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Nick Wright recaps the College Football Playoff National Championship thriller between Indiana and Miami and every NFL playoff game of the Divisional Round. Starting with the Denver Broncos defeating the Bills, Nick breaks down the fallout in Buffalo with Josh Allen and Sean McDermott. Next, Nick discusses Caleb Williams’ Chicago Bears heroics falling just short against the Los Angeles Rams, and C.J. Stroud's meltdown against the New England Patriots. After, Nick debates if the Seattle Seahawks should be the Super Bowl favorites after their blowout win against the 49ers. Later, Nick and Damonza answer your questions. #Volume
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in what driving Nickbride episode four seventeen. Oh, my goodness, gracious,
the light on my wonderful boost sign went out. Hold
on a second cloch, there we go. My goodness. I
just looked back. I gotta say, you know what, I
usually point fingers, not or point thumbs, not fingers. I'm
pointing fingers at that one. That's a that's a production area.
(00:22):
You guys have got to look behind me. Got to
have my back there. Welcome in Demn's. That's also on you.
You can see behind me better than I can't hower you.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
That's what bad good to see. Pops, be good, can.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Complain new shirt looking great shirt?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yep, every time mom comes to town. When she leaves,
i'll have it shirt.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I picked your mom up from the airport last night,
and we were not yet to the people movers on
you know, walking the little the escalators that are flat
on the ground. I think they're called people movers. We
had gone twelve feet from baggage claim before she said,
(01:03):
I don't know what I'm gonna do. I missed that
baby so much. Yeah, and then she just kept showing
me videos.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, they had a great time. But she also showed
me a video of her dancing and rapping along with
the baby, and I said to her. I said to her,
I was like, Demanse's not gonna like that. She was like,
I know, she, I know, it's a weird thing. I
was like, I knew it. I just knew it one
hundred percent. I was like, he's not gonna like that,
(01:38):
all right, but she's back. You're in la a lot
to do. My favorite NFL weekend of the year just ended,
and that it's not the lead today because we did
get a call it a semi classic National championship game
last night. The game was an a min the storylines
(02:01):
were in a triple plus. So we will get to
all of that. Then we will get to the divisional
round from the weekend, and we will get to what
should not have been a difficult assignment for my colleagues
in the media, but it is simply too much for
them at times. I guess to follow the logical consistency
(02:28):
of if I regularly call a certain player not only
the best player in the league, but maybe the most
talented player I've ever seen, and speak in those hyperbolic
terms for turnover playoff games, probably shouldn't happen. But that's it.
(02:50):
It's a bridge too far for some. So we will
get to all of that, but first we have to
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you by boost Mobile. Some awful news overnight for the
Warriors and for well more so for Jimmy Butler than
(03:10):
for the Warriors. I should start with the player rather
than the team, but that's a torn acl and for
Jimmy Butler, and at his age, I that might be
an abrupt end to Jimmy Butler as a super impactful
(03:33):
NBA player. It's thirty five years old. You now expect
him to be out at least, you know, to this
point next year. I would call it probably the All
Star break next year. That's brutal for a guy who
I believe is a future Hall of Famer and such
a unique career. You hate to see him suffer that injury.
(03:54):
And for the team. That's just a wrap for the Warriors.
Like now, the the pipe dream of trading for Giannis
doesn't even make sense, and it they I don't know
what they do with the deadline. But I know that
for the Warriors, who were a middling team as is,
that's a rap for them. Sadly, the All Star starters
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have been announced in both conferences, Lebron not one of them.
That's fine. If somehow Lebron is not named to the
All Star team, given the precedent of Wizards Michael Jordan
and final year Kobe Bryant, I will do an entire
show on it. I'm telling you guys right now, heads up,
(04:38):
it will be a basketball crime if Lebron James in
year twenty three, particularly playing at the level that he is,
but with the precedent of if you're a no doubt
statue guy in the not just for a team, but
for the league, you're gonna be invited to the All
(05:01):
Star Game, as Jordan was with the Wizards, and as
Kobe was in his final year. No matter what, if
they decide for Lebron that no longer is the case,
it'll be an outrage. But I don't think that's gonna happen.
And Eric b Enemy going back to the Kansas City
Chiefs and some other head coach hirings. Bob Sala goes
to the Titans. Kevin Stefanski goes to the Falcons. You
(05:24):
wonder if Stefanski wishes he had known the Bills job
was coming open before he took that Falcons job. And
Jeff Halfley goes to the Dolphins. I'm gonna go ahead
and go on the record and say I don't think
the Halfley thing is gonna work. I think the Stefanski
thing will be fine. And I'm a little optimistic about Sala.
If cam Ward is the guy that some people hope
(05:47):
he can be, I think Sala has shown he'll give
you a great defense. We've never seen him be a
head coach with a good quarterback, so we'll see. Reminder
to everybody like rate subscribe review to the show. It
greatly helps us out National Championship game last night, Demonsey,
let's get to it.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, last night Indiana capped off their perfect season with
the National Championship. They pulled a game from Miami. How
impressed were you with the heisman, Fernando Mendoza and the Hoosiers.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Well, I'll get to Mendoza second, the Hoosiers first. I
Am not going to spend as much time on this
as maybe others because this is the rare sports topic
where I just don't think there are even allowable differing opinions.
(06:40):
It is quite simply, as a matter of fact, not
as a matter of an opinion, as of opinion, one of,
if not the greatest program turnarounds in the history of
college sports. What Kurt Signetti is done at Indiana in
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two years is unprecedented in major American sports. And even
after the year they had last season, this team was
more than one hundred to one to win this championship,
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and to go through the gauntlet that they did, to
go sixteen and zero, to be as buttoned up and
as well coached, and as just damn near flawless at
the fundamentals, it's unlike anything any of us have ever
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seen in our lives. The camp and this is I
guess maybe some would say me showing my Midwestern roots,
but the comp would be Bill Snyder at Kansas State.
Bill Snyder took over what was the worst team in
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major college football. And just a little context there, Kansas
State under it, I'll just read you the records of
its previous coaches before Bill Snyder. Okayh to ten, four
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and twenty six, fourteen and twenty four, fourteen and thirty four,
eight and sixty, thirty three and fifty two, six and
twenty seven, twenty six and twenty one, and then the
coach right before Bill Snyder went two and thirty. That's
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the team Bill Snyder took over, and by year five
they were a top twenty five team. By year ten
they were in contention for the national championship and they
won one, two, three, four five. They had seven ten
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or eleven win seasons. That was the greatest turnaround in
the history of college football. Prior to this, it took
years to do it. They won year were maybe had
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a chance to play for a national title, and it
was just considered unreal that they were a perennial top
twenty five team. Indiana prior to Kurt Signetti won two, three,
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four five six, had six years in one one hundred
and thirty years is a program demonse. Six out of
one hundred and thirty where they were in the top
twenty five. They had one year or I'm sorry, two
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years nineteen forty five and nineteen sixty seven when they
were in the top ten. The year before he got there,
the three years before two and ten, four and eight,
three and nine. He gets there, they're eleven and one
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and in the playoff and they lose in the first round.
And then there's sixteen and zero.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
It is.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Unprecedented and I can't conceptualize it being duplicated. There is
there is no comp because Indiana was arguably the worst
program in college football and within two years they just
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ran the gauntlet to a national championship, and they didn't.
And people can say, oh, it's in I l it's this,
they didn't. It's a lot of James Madison kids. Now
a lot of them are older. I get that, and
they have the number one pick of the draft at
their quarterback as there, but it's still just an incomprehensible accomplishment.
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And then for Mendoza, he go from a two star
recruit that Miami didn't want to recruit even though he
was from there to the consensus number one pick of
the draft. And he looks the part and he talks
(12:16):
the part of a franchise quarterback. His toughness is unbelievable.
He's six'. FIVE I the intangibles seem to be. Unquestioned
the toughness seems to be. Unquestioned and we'll see if
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he's good enough to do the, impossible which is make
The raiders. Relevant but The raiders are gonna get their.
Quarterback it's gonna Be Fernando. Mendoza and we'll see what
coach he, gets and we'll see if he can be
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joined with a coach that knows that what he's, doing
and see if all of a, sudden THE Afc west
becomes the best quarterback division there is. Potentially and so
shout out To. Mendoza his story is, great his family's.
Great that run to essentially win the national championship is
(13:24):
an all time. Moment AND i and also shout out To,
indiana WHO i did, pick WHO i thought could steal
it as good As signetti. WAS i thought the decision
up three with two minutes left to kick a field
(13:44):
goal on fourth and five was. Insane you guys know
my feeling on being up three rather than up. Six
i'd actually probably rather go for a fourth down and
miss it deep in the enemy territory with two minutes
left and be up, three then kick a field, goal
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then kick, off give him decent field, position and be up.
Six and that's exactly what he, chose the latter rather
than the, former and it looked like it was gonna bite.
Him but then the always POLARIZING i Guess Carson beck
(14:31):
made the one really bad decision he made all night
and they. Lose but the right team one In miami
deserves a ton of. Respect they were right. There they
could have stolen the whole. THING i Thought Chrysto baul
did a magnificent. Job they're running back number four And
Malachi tony are gonna be future awesome pros And Bain
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man Oh. MAN i hope bain is there at number
nine for the The. CHIEFS i doubt he will, be
BUT i hope he. Is unbelievable season From. Miami the
most controversial inclusion in the college football playoff had the
ball on the plus side of the fifty down six
chance to win the title and made. Up you, know
(15:20):
kid made the bad. Throw But indiana is the story
of this college football season and one of the greatest.
Stories it's, again it's not. Hyperbole one of the greatest
stories in the history Of american sports is What Kurt
signetti just did In. Indiana you can't compet to any
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pro sport, turnaround because pro sports are an even level
ish playing. FIELD i don't know what to comp it,
to but it. Is it would feel like if somebody
all of a sudden took over THE umkc basketball team
and within two years they went undefeated and won the.
(16:02):
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first game of the. Weekend Bill's. Broncos let's get to
it big.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Stuff so The broncos ended The bills season On, saturday
Got sean McDermott, fired so they obviously lost this. Game
Josh allen had four. Turnovers do you think that the
team built around him kind of Failed Josh? Allen or
do you think That Josh allen failed The bills with his?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Turnovers Defending LEAGUE mvp had four turnovers in a playoff,
game including one of the most cartoonish fumbles in the
history of the. League that, Happened, okay BEFORE i even
get in that that. Is you don't have to be
(19:10):
a die hard sports fan to. Understand, oh that's probably
that's probably why they. Lost, yeah BEFORE i get to
that piece of, it let me say this on the front, end,
Sincerely AND i Know broncos fans aren't gonna want to
hear this from, me and they might Say i'm full of. Shit.
(19:31):
WHATEVER i can't remember a more gutting postseason injury than
the one The broncos suffered to have won the game
be celebrating that you're going to the conference championship game at,
(19:55):
home have Beaten Josh allen and have watched Both nicks
play one of in my, opinion best games of his,
life and two separate times come through for you in
just huge spots before the half to put The bills on,
(20:16):
tilt which it's ten to ten with thirty seconds left
And Josh allen in the first, Half Josh allen has zero,
turnovers The bills are feeling. Fine Bow knicks hits that
deep bomb to the front corner of the end zone
to put The bills on their back, foot and then
late in the game down four drives them, down puts
(20:40):
them ahead with a minute. Left like whatever Skepticism i've
had about your, quarterback he was nails On saturday. Afternoon
however ANNOYING i have Found Sean payton to. Be he
called a hell of a, game and you're, Celebrating you're feeling,
(21:05):
great you really think you can win the Super, bowl
and then you find out on a somewhat nothing play
that no one even noticed your quarterback breaks his, an
broke his, ankle and kneeds. Surgery it's just a stomach
punch of all stomach, punches AND i do a Legitimate,
(21:26):
Again broncos, Fans you're allowed to hate, Me it's. FINE
i legitimately feel sick for, you, guys AND i don't it.
Obviously it's in the same bucket As Haliburton game seven
(21:48):
and the one you kind of because he had been
dealing with an injury that kind of specter. Loomed this
was just so out of. NOWHERE i don't even know.
Now on the bright, side it shouldn't impact your next
season at, all but this is who knows what next
season's gonna, Be So BRONCO'S i feel sick for, you,
(22:11):
sincerely and you guys have proven me wrong all, year
AND i just and. Bow If bo's gonna have a
come back down To earth, moment it ain't gonna be
this season because he ended last season or he ended
that he ended this. Season pardon. Me with probably the
(22:31):
best game of his, career all things, considered and in
my favorite football weekend of the year With Drake may
And Matt stafford And Josh allen and. C. J stroud
And Sam, darnold all those guys Playing Bo nicks played
the best. Game it just is what it. Is AND
(22:54):
i wonder why that version of COMMENTARY i just did
about Bone knicks so many folks have trouble doing in
(23:15):
the other. Direction it's one thing to say this, guy
this team THAT i have always been down, on OR
i have always, doubted he with his play proved me.
Wrong it does feel like people are have an easier
(23:40):
time doing that leap than the opposite, one which is this,
guy this, team this player THAT i have elevated beyond
any realistic place that is. Justifiable his play proved me.
(24:06):
Wrong and instead of being able to do that After
Josh allen's four turnover playoff, game folks are just going
out making a fools of. Themselves SO i understand The
(24:31):
bills would not have been there Without Josh. Allen no,
shit that is That if the standard is standard for
criticism is if a guy is the biggest reason a
team got to a, point then criticizing his play it
(24:53):
at that point is. Unfair THEN i guess we can
never criticize ANY nba superstar for a playoff performance, ever
because every SINGLE nba superstar is the reason their team
gets to the. Postseason and so THEN i guess if
(25:14):
You james harden, it you're just an, asshole if you're
like he cost his, team because the thirty FIVE iq, responses,
well would they have been there without? Him, no they wouldn't.
Have SO i guess it's all it's all reputational free.
Roles it just Doesn't and here this is it is
(25:41):
not demon's it's not complicated the analysis Of bill's broncos
it's really.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Not, Oh Josh, Allen Josh, allen go, ahead he pooped the.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Bed, yeah he.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Definitely he messed up pretty. BADLY i mean it's, uh
it's four. Turnovers that's that's a. LOT i was surprised
When germany got, fired to be, HONEST i MEAN i
know that is go. Ahead, NO i just know that
this is their, year and you, know if they lost
to The broncos or if they just lost in this playoff,
front it was gonna look. Bad but in that instance
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where it was four, TURNOVERS i just felt like they
might have let it ride a little.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Bit but, YEAH i thought so. Too, Maybe and we'll
get to the McDermott. Piece but, Guys i'm listening AND
i DMed bill about, This Bill. Barnwell i'm listening To
(26:41):
barnwell this. Morning who you guys, KNOW i have as
much respect for his football opinions as anyone in the.
World And i'm stunned because he's talking about how he
thought McDermott screwed up by not really impressing Upon Josh
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allen when they got the ball back with twenty seconds
left that he can't do something. Dumb And bill, said
AND i, quote you have to be aware you have
a lunaticket quarterback and it the agency removal from the
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soon to be thirty year old defending LEAGUE, mvp, like,
well we can't try to go get points here at
the end of the half because the guy might run
for no. Reason by the, way the scramble, was even
if he hadn't been. Sacked the scramble was a dumb.
(28:02):
Play i'm, sorry even if he hadn't, fumbled because they
had no, timeouts like you weren't Gonna it was just
a dead play the moment you don't throw the, ball
but that guy might just hold the ball like a
loaf of bread and lose the. Football you just gotta know. That.
Okay That so there's four, turnovers. Right the first one
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is right before the end of the. Half it's the
worst fumble of THE nfl. Season the second one is
right after the. Half it's a blind side hit. Him
you'd like him to hold onto the, ball but a
lot of quarterbacks have problems holding onto the ball this.
Weekend you want to give him a slight pass on,
that so be. It the third one is right after
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Bo nicks makes his only. Mistake you go for a
kill shot you don't need, to in a decent down
and distance on the fringe of field goal, range and
you throw a bad. Pass the fourth one is the
allegedly controversial. Interception more on that in a. Minute and
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in between the third and the, fourth you had two.
Passes one was, easy one was. Hard that would have
won the. Game you Had Khalil shakir on a wide
receiver screen THAT i know he would have scored a
touchdown on because he did score a touchdown on. It
but then we saw you one hopped it to, him
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and then what would have been a tough pass To
Dawson knox in the waning seconds that you. Missed now is?
Art is that asking a lot of the? Quarterback not?
Really but is it certainly holding him to a highest.
Standard but the reason this is, fair and the reason
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some of The Josh allen media commentary is so, maddening
is because folks can't help themselves but one up the.
Hyperbole it's no longer enough to SAY i think he,
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might even though he's never been to a Super, bowl
and even though three hundred and sixty days ago he
for the fourth time in the playoffs shared a field
With Patrick mahomes and for the fourth time was outplayed and.
Lost even though those that, HAPPENED i think he might
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be the best quarterback in the, league that's not. Enough
and even though two of his contemporaries have more league
MVPs than him during his during this, Run patrick And,
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lamar and those same two guys have more first team
all pros than him in this, run and another one
of his contemporaries has been to A Super, bowl And
burrow Forget patrick going to five and winning, three even
though all those things are the. Case calling him hands
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down the best player in the, league that's not enough.
Either and in the last cup few, months and this
is not a straw, man and this is from not
only PEOPLE i, like but one of, them my dearest
(32:04):
friend and boss at The Volume, coward call him the
most talented player, ever, ever the most talented quarterback. Ever greeny, yesterday,
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yesterday after the forward turnover game said does as a
matter of, fact no one has ever played the position.
Better if that is the way he has, discussed then
(32:47):
you can't also do a blame, pie blaming McDermott And,
Brandon bean and brand And cooks and the poor left
guard who didn't fall On allen's fumble when we're discussing
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them losing a playoff game when he had four. Turnovers
he's the only guy in the league that when they,
win he's an all time. Legend and when they, lose
even when it's because of his, mistakes it's got to
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be someone else's. Fault you are. Not it is not
a tenable sports opinionist position to continually call a player
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better than historic legends and contemporaries that have more pelps
on the wall by a wide, margin and then give
him a full on pass for a playoff meltdown.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
And he's on the record saying that he feels like
it let his team.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Down, well that's the other. Thing Josh allen is is
more of a realist about what happened than his media.
Sycophants Josh allen was in. Tears you know why because
he is the best player on the. Team, obviously he
is their. Leader he is the reason they're, there and
he blew. It that's, Okay it's, Sports and it wouldn't
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be that big of a deal IF i didn't have
to listen to people the day after it happens still
say he's the no one's ever played the position? Better
are you fucking kidding? Me, like take my homes out of.
It i'm gonna go out on a limb and SAY
i Think Tom brady plays the position better Than Josh. Allen,
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yeah LIKE i and SO i there is an element of.
Demons last week there was a little media or a
little mini media and we talked about it, firestorm About Lynn,
jones the older black. Lady oh, yeah he said To Liam,
(35:24):
cohen like hold your head up, high. Yep all these
folks were, like once you, turn once you become, media
you don't root. Anymore you don't do, That and then
those same people are sending. Tweets my heart breaks For Josh.
Allen he does why? What? LIKE i don't mean why like?
(35:46):
That LIKE I i understand feeling empathy for a person
that's a great player that you feel like can't get
over the. HUMP i understand, that but the he. Doesn't
you don't THINK. Cj stroud feels like shit this? WEEKEND i.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You don't think the guy gets stopped so many. TIMES
i also think people just get caught up with the
physicals Of Josh, allen like he's, Perfect like he's got
the big, arm he can run, around he's a big.
Dude but, yeah he obviously.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Is part of being an all time great is being
able to harness your greatest attributes while minimizing the risk
associated with. Them AND i have watched the he has been.
(36:52):
Incredible that last year's playoff game Against Kansas, city he
fumbled three. Times they recovered all of them the year
before the playoff game Against Kansas, city on what they
thought was gonna be the game tying, drive he fumbled
(37:13):
running around like he did at midfield near. Halftime it
should have been scooped and scored by The. Chiefs one
of his teammates fell on it after The chiefs kicked.
It he's loose with the, ball and when he switches
(37:34):
his style up to not be loose with the, ball
his gaudy stats go. Down that's when his passing yardage
numbers go. Down and all he has not yet shown
the ability to have the type of season where you
(37:56):
get the crazy gaudy numbers without the crazy, turnovers which is.
FINE i still think he's the second best quarterback in the.
League but you got to call a spade a spade
on a four turnover playoff, game AND i he was
(38:19):
fine with. It he knew he blew. It and then
the get to the follow ups because there's a lot
about the calls and the whining and all of, it
so you can go to all.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
This, Yeah so after the, Game Josh, Allen Dion, dawkins
And Raynon cooks were all very emotional in their. Interviews and.
Crying how do you feel about players crying after a
round two?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Exits SO i think a couple of. Things, LISTEN i
it does now seem like The bills were going to
fire McDermott if they didn't make The Super. Bowl if
they hadn't made that decision after seeing how emotional the players,
WERE i would have felt, like, Sorry, sean even if
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it's not your, fault we have To we can't just
run this. Back this is a this is a scarred,
team and and the. Demanse why do you think The
bills were so devastated about this loss in this postseason
BECAUSE i have a, Theory.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Well this is their this was their, desk this was
their shot this. Year, LIKE i just feel like this
was because nobody ELSE'S i, mean you're you Got Drake,
may you got all THE i mean you just Got Matt, Stafford, Mahomes,
burrow Uh, at you, Know, Lamar they're all.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Gone it's SO i think they clearly viewed it as
The chiefs aren't there and this is our. Moment and
That's and by the, way certainly the, media after they
reacted to the McDermott, firing kept bringing up that this
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was the moment with The chiefs aren't. There and this
is the other, thing If i'm being transparent, here that
frustrates me about the just blowing, past Like josh Past
patrick in this quarterback, hierarchy folks simultaneously have this Opinion
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josh is clearly the best quarterback in the. League he's
better Than. Mahomes he's been better Than mahomes last few.
Years they believe, that while simultaneously believing this was such
a massive missed opportunity for The Buffalo bills because they
finally would have been able to get to a Super
bowl without actually having to Beat Patrick mahomes like that it.
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WAS i think they did view it as the path is,
clear AND i only they viewed it as the path
was clear Because lamar wasn't, there Because josh has Played
lamar twice in the playoffs and beat them. BOTH i
don't think they viewed as the path that's clear Because
burrow's not, there Because burrow only been there the last three.
YEARS i think they viewed as the path that's clear
Because patrick's not there and they didn't get. There. Uh
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the crying was interesting to me BECAUSE i just don't
remember the last LIKE i felt Like cam cried after
the Super bowl and people killed him for. It this
is a divisional round, game but they really thought they
were right there and AND i. DIDN'T i we're going
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to talk about the calls here in a. Second in,
fact let's just get to it right, now. Demons let's
get to the, calls and we'll get To.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Rmott you always hated how the media talks about calls
by the. Refs was The Brandon cooks play extra? Infuriating
the talks that surrounded that.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
ONE i just listen shout. Out did you See Joe burrow?
TWEETED i did See Joe burrow's Tweet Joe? Burrow who
doesn't Tweet Joe? BURROW i just want to read, you.
Guys Joe Burrow's twitter History april twenty, sixth twenty twenty. Four,
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okay so a year and a half ago or almost
two years, ago eighteen, games question, mark two bye. Weeks july,
fifteenth twenty twenty, five a one click captionless retweet Of
Netflix sports promoting quarterback and that's. It so he has
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not written a tweet Since april of twenty twenty. Four
and then he writes the amount of people that don't
understand what a catch is in the rule. Book flabbergasts.
Me and it's not the. Officials the two plays yesterday
were not difficult calls and they got them both, right
of course they. Did and THESE I i want to
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be on the record about. THIS i. AM i find
this to be very very, binary AND i this Will
i'm sure hurt some people's, feelings BUT i stand by.
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It if you are someone who posts still images as
evident something was or wasn't to, catch you are either
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far far far dumber than you think you, are or
you're being disingenuous. Us there is nothing to be learned
about what is or isn't a catch from a. Screenshot
that's not how it. Works and folks acting like The
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DeVante adams The Davante adams actual catch was the same
play as The Brandon cook's non, catch are are again
either idiots or. LIARS i don't see a.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
DIFFERENCE i thought about it as A ravens, fan like
That isaiah likely touchdown where he caught the, Ball LIKE
i feel like took a step and let the ball go,
Immediately like if that wasn't a catch right, there then
The Brandon coach thing definitely isn't a. Catch he just
never never really.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Had here's here's the QUESTION i would ask, everybody are
you guys arguing if that you're saying it was a,
catch that if The bronco's defensive back had you, know
not secured it and it hit the, ground that that
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would have been a fumble because that's where you're arguing
that that would have been a. Fumble of course that
would have been a. Fumble it's an incomplete. Pass He
i'm not going to explain the rules to. Everybody unbelievable
play By people are showing The Xavier worthy play from last.
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Year The Xavier worthy play from last year was actual.
Simult people are, like, oh simultaneous possession goes to the offensive.
Player simultaneous possession means simultaneous. Possession bardon. Me The Xavier worthy.
Play two guys went up for the. Ball they both
came to the. Ground when the refs come over and whistle,
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it they're both holding onto the. Ball that simultaneous. Possession this,
One Brandon cooks went up for, it him in his.
Shoulder he momentarily split second long enough for a screenshot
though controlled, it but before he completed the process of the.
Catch The broncos guy took it from. Him that's a.
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Pick davante caught the, ball tucked, it took two, steps got,
hit hit the, ground and then had it ripped. Away
that's down by. Contact these aren't. Complicated AND i THINK
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i here's the other reason. Why and maybe it was
that McDermott Knew demante he was gonna be. Fired but
you can't blaming the refs like that and then call
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the media from the team plane to blame them some.
More is the lack of accountability there is bad and
it is the second year in a row The bills
have lost the playoff. Game and for a lot of
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folks involved with that, team and for a lot of
their just blatant apologists in the, media they didn't. Lose
they got. Screwed remember last, Year Josh allen got that
first down on that tush. PUSH i swear he. DID
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i watched it with my own two. Eyes.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
YEAH i still he got the media calling it. CONTROVERSIAL
i THINK i just heard that the other day that CALL.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
I thirteen seconds game. Unfair didn't get the? Ball change the.
Rules everybody knows If Josh allen had gotten the ball in,
overtime he would have gone and scored a. Touchdown pop
quiz hot shot the six other overtime Games Josh allen's
been in where he did get the. Ball how many
touchdowns has his team? Scored the answer is. Zero how
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many games has the team? Won the answer is. Zero
how many total points have they scored in those seven overtime,
games six of which they got the? Ball the answer is.
Three so maybe they would have, scored maybe they would have.
WON i don't, Know but luckily THE nfl changed the
rules for. Him they get stuffed on the toush. Push
NOW i supported, this but the timeline is. True The
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bills lose a playoff game because they can't execute tousch.
Push the league holds a vote to outlaw the touch. Push,
AGAIN i don't think that's the real, reason but it
is the. Timeline and now we got, folks and this
was That Greg rosenthal had it and he's. Right the
tell that a lot of the media didn't actually think
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it was the wrong call was they weren't saying they
got it. Wrong they were, saying why didn't you take
more time to review? It and then these these these
dopes are saying and it's this is just dumb folks
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then creating this. Conspiracy they didn't want to stop and review, It,
demonse Because fox had already pushed back the start of
THE Nfc championship game and they wanted to get to.
It can you can you people not? Again f forget the?
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How what an outrageous conspiracy that? Is let's just say
that conspiracy is. True That fox pressed the red button
and was, like this game's gotta. End do you know
the quickest way to? End bill's broncos in The Brandon
cooks moment rule it a, catch they're the ten in sudden.
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Death he just kick a field. Goal the game's? Over
like what when you when you? Have AND i want
to say one other thing for remove, on BECAUSE i
know a lot of people are, Saying, nick what you're
accusing the media of doing With Josh allen you do
With Patrick, Mahomes AND i would say that is in
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one way true and in one way totally. Incorrect here's
the way that it's. TRUE i openly root for one.
TEAM i don't pretend Like i'm a wholly unbiased. Observer
if somebody came out and was just Like i'm from
and some of these guys Like Ariol. Hawane give, it
he's not AN nfl the coverage, guy But Ariol hawani's From,
(50:49):
buffalo loves The, bills roots a GREAT I I i
cover the whole. LEAGUE i root for The. CHIEFS i
have a relationship With. Patrick he's my favorite player. Ever
everybody knows that going. In that's first of. All second of,
all all, Right, nick but even past, that you Treat
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patrick like he's above criticism on certain. THINGS i do
have a, tendency whether they're my guy or, not that
if one guy before he turned twenty nine was already
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the second or third most decorated winner in the history
of the, league to give them the benefit of the.
Doubt if one guy has been to Five Super bowls
one three is second all time in playoff win second
all time in playoff, touchdowns second all time In Super bowl,
(51:54):
MVPs i do think that guy second all time In
Super bowl star, art tied for third all time In
Super bowl. WINS i do think that guy has earned
us a little more of a benefit of the doubt
than a guy than anybody who's never won and never
(52:17):
even been in the game To win's.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Not turn the ball over four times in the second.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
ROUND i, mean give me a. BREAK i, mean give
me a. BREAK i, Mean i'm glad you said, That,
demanse Because Listen patrick has had one and a half
really rough Super. Bowls there's there's no way around. It
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and when it comes to the goat, conversation that's a
fair thing to bring. Up as far as in the
postseason prior to The Super bowl those how many? Games
is that he's played twenty one playoff? Games he's played
five Super. Bowls so those sixteen playoff games where he
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is fourteen and two and has let me go ahead
and just check it real, quick six plus oh, yeah
forty two touchdowns and three interceptions in the wildcard, round divisional,
round and conference championship and the divisional round where he's
seven to. Zero. Yeah how many? Fumbles great? Question great?
(53:36):
Question two fumbles? Lost, okay eight fumbles total in those,
uh in those sixteen. GAMES I i, mean give me a,
break give me a. Break and it used to be
a straw. Man folks, said, like, well nobody's actually saying
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these guys are better than in. Mahomes and now not
only are they saying, that that's that that take has
become too luke, warm and it's gotta. Be he's the
most talented player. Ever AND i rooted for The bills
this year and bet. THEM i was at a casino
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In philly playing poker in the, morning and then sitting
in the sportsbook watching the divisional round. GAME i kept
betting The. Bills what do you what do you? Laugh?
Speaker 2 (54:34):
YEAH i KEPT i should have TAKEN.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
I just kept betting The. BILLS i bet him before the,
game and then when they fell down, EARLY i bet
him again at plus, money and then at HALFTIME i
bet him. AGAIN i just kept betting The. BILLS i was, like,
There allen's gonna come through. HERE i was rooting for The.
Bills but fairs, fair, folks those forty five minutes on that. Game,
(55:04):
yeah this one you never? Notice how got you? GOING i,
mean it's just, again it's it's it's remarkable to me
That Josh allen gets it more than the folks who
cover the. Sport just. Remarkable you ever notice everything keeps going?
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Speaker 2 (55:49):
Plan.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
OH i never even DEMANDS a got to the McDermott
firing piece of, it which IS, i if you were GONNA,
i if you're gonna fire one of McDermot Or, BEAN
i would have thought it would have Been, bean AND
i also thought they maybe would fire. BOTH i didn't
Think bean would get a promotion out of. This the
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once we get a better idea on who they're going to,
INTERVIEW i we can talk about this maybe more On.
Thursday BUT i there have only been a handful of
instances IN nfl history To monsey where a LEAGUE mvp
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who hasn't turned thirty yet his like his head coach positions,
available and two of them are right now With lamar And.
Josh and it's you know, What i'll Just i'm gonna
talk about this more ON. Tv IF i were The,
(57:02):
Bills i'd swallow. Hard i'd hope that the weather in
the town is not really what his girlfriend is, into
and that maybe should you, know they can have a
long distance thing for a. Bit AND i would Ask
(57:24):
Bill belichick to come coach my football team for three,
years because if you are in when now win this minute,
mode Hiring Joe brady Or Davis webb or any of
these first time head coaches is such a hard. Ask
AND i don't Think Brian dable is an upgrade Over sean.
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McDermott so, YEAH I i would Go. BELICHICK i would try.
Again belichick's like player evaluation stuff doesn't matter as much
because this would be a short term. Thing it'd Be,
bill go break the, record win a Super bowl is
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stick it to The pats who think this is their.
MOMENT i think you could entice. Him AND i don't
Think Bill. BELLA i Understand North carolina hasn't gone. GREAT
i don't think that he's lost his ability to coach professional.
FOOTBALL i. Don't all, right let's Talk Rams.
Speaker 2 (58:27):
Bears So rams escaped out Of chicago with a. Win
caleb pulled off some crazy stuff to force it in a,
ot but he also threw the game ceiling pick that
into the. Game what did you make Of caleb's game
and this, Season.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
Well, listen it's a resounding successful season For. CALEB i.
THINK i think it's. Undeniable and here's WHAT i would.
Say the things that are either, uncoachable like just inherent
to a, player or the hardest things to coach are
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things such as, arm, talent, poise under, pressure, athleticism and,
escapability And caleb is a ten out of ten on
all of those. Things the things that should be easiest to,
coach footwork and accuracy are the places he needs the most.
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Improvement so that makes me incredibly bullish on, him AND
i do feel a little Vindicated demanse for his placement
On Mahomes mountain as a college. Sophomore when you see
this type of holy, shit what did that guy just?
Speaker 2 (59:48):
DO i could not believe that that was kind of
that might have been the craziest Play i've ever seen,
Football like just seeing if you press pause at one,
point just seeing how that turned into a touchdown was just.
Insane but yet.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
A touchdown on fourth and four in the playoffs with
twenty seconds. Left, DUDE i mean it's it's As and
by the, WAY i don't think it was a better
throw than the one last week.
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
He.
Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Had he had in back to back playoff, games he
had fourth down plays that if they don't, convert they
lose the, game and made plays THAT i truly believe
the only other player in the league who would have
(01:00:46):
been able to do it. Exactly like if it's, like,
hey recreate, THIS i think the only other Player i've
ever seen that could recreate both of them Is patrick
and the roll into your left throw and then the
running backwards thirty yards and then he's it's. Unbelievable, now
(01:01:06):
with that, said this might have been a missed. Opportunity
they had the ball in. Overtime it was sudden. Death you,
don't you.
Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
DON'T i think they should have went for the two point.
Version you don't want to take the rams to. OVERTIME
i think you have mo. MINUM i think they should
have done for the two point, version but they still
got a.
Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Chance it's just so his decision to trust his defense
was vindicated by the fact the defense force the three
and out and they got the. BALL I i thought
they were going to go for. Two let me say
that on the front, END i respect the fact that
(01:01:50):
Uh Ben johnson's gut is to go for, two and
he pivoted because he thought the game situation dictated not to.
That he wasn't just an auto two point. Conversion pressed
the button because he thought we've sucked it short yardage.
(01:02:13):
Today we've sucked at the goal, Line we've sucked it short,
yardage so we're not doing. IT i also do think
there is an element of it should be. Noted let
me put it like, this if they go for, two,
(01:02:33):
demanse then the let me how many? TIMEOUTS i WISH
i knew how many timeouts The rams. Had UH i
thought The rams had a timeout. LEFT i could be. Wrong,
no they, did because let me check the bears last,
drive And i'll know. It BECAUSE i thought The rams
(01:02:56):
should have been using their, timeouts but they. Didn't so
let me just check timeout one by The. Rams, yes all.
Right so here's the thing about going for. Two if
they go for, two you're kicking off with eighteen seconds
(01:03:16):
left and The rams of two, timeouts and they are
obviously gonna try, it you, know like they're not going
for two with eighteen seconds. Left even if you get
it doesn't end the.
Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Game, YEAH i, mean and defense has to stop like
maybe three, plays two or three.
Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Places, No and SO I i JUST i understood him
not going for. IT i was, surprised BUT i understood.
It and this is the other side of, it is
THIS i think that was PROBABLY Dj moore's screw. Up,
okay on the interception in, OVERTIME Dj moore seemed to
(01:03:55):
lollygag the. Route But caleb doesn't have to go for
that kill shot. There it's second and, eight you're at.
Midfield it's a field goal wins. It so that's a.
Mistake and this one stings for The bears because again
every year you're this close and you've got a real,
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shot and it feels, like oh, man we made a.
Mistake that that's really. Painful it's just really. Painful and
So i'm optimistic and bullish on The, bears but that
is a painful. Loss The, rams on the other, hand
here's the. Deal The rams are my pick to win
The Super. Bowl they have not played well in either playoff.
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Game there's two ways to look at. That one is
they're just not playing well right, now and they're about
to get clocked By. Seattle another way to look at
it is they've made the conference championship game despite not playing,
well and they're about to play their best game of the.
Postseason the first time they Played, seattle they Put Sam
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darnold in, hell and the second time they Played, seattle
they had that game in total control and it took
an insane confluence of events for them to lose. It
but that is why this game is In seattle and
Not Los. ANGELES i Think stafford's gonna play, better and
at Least stafford this week and has been one of
the few quarterbacks who has been able to not you,
(01:05:29):
know be a turnover. Machine speaking of a turnover, machine
let's get To. Pats.
Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Texans patriots are headed back to THE Afc Conference conference
game for the first time in a. Decade, now this
was not. Smooth the defense gave The patriots and, fits
but they also got to PLAY.
Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Cj.
Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Stroud Did New england win the game or did The
texans lose?
Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
It let me say this About New. England they have
won both of their playoff games, easily and their quarterback
hasn't played well. Yet now he's made some great, plays
but the fumbles are. Crazy he just keeps fumbling the.
Ball the offensive line hasn't played great that. Listen the
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past To booty to put the game away in the
end zone was really. Good the catch was. Unbelievable and
you guys know how HIGH i am On Drake. May
but he has shown some playoff game. Jitters and now
The pats are huge favorites in the conference championship game
and they can go back to the Super bowl Without
(01:06:31):
Drake may playing. Great, yet with that, SAID i think
they needed to BENCH cj at. Halftime that Was Davis
mills started three games for them this, year at five,
touchdowns one. Turnover they went three to. Zero all they
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had to do was get some type of spark. Offensively
AND i don't know what was going on WITH, cj
because That pats defense is, good but it is not,
great AND I cj Is and the THING i the
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argument demons against BENCHING cj is, well he's our franchise.
Guy who can't do that to?
Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Him he is the.
Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Thing they're about to do that to him this summer
when they don't offer him a contract, extension like he
is going to get, that by the, way he's Got
they're gonna pick up his fifth year, option and and
THEN i would imagine they're gonna, say go play out
your four and then we'll, see we, said because he
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still has essentially two years left on his rookie. Deal
So's i'm not like saying they're gonna move OFF. Cj.
Stroud but after three years is when franchise quarterbacks get their.
Extensions he ain't getting, that and he's got to figure
out what the hell's going on. There and all they
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had that, defense and they also got. UNLUCKY i, Mean
Drake may fumbled inside the, five that ball bounced Around patriots.
Recovery there was another fumble that it looked like The
texans could have scooped and, scored but because they had
been not falling on, fumbles they just fell on it like.
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That texans defense was ferocious as, advertised and THE. Cj
pick six was just impossibly. Bad at that, point he
had been turning the ball, over but they had the,
lead they were up ten to, seven and that pick
six flipped the whole. GAME i don't know what's happened TO. Cj.
SHROUD i joke ON tv about the lecture that led
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to the losing that, ever since The Kala Big brother.
Stuff he is the same. GUY i don't actually think
that is what, happened but it is crazy who he
Was demanse his rookie year and who he's been the last.
Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
TWO i mean he was out just sumo wrestling with
Like Michael parsons and calling himself like a top three
quarterback and stuff on. PODCASTS i feel, like, yeah after first.
Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
SEAT i mean, yes but that's that still doesn't explain
last year then should have been a bit of a
wake up call for. Him, Yeah and SO i DON'T
i don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
How much of it are we putting on THE o.
Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Line oh line's. BAD i mean you're putting putting a
fair amount of it on THE o. Line but then
just eat the ball like some of these he threw
four Picks, tomnse he could have thrown, seven like there
were another three or. Four that's, like oh, GOD i
mean that that was just. Brutal and by the, way
(01:10:01):
he was. Awful and round one, YEAH i mean that
was just.
Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Carried he's being.
Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Carried. MAN i feel sick for that. Defense that defense is.
Unbelievable all, right let's speaking of unbelievable. Defenses let's Talk Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Niners seattle dominated The niners this, weekend like from the
opening kickoff headed into championship, weekends The seahawks are The
Super bowl. Favorite and do you think That vegas has that?
Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
CORRECT i, mean, Listen i'm gonna pick The. Rams But
seattle's earned The they've earned. This they they Beat carolina
by seventeen right before the, playoffs they beat The niners by.
Ten they just beat The niners by thirty. Five and
(01:10:49):
they did it all without their quarterback playing that. Well
and classic one by me WHEN i was Your classic
one Or classic, Two i'm not. Sure great opinion by,
Me pat myself on the back trade deadline, Day Quinn
williams to The, Cowboys Sauce gardner to The, colts AND
(01:11:10):
i went ON tv and, said the most impactful trade
of the day Is Rashid shaheed to The. Seahawks Rashid
shaheed in The rams game that, One i'm home field
advantage got uh had the punt return that got the comeback.
Going And Rashid shaheed's kick return in this game opened
the floodgates and so, uh The seahawks have just been utterly.
(01:11:34):
DOMINANT i do Think we're in store, though for a very,
close EXCELLENT nfc championship. Game and if that's the, context
all Trust Stafford, LATE i know it's. Simple And, seattle,
Listen mike McDonald's been unbelievable and that defense is. Underrated
the loss Of charbonnay is, big And seattle did what
(01:11:57):
a one seed against you, know beat Up niners team
was supposed to. Do you know? WHO i bet watched
that game and felt, like my, god we really. Blew
it was The. Eagles The eagles are like That niners
team came to our building and beat. Us, yeah, like
(01:12:19):
that's just that's a rough. One all? Right what Other
niners questions you have for? Him forty move?
Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
On you were open to pivoting on, party, uh seeing
how he played in this game Against. Seahawks how do
you feel now after that? Performance is? That?
Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Listen i'm not gonna he was obviously, bad But i'm
not gonna hang him for that. Performance that whole team
was bad and So i'm not gonna kill. Him BUT
i had he been good in that game and it's,
like oh my, god this team moved like that would
have made, me you, know. Reevaluate But i'm not going
(01:12:57):
to kill him for that.
Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Performance how would you describe the forty nine ers window, open, closed.
Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
CLOSING i think they're in a transition, period BUT i
thought that this year and they had all the injuries
and they got the divisional. Round shanahan's so, good.
Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Man it can't be.
Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Closed it can't be closed With, shanahan it just. Can't
he's so. Good but No, KITTLE i, MEAN i guess
we'll see About, kittle but The, achilles we'll see About
miccaffrey after all this, Workload Losing Robert salah is a big.
Deal But shanahan's so. Good all, Right let's get to listening.
Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Questions billy asks why are people so hesitant on calling
Out Josh allen but have little no issue banging on
Mahomes jalen And lamar.
Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
LISTEN i bouncing around a lot of this quarterback criticism
commentary has been a not so subtle racial, Component, yeah
where people have wondered about whether or not certain quarterbacks
get favorable coverage or less than favorable coverage based on. Race,
(01:14:07):
okay and anybody that's consumed any of my content for
any point of my career KNOWS i believe in a
way That i'm sure annoys a lot of the. AUDIENCE
i Think race touches every single thing In america in
ways that people you know are either blissfully unaware of
(01:14:32):
or hyper aware. Of and so there is almost nothing
no question you could ask me, that my answerould, be,
Oh race plays no factor in it. Whatsoever, okay so
let me say that on the front. END i Don't,
HOWEVER i don't see because a lot of people bring
(01:14:54):
up like The josh Criticism lamar. CRITICISM i happen to
think That lamar gets mostly a pass from most folks,
Too And i've said that for a. While it has
felt like for years it was just me And shannon
as the only people that would be, Like lamar is
(01:15:15):
bad and the Like as has had these bad. Moments
SO i don't look At lamar as like being overly, criticized,
RIGHT i also think there is there is Also again
this is too complex to get. Into but you Saw
Nick young swaggy pe or you know you know that is? Right?
(01:15:35):
Yeah it during he, tweeted uh he he tweeted during
the show after The ravens season, ended or they Fired,
HARBALL i don't. Know but during our a block WHEN i,
(01:15:58):
WAS i don't Know lamar he tweeted something about THESE
fs one shows in the way they talk about black.
Quarterbacks oh, oh and Then Lamar's entertainment company retweeted it
with a little bulls.
Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
EYE i.
Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Think and there is a really And i'm not going
to get into it now because i just don't have
the bandwidth for. It there's a and it's really a
longer form. Discussion there's a really interesting discussion to be
had about folks who look At Patrick, Mahomes Jalen, Hurts Caleb,
(01:16:47):
Williams Lamar jackson and criticizing or complimenting black quarterbacks and
what resonates and what, doesn't and so it there is it.
Is it would be ridiculous on its face to be
(01:17:09):
Like Nick nick's got something against black quarterbacks when favorite
player of all Times Patrick mahomes AND i When caleb
was a sophomore in, COLLEGE i was, saying it's six
best quarterback in. Football BUT i think some folks, like,
yeah but you go At lamar and you haven't believed
in jail and and there IS i mean dem demons
(01:17:32):
on the. Screen. Again, No i'm not saying it's like
Sourism i'm not saying like a skin tone, thing But
i'm saying that it is about who people. THINK i
just think it's about how people view these other people.
(01:17:56):
RACIALLY i think there is that, element and so it's
it's not a skin tone thing as much as it
is just how they view those. Players and SO i
The SO i am not trying to act LIKE i
believe race plays no part in quarterback. EVALUATIONS i think
(01:18:18):
it clearly and obviously. Does BUT i also think That
lamar has Gotten when you, know When lamar's team has
blown it in the playoffs and he's turned the ball,
over people are, like why didn't they run the ball?
More and his coach also got. Fired SO i DON'T
i don't Think lamar has, gotten you, know pilloried by the.
Media and so.
Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
That's that's pretty similar with the way that they're, discussed
to be, honest that's how it.
Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Feels now you want to, say, Again mahomes has gotten
passes at my answer would, be, yeah he's been to
Five Super. Bowls here's one three of. Them he's going
to build up a little, equity all. Right, Now.
Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Eric, asks would any of Your Josh allen criticisms apply
To lebron pre twenty, twelve and can we see a
similar turnaround in playoff.
Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Accomplishments at Least lebron in twenty twelve had been to
The Championship brown. Twice lebron in twenty twelve was the
most the most decorated regular season player of his. Era
(01:19:31):
josh is neither of, those. Right lamar And patrick are
more decorated regular season. Players lamar has never been to
The Championship, brown SO I i don't think that is
going to. APPLY i do Think Josh allen's gonna win
a Super. Bowl that's the other, thing and then we'll
leave it at. THIS i do Think Josh allen's going
(01:19:52):
to win a Super. BOWL i want to be.
Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Here Josh allen is gonna be a really good older.
QUARTERBACK i THINK i see.
Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
That i'm a little worried about BECAUSE i don't. KNOW
i don't know how well his body's gonna hold. Up
BUT i think he's gonna win a Super. Bowl but,
folks here here's my last thing on. This, folks leave
yourself some room for compliment growth once he wins the Super,
(01:20:20):
bowl because if he's the best quarterback alive and the
most talented player ever, before he's been to a Super.
Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Bowl then The, Bills, yeah you're gonna give him in,
quarterback give him The.
Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Nobel Peace prize when he finally wins. It and if
you do, that then we're definitely gonna Invade. Greenland talk
to you guys On. Thursday what's, right
Welcome in what driving Nickbride episode four seventeen. Oh, my goodness, gracious,
the light on my wonderful boost sign went out. Hold
on a second cloch, there we go. My goodness. I
just looked back. I gotta say, you know what, I
usually point fingers, not or point thumbs, not fingers. I'm
pointing fingers at that one. That's a that's a production area.
(00:22):
You guys have got to look behind me. Got to
have my back there. Welcome in Demn's. That's also on you.
You can see behind me better than I can't hower you.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
That's what bad good to see. Pops, be good, can.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Complain new shirt looking great shirt?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yep, every time mom comes to town. When she leaves,
i'll have it shirt.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I picked your mom up from the airport last night,
and we were not yet to the people movers on
you know, walking the little the escalators that are flat
on the ground. I think they're called people movers. We
had gone twelve feet from baggage claim before she said,
(01:03):
I don't know what I'm gonna do. I missed that
baby so much. Yeah, and then she just kept showing
me videos.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, they had a great time. But she also showed
me a video of her dancing and rapping along with
the baby, and I said to her. I said to her,
I was like, Demanse's not gonna like that. She was like,
I know, she, I know, it's a weird thing. I
was like, I knew it. I just knew it one
hundred percent. I was like, he's not gonna like that,
(01:38):
all right, but she's back. You're in la a lot
to do. My favorite NFL weekend of the year just ended,
and that it's not the lead today because we did
get a call it a semi classic National championship game
last night. The game was an a min the storylines
(02:01):
were in a triple plus. So we will get to
all of that. Then we will get to the divisional
round from the weekend, and we will get to what
should not have been a difficult assignment for my colleagues
in the media, but it is simply too much for
them at times. I guess to follow the logical consistency
(02:28):
of if I regularly call a certain player not only
the best player in the league, but maybe the most
talented player I've ever seen, and speak in those hyperbolic
terms for turnover playoff games, probably shouldn't happen. But that's it.
(02:50):
It's a bridge too far for some. So we will
get to all of that, but first we have to
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you by boost Mobile. Some awful news overnight for the
Warriors and for well more so for Jimmy Butler than
(03:10):
for the Warriors. I should start with the player rather
than the team, but that's a torn acl and for
Jimmy Butler, and at his age, I that might be
an abrupt end to Jimmy Butler as a super impactful
(03:33):
NBA player. It's thirty five years old. You now expect
him to be out at least, you know, to this
point next year. I would call it probably the All
Star break next year. That's brutal for a guy who
I believe is a future Hall of Famer and such
a unique career. You hate to see him suffer that injury.
(03:54):
And for the team. That's just a wrap for the Warriors.
Like now, the the pipe dream of trading for Giannis
doesn't even make sense, and it they I don't know
what they do with the deadline. But I know that
for the Warriors, who were a middling team as is,
that's a rap for them. Sadly, the All Star starters
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have been announced in both conferences, Lebron not one of them.
That's fine. If somehow Lebron is not named to the
All Star team, given the precedent of Wizards Michael Jordan
and final year Kobe Bryant, I will do an entire
show on it. I'm telling you guys right now, heads up,
(04:38):
it will be a basketball crime if Lebron James in
year twenty three, particularly playing at the level that he is,
but with the precedent of if you're a no doubt
statue guy in the not just for a team, but
for the league, you're gonna be invited to the All
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Star Game, as Jordan was with the Wizards, and as
Kobe was in his final year. No matter what, if
they decide for Lebron that no longer is the case,
it'll be an outrage. But I don't think that's gonna happen.
And Eric b Enemy going back to the Kansas City
Chiefs and some other head coach hirings. Bob Sala goes
to the Titans. Kevin Stefanski goes to the Falcons. You
(05:24):
wonder if Stefanski wishes he had known the Bills job
was coming open before he took that Falcons job. And
Jeff Halfley goes to the Dolphins. I'm gonna go ahead
and go on the record and say I don't think
the Halfley thing is gonna work. I think the Stefanski
thing will be fine. And I'm a little optimistic about Sala.
If cam Ward is the guy that some people hope
(05:47):
he can be, I think Sala has shown he'll give
you a great defense. We've never seen him be a
head coach with a good quarterback, so we'll see. Reminder
to everybody like rate subscribe review to the show. It
greatly helps us out National Championship game last night, Demonsey,
let's get to it.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, last night Indiana capped off their perfect season with
the National Championship. They pulled a game from Miami. How
impressed were you with the heisman, Fernando Mendoza and the Hoosiers.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Well, I'll get to Mendoza second, the Hoosiers first. I
Am not going to spend as much time on this
as maybe others because this is the rare sports topic
where I just don't think there are even allowable differing opinions.
(06:40):
It is quite simply, as a matter of fact, not
as a matter of an opinion, as of opinion, one of,
if not the greatest program turnarounds in the history of
college sports. What Kurt Signetti is done at Indiana in
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two years is unprecedented in major American sports. And even
after the year they had last season, this team was
more than one hundred to one to win this championship,
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and to go through the gauntlet that they did, to
go sixteen and zero, to be as buttoned up and
as well coached, and as just damn near flawless at
the fundamentals, it's unlike anything any of us have ever
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seen in our lives. The camp and this is I
guess maybe some would say me showing my Midwestern roots,
but the comp would be Bill Snyder at Kansas State.
Bill Snyder took over what was the worst team in
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major college football. And just a little context there, Kansas
State under it, I'll just read you the records of
its previous coaches before Bill Snyder. Okayh to ten, four
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and twenty six, fourteen and twenty four, fourteen and thirty four,
eight and sixty, thirty three and fifty two, six and
twenty seven, twenty six and twenty one, and then the
coach right before Bill Snyder went two and thirty. That's
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the team Bill Snyder took over, and by year five
they were a top twenty five team. By year ten
they were in contention for the national championship and they
won one, two, three, four five. They had seven ten
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or eleven win seasons. That was the greatest turnaround in
the history of college football. Prior to this, it took
years to do it. They won year were maybe had
(09:44):
a chance to play for a national title, and it
was just considered unreal that they were a perennial top
twenty five team. Indiana prior to Kurt Signetti won two, three,
(10:07):
four five six, had six years in one one hundred
and thirty years is a program demonse. Six out of
one hundred and thirty where they were in the top
twenty five. They had one year or I'm sorry, two
(10:32):
years nineteen forty five and nineteen sixty seven when they
were in the top ten. The year before he got there,
the three years before two and ten, four and eight,
three and nine. He gets there, they're eleven and one
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and in the playoff and they lose in the first round.
And then there's sixteen and zero.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
It is.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Unprecedented and I can't conceptualize it being duplicated. There is
there is no comp because Indiana was arguably the worst
program in college football and within two years they just
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ran the gauntlet to a national championship, and they didn't.
And people can say, oh, it's in I l it's this,
they didn't. It's a lot of James Madison kids. Now
a lot of them are older. I get that, and
they have the number one pick of the draft at
their quarterback as there, but it's still just an incomprehensible accomplishment.
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And then for Mendoza, he go from a two star
recruit that Miami didn't want to recruit even though he
was from there to the consensus number one pick of
the draft. And he looks the part and he talks
(12:16):
the part of a franchise quarterback. His toughness is unbelievable.
He's six'. FIVE I the intangibles seem to be. Unquestioned
the toughness seems to be. Unquestioned and we'll see if
(12:37):
he's good enough to do the, impossible which is make
The raiders. Relevant but The raiders are gonna get their.
Quarterback it's gonna Be Fernando. Mendoza and we'll see what
coach he, gets and we'll see if he can be
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joined with a coach that knows that what he's, doing
and see if all of a, sudden THE Afc west
becomes the best quarterback division there is. Potentially and so
shout out To. Mendoza his story is, great his family's.
Great that run to essentially win the national championship is
(13:24):
an all time. Moment AND i and also shout out To,
indiana WHO i did, pick WHO i thought could steal
it as good As signetti. WAS i thought the decision
up three with two minutes left to kick a field
(13:44):
goal on fourth and five was. Insane you guys know
my feeling on being up three rather than up. Six
i'd actually probably rather go for a fourth down and
miss it deep in the enemy territory with two minutes
left and be up, three then kick a field, goal
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then kick, off give him decent field, position and be up.
Six and that's exactly what he, chose the latter rather
than the, former and it looked like it was gonna bite.
Him but then the always POLARIZING i Guess Carson beck
(14:31):
made the one really bad decision he made all night
and they. Lose but the right team one In miami
deserves a ton of. Respect they were right. There they
could have stolen the whole. THING i Thought Chrysto baul
did a magnificent. Job they're running back number four And
Malachi tony are gonna be future awesome pros And Bain
(14:55):
man Oh. MAN i hope bain is there at number
nine for the The. CHIEFS i doubt he will, be
BUT i hope he. Is unbelievable season From. Miami the
most controversial inclusion in the college football playoff had the
ball on the plus side of the fifty down six
chance to win the title and made. Up you, know
(15:20):
kid made the bad. Throw But indiana is the story
of this college football season and one of the greatest.
Stories it's, again it's not. Hyperbole one of the greatest
stories in the history Of american sports is What Kurt
signetti just did In. Indiana you can't compet to any
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pro sport, turnaround because pro sports are an even level
ish playing. FIELD i don't know what to comp it,
to but it. Is it would feel like if somebody
all of a sudden took over THE umkc basketball team
and within two years they went undefeated and won the.
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it big.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Stuff so The broncos ended The bills season On, saturday
Got sean McDermott, fired so they obviously lost this. Game
Josh allen had four. Turnovers do you think that the
team built around him kind of Failed Josh? Allen or
do you think That Josh allen failed The bills with his?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Turnovers Defending LEAGUE mvp had four turnovers in a playoff,
game including one of the most cartoonish fumbles in the
history of the. League that, Happened, okay BEFORE i even
get in that that. Is you don't have to be
(19:10):
a die hard sports fan to. Understand, oh that's probably
that's probably why they. Lost, yeah BEFORE i get to
that piece of, it let me say this on the front, end,
Sincerely AND i Know broncos fans aren't gonna want to
hear this from, me and they might Say i'm full of. Shit.
(19:31):
WHATEVER i can't remember a more gutting postseason injury than
the one The broncos suffered to have won the game
be celebrating that you're going to the conference championship game at,
(19:55):
home have Beaten Josh allen and have watched Both nicks
play one of in my, opinion best games of his,
life and two separate times come through for you in
just huge spots before the half to put The bills on,
(20:16):
tilt which it's ten to ten with thirty seconds left
And Josh allen in the first, Half Josh allen has zero,
turnovers The bills are feeling. Fine Bow knicks hits that
deep bomb to the front corner of the end zone
to put The bills on their back, foot and then
late in the game down four drives them, down puts
(20:40):
them ahead with a minute. Left like whatever Skepticism i've
had about your, quarterback he was nails On saturday. Afternoon
however ANNOYING i have Found Sean payton to. Be he
called a hell of a, game and you're, Celebrating you're feeling,
(21:05):
great you really think you can win the Super, bowl
and then you find out on a somewhat nothing play
that no one even noticed your quarterback breaks his, an
broke his, ankle and kneeds. Surgery it's just a stomach
punch of all stomach, punches AND i do a Legitimate,
(21:26):
Again broncos, Fans you're allowed to hate, Me it's. FINE
i legitimately feel sick for, you, guys AND i don't it.
Obviously it's in the same bucket As Haliburton game seven
(21:48):
and the one you kind of because he had been
dealing with an injury that kind of specter. Loomed this
was just so out of. NOWHERE i don't even know.
Now on the bright, side it shouldn't impact your next
season at, all but this is who knows what next
season's gonna, Be So BRONCO'S i feel sick for, you,
(22:11):
sincerely and you guys have proven me wrong all, year
AND i just and. Bow If bo's gonna have a
come back down To earth, moment it ain't gonna be
this season because he ended last season or he ended
that he ended this. Season pardon. Me with probably the
(22:31):
best game of his, career all things, considered and in
my favorite football weekend of the year With Drake may
And Matt stafford And Josh allen and. C. J stroud
And Sam, darnold all those guys Playing Bo nicks played
the best. Game it just is what it. Is AND
(22:54):
i wonder why that version of COMMENTARY i just did
about Bone knicks so many folks have trouble doing in
(23:15):
the other. Direction it's one thing to say this, guy
this team THAT i have always been down, on OR
i have always, doubted he with his play proved me.
Wrong it does feel like people are have an easier
(23:40):
time doing that leap than the opposite, one which is this,
guy this, team this player THAT i have elevated beyond
any realistic place that is. Justifiable his play proved me.
(24:06):
Wrong and instead of being able to do that After
Josh allen's four turnover playoff, game folks are just going
out making a fools of. Themselves SO i understand The
(24:31):
bills would not have been there Without Josh. Allen no,
shit that is That if the standard is standard for
criticism is if a guy is the biggest reason a
team got to a, point then criticizing his play it
(24:53):
at that point is. Unfair THEN i guess we can
never criticize ANY nba superstar for a playoff performance, ever
because every SINGLE nba superstar is the reason their team
gets to the. Postseason and so THEN i guess if
(25:14):
You james harden, it you're just an, asshole if you're
like he cost his, team because the thirty FIVE iq, responses,
well would they have been there without? Him, no they wouldn't.
Have SO i guess it's all it's all reputational free.
Roles it just Doesn't and here this is it is
(25:41):
not demon's it's not complicated the analysis Of bill's broncos
it's really.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Not, Oh Josh, Allen Josh, allen go, ahead he pooped the.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Bed, yeah he.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Definitely he messed up pretty. BADLY i mean it's, uh
it's four. Turnovers that's that's a. LOT i was surprised
When germany got, fired to be, HONEST i MEAN i
know that is go. Ahead, NO i just know that
this is their, year and you, know if they lost
to The broncos or if they just lost in this playoff,
front it was gonna look. Bad but in that instance
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where it was four, TURNOVERS i just felt like they
might have let it ride a little.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Bit but, YEAH i thought so. Too, Maybe and we'll
get to the McDermott. Piece but, Guys i'm listening AND
i DMed bill about, This Bill. Barnwell i'm listening To
(26:41):
barnwell this. Morning who you guys, KNOW i have as
much respect for his football opinions as anyone in the.
World And i'm stunned because he's talking about how he
thought McDermott screwed up by not really impressing Upon Josh
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allen when they got the ball back with twenty seconds
left that he can't do something. Dumb And bill, said
AND i, quote you have to be aware you have
a lunaticket quarterback and it the agency removal from the
(27:41):
soon to be thirty year old defending LEAGUE, mvp, like,
well we can't try to go get points here at
the end of the half because the guy might run
for no. Reason by the, way the scramble, was even
if he hadn't been. Sacked the scramble was a dumb.
(28:02):
Play i'm, sorry even if he hadn't, fumbled because they
had no, timeouts like you weren't Gonna it was just
a dead play the moment you don't throw the, ball
but that guy might just hold the ball like a
loaf of bread and lose the. Football you just gotta know. That.
Okay That so there's four, turnovers. Right the first one
(28:32):
is right before the end of the. Half it's the
worst fumble of THE nfl. Season the second one is
right after the. Half it's a blind side hit. Him
you'd like him to hold onto the, ball but a
lot of quarterbacks have problems holding onto the ball this.
Weekend you want to give him a slight pass on,
that so be. It the third one is right after
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Bo nicks makes his only. Mistake you go for a
kill shot you don't need, to in a decent down
and distance on the fringe of field goal, range and
you throw a bad. Pass the fourth one is the
allegedly controversial. Interception more on that in a. Minute and
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in between the third and the, fourth you had two.
Passes one was, easy one was. Hard that would have
won the. Game you Had Khalil shakir on a wide
receiver screen THAT i know he would have scored a
touchdown on because he did score a touchdown on. It
but then we saw you one hopped it to, him
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and then what would have been a tough pass To
Dawson knox in the waning seconds that you. Missed now is?
Art is that asking a lot of the? Quarterback not?
Really but is it certainly holding him to a highest.
Standard but the reason this is, fair and the reason
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some of The Josh allen media commentary is so, maddening
is because folks can't help themselves but one up the.
Hyperbole it's no longer enough to SAY i think he,
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might even though he's never been to a Super, bowl
and even though three hundred and sixty days ago he
for the fourth time in the playoffs shared a field
With Patrick mahomes and for the fourth time was outplayed and.
Lost even though those that, HAPPENED i think he might
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be the best quarterback in the, league that's not. Enough
and even though two of his contemporaries have more league
MVPs than him during his during this, Run patrick And,
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lamar and those same two guys have more first team
all pros than him in this, run and another one
of his contemporaries has been to A Super, bowl And
burrow Forget patrick going to five and winning, three even
though all those things are the. Case calling him hands
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down the best player in the, league that's not enough.
Either and in the last cup few, months and this
is not a straw, man and this is from not
only PEOPLE i, like but one of, them my dearest
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friend and boss at The Volume, coward call him the
most talented player, ever, ever the most talented quarterback. Ever greeny, yesterday,
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yesterday after the forward turnover game said does as a
matter of, fact no one has ever played the position.
Better if that is the way he has, discussed then
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you can't also do a blame, pie blaming McDermott And,
Brandon bean and brand And cooks and the poor left
guard who didn't fall On allen's fumble when we're discussing
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them losing a playoff game when he had four. Turnovers
he's the only guy in the league that when they,
win he's an all time. Legend and when they, lose
even when it's because of his, mistakes it's got to
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be someone else's. Fault you are. Not it is not
a tenable sports opinionist position to continually call a player
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better than historic legends and contemporaries that have more pelps
on the wall by a wide, margin and then give
him a full on pass for a playoff meltdown.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
And he's on the record saying that he feels like
it let his team.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Down, well that's the other. Thing Josh allen is is
more of a realist about what happened than his media.
Sycophants Josh allen was in. Tears you know why because
he is the best player on the. Team, obviously he
is their. Leader he is the reason they're, there and
he blew. It that's, Okay it's, Sports and it wouldn't
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be that big of a deal IF i didn't have
to listen to people the day after it happens still
say he's the no one's ever played the position? Better
are you fucking kidding? Me, like take my homes out of.
It i'm gonna go out on a limb and SAY
i Think Tom brady plays the position better Than Josh. Allen,
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yeah LIKE i and SO i there is an element of.
Demons last week there was a little media or a
little mini media and we talked about it, firestorm About Lynn,
jones the older black. Lady oh, yeah he said To Liam,
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cohen like hold your head up, high. Yep all these
folks were, like once you, turn once you become, media
you don't root. Anymore you don't do, That and then
those same people are sending. Tweets my heart breaks For Josh.
Allen he does why? What? LIKE i don't mean why like?
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That LIKE I i understand feeling empathy for a person
that's a great player that you feel like can't get
over the. HUMP i understand, that but the he. Doesn't
you don't THINK. Cj stroud feels like shit this? WEEKEND i.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You don't think the guy gets stopped so many. TIMES
i also think people just get caught up with the
physicals Of Josh, allen like he's, Perfect like he's got
the big, arm he can run, around he's a big.
Dude but, yeah he obviously.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Is part of being an all time great is being
able to harness your greatest attributes while minimizing the risk
associated with. Them AND i have watched the he has been.
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Incredible that last year's playoff game Against Kansas, city he
fumbled three. Times they recovered all of them the year
before the playoff game Against Kansas, city on what they
thought was gonna be the game tying, drive he fumbled
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running around like he did at midfield near. Halftime it
should have been scooped and scored by The. Chiefs one
of his teammates fell on it after The chiefs kicked.
It he's loose with the, ball and when he switches
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his style up to not be loose with the, ball
his gaudy stats go. Down that's when his passing yardage
numbers go. Down and all he has not yet shown
the ability to have the type of season where you
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get the crazy gaudy numbers without the crazy, turnovers which is.
FINE i still think he's the second best quarterback in the.
League but you got to call a spade a spade
on a four turnover playoff, game AND i he was
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fine with. It he knew he blew. It and then
the get to the follow ups because there's a lot
about the calls and the whining and all of, it
so you can go to all.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
This, Yeah so after the, Game Josh, Allen Dion, dawkins
And Raynon cooks were all very emotional in their. Interviews and.
Crying how do you feel about players crying after a
round two?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Exits SO i think a couple of. Things, LISTEN i
it does now seem like The bills were going to
fire McDermott if they didn't make The Super. Bowl if
they hadn't made that decision after seeing how emotional the players,
WERE i would have felt, like, Sorry, sean even if
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it's not your, fault we have To we can't just
run this. Back this is a this is a scarred,
team and and the. Demanse why do you think The
bills were so devastated about this loss in this postseason
BECAUSE i have a, Theory.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Well this is their this was their, desk this was
their shot this. Year, LIKE i just feel like this
was because nobody ELSE'S i, mean you're you Got Drake,
may you got all THE i mean you just Got Matt, Stafford, Mahomes,
burrow Uh, at you, Know, Lamar they're all.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Gone it's SO i think they clearly viewed it as
The chiefs aren't there and this is our. Moment and
That's and by the, way certainly the, media after they
reacted to the McDermott, firing kept bringing up that this
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was the moment with The chiefs aren't. There and this
is the other, thing If i'm being transparent, here that
frustrates me about the just blowing, past Like josh Past
patrick in this quarterback, hierarchy folks simultaneously have this Opinion
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josh is clearly the best quarterback in the. League he's
better Than. Mahomes he's been better Than mahomes last few.
Years they believe, that while simultaneously believing this was such
a massive missed opportunity for The Buffalo bills because they
finally would have been able to get to a Super
bowl without actually having to Beat Patrick mahomes like that it.
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WAS i think they did view it as the path is,
clear AND i only they viewed it as the path
was clear Because lamar wasn't, there Because josh has Played
lamar twice in the playoffs and beat them. BOTH i
don't think they viewed as the path that's clear Because
burrow's not, there Because burrow only been there the last three.
YEARS i think they viewed as the path that's clear
Because patrick's not there and they didn't get. There. Uh
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the crying was interesting to me BECAUSE i just don't
remember the last LIKE i felt Like cam cried after
the Super bowl and people killed him for. It this
is a divisional round, game but they really thought they
were right there and AND i. DIDN'T i we're going
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to talk about the calls here in a. Second in,
fact let's just get to it right, now. Demons let's
get to the, calls and we'll get To.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Rmott you always hated how the media talks about calls
by the. Refs was The Brandon cooks play extra? Infuriating
the talks that surrounded that.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
ONE i just listen shout. Out did you See Joe burrow?
TWEETED i did See Joe burrow's Tweet Joe? Burrow who
doesn't Tweet Joe? BURROW i just want to read, you.
Guys Joe Burrow's twitter History april twenty, sixth twenty twenty. Four,
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okay so a year and a half ago or almost
two years, ago eighteen, games question, mark two bye. Weeks july,
fifteenth twenty twenty, five a one click captionless retweet Of
Netflix sports promoting quarterback and that's. It so he has
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not written a tweet Since april of twenty twenty. Four
and then he writes the amount of people that don't
understand what a catch is in the rule. Book flabbergasts.
Me and it's not the. Officials the two plays yesterday
were not difficult calls and they got them both, right
of course they. Did and THESE I i want to
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be on the record about. THIS i. AM i find
this to be very very, binary AND i this Will
i'm sure hurt some people's, feelings BUT i stand by.
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It if you are someone who posts still images as
evident something was or wasn't to, catch you are either
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far far far dumber than you think you, are or
you're being disingenuous. Us there is nothing to be learned
about what is or isn't a catch from a. Screenshot
that's not how it. Works and folks acting like The
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DeVante adams The Davante adams actual catch was the same
play as The Brandon cook's non, catch are are again
either idiots or. LIARS i don't see a.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
DIFFERENCE i thought about it as A ravens, fan like
That isaiah likely touchdown where he caught the, Ball LIKE
i feel like took a step and let the ball go,
Immediately like if that wasn't a catch right, there then
The Brandon coach thing definitely isn't a. Catch he just
never never really.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Had here's here's the QUESTION i would ask, everybody are
you guys arguing if that you're saying it was a,
catch that if The bronco's defensive back had you, know
not secured it and it hit the, ground that that
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would have been a fumble because that's where you're arguing
that that would have been a. Fumble of course that
would have been a. Fumble it's an incomplete. Pass He
i'm not going to explain the rules to. Everybody unbelievable
play By people are showing The Xavier worthy play from last.
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Year The Xavier worthy play from last year was actual.
Simult people are, like, oh simultaneous possession goes to the offensive.
Player simultaneous possession means simultaneous. Possession bardon. Me The Xavier worthy.
Play two guys went up for the. Ball they both
came to the. Ground when the refs come over and whistle,
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it they're both holding onto the. Ball that simultaneous. Possession this,
One Brandon cooks went up for, it him in his.
Shoulder he momentarily split second long enough for a screenshot
though controlled, it but before he completed the process of the.
Catch The broncos guy took it from. Him that's a.
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Pick davante caught the, ball tucked, it took two, steps got,
hit hit the, ground and then had it ripped. Away
that's down by. Contact these aren't. Complicated AND i THINK
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i here's the other reason. Why and maybe it was
that McDermott Knew demante he was gonna be. Fired but
you can't blaming the refs like that and then call
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the media from the team plane to blame them some.
More is the lack of accountability there is bad and
it is the second year in a row The bills
have lost the playoff. Game and for a lot of
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folks involved with that, team and for a lot of
their just blatant apologists in the, media they didn't. Lose
they got. Screwed remember last, Year Josh allen got that
first down on that tush. PUSH i swear he. DID
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i watched it with my own two. Eyes.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
YEAH i still he got the media calling it. CONTROVERSIAL
i THINK i just heard that the other day that CALL.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
I thirteen seconds game. Unfair didn't get the? Ball change the.
Rules everybody knows If Josh allen had gotten the ball in,
overtime he would have gone and scored a. Touchdown pop
quiz hot shot the six other overtime Games Josh allen's
been in where he did get the. Ball how many
touchdowns has his team? Scored the answer is. Zero how
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many games has the team? Won the answer is. Zero
how many total points have they scored in those seven overtime,
games six of which they got the? Ball the answer is.
Three so maybe they would have, scored maybe they would have.
WON i don't, Know but luckily THE nfl changed the
rules for. Him they get stuffed on the toush. Push
NOW i supported, this but the timeline is. True The
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bills lose a playoff game because they can't execute tousch.
Push the league holds a vote to outlaw the touch. Push,
AGAIN i don't think that's the real, reason but it
is the. Timeline and now we got, folks and this
was That Greg rosenthal had it and he's. Right the
tell that a lot of the media didn't actually think
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it was the wrong call was they weren't saying they
got it. Wrong they were, saying why didn't you take
more time to review? It and then these these these
dopes are saying and it's this is just dumb folks
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then creating this. Conspiracy they didn't want to stop and review, It,
demonse Because fox had already pushed back the start of
THE Nfc championship game and they wanted to get to.
It can you can you people not? Again f forget the?
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How what an outrageous conspiracy that? Is let's just say
that conspiracy is. True That fox pressed the red button
and was, like this game's gotta. End do you know
the quickest way to? End bill's broncos in The Brandon
cooks moment rule it a, catch they're the ten in sudden.
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Death he just kick a field. Goal the game's? Over
like what when you when you? Have AND i want
to say one other thing for remove, on BECAUSE i
know a lot of people are, Saying, nick what you're
accusing the media of doing With Josh allen you do
With Patrick, Mahomes AND i would say that is in
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one way true and in one way totally. Incorrect here's
the way that it's. TRUE i openly root for one.
TEAM i don't pretend Like i'm a wholly unbiased. Observer
if somebody came out and was just Like i'm from
and some of these guys Like Ariol. Hawane give, it
he's not AN nfl the coverage, guy But Ariol hawani's From,
(50:49):
buffalo loves The, bills roots a GREAT I I i
cover the whole. LEAGUE i root for The. CHIEFS i
have a relationship With. Patrick he's my favorite player. Ever
everybody knows that going. In that's first of. All second of,
all all, Right, nick but even past, that you Treat
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patrick like he's above criticism on certain. THINGS i do
have a, tendency whether they're my guy or, not that
if one guy before he turned twenty nine was already
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the second or third most decorated winner in the history
of the, league to give them the benefit of the.
Doubt if one guy has been to Five Super bowls
one three is second all time in playoff win second
all time in playoff, touchdowns second all time In Super bowl,
(51:54):
MVPs i do think that guy second all time In
Super bowl star, art tied for third all time In
Super bowl. WINS i do think that guy has earned
us a little more of a benefit of the doubt
than a guy than anybody who's never won and never
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even been in the game To win's.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Not turn the ball over four times in the second.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
ROUND i, mean give me a. BREAK i, mean give
me a. BREAK i, Mean i'm glad you said, That,
demanse Because Listen patrick has had one and a half
really rough Super. Bowls there's there's no way around. It
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and when it comes to the goat, conversation that's a
fair thing to bring. Up as far as in the
postseason prior to The Super bowl those how many? Games
is that he's played twenty one playoff? Games he's played
five Super. Bowls so those sixteen playoff games where he
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is fourteen and two and has let me go ahead
and just check it real, quick six plus oh, yeah
forty two touchdowns and three interceptions in the wildcard, round divisional,
round and conference championship and the divisional round where he's
seven to. Zero. Yeah how many? Fumbles great? Question great?
(53:36):
Question two fumbles? Lost, okay eight fumbles total in those,
uh in those sixteen. GAMES I i, mean give me a,
break give me a. Break and it used to be
a straw. Man folks, said, like, well nobody's actually saying
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these guys are better than in. Mahomes and now not
only are they saying, that that's that that take has
become too luke, warm and it's gotta. Be he's the
most talented player. Ever AND i rooted for The bills
this year and bet. THEM i was at a casino
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In philly playing poker in the, morning and then sitting
in the sportsbook watching the divisional round. GAME i kept
betting The. Bills what do you what do you? Laugh?
Speaker 2 (54:34):
YEAH i KEPT i should have TAKEN.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
I just kept betting The. BILLS i bet him before the,
game and then when they fell down, EARLY i bet
him again at plus, money and then at HALFTIME i
bet him. AGAIN i just kept betting The. BILLS i was, like,
There allen's gonna come through. HERE i was rooting for The.
Bills but fairs, fair, folks those forty five minutes on that. Game,
(55:04):
yeah this one you never? Notice how got you? GOING i,
mean it's just, again it's it's it's remarkable to me
That Josh allen gets it more than the folks who
cover the. Sport just. Remarkable you ever notice everything keeps going?
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Speaker 2 (55:49):
Plan.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
OH i never even DEMANDS a got to the McDermott
firing piece of, it which IS, i if you were GONNA,
i if you're gonna fire one of McDermot Or, BEAN
i would have thought it would have Been, bean AND
i also thought they maybe would fire. BOTH i didn't
Think bean would get a promotion out of. This the
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once we get a better idea on who they're going to,
INTERVIEW i we can talk about this maybe more On.
Thursday BUT i there have only been a handful of
instances IN nfl history To monsey where a LEAGUE mvp
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who hasn't turned thirty yet his like his head coach positions,
available and two of them are right now With lamar And.
Josh and it's you know, What i'll Just i'm gonna
talk about this more ON. Tv IF i were The,
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Bills i'd swallow. Hard i'd hope that the weather in
the town is not really what his girlfriend is, into
and that maybe should you, know they can have a
long distance thing for a. Bit AND i would Ask
(57:24):
Bill belichick to come coach my football team for three,
years because if you are in when now win this minute,
mode Hiring Joe brady Or Davis webb or any of
these first time head coaches is such a hard. Ask
AND i don't Think Brian dable is an upgrade Over sean.
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McDermott so, YEAH I i would Go. BELICHICK i would try.
Again belichick's like player evaluation stuff doesn't matter as much
because this would be a short term. Thing it'd Be,
bill go break the, record win a Super bowl is
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stick it to The pats who think this is their.
MOMENT i think you could entice. Him AND i don't
Think Bill. BELLA i Understand North carolina hasn't gone. GREAT
i don't think that he's lost his ability to coach professional.
FOOTBALL i. Don't all, right let's Talk Rams.
Speaker 2 (58:27):
Bears So rams escaped out Of chicago with a. Win
caleb pulled off some crazy stuff to force it in a,
ot but he also threw the game ceiling pick that
into the. Game what did you make Of caleb's game
and this, Season.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
Well, listen it's a resounding successful season For. CALEB i.
THINK i think it's. Undeniable and here's WHAT i would.
Say the things that are either, uncoachable like just inherent
to a, player or the hardest things to coach are
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things such as, arm, talent, poise under, pressure, athleticism and,
escapability And caleb is a ten out of ten on
all of those. Things the things that should be easiest to,
coach footwork and accuracy are the places he needs the most.
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Improvement so that makes me incredibly bullish on, him AND
i do feel a little Vindicated demanse for his placement
On Mahomes mountain as a college. Sophomore when you see
this type of holy, shit what did that guy just?
Speaker 2 (59:48):
DO i could not believe that that was kind of
that might have been the craziest Play i've ever seen,
Football like just seeing if you press pause at one,
point just seeing how that turned into a touchdown was just.
Insane but yet.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
A touchdown on fourth and four in the playoffs with
twenty seconds. Left, DUDE i mean it's it's As and
by the, WAY i don't think it was a better
throw than the one last week.
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
He.
Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Had he had in back to back playoff, games he
had fourth down plays that if they don't, convert they
lose the, game and made plays THAT i truly believe
the only other player in the league who would have
(01:00:46):
been able to do it. Exactly like if it's, like,
hey recreate, THIS i think the only other Player i've
ever seen that could recreate both of them Is patrick
and the roll into your left throw and then the
running backwards thirty yards and then he's it's. Unbelievable, now
(01:01:06):
with that, said this might have been a missed. Opportunity
they had the ball in. Overtime it was sudden. Death you,
don't you.
Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
DON'T i think they should have went for the two point.
Version you don't want to take the rams to. OVERTIME
i think you have mo. MINUM i think they should
have done for the two point, version but they still
got a.
Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Chance it's just so his decision to trust his defense
was vindicated by the fact the defense force the three
and out and they got the. BALL I i thought
they were going to go for. Two let me say
that on the front, END i respect the fact that
(01:01:50):
Uh Ben johnson's gut is to go for, two and
he pivoted because he thought the game situation dictated not to.
That he wasn't just an auto two point. Conversion pressed
the button because he thought we've sucked it short yardage.
(01:02:13):
Today we've sucked at the goal, Line we've sucked it short,
yardage so we're not doing. IT i also do think
there is an element of it should be. Noted let
me put it like, this if they go for, two,
(01:02:33):
demanse then the let me how many? TIMEOUTS i WISH
i knew how many timeouts The rams. Had UH i
thought The rams had a timeout. LEFT i could be. Wrong,
no they, did because let me check the bears last,
drive And i'll know. It BECAUSE i thought The rams
(01:02:56):
should have been using their, timeouts but they. Didn't so
let me just check timeout one by The. Rams, yes all.
Right so here's the thing about going for. Two if
they go for, two you're kicking off with eighteen seconds
(01:03:16):
left and The rams of two, timeouts and they are
obviously gonna try, it you, know like they're not going
for two with eighteen seconds. Left even if you get
it doesn't end the.
Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Game, YEAH i, mean and defense has to stop like
maybe three, plays two or three.
Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Places, No and SO I i JUST i understood him
not going for. IT i was, surprised BUT i understood.
It and this is the other side of, it is
THIS i think that was PROBABLY Dj moore's screw. Up,
okay on the interception in, OVERTIME Dj moore seemed to
(01:03:55):
lollygag the. Route But caleb doesn't have to go for
that kill shot. There it's second and, eight you're at.
Midfield it's a field goal wins. It so that's a.
Mistake and this one stings for The bears because again
every year you're this close and you've got a real,
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shot and it feels, like oh, man we made a.
Mistake that that's really. Painful it's just really. Painful and
So i'm optimistic and bullish on The, bears but that
is a painful. Loss The, rams on the other, hand
here's the. Deal The rams are my pick to win
The Super. Bowl they have not played well in either playoff.
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Game there's two ways to look at. That one is
they're just not playing well right, now and they're about
to get clocked By. Seattle another way to look at
it is they've made the conference championship game despite not playing,
well and they're about to play their best game of the.
Postseason the first time they Played, seattle they Put Sam
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darnold in, hell and the second time they Played, seattle
they had that game in total control and it took
an insane confluence of events for them to lose. It
but that is why this game is In seattle and
Not Los. ANGELES i Think stafford's gonna play, better and
at Least stafford this week and has been one of
the few quarterbacks who has been able to not you,
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know be a turnover. Machine speaking of a turnover, machine
let's get To. Pats.
Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Texans patriots are headed back to THE Afc Conference conference
game for the first time in a. Decade, now this
was not. Smooth the defense gave The patriots and, fits
but they also got to PLAY.
Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Cj.
Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Stroud Did New england win the game or did The
texans lose?
Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
It let me say this About New. England they have
won both of their playoff games, easily and their quarterback
hasn't played well. Yet now he's made some great, plays
but the fumbles are. Crazy he just keeps fumbling the.
Ball the offensive line hasn't played great that. Listen the
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past To booty to put the game away in the
end zone was really. Good the catch was. Unbelievable and
you guys know how HIGH i am On Drake. May
but he has shown some playoff game. Jitters and now
The pats are huge favorites in the conference championship game
and they can go back to the Super bowl Without
(01:06:31):
Drake may playing. Great, yet with that, SAID i think
they needed to BENCH cj at. Halftime that Was Davis
mills started three games for them this, year at five,
touchdowns one. Turnover they went three to. Zero all they
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had to do was get some type of spark. Offensively
AND i don't know what was going on WITH, cj
because That pats defense is, good but it is not,
great AND I cj Is and the THING i the
(01:07:25):
argument demons against BENCHING cj is, well he's our franchise.
Guy who can't do that to?
Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Him he is the.
Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Thing they're about to do that to him this summer
when they don't offer him a contract, extension like he
is going to get, that by the, way he's Got
they're gonna pick up his fifth year, option and and
THEN i would imagine they're gonna, say go play out
your four and then we'll, see we, said because he
(01:07:53):
still has essentially two years left on his rookie. Deal
So's i'm not like saying they're gonna move OFF. Cj.
Stroud but after three years is when franchise quarterbacks get their.
Extensions he ain't getting, that and he's got to figure
out what the hell's going on. There and all they
(01:08:14):
had that, defense and they also got. UNLUCKY i, Mean
Drake may fumbled inside the, five that ball bounced Around patriots.
Recovery there was another fumble that it looked like The
texans could have scooped and, scored but because they had
been not falling on, fumbles they just fell on it like.
(01:08:35):
That texans defense was ferocious as, advertised and THE. Cj
pick six was just impossibly. Bad at that, point he
had been turning the ball, over but they had the,
lead they were up ten to, seven and that pick
six flipped the whole. GAME i don't know what's happened TO. Cj.
SHROUD i joke ON tv about the lecture that led
(01:08:59):
to the losing that, ever since The Kala Big brother.
Stuff he is the same. GUY i don't actually think
that is what, happened but it is crazy who he
Was demanse his rookie year and who he's been the last.
Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
TWO i mean he was out just sumo wrestling with
Like Michael parsons and calling himself like a top three
quarterback and stuff on. PODCASTS i feel, like, yeah after first.
Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
SEAT i mean, yes but that's that still doesn't explain
last year then should have been a bit of a
wake up call for. Him, Yeah and SO i DON'T
i don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
How much of it are we putting on THE o.
Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Line oh line's. BAD i mean you're putting putting a
fair amount of it on THE o. Line but then
just eat the ball like some of these he threw
four Picks, tomnse he could have thrown, seven like there
were another three or. Four that's, like oh, GOD i
mean that that was just. Brutal and by the, way
(01:10:01):
he was. Awful and round one, YEAH i mean that
was just.
Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Carried he's being.
Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Carried. MAN i feel sick for that. Defense that defense is.
Unbelievable all, right let's speaking of unbelievable. Defenses let's Talk Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Niners seattle dominated The niners this, weekend like from the
opening kickoff headed into championship, weekends The seahawks are The
Super bowl. Favorite and do you think That vegas has that?
Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
CORRECT i, mean, Listen i'm gonna pick The. Rams But
seattle's earned The they've earned. This they they Beat carolina
by seventeen right before the, playoffs they beat The niners by.
Ten they just beat The niners by thirty. Five and
(01:10:49):
they did it all without their quarterback playing that. Well
and classic one by me WHEN i was Your classic
one Or classic, Two i'm not. Sure great opinion by,
Me pat myself on the back trade deadline, Day Quinn
williams to The, Cowboys Sauce gardner to The, colts AND
(01:11:10):
i went ON tv and, said the most impactful trade
of the day Is Rashid shaheed to The. Seahawks Rashid
shaheed in The rams game that, One i'm home field
advantage got uh had the punt return that got the comeback.
Going And Rashid shaheed's kick return in this game opened
the floodgates and so, uh The seahawks have just been utterly.
(01:11:34):
DOMINANT i do Think we're in store, though for a very,
close EXCELLENT nfc championship. Game and if that's the, context
all Trust Stafford, LATE i know it's. Simple And, seattle,
Listen mike McDonald's been unbelievable and that defense is. Underrated
the loss Of charbonnay is, big And seattle did what
(01:11:57):
a one seed against you, know beat Up niners team
was supposed to. Do you know? WHO i bet watched
that game and felt, like my, god we really. Blew
it was The. Eagles The eagles are like That niners
team came to our building and beat. Us, yeah, like
(01:12:19):
that's just that's a rough. One all? Right what Other
niners questions you have for? Him forty move?
Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
On you were open to pivoting on, party, uh seeing
how he played in this game Against. Seahawks how do
you feel now after that? Performance is? That?
Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Listen i'm not gonna he was obviously, bad But i'm
not gonna hang him for that. Performance that whole team
was bad and So i'm not gonna kill. Him BUT
i had he been good in that game and it's,
like oh my, god this team moved like that would
have made, me you, know. Reevaluate But i'm not going
(01:12:57):
to kill him for that.
Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Performance how would you describe the forty nine ers window, open, closed.
Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
CLOSING i think they're in a transition, period BUT i
thought that this year and they had all the injuries
and they got the divisional. Round shanahan's so, good.
Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Man it can't be.
Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Closed it can't be closed With, shanahan it just. Can't
he's so. Good but No, KITTLE i, MEAN i guess
we'll see About, kittle but The, achilles we'll see About
miccaffrey after all this, Workload Losing Robert salah is a big.
Deal But shanahan's so. Good all, Right let's get to listening.
Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Questions billy asks why are people so hesitant on calling
Out Josh allen but have little no issue banging on
Mahomes jalen And lamar.
Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
LISTEN i bouncing around a lot of this quarterback criticism
commentary has been a not so subtle racial, Component, yeah
where people have wondered about whether or not certain quarterbacks
get favorable coverage or less than favorable coverage based on. Race,
(01:14:07):
okay and anybody that's consumed any of my content for
any point of my career KNOWS i believe in a
way That i'm sure annoys a lot of the. AUDIENCE
i Think race touches every single thing In america in
ways that people you know are either blissfully unaware of
(01:14:32):
or hyper aware. Of and so there is almost nothing
no question you could ask me, that my answerould, be,
Oh race plays no factor in it. Whatsoever, okay so
let me say that on the front. END i Don't,
HOWEVER i don't see because a lot of people bring
(01:14:54):
up like The josh Criticism lamar. CRITICISM i happen to
think That lamar gets mostly a pass from most folks,
Too And i've said that for a. While it has
felt like for years it was just me And shannon
as the only people that would be, Like lamar is
(01:15:15):
bad and the Like as has had these bad. Moments
SO i don't look At lamar as like being overly, criticized,
RIGHT i also think there is there is Also again
this is too complex to get. Into but you Saw
Nick young swaggy pe or you know you know that is? Right?
(01:15:35):
Yeah it during he, tweeted uh he he tweeted during
the show after The ravens season, ended or they Fired,
HARBALL i don't. Know but during our a block WHEN i,
(01:15:58):
WAS i don't Know lamar he tweeted something about THESE
fs one shows in the way they talk about black.
Quarterbacks oh, oh and Then Lamar's entertainment company retweeted it
with a little bulls.
Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
EYE i.
Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Think and there is a really And i'm not going
to get into it now because i just don't have
the bandwidth for. It there's a and it's really a
longer form. Discussion there's a really interesting discussion to be
had about folks who look At Patrick, Mahomes Jalen, Hurts Caleb,
(01:16:47):
Williams Lamar jackson and criticizing or complimenting black quarterbacks and
what resonates and what, doesn't and so it there is it.
Is it would be ridiculous on its face to be
(01:17:09):
Like Nick nick's got something against black quarterbacks when favorite
player of all Times Patrick mahomes AND i When caleb
was a sophomore in, COLLEGE i was, saying it's six
best quarterback in. Football BUT i think some folks, like,
yeah but you go At lamar and you haven't believed
in jail and and there IS i mean dem demons
(01:17:32):
on the. Screen. Again, No i'm not saying it's like
Sourism i'm not saying like a skin tone, thing But
i'm saying that it is about who people. THINK i
just think it's about how people view these other people.
(01:17:56):
RACIALLY i think there is that, element and so it's
it's not a skin tone thing as much as it
is just how they view those. Players and SO i
The SO i am not trying to act LIKE i
believe race plays no part in quarterback. EVALUATIONS i think
(01:18:18):
it clearly and obviously. Does BUT i also think That
lamar has Gotten when you, know When lamar's team has
blown it in the playoffs and he's turned the ball,
over people are, like why didn't they run the ball?
More and his coach also got. Fired SO i DON'T
i don't Think lamar has, gotten you, know pilloried by the.
Media and so.
Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
That's that's pretty similar with the way that they're, discussed
to be, honest that's how it.
Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Feels now you want to, say, Again mahomes has gotten
passes at my answer would, be, yeah he's been to
Five Super. Bowls here's one three of. Them he's going
to build up a little, equity all. Right, Now.
Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Eric, asks would any of Your Josh allen criticisms apply
To lebron pre twenty, twelve and can we see a
similar turnaround in playoff.
Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Accomplishments at Least lebron in twenty twelve had been to
The Championship brown. Twice lebron in twenty twelve was the
most the most decorated regular season player of his. Era
(01:19:31):
josh is neither of, those. Right lamar And patrick are
more decorated regular season. Players lamar has never been to
The Championship, brown SO I i don't think that is
going to. APPLY i do Think Josh allen's gonna win
a Super. Bowl that's the other, thing and then we'll
leave it at. THIS i do Think Josh allen's going
(01:19:52):
to win a Super. BOWL i want to be.
Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Here Josh allen is gonna be a really good older.
QUARTERBACK i THINK i see.
Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
That i'm a little worried about BECAUSE i don't. KNOW
i don't know how well his body's gonna hold. Up
BUT i think he's gonna win a Super. Bowl but,
folks here here's my last thing on. This, folks leave
yourself some room for compliment growth once he wins the Super,
(01:20:20):
bowl because if he's the best quarterback alive and the
most talented player ever, before he's been to a Super.
Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Bowl then The, Bills, yeah you're gonna give him in,
quarterback give him The.
Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Nobel Peace prize when he finally wins. It and if
you do, that then we're definitely gonna Invade. Greenland talk
to you guys On. Thursday what's, right
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