August 3, 2026 • 30 mins
Urban Meyer stops by The Herd to talk about his coaching career, the upcoming college football season, Lincoln Riley's make a break season, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Three time national champ Kurt Signetti now leading with his chin.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I think it's funny.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I remember when Steve Spurrier used to be obnoxious and
make fun of the Big ten. So I don't have
a problem with Signetti poking the SEC.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And the ribs.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Lane Kiffin he's poking SEC teams and I like my
college coaches. None wrong with Steve Spurrier and Lane Kiffen
being outspoken, and nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Urban Meyers now.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Joining me live undisclosed location, but I know where he's at.
It's very bougie, very upscale, very luxury. I'm not going
to give it away right there. Hey, by the way,
do you know this? How about this one? I'm going
to give you a little love here. Don't let it
go to your head.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Do you know.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Kyle Whittingham and Ryan Day Michigan Ohio State coach. You
had both those on your staff now that I don't
know in the history of Ohio, I don't know sure
how many coaches have done that. You're in a short list.
Do they have anything in common? I mean they're both
now super successful guys to Ryan Dade Ohio State and
Witningham at Michigan. If I said they have one thing
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in common, what.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Is it, I would say the care of the player.
And what I mean not soft not but they You know,
a lot of times I've been around coaches that it's
very transactional business and they look as a player is
number forty seven. Kyle is not that way at all.
And he actually when I was on my staff at Utah,
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I learned a lot from them. His father was a
very successful NFL coach, assistant and coach Utah and just
phenomenal coach.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
But Ryan Day. Ryan Day was the same thing. Ryan
Day was a.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
GA for me at Florida and then obviously coach for
at House State. But the deep care that when you
when you dig into their programs, it's very deep. And
when I say deep, it's about life after football. It's
about making sure they take care of so genuine care
of athlete.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I love that. So great great guys, great guy, great guys.
I love them both, great guys.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, you know, uh, Signetti is fun.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
He's just you know, he's just you know, Spurrier, I mean,
Spurrier never shut up. He liked making fun of Tennessee
An he did, and I was okay. Lane Kiffin the
same way. He can't stop. I don't mind Signetti saying,
you know what, we're a little old Indiana. We just
went sixteen and oh, I'm gonna push back.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I kind of like it. What do you make of it?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I've no Curt Signetti since he was a pet and
I was at Notre Dame. And I don't want to
use the word awkward, but he's just a different guy,
and I really attached the guy. We hung out recruiting,
we hung out, had dinner with State, someone in touch,
and then kind of lost touch for a while until
he I remember he was at Alabama. I believe he's
at Alabama the year that Ohas that we played him
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at when I was at Ohio State. But no, I
think he's great. I think he's I think he's very
I think there's a lot of genius behind what he does.
You know, a little bit like Spurrier or Spurrier. You
would look at him and here listen to him, say
what in the hell did he just say?
Speaker 5 (03:28):
But then you think about what he does.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
There's a reason behind I think I got so much
respect for Sagetti.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, you know I was.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I was looking at obviously the Big Ten the last
three years. It's indisputable if you look at the bowl record,
if you look at the playoff record, if you look
head to head Big ten SEC, they've pulled away. It's
not subtle, it's not nuanced. Big tenant right now at
the tops better and I think this is the best
Oregon team ever. I think Ohio State would be my
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favorite to win it all. And I think also something
that's hurting the SEC is that Notre Dame in Miami
to me are the biggest threats to the Big Ten.
Notre Dame is you know, the thing that Notre Dame
is when they get those nil guys, they don't leave.
They go to Notre Dame for more than just football.
And Miami is spent in big boy money. When was
the first time Urban Because you coached at Florida for years,
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and you know, personnel bow as well as any college
coach in my life. Jimmy Johnson, nfl U College are
personnel guys. When did you notice, Wow, the gap has closed?
Because I remember six seven years ago i'd watch I'd
watch only Ohio State to me looked like an SEC team.
After that it wasn't the same. When's the first time
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you looked and said, oh, the Big ten's caught up?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And maybe more.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I think that near the end of my career, you
had Penn State, the Wolf Raines, and the Buckeyes that
were starting to me looked like SEC looking teams. And
what I mean that, I mean not just the size
up front, because Big ten's big upfront as long as
you can say the word big ten. The difference is
the athleticism upfront. That's always been the SEC advantage. And
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I would like to say that o'haste was the first
team that brought the SEC mentality recruiting too, the Big ten,
But obviously James Franklin was a great recruiter, spent time
in the SEC, and then Jim Harbaugh is a hell
of recruiter. So two those three teams started looking very
SEC is near the end of my career, and then
you at Oregon.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
USC Washington in UCLA. Not so much UCA is.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
As far as their talent right now, but in the
last three years when the Wolverine won the national title,
that's when I say, wait a minute, now, that looks
like those are SEC looking team.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
But I'm going to add this, Collin. Also, the big ten.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Stadiums are very SEC like they were not when I
was hired in twenty twelve.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
It wasn't even close. Man.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
The teams weren't close, the venues weren't closed, the passion
of the fans wasn't close. It's caught up and like
you said last year and bypassed the SEC.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So listen, Notre Dame USC are going to play again,
jen Co and the ad at USC said, we don't
hate Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
We just want to play him early in the season.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
We don't want to have to play him after we
played Ohio State or Penn State in the snow. We
just want to move it up. So they got that
thing re signed. But I want to talk about Lincoln Riley.
I have had this discussion a dozen times with friends
in la Is. I know I always judge a coach initially,
is he good on his side of the ball first
couple of years. Listen, he may be inheriting a mess
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that could be cultural issues, personnel issues. But if a
defensive coach has the defense the elite, he knows what
he's doing. So the offense at USC is not a problem.
But I would argue this part of Lincoln Riley is
unproven and I don't know if he's great at that.
And that is culture. He inherited Stoop's momentum. He didn't
get it now. He won games, won eleven games, but
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the culture was built. My knock on USC as they
go on the road, it's a different football team. Don't
even look like the same team. Is he a culture?
Is that the jury out? The jury is out for
me on that is it? For you?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Still?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
It is?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Because I have a lot of respect like all of
us do with a profession. Lincoln Riley colleing plays running offense.
But that's only a if you dig in. That's just
really a small part of your job as a head coach.
You can hire a lot of people to call them
good games. You can't hire a lot of people to
build a culture. Recruit to a culture, demand a culture.
And that's at the end of the day, how you win.
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It's not offense. There's a lot of great offenses out there,
a lot of great defenses out there. So I think
this is I don't want to say make or break,
but we're getting pretty close to that. Yeah, and USC,
and I've said this hundreds of times, USC is enigma.
To me, I do not understand when you just as
a coach, someone of has been in profession, how in
the world are you not in the playoffs? At USC?
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They got it all. To me, it's the other enigmas Florida.
How do you do that? How's that? And I believe
they both have the right coaches. I believe that this
will be a great year for USC. And I brought
up Florida. I think Florida's getting ready to make a run.
But those are you start checking boxes? Colin, they got.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
It all well.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
You coached at Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I didn't know if Notre Dame would be good in
the NIL era. I knew Texas would spend money. I
knew USC would, I knew Ohio State would. I knew
you know, I'm a little surprised Miami got so good,
so fast. I didn't know anything about Indiana, but Notre Dame,
I'm like, it's very academic, very proud. They're not going
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to sell the farm out. And I got to tell you,
I look at their talent right now. Urban It's like
with the lou Holt stays like it matches up with everybody.
Are you surprised because we know Marcus Freeman's good, that's
been established, But are you surprised in the nil era
they checks they have great players and they had it
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almost feels like it's empowered them. Does that surprise you?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
It does?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
And I was there and lou Holts hired me in
nineteen ninety six and I was told directly, we will
not pay our coaches. Whether the coaches get paid, you're
not allowed. We weren't allowed to have a cell phone.
Other schools had cell phones. Notre Dame did not allow
us on the road because Notre Dame doesn't need that.
We were in offices that were you know, I don't
want to get too deep. It's awful. I mean just
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the facilities were awful. We didn't have training table for
our players. And it kept coming back to me because
I would push on it a little bit we don't
do that.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
We're Notre Dame. We don't need to do that.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
That's where I gave recently Brian Kelly a lot of
credit that he pushed on everything and as a result,
now Notre Dame, you see the new facility.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
They're open.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
It's the finest, I think, the finest in the land.
Notre Dame is opening. I want to say, one hundred
plus million dollar facoda. I saw the video. I asked
some friends still in Notre Dame said, you will not
believe what we've done here. So Notre Dame, whoever it
had to go from the top the president on the
way down, said, you know what, we will never ever
get caught falling behind again because you can say what
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you want. And I know because I was there, we
fell behind. I had a chance to be careful.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
I say this. I had a chance to be the
head coach at Notre.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Dame, I know, and I picked Florida because of that reason.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Yep, Notre Dame was set in their way.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Said we are not going to follow the ways of
everyone else because we're Notre Dame. And I said, okay,
I'm good, I understand that. Because you are Notre Dame,
but by the way, I'm going to go try to
go win a national title somewhere.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
No, I heard that.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
So you can't win a title there now? You can
win it there now? Oh, absolutely, you couldn't. You're back,
you can win it there now.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I like their quarterback. You're good with quarterback? Ce J Carr.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
What do you make of him? I think he's I
think he may be the best. All these guys.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Know.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Everybody loves arch Manning and saying I get it, I
get it. I is he the best quarterback in college?
He's certainly one of the top three.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
My top three are saying Dante Moore at Oregon, I
love that kid, and CJ.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Carr.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
You look at Notre dames schedule Colin They're a double
digit favorite till November. Double digit favorite until November. Yeah,
that's what you.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
By the way, Notre Dame won't admit this, But and
the reason they were mad that they didn't get the
USC game.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
They need the USC game.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
USC plays Ohio State, Oregon, Indiana. The USC's fine. Notre Dames,
look at that schedule, Oh my lord.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
And they got the right coach.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
That guy's really Coach Freeman's really grown into that job.
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Speaker 3 (12:18):
Can I ask you I want I wanna.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I wanna put you on the spot again because I
always suck up to you and say nice stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I'm gonna get that. IMNA ask you a really tough question.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I want to This is totally off the beaten path,
doesn't mean anything, and you're in where you're at for
a big speech.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I want to tell us.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
This fascinates me because I was talking to you before
we went on the air and I was saying I
love coaching, I love it, and I said, urban did
you ever in your career because I was.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I was before we went on the air.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
We were talking about coaches who I liked, but I
didn't like a certain game plan. I said, did you
ever have a bad game plan? And you said, oh,
my lord, course I did. I remember last year Harbaugh
had one against Jacksonville in an NFL game, and I'm like,
that game was over an eight. I'm like, oh my god,
Liam Cohen, just circle the wagons. When you're a coach
and you go into a season and you look at
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your roster and you know, Okay, I got Ohio State talent.
I should win these games. You ever overthink a big game?
Do you Do you ever think going up, I'm going
to hide stuff because I got a big game in
two weeks. Did you ever have a game plan in
your career? Like?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
What was I thinking?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Oh? Many many times?
Speaker 4 (13:27):
And I mean I look back now and I've talked
to people about this.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Friends of mine and the profession.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
The big games we were really good at and that
was myself and our staff. You look at our record
in the top ten matchups, the Bowl games, the National
Championship games, where we strewed up calling a couple of times,
we lost some games we should lose. You know, we
lost Iowa one year, beat the hell out of us,
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Perdue one year, beat the hell out of us. And
I look back now, and of course that's my fault.
You know, maybe you know when it's big game time,
that's when I just felt my very best, and that's
when I felt my staff and I've pushed our staff
so hard, and I think I took my foot off
the accelerator as far as pushing my staff really hard,
and some of those I think, I mean, that's when
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you look back and say, why were we so good?
Because my offensive defense coordinator, coaching staff was on point
in those big games. How in the hell are you
losing games a year double ditch favorites to And of
course I take responsibility. So to answer your question, every
coach has had some awful game plans that you just
kick yourself in the you know, you kick yourself for
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when you lose that game.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
And you don't know it ten minutes before kickoff, do you.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I hate to say this a couple of times I
did a couple of times. You just you don't feel
good about it, You don't feel good about it, and
then the players don't lie you know, there's other times
you can look at that quarterback and that kid's ready
to rock and roll. In the other times you just
so I would tell, yeah, why do you bring that
up now? I was trying to join myself now pissed off.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Because I'm so fascinated by it, because I always.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Think I write them all down here in a minute.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Well, you know, I think this because you and Bob
Stoops are the two coaches in my life that retired
and you could have still coached for seven years and
won multiple national championship. Only two guys in my life. Really, seriously,
you and Stoops are packing it in and you're gonna
go have a great life. And I'm like, wait a minute,
time out. I don't like you don't retire, what are
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you doing? I like college football, so I still think.
Sometimes I'll watch a game and I'll watch you and
I think, oh, Urban misses that Saturday. He misses that Saturday.
You miss it a little bit. Oh, of course we
all do. I know coach Stoops misses a little bit.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I know Nick Saban miss is a little bit, but
I also know there's no chance go back.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
I enjoy watching it.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Good seniors, OHA's Urban Great Senia.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Yeah, all the best men, You're the best.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
All right, thanks. I hope I didn't ruin this day there.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
I just ye.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I love that stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I love John On talking to coaches and say, okay,
give me your favorite play call of all time in
a big spot and they all remember it. They're all
like a steel trap or do you ever have do
you ever have a game you just you knew, You're like,
oh crap. Two series in Mike Bolotti it was Oregon coach.
He gave me great advice years ago. I said, you know,
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do you know if you watch Mike Bolotti when he
coached at Oregon, he got him the number two in
the country. The first two series of the game, Mike
would line up. He taught me this. He would line
up on the ball because Oregon didn't get during the
Blody tenured great defensive tackle talent, the West Coast didn't
have as much as maybe a Texas or something or
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the South. And he said he would line up on
the ball. And he said, if we're getting there were
times there was a Stanford team that did this.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
He's like, oh, yeah, we're not going to stop him.
We're going to change the game.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Plan and like he would know two series in, we
got to make adjustments. We got to increase the tempo,
Like he goes a lot of things on film you think,
but you don't know, and you got to get right
on the ball. Look at the line of scrimmage. Who
wins the push? And sometimes on film you're like, I
think we match up with them in two series and
you're like, we don't match up with them. We've got
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to change the splits. We got to start rolling out.
So it's fascinating to listen to coaches, and it's very
rare when coaches will give you a little bit of
that sauce, a little bit of that insight. But I
mean when I see Urban off the air and I
ask them about question, it's always about schematics and game planned.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
It's fascinating part of the sport.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Well, you know, when you're at a place of Ohio
State or Alabama or the biggest programs. Those kids that
beat his Ohio State team at Purdue, they will talk
about that till the day they die. That is the
biggest moment of their college career. Right in Ohio State.
Those players they were part of those three or four
years of that program.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
They'll never really talk about it.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
They'll talk about the national championships, the playoff runs. So
it's you know, in the NFL you have so much
more margin for air because you can lose five games,
win twelve, right, and you beat the two seed. In college,
now you have a little more room with the playoffs.
But before you know, it's one thing of your Ohio
State getting up for Texas or Michigan or Penn State
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or now Oregon.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
It's another thing when you get the Rutgers and the produce.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
It's kind of understandable being a twenty year old not
taking them as seriously.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It's honestly kind of crazy. Doesn't happen more often.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, I remember years ago, it's a true story. Ohio
State played LSU in the National championship. Jim Tressel was
the coach of Ohio State and I think I'm fuzzy here,
but I think Urban was the coach at Florida and
he was up at the other place I used to work,
and I asked him off the air, I said, I
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think LSU is better, and Urban in two minutes broke
down how the game was going to work because he
knew LSU really well, and of course he knows Ohio State.
I mean, he's a Midwest guy, and he said, here's
what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
That was the one.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I think.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Maurice Colorette had a big run early for a touchdown,
then they just Ohio State just didn't have. That was
an LSU had two backs, two receivers, two tie more players,
and Urban literally told me exactly how the game was
going to turn out and the spread. He said, l
one by two touchdowns Ohio State has. They'll be good early,
but you're gonna find mid second quarter you're gonna feel
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like this game is getting out of hand. It was
the exact game and I went on the air and
I didn't you know, I said, hey, I just got
a feeling about this game. Here's what it's going to
look like, and I laid it out. It was basically
Urban's view of it, which was LSU's just going to
as the game goes, gonna have too many, too much
depth of skill, a third great corner, a second to
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third good tight end.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
And he was right. Anyway, Urban Meyer Matt Hasselbeck crushed it.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Today.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
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Speaker 1 (20:00):
Good to be back from VAK. Really is have the
Dodgers ruined baseball? Yet? I'm trying to keep track.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Come on, that's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
We're not going to have a strike because when the
money's rolling, when the gravy trains rolling for rich guys,
you'll move the shells around a little bit. We'll number
move a comma there. They're not giving up this momentum.
Baseball's booming right now, sports great fast runs. All the Dodgers,
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the Yankees, the Cubs all made moves at the deadline.
By the way, big big market, big payroll Toronto in
the tank sellers, Mets sellers, Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs buyers at
the trade deadline. So and the small market brewers are
still crushing. John Middlecoff with the.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
News No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
This is the Herd line news.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Well, Andy Reid told reporters the mahone is looking good
at practice as he works back from the ACL Reid, well,
he's been noncommittal about Mahomes seeing any action in the preseason.
Something you know, Andy is historically liked to do play
as starters.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
He did say that the three time Super Bowl MVP. Quote.
Sure looks sharp out there, Colin.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
I mean these guys now, Daniel Jones, this guy towards
ACL with a couple of games remaining the season, not
like he tore it. Like you remember when Tom Brady
came back right the following year. Told Tour that week one,
this is the modern medicine. The ability to recover from
knees and achilles, now, it's truly incredible.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
He's got a fortified run game with Kenneth Walker. I
think they feel good about left and right tackle. I
think right tackle is going to be Jalen Moore, who
you know about. He was the backund of San Francisco
behind Trent. They thought so highly of it they brought
him in and he was a non starter, So he's
going to be right. They have the Ohio State kid
left tackle, Creed Humphrey's best center in the sport. So
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they're in a pretty good spot up front. When Mahomes
has had protection, regardless of personnel around him, he's been
really good.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
One key to me for the Chiefs is defense.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
You know they drafted three guys right in the top
forty because they had the high pick. They traded McDuffie
for the late first round pick, and they had an
early second round pick. They got two defensive linemen and
the corner from LSU. If two of three of those
guys are impact rookies, we know how good Spags is Defensively,
they could bounce back, run the ball and just kind
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of be a grinded out team.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
As they've been the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
If Chris Jones can have a little bit of a
bounce back year, he's passed his prime, but he didn't
have a great year. If he could have a little
bit of a bounce back year, they're a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I agree, Well, you know your favorite team, the Bears.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
The hype going into year two of Ben Johnson is real,
and in part because some of the young players they
traded away Dj Moore to Buffalo. I think that's because
Ben Johnson's favorite player in the NFL is Luther Burden,
and he said to take a much larger role in
Chicago's offense. Here's how excited Ben Johnson currently is.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
They kind of flip the switch when they go on
the field and they just they feel like that they're
invincible and that they're the best players out there, Saint
Brown in Detroit, who I have a strong affinity for.
He plays the game the same way I feel that
from Luther, and I know he didn't. It wasn't a
full time starter force a year ago, but the snaps
that he did had He's got that competitive, competitive edge
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and desire to be great, and it's carried over throughout
the spring and summer as well.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, Luther really, Loveland and Luther Burden really became Caleb's
favorite targets. That's why I think they thought DJ Moore
was expendable. Is the emergence of Luther Burden. Roma Dunze
has been a disappointment, but the tight ends are good.
Colston Loveland became kind of Kelsey to Mahomes. It really
was who Caleb was looking for in big spots on
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kind of an assistant basis.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
I mean we talk a lot about front office gms
how much they love certain players.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Coaches can be the same.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
And Ben Johnson last year and his first draft, his
hands were all over the Loveland and Luther Burden pick.
You know a lot of people were stunned when they
took Loveland because they already have comet.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
They already have some other and.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
It's like you could tell by the end of the year,
Loveland's their guy for the next ten years.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
And Luther Burden there were some question marks off the field,
no one ever disputed his talent.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, and by his.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Second year he's he's comparing him to Saint Brown, who
I would say, pound for pounds like an MMA fighter
meets football.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I mean, he's one of the toughest guys in the league.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
So for him to say that's that's pretty high praise
Colin for I'm going ros Saint Brown's been one of
the most productive guys in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
For five plus years.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I mean, all they're missing really is an edge rusher.
But you know, they said they passed on edge rushing
and their take was, we liked the guys we have
in house. They have Montese Sweat, Jalen Johnson, they have
a pretty good personnel on the back end. They're a
little light to this point at edge rusher, but again
they knew that going into the draft and they said,
we like, we like our personnel in house. So you know,
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that was kind of the first or second pick was like,
get an edge rusher, And there were some good ones,
and they moved in a better direction.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
So we'll see if they pay a price for that.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
I also think Crosby, you know, if the Raiders are
not going to make the playoffs come October, the Bears,
the Cowboys, the Bills, some of these teams, you know,
it's it's pretty easy to see who's going to be
all over him. Speaking of another football team that I know,
you're high on the New York Football Giants. They've they've
had a rough stretch since Tom coffin, right, but you
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know they obviously Jackson Dart last year showed some promise.
Dark commented and Harbaugh's leadership style point out the players
across the entire roster are fully committed to his plan.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
You know one thing that I was thinking of Colin.
You know, Harbaugh is a.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
Special teams defense, tough guy. But in his eighteen almost
he was almost twenty years in Baltimore. He's had two
franchise quarterbacks starting from their rookie year, Flacco and then Lamar.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
So if you're Jackson Dart, I know you're.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Getting not necessarily an offensive coach, but you're getting the
head coach that knows how to deal in nurture quarterbacks,
and Flacco and Lamar couldn't be on the polar opposite
sides of the spectrum, right, One guy six to six
can't move, the other guy's one of the greatest athletes
the league's ever seen, and both of them flourished under Harball.
So if I'm Dart, if I'm Dark's camp, I'm thrilled
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that I got John Harbaugh.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, I think you know there are most great coaches.
It's not schematics, it's culture building. That's what Vrabel did
in New England. That's what Harbaugh did. You know, Shanahan's
one of the rare guys who like, I'm gonna take
over to the play sheet. Mcveigh's as good as McVeigh is,
he's a culture builder first. So I kind of look
at Harbaugh the same way. I've never looked at the
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Harba's as the x's and o's guys. They're motivators, they
have good sense of personnel, they create toughness. I mean,
if you go look at what Jim did in La
Brandon Staley, that was the thirty second best defense. Those
the worst third down defense I'd ever seen third and
long defense, and literally by the first week of his
first year, they were one of the more physical teams
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in the league. I remember when Jim Harbaugh took over Stanford,
they were the worst team in the country. They went
into USC and the Coliseum as a it might have
been a fifty point dog in one. So I don't
know whatever the spread was. But John Harbaugh, to me
is the same. Is that maybe not quite as intense
as Jim, but all his teams are tough. They're not perfect,
(27:35):
but they're tough. It's the Harball way. And I actually
like their personnel. If Andrew Thomas at left tackle can
stay healthy, I think they're a playoff.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Team league Neighbors. I mean, a lot of stuff's going
over the course of the last week. His knee looks
to be trending in the right direction. If they can
get the Malik Neighbors pre injury, you know that their
offense would have a chance, definitely to be pretty explosive.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
John Middlekoff of the News, Well.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd line.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
New boy.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
It's good to be back. It is good to be back.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I'm in the minority here here at the baseball trade deadline.
I don't think we're going to have a lockout. You
have a lockout when you have a because the owners
always have the power. Billionaires have more power than one
hundred millionaires. Okay, so billionaires have multiple companies. Baseball guys,
pro athletes usually have one or two revenue streams, maybe
(28:29):
now three with you know, social media revenue streams. But
they spend money.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
They're young. You know, when you're young, you spend money.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
You're not as you know, you don't have the acumen
with your finances that you know an older businessman has
older businessman. Do you usually find a way to keep
the gravy train going and the money train in baseball?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Now?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I sometimes I worry more about the bottom and of
baseball spending than I do the top. The top doesn't
guarantee anything the metro circus. I don't think the Yankees
are particularly well run. When I watched the Yankees, despite
that payroll, I don't think they're a great defensive team.
I don't think they play station to station baseball. I
don't think they're necessarily great on the basis. They hit
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for power, and they've got some excellent starting pitching. And
the Yankees actually would match up in a series pretty
well because of their starting pitching. With the Dodgers, I
don't think they're as good defensively. I don't think they'd
run the bases as well. But I don't worry about
the top end of baseball. I worry about cheap skates
that these billionaires that don't spend any money. And you know,
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that's what I think hurts the sport. If you ask
yourself what's bad for professional sports, it's always the bottom
third of leagues. The Washington Wizards come to town, hard
to sell tickets, the Colorado Rockies come to town, hard
to sell tickets. The high end of all sports, regardless
of how they get there, is never the problem. That's
(29:55):
Yukon basketball is never the problem with college basketball. The
problem is that two hundred Division one programs that are unwatchable.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
We'll see tomorrow.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Three time national champ Kurt Signetti now leading with his chin.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I think it's funny.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I remember when Steve Spurrier used to be obnoxious and
make fun of the Big ten. So I don't have
a problem with Signetti poking the SEC.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And the ribs.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Lane Kiffin he's poking SEC teams and I like my
college coaches. None wrong with Steve Spurrier and Lane Kiffen
being outspoken, and nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Urban Meyers now.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Joining me live undisclosed location, but I know where he's at.
It's very bougie, very upscale, very luxury. I'm not going
to give it away right there. Hey, by the way,
do you know this? How about this one? I'm going
to give you a little love here. Don't let it
go to your head.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Do you know.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Kyle Whittingham and Ryan Day Michigan Ohio State coach. You
had both those on your staff now that I don't
know in the history of Ohio, I don't know sure
how many coaches have done that. You're in a short list.
Do they have anything in common? I mean they're both
now super successful guys to Ryan Dade Ohio State and
Witningham at Michigan. If I said they have one thing
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in common, what.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Is it, I would say the care of the player.
And what I mean not soft not but they You know,
a lot of times I've been around coaches that it's
very transactional business and they look as a player is
number forty seven. Kyle is not that way at all.
And he actually when I was on my staff at Utah,
(01:54):
I learned a lot from them. His father was a
very successful NFL coach, assistant and coach Utah and just
phenomenal coach.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
But Ryan Day. Ryan Day was the same thing. Ryan
Day was a.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
GA for me at Florida and then obviously coach for
at House State. But the deep care that when you
when you dig into their programs, it's very deep. And
when I say deep, it's about life after football. It's
about making sure they take care of so genuine care
of athlete.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I love that. So great great guys, great guy, great guys.
I love them both, great guys.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, you know, uh, Signetti is fun.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
He's just you know, he's just you know, Spurrier, I mean,
Spurrier never shut up. He liked making fun of Tennessee
An he did, and I was okay. Lane Kiffin the
same way. He can't stop. I don't mind Signetti saying,
you know what, we're a little old Indiana. We just
went sixteen and oh, I'm gonna push back.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I kind of like it. What do you make of it?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I've no Curt Signetti since he was a pet and
I was at Notre Dame. And I don't want to
use the word awkward, but he's just a different guy,
and I really attached the guy. We hung out recruiting,
we hung out, had dinner with State, someone in touch,
and then kind of lost touch for a while until
he I remember he was at Alabama. I believe he's
at Alabama the year that Ohas that we played him
(03:13):
at when I was at Ohio State. But no, I
think he's great. I think he's I think he's very
I think there's a lot of genius behind what he does.
You know, a little bit like Spurrier or Spurrier. You
would look at him and here listen to him, say
what in the hell did he just say?
Speaker 5 (03:28):
But then you think about what he does.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
There's a reason behind I think I got so much
respect for Sagetti.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, you know I was.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I was looking at obviously the Big Ten the last
three years. It's indisputable if you look at the bowl record,
if you look at the playoff record, if you look
head to head Big ten SEC, they've pulled away. It's
not subtle, it's not nuanced. Big tenant right now at
the tops better and I think this is the best
Oregon team ever. I think Ohio State would be my
(03:59):
favorite to win it all. And I think also something
that's hurting the SEC is that Notre Dame in Miami
to me are the biggest threats to the Big Ten.
Notre Dame is you know, the thing that Notre Dame
is when they get those nil guys, they don't leave.
They go to Notre Dame for more than just football.
And Miami is spent in big boy money. When was
the first time Urban Because you coached at Florida for years,
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and you know, personnel bow as well as any college
coach in my life. Jimmy Johnson, nfl U College are
personnel guys. When did you notice, Wow, the gap has closed?
Because I remember six seven years ago i'd watch I'd
watch only Ohio State to me looked like an SEC team.
After that it wasn't the same. When's the first time
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you looked and said, oh, the Big ten's caught up?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And maybe more.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I think that near the end of my career, you
had Penn State, the Wolf Raines, and the Buckeyes that
were starting to me looked like SEC looking teams. And
what I mean that, I mean not just the size
up front, because Big ten's big upfront as long as
you can say the word big ten. The difference is
the athleticism upfront. That's always been the SEC advantage. And
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I would like to say that o'haste was the first
team that brought the SEC mentality recruiting too, the Big ten,
But obviously James Franklin was a great recruiter, spent time
in the SEC, and then Jim Harbaugh is a hell
of recruiter. So two those three teams started looking very
SEC is near the end of my career, and then
you at Oregon.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
USC Washington in UCLA. Not so much UCA is.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
As far as their talent right now, but in the
last three years when the Wolverine won the national title,
that's when I say, wait a minute, now, that looks
like those are SEC looking team.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
But I'm going to add this, Collin. Also, the big ten.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Stadiums are very SEC like they were not when I
was hired in twenty twelve.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
It wasn't even close. Man.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
The teams weren't close, the venues weren't closed, the passion
of the fans wasn't close. It's caught up and like
you said last year and bypassed the SEC.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So listen, Notre Dame USC are going to play again,
jen Co and the ad at USC said, we don't
hate Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
We just want to play him early in the season.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
We don't want to have to play him after we
played Ohio State or Penn State in the snow. We
just want to move it up. So they got that
thing re signed. But I want to talk about Lincoln Riley.
I have had this discussion a dozen times with friends
in la Is. I know I always judge a coach initially,
is he good on his side of the ball first
couple of years. Listen, he may be inheriting a mess
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that could be cultural issues, personnel issues. But if a
defensive coach has the defense the elite, he knows what
he's doing. So the offense at USC is not a problem.
But I would argue this part of Lincoln Riley is
unproven and I don't know if he's great at that.
And that is culture. He inherited Stoop's momentum. He didn't
get it now. He won games, won eleven games, but
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the culture was built. My knock on USC as they
go on the road, it's a different football team. Don't
even look like the same team. Is he a culture?
Is that the jury out? The jury is out for
me on that is it? For you?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Still?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
It is?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Because I have a lot of respect like all of
us do with a profession. Lincoln Riley colleing plays running offense.
But that's only a if you dig in. That's just
really a small part of your job as a head coach.
You can hire a lot of people to call them
good games. You can't hire a lot of people to
build a culture. Recruit to a culture, demand a culture.
And that's at the end of the day, how you win.
(07:40):
It's not offense. There's a lot of great offenses out there,
a lot of great defenses out there. So I think
this is I don't want to say make or break,
but we're getting pretty close to that. Yeah, and USC,
and I've said this hundreds of times, USC is enigma.
To me, I do not understand when you just as
a coach, someone of has been in profession, how in
the world are you not in the playoffs? At USC?
(08:02):
They got it all. To me, it's the other enigmas Florida.
How do you do that? How's that? And I believe
they both have the right coaches. I believe that this
will be a great year for USC. And I brought
up Florida. I think Florida's getting ready to make a run.
But those are you start checking boxes? Colin, they got.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
It all well.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
You coached at Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I didn't know if Notre Dame would be good in
the NIL era. I knew Texas would spend money. I
knew USC would, I knew Ohio State would. I knew
you know, I'm a little surprised Miami got so good,
so fast. I didn't know anything about Indiana, but Notre Dame,
I'm like, it's very academic, very proud. They're not going
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to sell the farm out. And I got to tell you,
I look at their talent right now. Urban It's like
with the lou Holt stays like it matches up with everybody.
Are you surprised because we know Marcus Freeman's good, that's
been established, But are you surprised in the nil era
they checks they have great players and they had it
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almost feels like it's empowered them. Does that surprise you?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
It does?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
And I was there and lou Holts hired me in
nineteen ninety six and I was told directly, we will
not pay our coaches. Whether the coaches get paid, you're
not allowed. We weren't allowed to have a cell phone.
Other schools had cell phones. Notre Dame did not allow
us on the road because Notre Dame doesn't need that.
We were in offices that were you know, I don't
want to get too deep. It's awful. I mean just
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the facilities were awful. We didn't have training table for
our players. And it kept coming back to me because
I would push on it a little bit we don't
do that.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
We're Notre Dame. We don't need to do that.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
That's where I gave recently Brian Kelly a lot of
credit that he pushed on everything and as a result,
now Notre Dame, you see the new facility.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
They're open.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
It's the finest, I think, the finest in the land.
Notre Dame is opening. I want to say, one hundred
plus million dollar facoda. I saw the video. I asked
some friends still in Notre Dame said, you will not
believe what we've done here. So Notre Dame, whoever it
had to go from the top the president on the
way down, said, you know what, we will never ever
get caught falling behind again because you can say what
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you want. And I know because I was there, we
fell behind. I had a chance to be careful.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
I say this. I had a chance to be the
head coach at Notre.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Dame, I know, and I picked Florida because of that reason.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Yep, Notre Dame was set in their way.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Said we are not going to follow the ways of
everyone else because we're Notre Dame. And I said, okay,
I'm good, I understand that. Because you are Notre Dame,
but by the way, I'm going to go try to
go win a national title somewhere.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
No, I heard that.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
So you can't win a title there now? You can
win it there now? Oh, absolutely, you couldn't. You're back,
you can win it there now.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I like their quarterback. You're good with quarterback? Ce J Carr.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
What do you make of him? I think he's I
think he may be the best. All these guys.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Know.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Everybody loves arch Manning and saying I get it, I
get it. I is he the best quarterback in college?
He's certainly one of the top three.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
My top three are saying Dante Moore at Oregon, I
love that kid, and CJ.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Carr.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
You look at Notre dames schedule Colin They're a double
digit favorite till November. Double digit favorite until November. Yeah,
that's what you.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
By the way, Notre Dame won't admit this, But and
the reason they were mad that they didn't get the
USC game.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
They need the USC game.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
USC plays Ohio State, Oregon, Indiana. The USC's fine. Notre Dames,
look at that schedule, Oh my lord.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
And they got the right coach.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
That guy's really Coach Freeman's really grown into that job.
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Speaker 3 (12:18):
Can I ask you I want I wanna.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I wanna put you on the spot again because I
always suck up to you and say nice stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I'm gonna get that. IMNA ask you a really tough question.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I want to This is totally off the beaten path,
doesn't mean anything, and you're in where you're at for
a big speech.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I want to tell us.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
This fascinates me because I was talking to you before
we went on the air and I was saying I
love coaching, I love it, and I said, urban did
you ever in your career because I was.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I was before we went on the air.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
We were talking about coaches who I liked, but I
didn't like a certain game plan. I said, did you
ever have a bad game plan? And you said, oh,
my lord, course I did. I remember last year Harbaugh
had one against Jacksonville in an NFL game, and I'm like,
that game was over an eight. I'm like, oh my god,
Liam Cohen, just circle the wagons. When you're a coach
and you go into a season and you look at
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your roster and you know, Okay, I got Ohio State talent.
I should win these games. You ever overthink a big game?
Do you Do you ever think going up, I'm going
to hide stuff because I got a big game in
two weeks. Did you ever have a game plan in
your career? Like?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
What was I thinking?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Oh? Many many times?
Speaker 4 (13:27):
And I mean I look back now and I've talked
to people about this.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Friends of mine and the profession.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
The big games we were really good at and that
was myself and our staff. You look at our record
in the top ten matchups, the Bowl games, the National
Championship games, where we strewed up calling a couple of times,
we lost some games we should lose. You know, we
lost Iowa one year, beat the hell out of us,
(13:54):
Perdue one year, beat the hell out of us. And
I look back now, and of course that's my fault.
You know, maybe you know when it's big game time,
that's when I just felt my very best, and that's
when I felt my staff and I've pushed our staff
so hard, and I think I took my foot off
the accelerator as far as pushing my staff really hard,
and some of those I think, I mean, that's when
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you look back and say, why were we so good?
Because my offensive defense coordinator, coaching staff was on point
in those big games. How in the hell are you
losing games a year double ditch favorites to And of
course I take responsibility. So to answer your question, every
coach has had some awful game plans that you just
kick yourself in the you know, you kick yourself for
(14:35):
when you lose that game.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
And you don't know it ten minutes before kickoff, do you.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I hate to say this a couple of times I
did a couple of times. You just you don't feel
good about it, You don't feel good about it, and
then the players don't lie you know, there's other times
you can look at that quarterback and that kid's ready
to rock and roll. In the other times you just
so I would tell, yeah, why do you bring that
up now? I was trying to join myself now pissed off.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Because I'm so fascinated by it, because I always.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Think I write them all down here in a minute.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Well, you know, I think this because you and Bob
Stoops are the two coaches in my life that retired
and you could have still coached for seven years and
won multiple national championship. Only two guys in my life. Really, seriously,
you and Stoops are packing it in and you're gonna
go have a great life. And I'm like, wait a minute,
time out. I don't like you don't retire, what are
(15:26):
you doing? I like college football, so I still think.
Sometimes I'll watch a game and I'll watch you and
I think, oh, Urban misses that Saturday. He misses that Saturday.
You miss it a little bit. Oh, of course we
all do. I know coach Stoops misses a little bit.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I know Nick Saban miss is a little bit, but
I also know there's no chance go back.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
I enjoy watching it.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Good seniors, OHA's Urban Great Senia.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Yeah, all the best men, You're the best.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
All right, thanks. I hope I didn't ruin this day there.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
I just ye.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I love that stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I love John On talking to coaches and say, okay,
give me your favorite play call of all time in
a big spot and they all remember it. They're all
like a steel trap or do you ever have do
you ever have a game you just you knew, You're like,
oh crap. Two series in Mike Bolotti it was Oregon coach.
He gave me great advice years ago. I said, you know,
(16:21):
do you know if you watch Mike Bolotti when he
coached at Oregon, he got him the number two in
the country. The first two series of the game, Mike
would line up. He taught me this. He would line
up on the ball because Oregon didn't get during the
Blody tenured great defensive tackle talent, the West Coast didn't
have as much as maybe a Texas or something or
(16:41):
the South. And he said he would line up on
the ball. And he said, if we're getting there were
times there was a Stanford team that did this.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
He's like, oh, yeah, we're not going to stop him.
We're going to change the game.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Plan and like he would know two series in, we
got to make adjustments. We got to increase the tempo,
Like he goes a lot of things on film you think,
but you don't know, and you got to get right
on the ball. Look at the line of scrimmage. Who
wins the push? And sometimes on film you're like, I
think we match up with them in two series and
you're like, we don't match up with them. We've got
(17:11):
to change the splits. We got to start rolling out.
So it's fascinating to listen to coaches, and it's very
rare when coaches will give you a little bit of
that sauce, a little bit of that insight. But I
mean when I see Urban off the air and I
ask them about question, it's always about schematics and game planned.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
It's fascinating part of the sport.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Well, you know, when you're at a place of Ohio
State or Alabama or the biggest programs. Those kids that
beat his Ohio State team at Purdue, they will talk
about that till the day they die. That is the
biggest moment of their college career. Right in Ohio State.
Those players they were part of those three or four
years of that program.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
They'll never really talk about it.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
They'll talk about the national championships, the playoff runs. So
it's you know, in the NFL you have so much
more margin for air because you can lose five games,
win twelve, right, and you beat the two seed. In college,
now you have a little more room with the playoffs.
But before you know, it's one thing of your Ohio
State getting up for Texas or Michigan or Penn State
(18:12):
or now Oregon.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
It's another thing when you get the Rutgers and the produce.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
It's kind of understandable being a twenty year old not
taking them as seriously.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It's honestly kind of crazy. Doesn't happen more often.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, I remember years ago, it's a true story. Ohio
State played LSU in the National championship. Jim Tressel was
the coach of Ohio State and I think I'm fuzzy here,
but I think Urban was the coach at Florida and
he was up at the other place I used to work,
and I asked him off the air, I said, I
(18:45):
think LSU is better, and Urban in two minutes broke
down how the game was going to work because he
knew LSU really well, and of course he knows Ohio State.
I mean, he's a Midwest guy, and he said, here's
what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
That was the one.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I think.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Maurice Colorette had a big run early for a touchdown,
then they just Ohio State just didn't have. That was
an LSU had two backs, two receivers, two tie more players,
and Urban literally told me exactly how the game was
going to turn out and the spread. He said, l
one by two touchdowns Ohio State has. They'll be good early,
but you're gonna find mid second quarter you're gonna feel
(19:19):
like this game is getting out of hand. It was
the exact game and I went on the air and
I didn't you know, I said, hey, I just got
a feeling about this game. Here's what it's going to
look like, and I laid it out. It was basically
Urban's view of it, which was LSU's just going to
as the game goes, gonna have too many, too much
depth of skill, a third great corner, a second to
(19:41):
third good tight end.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
And he was right. Anyway, Urban Meyer Matt Hasselbeck crushed it.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Today.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays
and noon Easter non am Pacific.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Good to be back from VAK. Really is have the
Dodgers ruined baseball? Yet? I'm trying to keep track.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Come on, that's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
We're not going to have a strike because when the
money's rolling, when the gravy trains rolling for rich guys,
you'll move the shells around a little bit. We'll number
move a comma there. They're not giving up this momentum.
Baseball's booming right now, sports great fast runs. All the Dodgers,
(20:31):
the Yankees, the Cubs all made moves at the deadline.
By the way, big big market, big payroll Toronto in
the tank sellers, Mets sellers, Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs buyers at
the trade deadline. So and the small market brewers are
still crushing. John Middlecoff with the.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
News No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
This is the Herd line news.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Well, Andy Reid told reporters the mahone is looking good
at practice as he works back from the ACL Reid, well,
he's been noncommittal about Mahomes seeing any action in the preseason.
Something you know, Andy is historically liked to do play
as starters.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
He did say that the three time Super Bowl MVP. Quote.
Sure looks sharp out there, Colin.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
I mean these guys now, Daniel Jones, this guy towards
ACL with a couple of games remaining the season, not
like he tore it. Like you remember when Tom Brady
came back right the following year. Told Tour that week one,
this is the modern medicine. The ability to recover from
knees and achilles, now, it's truly incredible.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
He's got a fortified run game with Kenneth Walker. I
think they feel good about left and right tackle. I
think right tackle is going to be Jalen Moore, who
you know about. He was the backund of San Francisco
behind Trent. They thought so highly of it they brought
him in and he was a non starter, So he's
going to be right. They have the Ohio State kid
left tackle, Creed Humphrey's best center in the sport. So
(21:59):
they're in a pretty good spot up front. When Mahomes
has had protection, regardless of personnel around him, he's been
really good.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
One key to me for the Chiefs is defense.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
You know they drafted three guys right in the top
forty because they had the high pick. They traded McDuffie
for the late first round pick, and they had an
early second round pick. They got two defensive linemen and
the corner from LSU. If two of three of those
guys are impact rookies, we know how good Spags is Defensively,
they could bounce back, run the ball and just kind
(22:30):
of be a grinded out team.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
As they've been the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
If Chris Jones can have a little bit of a
bounce back year, he's passed his prime, but he didn't
have a great year. If he could have a little
bit of a bounce back year, they're a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I agree, Well, you know your favorite team, the Bears.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
The hype going into year two of Ben Johnson is real,
and in part because some of the young players they
traded away Dj Moore to Buffalo. I think that's because
Ben Johnson's favorite player in the NFL is Luther Burden,
and he said to take a much larger role in
Chicago's offense. Here's how excited Ben Johnson currently is.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
They kind of flip the switch when they go on
the field and they just they feel like that they're
invincible and that they're the best players out there, Saint
Brown in Detroit, who I have a strong affinity for.
He plays the game the same way I feel that
from Luther, and I know he didn't. It wasn't a
full time starter force a year ago, but the snaps
that he did had He's got that competitive, competitive edge
(23:30):
and desire to be great, and it's carried over throughout
the spring and summer as well.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, Luther really, Loveland and Luther Burden really became Caleb's
favorite targets. That's why I think they thought DJ Moore
was expendable. Is the emergence of Luther Burden. Roma Dunze
has been a disappointment, but the tight ends are good.
Colston Loveland became kind of Kelsey to Mahomes. It really
was who Caleb was looking for in big spots on
(23:59):
kind of an assistant basis.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
I mean we talk a lot about front office gms
how much they love certain players.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Coaches can be the same.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
And Ben Johnson last year and his first draft, his
hands were all over the Loveland and Luther Burden pick.
You know a lot of people were stunned when they
took Loveland because they already have comet.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
They already have some other and.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
It's like you could tell by the end of the year,
Loveland's their guy for the next ten years.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
And Luther Burden there were some question marks off the field,
no one ever disputed his talent.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, and by his.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Second year he's he's comparing him to Saint Brown, who
I would say, pound for pounds like an MMA fighter
meets football.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I mean, he's one of the toughest guys in the league.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
So for him to say that's that's pretty high praise
Colin for I'm going ros Saint Brown's been one of
the most productive guys in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
For five plus years.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I mean, all they're missing really is an edge rusher.
But you know, they said they passed on edge rushing
and their take was, we liked the guys we have
in house. They have Montese Sweat, Jalen Johnson, they have
a pretty good personnel on the back end. They're a
little light to this point at edge rusher, but again
they knew that going into the draft and they said,
we like, we like our personnel in house. So you know,
(25:10):
that was kind of the first or second pick was like,
get an edge rusher, And there were some good ones,
and they moved in a better direction.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
So we'll see if they pay a price for that.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
I also think Crosby, you know, if the Raiders are
not going to make the playoffs come October, the Bears,
the Cowboys, the Bills, some of these teams, you know,
it's it's pretty easy to see who's going to be
all over him. Speaking of another football team that I know,
you're high on the New York Football Giants. They've they've
had a rough stretch since Tom coffin, right, but you
(25:40):
know they obviously Jackson Dart last year showed some promise.
Dark commented and Harbaugh's leadership style point out the players
across the entire roster are fully committed to his plan.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
You know one thing that I was thinking of Colin.
You know, Harbaugh is a.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
Special teams defense, tough guy. But in his eighteen almost
he was almost twenty years in Baltimore. He's had two
franchise quarterbacks starting from their rookie year, Flacco and then Lamar.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
So if you're Jackson Dart, I know you're.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Getting not necessarily an offensive coach, but you're getting the
head coach that knows how to deal in nurture quarterbacks,
and Flacco and Lamar couldn't be on the polar opposite
sides of the spectrum, right, One guy six to six
can't move, the other guy's one of the greatest athletes
the league's ever seen, and both of them flourished under Harball.
So if I'm Dart, if I'm Dark's camp, I'm thrilled
(26:31):
that I got John Harbaugh.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, I think you know there are most great coaches.
It's not schematics, it's culture building. That's what Vrabel did
in New England. That's what Harbaugh did. You know, Shanahan's
one of the rare guys who like, I'm gonna take
over to the play sheet. Mcveigh's as good as McVeigh is,
he's a culture builder first. So I kind of look
at Harbaugh the same way. I've never looked at the
(26:54):
Harba's as the x's and o's guys. They're motivators, they
have good sense of personnel, they create toughness. I mean,
if you go look at what Jim did in La
Brandon Staley, that was the thirty second best defense. Those
the worst third down defense I'd ever seen third and
long defense, and literally by the first week of his
first year, they were one of the more physical teams
(27:14):
in the league. I remember when Jim Harbaugh took over Stanford,
they were the worst team in the country. They went
into USC and the Coliseum as a it might have
been a fifty point dog in one. So I don't
know whatever the spread was. But John Harbaugh, to me
is the same. Is that maybe not quite as intense
as Jim, but all his teams are tough. They're not perfect,
(27:35):
but they're tough. It's the Harball way. And I actually
like their personnel. If Andrew Thomas at left tackle can
stay healthy, I think they're a playoff.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Team league Neighbors. I mean, a lot of stuff's going
over the course of the last week. His knee looks
to be trending in the right direction. If they can
get the Malik Neighbors pre injury, you know that their
offense would have a chance, definitely to be pretty explosive.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
John Middlekoff of the News, Well.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd line.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
New boy.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
It's good to be back. It is good to be back.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I'm in the minority here here at the baseball trade deadline.
I don't think we're going to have a lockout. You
have a lockout when you have a because the owners
always have the power. Billionaires have more power than one
hundred millionaires. Okay, so billionaires have multiple companies. Baseball guys,
pro athletes usually have one or two revenue streams, maybe
(28:29):
now three with you know, social media revenue streams. But
they spend money.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
They're young. You know, when you're young, you spend money.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
You're not as you know, you don't have the acumen
with your finances that you know an older businessman has
older businessman. Do you usually find a way to keep
the gravy train going and the money train in baseball?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Now?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I sometimes I worry more about the bottom and of
baseball spending than I do the top. The top doesn't
guarantee anything the metro circus. I don't think the Yankees
are particularly well run. When I watched the Yankees, despite
that payroll, I don't think they're a great defensive team.
I don't think they play station to station baseball. I
don't think they're necessarily great on the basis. They hit
(29:12):
for power, and they've got some excellent starting pitching. And
the Yankees actually would match up in a series pretty
well because of their starting pitching. With the Dodgers, I
don't think they're as good defensively. I don't think they'd
run the bases as well. But I don't worry about
the top end of baseball. I worry about cheap skates
that these billionaires that don't spend any money. And you know,
(29:33):
that's what I think hurts the sport. If you ask
yourself what's bad for professional sports, it's always the bottom
third of leagues. The Washington Wizards come to town, hard
to sell tickets, the Colorado Rockies come to town, hard
to sell tickets. The high end of all sports, regardless
of how they get there, is never the problem. That's
(29:55):
Yukon basketball is never the problem with college basketball. The
problem is that two hundred Division one programs that are unwatchable.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
We'll see tomorrow.
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