Best of the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon

Jason and Mike react to the Celtics getting blown out by the Cavs. The Pacers submitted 78 missed calls from Games 1 and 2 against the Knicks. Frank Vogel is OUT as head coach of the Phoenix Suns. And who would you rather have with the ball in the final minute of a game…Jalen Brunson or Steph Curry?

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I know, Mike Harmon. Everybody is upset about the Celtics
and how the Cavaliers won this game, going away and
out shocking everybody one eighteen ninety four. But here's the thing.

(01:02):
The Celtics got screwed. Ask me why why? Because it screwed.
Watching this game, I counted seventy eight calls, non calls
that were not whistled or whistled that could have been
whistled and were not that went the Cavaliers way. I mean,
this is this is just rober Wall seventy eight calls.
I mean it was. It was won every twenty seconds.

(01:23):
I could not believe that in the end this game.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
I think you're really conservative there in your estimate.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
And then you had the egregious efforts of people going
up the stairs with five minutes remaining, showing absolutely no faith. Okay,
that game was over, and you know you gotta beat traffic.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, you know, and that's first thing, okay, because because
look we'll get to the seventy eight calls. Everybody's making
a big deal. Look, this game has been was over
for a long time, just over. In the third quarter,
Joe Mizzoula emptied his bench, Bickerstaff emptied his bench right
the last time. Of course, fans are gonna leave. What
is this all? I can't believe it. Fans leave games
early when it's a blowout and they're going, oh right,
when when the stars are out of the game and

(02:03):
your team is not gonna win, Yes, people are gonna
go I know, I stay because I always like the stays.
I'm like, okay, I paid for these seats. I'm gonna
stay for the whole game and everything else. So that's cool.
But I mean, people leave. This is not Oh look
at these fair weather Celtics fans. It's a twenty five
point game. Both betches are playing. I think Kevin McHale
was getting minutes at the end. It was ah, look

(02:24):
at this. Look at these Celtics fans are left. Of
course they're gonna leave. Dude.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
As soon as Brissette and Spee and Springer and Walsh
got off the bench, that was it. You might as
well have thrown the damn towel Rocky style. I mean,
that was it.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
I am I look with this game, you can see
this is the Celtics are kind of like the Nicks
little bit where everything is either the greatest it could
be or the worst it could be. Right. Oh, so
that's kind of it. And right now people are going
absolutely crazy with this whole Celtics say, look at the Celtics.
They lose again. How do they do this? How do
they do that?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Do that?

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Okay, okay, now look let's be realistic about this now,
let's be Look how calm I am tonight with no
Knicks game. Iok how comment is.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Let's think the Rangers and yeah, Hurricanes would have you
a little bit flat.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
We're we're going overtime and we're down to zip. So
I feel like, okay, this series has already gotten away
from us. We changed goalies tonight and so far okay,
but you know, look, I we're in overtime. We're waiting
to get there. It's okay, we're down to it. Uh
But I mean but really, but look, I mean as
much as I love the Hurricanes, I mean, come on,
the Knicks, I mean the Hurricanes and the Mets and
the Jets and every I mean I got a lot

(03:33):
on my plate with the Knicks, man, I mean, this
is this is like, this is full. This is like
the Knicks are taking up my whole plate. And I
got room for little bits and pieces on the side.
But I mean the Knicks are taking up everything. Now.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
I mean seventy eight foul called man, But you got
a lot of time. Yeah, I mean that enumeration of
that is going to be absurd. Number fourteen, You're gonna
be counting like FRANCESSA before it's done.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
But look, this is the reality for this game. Does
this mean suddenly the Celtics and they don't have championship
medal and all of a sudden, Oh, what I was
saying about the Celtics twenty four hours ago no longer applies. No,
of course, although I do feel like I curse Theliztlight
by saying there's no reason why the Celtics got to
be feeling great about themselves. Maybe they're feeling too great,
Maybe they're feeling tior going look at this, look at this.

(04:16):
The Knicks are banged up. They're probably gonna win that series,
and we're gonna get a banged up NIXT team. We're
gonna roll into the finals. Yeah, you know, so you
get a game like this. They had a game like
this in the last round and what happened. They stepped
up and gave Miami a clinic the rest of the way. Right,
So I get it. But this is the real takeaway
from this game. Are the Celtics still gonna win this series? Yes,
they're the better team, But the real thing is to say, Okay,

(04:39):
this is where you see a real fatal flaw that
the Celtics had, where if you're playing. If you're playing
the Celtics, either in the next round of the playoffs
or in the NBA Finals, if things aren't going well,
if the Celtics are dominating, you know, they will give
you a stinker, either because they're they're not as focused,
or they just don't have the killer instinct for whatever reason,

(05:00):
they have a propensity to give you a stinker at
the time you least expect it. So teams aren't gonna
go into these series against the Celtics and lose the
mental battle or think, wow, we're down two zip going home.
This is really difficult, man. No, they're gonna think, hey,
you know what, the Celtics are gonna give us one.
They're gonna give us one because they're not strong enough mentally.
They will give us one. Don't lose, hope, stay in this.

(05:21):
Don't feel like we come into the game and the
referees are against us. No, they will give you one.
That's the real takeaway from this is that they have
a marked propensity to give you stinkers like this, and
that just helps feed team's confidence when they play in
the playoffs and when you're playing teams that aren't up
to your caliber. It just seems like something that happens
and you can let it go, like this will happen,

(05:41):
to let it go, be ready for Game three. But
you get to the conference finals where it's the best
team you've played against so far, and then in the
NBA Finals where it's the best team you've played all season,
that's where you say, all right, it's gonna happen, and
that's what could wind up killing you. I just that's
the real takeaway from this, not for this series. It's
about watch what happens later on when you feel like
the Celtics just and you feel like they have everything

(06:02):
going on, they're gonna they're gonna give you a big
stinker like this, and watch what happens as a result.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, eventually you're gonna run into the team where you
can't get away with it, and then it starts to snowball.
In this case, terrible three points shooting, getting out rebound
and then a huge second half from Donovan Mitchell shades
of what we saw last night with your guy bruntson
without missing you know, that quarter due to injury, of course,
but I mean Derek White, who we've been piping up

(06:28):
most of the season and certainly during this playoff run.
He was awful three of eleven from the field in
his thirty minutes and you look at the starters, just
an abysmal defensive effort across the board and say, well,
no porzingis well Jared Allen didn't play once again. That
was one of the things we were talking about with
the Cavs in terms of losing some of that tenacity

(06:48):
and big man to you know, be able to slow
things down and work the board. Well he wasn't. There
didn't matter. They still out rebounded the Celtics by thirteen
and took care of business, you know, in what was
overall a pretty clean game and only seven turnovers for
the Celtics in this one. So you can't blame that, right,
just being careless with the basketball except for taking bad,

(07:10):
ill advised shots.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
They just suck.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Well, there is that, you know, for for one night.
But it's the don't play with your food, right, I mean,
that's if you're that much better than this squad, don't
breathe any life into it, particularly in a game at home.
And this is what they keep doing. When they're double
digit home favorites. They keep losing outright. It' said, just
a joke of an effort and from Missoula, you know,

(07:33):
you've come to expect this, and which is why he
was on the hot seat in the offseason, how real
or imagined, it was still a talking point and breaking
them up and whatever. You see efforts like this, and
you know the unrest certainly is there even if you
are the decided favorite.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, look, I mean that, And that's the issue with
the Celtics. And I told you if they don't with
if they don't get to the fight, they don't win
this year. They're on my never again list. I mean
they really, they're on my net. I have to put
the Celtics on my neck. And a lot of teams
are starting to reside, am I never again?

Speaker 3 (08:03):
I was gonna say, didn't you add like seven NBA
teams this year? But there's only thirty pals. They're not
a standing Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
But he goes back to the drawing board with them.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, but this is like you can I mean, I
can never pick them like this is there yet? Like
when else are they ever gonna win it? And I'm
a firm believer. I know every season is different than
the season before, and you don't know what your your
path is going to be who's gonna be healthy, who's
gonna be injured? But if you don't win. Now, when
basically the Eastern Conferences said, hey, look here's your path
to the to the NBA Finals, it's like Dorothy walking

(08:34):
down the yellow brick road going, hey, just go all
the way, just go all the way to the end.
And there's the castle and there's the Wizard. Everything is
absolutely fine. You're gonna be all good. Yeah, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Some little things are gonna pop up along the way,
but otherwise it's a pretty straight path.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah. I mean, listen, there's and here's the thing, the Wizard.
It's just a guy. It's just a guy behind the
whole big wall. It's sorry, spoiler, I just spoiled the
Wizard of Oz. But like that, that's what I mean.
If they don't do it this year, like when are
they gonna do it? Right, We're seeing the rise of
all these other great young teams in the West, and
the rise of Minnesota and Oklahoma City and Denver still
really good if they got their heads on straight, right, Like,

(09:08):
you're still seeing really good teams that are just getting better.
The Knicks are going to get better, right, I mean
that that's just how it's gonna go. Right, They're gonna
get better. The Sixers are gonna get better now that
they figured out more of their team than they went
out in the first round. So I don't I don't
see where suddenly oh yeah, yeah, here's another year, another
year of Tatum and Jalen Brown. And it was poor
zingis it was if they don't I mean really never again,

(09:30):
because I don't know when I'm gonna say, hey, you
know what, you know who? I like the Celtics. I
don't see when that's you will. No, no, no, you will.
I went against my never again list once and I
shouldn't have it. I'm never doing it again. I've never
said no, no, no, I never before because it's Harmon's
fault if I do. He's a guy that's got to
keep track of the never again. Let's go wait a minute.

(09:51):
You said you never picked Oh that's right now, he's
got to would be the one to tell me, and
then you ignore us no no, no, no, no, no, no,
this is no no.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
You're too busy tweeting out your your thoughts. And then
we were trying to remind you and you're like, no,
I really like this squad. Now they made one or
two principal moves. You go, well, they're different. Now there'll
be a different mentality. No, this is this is no, no,
this is where I need you.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I need you. You know, this is the whole thing
where Hey, sometimes you gotta tell your friends stuff, even
if they're not ready to hear it. You gotta say, listen,
what are you doing. You said you'd never pick them again,
and then you gotta talk me off the ledge on that,
because look, you can't let me do it. You can't
let me pick Arizona to win the NCAA title again.
I was stupid. I was leading the whole bleeping bracket
challenge at Fox Sports Radio for like the first two weeks,

(10:35):
but because stupidly, I picked Arizona because they were on
my never again list. And I said, no, no, no,
I really Arizona this year. That's your fault for saying, hey,
they're on you never again list. Pick somebody else and said, okay,
you gone, and I would have won, and suddenly I
would have won a TV or whatever that we gave
away out, you know, I mean, that would have been.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
Me if you said no, Arizona Mac No, No, dude.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
If that was the case, I wouldn't be able to
keep a thought for more than a dude.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
You aligned yourself with Arnie's team, No, sand as soon
as you do that, you domed yourself.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
No, I would know never. I should never have done that.
And it's your fault for not talking to me. You say, listen,
you sure about this. Don't you want to do something else,
don't you want to pick somebody out. No, you didn't
do that for me. You didn't do that. You didn't
do that. Frostburg didn't help me. Neither of you guys
help me. Yeah, that was your fault for that. I
should have won me. I should have won. I mean, look,
first of all, there was all kinds of shenanigans where

(11:28):
how I was still in first place?

Speaker 3 (11:30):
There was all these points that were available. It was
there was a lot, there was a lot of fuzzy math. Yeah,
it was depending on what time of day you looked
at things.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's like it's kind of like
if you go to.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Look at your investment accounts, depending on the time of day,
it may not have updated, right because they don't do
this stuff with mutual funds and stuff until the end
of end of hours and then the overnight compilation.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Wait anute, I checked my investors at ten thirty. I'm good.
What do you mean, I'm broke? Hit refresh? Oh no, you.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Didn't see today's market activity, Tona, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Did you have stock in the Knicks finishing the playoffs
with five healthy players? You have? Sorry you took a
hit on that. That's really gonna work the way. No,
it's your fault. Got you guys need to do that
for me from now on. If I if someone goes
on the never Again, they're on it forever. Like they're
on it, They're on it forever.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
I tell you what, I'll make a multi colored poster
board like Ronnie Wood does with the Rolling Stone setlist,
and it'll just have all the teams from every sport
because we're at what about eighty teams? That no, no, no,
Carlisle complaints.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
I gotta fight it. But I think my never againless
Now is about ten teams. No. No, come on, dude,
look how good we are? Come on?

Speaker 4 (12:38):
No way, man, You guys are a week from poop
in your pants.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
No.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
No, but here's the thing. Justin and it's the worst
case scenarios. Tonight's let down, pathetic effort by the Boston
Celtics at me at Swollen Dome gave Smith more hope. Well,
if we could just survive this series, we could go
beat these guys. That's exactly what this this game did today.
It's like the Cavs aren't that good. I mean, Mitchell

(13:03):
and Brunston are kind of the same guy. We could
do this.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Stop. Jalen Brunton is the best player in the playoffs. Look,
Donovan Mitchell is great, and I'm sure he's gonna want
to Now you're dismissing Donovan. Donny Mitchell is great, dude,
Come on, man, Jalen you you didn't even hear me.
Rick Buker on our show last night said, Jalen Brunton
is doing Michael Jordan thing.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Old Frostberg and I immediately texted him saying, did you
take money?

Speaker 1 (13:29):
He's the best. He's the best player in the playoffs.
It's not even close as good as as good as
Anthony Edwards, is it? Oh he's Michael john Yeah he's great.
He's not the best player in the playoffs. Jalen Brunson
has been and is the best.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Player online too.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Oh good? Yeah, oh no, how can he get on?
Is and Drew Brees still on hold, He's not gonna
get through. It's not gonna.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
That's a fair point.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Uh, exit out about a Fresca exit swallen down. The
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overtime a giveaway in the Hurricanes end, the Rangers get
a deflection in front of the net. They score in
overtime early in overtime to beat the Hurricanes three to two.
Rangers now started the postseason seven and oh and they

(14:14):
lead the Hurricanes three games to none. Yeah, so now
it looks like all the yin and yang is all
yinning towards the Knicks.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
You know what you need after that? What's that one
of those blue hurricanes?

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Oh, I'd love all blue hurricanes are so good? Oh
my goodness, Yeah, I love a bluehirt. Now blue hurricane
and a big Mac. No blue hurricane for blue hurricane
and big Mac. You get a purple hurricane because you're
a Northwestern purple. Yeah, there you go, there we got men.
The Jason Smith Show is my best friend Mike Carfon. Look,
that's the big takeaway for the Celtics, right, they have
a mark propensity to give you an absolute stinker poop

(14:49):
emoji game, and that it comes back to get you
when you're playing the best teams in the NBA. So
when it happens later in the playoffs, you go, what
just happened there? They just beat the Timberwolves by twenty
five and now they this is what happens to the
Celtics because mentally they're not where they should.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Be and this is what they do to their backers
when they're double digit favorites at all.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
We'll have more coming up next NBA, but clearly the
number of the day in all of sports is seventy eight.
We get into that silliness straight ahead right here, Jason
and Mike, you're listening to Fox Sports Radio seventy eight
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It is a blue out night, yeah in Oklahoma City.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Not a blowout yet, not a blue out.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
It's a blue out. It's a blue out not but
it's a blue out night. All those blue T shirts
all looks so great. Everybody's wearing them. It's fantastic. But
so far it's been Dallas with the better end of
the play. They lead the Thunder right now in game two,
forty five thirty seven. Luka Doncic maybe hearing whispers, maybe
hearing hibout out. He needs to do more and what's happening.

(16:42):
He's got sixteen so far to go along with six
rebounds and five assists. He has had an incredible start
to this game. It's a ten point lead now for Dallas. Again,
still early a lot of time left to go, eight
minutes to go in the second quarter, Shake Gildess, Alexander's
got ten for Oklahoma City. But you know that this
is one of those games where I expect something and
expected something really big from Luca because you can hear

(17:06):
the reprits and we've talked about it. There's nobody with
more pressure on himself in a playoff this year than
Luka Doncic because he's been in the league a while.
And it's not like the Mavericks are trending towards Hey,
every year we're getting a little bit further in the playoffs,
get a little bit closer to being complete team to
win the NBA title. No, every year they're a nice
forty five, forty eight fifty win team. They went around

(17:28):
in the places they've been to the Cuffs finals once.
That's fine, but they got toasted in it. But there's
no real growth, there's no Hey, you can tell the
Mavericks are starting to become a power like some of
these other teams that you've seen on the upward swing
the last years. Right, You've seen it from Minnesota, Oklahoma City,
you've seen it with the Knicks. You've seen it with
other teams, but this is a team where it's like, Okay,

(17:49):
they got to start doing something, and Luca's here in
the whispers now finally that Hey, you've been in the
league six years, man, and you have the best player
you've ever had playing alongside you in Kyrie Irving, who
is still in the league and didn't find a way
to take time off and take time away this year
or you know, spread uh stage on the court before
a game. No, he has been focused on basketball and

(18:09):
he has been terrific. It is the best teammate you
have had, the most talented teammate you have had, and
here you are against the thunder team that is pretty good.
But wow, man, if you if they go out again
this year in the second round, suddenly you're saying, who what?
Maybe maybe you got to change how we think about Luca.
Maybe maybe Luca's more Carmelo Anthony than he has anything

(18:30):
else because he's got so much pressure. And look, we've
talked to this for a couple of weeks, so anybody
who's new to that take congratulations. But I mean, really,
he's the guy out of anybody in the playoffs that
has the most even more at stake than Jason Tatum.
He's got the most at stake in these playoffs.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Well, the Celtics have it as a team like it's
the Tatum Brown duo because I think they're now inextricably
linked together in terms of this stage of their careers.
When it comes to Luca, I mean, part of it
is you've seen some ball watching at times. I don't
know what through how bad the knee is, you just
got to play through it. But yeah, Kyrie Irving has

(19:04):
gotten to basketball and stayed as a consistent force. And
I mean you see how quickly people that have played
the game been around the game their whole lives. They'll
always point out, you know, what a maestro he is
and as a pure player when he's playing basketball. Two things, first,
I gotta give you credit. You were doing the the

(19:26):
rise of these other teams, the Tea Wolves and over there.
You know, you look at the Thunder and then you
just very subtly got the Nicks into the Western Conference discussion.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Not just saying teams that are getting better. I know
I was.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
You thought you were slicking trying to sneak that in.
So make sure that I pointed that out that you know,
you didn't didn't slip one past me, Pal. But on
the other side, right get the trade deadline, they did
get better defensively. It is something that Luca is at
least trying to be better at. And you know the
measurables are there. Once they brought in Gaffer and you

(20:03):
see PJ. Washington's out to a huge effort for them here.
He's got nineteen points in this first half. So the
addition of those two guys have been huge for them
down low in terms of, you know, fortifying things that
they're at the rim and forcing some more jump shots
instead of drives to the lane. So all of that
to say, yeah, Luca as an individual, a lot of

(20:25):
it is, yeah, what's what's your deal? Bro? Is really
what happens if you have another exit here, and certainly
from Mark Cuban, it becomes the well, what do we
have to do and how do we go back to
the drawing board if it's not working when you bring
in Kyrie, when you bring in these other guys to
help your front line, and it's you're still not getting
over what's the missing ingredient there? Oh, it might have

(20:47):
been Jalen Bronson to work with that.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Look, the missing ingredient may be Okay, maybe Luca is
just not that rising tide, lift all boats guy, right,
Maybe he's just not that kind of superstar right, as
talented as he is, maybe he's just not quite that guy.
And there's nothing wrong with that. But when you've built
your team saying, hey, Luca is our guy and let's
just get the right guys around him, maybe instead it's okay,

(21:12):
well Luca, we've kind of seen the ceiling for him,
So now what do we need to do differently, Like,
what do we need to do. We can't we can't
plan on being Luca driven all the way and winning.
And because Debi's clearly six years I mean, this is
the best part of his career and you're not the
trending up. You're not. You're not.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
That's the hardest part of it, Right. We just celebrated
an NFL draft with all these guys getting picked, going, yeah,
he'll turn twenty five next month, he'll vie for the
starting job. Luca just turned twenty twenty five in the
end of February. Yeah, and we're already at the oh,
the best years of his career. Well, no, you've seen
that's the way it works.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
You know. But no, but you've seen great I mean,
I've got all of a sudden he's gonna get better.
I mean, he's been this guy. This is who he is.
He's that terrific. But maybe he's just not that kind
of superstar. Not all superstar has created equally. There's a
superstars that make their teams better and carry them and
elevate them. Right, Lebron was that guy for so long.
He's a great guy to use an example of because

(22:09):
he did that for so long, and now he's at
a point in his career where he's not that guy.
He's simply a great player, and so now trying to
build a team around him isn't the same. You can't
go through him and say, Okay, Lebron's going to be
the guy that lifts everybody around. No, Lebron's gonna get
his Maybe Luca is a I get mine kind of guy,
and suddenly it's we have to really spend big time

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to get more and really upgrade around him and not
just say well we got Kyrie and we did this,
because maybe Luca is not that guy. And if that happens,
the quicker the Mavericks get to that decision, the better
off they'll be because to continue to try to say, oh,
we can make it work with you, let's bring in
this support player and this support player. No, this is more.
You need to bring in somebody alongside him, because that's
what's gonna wind up. You're eventually gonna wind up winning

(22:52):
a championship because I know, Look, Mark Cuban's one of
those few owners. He wants to win. He doesn't just
want to put a competitive product out there and play
well and fill this and Steve Balmer, he doesn't want
to do that. He wants to win. But how much
does he know about putting that team together. I think
he might have a little bit more invested in Luca
being that next level that Dirk that brought him that
title than what he is. But again, this series is

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gonna tell us a lot. And right now they're up
by eleven with six minutes to go.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
In the second, he's got fast toilets, Jason, he.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Died, no fast toilets to make that's gonna get people
to come to gain fifteen them. Yeah, fifty yef you
get listen, you get fast toilets. You don't need Luca.
You could just put a bunch of guys out there
that already that are G League players and people aren't.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Connected to I really, Paul, these toilets really cut down
your concession costs too, because if folks need to keep
running back to the bathroom, you've got enough plumbing to
process it, so you can really cut down on your costs. Boy,
this is genius. I love this.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Uh So again, we'll have more on this game coming
up in a bit. But yes, today, the number seventy
eight has just absolutely rung through the NBA because, as
PACER's head coach Carlisle promised last night, after calls were
not being made in small market teams are not getting
chances against the big market teams, all the bad officiating

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in the playoffs between the Pacers and the Knicks, and
even though he wanted to call last night that was
incorrect if they gave the ball to the Pacers in
the last minute of the game, he was still, for
some reason upset about an inadvertent whistle.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Well, but they did signal the double dribble.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, but they realized they did. But then they realized, Okay,
it wasn't a double dribble and nothing. It's not like
the Pacers stole the ball, went in for a layup.
The Knicks had the ball, they were dribbling. They whistled
double dribble. Okay, wait a bite. They looked at it
and said, okay, nothing happened, right, all right, But it
wasn't It would have been a change of possession.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Is that not the terms of applying the rules? If
it was if it was.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
A double no, if it was a double dribble, it
would have been. But they realized it wasn't called the
double dribble. So you still went back and convened and
looked at it, right, and it wasn't. You saw the
replay that he double dribble. No he didn't. No, they
they whatever they called it. They got the call right.
And it's not like the pacer got the ball and
we're on a fan, so I'll let another kickball where
we had the ball at a fast break and we're
gonna win the game if we get this call. No,

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this was They made the right call, and Rick Carlyle
went crazy about it, wound up getting thrown out of
the game, and today has promised. They filed a complaint
with the NBA over seventy eight calls that were missed
or called for in favor of the Knicks in the
first two games at MSG Son has to call terrible

(25:27):
seventy eight call seventy eight calls that either went the
next way that shouldn't or were not called. That the
Knicks really benefited by seventy eight calls. So what Rick
Carlyle saying is that, Hey, this is what we saw,
and each game should have been a thirty five point burial. Right,
the Pacers should have beat the Knicks by thirty five
in both games because the officiating is just sold.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
I didn't say that, he just said, hey, do your job.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
You're missing seventy seventy eight. You couldn't get to one hundred.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
I got Really, I think if I'm going to seventy eight,
I'm finding another twenty two just on principle.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
How ridiculous is that seventy eight you couldn't get to eighty?
Nice round number eighty calls, not seventy eight where you
stopped at it?

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Really seventy eight because it's a broken record. Seventy eight sucks.
Really about that boom seventy eight r PM?

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Is that what Rick Carlisle is spending time doing, Hey,
I want to watch. Hey, show me all these calls.
Oh that's a foul. Oh that's a foul. Oh that's
a foul. Oh that's a foul. Seventy eight calls miss calls,
seventy eight of them, seventy eight, not eighty, not eighty,
five hundred, one hundred and down, but not three either.
I'd have gone, this is what he says, This is
what this is what the Pacers say is what's missed.

(26:31):
There's missed calls in every game right now, seventy eight
miss calls. Really, there's seventy eight miss calls. Seventy eight,
seventy eight, seventy you're talking about thirty nine calls a game,
thirty nine calls in each of the first two games.
The way that weren't I mean really, I mean it's
it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Look, but you also have all the time where you
don't blow a whistle. So that's part of the seventy
eight yesh.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
It's but it's not like the Knicks couldn't put together
a bunch of that. I fire with the Knicks, I
would say, we have one hundred calls. It should have
went our way.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
But but I think they should I think they should
make that point going, Look, how ridiculous this is not
only from Carlisle, but what the NBA is sending as
an officiating crew night after night.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's just stupid, right, But I'm not mad because I
get it, because Rick Carlisle is unbelievably desperate. What did
I say when he said last night, Hey, we're getting
you know, with small market teams not getting officiated like
the big market teams.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Right, he didn't say officiated. He was very careful with
his wording there. This is he was. He had already
alluded to the officiating, and now he was just talking
about the small market teams, mid market teams getting the
shot against the big guys. Didn't say anything about officiating. Look,
he was all about looking out for the little man.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Right, And he's just sending these seventy eight calls in
to just say hey, just so you know, like like
not a big deal, not a big but just so
you know, I want you to know that you missed
seventy eight calls that would have benefited my team.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Well, he could have rented out one of the big
screens there in Times Square and just started enumerating, you know,
Ray Commish go Look out your window, Jerko.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
I'm not mad, I'm not upset. I get it, because yes,
he's desperate. He's got a hope for change because the Knicks,
with their physical style, have been able to impart their
will on the game. And look, Rick Buker told us
last night, but listen, this is what I'm seeing. I'm
seeing the Knicks physical style, and this is how it's
being called in the Pacers. When they try to play physical,

(28:29):
they can't do it because it's not who they are.
The Pacers are a finesse team and it's just not
a great matchup. And look this is and this is
where it falls into. Some teams are great matches for
other teams. Some teams it's more difficult. So I get it,
I get the desperation. I completely understand why he's doing this.
He wants the calls in game three, in game four
because look, quite honestly, I'll still say tell you today,

(28:50):
the Pacers aren't out of this right. The Knicks are
banged up. No og Anoobian game three, we found that
out today. Likely no Anunobian Game four either. I'm fully
ready for this series. Be back at the garden. Tied
it to a piece. Who knows if Jalen Brunton's even
gonna play tomorrow, how many minutes he plays If he does, Look,
the series is still there, and I get the desperation of, Hey,

(29:10):
we want to try to at least get something going
our way. So when we get back home, the game
is called a little bit differently. Maybe he'll get Scott
Foster assigned, the extender will show up. But I get
what he's going on, so I'm not mad about it.
I understand he's ridiculous. I mean, it's in here and go,
let's send the NBA seventy eight plays. And it's stupid,
but I get what he's doing. It's okay, Well, but

(29:30):
you've got to go.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
If you're gonna go in on this, I mean, you
really need to make the point sending them a one
sheeter of here's eight calls. Well, we've already gotten those
in the two minute reports. So you got to do
the deep dive and have your assistance go through and
just say, I'm looking at how ridiculously egregious the refereeing
has been. Even if it's all a bunch of nonsense,

(29:53):
you're in for a penny, You're in for a pound.
And you're really just trying to make the point of, hey,
let's take a look at how we're a fishy things.
I mean, you and I were watching it yesterday and
obviously you've got your Nicks colored glasses on, but how
many times did you see Jalen Brunson and the bang
and banging down low and creating space or whatever. It's like,

(30:13):
is that technically a fall? I mean, I get it,
you're not gonna call it every time down the court,
but I think that's what Carlisle's doing. It's like, where's
the where's the line here in terms of how we're
going to adjudicate these things, and not that his team
can match that physicality, especially if Halliburton is that fragile
that a little push from Josh Hart is gonna be
enumerated as one of the big things. He's got a

(30:35):
bad back and he knew it and look at that.
So you don't have the physicality to go at him,
and we know that. But I think you're just trying
to get the NBA on record, the gutlass, Adam Silver
and the guys that work in his office, because we've
seen it time and again how how soft they are
on crime in between the white.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Lines, exit out about a Fresca exit swallen down, the
Jason smithser with Mike Carmon Life and the tie studios.
So yeah, seventy unless maybe the Pacers have found some more.
They'll find some more in the next day or so
and say, hey, we got it up to eighty five
ninety five. You got ty Gay as many as you want.
You know, go back even regular season games, use some
of the regularly, go back to other playoffs, go back

(31:15):
in the past and find some other games, like from
a couple of years ago, twenty twenty two, twenty eighteen,
get some of the Yeah, all those miss calls.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
They should have never needed the heroics from Reggie Miller
if that game had been called right.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
I mean, in fifteen years, the Pacers are gonna be
sitting around, They'll be doing interviews with Rick Carlisle and
and all like Halliburton after he's retired, they're going you know,
if we had just gotten that kickball call at the
end of Game one, we'd have won the NBA title
that year. All we needed was that kickball call in
a tie game with fifty five seconds left, and we
would have won it all that would have been us. Oh,
I can't believe we didn't get that. That's gonna be

(31:50):
the Pacers that space a date. But we'll have more
on the seventy eight calls coming up in a bit,
But straight ahead, big NBA news today. One team has
fired their head coach, and I'll tell you what he
might be the only solution for another team in need
of a head coach. That's next right here, Jason to Mike.
This is Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific, Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike Harmon
live live Fromthtireck dot Com Studios. Just before halftime, Oklahoma
City has battled back. It is a sixty five sixty
two Dallas lead just before halftime. This was a ten
point lead for the Mavericks earlier in the second quarter,
but now the thunder have cut it to at least six.

(32:42):
A three goes in for Dallas, so they'll still have
the lead going into halftime, but still a lot of
basketball left to go. Again, that's your score at halftime,
sixty eight to sixty two. So today we saw a
big coaching move. Frank Vogel is out after one year
in Phoenix. One year. They signed them to a big

(33:05):
yet five years thirty million do yees?

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Sorry, Frank, thirty million dollars year.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
We're gonna eat that. Matt hb Is going, yeah, whatever
I have it, I'll eat it. It's only a head coach. Whatever.
Uh So he is out, which is not a surprise
because look, quite honestly, once you heard the Phoenix Suns
questioning each other, questioning the coaching staff, a change has
to happen, right, I mean you can't. You can't keep everybody.
You can't keep a coach around. When players go public

(33:31):
saying we didn't understand something, we weren't prepared, we don't
know what was going on, we don't know what was happening,
and it's look, it's a real easy thing for players
to do to say, oh, I don't like this coach.
I'm gonna say we didn't understand the game plan or
we weren't prepared for what the other team was ready
to do. All of this sume we're gonna throw the
coach under the bus. Right, So this wasn't just wasn't
surprising at all. But I'll tell you not that it

(33:53):
matters who the Lakers next head coaches because Lebron and
Ad do whatever they want to anyway, right, I mean,
it's it's really it's really all almost irrelevant who the Lakers'
next head coaches because it's not like suddenly these guys
are gonna buy into everything they're doing. They do what
they do. They do their own thing, and that trickles
down to the rest of the team. That's something that
crushes the Lakers. You'd like them to both be more leaders,
but this is kind of who they are. Lebron has

(34:14):
always been this kind of guy, and now he's got Ad, Like, yeah,
AD's like a clone of Lebron. Yeah, we do our
own thing. It doesn't really matter, however, if you are
the Lakers and you're saying, Okay, is JJ Reddick gonna
be good? I don't know, right, Mike, Buttenholzer looks like
he's gonna be the Son's next head coach. That's the
guy they have. There's other Kenny Atkinson has mentioned out
there as well. Frank Vogel is a really good defensive coach.

(34:38):
Right three times his teams have been at the top
of the NBA, including when he coached the Lakers. I
know that the next team he goes to will be
better defensively. I've already seen it with the Lakers. If
it doesn't matter, if you're just looking to throw darts,
this is a gift. This is a gift where both
sides have to say, all right, we understand. Yeah, Frank
Vogel's way. Maybe it was time for a change. He

(34:59):
needs he needed to change, we needed to change. But
this is what worked. You won the title in twenty twenty.
You won the title, You're a great defensive team. You
don't have a lot of money to remake this Lakers team.
So where's it gonna get better? Hey, if you get
better defensively, that's it. People don't think about that about
how if we get better defensively, suddenly we're gonna win
more games. It's not always about adding players. But I
know they'll be better defensively. And if the Lakers can

(35:20):
do that, yeah, maybe that's what they need to get
over the top. So if I'm right now thinking we
just got a gift, we just got a gift that
Frank voge will being available and we have to look
and say, Okay, Lebron, you understand you want a title
with him. And there's a lot of a lot of
guys walking out there with titles that we can go
out and get that have worked. Then understand Los Angeles
and one in LA. He's one of them. I think
you kind of have to make this work now if

(35:42):
you're the Lakers. That's the best solution you could possibly have.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Wow, Wow that you know, you who says you can't
go home again go into Lebron. It's like, you know,
we're gonna need you to commit to more than one
or two defensive efforts and a quarter. How do you
feel about that? I know, I don't know that's gonna work. Man,
that's a long time.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
To play defense. He got four years ago. But still
but he's proven, he's proven. You're taking a chance on
anybody else you had? Well, no, listen, most of the
season was out of the bubble, and the Lakers were
the best team in the NBA. They were rolling when
when the NBA season got stopped, not like they got
into the playoffs and suddenly oh hey no they were rolling.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah No, that was just my attempt to just you know,
the tongue in cheek because everybody gets all mad about
that chimp and tries to discount it. But when when
you get down to I don't think it's a terrible
idea because I mean, look at the rest of the
coaches that are out there. Even if Budenholzer was the
guy you wanted first, Yeah, you watched a lot of
struggles there. I mean, and the guy that you know

(36:46):
would want you to play defense and whatever else. But
is he a guy that it's necessarily gonna mesh with
Lebron like that? It's the billion dollar question or a multi
billion dollar question of Lebron and a d who are
they gonna listen to? If you a tyleru away from
the Clippers, that truly when it comes down to you.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
But really everybody else you're taking a chance on, right,
That's the whole thing is Could Kenny Atkinson work? I
don't know. I just keep doing the Homer Simpson. I
don't know. I don't know. Well these guys work. Will
JJ Reddick work? You know, he's Lebron's friend. I don't know. Really,
Lebron's gonna bind to JJ Redick. At least Frank Vogel
has that that cachet of history. We won a title,
We won a title. Can we do this together and

(37:26):
win a title and again? Look, Lebron has won titles
with coaches he's felt towards before. In the past. He
was and with with with Eric Spolster and he won. Right,
He's been and with guys before. Yeah, and he won.
So I see that this is like the only choice.
Like this is like, I mean, it's a gift that
he's available and it's got to be. Okay, whatever happened,
it's been a couple of years, and we know this

(37:46):
work before, and we're pretty sure this can work again.
So let's go do it.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Run it back. I think.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
You've had time. You've had time to get past you know,
there's been a.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Lot of coaches in between, to look and do the
you know, the comparison side to side.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I mean really, I mean, I I don't see how
there's gonna be any other solution for the Lakers that's
better than this. I mean really, I really exit out
about a Frasca exit swollen down the Jason Smith Show
with my best friend Mike Carmon live from the tirec
dot Com Studios. Uh So, yeah, Frank Vogel Lakers. Hey
see if we can make it happen. We have more

(38:25):
NBA on the way, but coming up next, we also
got a big story out of football. Where do you
see what's still being said about the Brady roast. This
is Fox Sports Radio for so many people throughout their lives,
Like I told you how funny they are and how
great they are. The reaction to this. I wonder if, like,
like what percentage of the country had no idea what

(38:47):
a roast was, and now they they just, oh, I
don't know about this. This is incredible listens. So they
do this for celebrities, and they they say bad jokes
about them, and they go places they shouldn't play. I
don't understand about this. They almost feel like people are
just understanding I didn't know what this roast concept was,
but now it's brand new, like it hasn't been going
on for like seventy five years in Hollywood.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
How many people do you think went to the Cooking
Channel to watch.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
This actually done? See if Tom Brady's going to make
a roast. I want to see how it's done. I
want to go see.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
But these are also people that clearly don't watch Late
night television. How many times have you had the complete
series of the Dean Martin Celebrity Roast tried to be
sold to you. Look, it's got Don Rickles and Foster Brooks,
and over there's Milton Burle with Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra
and an appearance by Sammy Davis Junior. I mean, come on,

(39:41):
we've had those on TV late night forever, in between
your wrongco and Different Medication Long Term and now LifeLock.
I had no idea how people could have been oblivious
to what the concept of a roast was. They're gonna
sit around and tell nice stories about what a great
guy he was. Oh, it's not an Irish.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Wake honey, honey. I'm on the Food Network channel and
it's Guy Fierni and people are running around like a
fake supermarket, grabbing things and cooking. Where's the Brady Roast?
It's not Can you cut? I don't know what's going
on here. You gotta find this for me? Oh streaming? Oh,
I don't know how to figure Can you can you
come over and turn this on for me? I don't
know how to get the Netflix. No, I know there's

(40:22):
a Netflix button right on the remote that I have,
but I do. I press it and it goes right
to and it goes right to Netflix. If I press
that button, it goes right to I don't think it does.
I think I had to turn something out, all right, No,
i'd find all right, I go right to Netflix. I mean,
it's like, I feel like it's this concept of a
roast is oh, I didn't know it was gonna be this,
or I didn't know what this was all about, Like
it's something brand new. I really, because that's the only

(40:44):
way this reaction is as it is, because people are
just so up in arms, are so surprised about things.
Because other than that, it's oh, hey, the Brady roast.
That's pretty cool. They said this, they said this. It
was fun. But it's like it was this big cultural phenomenon. Man, Like, hey,
there's this new concept where you know, if a guy
agrees to it, you pay him enough money, he'll sit
in a chair and people will make really embarrassing jokes

(41:07):
about him for like two or three hours, and then
he gets a chance at the end to go back
at everybody who said bad things about him. What a
great concept. I can't believe, you know what I had
the other day I went to go get make a
peanut butter and jelly sandwich, and I dropped my chocolate
into the peanut butter, and I took the chocolate out
and I took a bite and it tasted great. So
I just started dipping my chocolate to the peanut butter.

(41:27):
Do people really do stuff like that? Now? This is amazing, Like, really,
that's a roast. It's a roast. What a roast is? Well?

Speaker 3 (41:33):
That and like all these the comedian there's a couple
of the comedians that are obviously newer. But I mean
Jeffrey Ross and Nicki Glazer have been doing this a minute.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, well Jeffrey Ross's but this has been his old career.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
That's his entire career, right, he had that show that
was running seemingly weekly. We're roasting somebody else, really hurriedly.
Let's get it up and going. I don't I don't know, man,
I'm always confused. And look, there's plenty of stuff that
passes in pop culture, music, whatever that I have no
idea what the hell it is. So you know, I

(42:06):
certainly am looking out my glass house as I throw
these stores. But the concept of a roast and and
what it's supposed to be. Yeah, it seems seemed a
little little funny. It's like the the person who gets
a sign from the desk because we know from newspapers
and other forms of media they're being cutbacks or whatever.

(42:27):
It's like, hey, you normally do the what the obituaries? Yeah,
you're gonna cover the roast?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Don't worry, just go to the forum. You'll have a
good time. It's gonna be a bunch of famous people there.
Do I guess? God, what the hell is this the
Will there be food? And will they validate my parking? Okay, great,
I'll go cover it.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
That's what most people probably think.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
It's a universal roast rule that you're not allowed to
make fun of Robert Kraft.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
How does so much power? I can't believe the owner
of a football team at so much pain.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
You can't hit in the face like you're gonna in
the day.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
You can make fun of the quarterback all you want,
but you can't make fun of the Oh I didn't
know that, Okay, I gotta watch out for that.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
I wish they'd had one or two more random people
in the in the audience. I mean, I know Kardashian
did a thing up on stage, but people seem to
have been really out of sorts because she was in
the stands. So they should have picked one or two
other people that weren't Dana White to go after just randomly, Hey,
I see you back there. Thanks for taking that. I
got you now.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
It's like, but I just came as a plus one.
So we'll have more on this story coming up at
about fifteen minutes. I mean, there's there's something that came
out today that makes he's gonna make you go, oh
my goodness. But seventy eight fouls, seventy eight calls is
what the Pacers have complained to the NBA office about

(43:46):
missed calls or calls that were not made in favor
of the calves that went to the Knicks wrongly. All right,
this is what Rick Carlisle mentioned last night, head coach
of the Pacers. Look, we are we are going to
talk to the league about this because the fouls are
not being called equally. We're really being put upon. Now
we're able to get some audio here from Fox Sports.

(44:08):
What this is exclusive audio we have here of the
league office picking up the phone after the seventy eighth
call from Rick Carlile complaining about it because he called
seventy eight times. Here I found this one. This one
seventy eight times he called the league office, and we
have audio of the League picking up the phone for
the seventy eighth time. Do you want to hear it?

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Did we make sure it was edited?

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Frostburg? Is it edited?

Speaker 4 (44:32):
I'm not sure?

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Okay, all right, let's rag it.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
I like that answer. Yeah, then count me in. I
leaned in with great anticipation.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Let's live dangerous. Let's see how the League answered the
phone after getting seventy seven previous calls from Rick Carlisle.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
I'm looking all over for you.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
I gotta get out of here, proano.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
I got a Stage five cleaner. I need more time.
Did you get what I just said to you? Stage
five virgin clinger? I was. I was at least hoping
you would edit in a phone ringing sound.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
No, after the seventy eighth time, they just they just
pick right up. It doesn't even ring.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
I gotta grab it. I gotta grab it.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
That's what the pacers are. They're they're the Stage five
clinger at the end of Oh.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
My goodness, this is just this is just crazy.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
I on their lower back.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
I get that's a bully right here. It is, buddy,
all right, a little most dangerous game. Sure what we got.
But outside of this ridiculous because I get you know
this is all about I would rather Recarlo just say hey, referees,
how about you call the game for us next game? Like,
instead of going through that, just say hey and not
look so crazy and stupid when when you're saying I
got seventy eight calls you didn't make for us. I

(45:47):
couldn't get to eighty or eighty five or ninety, but
I got seventy eight.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
He leaned into the bit. You already thought he was
unhinged after the double dribble. He's doing it for you.
It's performance, aren't for you?

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Smith? Just say it? But are you ready for a
Jalen Brunson hot take? You're ready for Jalen Brunson hot take?
You ready? Oh? Let's go? All right? So I'm gonna
ask you this now. We've talked about him throughout the playoffs.
He's questionable for Game three tomorrow night. Nicks will not
have Ogano Noobi. Maybe he plays, maybe he doesn't. The
Nicks have a freebe tomorrow night. The Pacers should win

(46:17):
by thirty tomorrow night and make it a two games
to one series, and maybe Rick Carlisle will calm down.
But I gotta ask you this, who would you rather
have the ball in the final minute of a game?
Who would you rather have a ball in the final
minute with a chance to either win the game, tie it,
make a play or make a pass?

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Reggie Miller?

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Who would you stop Reggie Miller? He's not gonna pass
to anybody. He's gonna find a way to shoot it
even if four guys are on him. It doesn't matter. Georgia,
Who would you rather have the ball at the end
in a situation like that in the last minute of
a game? Jalen Brunson wait for it, Wait for it,
Jalen Brunson or Steph Curry? Who would you rather final

(47:00):
minute of the game? Who would you rather have the ball? Is?

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Klay Thompson? Klay Thompson?

Speaker 1 (47:08):
You know what, It doesn't matter because there's a reason
why Jalen Brunson is the right answer, and can b
RM ready for my interview? There's a reason why Brunson
is the right answer, and it's really got more to
do with Steph than it does with Jalen Brunson. Because
Brunson is not the biggest guy, right, He's not. He's
not the biggest guy's not the most athletic guy. But
what what have you seen from Brunson in the final
minutes of games, whether it's this year before the year

(47:31):
before that. Brunson, a despite his size, can get his
shot off no matter what. He can get his shot off.
He finds a way because he's that good and he's
that smart.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
He's on the way to get a lot of mass, right,
which rhymes with ass.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Use what you have, right.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
But but Steph Man, work what Jamma gave you.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
That's Steph Curry is one of the best shooters of
all time, right, he got Brunson can get his shot
off in the final minute. More importantly, when he gets
double teamed, Jalen Brunson finds an out to pass the ball.
Steph Curry doesn't. Steph Curry can't get a round of
double team and and and squirt through and find a
place to go with the basketball. Jalen Brunson does. All right,

(48:13):
this is just this is just about Steph at the
end of games. Why he doesn't have all these game
winning shots. People remember why he's big in transition and
when they're up and when they're running up and down
the floor, when you come down to the end of
the games, it's the same. It's it's it's the same.
It's he can't get his own shot off and he
can't pass through double teams. So if he could pass
through double teams, Dwarfs will win games that way. But
they can't. But watch Jalen Brunson again, not a big dude, right.

(48:37):
You look at him and Curry, very similar, and yet
Jalen Brunson finds a way to step back and get
his shot off, or go through a guy and get
a shot off, or get a guy on his hip
knowing he's going one way, turn the other way, bank
off the backboard, or hey, I got two guys on me.
I'm not gonna wait. I know I gotta get the
ball out. And here comes here comes Hard, here comes Stevincenzo.

(48:57):
The Knicks are decisive and they make their shots. He
does that, and we've seen him do that. I'm not
telling you anything that I'm making up or that we
haven't seen the final minute of a game. Who would
you rather have the ball. I know, Jaylen Brunson get
a shot off, or he gets the ball to a
teammate for a big shot. I don't know that Steph
Curry can do that.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
You know what's kind of funny is earlier today, I
you know, as I'm scrolling, I'm out walking the dog,
and I see Draymond Green's video clip pop up, and
he was having that conversation as related to who's the
best point guard in the game. Has Brunson surpassed Steph Curry?
And he goes blank, No, you know, Steph Curry is
still playing in the league. I'm like, yeah, But now

(49:36):
we get into that discussion is he really a point guard?
Which is a whole other offshoot of this thing, which
you know, I've always and wondered if he wasn't truly
just a shooting guard. But that's neither here nor there.
Your premise is interesting. You make a compelling argument and
again owing back to Brunson being able to create space

(49:58):
and find pass angles even if he's not vertically uh
on eye level with all these other guys floating. I
see how and nice I was me as the short
fire plug guy talking about you know, six one six
two guys running around who have veritable giants next to me.
But you know, for for Brunson, you've had the rise

(50:21):
of Devincenzo and some of these other guys to be
able to make plays. So at present, it certainly is
is a discussion with having I think my my history
tells me that I would be, you know, committing some
sort of basketball crime if I bypass Kurry right now.
But uh, I'm leaning that way, even though it gives

(50:44):
your Nicks a win.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
I know, but but that but that's I mean, we've
watched it for so long and look these guys, they're
both six to two. They both go one five, one ninety.
But I'll give bruntson the benefit of the.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Dost no chance. And hell, he's the same way.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Maybe maybe he's playing a little bit more with but
that's all. He still gets a shot off as well.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
I mean, look at it, and he does wear the
extra shirt, so it's gonna add you know, maybe a
little appearance and ball.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Oh yeah, I don't you know that because I've wore
an extra shirts like they add like fifteen twenty pounds
to you.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
If you want to see it every day in the studio.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I take that one shirt off. It's like, who is this?
That's Jason, Oh my god, look at him's chiseled, he's
all that. Yeah, I wear an extra shirt. Sometimes it's
how it is. No, but that look that makes he's
not as fast steph Curry is fast or more elusive,
should be able to get a shout, but he can't.
But he can't do I mean, it's it sounds like
a hot take, but it's not that hot a take
because you realize at the end of games the Warriors
are limited because he can't do that, and and the

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Knicks are where they are because their point guard with
the basketball the entire time, can do that. I mean,
it's real. It sounds hot, but it's not really hot.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (51:44):
If it sounds hot but it's not hot? Is that what? What?
What is that? Is that fou hot? Is it?

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Whether it's actually hot or not?

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Is that a new segment we're gonna add to the show.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Dude Hot or Not was a segment in radio like
eighteen years ago.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
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