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Nick Wright breaks down the Los Angeles Rams trading for CB Trent McDuffie, and what it means for the future of his Kansas City Chiefs. Then, Nick discusses where other stars like Las Vegas Raiders' edge Maxx Crosby and Philadelphia Eagles WR AJ Brown may be traded, and gives his free agency bold predictions. After, Nick debates if Kyler Murray is a future franchise quarterback and if Joe Burrow should leave the Cincinnati Bengals after their mishandling of Trey Hendrickson. Later, Nick and Damonza answer your questions. #Volume
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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a press tour. All right, let's get right to the
news of the day. Demons, which is my lifelong team,
made a trade with my you know, off again on
again NFC team, the Rams. Let's get to it.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
The Chiefs traded probably one of their best players, or
their best players outside of Patrick Mahomes for a nice
hal of picks. Last time Kansas City did something like
this with Tyreek Hill, they went on to make three
Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Do you find this to be a similar move?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So listen, I want to start on McDuffie. McDuffie's an
excellent player. I think he is a good sometimes because
of his size, struggles on the outside, but a good
outside corner and the single best slot corner in football.
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I think he is the best in football at slot corner.
They drafted him as Demons, they mentioned they immediately went
to the next three Super Bowls. Mcduffee had startlets three four,
three two. Mcduffee won the first nine playoff games he
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ever played in his and his rookie year they went
three and oh. His second year they went four and oh.
His third year they went two and oh until the
Super Bowl when they got clocked by the Eagles. Obviously,
he was part of a historic draft class for the
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Chiefs that set up this era of Chiefs football, particularly
on the defensive side of the ball. He was instantly
pro He's excellent. He will be very very good for
the Rams. Okay, nothing, and he's only twenty five. He
was a young player coming out of college, so he's
played four years. He's only twenty five. He got a
(06:13):
little ding last year. He's durable, he's an excellent player,
and I the Rams. Let me add this to it, Demonse,
I think the Rams are more all in than any
team in the league, more than Buffalo, more than Baltimore,
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because their quarterbacks got one maybe two years left. So
I think that the other teams with great quarterbacks have
to weigh trying to win the Super Bowl every year
with staying in contention for a long period of time.
The Rams don't have to weigh that. The Rams are like,
(06:56):
let's go for it right now while we have Matt
Stafford and figure out the play in post Stafford when
we're post Stafford. So I totally get this move from them,
and they got an excellent player at the single biggest
position of need for them. Makes sense. With that said,
(07:18):
I am so glad the Chiefs management still has the
stomach to do things like this, because this is the
only way to stay in perpetual contention. There is only
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one team ever that has done what the Chiefs are
trying to do, which is, for fifteen plus years, be
in the mix basically every single year. I understand last
year was a disaster, but at Week six of last season,
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the Chiefs were the literal Super Bowl favorites. So they
didn't They obviously weren't. They didn't end up as contenders
last year, but the idea that last year was destined
to be a disaster year, they were the favorites to
win the whole thing right around Halloween and so in order,
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the only blueprint for that long of a contending stretch
is the Pats with Belichick and Brady and Bill. Belichick
made moves like this. He traded away Richard Seymour, He
would move on from guys when they got super expensive.
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He would load up on draft picks and try to
restock the talent with young, cost controlled players. It's what
you have to do. And yes, the Chiefs are in
a different position than when they traded Tyrek. When they
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traded Tyrek they weren't coming off a six win season.
They also though when they traded Tyrek were not coming
They are as far removed from the three years before
leading into the Tyrek trade, they won a super Bowl,
they lost the Super Bowl. They lost in the AFC
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Championship Game. The three years leading into this they won
a super Bowl, they lost the Super Bowl. They had
a disaster year. The Tyrek trade netted them the twenty
ninth pick, a second rounder, two fourths and a fifth.
This trade netted them the twenty ninth pick, a third rounder,
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one fourth and a fifth, or as Ian Rappaport would
call it basically fifth round value. Exactly twenty nine, third, fourth, fifth,
basically fifth round value. So they got for Tyreek, they
got a second instead of a third and an additional fourth.
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And you know what, I might have said, what they
got here wrong? They I did. Actually they got the
twenty ninth, a third, a fifth, and a sixth, not
a fourth and a fifth. So my apologies, but the
by the draft charts they got essentially this is maybe
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a better way to do it. It's for people to understand.
By the draft charts, they got the equivalent for McDuffie
of about the twentieth pick of the draft all in,
and for Tyreek they got the equivalent of about the
fourteenth fifteenth pick of the draft. So they got call
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it eighty percent of the value for Trent McDuffie they
got for Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
And situation is so much more different though, considering like
the need of the team, like if the defense is
already having trouble generating our pressure, like trading away your
best cornerback, I think is.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I I understand this obviously for Week one of twenty
twenty six doesn't make the Chiefs better. That's obviously true.
But this was Trent mcduffy is about to become the
single highest paid corner in the NFL because he plays
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on the he's best on the inside instead of on
the outside. That already was going to be a bit
of a tough pill to swallow. But when you have
the highest paid d tackle, the highest paid center, one
of the highest paid guards, and mahomes, you can't. You've
got to make these choices. And here's the reason where
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I went from kind of expecting this move for the
Chiefs and you know, coming to terms with it, to
being outright happy about it. Barnwell, in his off season
Predictions column, called this trade. He called McDuffie to the Rams.
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I think a lot of people thought this was possible,
but Barnwell put what he thought the trade would be demands.
He thought it would be McDuffie plus a fifth from
Kansas City for just the twenty ninth pick. Instead, it
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was McDuffie by himself for the twenty ninth pick plus
a third of fifth and a sixth. So I think
they got such intense value that and the free up
of cap space of he was gonna make thirteen million
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this year. If you wanted to keep him, who's gonna
be thirty million a year to add other players? I
think you just have to make that move. It also
gives them real flexibility in the draft.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I do not think they're gonna move off that ninth pick,
but they are drafting now nine twenty nine and forty,
and I would be surprised if they actually draft twenty
nine and forty. It should be noted they used the
twenty ninth pick from the Tyreek Kiltrade to move up
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to twenty one or twenty two to draft Trent McDuffie,
and so I right now, the Chiefs have the six
best Super Bowl ups. That feels about right to me,
where you've got to see the health of Mahomes. But
they have the ability to go out in free agency
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in the draft and address what are significant weaknesses on
the team right now. And let me also say this,
because Jalen Watson, their other starting corner, seventh round pick,
is gonna hit free agency and get paid a bunch
of money by other people, by somebody else. This is
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the one position on the team the Chiefs believe we
can just coach up. They had They had Marcus Peters,
they traded him to the Rams. They had Javarius Ward,
they let him go sign a huge contract with the Niners.
They had Lagarious Snead, they traded him to the Titans.
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They had Marcus Peters, they traded him to the and
they're letting Jalen Watson, and Jalen Watson kind of his
proof of concepts. He was a seventh round pick same
year as Marcus Peters. He was starting at corner as
a seventh round rookie. They are letting him walk. They
have Noel Williams who was a third rounder last year,
and they're gonna have to address secondary. But they think
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spags that they can scout secondary players, that they can
coach them up, and what they have to get better
at is pass rush, running game, and pass catcher. It's
a lot, I understand, but I think the offensive line
is mostly set and obviously quarterbacks set, and now you
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have some cap space and you have a bunch of
draft picks to go attack. This stuff go ahead.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
It's like a little uh word coming out that Trent
McDuffie his hit would have been about the same as
Kenneth Walker next year, well about fourteen million.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
So here's the thing. He was Kenneth Walker's franchise tag
fourteen would be fourteen million. I think he'll probably sign
for around fourteen million. Yes, you're right. Trent McDuffie was
under contract fifty year option for thirteen point eight or something.
But that wasn't the problem. The problem was he was
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gonna want and it's not a problem. He's earned it
thirty million a year on a new deal and what
And we'll get to the Bengals in a bit. What
immature franchises would do would just be like, well, thirteen
million for McDuffie. That's that's actually not a bad deal,
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let him play out his contract and then either franchise
tag him and then let him walk for nothing, or
after this year, let him walk for nothing. Instead, the
Chiefs were proactive, which you have to be if you
want to contend over a long stretch of time. Now
here's the other piece of it. You have to do.
(17:03):
Hit on these draft picks. In twenty twenty two, they
crushed the draft. In twenty twenty three, they seem to
really well. The verdict right now in the twenty twenty
three draft is it's a disaster. The only truly productive
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player they've gotten from that draft is Rashi Rice, who
has a bunch of his own issues. So that happens.
But now, in order for the Chiefs to continue to
be a list contenders, this draft is gonna have a
lot to do with it. And we'll see what they
you know, what they make of these picks?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
All right?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Go, I know you have some follow ups here, Go ahead, the.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Soul just off of what you did say, Kansas City
has two first what can they do with those picks?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Let's do a likely maybe what if on it.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So listen, I think it is likely that with their
the number nine pick, they address offensive skill position. I
think that's likely. I think that whether it's Jeremiah Love,
whether it's their favorite receiver, it would be a little
(18:18):
rich for me. But maybe the tight end, the number
one tight end that everybody loves. At nine, it feels high.
I think it is likely they do that at nine,
and then at twenty nine they maybe move around a
little up, er a little back and take a pass rusher.
(18:41):
I am of the belief if Ruben Bain is there
at number nine, you've just got to take him. I
the short arms be damned, and it would be utterly
stunning to me if they use either of these first
round picks on offensive line or on corner. I think
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that they are going to go wide receiver, running back,
maybe tight end, and defensive line. Those are the spots
that I think you are going to see those the
first round picks go for. And I think the only
running back would be Jeremiah Love, and I don't know
(19:26):
if he'll be there at nine. All right, I know
you want to talk to Mahomes for a second.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, So after the deal, Mahomes tweeted, damn, how much
are you reading into that?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Do you think that was just support for his teammate.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, listen, I think Patrick understands. I haven't talked to Patrick.
I think he understands the business side of this. I
also think you know, he's won multiple Super Bowls with McDuffie,
likes McDuffie. McDuffie's a good player. You hate to see
him go out the door. But I think Patrick also
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knows whatever you know he had. I would imagine a
very similar relationship and had won a Super Bowl with
Tyreek Hill and saw the same regime trade Tyreek in
a very similar spot at the same time of calendar
and what it turned into the right right, Tyreek has
(20:22):
more of a direct impact on These are the decisions though,
you've got to make. They traded Joe Tooney last year,
like you've got to find ways to restock. And it's
why the Chiefs are not a team that's ever going
to be like we just traded for Max Crosby. We
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just traded multiple that. You don't have that luxury in
my if you want to contend for again fifteen plus years,
which only the Patriots have done. All right, before we
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All right, demand, let's keep going on this trade and
then get to the other stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, So the Rams just cleared up one of their
only needs with that trade. Uh and they still have
the Falcons pick at number thirteen, So now they are
the lone favorites at plus seven to fifty to win
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Do you agree with Vegas there?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I mean it makes a lot of sense the no. No,
he's not going to be a punt returner, so maybe
they do need to address that. But that thirteenth pick
should be an impact player for them. It they have
really struggled on drafting and developing their own corners. Which
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is the traded for Marcus Peters. They traded for Jalen Ramsey,
they traded for Trent McDuffie. So this is, you know, again,
I think they paid a lot. But when you have
thirty eight year old Matt Stafford and you've been banging
on the door and he's the defending league MVP, why
the hell not? And so I you know, if I
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look at the Rams depth chart as we sit here today,
let me just pull it up real quick, I wouldn't
hate them at thirteen demands a considering wide receiver, just
because I don't think DeVante, you know, has probably many
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years left, maybe just one year left. I also wouldn't
hate them going offensive line to shore up that right
side of their offensive line. But in reality, the Rams
don't have many glaring holes.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I mean, the.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Entire secondary needs a lot of work, but it doesn't
seem like they trust themselves on drafting corners. So I
would be, I guess, a little surprised if they draft
a corner at thirteen. I would not be surprised if
they moved down, if they tried to restock some of
the picks they just traded away, you know, by moving
down in the draft. All right, let's get to some
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of the other guys in the trade market and some
of the other rumors.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
So Max Crosby's name is being floated around, He's being
favored to go to Chicago. The asking price for a J.
Brown is now reportedly a Quinn Williams type deal. How
does the McDuffie trade impact the market at the moment?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
So I think the McDuffie trade impacts AJ Brown's price
more than Max Crosby's price, because I think it the
Chiefs got for McDuffie very similar to what the Jets
got for Quinn Williams. The Jets for Quinn Williams got
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a first, a second, and Mazzie Smith, who is you know,
kind of a sunk cost. The Chiefs got a first,
a third, a fifth, and a sixth. So the Chiefs
got ninety two percent of Quinn Williams out of Trent
McDuffie in the trade, and I think the Eagles are
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sitting there saying AJ Brown plays a more premium position.
He's under contract. You know you if you trade for him,
you don't have to immediately make him the top paid
player in the league. So why shouldn't we get a
late first and something else. I think that is going
to be hard for them to get. But could they
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get the thirty first pick straight up from New England
for AJ Brown? I would think so. And here's the
other piece of it, Demons, whatever their best offer is,
I want to know if you agree with me on this,
I think the I think the Eagles have to trade
AJ Brown. Yes, I do not think they can run
(26:57):
it back another year. I think they regret not trading
them at the deadline, and I think they have to
trade them. And so maybe team maybe teams correct, Maybe
teams are gonna use that against them. But I think,
especially with New England having just cut step On Digs,
that you know it's sitting right there for them to
(27:20):
trade and Vrabels with AJ Brown, Crosby's a little more
complicated and Crosby's older than the defensive players that we
have historically seen go for multiple second round picks, and
the Bears having their center, their excellent center, just surprisingly
(27:43):
retire at twenty seven, makes their ability to trade multiple
picks for Max Crosby maybe more in question. So I
I look around the league, and I say, who are
the teams that it would make sense for them to
(28:06):
make that type of move. I wonder if the Chargers,
now I don't know if the Bears would want to try,
I'm sorry, if the Raiders want to trade within the division,
if they would trade for Crosby. I wonder if Washington,
whose defense has been brutal, if they would trade for Crosby.
And I wonder how much pressure, if any, there is
(28:31):
on the Bucks after last season to you know, say, like,
you know what, let's go for it right here. The
Bears were the team that makes the most sense, But
I I think it's trickier because they're center retired, and
I think that makes it.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
You think the oh, you think the Bears have any
pressure on them to win right now?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Being under Calyb's.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
I mean, you do want to take advantage of when
you have the quarterback cheap, but I mean they they
also they win I should know this. The Bears won
the division last year. Yeah, they hosted Round one against
the Packers, they won the division, they won a playoff game,
(29:22):
so like they're right on, right on schedule. But I
do think their defense has to get better and you're
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Let's talk a little a little more NFL before we
get to some sports media takes that really need some butting,
if you will.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Of seven years after taking him at number one, the
Cardinals are splitting ways with Kyler Murray. We all know
you aren't the biggest fan of the shorter quarterbacks. Where
do you stand at on Tyler or Kyler?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I'm stunned how many people are trying to convince themselves.
That's seven years and eighty seven starts into his career.
Kyler Murray is different than what we know he is,
which is a below average NFL starting quarterback. And you
can say below average, that's harsh, it's not. There's thirty
(32:18):
two teams in the league. And if right now I
were to tell you stop me when I say a quarterback,
Kyler's better than Mahomes, Stafford, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Darnold, Caleb May,
Trevor golf Love, Dak Hurtz, Baker, Herbert Jaden. That's sixteen.
(32:44):
That's sixteen. I have not mentioned CJ. Stroud, I have
not mentioned bow Nicks, I have not mentioned Brock Purdy.
I have not mentioned you know, some cam Ward, some
people like Kyle. I'm sorry Bryce though, but that's.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
The it starts to get questionable there. Yeah, the fact,
it's a debate.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Right, So he's at best, the twentieth best quarterback in
football at best, and he is. He does wear down
over the course of the season. He does have shaky
relationships with teammates and front offices, and he does have
(33:32):
very questionable work habits. And that's just who he is.
And so that the Arizona Cardinals last year, the coaching
staff was fighting for its life and Kyler came back
healthy from injury and they were like, yeah, Jacoby Brissett
(33:55):
runs this offense better, We're sticking with it. I don't.
People are trying to convince themselves that Kyler on the
Vikings would be dangerous. Noah wouldn't. Would it be an
upgrade over JJ McCarthy, Sure, would they be dangerous?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
And again, Darnald got like thirty five starts with the Jets,
Gino got thirty starts with the Jets, Baker got I
think fifty some with the Browns and showed something. Kyler
has started eighty seven games. Kyler has started more games
(34:37):
in this league than Joe Burrow. Like, it's not oh,
he hasn't had the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I mean, people are just saying it's the Cardinals though.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, but when he got there, people were like, oh man,
Cliff Kingsbury, it traded for DeAndre Hopkins. People didn't think
that was some terrible mess. Now it turned in to it,
but he was a part of it. And so do
I think Kyler is a starter in this league? Yes? Absolutely?
(35:08):
Do I think that he would be an upgrade over
what the Browns, the Jets, the Steelers, the Vikings are
likely going to go into next season with if they
don't sign him, I do. But do I think that
means there's any contending possibilities? I don't now. The glass
(35:37):
quarter full would be this demonse. This is the first
time in his athletic life he has failed in any way.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, some adversity he is.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I mean seven seasons, no, but I'm saying nim cutting him,
cutting him is the adversity. He he He was the
greatest player in the history of Texas high school football,
the greatest. He also was such a great baseball player.
He was a first round pick for the Oakland A's.
(36:14):
He then went to college, won the Heisman, went number
one in the draft, and instantly as early as they
could have got paid. And so it was just nothing
but everything I'm doing is working. Everything's great, and now
it's a real slap in the face of No, they're
paying you to go away, and you'll probably sign, make sense,
(36:36):
sign for the minimum because this team's going to be
paying you anyway. So maybe that is a come to
Jesus moment.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
But I don't know. I think maybe you should switch
over to baseball.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I feel like it's probably too late for that, but
I think that could have been an option at some point. Listen,
it seems like people loved him as a baseball player,
loved him and he is just a.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Sick elite in baseball.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, let me see if I can. He was the
eighth overall pick the Yeah, I mean he was. I
mean he he's a legendary athlete.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
And the I'm trying to see you guys can ninth
overall pick. Uh, And I mean, God bless him for that.
He has. He has been a major disappointment as an
NFL quarterback. And I don't think again, he is two
months older or two months younger than Darnald, Like, I
(37:57):
just don't think he is this un diamond. We'll see,
but I don't I don't buy it. All right, let's
talk Bengals for a moment.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Uh So the Bengals bought Trey Hendrickson, they failed to
tag him. They're not gonna tag him. They failed to
trade him away get something for him. How should Bengals
fans feel and how should Burrow feel?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
So this is just franchise malpractice. Two. You had Trey Hendrickson.
He led the league in sacks. He wanted a big,
long term deal. You didn't want to give it to him.
He was pissed. You moved some money around a bit
to get him the comeback in It was seventeen and
(38:45):
a half sacks. The next year he responded with another
seventeen and a half sacks and he's like, all right,
now you've gotta pay me. They're like, nope, we're not
doing that. So then he was super pissed. He left
tre camp. It was a whole mess. He then begrudgingly
(39:05):
comes back. You then have last year, Burrow gets hurt
and he's pissed and you know you're not re signing him,
and you don't even trade him for pennies on the
dollar at the deadline. He then never comes back from
his injury, and now you let him walk for nothing.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
It's just such bad business, just indefensibly bad business, and
Burrow should be livid that they either couldn't get a
deal done or couldn't accept they weren't gonna get a
deal done and moved him last.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Off season or the off season before, or at the
very least at the deadline. And to lose Trey Hendrickson
for nothing's eat outrageous. Now I do think he will.
I think you can make an argument, how old is
(40:10):
Hendrickson thirty two? That might be old.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I mean he was younger than that.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
No, No, he's thirty one.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Oh the.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So he is. And Max Crosby is twenty eight. I
should have looked these up before him. Bad job and me.
I apologize, but I got it right. Max Crosby's twenty
eight turns twenty nine in August. If I were running
(40:46):
a team, demonse, I would rather sign Trey Hendrickson in
free agency for good money rather than trade multiple firsts
for Max Crosby for and then resign him to huge money.
(41:07):
Crosby's a better player, and Crosby's got more years in
front of him. But the fact that you can sign
one guy and you'd have to trade multiple.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Picks for the other guy. So good.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
And so here's the other question I have about Trey,
because Trey, listen, he was underpaid, but it's not like
he had never been paid. So Trey Hendrickson up to
this point in his career has made ninety five million bucks.
He was making twenty million a year on this contract
(41:44):
with the Bengals, basically five year, twenty million ish dollar
deal after his rookie deal. If Trey wants one last
huge payday, he has earned it, and God bless him.
I do wonder if he might want to stick it
(42:05):
to the Bengals, And if he does, I think the Patriots,
the Bills, the Ravens, Yes, should call Yeah is particularly
the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Like in the division all four of those teams desperately
need pass rush help and be like, yeah, I'm sticking
around and I'm right for the Ravens twice a year
and for the other teams maybe if the Bengals ever
make the playoffs again. So I I've said this before,
(42:43):
I'll say it again. There is a lot of Burrow
Sincy that reminds me of Breeze, New Orleans, where right
after he got there, they make it to a Super
Bowl Breeze won, Burrow didn't, and then those same went
seven to nine three years in a row. They missed
the playoffs a lot, and then at the tail end
(43:06):
had it like a three to four year period of
super high contention again at the tail end of Breeze's time,
but never made another Super Bowl where you are wasting
big portions of this player's career even though he is
super highly productive, because you can't get the defensive side
of the ball right. And that's a damn shame. All right,
(43:30):
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(44:18):
my pals have a podcast together. It's called Game Over.
One is my buddy, Rich Paul, who you met and
hung out with a couple weeks ago, and the other
is Max Kellerman, who I once didn't officially intern for him,
but I interned for the radio show before his radio show,
and he and I haven't spent much time together since.
(44:40):
We've come across each other a couple times. But I
really like Max, like I. I have about as much
respect for Max as anybody who does what I do.
And Jordan came up on their latest pod. I'll let
you take it from there.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Uh yeah, So the latest pod, Rich Paul Max Kellerman
said that if MJ played today, he would average a
forty point triple double. For a little bit of context,
Will is the only player ever to average forty in
a season, and only three players ever have averaged a
triple double.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
So yeah, so listen, I don't even care about the
triple double piece because Jordan, I do. I think Jordan
averaging a triple double today. Sure, maybe he almost did
it the one year he played point guard for the Bulls.
It can be done. Jordan obviously is a demonstrably better
(45:39):
player than Ross. Ross has averaged a bunch of triple
doubles I I, and so no problem. The forty pointed
game thing with Jordan in today's game, here is the problem.
And this is why I'm so stunned. Max said it
because one of the reasons I have so much respect
(46:01):
for Max. It's kind of like arrogant. The reason I
have so much respect for Max.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Is because you guys have like so much of me.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yes, I'm like, man, that guy's smart. I like how
he makes arguments. A lot of it is just he
reminds me of myself. So that's kind of a but regardless,
Max very often in his arguments, does what you've got
to do if you're gonna have a sound argument, which
(46:31):
is tease it out and realize the full implications of
your argument and the full implications of Michael Jordan could
average forty a game. Are so then the guys who
when Jordan was averaging twenty nine averaged twenty eight, they
(46:56):
would in today's game be thirty eight thirty seven point
a game. And the guys today who are the best
scorers back then would be in the low twenties. So
let's right, because it can't only apply to Michael the
nineties deflation and contemporary inflation. So let's let's just grab
(47:20):
some Michael Jordan seasons. So if you're saying Michael Jordan
in ninety two, a lot of people think that is
peak Jordan, second Bowls Championship, the best team, he's got
it all figured. He averaged thirty point one points per game,
(47:40):
Dominique Wilkins averaged and Carl Malone both averaged exactly twenty eight.
So nineteen ninety two, Dominique Wilkins in today's game, we're
giving him thirty seven a night. I'm not Chris Mullen
excellent player? Was it twenty five and a half and
(48:03):
he wasn't even better of you know, a great shooter
on you know, three point shooter. So Chris Mullins thirty
five a game in today's Europe It hard for me
to you know, hard for me to wrap my mind around.
But that's the implication. Ninety five, Michael was thirty two
(48:25):
and a half and Dominique was thirty, Karl Malone twenty seven.
So all those guys, once again, they're gonna be in
the high to mid thirties in today's game. The next year,
by the way, when Michael was retired, David Robinson averaged
(48:45):
thirty a game. So in today's game, the Admiral is
thirty eight and a half a night. I don't think so.
But let's take it a step further and do the
best scores of this era. And what Because what you're
(49:06):
saying is scoring is so much easier today that those
guys in Michael's era, when thirty was the high water
mark then and thirties basically the high water mark. Now,
those guys would struggle. So you're telling me peak, okc
(49:32):
Kevin Durant, who never averaged more than thirty two a game,
you drop him into the nineties. He's a twenty four
point per game guy. That's what we're saying. Because if
you're saying you're gonna give a twenty five percent boost
to the scores of the nineties and today, then you've
(49:54):
got to take a twenty five percent tax on the
scores of today in the nineties. So Pete Kevin Durant,
if he's dropped into nineteen ninety two, is looking up
at Chris Mullen and Clyde Drexler on the scoring list.
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
He really probably is averaging at that time.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Well, no, I don't think that either, because it was
no just the game was slower, there were less possessions.
It was it was the it was harder. But maybe
you think it wouldn't mattered. But the other thing that happens,
and this is what Max said, and this is just maddening,
and I've talked about this before. People pretend that the
(50:48):
one weakness in Michael's game three point shooting, was a
weakness by choice, like, well, if you wanted to be good,
he would be good as if he was shack and
never shot, when in reality, there was a brief stretch
of time when Jordan was a good three point shooter.
(51:12):
Because of that, he shot a lot of them for
the era, and that period was when they moved the
line in, and as soon as they moved the line
back out, he went from thirty seven percent shooting for
a game, which was a lot for the mid nineties,
to twenty three percent shooting one and a half a game.
(51:35):
And then after he had three years of retirement, seeing that, oh,
guys are shooting more and more threes, and my athleticism
isn't what it once was. He came back and was
a nice, crisp nineteen percent three point shooter. Again. He
might be the greatest player of all time. There is
(51:57):
a strong argument for that. But the idea ida that
he just chose to be bad at something, rather than
it was the one thing he wasn't great at. The
idea that because he he took over seventeen hundred threes
(52:19):
in his career. And if you again, if you I'm
trying to do I should have done this beforehand, but
when in his career, because his career three point numbers
don't actually look awful. It's thirty two point seven, that's fine,
but if you remove the years where they moved the
(52:40):
line in, So the years where they moved the line
in Michael from three was thirty nine percent and the
years where it was the regular line was twenty nine percent.
We don't have to make stuff up. I'm not going
to sit here and say, you know, if Lebron really
(53:02):
wanted to, he'd be a ninety percent free throw shooter.
He just chooses not to be. No, you just it's
not as good as he is, as hard as he works,
it's not for him to be a ninety percent free
throw shooter. So but again, if you believe Michael Jordan
would average forty in today's game, then you must believe
(53:24):
Dominique would average thirty eight and peak Kevin Durant in
the nineties would average like twenty three. I don't think
he actually believed it. Maybe more on this sports media
on Budsman on the show later today, all right, speaking
(53:45):
of sports media on Budsman, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
All right, round two. Earlier this week, Stephen A.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
Smith took a shot at Zion Williamson, calling him a
food addict. This followed with a Twitter war with the
Pelicans social team and a twelve minute rant on first
take by Steve A.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Smith. The Pelicans aren't even relevant? So why why what's
going on here? You wanted to So.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Here's why I want to discuss this. I I think
the obvious take that people expect from me here is
how big it's about stephen A's ego. Right, The obvious
(54:28):
take is you have one of, if not the biggest
sports show in the country, and because the Pelicans social
media team put up funny clips of you, you know,
at your not at your athletic prime, just spend twelve
minutes defending yourself, you know, doing going at them just
(54:55):
a waste of everyone's time because you can't be the
butt of a joke, like you don't want to laugh
at yourself. Like that's where people expect me to go
with this. That is not where I'm going with this.
Where I'm going with this is we as a public
(55:20):
need to convince stephen A this is the good stuff.
This is what we want. Please like feed that trough
because this, unlike his Iranian war takes and everything he's
(55:47):
doing on that political show, this is harmless fun. And
you know what if you want to explain how actually
you've got a sick jump shot and you want to
talk about and you want to go after the Pelicans
social media team, and you want to say, with a
(56:08):
straight face into the camera, I am more famous than
everyone on the team than the Pelicans. You know what,
God love you. That is what we're here for. That's
the good stuff. More of that, less of geopolitical takes,
(56:29):
more of that, less of flirting with running for the presidency.
That is where I mean. We are in a perilous
timeline where both of the longtime prestige hosts of First
(56:51):
take stephen A and Skip have felt like, well, I've
waited long enough time for the public to get my
takes on the war in the Middle East. Skip did
it with his dog and his wife. Stephen A does
it on it was serious. I don't know, guys, don't
(57:15):
need it, don't want it, didn't ask for it. Skip,
love you, buddy, give us. I saw a clip come
across my timeline the other day where Skip was like,
and this is why Bronnie has a better clutch gene
than bron And I'm like, you know what a plus
ten out of ten? T why you're the goat? Stephen
A looking doing twelve minutes down barrel about why he's
(57:40):
more famous than everyone on the Pelicans and talking about
Zion hiding food under his bed. Chef's kiss no pun
intended perfect, more of that, less of Here's my take
on Howard Lutnick and you know, a quick refresher on
(58:01):
the Ayatola's rain in Iran. So I am I'm all
for it. I loved it. I like it all right.
Demon's a listener questions.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
Uh, producers ask Arthur's birds.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Oh, you guys can hear the birds right outside the window. Yeah,
it's Finally, it's finally not twenty degrees in New York.
We might have to get used to that.
Speaker 3 (58:26):
Yeah, uh Andy asks will Nick have respect for his
fellow passengers by keeping his shoes on during the flight.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
All right, I can't tell if Wilds and Brewer trolling
me on this, so I will just say it to
America and you guys tell me if I am wearing fresh,
never worn out of the package socks. Is it at
(58:56):
all even a little bit objectionable that on a flight
I take off my shoes, honest question. I've never even
thought of it as problematic.
Speaker 3 (59:11):
Probably shouldn't have them like in the aisles or like
stretched across other seats.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
But if it's like meet the seat in front of.
Speaker 3 (59:17):
You, under the seat in front of me, and it
obviously can't be wreaking like they do after you.
Speaker 1 (59:24):
No, that's what I'm saying. It's let's assume that my
hygiene is good and I have taken the time to
make sure they're brand new socks. I'm not wearing stinky
old shoes, you know. I'm wearing the I don't even
think it's like a little awkward and Wilds and Bruges
(59:47):
is killing now wild princess lies and says I take
my socks off that I think you should be ejected
from the plane. That's like take your socks off if
you clip your fingernails. There are certain things that i've
you can't do in public, but I don't. I've never
even I try to be a super you can attest
to me for me on this demas. I try to
(01:00:09):
be a super courteous person. Like in all walks of life,
I try to be very courteous. I've never even considered
it was a problem take myself off. And these are
long flights. I'm an old, I'm a grandfather. I'm not
quite to the compression socks era. But your feet swell
(01:00:29):
like you got like it's a health reason.
Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Yeah, no, I I definitely could see how somebody could,
you know, bat an eye at it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
But like but just if it's like, you know, concealed
another seat like I said.
Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
But like because other people will have their feet like
sticking out of the side of their seat like like that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
No, I won't do that, and I wouldn't go sockless.
I also won't go to the lavatory without my shoes off.
I'll put them back on if I have to walk
down the aisle and go to the bath like this.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, Matt Collins, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Mean but it's a fifteen hour flight.
Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Yeah, all right, next blue Whale ass Demons, Do you
have any movie or TV show recommendations for the viewers.
I gotta say, man, I'm pretty bad with like watching
new stuff. I've probably I'm like watching Shameless for the
maybe fourth or fifth time ever, breaking bad. I've probably
completed like six or seven times The Walking Dead, like
(01:01:30):
you know before it gets to like season three or four.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
So nothing new though, there's nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
New that well the the what's it called?
Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
The beast in me that that new Netflix show we
watched at it together a little bit. I like that
one that was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Did you like Marty Supreme?
Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Dude, Marty Supreme was insane?
Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
I like, I thought that it had the same exact
vibe of the Adams Uncut Gems And apparently it's the
same producer.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Just chaotic, yeah anxiety.
Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
We were watching it together and Demonse said to me,
this reminds me of Uncut Gems and I'm like, man,
you could be a movie critic, like it's the same.
The same guy made it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Yeah, that's because I was probably gonna spoil something.
Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
So yeah, I think I maybe screwed you on something,
Pal because I I tried to log into uh HBO
Max the other day and instead of it showing my
profile and your sister's profile and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
It just showed you, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Which and I was like what I was like, I
knew I was. There's no just no question in my mind.
I have I'm paying for like four different versions of
HBO Max, like, no doubt about it. The but here
was the problem, the one that you the one that
you are watching stuff on there's commercial I was I
was never commercial.
Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
I think I signed up for when we were trying
to watch something at the Airbnb, uh for things giming.
Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Don't do that, cancel family that I was watching. I
turned it on and I'm like, this is HBO. It's
not commercials in general. It's like I can't live like this.
Logdowns like, let me find my other log in. God
knows your sister wouldn't tolerate that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Yeah, I mean, there's no question about it. Uh. Pravine
asked me if I know anything about cricket. I wish
I did. I don't. I did one time when we
lived in Houston, I the parking lot of the grocery
store by our house at like midnight. It was a bit.
(01:03:47):
There was a big Indian neighborhood by us, and at
like midnight on Fridays, these guys would have a full
blown twenty person cricket match and and I the U
and I would occasionally watch for a little bit. But
I don't I don't understand it, So no, I do
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Speaker 2 (03:20):
Oh wait what Team USA?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Sursus?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, the Rockies.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, so you know what. I screwed that up. I
normally do. I normally do straight to voicemail. I screwed
that up. I want to take a sip of my coffee.
My apologies. I also want here's another interesting note. Team
USA World Baseball Classic also hosting the World Baseball Classic Tokyo.
While I'm there the night I land, Tokyo takes on
(03:48):
South Korea, I think at the Tokyo Dome, and I
think I'm gonna go to the game. Sounds like a
t I think seeing the seeing Otani and the Japanese
team play in Tokyo would be sick. Uh so I'll
be a lot I've correspondent from the World Baseball Classic,
Ajdabantsa says he might return to BYU. I don't buy that.
And Timmy c Timmy Shallomey and Lebron team up on
(04:10):
a press tour. All right, let's get right to the
news of the day. Demons, which is my lifelong team,
made a trade with my you know, off again on
again NFC team, the Rams. Let's get to it.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
The Chiefs traded probably one of their best players, or
their best players outside of Patrick Mahomes for a nice
hal of picks. Last time Kansas City did something like
this with Tyreek Hill, they went on to make three
Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Do you find this to be a similar move?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So listen, I want to start on McDuffie. McDuffie's an
excellent player. I think he is a good sometimes because
of his size, struggles on the outside, but a good
outside corner and the single best slot corner in football.
(05:06):
I think he is the best in football at slot corner.
They drafted him as Demons, they mentioned they immediately went
to the next three Super Bowls. Mcduffee had startlets three four,
three two. Mcduffee won the first nine playoff games he
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ever played in his and his rookie year they went
three and oh. His second year they went four and oh.
His third year they went two and oh until the
Super Bowl when they got clocked by the Eagles. Obviously,
he was part of a historic draft class for the
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Chiefs that set up this era of Chiefs football, particularly
on the defensive side of the ball. He was instantly
pro He's excellent. He will be very very good for
the Rams. Okay, nothing, and he's only twenty five. He
was a young player coming out of college, so he's
played four years. He's only twenty five. He got a
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little ding last year. He's durable, he's an excellent player,
and I the Rams. Let me add this to it, Demonse,
I think the Rams are more all in than any
team in the league, more than Buffalo, more than Baltimore,
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because their quarterbacks got one maybe two years left. So
I think that the other teams with great quarterbacks have
to weigh trying to win the Super Bowl every year
with staying in contention for a long period of time.
The Rams don't have to weigh that. The Rams are like,
(06:56):
let's go for it right now while we have Matt
Stafford and figure out the play in post Stafford when
we're post Stafford. So I totally get this move from them,
and they got an excellent player at the single biggest
position of need for them. Makes sense. With that said,
(07:18):
I am so glad the Chiefs management still has the
stomach to do things like this, because this is the
only way to stay in perpetual contention. There is only
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one team ever that has done what the Chiefs are
trying to do, which is, for fifteen plus years, be
in the mix basically every single year. I understand last
year was a disaster, but at Week six of last season,
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the Chiefs were the literal Super Bowl favorites. So they
didn't They obviously weren't. They didn't end up as contenders
last year, but the idea that last year was destined
to be a disaster year, they were the favorites to
win the whole thing right around Halloween and so in order,
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the only blueprint for that long of a contending stretch
is the Pats with Belichick and Brady and Bill. Belichick
made moves like this. He traded away Richard Seymour, He
would move on from guys when they got super expensive.
(08:49):
He would load up on draft picks and try to
restock the talent with young, cost controlled players. It's what
you have to do. And yes, the Chiefs are in
a different position than when they traded Tyrek. When they
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traded Tyrek they weren't coming off a six win season.
They also though when they traded Tyrek were not coming
They are as far removed from the three years before
leading into the Tyrek trade, they won a super Bowl,
they lost the Super Bowl. They lost in the AFC
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Championship Game. The three years leading into this they won
a super Bowl, they lost the Super Bowl. They had
a disaster year. The Tyrek trade netted them the twenty
ninth pick, a second rounder, two fourths and a fifth.
This trade netted them the twenty ninth pick, a third rounder,
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one fourth and a fifth, or as Ian Rappaport would
call it basically fifth round value. Exactly twenty nine, third, fourth, fifth,
basically fifth round value. So they got for Tyreek, they
got a second instead of a third and an additional fourth.
(10:20):
And you know what, I might have said, what they
got here wrong? They I did. Actually they got the
twenty ninth, a third, a fifth, and a sixth, not
a fourth and a fifth. So my apologies, but the
by the draft charts they got essentially this is maybe
(10:43):
a better way to do it. It's for people to understand.
By the draft charts, they got the equivalent for McDuffie
of about the twentieth pick of the draft all in,
and for Tyreek they got the equivalent of about the
fourteenth fifteenth pick of the draft. So they got call
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it eighty percent of the value for Trent McDuffie they
got for Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
And situation is so much more different though, considering like
the need of the team, like if the defense is
already having trouble generating our pressure, like trading away your
best cornerback, I think is.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I I understand this obviously for Week one of twenty
twenty six doesn't make the Chiefs better. That's obviously true.
But this was Trent mcduffy is about to become the
single highest paid corner in the NFL because he plays
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on the he's best on the inside instead of on
the outside. That already was going to be a bit
of a tough pill to swallow. But when you have
the highest paid d tackle, the highest paid center, one
of the highest paid guards, and mahomes, you can't. You've
got to make these choices. And here's the reason where
(12:07):
I went from kind of expecting this move for the
Chiefs and you know, coming to terms with it, to
being outright happy about it. Barnwell, in his off season
Predictions column, called this trade. He called McDuffie to the Rams.
(12:30):
I think a lot of people thought this was possible,
but Barnwell put what he thought the trade would be demands.
He thought it would be McDuffie plus a fifth from
Kansas City for just the twenty ninth pick. Instead, it
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was McDuffie by himself for the twenty ninth pick plus
a third of fifth and a sixth. So I think
they got such intense value that and the free up
of cap space of he was gonna make thirteen million
(13:15):
this year. If you wanted to keep him, who's gonna
be thirty million a year to add other players? I
think you just have to make that move. It also
gives them real flexibility in the draft.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I do not think they're gonna move off that ninth pick,
but they are drafting now nine twenty nine and forty,
and I would be surprised if they actually draft twenty
nine and forty. It should be noted they used the
twenty ninth pick from the Tyreek Kiltrade to move up
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to twenty one or twenty two to draft Trent McDuffie,
and so I right now, the Chiefs have the six
best Super Bowl ups. That feels about right to me,
where you've got to see the health of Mahomes. But
they have the ability to go out in free agency
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in the draft and address what are significant weaknesses on
the team right now. And let me also say this,
because Jalen Watson, their other starting corner, seventh round pick,
is gonna hit free agency and get paid a bunch
of money by other people, by somebody else. This is
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the one position on the team the Chiefs believe we
can just coach up. They had They had Marcus Peters,
they traded him to the Rams. They had Javarius Ward,
they let him go sign a huge contract with the Niners.
They had Lagarious Snead, they traded him to the Titans.
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They had Marcus Peters, they traded him to the and
they're letting Jalen Watson, and Jalen Watson kind of his
proof of concepts. He was a seventh round pick same
year as Marcus Peters. He was starting at corner as
a seventh round rookie. They are letting him walk. They
have Noel Williams who was a third rounder last year,
and they're gonna have to address secondary. But they think
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spags that they can scout secondary players, that they can
coach them up, and what they have to get better
at is pass rush, running game, and pass catcher. It's
a lot, I understand, but I think the offensive line
is mostly set and obviously quarterbacks set, and now you
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have some cap space and you have a bunch of
draft picks to go attack. This stuff go ahead.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
It's like a little uh word coming out that Trent
McDuffie his hit would have been about the same as
Kenneth Walker next year, well about fourteen million.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
So here's the thing. He was Kenneth Walker's franchise tag
fourteen would be fourteen million. I think he'll probably sign
for around fourteen million. Yes, you're right. Trent McDuffie was
under contract fifty year option for thirteen point eight or something.
But that wasn't the problem. The problem was he was
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gonna want and it's not a problem. He's earned it
thirty million a year on a new deal and what
And we'll get to the Bengals in a bit. What
immature franchises would do would just be like, well, thirteen
million for McDuffie. That's that's actually not a bad deal,
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let him play out his contract and then either franchise
tag him and then let him walk for nothing, or
after this year, let him walk for nothing. Instead, the
Chiefs were proactive, which you have to be if you
want to contend over a long stretch of time. Now
here's the other piece of it. You have to do.
(17:03):
Hit on these draft picks. In twenty twenty two, they
crushed the draft. In twenty twenty three, they seem to
really well. The verdict right now in the twenty twenty
three draft is it's a disaster. The only truly productive
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player they've gotten from that draft is Rashi Rice, who
has a bunch of his own issues. So that happens.
But now, in order for the Chiefs to continue to
be a list contenders, this draft is gonna have a
lot to do with it. And we'll see what they
you know, what they make of these picks?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
All right?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Go, I know you have some follow ups here, Go ahead, the.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Soul just off of what you did say, Kansas City
has two first what can they do with those picks?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Let's do a likely maybe what if on it.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So listen, I think it is likely that with their
the number nine pick, they address offensive skill position. I
think that's likely. I think that whether it's Jeremiah Love,
whether it's their favorite receiver, it would be a little
(18:18):
rich for me. But maybe the tight end, the number
one tight end that everybody loves. At nine, it feels high.
I think it is likely they do that at nine,
and then at twenty nine they maybe move around a
little up, er a little back and take a pass rusher.
(18:41):
I am of the belief if Ruben Bain is there
at number nine, you've just got to take him. I
the short arms be damned, and it would be utterly
stunning to me if they use either of these first
round picks on offensive line or on corner. I think
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that they are going to go wide receiver, running back,
maybe tight end, and defensive line. Those are the spots
that I think you are going to see those the
first round picks go for. And I think the only
running back would be Jeremiah Love, and I don't know
(19:26):
if he'll be there at nine. All right, I know
you want to talk to Mahomes for a second.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, So after the deal, Mahomes tweeted, damn, how much
are you reading into that?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Do you think that was just support for his teammate.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, listen, I think Patrick understands. I haven't talked to Patrick.
I think he understands the business side of this. I
also think you know, he's won multiple Super Bowls with McDuffie,
likes McDuffie. McDuffie's a good player. You hate to see
him go out the door. But I think Patrick also
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knows whatever you know he had. I would imagine a
very similar relationship and had won a Super Bowl with
Tyreek Hill and saw the same regime trade Tyreek in
a very similar spot at the same time of calendar
and what it turned into the right right, Tyreek has
(20:22):
more of a direct impact on These are the decisions though,
you've got to make. They traded Joe Tooney last year,
like you've got to find ways to restock. And it's
why the Chiefs are not a team that's ever going
to be like we just traded for Max Crosby. We
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just traded multiple that. You don't have that luxury in
my if you want to contend for again fifteen plus years,
which only the Patriots have done. All right, before we
get to the a little more on the Rams side
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All right, demand, let's keep going on this trade and
then get to the other stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, So the Rams just cleared up one of their
only needs with that trade. Uh and they still have
the Falcons pick at number thirteen, So now they are
the lone favorites at plus seven to fifty to win
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Do you agree with Vegas there?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I mean it makes a lot of sense the no. No,
he's not going to be a punt returner, so maybe
they do need to address that. But that thirteenth pick
should be an impact player for them. It they have
really struggled on drafting and developing their own corners. Which
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is the traded for Marcus Peters. They traded for Jalen Ramsey,
they traded for Trent McDuffie. So this is, you know, again,
I think they paid a lot. But when you have
thirty eight year old Matt Stafford and you've been banging
on the door and he's the defending league MVP, why
the hell not? And so I you know, if I
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look at the Rams depth chart as we sit here today,
let me just pull it up real quick, I wouldn't
hate them at thirteen demands a considering wide receiver, just
because I don't think DeVante, you know, has probably many
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years left, maybe just one year left. I also wouldn't
hate them going offensive line to shore up that right
side of their offensive line. But in reality, the Rams
don't have many glaring holes.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I mean, the.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Entire secondary needs a lot of work, but it doesn't
seem like they trust themselves on drafting corners. So I
would be, I guess, a little surprised if they draft
a corner at thirteen. I would not be surprised if
they moved down, if they tried to restock some of
the picks they just traded away, you know, by moving
down in the draft. All right, let's get to some
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of the other guys in the trade market and some
of the other rumors.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
So Max Crosby's name is being floated around, He's being
favored to go to Chicago. The asking price for a J.
Brown is now reportedly a Quinn Williams type deal. How
does the McDuffie trade impact the market at the moment?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
So I think the McDuffie trade impacts AJ Brown's price
more than Max Crosby's price, because I think it the
Chiefs got for McDuffie very similar to what the Jets
got for Quinn Williams. The Jets for Quinn Williams got
(25:46):
a first, a second, and Mazzie Smith, who is you know,
kind of a sunk cost. The Chiefs got a first,
a third, a fifth, and a sixth. So the Chiefs
got ninety two percent of Quinn Williams out of Trent
McDuffie in the trade, and I think the Eagles are
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sitting there saying AJ Brown plays a more premium position.
He's under contract. You know you if you trade for him,
you don't have to immediately make him the top paid
player in the league. So why shouldn't we get a
late first and something else. I think that is going
to be hard for them to get. But could they
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get the thirty first pick straight up from New England
for AJ Brown? I would think so. And here's the
other piece of it, Demons, whatever their best offer is,
I want to know if you agree with me on this,
I think the I think the Eagles have to trade
AJ Brown. Yes, I do not think they can run
(26:57):
it back another year. I think they regret not trading
them at the deadline, and I think they have to
trade them. And so maybe team maybe teams correct, Maybe
teams are gonna use that against them. But I think,
especially with New England having just cut step On Digs,
that you know it's sitting right there for them to
(27:20):
trade and Vrabels with AJ Brown, Crosby's a little more
complicated and Crosby's older than the defensive players that we
have historically seen go for multiple second round picks, and
the Bears having their center, their excellent center, just surprisingly
(27:43):
retire at twenty seven, makes their ability to trade multiple
picks for Max Crosby maybe more in question. So I
I look around the league, and I say, who are
the teams that it would make sense for them to
(28:06):
make that type of move. I wonder if the Chargers,
now I don't know if the Bears would want to try,
I'm sorry, if the Raiders want to trade within the division,
if they would trade for Crosby. I wonder if Washington,
whose defense has been brutal, if they would trade for Crosby.
And I wonder how much pressure, if any, there is
(28:31):
on the Bucks after last season to you know, say, like,
you know what, let's go for it right here. The
Bears were the team that makes the most sense, But
I I think it's trickier because they're center retired, and
I think that makes it.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
You think the oh, you think the Bears have any
pressure on them to win right now?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Being under Calyb's.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
I mean, you do want to take advantage of when
you have the quarterback cheap, but I mean they they
also they win I should know this. The Bears won
the division last year. Yeah, they hosted Round one against
the Packers, they won the division, they won a playoff game,
(29:22):
so like they're right on, right on schedule. But I
do think their defense has to get better and you're
not going to be able to live off turnovers to
quite the extent that they did last year. All right,
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Let's talk a little a little more NFL before we
get to some sports media takes that really need some butting,
if you will.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Of seven years after taking him at number one, the
Cardinals are splitting ways with Kyler Murray. We all know
you aren't the biggest fan of the shorter quarterbacks. Where
do you stand at on Tyler or Kyler?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I'm stunned how many people are trying to convince themselves.
That's seven years and eighty seven starts into his career.
Kyler Murray is different than what we know he is,
which is a below average NFL starting quarterback. And you
can say below average, that's harsh, it's not. There's thirty
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two teams in the league. And if right now I
were to tell you stop me when I say a quarterback,
Kyler's better than Mahomes, Stafford, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Darnold, Caleb May,
Trevor golf Love, Dak Hurtz, Baker, Herbert Jaden. That's sixteen.
(32:44):
That's sixteen. I have not mentioned CJ. Stroud, I have
not mentioned bow Nicks, I have not mentioned Brock Purdy.
I have not mentioned you know, some cam Ward, some
people like Kyle. I'm sorry Bryce though, but that's.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
The it starts to get questionable there. Yeah, the fact,
it's a debate.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Right, So he's at best, the twentieth best quarterback in
football at best, and he is. He does wear down
over the course of the season. He does have shaky
relationships with teammates and front offices, and he does have
(33:32):
very questionable work habits. And that's just who he is.
And so that the Arizona Cardinals last year, the coaching
staff was fighting for its life and Kyler came back
healthy from injury and they were like, yeah, Jacoby Brissett
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runs this offense better, We're sticking with it. I don't.
People are trying to convince themselves that Kyler on the
Vikings would be dangerous. Noah wouldn't. Would it be an
upgrade over JJ McCarthy, Sure, would they be dangerous?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
And again, Darnald got like thirty five starts with the Jets,
Gino got thirty starts with the Jets, Baker got I
think fifty some with the Browns and showed something. Kyler
has started eighty seven games. Kyler has started more games
(34:37):
in this league than Joe Burrow. Like, it's not oh,
he hasn't had the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I mean, people are just saying it's the Cardinals though.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, but when he got there, people were like, oh man,
Cliff Kingsbury, it traded for DeAndre Hopkins. People didn't think
that was some terrible mess. Now it turned in to it,
but he was a part of it. And so do
I think Kyler is a starter in this league? Yes? Absolutely?
(35:08):
Do I think that he would be an upgrade over
what the Browns, the Jets, the Steelers, the Vikings are
likely going to go into next season with if they
don't sign him, I do. But do I think that
means there's any contending possibilities? I don't now. The glass
(35:37):
quarter full would be this demonse. This is the first
time in his athletic life he has failed in any way.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, some adversity he is.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I mean seven seasons, no, but I'm saying nim cutting him,
cutting him is the adversity. He he He was the
greatest player in the history of Texas high school football,
the greatest. He also was such a great baseball player.
He was a first round pick for the Oakland A's.
(36:14):
He then went to college, won the Heisman, went number
one in the draft, and instantly as early as they
could have got paid. And so it was just nothing
but everything I'm doing is working. Everything's great, and now
it's a real slap in the face of No, they're
paying you to go away, and you'll probably sign, make sense,
(36:36):
sign for the minimum because this team's going to be
paying you anyway. So maybe that is a come to
Jesus moment.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
But I don't know. I think maybe you should switch
over to baseball.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I feel like it's probably too late for that, but
I think that could have been an option at some point. Listen,
it seems like people loved him as a baseball player,
loved him and he is just a.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Sick elite in baseball.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, let me see if I can. He was the
eighth overall pick the Yeah, I mean he was. I
mean he he's a legendary athlete.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
And the I'm trying to see you guys can ninth
overall pick. Uh, And I mean, God bless him for that.
He has. He has been a major disappointment as an
NFL quarterback. And I don't think again, he is two
months older or two months younger than Darnald, Like, I
(37:57):
just don't think he is this un diamond. We'll see,
but I don't I don't buy it. All right, let's
talk Bengals for a moment.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Uh So the Bengals bought Trey Hendrickson, they failed to
tag him. They're not gonna tag him. They failed to
trade him away get something for him. How should Bengals
fans feel and how should Burrow feel?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
So this is just franchise malpractice. Two. You had Trey Hendrickson.
He led the league in sacks. He wanted a big,
long term deal. You didn't want to give it to him.
He was pissed. You moved some money around a bit
to get him the comeback in It was seventeen and
(38:45):
a half sacks. The next year he responded with another
seventeen and a half sacks and he's like, all right,
now you've gotta pay me. They're like, nope, we're not
doing that. So then he was super pissed. He left
tre camp. It was a whole mess. He then begrudgingly
(39:05):
comes back. You then have last year, Burrow gets hurt
and he's pissed and you know you're not re signing him,
and you don't even trade him for pennies on the
dollar at the deadline. He then never comes back from
his injury, and now you let him walk for nothing.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
It's just such bad business, just indefensibly bad business, and
Burrow should be livid that they either couldn't get a
deal done or couldn't accept they weren't gonna get a
deal done and moved him last.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Off season or the off season before, or at the
very least at the deadline. And to lose Trey Hendrickson
for nothing's eat outrageous. Now I do think he will.
I think you can make an argument, how old is
(40:10):
Hendrickson thirty two? That might be old.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I mean he was younger than that.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
No, No, he's thirty one.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Oh the.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So he is. And Max Crosby is twenty eight. I
should have looked these up before him. Bad job and me.
I apologize, but I got it right. Max Crosby's twenty
eight turns twenty nine in August. If I were running
(40:46):
a team, demonse, I would rather sign Trey Hendrickson in
free agency for good money rather than trade multiple firsts
for Max Crosby for and then resign him to huge money.
(41:07):
Crosby's a better player, and Crosby's got more years in
front of him. But the fact that you can sign
one guy and you'd have to trade multiple.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Picks for the other guy. So good.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
And so here's the other question I have about Trey,
because Trey, listen, he was underpaid, but it's not like
he had never been paid. So Trey Hendrickson up to
this point in his career has made ninety five million bucks.
He was making twenty million a year on this contract
(41:44):
with the Bengals, basically five year, twenty million ish dollar
deal after his rookie deal. If Trey wants one last
huge payday, he has earned it, and God bless him.
I do wonder if he might want to stick it
(42:05):
to the Bengals, And if he does, I think the Patriots,
the Bills, the Ravens, Yes, should call Yeah is particularly
the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Like in the division all four of those teams desperately
need pass rush help and be like, yeah, I'm sticking
around and I'm right for the Ravens twice a year
and for the other teams maybe if the Bengals ever
make the playoffs again. So I I've said this before,
(42:43):
I'll say it again. There is a lot of Burrow
Sincy that reminds me of Breeze, New Orleans, where right
after he got there, they make it to a Super
Bowl Breeze won, Burrow didn't, and then those same went
seven to nine three years in a row. They missed
the playoffs a lot, and then at the tail end
(43:06):
had it like a three to four year period of
super high contention again at the tail end of Breeze's time,
but never made another Super Bowl where you are wasting
big portions of this player's career even though he is
super highly productive, because you can't get the defensive side
of the ball right. And that's a damn shame. All right,
(43:30):
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(44:18):
my pals have a podcast together. It's called Game Over.
One is my buddy, Rich Paul, who you met and
hung out with a couple weeks ago, and the other
is Max Kellerman, who I once didn't officially intern for him,
but I interned for the radio show before his radio show,
and he and I haven't spent much time together since.
(44:40):
We've come across each other a couple times. But I
really like Max, like I. I have about as much
respect for Max as anybody who does what I do.
And Jordan came up on their latest pod. I'll let
you take it from there.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Uh yeah, So the latest pod, Rich Paul Max Kellerman
said that if MJ played today, he would average a
forty point triple double. For a little bit of context,
Will is the only player ever to average forty in
a season, and only three players ever have averaged a
triple double.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
So yeah, so listen, I don't even care about the
triple double piece because Jordan, I do. I think Jordan
averaging a triple double today. Sure, maybe he almost did
it the one year he played point guard for the Bulls.
It can be done. Jordan obviously is a demonstrably better
(45:39):
player than Ross. Ross has averaged a bunch of triple
doubles I I, and so no problem. The forty pointed
game thing with Jordan in today's game, here is the problem.
And this is why I'm so stunned. Max said it
because one of the reasons I have so much respect
(46:01):
for Max. It's kind of like arrogant. The reason I
have so much respect for Max.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Is because you guys have like so much of me.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yes, I'm like, man, that guy's smart. I like how
he makes arguments. A lot of it is just he
reminds me of myself. So that's kind of a but regardless,
Max very often in his arguments, does what you've got
to do if you're gonna have a sound argument, which
(46:31):
is tease it out and realize the full implications of
your argument and the full implications of Michael Jordan could
average forty a game. Are so then the guys who
when Jordan was averaging twenty nine averaged twenty eight, they
(46:56):
would in today's game be thirty eight thirty seven point
a game. And the guys today who are the best
scorers back then would be in the low twenties. So
let's right, because it can't only apply to Michael the
nineties deflation and contemporary inflation. So let's let's just grab
(47:20):
some Michael Jordan seasons. So if you're saying Michael Jordan
in ninety two, a lot of people think that is
peak Jordan, second Bowls Championship, the best team, he's got
it all figured. He averaged thirty point one points per game,
(47:40):
Dominique Wilkins averaged and Carl Malone both averaged exactly twenty eight.
So nineteen ninety two, Dominique Wilkins in today's game, we're
giving him thirty seven a night. I'm not Chris Mullen
excellent player? Was it twenty five and a half and
(48:03):
he wasn't even better of you know, a great shooter
on you know, three point shooter. So Chris Mullins thirty
five a game in today's Europe It hard for me
to you know, hard for me to wrap my mind around.
But that's the implication. Ninety five, Michael was thirty two
(48:25):
and a half and Dominique was thirty, Karl Malone twenty seven.
So all those guys, once again, they're gonna be in
the high to mid thirties in today's game. The next year,
by the way, when Michael was retired, David Robinson averaged
(48:45):
thirty a game. So in today's game, the Admiral is
thirty eight and a half a night. I don't think so.
But let's take it a step further and do the
best scores of this era. And what Because what you're
(49:06):
saying is scoring is so much easier today that those
guys in Michael's era, when thirty was the high water
mark then and thirties basically the high water mark. Now,
those guys would struggle. So you're telling me peak, okc
(49:32):
Kevin Durant, who never averaged more than thirty two a game,
you drop him into the nineties. He's a twenty four
point per game guy. That's what we're saying. Because if
you're saying you're gonna give a twenty five percent boost
to the scores of the nineties and today, then you've
(49:54):
got to take a twenty five percent tax on the
scores of today in the nineties. So Pete Kevin Durant,
if he's dropped into nineteen ninety two, is looking up
at Chris Mullen and Clyde Drexler on the scoring list.
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
He really probably is averaging at that time.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Well, no, I don't think that either, because it was
no just the game was slower, there were less possessions.
It was it was the it was harder. But maybe
you think it wouldn't mattered. But the other thing that happens,
and this is what Max said, and this is just maddening,
and I've talked about this before. People pretend that the
(50:48):
one weakness in Michael's game three point shooting, was a
weakness by choice, like, well, if you wanted to be good,
he would be good as if he was shack and
never shot, when in reality, there was a brief stretch
of time when Jordan was a good three point shooter.
(51:12):
Because of that, he shot a lot of them for
the era, and that period was when they moved the
line in, and as soon as they moved the line
back out, he went from thirty seven percent shooting for
a game, which was a lot for the mid nineties,
to twenty three percent shooting one and a half a game.
(51:35):
And then after he had three years of retirement, seeing that, oh,
guys are shooting more and more threes, and my athleticism
isn't what it once was. He came back and was
a nice, crisp nineteen percent three point shooter. Again. He
might be the greatest player of all time. There is
(51:57):
a strong argument for that. But the idea ida that
he just chose to be bad at something, rather than
it was the one thing he wasn't great at. The
idea that because he he took over seventeen hundred threes
(52:19):
in his career. And if you again, if you I'm
trying to do I should have done this beforehand, but
when in his career, because his career three point numbers
don't actually look awful. It's thirty two point seven, that's fine,
but if you remove the years where they moved the
(52:40):
line in, So the years where they moved the line
in Michael from three was thirty nine percent and the
years where it was the regular line was twenty nine percent.
We don't have to make stuff up. I'm not going
to sit here and say, you know, if Lebron really
(53:02):
wanted to, he'd be a ninety percent free throw shooter.
He just chooses not to be. No, you just it's
not as good as he is, as hard as he works,
it's not for him to be a ninety percent free
throw shooter. So but again, if you believe Michael Jordan
would average forty in today's game, then you must believe
(53:24):
Dominique would average thirty eight and peak Kevin Durant in
the nineties would average like twenty three. I don't think
he actually believed it. Maybe more on this sports media
on Budsman on the show later today, all right, speaking
(53:45):
of sports media on Budsman, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
All right, round two. Earlier this week, Stephen A.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
Smith took a shot at Zion Williamson, calling him a
food addict. This followed with a Twitter war with the
Pelicans social team and a twelve minute rant on first
take by Steve A.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Smith. The Pelicans aren't even relevant? So why why what's
going on here? You wanted to So.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Here's why I want to discuss this. I I think
the obvious take that people expect from me here is
how big it's about stephen A's ego. Right, The obvious
(54:28):
take is you have one of, if not the biggest
sports show in the country, and because the Pelicans social
media team put up funny clips of you, you know,
at your not at your athletic prime, just spend twelve
minutes defending yourself, you know, doing going at them just
(54:55):
a waste of everyone's time because you can't be the
butt of a joke, like you don't want to laugh
at yourself. Like that's where people expect me to go
with this. That is not where I'm going with this.
Where I'm going with this is we as a public
(55:20):
need to convince stephen A this is the good stuff.
This is what we want. Please like feed that trough
because this, unlike his Iranian war takes and everything he's
(55:47):
doing on that political show, this is harmless fun. And
you know what if you want to explain how actually
you've got a sick jump shot and you want to
talk about and you want to go after the Pelicans
social media team, and you want to say, with a
(56:08):
straight face into the camera, I am more famous than
everyone on the team than the Pelicans. You know what,
God love you. That is what we're here for. That's
the good stuff. More of that, less of geopolitical takes,
(56:29):
more of that, less of flirting with running for the presidency.
That is where I mean. We are in a perilous
timeline where both of the longtime prestige hosts of First
(56:51):
take stephen A and Skip have felt like, well, I've
waited long enough time for the public to get my
takes on the war in the Middle East. Skip did
it with his dog and his wife. Stephen A does
it on it was serious. I don't know, guys, don't
(57:15):
need it, don't want it, didn't ask for it. Skip,
love you, buddy, give us. I saw a clip come
across my timeline the other day where Skip was like,
and this is why Bronnie has a better clutch gene
than bron And I'm like, you know what a plus
ten out of ten? T why you're the goat? Stephen
A looking doing twelve minutes down barrel about why he's
(57:40):
more famous than everyone on the Pelicans and talking about
Zion hiding food under his bed. Chef's kiss no pun
intended perfect, more of that, less of Here's my take
on Howard Lutnick and you know, a quick refresher on
(58:01):
the Ayatola's rain in Iran. So I am I'm all
for it. I loved it. I like it all right.
Demon's a listener questions.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
Uh, producers ask Arthur's birds.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Oh, you guys can hear the birds right outside the window. Yeah,
it's Finally, it's finally not twenty degrees in New York.
We might have to get used to that.
Speaker 3 (58:26):
Yeah, uh Andy asks will Nick have respect for his
fellow passengers by keeping his shoes on during the flight.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
All right, I can't tell if Wilds and Brewer trolling
me on this, so I will just say it to
America and you guys tell me if I am wearing fresh,
never worn out of the package socks. Is it at
(58:56):
all even a little bit objectionable that on a flight
I take off my shoes, honest question. I've never even
thought of it as problematic.
Speaker 3 (59:11):
Probably shouldn't have them like in the aisles or like
stretched across other seats.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
But if it's like meet the seat in front of.
Speaker 3 (59:17):
You, under the seat in front of me, and it
obviously can't be wreaking like they do after you.
Speaker 1 (59:24):
No, that's what I'm saying. It's let's assume that my
hygiene is good and I have taken the time to
make sure they're brand new socks. I'm not wearing stinky
old shoes, you know. I'm wearing the I don't even
think it's like a little awkward and Wilds and Bruges
(59:47):
is killing now wild princess lies and says I take
my socks off that I think you should be ejected
from the plane. That's like take your socks off if
you clip your fingernails. There are certain things that i've
you can't do in public, but I don't. I've never
even I try to be a super you can attest
to me for me on this demas. I try to
(01:00:09):
be a super courteous person. Like in all walks of life,
I try to be very courteous. I've never even considered
it was a problem take myself off. And these are
long flights. I'm an old, I'm a grandfather. I'm not
quite to the compression socks era. But your feet swell
(01:00:29):
like you got like it's a health reason.
Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Yeah, no, I I definitely could see how somebody could,
you know, bat an eye at it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
But like but just if it's like, you know, concealed
another seat like I said.
Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
But like because other people will have their feet like
sticking out of the side of their seat like like that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
No, I won't do that, and I wouldn't go sockless.
I also won't go to the lavatory without my shoes off.
I'll put them back on if I have to walk
down the aisle and go to the bath like this.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, Matt Collins, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Mean but it's a fifteen hour flight.
Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Yeah, all right, next blue Whale ass Demons, Do you
have any movie or TV show recommendations for the viewers.
I gotta say, man, I'm pretty bad with like watching
new stuff. I've probably I'm like watching Shameless for the
maybe fourth or fifth time ever, breaking bad. I've probably
completed like six or seven times The Walking Dead, like
(01:01:30):
you know before it gets to like season three or four.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
So nothing new though, there's nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
New that well the the what's it called?
Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
The beast in me that that new Netflix show we
watched at it together a little bit. I like that
one that was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Did you like Marty Supreme?
Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Dude, Marty Supreme was insane?
Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
I like, I thought that it had the same exact
vibe of the Adams Uncut Gems And apparently it's the
same producer.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Just chaotic, yeah anxiety.
Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
We were watching it together and Demonse said to me,
this reminds me of Uncut Gems and I'm like, man,
you could be a movie critic, like it's the same.
The same guy made it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Yeah, that's because I was probably gonna spoil something.
Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
So yeah, I think I maybe screwed you on something,
Pal because I I tried to log into uh HBO
Max the other day and instead of it showing my
profile and your sister's profile and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
It just showed you, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Which and I was like what I was like, I
knew I was. There's no just no question in my mind.
I have I'm paying for like four different versions of
HBO Max, like, no doubt about it. The but here
was the problem, the one that you the one that
you are watching stuff on there's commercial I was I
was never commercial.
Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
I think I signed up for when we were trying
to watch something at the Airbnb, uh for things giming.
Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Don't do that, cancel family that I was watching. I
turned it on and I'm like, this is HBO. It's
not commercials in general. It's like I can't live like this.
Logdowns like, let me find my other log in. God
knows your sister wouldn't tolerate that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Yeah, I mean, there's no question about it. Uh. Pravine
asked me if I know anything about cricket. I wish
I did. I don't. I did one time when we
lived in Houston, I the parking lot of the grocery
store by our house at like midnight. It was a bit.
(01:03:47):
There was a big Indian neighborhood by us, and at
like midnight on Fridays, these guys would have a full
blown twenty person cricket match and and I the U
and I would occasionally watch for a little bit. But
I don't I don't understand it, So no, I do
(01:04:07):
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