You never want to put ceilings on guys when they're
playing and when they're coming up, but I think, you know,
the adjustments that he's been able to make this year
and the production that he's had offensively, I think it's
probably caught a few people off guard. But he's he's
in the conversation for the most valuable player in the
American League up until this point, and what he's been
able to do even when Aaron's been out has been
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pretty impressive. I mean, yeah, he went through a little
time where he struggled, but that happens to every player
over one hundred and sixty two games. But he's fun
to watch. He continues to get better and better. And
you know the thing I like to watch is he's
having fun and he's got a smile on his face.
He's enjoying himself hit another triple. I think it was yesterday.
But he's a big reason why the Yankees. Yeah, I
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know they were scuffling a little bit, but he's a
big reason why I still believe the Yankees are the
favorite in the American League.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay, this ABS system, I have said for years now,
Rob Manfred can take some crap on this stuff, Derek,
but he has made four or five adjustments.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
They've all worked. They're all great.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I thought the ABS would get a little bit of
pushback and it would be what it's done. It's unveiled
the truth. And you know, it also shows me how
well the batters know the plate. It's remarkable how often
they do this.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And within an inch, and they're right.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
If you would have had this did would you do
you have used it a lot? Or did you always
feel like, yeah, the alms are pretty good. They know
what they're doing. It's interesting.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
I you know, when I was playing, I felt as
though I knew the outside corner as well as anyone.
The inside corner would confuse me a little bit because
sometimes I'd lean out there. But I think you know,
there's times throughout the season when you're seeing the ball
well extremely well, and you know what a strike is,
and there's other times when you're scuffling a little bit
you have no idea. So we've seen guys challenge pitches
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and pitches have been right down the middle. You've also
seen guys that have that have been successful, like by
an eighth of an inch. So I love it. I
think the fans love it. I think it makes uh,
you know, it's sort of bringing that type of tennis
atmosphere into the game.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Where they showed on the scoreboard.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
So, like you said, there's been some changes in the
game that I think the fans really appreciate and and look,
if it's going to bring more fans to the sport,
then I'm all for it. But ABS has been a
huge success.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah. I went to a Cubs game not long ago,
and I got to tell you, the fans are into it.
It's like an at ellen's a little bit of a
game show within the game, and I just think.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
It's great and also shows you who knows the strike zone.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
It absolutely does. Okay, it's pretty good today. I gotta
admit it, Derek. I maybe not work at four to
seventy in the All Star Game.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
That was pretty strong.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
I appreciate well, four eighty is what you said? Did
you say four eighty? We started this?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Oh for eighty one?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, see you screwed it up. There you go. You
spoke too soon. There you go. Great team, Colin gre you.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Know the outside part of the plate and your All
Star number.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Excellent work. Could see anybody you too, See you soon,
all right.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
The great Derek Jeter stopped by the show today is ridiculous.
Four He was thirteen for twenty seven. And that's facing,
by the way, aces that you don't face normally.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
You're getting.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
You're getting Randy Johnson's stuff. You watch Randy Johnson highlights
the never faced these guys. That's an insane number. I
have like a list of his career stats. I mean
he's like six most hit, it's all time. Mean, they're
all great. Four eighty one All Star Game average and
a lot of times the.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
If I recall a lot of times you'd play in stadiums,
you know it's Derek Jeters one of the first guys
up leadoff. Got you're getting shadows that first at bat
in the All Star Game. Early you may have shadows
in the stadium. You're not seeing it. Bringing my a
game today, all right, unbelievable. I could a buddy given
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me crab about Jeter. He's got a good memory for
certain things. I don't all. I don't love all the memories,
but it is very good memory.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
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Speaker 3 (19:47):
Man, you know I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
NFL executives came out with the top ten quarterbacks in
the league. This was Scouts executive coaches. So this is
a thorough opinion piece, you know, anonymously, but they know
for our radio audience, I'll just give you it's only
only two of the ten have won a Super Bowl.
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So you and I, you know, fans will say, well,
they didn't win a super Bowl. Justin Herbert's never won
a playoff game. Dak Prescott's only won one playoff game.
That's not how general managers look at it. That's the
final result. It's the process, it's the season, it's your traits,
it's your leadership. I think Dak Prescott is on this
list overwhelmingly because of toughness, leadership intelligence. I don't think
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he's on here because he throws the prettiest football. He's
not here because he wins playoff games. I think Justin
Herbert leadership toughness traits makes the list. So it's Allen one,
Mahomes two, Stafford three, Burrow for Lamar five, Dak six,
Justin Herbert, Drake May, Jared Goff, Caleb Williams. I've always
been a golf fan. I don't have big problems. I
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think I think Sam Darnold's got to be in there somewhere.
You know, what is his record thirty thirty nine and
six or thirty six and nine the last, you know,
two seasons. Overall, it's it's hard not to put him
in there, and has had great passer rating numbers. In
terms of analytics, I don't really care. Are you great?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Who?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I always look at quarterbacks this way. Two possessions left,
you gotta score on both of them. Who do I want?
You've got two, but don't have to have two touchdowns.
You gotta score on back to back possessions at least
one touchdown. There's a couple of minutes left, you're gonna
get two possessions. I'm gonna get two great possessions. The
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other team knows you're throwing the football. The other team's
gonna bring a pass rush. You don't get the number one.
This so the number one that you have a you
know you have a good team, you have a good coach.
A couple of possessions left. Can you make big plays?
Alan would be my one, but I you know, I
look at this list right now, I'm not quite sure
what to do with Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
His legs had been a huge part of his career,
and he was slower last year.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Joe Burrow can move.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And he's not making the playoffs, but I still think
he's somewhere in the top seven or eight. Jalen Hurts,
I would not put him in the top ten. If
you cannot see the middle of the field, I'm not
putting you in. I think brock Pertty's talented, brock Perty's got.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
A durability issue. I'm sorry, So you.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Know again, I think Caleb Williams should be higher. I'd
probably moved Drake May down a spot or two. I
think Sam Darnold's got to be in your top ten.
But if you ask players inside the NFL. So this
survey didn't have players. It had coaches, GM, scouts, executives,
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it didn't have players. Christian McCaffrey, who played with Sam
Donald earlier, had talked about, you know, the first couple
of practices with.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
Donald, when I first met him in Carolina, from the jump,
I was like, this guy's a dude. And the more
and more you see him at practice that you see
the throws to make you understand why he's a top
pick in the draft. And then you're around him more
and you're like, this is one of the best players
I've been around, period, And it's because of how talent, talent,
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how talented his arm is. He's he's way more athletic
than people give him credit for. And he's really good
at taking what's given to him and doing his job.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
So I'm just I'm writing down now. If you told
me and I would consider everything. I would consider your traits,
your ability late in games.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Are you durable? Do I trust you with the football?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
You know?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
That was always the knock on Sam Darnald, like a
little bit reckless. I loved Andrew Luck he was reckless.
Tom Brady threw a pick six on a Super Bowl.
I don't like safe quarterbacks. One of the things that
Darnald does yards per I think he's first or second
in the NFL the last several years. There is no
dink and dunk to Sam Donald. He is like Andrew
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Luck to a fault. He will throw it in traffic,
he'll throw it downfield. Donald has some stinkers, There's no
question about it. And you could say, well, well, Donald's
had the last couple of years. Kevin O'Connell, Clint Kubiak.
Tell me the great quarterback all time that didn't have
a smart guy pulling the trigger in coaching. I mean,
Dan Fouts had Eric Coriel, Joe Montana had Bill Walsh,
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Belichick and Brady Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, Don Shulet,
Dan Marino Shanahan and Elway Staubach and Tom Landry. Find
me the great quarterbacks with lousy coaches. Give me a break.
Sam Donald had back to back years that were amazing
with Kevin O'Connell and Mike McDonald. Mike McDonald's a defensive guy,
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young guy, and Donald tore it up. So yeah, I
just don't think the league quite knows what to do
with Sam I'm not saying Sam's top three quarterback in
the league, top ten right now, He's in his prime.
Remember he entered the league very young. Sam's got about
five more years of prime. He's a In fact, I
don't have the numbers in front of me. I think
he's younger than a lot of guys on this list.
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You wouldn't think he is, but he is because the
Jets thing, you know, it seemed like it was a
decade dying in New York under that mess of a franchise,
that gray cloud that reigns every day of the year.
But I guess it says here on this list it's
like pretty received votes or something, honorable mention, whatever. So
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I got my list tomorrow. Here, I got my list.
I'll give it to you here, Ryan the You know
what's refreshing about Alexi Lawless and he does like to
poke people in the ribs, which you know, I'm not
against that, but I will say it's interesting to watch.
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I mean, Stu Holden played the game, Alexi Laalis Lawless
played the game, Carl Lloyd played the game. These people
played the game and they were critical of Polistic.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
It's always easy to.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Go, well, Colin, you didn't play the game and that's
kind of a week out. But whatever. There is some
value obviously in playing the game. But are American players
who have not been as maybe great as Polisic overseas?
You know, they were critical of him, and it's been
interesting to watch the pushback by people on our American players.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I don't read my.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Stuff, so I don't know what people are saying, but
I know on players people have been critical of, like
Alexi or Stu Holden or carly Well. People don't understand
the pressure. And my take is it's every four years,
you got to be good in the World Cup, you know,
for years and years. A Rod can get criticism if
he struggles hitting in the playoffs. Barry Bonds early in
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his career may have a bad playoff series. That's the
reality of baseball players.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
One of the great things about Derek Jeter, you know,
his career average and his playoff average were almost the
same thing. You got the same Jeter every day with
a Rod. He had some series in the postseason where
it's like WHOA A double? A guy at the play
he's all in his head, he's not hitting well, he
gets dropped in the order. Not that He's not great,
but that is how we judge our athletes. I mean,
the reason Michael Jordan is a legend is six for six.
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If Michael was seven for twelve, he wouldn't have the
same legend being six for six. Seriously, Magic Johnson got
the nine finals. Jordan, though, was perfect. Magic got the
thirty percent more finals. Apparently that has no value. So Polisic,
you know, your soccer stars can have a bad Kopa,
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they can have a bad you know, club team season.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
They can't be bad in the World Cup.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Here was Alexi earlier on Pulisic coming off a disappointing.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Cup.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Christian Pililsic is going to be fine.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
He was put out there and put himself out there
as the face of this national team. I think he
is still well on his way to becoming possibly the
best American male.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Soccer player ever.
Speaker 9 (28:00):
But the reality is is that in the most important moment,
justin not just in a World Cup, but in a
home World Cup.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
He didn't show up.
Speaker 9 (28:07):
For a lot of people, it affirmed or confirmed what
they feel is that he is at times week and
we can body, we can mind, and that manifested during
this during this World Cup.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, I don't think that's outrageous. He was timid, he
was giving up possessions too quickly. It was weird, you're
at home. It's a pickham Balligan was back. You know,
I don't think I think I have a pretty good
thermometer on like when the media is totally unfair or
too soft or too and I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
It wasn't vicious.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
It was like, bro, nine of these World Cup matches
for you either can't play or you leave early. And
I got one goal in two World Cups and you're
our best playmaker.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Ever, I don't think that's harsh.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
No, he did get banged up, and I'm not going
to guess on injuries and severity of injuries. I'm not
going to go there. But before the injury we were disappointed.
It wasn't post injury. It was before the injury. We
were disappointed with the outcome of his Cup performance. So
I thought all of it was fair little hard maybe,
but I mean it's the World Cup. You ever read
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the Guardian or the London Sun.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Or the whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I mean, you read these international headlines and papers. They
are vicious, they are brutal. Our media is not our
soccer media is a lot like our NBA media. They're
kind of player friendly on average, not always, but on
average i'd say pretty player friendly. NFL media college football
media much rougher on the players
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Star Game coming up Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Jacob Mizerowski for Milwaukee clock this year throwing one oh
five point five, which is not an oldiest station in
Las Vegas. It's it's how fast the ball was going.
He's not playing the All Star Game. That is frickin' gas.
I can remember it being a kid. My favorite team
in the seventies was Don Gullet and the Cincinnati Reds,
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and they had a staff of a bunch of breaking
ball pitchers and Clay Carroll and Fred Norman and Jack
Billingham and j Maxwell in his eyes, but they had
a guy named Don Gullet. Don Gullett through ninety five
that was gas. Everybody throws like ninety three now like
everybody throws ninety three?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
What old five?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I went and sat in a batting cage once and
I cranked it up to eighty, and I was fouling
stuff off and I felt so alpha. I honestly felt
like Greg Lozinski or Mike Schmidt. I was like Dave Parker.
I was like, man, I just missed that poppy. I
was gonna pull that thing into left field one old five,
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So that would be thirty five miles an hour faster
than the eighty miles an hour I fast. I faced
in a batting cage, and I knew where that ball
was going, and.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
It made me nervous. One old fa.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
You know, I was a I was a played little league.
I had a pretty good slitty, but not one oh five.
Not one oh five. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, no, no, the news. This is the headline news,
poor seamer.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know, ho a slitty gullet? What are we doing?
I don't even know what these words mean.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
When I hear gullet, I think of that karate chop
and wrestling back in the day. You just karate chop
someone in the neck down.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
But yeah, anyways, let's go to the World.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Cup Colins Spain versus France. This one is tomorrow on
Fox and La min Na Mal talking a little trash.
Maybe if France should fear anyone. It's us now. A
lot of this has to do with Spain beating France
in their last two meetings, and we've been talking about
this for the record. This is with a full strength
or nearly full strength France featuring Ambappe.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Well and again, Spain style, heavy on possession is the
way to beat France. It doesn't guarantee anything. You've got
to play a little keep away from Then you have
to have the technical skill in the athleticism and speed
to play a little keep away from France. Spain couldn't
do it, but everybody knows that's the way to beat France.
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It hasn't help so far.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
It's interesting.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
This is your classic NFL battle offense versus defense, right,
and usually people like to bet offense. Colin I saw
one stat of the bets are on France and the
line is not moving.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
What does that tell you, my friend?
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I think we could see an upset here, and.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Really it's win win for everybody.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
You get bape Olise dem Bell or you get Lamina
mal who yeah, kind of.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I don't want to say he's been underwoman because he's
a teenager.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
He's eighteen.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I think I think he just turned nineteen, maybe today
or yesterday, whatever it was. But I need to see
a little more from the young fellow. Okay, if you're
called one of the best players in the world, I
need to see a little more. This could be the
game he takes over. I think I'm picking Spain in
this one.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Colin.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, he hasn't been bad. We're just waiting for him to.
You know, Messi's been so good and Cain and Bellingham
have been so good, like there's a certain bar.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
It's not like he's been bad.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, it's not like he's been.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Christian poolisic okay against Belgimo. We're not talk at that
level bad. Sorry, Christian, I just had to speak some facts, all.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Right, Colin.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Let's move on to the next story. And that's NBA's
Summer League. And no, normally I would be so jazzed
for the summer League, but it's a World Cup summer Now.
You may have missed this Friday, but Caleb Wilson went
head to head oh with mister Booser and again remember.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
This happened in college.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Wilson got the better of him.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Killer.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Wilson dropped thirty five points, a record for his summer
league debut for a rookie, he hit seven threes.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Now, he didn't shoot a lot of threes in college,
so you know, college is run by the coach. NBA's
run by the players, So you know that wasn't North
Carolina's offense. I'm not gonna but he came out chucking
threes right out of the shoot so he wanted to
make an impression. Let me tell you something. He hit
seven threes in his entire college career. He hit seven
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in that game. I got Bulls season tickets. The boys
over here to get a few nights.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Try to get in on that action. I'll just say this, Colin.
He is a guy who remembers, you know, Tom Brady
remembers all the quarterbacks taken ahead of him. Caleb Wilson
multiple times has talked about, Hey, I went against Darren
Peterson and everybody thought he was the best player, who.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Was the best player on the court that night.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
And that was back in college, and the same thing
happens against Boozer. I'm just Caleb Wilson is that guy
looks like he's the man. I know he's not gonna
hit seven threes every night in the NBA. But you
have good reason to be excited. Boy, Chicago White Sox
are playing good ball.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I'm er.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I'm told the Bears were in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I told you, I am good luck. Clippers stunk.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I moved to La McVeigh Rams, Chargers move up the interstate.
Dodgers are the greatest baseball franchise of all time almost.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
So it's wow.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I did not know this is like a real thing.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
No, I was Calvert.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Every city I've moved to, teams get better.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
True.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Wow, he's just casually dry.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
When I was in Portland, the Blazers were like facing
the Lakers in the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
They have done zippos?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Is that what the jail Blazers were seen? Wallace and
those guys.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, yeah, it was fun to cover. It was wild,
I bet yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
All right, final story, Kyle, Let's go to the NBA
and Joe Missoula.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
He is kind of it sounds like he's.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Mourning the loss of Jalen Brown, saying there needs to
be a grieving process for losing a player and person
like Jalen Brown.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Missoula.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
I think he said it right, Like, listen.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
I know Boston fans are hurt In the long run,
I think they're going to be fine, but right now
it's still a little bit of shock. I personally think
that the Celtics know, hey, we're going to be just fine,
but it stinks to lose a guy in the community
like Brown.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Again, maybe the Celtics made a big mistake. There have
been teams smart teams. The Clippers have really smart people
in the front office. They let Sga go, and Sga
is a tremendous human. He's a tremendous athlete.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So, like you know, James Harden left Oklahoma City and
ended up being a superstar. That didn't get a ton
for him. Like, smart people make mistakes. It's okay, it
happens in sports. J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Do you know the only player to win an All
Star Game MVP and the World Series MVP in the
same season, it's our guest of the many remarkable numbers
of his career. Hall of Famer Derek Jeter, now with
Fox Sports, is joining us in the Herd. We're lucky
to get him. I got a couple questions for you.
First of all, I told you this last time I
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saw you. The craziest number of your career isn't all
the gold gloves and the World Series stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It's that you hit four hundred and eighty one in
the All Star Game, which is like a Beer League number.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
It's insane.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
A lot of good fortune, a lot of Hold on
a minute before we get started, I just want to
remind you, well, first of all, you just said smart
people make mistakes. Last time I was on your show,
you asked me about facing Nolan Ryan. So let's just
hope you got your fact straight this time. But the
All Star Game, hey, let me.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Tell you what.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
There's a lot of luck that's in there, but nothing
better than playing in the All Star Game. And obviously
I was fortunate to have some success, but you just
enjoy This is a celebration of the game, celebration of
the sport. It's a great atmosphere here with Baseball's done
over these few days, moving the draft here, just a
celebration of the game.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So I absolutely love being here.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So I got to ask you, Jacob Mizerowski's not playing.
He's banged up for Milwaukee. He threw one oh five
point five. Now I know you never stepped into the
batter's box and we're overwhelmed by a pitcher. But one
oh five, I mean, ninety six is heat. One oh
five is cartoonish. Take me back to your career. Were
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there pitchers, Derek that you really even in the on
deck circle you'd face them before, but you do feel like, man,
I'm going to get one good.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Pitch here, I got to get around on it.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I mean, I don't know who it would be in
their prime, but did you ever face somebody that threw
so hard that even you would get in that box
and know, man, I have got to be zoned in
on every pitch.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Yeah, I think you know, when you start talking about
guys like Randy Johnson six foot eight, I mean he's
halfway to home when he releases the ball.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So I don't really know how hard Randy was throwing,
but you.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Got to get the foot down, man, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez.
When are you're facing the elite pitchers, you literally have
one pitch to do any have any kind of success.
So yeah, I mean one oh five, it's it's hard
to imagine, you know, I don't know how they're recording
the miles per hour nowadays. But yeah, I mean, that's
that's that's something that you know, you don't have much
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time obviously when you're facing anyone but one oh five.
You look for one pitch and hopefully you get it.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Okay, you're ninety eight Yankees, won one hundred and fourteen games,
and then you flew through the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
You were eleven and two.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
See, I know my home, I got my homework here,
I got like this, all these numbers in my head.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Caut yourself on the back till we finished, but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So that's that's the you know, in terms of you
know numbers, that's the best team ever. This Dodger team
is stacked. They just got swept by the d Backs.
So when you're on a great team, you're gonna overwhelm
a lot of people that starting pitching on the Yankees,
when you were on a team like the Dodgers or
your Yankees. Dodgers just back to back World Series, Apathy,
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it's a long season. You're going to here, here's another
road trip to Minnesota, here's another row.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Go back to that season with you.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Was there ever a moment where you went into a
series thinking I got to get myself up we just
swept those guys the last time we plan. Can there
be apathy that settles in during the long regular season?
Speaker 6 (10:28):
I tell you what you're talking about nineteen ninety eight, specifically,
that group there had we had just lost in nineteen
ninety seven, so we were hungry to get back to
the World Series. So in that particular season, we didn't
really have to sit down and rally the troops. I mean,
we were out to win every single day. I have
never been a part of a group that had that
mindset going into every single day. And you know, we
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struggled a little bit. I mean half jokingly, but we
struggled towards the end of the year. I mean, we
could have literally won about one hundred and thirty hundred
and thirty five games that year, that's how.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Dominant we were.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
But when you're talking about the Dodgers and a team
that's going for their third straight World Series, Look, the
regular season is it's a marathon, and there are times
throughout the course of the year you got to try
to block out just getting to the postseason, because you know,
everyone knows that's when the season starts.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
You look at the.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Dodgers now, they have such a big lead, so it
is hard. It gets more difficult getting up for every
game and every series. But they've done it as good
as anyone.
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Speaker 1 (12:04):
You know I've defended baseball. I keep saying the Rays
lead the American League.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Eese. They're a small market.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
The White Sox small payroll have been great this year Milwaukee.
For several years, smaller payroll been very viable.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
The Mets stink.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
So my take is money matters, but it's just like
in our life. Money matters, but what do you do
with it? Do you spend it? Do you invest? Your
smile and they're the Mets do kind of stink. I
know you're a broadcaster now, but it's not great, Jeric.
But the point is I think we talk too much
about money in baseball. The Dodgers really honestly needed two
or three miracles to win Game seven. I mean, Toronto
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out played them and out hit them in the series.
I think we talk too much about payroll disparity.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Does it matter? Are Is it overstated?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Well?
Speaker 6 (12:52):
You know, look, I don't think it's overstated. I do
believe if you are spending money and you've a high payroll,
for the most part, it assures that you're going to
be competitive and you're going to be.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
In a playoff race.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Yeah, there's instances where you have guys are teams that
spend a lot of money that just have one.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Of those years.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
But I think it assures that you're going to be
in the pennant race. What it does not assure you
is that you're going to win a championship. It is
hard to win a championship. You have to go through
several rounds of the playoffs, and when you get that.
I used to say it during my career, the hottest team,
I mean, the best teams make it to the postseason.
The hottest team wins. You have to get hot at
the right time. And yes, you need a lot of
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breaks too. I mean, but there's a reason why the Dodgers,
year in and year out, have that chance to win
a championship, and it's because their owner spends money.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I always thought part of the greatness of Joe Tory
is that he was a players manager. But I always
compared him to the step dad, your dad you never
wanted to disappoint.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Is that so much of his greatness.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Was the ability to connect star players and the pressure
you go through in New York. So the culture that
Tory created was as important as the great players like
yourself and I want to talk about the Mets. It's
not a talent. I mean, Lindor has been hurt. I know,
I'll beat up on them. I'm taking shots I shouldn't,
but it does feel like there's a cultural thing missing.
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It's not money, it's they want to win. They've had
smart people. There there's something in the in the soup,
in the juice or something. What is it that they
have this kind of talent and they struggle.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
You know, I'm not exactly sure about that. I mean,
the Mets were just in the NLCS a couple of
years ago, so it's not like they've fallen off a cliff.
For the last twenty years. They've been very, very competitive.
This particular year, I mean, it's mind boggling. I mean,
they've they've gone out, they've spent money. It just seems
like a lot of times, when one person struggles, everyone struggles.
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When one person gets hot, everyone gets hot, and it
seems like, you know, you know, the Mets, they've they've
changed a little bit of their culture there. You know,
you got rid of Alonso and Nimo, and you know,
they brought some new guys in. Sometimes it takes little
time for guys to adjust. But I don't know enough
about the inner workings of the New York Mets to
comment on it. But it is a bit surprising because
(15:09):
I know there is a lot of high optimism going
into spring training. People thought the Mets were going to
be in it to to, you know, challenge the Dodgers
and get to the World Series, but it just hasn't
gone that direction.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So when an Aaron Judge gets banged up, Ben Rice
steps up and puts up huge numbers. The Dartmouth kid.
It's you know, I remember watching Ben Rice. Are we
surprised or was this understood in the Yankees ecosystem that
Ben Rice was going to end up being this?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
You never want to put ceilings on guys when they're
playing and when they're coming up, but I think, you know,
the adjustments that he's been able to make this year
and the production that he's had offensively, I think it's
probably caught a few people off guard. But he's he's
in the conversation for the most valuable player in the
American League up until this point, and what he's been
able to do even when Aaron's been out has been
(16:01):
pretty impressive. I mean, yeah, he went through a little
time where he struggled, but that happens to every player
over one hundred and sixty two games. But he's fun
to watch. He continues to get better and better. And
you know the thing I like to watch is he's
having fun and he's got a smile on his face.
He's enjoying himself hit another triple. I think it was yesterday.
But he's a big reason why the Yankees. Yeah, I
(16:22):
know they were scuffling a little bit, but he's a
big reason why I still believe the Yankees are the
favorite in the American League.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay, this ABS system, I have said for years now,
Rob Manfred can take some crap on this stuff, Derek,
but he has made four or five adjustments.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
They've all worked. They're all great.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I thought the ABS would get a little bit of
pushback and it would be what it's done. It's unveiled
the truth. And you know, it also shows me how
well the batters know the plate. It's remarkable how often
they do this.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And within an inch, and they're right.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
If you would have had this did would you do
you have used it a lot? Or did you always
feel like, yeah, the alms are pretty good. They know
what they're doing. It's interesting.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
I you know, when I was playing, I felt as
though I knew the outside corner as well as anyone.
The inside corner would confuse me a little bit because
sometimes I'd lean out there. But I think you know,
there's times throughout the season when you're seeing the ball
well extremely well, and you know what a strike is,
and there's other times when you're scuffling a little bit
you have no idea. So we've seen guys challenge pitches
(17:29):
and pitches have been right down the middle. You've also
seen guys that have that have been successful, like by
an eighth of an inch. So I love it. I
think the fans love it. I think it makes uh,
you know, it's sort of bringing that type of tennis
atmosphere into the game.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Where they showed on the scoreboard.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
So, like you said, there's been some changes in the
game that I think the fans really appreciate and and look,
if it's going to bring more fans to the sport,
then I'm all for it. But ABS has been a
huge success.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah. I went to a Cubs game not long ago,
and I got to tell you, the fans are into it.
It's like an at ellen's a little bit of a
game show within the game, and I just think.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
It's great and also shows you who knows the strike zone.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
It absolutely does. Okay, it's pretty good today. I gotta
admit it, Derek. I maybe not work at four to
seventy in the All Star Game.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
That was pretty strong.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
I appreciate well, four eighty is what you said? Did
you say four eighty? We started this?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Oh for eighty one?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, see you screwed it up. There you go. You
spoke too soon. There you go. Great team, Colin gre you.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Know the outside part of the plate and your All
Star number.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Excellent work. Could see anybody you too, See you soon,
all right.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
The great Derek Jeter stopped by the show today is ridiculous.
Four He was thirteen for twenty seven. And that's facing,
by the way, aces that you don't face normally.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
You're getting.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
You're getting Randy Johnson's stuff. You watch Randy Johnson highlights
the never faced these guys. That's an insane number. I
have like a list of his career stats. I mean
he's like six most hit, it's all time. Mean, they're
all great. Four eighty one All Star Game average and
a lot of times the.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
If I recall a lot of times you'd play in stadiums,
you know it's Derek Jeters one of the first guys
up leadoff. Got you're getting shadows that first at bat
in the All Star Game. Early you may have shadows
in the stadium. You're not seeing it. Bringing my a
game today, all right, unbelievable. I could a buddy given
(19:28):
me crab about Jeter. He's got a good memory for
certain things. I don't all. I don't love all the memories,
but it is very good memory.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
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Speaker 3 (19:47):
Man, you know I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
NFL executives came out with the top ten quarterbacks in
the league. This was Scouts executive coaches. So this is
a thorough opinion piece, you know, anonymously, but they know
for our radio audience, I'll just give you it's only
only two of the ten have won a Super Bowl.
(20:13):
So you and I, you know, fans will say, well,
they didn't win a super Bowl. Justin Herbert's never won
a playoff game. Dak Prescott's only won one playoff game.
That's not how general managers look at it. That's the
final result. It's the process, it's the season, it's your traits,
it's your leadership. I think Dak Prescott is on this
list overwhelmingly because of toughness, leadership intelligence. I don't think
(20:38):
he's on here because he throws the prettiest football. He's
not here because he wins playoff games. I think Justin
Herbert leadership toughness traits makes the list. So it's Allen one,
Mahomes two, Stafford three, Burrow for Lamar five, Dak six,
Justin Herbert, Drake May, Jared Goff, Caleb Williams. I've always
been a golf fan. I don't have big problems. I
(21:00):
think I think Sam Darnold's got to be in there somewhere.
You know, what is his record thirty thirty nine and
six or thirty six and nine the last, you know,
two seasons. Overall, it's it's hard not to put him
in there, and has had great passer rating numbers. In
terms of analytics, I don't really care. Are you great?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Who?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I always look at quarterbacks this way. Two possessions left,
you gotta score on both of them. Who do I want?
You've got two, but don't have to have two touchdowns.
You gotta score on back to back possessions at least
one touchdown. There's a couple of minutes left, you're gonna
get two possessions. I'm gonna get two great possessions. The
(21:43):
other team knows you're throwing the football. The other team's
gonna bring a pass rush. You don't get the number one.
This so the number one that you have a you
know you have a good team, you have a good coach.
A couple of possessions left. Can you make big plays?
Alan would be my one, but I you know, I
look at this list right now, I'm not quite sure
what to do with Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
His legs had been a huge part of his career,
and he was slower last year.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Joe Burrow can move.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And he's not making the playoffs, but I still think
he's somewhere in the top seven or eight. Jalen Hurts,
I would not put him in the top ten. If
you cannot see the middle of the field, I'm not
putting you in. I think brock Pertty's talented, brock Perty's got.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
A durability issue. I'm sorry, So you.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Know again, I think Caleb Williams should be higher. I'd
probably moved Drake May down a spot or two. I
think Sam Darnold's got to be in your top ten.
But if you ask players inside the NFL. So this
survey didn't have players. It had coaches, GM, scouts, executives,
(22:51):
it didn't have players. Christian McCaffrey, who played with Sam
Donald earlier, had talked about, you know, the first couple
of practices with.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
Donald, when I first met him in Carolina, from the jump,
I was like, this guy's a dude. And the more
and more you see him at practice that you see
the throws to make you understand why he's a top
pick in the draft. And then you're around him more
and you're like, this is one of the best players
I've been around, period, And it's because of how talent, talent,
(23:22):
how talented his arm is. He's he's way more athletic
than people give him credit for. And he's really good
at taking what's given to him and doing his job.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
So I'm just I'm writing down now. If you told
me and I would consider everything. I would consider your traits,
your ability late in games.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Are you durable? Do I trust you with the football?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
You know?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
That was always the knock on Sam Darnald, like a
little bit reckless. I loved Andrew Luck he was reckless.
Tom Brady threw a pick six on a Super Bowl.
I don't like safe quarterbacks. One of the things that
Darnald does yards per I think he's first or second
in the NFL the last several years. There is no
dink and dunk to Sam Donald. He is like Andrew
(24:06):
Luck to a fault. He will throw it in traffic,
he'll throw it downfield. Donald has some stinkers, There's no
question about it. And you could say, well, well, Donald's
had the last couple of years. Kevin O'Connell, Clint Kubiak.
Tell me the great quarterback all time that didn't have
a smart guy pulling the trigger in coaching. I mean,
Dan Fouts had Eric Coriel, Joe Montana had Bill Walsh,
(24:27):
Belichick and Brady Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, Don Shulet,
Dan Marino Shanahan and Elway Staubach and Tom Landry. Find
me the great quarterbacks with lousy coaches. Give me a break.
Sam Donald had back to back years that were amazing
with Kevin O'Connell and Mike McDonald. Mike McDonald's a defensive guy,
(24:48):
young guy, and Donald tore it up. So yeah, I
just don't think the league quite knows what to do
with Sam I'm not saying Sam's top three quarterback in
the league, top ten right now, He's in his prime.
Remember he entered the league very young. Sam's got about
five more years of prime. He's a In fact, I
don't have the numbers in front of me. I think
he's younger than a lot of guys on this list.
(25:09):
You wouldn't think he is, but he is because the
Jets thing, you know, it seemed like it was a
decade dying in New York under that mess of a franchise,
that gray cloud that reigns every day of the year.
But I guess it says here on this list it's
like pretty received votes or something, honorable mention, whatever. So
(25:34):
I got my list tomorrow. Here, I got my list.
I'll give it to you here, Ryan the You know
what's refreshing about Alexi Lawless and he does like to
poke people in the ribs, which you know, I'm not
against that, but I will say it's interesting to watch.
(25:55):
I mean, Stu Holden played the game, Alexi Laalis Lawless
played the game, Carl Lloyd played the game. These people
played the game and they were critical of Polistic.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
It's always easy to.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Go, well, Colin, you didn't play the game and that's
kind of a week out. But whatever. There is some
value obviously in playing the game. But are American players
who have not been as maybe great as Polisic overseas?
You know, they were critical of him, and it's been
interesting to watch the pushback by people on our American players.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I don't read my.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Stuff, so I don't know what people are saying, but
I know on players people have been critical of, like
Alexi or Stu Holden or carly Well. People don't understand
the pressure. And my take is it's every four years,
you got to be good in the World Cup, you know,
for years and years. A Rod can get criticism if
he struggles hitting in the playoffs. Barry Bonds early in
(26:45):
his career may have a bad playoff series. That's the
reality of baseball players.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
One of the great things about Derek Jeter, you know,
his career average and his playoff average were almost the
same thing. You got the same Jeter every day with
a Rod. He had some series in the postseason where
it's like WHOA A double? A guy at the play
he's all in his head, he's not hitting well, he
gets dropped in the order. Not that He's not great,
but that is how we judge our athletes. I mean,
the reason Michael Jordan is a legend is six for six.
(27:13):
If Michael was seven for twelve, he wouldn't have the
same legend being six for six. Seriously, Magic Johnson got
the nine finals. Jordan, though, was perfect. Magic got the
thirty percent more finals. Apparently that has no value. So Polisic,
you know, your soccer stars can have a bad Kopa,
(27:34):
they can have a bad you know, club team season.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
They can't be bad in the World Cup.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Here was Alexi earlier on Pulisic coming off a disappointing.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Cup.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Christian Pililsic is going to be fine.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
He was put out there and put himself out there
as the face of this national team. I think he
is still well on his way to becoming possibly the
best American male.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Soccer player ever.
Speaker 9 (28:00):
But the reality is is that in the most important moment,
justin not just in a World Cup, but in a
home World Cup.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
He didn't show up.
Speaker 9 (28:07):
For a lot of people, it affirmed or confirmed what
they feel is that he is at times week and
we can body, we can mind, and that manifested during
this during this World Cup.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, I don't think that's outrageous. He was timid, he
was giving up possessions too quickly. It was weird, you're
at home. It's a pickham Balligan was back. You know,
I don't think I think I have a pretty good
thermometer on like when the media is totally unfair or
too soft or too and I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
It wasn't vicious.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
It was like, bro, nine of these World Cup matches
for you either can't play or you leave early. And
I got one goal in two World Cups and you're
our best playmaker.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Ever, I don't think that's harsh.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
No, he did get banged up, and I'm not going
to guess on injuries and severity of injuries. I'm not
going to go there. But before the injury we were disappointed.
It wasn't post injury. It was before the injury. We
were disappointed with the outcome of his Cup performance. So
I thought all of it was fair little hard maybe,
but I mean it's the World Cup. You ever read
(29:14):
the Guardian or the London Sun.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Or the whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I mean, you read these international headlines and papers. They
are vicious, they are brutal. Our media is not our
soccer media is a lot like our NBA media. They're
kind of player friendly on average, not always, but on
average i'd say pretty player friendly. NFL media college football
media much rougher on the players
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