July 14, 2026 • 32 mins
Colin talks to former NFL QB Matt Hasselbeck about the best QBs in the league right now, Lamar Jackson no longer being elite, the system in Green Bay, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
With that Matt Hasselbeck.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Eighteen years in the NFL, we were you know, I've
never taken like the top one hundred list. I understand
players tend to have favorites, but it is noteworthy when
Lamar's peer group, always his number one supporter, like drops
him out. And I had said this, I defended him
for years, but you do get to a point where
injuries declining, Like, how do you view Lamar Jackson today?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I think he's a great player. I mean, I think
he's a Hall of Fame caliber player. He's incredible. He
was not himself last year. It was a weird year.
I don't know if he was banged up or what
it was, but there was bad film put out by
a great player last year, and that can happen. Not
every year is the same. I say it all the time,
to you, like, not every year is the same. There's
a lot of factors that go into these things. Who's
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your play caller, what kind of teammates are around you?
What did you put in the bank in the offseason
so you can make withdrawals throughout the season. And for
whatever reason, whatever he did, you know, I heard him say, Hey,
I did the same thing I've always done. Well, maybe
it's time to change what you've always done. I mean
that's what the great players do. They find ways to
get better, different ways to train, different things to work on.
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And you know, obviously something had to change. And what
ended up changing was a new head coach, a new
play caller, you know, all those types of things. But
they're building this thing around Lamar. He's just got to
step up and be the Lamar that we used to.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Know, so I said.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And I'm a sucker for athletic guys who can extend plays.
So I said, going into this season, if you asked
me to rank my top ten quarterbacks, I probably have
Caleb William, Sam Darnald, and Jordan Love higher than most people.
I put Caleb three. Now people will say give me
a break, but I know people just calling you out
of yours, and I also have Donald in his physical
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prime can extend place big arm like Cale. I love
Jordan Love even though I'm not getting a lot of
playoff wins. Now again, I had Lamar eleventh over Drake
May because I think Drake is ascending and I do
think Lamar is peaked, and I think Drake's a very
good deep ball thrower, late game thrower. Is there anything
you look at? I mean the Caleb thing. I know
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you don't agree with.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
That, No, I don't, But I have a question about
this list because I do think it's really important, Like
what's the lens that you're looking at this through? Is
this you know the kind of year they're going to
have this year or where we sit today?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Yeah, like what do we What exactly is the lens
you're looking at this list through?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay prime and this is a great example. I have
Burrow six. I do not think he has the old
line of the support system on the staff that Justin
Herbert does with Harbon, Mike McDaniel. I think Caleb has
Ben Johnson. He made a Man of Leap next year.
I think he'll make another one this year. I like
Vrabel and Josh McDaniel. That is a girl that's top
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of the list support.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
So you're looking ahead, You're you're looking into this season upcoming. Well,
I would say, you know, you admitted it right off
the bat. You have a type, you know, just like
in dating relationships.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
You have a type.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
You have something that you're attracted to. You are attracted
to young, offensive, highlight making people who do it by themselves.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I mean that.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I think that's what your infatuation is with Caleb, Josh Allen, Mahomes,
those guys like that is a thing you do. You
are not attracted to the old, boring uh rock purty type,
you know, the way that the way Dak Prescott, the way.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
That I am. You know, I grew up. I played
in an era.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Where our best players were our Hall of Fame players
in my In my era were guys like Tom Brady
and Peyton Manning and Drew Brees, and they were highlights
all over the place, but they weren't the highlights that
we're gonna run on a loop like some of these
really talented athletic players like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes
and Kayleb Williams.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
So yes, I am with you, right there.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I do think that, you know, Dak Prescott fans should
be upset. I feel like he's got a case for
the year that he had in the year that he's
probably going.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
To have again this year with the weapons that he has.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
And again I'll say it not to be a broken record,
but Brock Purdy, I know it's boring, but you add
Mike Evans. I don't think that Mike Evans is getting
the respect that he deserves. And so the Kyle Shanahan
offense with Brock perty at the point, with the weapons
that they have, if they come back healthy, McCaffrey Kittle,
you know, all the stuff that they've added offensively, and
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I would add, they're probably going to.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Be worse on defense.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
So just in my career, when my stats went up,
it was usually when our defense wasn't as good. So
those are some guys. Trevor Lawrence has a case. I
would say, you know, he finished the year really, really strong,
but I think you were might be a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, So what do you make as somebody that knows
the Seahawks well. And I've said one of the things
that's impressive about Donald he's not doing it with one coach,
one offensive line, one coordinator. It's a merry go round
of people, and he's winning with all of them. You
go to Carolina, he's four and too. You go to Minnesota,
you go to Seattle. You know, he cleaned up what
we thought was his reckless nature. NFC better than the AFC,
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didn't have a turnover, Like I think the league is struggling,
a lot of great coaches, coordinators and players have gone
to the Jets and it's the Bermuda Triangle. They disappear.
I kind of just wiped that off his career. He
came in young, it was New York. What do you
make of Donald and where I think the league is
struggling quite what the hell to do with Sam?
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Well, I hope a lot of people around the league
are looking at Sam Donald and saying, hey, let's not
give up on our young quarterback that we've already kicked
to the curb.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
He get the play caller in.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
The quarterback right if we have the unity there the
way that he had in Minnesota, the way that he
had last year in Seattle, Like, we don't have to
give up on a twenty seven year old quarterback with talent.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I hear people right.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Now talking about Jordan Love, like, oh, Jordan Love's not
the guy, Like he's still a young player. Like that
it could come together when you're twenty seven to twenty
eight years old the way that it did for Sam Donald.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
I think that's a real thing. Now.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
The other thing that I would just say is that
doesn't mean that Sam Donald's going to have.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
A statistical great year again this year.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I think one of the reasons that he doesn't get
a lot of respect is that he played the style
of play to win football games, to hoist a Lombardi.
So much of the year he was playing safe and
conservative because he knew he had the legion, you know,
the dark Syde defense on the other side. Now, in
the NFC Championship game, he played a completely different style,
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showed that he could he cut it loose. Him and
Matthew Stafford almost a thousand yards of offense in that game.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
He's capable of it.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
But what I think his best quality is right now
is coachability. Mike McDonald set the vision for how we're
going to play offensively, and he bought into it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know, another player that I think I have a
higher opinion of than the market is Jordan Love, and
a lot of it is Matt. I think he's a
good kid. I think he's coachable. I think he's tough.
I think he's got a whip. I think he moves well.
I love his size. He has been bizarrely bad in
September and I can't figure it out. So Burrows had
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choppy September, as if I recall Zach Taylor struggled. But
you look at late numbers for Jordan Love and they've
been He's a great December January quarterback. We tried to
explain this earlier and I don't have an answer. Is
there a belief Why would Jordan Love struggle every September?
Is that a coaching thing? Is that a system thing?
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Are like Belichick? Are they experimenting in Green Band September?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Well, I look at it almost a different way, you know,
sort of the opposite way. And I played in Green
Bay for three years, or really watched Brett Favre play
for three years in Green Bay. But it's nice to
be the home quarterback in Green Bay late in the year.
You know, the other team, I don't think they understand
how to handle the elements the way the Green Bay
Packers do like that equipment staff has it on lockdown
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how to do it with footwear and choose and undergarments,
and you know, what's what you're really drinking in those
Gator eight cups newslash, It's not Gator eighte.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
So, like I think they got it dial dialed in
that way. So it doesn't surprise me that he plays
really good football in those cold weather months, that early
in the season. Thing, you know, that is that is
something you know, that's you know, you're not wrong about
certain great quarterbacks who don't play, you know, super great
off the bat, and I think you know, you've got
to chalk some of that up to you know, how
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you do your training camp. It is different now without
preseason games. Some people get it, you know, do it
a little bit better than others.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
But I don't. I don't have an answer for you
on that though.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, I mean Burrow. You could make an argument with
Burrow because of injuries. He doesn't play in the preseason.
He doesn't want snaps and so September becomes a little
bit of his preseason.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
But what I could say to you, Colin is I
just know, like you know, in my career. Those preseason games,
there were four or five preseason games.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
I thought those were incredibly valuable.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Like Mike Holmgren did things the way that Bill Walsh
did him, the way that Andrew Reid was doing them
after Homegren, and there was a system. We knew exactly
what we were doing preseason Game one, two three is
kind of the first half and started the two minute drive,
two minute drive at the end of the half and
going into the second half like fourth. You know, we
knew what we were doing in all those games. And
it's the wild wild West now with joint practices and
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staying off the quarterback and sometimes the guys around you
just they surprised you. You thought they were ready and
they weren't ready once the season starts.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
One of the reasons, and I said this when Caleb
Williams came out of USC, I said, he can be
erradic and inconsistent, but there's two things that jump out
to me. He never gets hurt ever. Jared Off has
that too. Goff gets hammered. He doesn't get hurt some
guys do. Caleb is always available to play, and he
does not throw interceptions. And considering the fact he's a playmaker,
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and I mean he throws a mill advised throws. So
I've come to the point with Caleb Williams is that,
like Josh Allen, there's so much horsepower. I'm not going
to hold him to sixty six percent completion percentage.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
He is a erratic.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
He's like longest guy off the tee. Sometimes he can't
hit his fairway woods, like I just mailed, I just
check it down, like he's not perfect. Have you come
around a little on Caleb because you push back early,
You're like, this is a lot of hero stuff. Is
there anything that Caleb did last year where you look
at it and think, Okay, I got to give him
that he does check.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
In that box. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
He was the most improved quarterback in the NFL to
me last year. His jump from year one to year
two was incredible. The job that Ben Johnson did with
him is remarkable, both for the quarterback and for the coach.
I thought they were excellent. You mentioned it his You know,
every coach will tell you the best availability is the
best ability is availability. That is true, and then not
turning the ball over. It's incredible. It's the reason that
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Aaron Rodgers is one of the best quarterbacks that's still
playing in the In the game, he doesn't turn the
ball over, and so I think those are real things,
Like he didn't he protected the team by not taking sacks.
You know, a lot's being talked about his completion percentage
and all that stuff, But hey, that's mint. That's minor
compared to protecting the football. That's all of bravo. Like,
that was really really impressive. I'm on board with that
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kind of stuff. Now, it's hard to keep taking major
leaps as a young player.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
It's just it's just difficult. I thought.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I thought that there was a lot of great things.
The best thing I could say about Kleb Williams is
he has a clutch gene that is really hard to find.
You can do all the great practicing and all the
great you know, seven on seven and all whatever, but
the elite quarterbacks, the elite playmakers, they have that clutch gene.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
And he absolutely showed that he has that.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, he made plays against Green and the Rams and
the playoffs. That just football physics. It's a little bit
of the early Mahomes that you're like, there's just not
a lot of guys in the world that can make
thost it would even attempt those throws, Matt hasselb.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
And that's a type, and that's a type, and that
is your type. I prefer the guys like it's using
a field goal kicker analogy that don't miss two kicks
in the first and second quarter and then kick the
game winner. You know, Like that's my type. I just
like that slow, boring consistency. Like Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I like him. I like how he plays the game.
So anyway, sorry, you gotta type. I gotta type.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I gotta type.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
There's no question Matt is always good to seeing you
see kin, Yeah it's Caleb Williams, Sam Donald, Jordan Love
play into kind of what I like.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I like. I think.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I think the league has changed. I think they're smarter
offensive coaches. I think defensive ends are are more athletic
than ever. There are more sudden quick pass rushes, more
unblockable players, And I mean, the only thing I worry
about Matt Stafford and the Rams this year is left
tackle well Leric Jackson. Whatever happens there, that story develops, Like,
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that's the only thing I worry.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I don't worry about anying about Matt Stafford.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Now, I would not worry about left tackle if Jordan
loves the quarterback or Sam Darnald or Caleb Williams because
their capability so great. So as a quarterback, some quarterbacks
are they're sitting targets. That's what I worry about with
Matt Stafford. So I do, like you know, I think
sometimes in the NBA we over HiPE athleticism. I think
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it's more skill based than people give basketball players credit for.
And I think in the NFL, I like guys that
move suddenly, quickly, urgently. Horsepower to me is it doesn't
all show up in analytics. But can you make something
happen where there is nothing available? And Donald, you can
be a little reckless. Jordan can be, you know, a
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little reckless, Sam Donald. Absolutely be sure.
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Speaker 7 (14:49):
This is the Herdline News or one more World Cup
story to get to wet your beak for France Spain
and that's Norway, Colin. Did you see how many fans
in Norway welcome the team home? This was in Oslo.
They're saying over one hundred thousand fans. We're in the
streets celebrating Norway's run all the way to the quarterfinals. Colin,
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they did the Viking row. Oh man, take a listen
to this. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I don't know if you've been to the Scandinavian No, No,
I have not. Yeah, we were just talking as a staff.
We've we've all been around Europe. My son can't wait
to go. But it's uh, it is, you know, I
see these reports all the time about great places to
live in the world, and the Scandinavian countries are always
at the top of the list. I thought they were
an amazing story. You know, I never you know, I
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when I think of great soccer brands, Switzerland isn't one,
but they're always good. Norway is just not a It's
just not a brand I ever thought of. But it's
what I really learned from Norway. If you have one
transformational player, that's hard to do in our American sports,
but in soccer, if you have one transformational player, they
can take you to new heights.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
So I got to be honest, I was totally unaware
that there was a Norwegian row. I did not know
about this Viking row thing. Were you aware of that
that that was like a thing in Norway? And now
it's like one of the biggest things that come out
of the World Cup. I will say there's a lot
of good stories about how Norway kind of built this team,
starting in the youth levels, right and Holland is a
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unique story because his dad was on the national team
and his mom was a superhuman athlete, like a big
time so it's not like he came out of nowhere. Right,
he would be the equivalent of like Steph Korean America.
Dad played in the NBA, right, Mom was like a.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Big time college out of our I mean, I don't
know what the number is, but I remember seeing something
about Division one athletes in America, like fifty percent of them,
somebody in their family was a Division one athlete. Like
if we talked Sam Donald, Sam Donald's family, men, women,
there was a lot of athletes in the family. That
generally the way it works, and that's the way it
worked for Earl Holland.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
All right, let's move back to the NFL, and this
justin Herbert character has really.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
Got a lot of people fired up.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Colin, I'm stunned to read this that according to some
of these quarterback rankings, someone anonymously said that Herbert doesn't
have the maturity level of the other top quarterbacks well
on this list.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Now, this is asinine. Come you know what it is.
So I read that quote. I don't what he was saying.
It wasn't about the person. What he's saying about him.
He doesn't have the quarterback maturity like he wants him.
He can be a bit mechanical, which was the knock
of him coming out of college was he was a
bit mechanical. He despite having size and athletic ability, he
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wasn't and it kind of locks onto a guy. It's
a bit mechanical, it's not as fluid as people like.
So it wasn't a shot at his personality. It reads
like it was, but the maturity was about the process
of quarterbacking and the growth of his quarterback play. It
comes off like a shot at him personally. Yeah, but
when I read it and read the entire quote, it
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didn't feel like that. It didn't feel like he was
going after the kid. He was going after that he
hasn't moved the next level of quarterback play.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
I read the quote. I just think this is nonsense.
I mean, what does quarterback play even mean. So you
want to talk maturity, look at guy, you know, Johnny
Manziel lack of maturity.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Obviously Herbert's not there. He I believe that. I think
it's point to GPA and was a biology major.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I think a lot of it is pre snap reads,
you know, being post snap you know, a lot of
quarterback play. Patrick Mahomes always said it wasn't until the
middle of year three that the light went on. And
I think the lights clearly got on for Herbert. But
there were a lot of NFL people, and I'm and
i'm people that I know in respect that really thought
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Tua was going to be the better pro quarterback. No,
I was never a big to a fan, left hander,
small injuries.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
I was more Herbert.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
But I will be honest that when I watched Herbert
in college, he never ran.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
It was like C. J.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Stroud until he played Georgia, Like he never ran, and
so I was always like, you know, Herbert's a clear
pocket guy. I think there have been stages of his development.
I think the Rose Bowl against Wisconsin when Crystal Ball
let him run finally he was like, oh, whoaah, there's
a light bulb. And then I think when he got Harball,
Oh there's a light bulb. I mean, he had a
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great rookie year with Shane Steichen as the OC. I
think Mike McDaniel is going to take this to the
next and the highest level. My guess is for the
next five years he's going to have Harbaugh and Mike
McDaniel as his is, you know, his leaders in the
coaching suite, and I think he's going to be really special.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
We'll see if they get to keep McDaniel.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
But this idea that Herbert's not in the league corps,
any anything to the contrary of that is just idiotic.
I mean, he's done more with less than you could
argue any quarterback in the league. No tackles last year. Okay,
wide receiver group, tell me the superstar receiver that Justin
Herbert has had or tight end.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I like Trey Harris a lot, and Lad McConkie's very good.
They have two receivers they like a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Clot Johnson.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Those are twos and threes.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, that's fair. Lad McConkie's a very good slot receiver.
I think Quentin Johnson has is just you know, he's
a big play guy, but not really dependable.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
I mean, I imagine if he was in Justin Joe
Burrow's team, if Herbert was in Bros.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
Spot. Yeah, but with Jamar Chase, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
With Cincinnati, you have no defense, so you have to
win by shootout and give the Chargers credit. Jesse Minter
built a defense, so Herbert, you know, didn't have a line,
but he didn't have to drop twenty eight points. So
Herbert and Burrow have similar issues where they've had O
line issues and the staffing or there have been units
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that aren't I don't think anybody in the league denies
Burrow and Herbert are exceptional, but it does feel like
in Cincinnati and with the Chargers, this is the first
time I look at Herbert and go, oh.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
God, he's got everything.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Man, He's got his tackles back, he's got the coach,
he's got the OC. They've got now enough wide receiver
debth That's the first year I really think it. And
for the record, there's a lot of people in Vegas
that love the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
This year one of the better over bets.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
So next four years, if you could have one of
these two quarterbacks next four years, money is not an object.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
They make the same.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Next four years, Herbert or Burrow.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
Who you take it?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Herbert?
Speaker 7 (21:50):
I don't think it's close. I mean, Herbert's always healthy.
Guys of Tank can't tackle him.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
And he's got a better support system.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
All right.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Final story, Colm, this is spicy. Happened to in Vegas
over the weekend. Former teammates Tyler Hero and bam Ouda
Bayo had a physical altercation. Now the reports are sketchy
on this one. Okay, so Janni's just so you know
what you're going into. Bam Outa Baio allegedly was told
about some comments Tyler Hero made, not on social media,
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but in a.
Speaker 8 (22:18):
Group chat that.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
Was leaked on social media. Bam Outa Bio, according to
the reports, approached Tyler Hero. Hero said something and bam
Oda Bao punched him in the face. Colin, we live
in a society where people say stuff nasty about humans
all the time.
Speaker 8 (22:34):
This is a teammate.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
They were boys for like six or seven years in Miami,
and bam Outa Baio's not just going and punching him
in the face. I don't know about you, but the
NBA is this is a I think a bad look
for bam Ouda Bayo.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Uh yeah, I don't you know that you travel with people,
there's a lot of ego. There's I mean, I don't know,
a lot of stuff happens that we don't know about.
I mean, we see some video Michael Jordan punch Steve Kerr.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
Like I.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Kind of like when you get into these.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Locker rooms and you're traveling with people and there's a
lot of money and girlfriends involved, and yeah, I mean
there's there's a lot of stuff going on. Like I
don't want to get too judgy on this. I love
bam Auta Bayou. I think you too.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
And by the way, is six what is he?
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Six?
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Eight six nine?
Speaker 7 (23:23):
He's got sixty pounds on Tyler Hero and you're beating
up a little guy. That's that's weak sauce from Tyler Hero.
That this isn't act to the level of Draymond Green's
sucker punch that Jordan Poole. Now there's no video of
this yet, but imagine the life of Tyler Hero. You're
in Miami living it up. He's got all the ig
ladies all hanging out of his house. Well, Nellie shipped
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to Milwaukee and he's getting punched by his former teammate.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Like brutal summer for Tyler Hero.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Well, Milwaukee, Milwaukee in the fall is gorgeous.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
Really compared to Miami, compared to South Beats. What what
I've heard good things about Milwaukee. I'm not gonna be smirch.
The name of Dell's is that is that Bells?
Speaker 8 (24:07):
Yeah, which is legendary apparently.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah. Jmack with the News.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I got invited yesterday.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I've been so busy in the last twenty four hours
to the Bears Packers game a suite. I've never been
to lambeau There's only two things in sports that I
tooth boxes. I haven't checked. One of them is Lambeau
I got to check. So that's pretty that's pretty exciting.
Bears Packers at a suite and Lambeau at a pretty
(24:40):
good Yeah, you're looking, you're you j Matt can't even
beside himself.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
Well, your bucket list includes Lambo. I'm curious if you're
talking about a Lamborghini or Lambeau Field.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
No, I mean it's one of the I mean it's
the isn't it the most iconic professional football venue in America?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Lambo Field?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
What is it so far? It's been around an hour.
I mean Lambo has been around forever. Vince Lombardi coach there.
So when when is this game? Is it in the
winter or in the fall? I think it's October tenth.
You better come Parka for that bad eleventh. It's October eleventh. Holy,
it's an hour. You know, it's just up the road.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
I've never been motion than the Indiana Bears Stadium. Whatever
that stadium is going to be shit.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, that's set around the corner. That's only a thirty
minute drive from where I'm sitting right now. Forty minute drive.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
So I just looked up the average temperature's October Lambeau.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
It's negative eight degrees. No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
No, it's not. I got to tell you something.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
It is is it's not snown in Chicago as much
as it used.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
That's a good question. Is Lambo the most iconic NFL stadium?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
God, by a mode, there's nothing close to us. I mean,
there's a Soldier Field, but nobody in Chicago even likes it.
Nobody likes Soldier Field. It's not that next to the
Field Museum. It's a neat area in town. Nobody likes it.
There is no second place, I mean in the history
Wrigley Field, Lambeau, Fenway Park. I mean, Dodger Stadium is
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I think, way higher up the list, and people give
it credit for Dodger Stadium's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
But I would say the most iconic stadiums in America.
I mean, there's some college venues, Allen Field House for
Ku is big obviously where Doom plays? Cameron Indoor is
you know all time?
Speaker 7 (26:28):
Are you suggesting they have a Super Bowl at Lambau
or something like? Where does Jacksonville play? What's that stadium
called them?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
That's a joke. Well, who's sponsoring it this week? I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Some credit card companies now approve Oh I already read that.
Sorry behind on my spots here out of myself in Chicago.
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Speaker 1 (27:17):
So I put out my top ten quarterbacks going into
the season. I considered everything. Jared Goff gets an upgraded
offensive coordinator and left tackle. I think that puts him
in the top ten. Justin Herbert edged over Joe Burrow.
He gets an upgraded offensive coordinator, He'll have his tackles back.
These are, in my opinion, going into this season. The
ten best quarterbacks. Caleb Williams a second year with Ben Johnson.
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I have him at three. The only old guy is
Matt Stafford. I tend to have a type. I like
guys that can move around. Caleb Williams at three, Sam
Darnold at seven, Jordan Love at nine, probably higher than
the rest of you know, football analysts would have him.
Drake may is my ten. He's an ascending player. I
think he's only getting better. He's been pretty pretty good
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late game situations. Number eleven's Lamar Jackson, although I think
he's declining. Number twelve would be Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I think then you get.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Into a Jalen Hurtz Brock, pretty Baker Mayfield group. Bo
Nicks is around there, and you know we can argue
back and forth. Nick right earlier on Josh Allen being
a top my top ten quarterback list.
Speaker 9 (28:23):
Having the guy atop the league be a guy who's
never sniffed a Super Bowl feels weird to me.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
But I get it.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
And we also we judged Josh Allen differently than we
judge other quarterbacks. Josh Allen's judged like a slugger in baseball,
like don't care if he.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Hits two thirty. He hit forty bombs. That's not typically
how we've.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
Done quarterbacks the path, but with Josh it's fine. Doesn't
sit right with me that Josh is the best quarterback
in the league right now, but I think most people
feel that way, and I guess it's because their cable
went out when he had the single worst turnover of
the season last year before a halftime of that Broncos
playoff game.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
So here's Josh Allen's playoff numbers, which, again, when you
you know, you split them up in the wild card round.
He's been unbelievable rest of the playoffs not as unbelievable.
Fairly noted though, that rest of the playoffs can often
be worse weather, better competition, better pass rushes. So I
think overall, Josh, unlike a Lamar Jackson who's really torpedoed,
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has really struggled in the postseason. Eighty four pass away,
Josh Allen's not been the reason they're losing games. He
did have a really really bad playoff turnover that I
will say it probably the worst of his career. The
other player that I like, and I think a lot
of it is he just sort of he does things
nobody else can do.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Is Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Again, I'm judging based on what I suspect we'll see
this year for our radio audience. It's Alan Mahomes, Caleb Stafford,
Herbert Burrow, Darnold Goff Love, Drake May. I think Caleb
Williams second year with Ben Johnson will will only get better.
I think he has an it factor laid in games.
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He has never hurt, he does not throw interceptions. I
think a lot of it is he is incredibly intuitive,
and I don't think it comes across in analytics. The
dude does not throw picks, and he's always available. He
can take a beating next to Josh Allen, most horsepower
in the league in Matt Hasselbeck earlier on him being
number three.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
He protected the team by not taking sacks. You know,
a lot's being talked about his completion percentage and all
that stuff, but hey, that's mint that's minor compared to
protecting the football. That's all bravo Like that was really,
really impressive. I'm on board with that kind of stuff.
The best thing I could say about Kayleb Williams is
he has a clutch gene that is really hard to find.
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You can do all the great practicing and all the greed,
you know, seven on seven and all whatever, but the
elite quarterbacks, the elite playmakers, they have that clutch gene.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
And he absolutely showed that he has that.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, and I also think Caleb has the locker room.
I think there's a certain magic when and I don't
think you know, the Bears did not draft a pass
rusher off the edge, which surprised a lot of people.
And I do think Caleb has something that the great
ones do that when you're very good in big moments,
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you build a great deal of camaraderie with your teammates,
and you sometimes get an elevated defensive effort from teammates
who want to get you the ball back one more time.
And I think Caleb's developed that there's a feeling in
the room like, just get Caleb the ball one more time.
He'll make something happen. You know, bo Nix and Caleb
are similar and that they can have really bad series
and really bad halves. They're both really good late with
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excellent offensive callers and play designers in Sean Payton and
Ben Johnson. So yes, I've got a type. I like horsepower.
What can I say? You like MESSI, I like Caleb.
I like guys that do things nobody else can do.
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With that Matt Hasselbeck.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Eighteen years in the NFL, we were you know, I've
never taken like the top one hundred list. I understand
players tend to have favorites, but it is noteworthy when
Lamar's peer group, always his number one supporter, like drops
him out. And I had said this, I defended him
for years, but you do get to a point where
injuries declining, Like, how do you view Lamar Jackson today?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I think he's a great player. I mean, I think
he's a Hall of Fame caliber player. He's incredible. He
was not himself last year. It was a weird year.
I don't know if he was banged up or what
it was, but there was bad film put out by
a great player last year, and that can happen. Not
every year is the same. I say it all the time,
to you, like, not every year is the same. There's
a lot of factors that go into these things. Who's
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your play caller, what kind of teammates are around you?
What did you put in the bank in the offseason
so you can make withdrawals throughout the season. And for
whatever reason, whatever he did, you know, I heard him say, Hey,
I did the same thing I've always done. Well, maybe
it's time to change what you've always done. I mean
that's what the great players do. They find ways to
get better, different ways to train, different things to work on.
(01:34):
And you know, obviously something had to change. And what
ended up changing was a new head coach, a new
play caller, you know, all those types of things. But
they're building this thing around Lamar. He's just got to
step up and be the Lamar that we used to.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Know, so I said.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And I'm a sucker for athletic guys who can extend plays.
So I said, going into this season, if you asked
me to rank my top ten quarterbacks, I probably have
Caleb William, Sam Darnald, and Jordan Love higher than most people.
I put Caleb three. Now people will say give me
a break, but I know people just calling you out
of yours, and I also have Donald in his physical
(02:10):
prime can extend place big arm like Cale. I love
Jordan Love even though I'm not getting a lot of
playoff wins. Now again, I had Lamar eleventh over Drake
May because I think Drake is ascending and I do
think Lamar is peaked, and I think Drake's a very
good deep ball thrower, late game thrower. Is there anything
you look at? I mean the Caleb thing. I know
(02:31):
you don't agree with.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
That, No, I don't, But I have a question about
this list because I do think it's really important, Like
what's the lens that you're looking at this through? Is
this you know the kind of year they're going to
have this year or where we sit today?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Yeah, like what do we What exactly is the lens
you're looking at this list through?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay prime and this is a great example. I have
Burrow six. I do not think he has the old
line of the support system on the staff that Justin
Herbert does with Harbon, Mike McDaniel. I think Caleb has
Ben Johnson. He made a Man of Leap next year.
I think he'll make another one this year. I like
Vrabel and Josh McDaniel. That is a girl that's top
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of the list support.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
So you're looking ahead, You're you're looking into this season upcoming. Well,
I would say, you know, you admitted it right off
the bat. You have a type, you know, just like
in dating relationships.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
You have a type.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
You have something that you're attracted to. You are attracted
to young, offensive, highlight making people who do it by themselves.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I mean that.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I think that's what your infatuation is with Caleb, Josh Allen, Mahomes,
those guys like that is a thing you do. You
are not attracted to the old, boring uh rock purty type,
you know, the way that the way Dak Prescott, the way.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
That I am. You know, I grew up. I played
in an era.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Where our best players were our Hall of Fame players
in my In my era were guys like Tom Brady
and Peyton Manning and Drew Brees, and they were highlights
all over the place, but they weren't the highlights that
we're gonna run on a loop like some of these
really talented athletic players like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes
and Kayleb Williams.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
So yes, I am with you, right there.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I do think that, you know, Dak Prescott fans should
be upset. I feel like he's got a case for
the year that he had in the year that he's
probably going.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
To have again this year with the weapons that he has.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
And again I'll say it not to be a broken record,
but Brock Purdy, I know it's boring, but you add
Mike Evans. I don't think that Mike Evans is getting
the respect that he deserves. And so the Kyle Shanahan
offense with Brock perty at the point, with the weapons
that they have, if they come back healthy, McCaffrey Kittle,
you know, all the stuff that they've added offensively, and
(04:43):
I would add, they're probably going to.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Be worse on defense.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
So just in my career, when my stats went up,
it was usually when our defense wasn't as good. So
those are some guys. Trevor Lawrence has a case. I
would say, you know, he finished the year really, really strong,
but I think you were might be a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, So what do you make as somebody that knows
the Seahawks well. And I've said one of the things
that's impressive about Donald he's not doing it with one coach,
one offensive line, one coordinator. It's a merry go round
of people, and he's winning with all of them. You
go to Carolina, he's four and too. You go to Minnesota,
you go to Seattle. You know, he cleaned up what
we thought was his reckless nature. NFC better than the AFC,
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didn't have a turnover, Like I think the league is struggling,
a lot of great coaches, coordinators and players have gone
to the Jets and it's the Bermuda Triangle. They disappear.
I kind of just wiped that off his career. He
came in young, it was New York. What do you
make of Donald and where I think the league is
struggling quite what the hell to do with Sam?
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Well, I hope a lot of people around the league
are looking at Sam Donald and saying, hey, let's not
give up on our young quarterback that we've already kicked
to the curb.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
He get the play caller in.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
The quarterback right if we have the unity there the
way that he had in Minnesota, the way that he
had last year in Seattle, Like, we don't have to
give up on a twenty seven year old quarterback with talent.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I hear people right.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Now talking about Jordan Love, like, oh, Jordan Love's not
the guy, Like he's still a young player. Like that
it could come together when you're twenty seven to twenty
eight years old the way that it did for Sam Donald.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
I think that's a real thing. Now.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
The other thing that I would just say is that
doesn't mean that Sam Donald's going to have.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
A statistical great year again this year.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I think one of the reasons that he doesn't get
a lot of respect is that he played the style
of play to win football games, to hoist a Lombardi.
So much of the year he was playing safe and
conservative because he knew he had the legion, you know,
the dark Syde defense on the other side. Now, in
the NFC Championship game, he played a completely different style,
(06:54):
showed that he could he cut it loose. Him and
Matthew Stafford almost a thousand yards of offense in that game.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
He's capable of it.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
But what I think his best quality is right now
is coachability. Mike McDonald set the vision for how we're
going to play offensively, and he bought into it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know, another player that I think I have a
higher opinion of than the market is Jordan Love, and
a lot of it is Matt. I think he's a
good kid. I think he's coachable. I think he's tough.
I think he's got a whip. I think he moves well.
I love his size. He has been bizarrely bad in
September and I can't figure it out. So Burrows had
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choppy September, as if I recall Zach Taylor struggled. But
you look at late numbers for Jordan Love and they've
been He's a great December January quarterback. We tried to
explain this earlier and I don't have an answer. Is
there a belief Why would Jordan Love struggle every September?
Is that a coaching thing? Is that a system thing?
(07:53):
Are like Belichick? Are they experimenting in Green Band September?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Well, I look at it almost a different way, you know,
sort of the opposite way. And I played in Green
Bay for three years, or really watched Brett Favre play
for three years in Green Bay. But it's nice to
be the home quarterback in Green Bay late in the year.
You know, the other team, I don't think they understand
how to handle the elements the way the Green Bay
Packers do like that equipment staff has it on lockdown
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how to do it with footwear and choose and undergarments,
and you know, what's what you're really drinking in those
Gator eight cups newslash, It's not Gator eighte.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
So, like I think they got it dial dialed in
that way. So it doesn't surprise me that he plays
really good football in those cold weather months, that early
in the season. Thing, you know, that is that is
something you know, that's you know, you're not wrong about
certain great quarterbacks who don't play, you know, super great
off the bat, and I think you know, you've got
to chalk some of that up to you know, how
(08:48):
you do your training camp. It is different now without
preseason games. Some people get it, you know, do it
a little bit better than others.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
But I don't. I don't have an answer for you
on that though.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, I mean Burrow. You could make an argument with
Burrow because of injuries. He doesn't play in the preseason.
He doesn't want snaps and so September becomes a little
bit of his preseason.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
But what I could say to you, Colin is I
just know, like you know, in my career. Those preseason games,
there were four or five preseason games.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
I thought those were incredibly valuable.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Like Mike Holmgren did things the way that Bill Walsh
did him, the way that Andrew Reid was doing them
after Homegren, and there was a system. We knew exactly
what we were doing preseason Game one, two three is
kind of the first half and started the two minute drive,
two minute drive at the end of the half and
going into the second half like fourth. You know, we
knew what we were doing in all those games. And
it's the wild wild West now with joint practices and
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staying off the quarterback and sometimes the guys around you
just they surprised you. You thought they were ready and
they weren't ready once the season starts.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
One of the reasons, and I said this when Caleb
Williams came out of USC, I said, he can be
erradic and inconsistent, but there's two things that jump out
to me. He never gets hurt ever. Jared Off has
that too. Goff gets hammered. He doesn't get hurt some
guys do. Caleb is always available to play, and he
does not throw interceptions. And considering the fact he's a playmaker,
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and I mean he throws a mill advised throws. So
I've come to the point with Caleb Williams is that,
like Josh Allen, there's so much horsepower. I'm not going
to hold him to sixty six percent completion percentage.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
He is a erratic.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
He's like longest guy off the tee. Sometimes he can't
hit his fairway woods, like I just mailed, I just
check it down, like he's not perfect. Have you come
around a little on Caleb because you push back early,
You're like, this is a lot of hero stuff. Is
there anything that Caleb did last year where you look
at it and think, Okay, I got to give him
that he does check.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
In that box. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
He was the most improved quarterback in the NFL to
me last year. His jump from year one to year
two was incredible. The job that Ben Johnson did with
him is remarkable, both for the quarterback and for the coach.
I thought they were excellent. You mentioned it his You know,
every coach will tell you the best availability is the
best ability is availability. That is true, and then not
turning the ball over. It's incredible. It's the reason that
(11:07):
Aaron Rodgers is one of the best quarterbacks that's still
playing in the In the game, he doesn't turn the
ball over, and so I think those are real things,
Like he didn't he protected the team by not taking sacks.
You know, a lot's being talked about his completion percentage
and all that stuff, But hey, that's mint. That's minor
compared to protecting the football. That's all of bravo. Like,
that was really really impressive. I'm on board with that
(11:29):
kind of stuff. Now, it's hard to keep taking major
leaps as a young player.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
It's just it's just difficult. I thought.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I thought that there was a lot of great things.
The best thing I could say about Kleb Williams is
he has a clutch gene that is really hard to find.
You can do all the great practicing and all the
great you know, seven on seven and all whatever, but
the elite quarterbacks, the elite playmakers, they have that clutch gene.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
And he absolutely showed that he has that.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, he made plays against Green and the Rams and
the playoffs. That just football physics. It's a little bit
of the early Mahomes that you're like, there's just not
a lot of guys in the world that can make
thost it would even attempt those throws, Matt hasselb.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
And that's a type, and that's a type, and that
is your type. I prefer the guys like it's using
a field goal kicker analogy that don't miss two kicks
in the first and second quarter and then kick the
game winner. You know, Like that's my type. I just
like that slow, boring consistency. Like Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I like him. I like how he plays the game.
So anyway, sorry, you gotta type. I gotta type.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I gotta type.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
There's no question Matt is always good to seeing you
see kin, Yeah it's Caleb Williams, Sam Donald, Jordan Love
play into kind of what I like.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I like. I think.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I think the league has changed. I think they're smarter
offensive coaches. I think defensive ends are are more athletic
than ever. There are more sudden quick pass rushes, more
unblockable players, And I mean, the only thing I worry
about Matt Stafford and the Rams this year is left
tackle well Leric Jackson. Whatever happens there, that story develops, Like,
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that's the only thing I worry.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I don't worry about anying about Matt Stafford.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Now, I would not worry about left tackle if Jordan
loves the quarterback or Sam Darnald or Caleb Williams because
their capability so great. So as a quarterback, some quarterbacks
are they're sitting targets. That's what I worry about with
Matt Stafford. So I do, like you know, I think
sometimes in the NBA we over HiPE athleticism. I think
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it's more skill based than people give basketball players credit for.
And I think in the NFL, I like guys that
move suddenly, quickly, urgently. Horsepower to me is it doesn't
all show up in analytics. But can you make something
happen where there is nothing available? And Donald, you can
be a little reckless. Jordan can be, you know, a
(13:54):
little reckless, Sam Donald. Absolutely be sure.
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I don't know if you've been to the Scandinavian No, No,
I have not. Yeah, we were just talking as a staff.
We've we've all been around Europe. My son can't wait
to go. But it's uh, it is, you know, I
see these reports all the time about great places to
live in the world, and the Scandinavian countries are always
at the top of the list. I thought they were
an amazing story. You know, I never you know, I
(16:08):
when I think of great soccer brands, Switzerland isn't one,
but they're always good. Norway is just not a It's
just not a brand I ever thought of. But it's
what I really learned from Norway. If you have one
transformational player, that's hard to do in our American sports,
but in soccer, if you have one transformational player, they
can take you to new heights.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
So I got to be honest, I was totally unaware
that there was a Norwegian row. I did not know
about this Viking row thing. Were you aware of that
that that was like a thing in Norway? And now
it's like one of the biggest things that come out
of the World Cup. I will say there's a lot
of good stories about how Norway kind of built this team,
starting in the youth levels, right and Holland is a
(16:50):
unique story because his dad was on the national team
and his mom was a superhuman athlete, like a big
time so it's not like he came out of nowhere. Right,
he would be the equivalent of like Steph Korean America.
Dad played in the NBA, right, Mom was like a.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Big time college out of our I mean, I don't
know what the number is, but I remember seeing something
about Division one athletes in America, like fifty percent of them,
somebody in their family was a Division one athlete. Like
if we talked Sam Donald, Sam Donald's family, men, women,
there was a lot of athletes in the family. That
generally the way it works, and that's the way it
worked for Earl Holland.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
All right, let's move back to the NFL, and this
justin Herbert character has really.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
Got a lot of people fired up.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Colin, I'm stunned to read this that according to some
of these quarterback rankings, someone anonymously said that Herbert doesn't
have the maturity level of the other top quarterbacks well
on this list.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Now, this is asinine. Come you know what it is.
So I read that quote. I don't what he was saying.
It wasn't about the person. What he's saying about him.
He doesn't have the quarterback maturity like he wants him.
He can be a bit mechanical, which was the knock
of him coming out of college was he was a
bit mechanical. He despite having size and athletic ability, he
(18:07):
wasn't and it kind of locks onto a guy. It's
a bit mechanical, it's not as fluid as people like.
So it wasn't a shot at his personality. It reads
like it was, but the maturity was about the process
of quarterbacking and the growth of his quarterback play. It
comes off like a shot at him personally. Yeah, but
when I read it and read the entire quote, it
(18:29):
didn't feel like that. It didn't feel like he was
going after the kid. He was going after that he
hasn't moved the next level of quarterback play.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
I read the quote. I just think this is nonsense.
I mean, what does quarterback play even mean. So you
want to talk maturity, look at guy, you know, Johnny
Manziel lack of maturity.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Obviously Herbert's not there. He I believe that. I think
it's point to GPA and was a biology major.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I think a lot of it is pre snap reads,
you know, being post snap you know, a lot of
quarterback play. Patrick Mahomes always said it wasn't until the
middle of year three that the light went on. And
I think the lights clearly got on for Herbert. But
there were a lot of NFL people, and I'm and
i'm people that I know in respect that really thought
(19:16):
Tua was going to be the better pro quarterback. No,
I was never a big to a fan, left hander,
small injuries.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
I was more Herbert.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
But I will be honest that when I watched Herbert
in college, he never ran.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
It was like C. J.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Stroud until he played Georgia, Like he never ran, and
so I was always like, you know, Herbert's a clear
pocket guy. I think there have been stages of his development.
I think the Rose Bowl against Wisconsin when Crystal Ball
let him run finally he was like, oh, whoaah, there's
a light bulb. And then I think when he got Harball,
Oh there's a light bulb. I mean, he had a
(19:49):
great rookie year with Shane Steichen as the OC. I
think Mike McDaniel is going to take this to the
next and the highest level. My guess is for the
next five years he's going to have Harbaugh and Mike
McDaniel as his is, you know, his leaders in the
coaching suite, and I think he's going to be really special.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
We'll see if they get to keep McDaniel.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
But this idea that Herbert's not in the league corps,
any anything to the contrary of that is just idiotic.
I mean, he's done more with less than you could
argue any quarterback in the league. No tackles last year. Okay,
wide receiver group, tell me the superstar receiver that Justin
Herbert has had or tight end.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I like Trey Harris a lot, and Lad McConkie's very good.
They have two receivers they like a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Clot Johnson.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Those are twos and threes.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, that's fair. Lad McConkie's a very good slot receiver.
I think Quentin Johnson has is just you know, he's
a big play guy, but not really dependable.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
I mean, I imagine if he was in Justin Joe
Burrow's team, if Herbert was in Bros.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
Spot. Yeah, but with Jamar Chase, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
With Cincinnati, you have no defense, so you have to
win by shootout and give the Chargers credit. Jesse Minter
built a defense, so Herbert, you know, didn't have a line,
but he didn't have to drop twenty eight points. So
Herbert and Burrow have similar issues where they've had O
line issues and the staffing or there have been units
(21:11):
that aren't I don't think anybody in the league denies
Burrow and Herbert are exceptional, but it does feel like
in Cincinnati and with the Chargers, this is the first
time I look at Herbert and go, oh.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
God, he's got everything.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Man, He's got his tackles back, he's got the coach,
he's got the OC. They've got now enough wide receiver
debth That's the first year I really think it. And
for the record, there's a lot of people in Vegas
that love the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
This year one of the better over bets.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
So next four years, if you could have one of
these two quarterbacks next four years, money is not an object.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
They make the same.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Next four years, Herbert or Burrow.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
Who you take it?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Herbert?
Speaker 7 (21:50):
I don't think it's close. I mean, Herbert's always healthy.
Guys of Tank can't tackle him.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
And he's got a better support system.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
All right.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Final story, Colm, this is spicy. Happened to in Vegas
over the weekend. Former teammates Tyler Hero and bam Ouda
Bayo had a physical altercation. Now the reports are sketchy
on this one. Okay, so Janni's just so you know
what you're going into. Bam Outa Baio allegedly was told
about some comments Tyler Hero made, not on social media,
(22:18):
but in a.
Speaker 8 (22:18):
Group chat that.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
Was leaked on social media. Bam Outa Bio, according to
the reports, approached Tyler Hero. Hero said something and bam
Oda Bao punched him in the face. Colin, we live
in a society where people say stuff nasty about humans
all the time.
Speaker 8 (22:34):
This is a teammate.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
They were boys for like six or seven years in Miami,
and bam Outa Baio's not just going and punching him
in the face. I don't know about you, but the
NBA is this is a I think a bad look
for bam Ouda Bayo.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Uh yeah, I don't you know that you travel with people,
there's a lot of ego. There's I mean, I don't know,
a lot of stuff happens that we don't know about.
I mean, we see some video Michael Jordan punch Steve Kerr.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
Like I.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Kind of like when you get into these.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Locker rooms and you're traveling with people and there's a
lot of money and girlfriends involved, and yeah, I mean
there's there's a lot of stuff going on. Like I
don't want to get too judgy on this. I love
bam Auta Bayou. I think you too.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
And by the way, is six what is he?
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Six?
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Eight six nine?
Speaker 7 (23:23):
He's got sixty pounds on Tyler Hero and you're beating
up a little guy. That's that's weak sauce from Tyler Hero.
That this isn't act to the level of Draymond Green's
sucker punch that Jordan Poole. Now there's no video of
this yet, but imagine the life of Tyler Hero. You're
in Miami living it up. He's got all the ig
ladies all hanging out of his house. Well, Nellie shipped
(23:44):
to Milwaukee and he's getting punched by his former teammate.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Like brutal summer for Tyler Hero.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Well, Milwaukee, Milwaukee in the fall is gorgeous.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
Really compared to Miami, compared to South Beats. What what
I've heard good things about Milwaukee. I'm not gonna be smirch.
The name of Dell's is that is that Bells?
Speaker 8 (24:07):
Yeah, which is legendary apparently.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah. Jmack with the News.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I got invited yesterday.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I've been so busy in the last twenty four hours
to the Bears Packers game a suite. I've never been
to lambeau There's only two things in sports that I
tooth boxes. I haven't checked. One of them is Lambeau
I got to check. So that's pretty that's pretty exciting.
Bears Packers at a suite and Lambeau at a pretty
(24:40):
good Yeah, you're looking, you're you j Matt can't even
beside himself.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
Well, your bucket list includes Lambo. I'm curious if you're
talking about a Lamborghini or Lambeau Field.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
No, I mean it's one of the I mean it's
the isn't it the most iconic professional football venue in America?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Lambo Field?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
What is it so far? It's been around an hour.
I mean Lambo has been around forever. Vince Lombardi coach there.
So when when is this game? Is it in the
winter or in the fall? I think it's October tenth.
You better come Parka for that bad eleventh. It's October eleventh. Holy,
it's an hour. You know, it's just up the road.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
I've never been motion than the Indiana Bears Stadium. Whatever
that stadium is going to be shit.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, that's set around the corner. That's only a thirty
minute drive from where I'm sitting right now. Forty minute drive.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
So I just looked up the average temperature's October Lambeau.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
It's negative eight degrees. No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
No, it's not. I got to tell you something.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
It is is it's not snown in Chicago as much
as it used.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
That's a good question. Is Lambo the most iconic NFL stadium?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
God, by a mode, there's nothing close to us. I mean,
there's a Soldier Field, but nobody in Chicago even likes it.
Nobody likes Soldier Field. It's not that next to the
Field Museum. It's a neat area in town. Nobody likes it.
There is no second place, I mean in the history
Wrigley Field, Lambeau, Fenway Park. I mean, Dodger Stadium is
(26:08):
I think, way higher up the list, and people give
it credit for Dodger Stadium's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
But I would say the most iconic stadiums in America.
I mean, there's some college venues, Allen Field House for
Ku is big obviously where Doom plays? Cameron Indoor is
you know all time?
Speaker 7 (26:28):
Are you suggesting they have a Super Bowl at Lambau
or something like? Where does Jacksonville play? What's that stadium
called them?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
That's a joke. Well, who's sponsoring it this week? I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Some credit card companies now approve Oh I already read that.
Sorry behind on my spots here out of myself in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
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Speaker 7 (27:00):
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Speaker 8 (27:16):
We get you covered on Fox.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
So I put out my top ten quarterbacks going into
the season. I considered everything. Jared Goff gets an upgraded
offensive coordinator and left tackle. I think that puts him
in the top ten. Justin Herbert edged over Joe Burrow.
He gets an upgraded offensive coordinator, He'll have his tackles back.
These are, in my opinion, going into this season. The
ten best quarterbacks. Caleb Williams a second year with Ben Johnson.
(27:40):
I have him at three. The only old guy is
Matt Stafford. I tend to have a type. I like
guys that can move around. Caleb Williams at three, Sam
Darnold at seven, Jordan Love at nine, probably higher than
the rest of you know, football analysts would have him.
Drake may is my ten. He's an ascending player. I
think he's only getting better. He's been pretty pretty good
(28:01):
late game situations. Number eleven's Lamar Jackson, although I think
he's declining. Number twelve would be Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I think then you get.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Into a Jalen Hurtz Brock, pretty Baker Mayfield group. Bo
Nicks is around there, and you know we can argue
back and forth. Nick right earlier on Josh Allen being
a top my top ten quarterback list.
Speaker 9 (28:23):
Having the guy atop the league be a guy who's
never sniffed a Super Bowl feels weird to me.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
But I get it.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
And we also we judged Josh Allen differently than we
judge other quarterbacks. Josh Allen's judged like a slugger in baseball,
like don't care if he.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Hits two thirty. He hit forty bombs. That's not typically
how we've.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
Done quarterbacks the path, but with Josh it's fine. Doesn't
sit right with me that Josh is the best quarterback
in the league right now, but I think most people
feel that way, and I guess it's because their cable
went out when he had the single worst turnover of
the season last year before a halftime of that Broncos
playoff game.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
So here's Josh Allen's playoff numbers, which, again, when you
you know, you split them up in the wild card round.
He's been unbelievable rest of the playoffs not as unbelievable.
Fairly noted though, that rest of the playoffs can often
be worse weather, better competition, better pass rushes. So I
think overall, Josh, unlike a Lamar Jackson who's really torpedoed,
(29:26):
has really struggled in the postseason. Eighty four pass away,
Josh Allen's not been the reason they're losing games. He
did have a really really bad playoff turnover that I
will say it probably the worst of his career. The
other player that I like, and I think a lot
of it is he just sort of he does things
nobody else can do.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Is Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Again, I'm judging based on what I suspect we'll see
this year for our radio audience. It's Alan Mahomes, Caleb Stafford,
Herbert Burrow, Darnold Goff Love, Drake May. I think Caleb
Williams second year with Ben Johnson will will only get better.
I think he has an it factor laid in games.
(30:03):
He has never hurt, he does not throw interceptions. I
think a lot of it is he is incredibly intuitive,
and I don't think it comes across in analytics. The
dude does not throw picks, and he's always available. He
can take a beating next to Josh Allen, most horsepower
in the league in Matt Hasselbeck earlier on him being
number three.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
He protected the team by not taking sacks. You know,
a lot's being talked about his completion percentage and all
that stuff, but hey, that's mint that's minor compared to
protecting the football. That's all bravo Like that was really,
really impressive. I'm on board with that kind of stuff.
The best thing I could say about Kayleb Williams is
he has a clutch gene that is really hard to find.
(30:45):
You can do all the great practicing and all the greed,
you know, seven on seven and all whatever, but the
elite quarterbacks, the elite playmakers, they have that clutch gene.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
And he absolutely showed that he has that.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, and I also think Caleb has the locker room.
I think there's a certain magic when and I don't
think you know, the Bears did not draft a pass
rusher off the edge, which surprised a lot of people.
And I do think Caleb has something that the great
ones do that when you're very good in big moments,
(31:20):
you build a great deal of camaraderie with your teammates,
and you sometimes get an elevated defensive effort from teammates
who want to get you the ball back one more time.
And I think Caleb's developed that there's a feeling in
the room like, just get Caleb the ball one more time.
He'll make something happen. You know, bo Nix and Caleb
are similar and that they can have really bad series
and really bad halves. They're both really good late with
(31:43):
excellent offensive callers and play designers in Sean Payton and
Ben Johnson. So yes, I've got a type. I like horsepower.
What can I say? You like MESSI, I like Caleb.
I like guys that do things nobody else can do.
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