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after and NFL Black Monday turned into black Tuesday for
John Harbaugh, or maybe just a just a really really
bad Tuesday. The no good Judy not Bummers summer and

(01:14):
then no good, very unhappy day for John Harbaugh. Been
too long for most movie posters. But yeah, I know
it works works out that way. I mean something.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
We saw the sort of damnacles swinging, a lot of rumor, conjecture, speculation,
and finally it came down. Earlier today they went full
walking Phoenix and Gladiator, and the Thumb's down happened in Bolt.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I like how the story went from both sides have
agreed to move on, And an hour later it was
Baltimore has fired John Harbaugh as their head coach.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, he lost the locker room, Like all of this stuff,
it just needed to marinate for a minute, and bam,
we broke the seal on the suvide.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
We'll put out the statement that it's mutual. Yeah, yeah,
that's fine, that's fine. Okay, Has Harball left the building?
He got all the stuff, you packed everything up? Yeah,
y no, we fired that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
His passwords been changed. Any of these None of the
shared files can be edited.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Right now, here's the deal hereuse there's a couple of
huge things off of this. Number one. I always like
to say we're ahead of the curve. It was in September,
in late September, back in sixty three, What a very
special time for me, Oh Lamar Jackson, what a night

(02:25):
with the bad start by the Ravens, you know, the
awful Week one loss where it just was, you know,
and things went went bad from there that the Ravens
were struggling. It looked like they were done right. The
Steelers were running away with it early. The Ravens were
sitting at one win into October and we said this,
I remember in the middle of September, Harball is gonna

(02:49):
get fired if this season doesn't go well. And I
remember the reaction was, Oh, it's not gonna happen. No,
because there's been too many seasons where they have fallen short.
And while it's been a variety of reasons, you know, well,
hey it was Lamar Jackson bad turned the ball over
in one playoff. Yet could Mark Andrews have caught that
pass and maybe that would have happened. Yeah, if Tyler

(03:09):
Loop had made the field goal. Yeah. If you can't
just point to one thing and say, well, this is
what teams do to Lamar Jackson the play whatever reason
they have not gotten it done. But the one commonality
across the entire time, or the two commonalities, have been
Lamar Jackson and John Harbaugh. Okay, they're not moving on
from Lamar Jackson, Right, that's not happening. Okay, the guy's

(03:29):
going to the Hall of Fame. He's in the middle
of his career. We said it at the time. They're
gonna take a hard look and say, we've had this
time so far with John Harbaugh and we've not been
able to get over the top of the mountain, right, lamarj.
We just can't get to a super Bowl with what's
going on right now. And he's the one common bond. So, okay,
are we gonna think that coming back next year is

(03:50):
gonna happen? Right at the beginning of this year was
Ravens have the most talented roster in the NFL. They're
so good, and instead it was an absolute disaster for
most of the year and then a gut punch fine
game losing to the Steelers the way they did. We too,
he's coaching for his job. If they don't make the play,
they don't have a run, he's getting fired. You knew
it then. So the fact that happens today is really

(04:12):
not that shocking. It's really not that I'm surprised it
didn't happen yesterday, but maybe, hey, we want to take
a day. It's emotional we played Sunday night. You know,
we didn't play Sunday at one o'clock and we're not
sitting there with a press release ready to go. We
want to make sure because if they win the game,
they're not going to fire him. And I don't think
it was a case of well, if we win, he
keeps the job, and if we lose, we're firing him.

(04:33):
So okay, so late Sunday night, they probably spend most
of the day yesterday talking about it. Do we need
to move on this? And the answer is yeah, because
you can't continue to give away seasons, not when you
have a quarterback like Lamar Jackson. When it comes down
to the two of them, you could tell just things
were odd this year. Things were doing Lamar didn't run
as much. Was he injured? Was he not? Was he

(04:53):
was he turning into a quarterback that Hey, I've kind
of unplugged from this situation, from this team. I need
a change to happen. And it was just weird. It
was just an odd situation. So we knew in September
they don't make the playoffs. He's getting fired. Doesn't mean
its a bad coach, but eighteen years at one place, Yeah,
when you had this long with your quarterback, it's going
to happen. So the fact that he got fired not surprising.

(05:16):
And the Ravens really had to do it because you
want to say, for the back half of Lamar's career,
and maybe he's gotten another three or four years of
prime Lamar left if he stays healthy, right, because you
know the mobile quarterbacks they break down earlier. It just
happens that way, So you think maybe he's got three
four more years left. Did you really think, well, whichs
gonna run it back with John Hope? We've had the
best of Harbaugh and Lamar together. It didn't work. There

(05:37):
needs to be new ideas coming in. There needs to
be a new way to get things done because what
we had is not working. And not only did it
not work, but we came into this year with such
great expectations and we didn't even make the playoffs. So yeah,
this is not surprising in the least. This happened.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
No, I mean we joked about it Sunday morning doing
the show that I did with Jared Smith.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I just went full w WoT us leaves town match? Right?

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Mike Tomlin, whether he goes to a broadcast booth. You know,
we would get the they agree to part ways that
seemed destined to where we were going. If Pittsburgh lives instead,
he's thumping his chest after win. But with Harball, it's like.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
It's like the gift that Frostburg sent us today, where
it's it's the picture of the last field goal going
wide right, and and the font on the on the
outside of the coal post said says Harball fired, And
the font in the middle of the goal post says
Tomlin fired, like a field goal makes. And Tomlin's getting
if it's outside, it's Harball getting.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, it's wah for thin right, the the razor's edge,
as it were, in terms of results, and a lot
of lamentation.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
And I know coaching and you wring your hands, you go,
what are you gonna do? That's better?

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well, you're you're running in place, and and I think
part of it is you want Wait, if you're the Ravens,
you give it a day Sunday night football. But also,
let's see what Domino's fall, right, Let's see who becomes
available immediately. Kevin Stevanski in division Wait, we he can
actually come coach a place where we have the quarter yeah, right,
because Bashati did this before he got rid of Brian Billick.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Brian Billick had a hell of a.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Run and then that war wore out because you know,
the smartest guy in the room in those kind of battles,
and you move on with Harball. I mean that Super
Bowl is twenty twelve, right, that's a long ass time.
You don't get to trade on that forever. And yes,
it is an odd convergence of circumstances which most of

(07:26):
our media brethren failed to recognize when they start going
to look at Lamar Jackson's numbers like there should have
been three more wins yea in there, and then the
dopey end of game decision. I'm still holding up a
twelve to fifty three side from a couple of weeks
ago where Derek Henry never saw the ball again.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I mean, there have been.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Some decision making in the last month where you're scratching
your head going, what the hell are you doing?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (07:49):
That is the end game to all of this, But yeah,
Lamar Jackson or John Harball one has to go. Sorry,
Harbaugh done. And with Lamar Jackson, I think he and
Josh Allen are two great example, same draft class of
guys who have been elite because of that extra that
they bring you getting to the edge, making and extending

(08:10):
plays with their legs.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Year eight. This is year eight in the NFL. It's
been a long time. You've had a lot.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
When you and I were growing up, how many guys
got past year eight where you said, Hey, that guy's
still gonna be a star.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
No, look you're eight. They were done. And I'm a
big proponent because I said this with the Mets, with
Pete a Lonzo. When you've seen the best of a
guy and the best of a situation, don't sign up
for more of it. If if you fall in short,
it's time to do something else. Right, So it's time
for the raven to do something else. So while that
is true, because both of these things can be true
at once, is that this is now the fascinating part

(08:41):
of the NFL offseason because everybody we thought was going
to fire a coach on Monday fired a coach. Or
if you're the Falcon Sunday night, right, I can't wait.
I gotta get rid of Rheem Morris. And you said
that once the Jets didn't well, but that cold study
Dad gets into things now because what's happened When those
guys were fired, there was nobody that really people wanted that. Hey,

(09:03):
we got to go make sure we get the first
interview with these guys, right, Like Davis Webb has emerged
as a big candidate, it's for the raiders. Are this
like Davis Webb's like, so you know where we're at
with star power. But after the firings and now the
two names that are the best resumes that have great
levels of success in a really weak year for candidates,

(09:25):
for people coming in with new ideas and new systems
and new ways to get it done right. Everybody wants
the next Mike McDonald Kyle Shanahan. I get that, but
those guys aren't out there every year, Ben Johnson, those
guys aren't out there. The fact that now the two
best guys on the market are Stefanski and Harbaugh and
to an extent, Raheem Morris, all guys who were fired.

(09:46):
This is the fact because this is where teams that
didn't fire a coach jets. This is where teams who
didn't fire a coach dophense. This is where teams who
didn't fire a coach have to sit back and say,
whoa are we sure we like our guy? Because boy,
I really like Harball, I really like Morris, I really
like Stefanski. I really like these guys. And is it

(10:08):
worth it? Because if we fire our guy, we got
to make sure we are getting the guy we want.
Like you can say, hey, Harbaugh is our guy, right,
because how many teams are not gonna say that?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Right?

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Harbaugh is our guy? Okay? Well, here Stefanski should arm
wrestle over the Giants job, which I'm sure is the
number one get. Hey, I want that, I want the quarterback,
I want the wide receivers, I want the running back,
I want the market, I want everything. That's the best job, clearly,
so they should arm wrestle over that. But now these
other teams and others, Hey, wait a minute, I really

(10:39):
like this guy, but we gotta make sure that we
can get it. It's almost like you have to have
a wink and a nod that, Hey, Kevin Stefanski's agent,
we're not gonna fire our head coach immediately and right now.
But if we did fire our head coach, it just
if we did happen, What do you think of the

(11:00):
chances that you would want to come in and coach
and the agent says, well, you know, I'm not saying
fire a guy, but if you fired the guy, yeah,
I'm pretty sure we could get something done here. So
that's how it goes. And if you're calling the Jets,
the Jets call and say, hey, so if we fired again, no, no, no, no,
this is the Jets, right yeah, no, no, don't keep

(11:22):
your guy, keep your guy. All the other coaches in
the afcast would be really mad if we came in
because they like the fact they can go to and
Ozer against Aaron Glenn pretty much every season, So okay
to keep that guy. So that's kind of what has
to happen now. So it's not gonna be suddenly where, oh,
we're gonna fire our head coach, because there's all these
guys out there. They have to know that if we
fire our guy that won Stefanski, Harbaugh, Morris, they're gonna

(11:46):
come and be so because Morris is already getting head
coaching interviews as well. He's already interviewed with the Titans.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
So now sight seeming they are just gonna have a
forty seven seat table, yeah and talk to everybody.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, enough hours in the day to talk to all
the people. But now that's why the next couple of
days are gonna be fascinate because already you saw the
video supposedly of Stefanski. He's flying to New York to
interview with the Giants and all these different things. So
now it's like, Okay, we got to get on it
if we want to do this, because there are a
couple of pretty good openings out there, right The Giants
is the best opening that's out there, and Harbaugh and Stefanski, hey,

(12:20):
they'd want to be at the top of that. I
bet you Harball's already go I want to come in
and talk to you guys. But so if you really
want one of these guys, you have to make that
move sometime in the next twenty four to thirty six hours.
And you have to know that when we interview you
you're going to come here, that it's gonna be a
deal that neither one of us can reneg on if
we if we fire our head coach, we're not we

(12:42):
can't suddenly say go Bay, sorry, we're gonna bring you back.
So that's the most fascinating part about the NET. Who's
going to fire their head coach? Because now better options
are out there. There's there's ten teams I can think
of off the top of the head to say, hey,
Stefanski and Harbaugh, potentially Mar, look because Mars really closed
well with the Falcons. It's a messy situation there. So
there's ten teams I can say, Yeah, you can do

(13:03):
better with what's out there now, not what has been
out there, but what in the last twenty five was,
since Black Monday happened, coaches got fired. There's three guys
out there better than anybody you had up until that point.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
This would also be a great time to be working
in an agent's office, right, it's a small circle. I
think you can get a table of eight and have
most of the NFL coaches agents at the same table.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Right.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
This is what was a dinner for five with the
old Favreau thing that he would do with Oh yeah, yeah, sure, yeah,
we're just expect adding a couple extra seats and a
you know, the divider in the middle of the table.
But all of that to say, all right, I need
you to do due diligence on what really happened here
with this ownership group in the GM, right, because if
you're not blowing out the GM Now you gotta go

(13:46):
work with that guy?

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Was he difficult? Was that a problem?

Speaker 3 (13:48):
And every one of these ownership groups, you could rank
them deciding which one might be the one you want
to work with least, right all the way to the Giants.
At this point, I wish everybody well, and they're health pursuits.
But you know, the the Walls, you know, a half
years and and there'd been rumblings that there were just
a lot of discord going there. Somehow Shane survives, which

(14:09):
is a whole other thing. But knowing he's picking the
groceries might not be why you want to go there,
even if you like Jackson Dart and Malik Neighbors and
Scatamo Scataboscado, Scatamos, Scatabos, But go on to Arthur Blank,
go on like all these go to the Titans. I mean,
Titans rank last in terms of jobs that you'd want
to go to. But the other one that's still interesting

(14:30):
out there that we we talked about a little bit,
and the rumors are still there. If the Bears take
down the Packers, it's been a long time since the
floor did anything at work, so potentially the packers job
opens up over the weekend.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
That's the most who fires their head coach now because
there's better guys out. Get around right the full meer
cat looking up. We love you. We think next year
is gonna be great. Oh hey, I know I said
that yesterday, but things have changed. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
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(17:10):
what do you go? The Lakers are back. Yeah, they're
gonna win this game. They're up by seven with twenty
seven seconds left to go. I feel like teams like
the Knicks and the Lakers, like every every day it's
it's either things are great or this is the worst.
This is the absolute worst. Man is terrible.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
You're talking about a game against New Orleans on the
road and La Ravia. I don't I haven't seen him
do anything but throw the ball off opponents. He's done
this twice in the last probably twenty seconds of game action.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Now he's a helica. George is the side of the
sideline though, where he just firing it back off like
he's spiking a volleyball off him and Lebron's running over.
I have a good teammate today, Look at me. Do
you think most people out there probably think that they're
in New Orleans they're playing the Hornets? Oh yeah, sure, sure.
They think Chris Paul is playing guard for the hornets
touch the top of his head. They think it's Chris

(18:03):
Paul and David West. That's that two man games.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yeah, that's all right there.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
So yeah, I mean it's either Lady or the Tiger.
It's like everything is great or this is the worst.
This is the worst.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Like, oh, that's the beauty of being in a big
market with a couple of huge superstars where the poison pens.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Come out at a turn up a dime. Sure. I mean, look,
the Lakers are going to be twenty three and eleven
and they've gone from last week. Everything is awful, and
JJ Redick is taking on his players and he's getting
all heat for saying, hey, we got a care more.
When he was a guy on TV a year ago
saying if you're the head coach, you have to get
your players to care more. And now this everything is great,

(18:41):
Everything is wonderful. Like a week ago things were awesome
with the Knicks, it was, but now four losses in
a row and suddenly Jalen Brunson saying we have to respond.
We have. We had a closed door meeting after the
game is over, like it's there's there's no That's the
one thing that I always worry about teams like the
Lakers and the Knicks where it can't be Hey, we
have to play bet you know, we adjust from one

(19:03):
game to the next. Too many wild swings of emotion
over the course from eighty two games. Look, in any
in any sport, you can't. You can't treat every week
like it's the super Bowl, right, that was always I
told you that was always Rex Ryan's issue. Every week
can't be the super Bowl, And it was when he
was the head coach of the Jets and the Bills, Like,
you can't do that because the wins are great, but
the losses are devastating. You wind up going on a

(19:24):
run where things are just absolutely awful. You have to
be able to, you know, treat wins and losses. The
impostor is the same, and you'll be a man my
son and Rudyard Kipling. But but teams like the Lakers
and the Knicks, it's impossible. It's impossible for for one game,
if it goes bad, it's all look at all the problems,
Look at all the problems I got now, But you
win a game, it's everything is off, everything is great,

(19:44):
it is wonderful. It's all right. That's great, yeah, oh no, no,
but now we lost and now everything is bad again.
Like that's why I keep going back to saying it's
it's January again. I don't know why we're still playing
basketball games. I watched the Knicks win the title last month.
I watched the confetti come down. I don't know why
I were still playing. Well, it was the shortest off
season in NBA history. I mean, they had two weeks

(20:05):
the end of one season till Christmas Day, and here
we are. I mean, I'm ready for the beginning of
next season. When the Knicks raised the banner for the
the end season tournament championship, I'm ready for to raise
the banner. That's why they're not doing it now.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
At the closed door was still more to plan a
parade route. The celebration would.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Be why are we playing? This makes no sense. They
were voting on catering when I watched confetti come down,
and you're wearing hats, championship hats and T shirts. It's over.
It's over, and the championship is here. It's absolutely over, right.
I don't know why again, I don't know why we're
still playing basketball. I really don't. College basketball is sure
we got to get to March at the NBA. Why
we are inside the next one? I saw it a lot, but.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Again it's it's a new season. I mean, reset the
records and get after it, because really that's kind of
what we do as we get to the end of
just like that's freezing because look at all of a sudden,
the Clippers are good.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, yeah, well there, I don't know that they're good,
easy good. Yeah, but yeah, but it's but I didn't
say great, but be going. But before that they had
lost like twenty five of thirty. That was the preseason
when your Knicks won the title. Again, I don't know
why we're still playing basketball. Why are guys being interviewed?
Why am I watching the right The season's over. We won.

(21:14):
I saw it in Vegas. Had happened. It's over. The
Knicks won the title. Did you cash that ticket? Yeah,
Knicks champions. I can squint at it and go that
it looks like a Larry O'Brien Trophy ticket right there.
I could do that. I could do that. That was
you know, that was the one time I could say
I could see what my life in retirement from from
working would be, like I would easually say, oh, the
Knicks are playing in Vegas. Let's go to Vegas for

(21:36):
for four days. Let's go to Vegas for four days ago.
Because I don't have work for Payton spend a lot
of money on tickets, that's for sure. I could be
a seat filler and see yeah, hey, you're not dressed
appropriate now. Yeah, pay would love to go to Vegas
four days see a couple of games. Yeah, but I
can't do that because I got to sit next to
you every night and you know, and talk about sports
and let everybody know. Now things are gonna go over

(21:58):
the course of next once, because you know, we predict
the future pretty well. Yeah, but like for time, like, yeah,
I would easily do that. Oh, I'll go to Vegas
for four days. Yes, you're go see a couple of games. Yeah,
tickets are basically free, they're giving them away, all right.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Great, Yeah, but then you start negotiating. Look, I'll be
a seed filler, but I need a ticket to the back.
You gotta give me something of value if I'm gonna
go out here.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Now, speaking of Vegas, this gets to a store that's
now bled into its second day that I just want
to say that this is not me saying, oh, you
say bad things about my team. I think you're an idiot.
This is me saying, hey, you say bad things about
my team I agree with, but still you kind of
look like an idiot. So Todd McShay, who longtime ESPN

(22:37):
ad I did shows with Todd. You know Todd. Todd's
a good dude. Got clicks a day ago by saying, Hey,
if you're Dante Moore, you call the Raiders to see
if they'll draft you number one overall, and if they won't,
you say, I'm going back to Oregon because nobody in
this draft wants to be a Jet. Okay, and said
it was really, what do you say nobody wants to

(22:59):
be a Jet? Now, let's let's be realistic on it,
because I'm gonna be realistic before I tell you why.
Todd mcshay's full of it, right. So, and now everybody
wants to know with the game coming up Dante more,
what kind of game does he have to have you
go back? What kind of money would it be for
Oregon to keep them? Would it be seven to ten
million dollars? Do they have it for him?

Speaker 4 (23:15):
So?

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah? Do I think players generally are thrilled with being Jets. No,
but someone's gonna get taken number two overall, someone's gonna
be incredibly happy. They're gonna hold up the Jets jersey
and they're gonna go play. Right, But do I really
think the Jets are are a team that people are
going crazy to go play for. No, the Jets are
an absolute train wreck, right, I get that, But there's
still one of thirty two, and people like to be employed,

(23:37):
they like to play, and they're gonna go play for
the Jets.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Doesn't mean that I don't disagree that. Hey, the Jets
ruined quarterbacks. Whatever the Jets do is wrong, right. Whatever
they decide to do is wrong, right, Whatever they decide
to do is wrong. I understand that because I get that. Now,
no matter what they do, this seems like it's right,
which means it's wrong. It means whatever decision they make
is gonna wind up being wrong. So I understand, However,
just the way to prove that point by saying, I

(24:03):
call the Raiders to see if they take me number
one overall, not, I call the Cowboys, I call the
forty nine ers, I call the Steelers. I call these
well runnitions good that are picking number one overall put
the Cowboys right, Well, but cowboys are relatives. Yeah, still
still good overall. This is yeah, run, yeah, yeah, this

(24:24):
is so. What he's saying is that, oh, the Raiders
are the Deaths are a destination. The Raiders are the
biggest tire fire alongside the Jets. And you could say
they're even a worse tire fire because they've been worse
for longer than the Jets have been. They don't develop
quarterbacks either, they don't develop anybody. They are an absolute mess.
You saw reports say how dysfunctional they were last year.

(24:45):
You hire a first year GM and a seventy four
year old head coach, and Tom Brady is jumping in
and making decisions. The Raiders are an absolute tire fire.
Don't sit here and tell me, oh, yeah, I call
the Red Really you want to go to the Raiders.
I don't think for Naro Mendoza one to be a Raider, really,
I don't think he does. I don't think Dante Moore
wants to be a Raider. But Todd McShay hates the Jets.
He's friends with Joe Douglas. I understand that nobody wants

(25:08):
to be a Jet but dude, nobody wants to be
a Raider either. Okay, don't don't suddenly sit here and
tell me that, Hey, Vegas is a big destination for
NFL players. No one's excited coming out saying I want
to go play for the Raiders. I weep for Fernando Mendoza.
Think about what's gonna happen to him coming from Indiana,
which is this program that we stand up and say,

(25:28):
look at the shining light. They've been all the positivity
he's been able to experience the last year in Indiana,
this incredible wave of doing things well and being the
little engine that could, and now they're a power and
he wins the Heisman Trophy. All of this success that
Kurt Signetti has been able to succeed with in Indiana,

(25:50):
He's gonna go to the Raiders. It's gonna be what
the blank is going on here? Man? Things were better
when I was in college, when I was in Bloomington,
things were better than this. Man. What the hell? He's
used to an incredibly great way of life and just
waking up every day and songbirds singing outside the door
and it's like Bell from Beauty. The Beast is going

(26:10):
is singing every morning, every morning, morning, Bell morning, sir,
little town Bloomington, Like that's f Danda Mendoza right now,
and then he's gonna go to Vegas. It's Ody's whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa whoa, dude, I really this is this is not
what I thought it was gonna be. And the Raiders
will ruin him, just like the Jets will ruin whoever
they take. So to suddenly say to say, oh I

(26:31):
go and call the Raiders, that's a load of crap.
Nobody wants to be a Raider either. If it was
a different team picking number one, if it was the Chargers,
if it was the Broncos, it was a Giants, it
was a okay, yeah, I get it. You want to
go to one of those teams. And if the other
team is the Jets, maybe you want to take your chance.
But it's the Raiders picking number one. Man, Okay, they're
just as bad as the Jets at everything. Okay, the

(26:52):
Jets and the Raiders are equally have been equally worthless
of franchises the last twenty some odd years. So let's
just stop with this whole. Oh yeah, the Raiders are
the destination.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
The Jets aren't number two last year Travis Hunter four year,
forty six points sixty five million dollars.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
I don't care what emblem is on the side of
the helmet. I'm moving on.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
But the reality is when we talk about these teams
that perennially draft up top, you recognize what it is.
If you have any modicum of success, you're a hero.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Right.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
So we talk about what's the most desirable coaching job?
So I point to the ownership and where they are
they hands off? Do they want a bunch of the
shine and what's the history there? The GM are they installed?
Are they long long established? Do you know how they operate?
Or they one or two year kind of guys engstrand
in your case with the Jets, and you're looking at

(27:46):
you know, spy tech and whatever. The Tom Brady system
is there. But if you could resurrect those programs, look,
you get don't get any extra bonus points if you
make the Tennessee Titans relevant. Okay, a couple of noise
makers and folks will be excited in the state of Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
But from a National.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Football League perspective, if you can make the Jets or
the Raiders relevant, and you've got two huge platforms. Like
if you're a quarterback, you're a hero when you walk in.
Now you see that the odds have been against you,
and literally in Vegas and then they're stacked against you
history wise.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
But everybody wants to be the guy to fix it. Right.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
We talk about it with quarterback whispering coaches all the time. Yeah,
bring me that guy that's been bounced around. I can
fix them. Same thing here. If you're a quarterback, the
hubris and the confidence, that's the only thing that's getting
you to the top. It's like any business, any enterprise
that you're doing. You gotta have a little bit of arrogance,
a little bit of cockiness to it. You gotta take

(28:44):
care of your people around you, no question about it.
But you don't become great at anything without, you know,
having that air to you of this is how I
gotta go and do it. And for a quarterback Mendoza
or more or all these guys to I mean, it's
a great hot, hot take, right. But to your point,
perennial dumpster fire, how many coaches since Gruden what is

(29:05):
his five?

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, how many guys are on the pair And it's
only been eight weeks since John Gruden got fired, and
they've had five head coaches. They've fired as many coaches
as he's opened boxes on YouTube. Oh really, okay, so
hang on, wait you got that? Hey, I got another
one over here? What's gonna be? And where's that one from?
Hang on, hang on, I'm going through the coaches.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Now.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
How many boxes has he opened on YouTube? He gets
a lot? Oh he does. Okay, all right. So it's
so I mean.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
A little bit of hyperbole, but it's like, hey, I
got another one here, and he starts going through and
hears all sorts of gear that gets sent to him,
and he talks about his buddies, uh and whatever else.
But remember Ben Dooz also started with the California Golden Bears.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
So he's he's seen bad. Yeah, no, he has. It's
been a Disney movie for him now, absolutely little town
standing in the middle of the cobble studdy. He's about
as positive as it is. I mean, the stuffed with
his mom. I'm in all the good works he's done
and anything. Now he would go to Sin City and

(30:04):
he could be.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
The guys at the corner. Come on, I'll take you
from the depths of hell and rise up. So just
and for more with the Jets, I could be the
King of New York. See we got more show tunes.
See we keep doing this.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Exit out bout of Frasca, exit swallendb Yeah, don't sit
here and try to tell me the Raiders are this
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Speaker 5 (30:36):
You really know, your Beauty of the beast lyrics here
for those who weren't playing along at home, that is
one of the great animated movies ever.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Made in our lifetime. Wouldn't you agree? You know? And
here's the thing is, you always know when you time
you're okay having tough conversations with your kid, when your
kid turns to you and says, dad, what happened to
Gaston at the end, Oh what happened to Yeah? No,
he just he fell down. Yeah he didn't. He didn't
fall off the bridge and dies. He back in the sequel,

(31:07):
don't worry about But that's just it. They always left
it open with the guys falling into the mist. Yeah. Well,
ever since they killed off Darth Maul, they realized, Okay,
when someone falls down a shaft, we can't show them dying.
We want to bring them back. So okay, well he
comes back in spider form Dado. Yeah, no, he just
fell and you can't see him through. It's through the fog.
It's all good. Well, missieurs.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
We had NFL news today with Baltimore Ravens firing John Harbaugh.
He had been with the Ravens for eighteen seasons, was
under contract through twenty twenty eight. The Lions fired offensive
coordinator John Morton after one season. Dallas fired defensive coordinator
Matt Eberflus after one Washington fired its offensive and defensive
coordinators Cliff Kingsbury and Joe Witt. Junior Rams wide receiver

(31:49):
DeVante Adams was a full participate in today's walk through.
He's missed the last three games with a hamstring injury,
and the Rams activated safety Quenton the Lake.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Wide receiver of the Bears.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
Romadonsa was limited at one walk through with his foot injury,
as was wide receiver Dj Moore with a knee injury.
Falcons quarterback Kirk Cousins restructured his contract so he could
be a free agent this year. Ohio state wide receiver
Carnell Tay declared for the NFL Draft. Washington quarterback Demon
Williams says he will transfer, but he did sign a
deal with Washington just last week. In the NBA, there's

(32:21):
one late game starting still a half hour from now, Sacrometo,
losers of five straight, hosting Dallas Kings. Forward Keegan Murray
will miss at least three to four weeks with his
sprained ankle Minnesota and Memphis with wins. That Grizzlies victory
at home was one o six, one oh five over
San Antonio, Victor Wemba and Yama off the bench after
the hyper extended. He had thirty points in twenty one minutes.

(32:42):
Victories for Cleveland, Washington, and the Lakers, who won at
New Orleans won eleven one oh three thirty points each
for Lukadnsich and Lebron James. Pelicans have lost eight straight.
Luka Doncitz leads the fan voting for next month's All
Star Game to Kola Jokic, number two in the West.
To college basketball on FS one early second half. Number
seven Houston as the lead at home thirty seven to

(33:04):
thirty five against fourteenth rank Texas Tech. At number twenty
two Kansas TCUs in the lead over the Jayhawks fifty
six to fifty early second half. Number two Michigan won
at Penn State seventy four to seventy two. Duke came
back to win at Louisville, Florida upset Georgia. NHL Islanders
nine nothing over New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Back to you so close game Islanders in the for.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
The largest shutout in the Isles history.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Nine nothing. These scores are like back from the Some
of these scores this year like back from the eighties
in hockey. Like I said, Wow, it's six to two
in the third beer, okay, great? Six points for Gretzky,
seven for Curry. That's right, Thank you, Steve. The Jason
Smith Show with my best friend Mike Carmen coming up next.
One high profile NFL team made a big move today

(33:52):
and after this move, I can solve their biggest problem.
And yes it is the Cowboys that's next, right here, Jason.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern seven
pm Pacific.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Okay, Tys shouldn't want to make a deal with you,
another deal with you? Oh right now. We made the
deal that you had to stop playing running up that
Hill when the new season of Stranger Things, the final
season came out. Right, okay, done, we figured that out. Deal,
I miss tucking. Anyways, you you have to stop playing
this song. What if Tears for Fears comes out with
a new album, if they ever come out with it,

(34:31):
I know there's no egg get you to stop playing it.
But here's the deal. If they ever come out with
a new album, you have to stop playing this song.
I've got a very good feeling that they have an
album coming out. No, I have no idea. I just
thought about it now I written. No, I have no
idea if Tears or Fears new they are touring in
twenty twenty six, He sais a deal? What do I

(34:52):
get out?

Speaker 3 (34:52):
So if it's a new album, okay, here's it could
just be a live or Greatest Hits kind of mash
up with one new song Tear's the Cower's release Easton
album last year. So I think you're good for a
little while. Like, I mean, how many how often it
is Tears Frears releasing the.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Albums released an album. A little bit over a year ago,
they released album So I think you're okay, I'm so confused.
Why are you confused? What do I get out of
this deal? No, you get to play a different song.
I could play it and just say no, no, you
don't do that. But I could no, because then we're
in some sort of music arbitration with our bosses at Fox,
and it's about you know, playing songs or not. All right,

(35:26):
I'm going to music arbitration. I'll make that deal, all right.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Saw. It really enrages Jason when he when he hears
the opening chords, like it triggers the beasts, like the
Red Hulk comes out. So it says here, hang on,
does Tears for Fears have a new album coming out?
And the last thing Ai says is the album that
came out late in October.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Of twenty four. Ay, I didn't tell you who is that?
Uh No, it just says, there you go. The album
features live recording of the band's concert, so they actually
know who they are. You had an out? Yeah, Oh yeah, yeah,
AI knows Tears for Fears. Yes, it sounds like they
do song for a nervous planet? Yes, there we go.
Well I guess okay, all right, So now so that's
the deal, right, we stopped playing the song of tears.

(36:08):
Refers has a new album coming out. Now I'm gonna
get on tears for Fiir's mailing list, and hey, I'm
gonna flood them with spam. What are you guys coming
out with a new album? Man, I can't wait, can't wait.
It's been a long time. I'll be like KD. I'll
just be sending out all kinds of stuff, just ever
every twice a week. You gotta be like do frame.
So today big move in the NFL. The Cowboys, we

(36:31):
knew this was happening. They fired defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus. Right,
the team's now getting rid of anything connected to the
old Chicago Bears. Not the New Bears of Ben Johnson's
but the old Chicago Bears. Everybody this start. This is
like in Goodfellas when they started to get rid of
everybody with the Luftanza robbery. Yeah, when they found CARBONI
was frozen so solid to him. Two weeks to do

(36:53):
the autopsy. Right, So this is what's happened all the
old Bears guys all they're all getting shunted away. So
I get it now. If you really want to change
things with the Cowboys, you want to know what to
do in the offseason because you look at this last
year of dysfunction, where on the eve of the regular season,
Jerry Jones says, oh, gotta stop the run, Gonna trade

(37:13):
Maca Parsons away. Yeah, sorry about that, and then having
to make moves in the middle of the season by
going out and getting Quinn Williams from the Jets, giving
up a couple of big draft picks, and here they
are again out of the playoffs. Right, how do you
solve this? How do you stop this cycle of insanity
with the Cowboys being just good enough to be contenders.

(37:33):
Sometimes they're good enough to win ten games, eleven games.
Sometimes they're not good enough to make the playoffs. They
play one playoff game, they're out. How do you avoid this?
Dak Prescott needs to step up. He's got his money
and he's got to very publicly challenge Jerry Jones and
talk about the moves that the Cowboys need to make
because nobody else will. Right, it shouldn't be the quarterbacks

(37:56):
place to do that right. But Brian Schottenheimer's not gonna
do it. Everybody scared. Jerry Schotnim is not gonna do
it right, Jerry Jones's kid's not gonna do it. Steven's
not gonna say, hey, Dad, we gotta start doing to
It's not happening anywhere else. Dak Prescott has to be
the one at a press conference sometime to say, hey,
I don't know what we're doing trading our best defensive
player the night before the regular season. I don't know.

(38:18):
We can't do stuff like that. We can't do it.
He's got to question things like that because that gets
all this dysfunction out in the open, and it stops
bad decisions from happening. Dak Prescott's gotta go public and
say we gotta pay Micah Parsons. I don't know what
it's all about, but I'll get involved if I have to.
You hear teammates talk about Dak's leadership style. Stuff he
does away from the field, which is awesome, right, how

(38:39):
he visits former teammates when they're going through difficulties. Like
Dak's got a pretty good leadership style, but he now
has to go public and challenge the owner of the team,
because nothing else is gonna change. Jerry Jones is gonna
continue the cycle of mediocrity and bad decisions and bad money,
some good money, mostly bad money. Nobody else is gonna
do it. He got paid, he's quarterback. He's the one

(39:01):
that has to say, Hey, we got to be doing
things a little bit differently. We can't make decisions like this.
We need we need a shut down cornerback. Now. We
can't get rid of Trevon Diggs, whatever you want to say.
He needs to be that guy that's the checks and
balances because then maybe things will run a little bit differently.
I don't know that they will, but you're in hail
Mary time right now, at Jerry Jones running the Cowboys,

(39:23):
and nobody else is stepping up to say stuff. Dak's
got to be the guy to publicly challenge him, and
then maybe things will change and there will be an
adjustment and attitude, There'll be adjustment in strategy and things
could get better for the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Remember when James Harden was in China and started saying
I want out.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
He didn't hear it in the bag.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
I want out for Dak Prescott. You know we were
talking about the arc, the life cycle of an NFL career.
He's twenty sixteen, man, he's two more years beyond where
Alan and Lamar Jackson, who's gonna get himself a new
coach here in short order, are in their careers. And
he had what you would argue is the best best

(40:05):
year that he's had, either top or second best year
of his career.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
This year.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
You gotta found some gold in the run game. You
bring in George Pickens because he's got to start lobbying
for him now, right, because that's where you're at. The
next thing, the defensive side the game. Look, you get
rid of Michaeh Parsons, You're you're taking a huge chip
off the table. You had eighteen weeks to figure it
out and stop the bleeding. Whatever went on with Trevon Diggs,

(40:34):
that's a he said, he said story. Try to figure
out what happened in the locker room. Eberflus making excuses again.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
You deal with the cards.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
You had to treat it like he got hurt and
was done for the year, and lo and behold, someone
showed up to help you try to stop the run.
Would it have changed how you approached the off season. Sure,
would it have changed how Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones
and approached the off season.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Sure, but you can't.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
You can't cry over the old uh spilled milk or
spilt as I spilt milk would.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Have been in in my Chicago Ease. It's milk not milk.
I'm gonna have a glass of milk. Yeah, m e
l k like melk kuiper. I'm gonna have a glass
of milk kiper, melk kipe, melk kiper, that's you think
of them, elk melk. Is there good hair in that glass?
That is great? Are you kidding? That hair is fantastic? Man,
You can't. You can't get past the hair to get
to the mess that's enhanced hair. There's no question. That's

(41:28):
me legit. Milk Kay is not one of the spice girls,
is she? There's melb melc mels baby spice, ginger spice,
sport that's five sporty. But there's no milk.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
No.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Okay, although milk kiper one of the spots. That'd be
pretty cool. Like they do they dance, they do cop
kind of song and then he evaluates the song.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
That's good, full throated endorsement or denigration exit U about
a Fresca exit swollen dome.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Coming up next, we get back into the biggest breaking
story out of the NFL today, Jason and fucks even
with on cable television obviously on broadcast TV. Hey, what's
gonna get you to continue to watch next week? The
next week, the next week? But now the shows get
entire seasons and they stream, especially when you get someone
who is so respected as Vince Gilligan. It's his first

(42:16):
thing after better call Saul. Hey, here's you know, eight
nine episodes, and I want you to experience this in
its totality, so when you go back and have repeated
viewings because now everything is available on every streaming service. Hey,
this is a story I wanted to tell. And there's
a reason why there was a little fat in this
episode and more fat in this episode, because it's important

(42:38):
to the storyline that we put this out there. And
I think a lot of shows are doing that now,
where individual episodes are really bloated because they get caught
up at the creativity angle of it. Go, we can
do something really cool. You know what, You still got
to entertain me, You still got to make me want
to keep watching. You want to make sure I don't
have time to go down and play a game on
my iPad while I'm watching don't be an iPad TV

(42:59):
show where I can watch you and I can play
along with my iPad and not have to worry about, uh,
anything else, right like, And that's kind of what Pluribus
has become. It's a it's not a show that I
have to sit and make sure, Okay, shut everything down,
let's watch it, right, it was, it's it's a great show. Look,
it's got the same The same feel is better, call Saul.
The same feel is breaking bad. But it's just really

(43:22):
it drags, and especially the last two or three episodes
to get to where we thought we were gonna get
to three episodes ago. Yeah, you gotta move a little
bit faster. So what you're saying is you have more
rapt attention towards is it cake? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I
love it because then I know I know I'm gonna
get the answer it's cake. It's not cake. But here's
the right, Sammit. I thought it was cake. It's like

(43:44):
watching The Stranger Things finale. It's okay, No, it's just
a metal pipe, damn it. The Simpsons when when uh,
when they said and coming up, oh, we have to
postpone our guest, Joan van ark and more citon sense,
it never turns out to be Joan van arc I
thought it was cake. That's not cake. Oh that's definitely cake.

(44:05):
That's not cake. That was that not cake? That looks
like cake. That's cake.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
But being that, you you've got to build all this
extra stuff in stranger things or whatever else, just in
case you decide to write something else. You know what,
we could go back to that random detail that you
didn't like, that you thought was Fluff's episode two. Yeah,
that was actually really important. Yeah, you know, like the
floating bunny. All right, go back to breaking back. Sure

(44:29):
didn't matter, right, But instead now it becomes a big thing. Hey,
you know, or the ducks.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
But when you when you get that cachet of everything
you've done has been great, we'll give you creative control.
This is where I go. Yeah, creative control is not
always a great thing, because now, just a lunatic, I'm
gonna give you here's a four and a half minute
scene of a guy making eggs. Okay, can we make
that thirty seconds set of four and a half, but no,
okay for half. The other part.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
I mean it's all about process, especially a good egg
making like making the cake.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Trust the process, trust the process.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Just like baking a cake. Trust there's a formula just
like cooking trust in a lab.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
If Walter trust the process exactly, is that trust the process?
Is that meth cake? No, it's not meth cake. That's
a new show that's showing out next level. Is that cake?
Or is a cakeer meth? Well, let's watch how he
reacts to this in five minutes. I'm pretty sure that
was meth. Oh boy, I thought it was cake.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
I don't feel so good because the other part is,
even if you're playing a game, your iPads so good,
I don't think you have met in air. Now, that
would be one hell of a drug. I mean Chapelle's show.
I mean, let's bring everything and turn over every rock.
But the idea being I'm also if you're on your iPad, phone,

(45:47):
second device baking a.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Cage, you're still watching. Yeah, I still get credible.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
And and if I'm Vince Gilligan, I already know I
can have someone walk out and just said wait for
season two and you're gonna come back.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
It's just but I feel like that's kind of a
push now with television shows, is that, hey, we have
this carte blanche, We're going to tell you this long,
bloated story, right like for Stranger Things, I'll tell you
this much. Right, you've heard a lot about I'll tell
you this Stranger Things. As it became a bigger phenomenon
than just a regular TV show that was a hit,
it became its own thing, its own energy, the stars,

(46:22):
the careers it's launched or brought back. It's incredible. But
five seasons, it was pretty redundant. And if you wanted
to say, how do you make the best Stranger Things experience,
it's the entire first season, which was incredibly well done,
a little bit of the second season and third season,

(46:43):
then tiny bit of the fourth season and the fifth season.
Right like, you cut that to three seasons, and season
one is season one its entirety, Season two is a
little bit of season two and most of season three
with the mall and everything else, and the last season
is half of season four and half of season five. Great,
you would have an incredible three season show that the

(47:04):
life of this show people would talk about is it's
one of the best dramas, one of the best shows
that's ever come out. It would be on that metal
stand with Breaking Bed and Better Call Saw, the Sopranos,
the Wire, West Wing, whatever you want. It's all out there.
But the fact that the second season was kind of derivative,
and the fourth and fifth seasons were just kind of there,
you know what I mean? I feel like, boy, they
really could have done something. But I get there's a demand,

(47:25):
there's money to be made. I understand, but you're talking about,
you know, the quality of the show. That would have
been a much better Stranger Thing. Well, you and I
are going to reboot the goat Boy Saturday line.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Jim Brewer skin, Hey, remember the eighties based on the
strength of Stranger Things?

Speaker 1 (47:41):
You know season five?

Speaker 3 (47:42):
I mean because I'm surprised we haven't started hearing a
certain artist from season yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Oh oh, by the way, what do you mean. I
never needed the song. We didn't need that song. I'm sorry,
Sadie's sick. Nobody needed that song. I didn't need the song.
I could have been okay, sorry spoiler, I would have
been okay. I didn't need the song. So we didn't
need that song. We didn't need running up that hill.
We didn't need it at all. You didn't need the
song that song, No, we didn't need Hey, No, that's
her artistic Interpretationous songs no more valid than yours are mine.

(48:12):
Just go I could come back to my friends. We
didn't need this song. Nobody needed that the song. The
song made millions, nobody need.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
The song was burned, indelibly, etched into our brain forever,
made her a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
So a little bit of TV there, but I'm glad
Tyche I wanted to get on that pluribus there. But uh, look, today,
obviously the biggest story in the NFL has been the
firing of John Harbaugh, which which was initially we're parting
ways and then an hour later is no, we're dumping
that guy. He lost the locker room everybody, all of
a sudden, Harbaugh was awful. Right now, another reason why

(48:45):
this needed to happen, right, we talked about at the
beginning of the show. The only two constants this entire
run has been John Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson, right, and
you know, Lamar Jackson's not going anywhere. So that's why
we said in in September, Hey, if they don't win
this year. Harball's out right. We were way ahead of
the curve on that right, What about.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
That if they'd gone the other way? Bold move cotton. Yeah,
we're we're geting. We're gonna trade off Lamar Jacks Lamar
Jackson stick out in a Jets uniform. Oh emmaculates how
the Jets would ruin Lamar Jackson. We don't want you
to run at all. Just throw from the pocket. Wait
what yeah, just throw from the pocket.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
That's a no, you know what. We don't want you
to throw it all. Just run, that's all. We would
just run. They put the forest gump braces on it,
like we know you can't run. We still got the
justin fields plays left over. We think Tennor Rankstrom would
have had good something. So we're just gonna run. You're
not gonna throw the ball. So you know that it
was gonna be Lamar over over at Harbaugh. Now, the
thing about Lamar Jackson is this is why you had
to do it. He's more than midway through his career

(49:45):
as a running quarterback. Maybe you're hoping three four years
left of Lamar and again he's having trouble so far.
Wasn't the same guy. This year injury started to mount,
you needed to do something new because right now, just
think about this, every couple of generationsations you see things
repeat itself. And if you had to say, okay, who's

(50:05):
Lamar Jackson, If you're comparing him to a quarterback in
NFL history, and this tells you why a move had
to be made, Who's Lamar Jackson? Lamar Jackson is Dan Marino?
Whoa whoa Lamar Jackson is Dan Marino? Because you go
back and you look the eighties and the nineties, Marino.
Look Marino top five quarterback of all time in the

(50:26):
NFL up until that point of his career, and every
year he fell short, got to the Super Bowl, second year,
never got back. And it was never because well, Dan
Marino was terrible. Some playoff games he was bad, Some
playoff games he was great. Some playoff games the defense
failed him. Sometimes they turned the ball over, sometimes they
couldn't score. But the one constant was, hey, you know

(50:47):
him and Don Shula all the way through, they never
got back. That Dan Marino is the was always the
poster boy for a best quarterback to never win a
Super Bowl. Guess who's gonna take that Mantle by the
time it's all said done, right now, Lamar Jackson's gonna
take that away. Now, different quarterbacks, different skill sets, obviously,
but this is Lamar Jackson. The guy's been multiple MVP

(51:09):
still one of the top five quarterbacks in the game,
has been one of the top five quarterbacks in the game.
And right now, if you said, what's your legacy, he's
the new Dan Marino's. He's gonna best player to never
win a Super Bowl and none of that not even
get there. Like, yeah, I'm thinking if if you put
the over under for Lamar Jackson at Super Bowls just
getting to the Super Bowl and you put it at

(51:30):
a half, a lot of people are gonna say, I'm
taking the under on a punder. I mean really, because
if he hasn't gotten there, now what do we have.
But when you view him through that lens, yeah, there
had to be some kind of change because it wasn't
whatever was going on wasn't nearly enough. And so when
you think of Lamar Jackson in that in that way,

(51:52):
you know, Okay, something's got to happen for the next
three years ish to try to get him over the hump,
because you're wasting his talent over the course of the
past decade. So yeah, Lamar Jackson being Dan Marino, that
had to change.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Look at you, you went full on Dann Marino because
I immediately start thinking about Joe Burrow. Remember my interactions
with Bengals fans after his second year appearance in a
Super Bowl. We're just getting starting. You're in the AMC.
Jamar Jackson's over there. Steelers are always good Cleveland. They're Cleveland,

(52:24):
but they still made the playoffs a couple of times
under Stefanski. But yeah, for Lamar Jackson, this was supposed
to be the great roster. We talked with Jason Locking
for all the time I do regular appearances in Baltimore,
and coming into the season there was a lot of
excitement about what had been built. Well, we watched no
pass rush and as also, you know, we were talking
with Locking for yesterday. Oh wait, gums, he could never

(52:47):
find the quarterback. As a member of the Ravens, Jesse
Minter somehow found the key and unlocked that and all
of a sudden he's rushing a quarterback and putting up
big stats for the Chargers defense. They had no pass
rush offensive line. They've been entirely dependent on how healthy
is Ronnie Stanley if you looked at a power bar

(53:08):
like he was a video game character, is the above
seventy percent? All right, we're gonna be okay, Derek Henry.
They forget to run the ball at times because this
is where it's not always in your control, and Lamar
Jackson at this point it starts to break down because
you can also go to the Cam Newton who's been
really chirpy here over the last couple of weeks of
getting a lot of run. We utilize him as a

(53:28):
guy who was super until he wasn't. Right Bryce Young
didn't dive on a fumble on a failed flee flicker?

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Hey, where have we.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Seen that before? Ye? Cam Newton?

Speaker 3 (53:37):
But once Cam Newton couldn't scramble at the same level
that he used to, guess what happened? He became just
a guy that cape went off And you're wondering, Josh
Allen foot injury, how often is he going to be
able to do that? With Lamar Jackson and the number
of injuries that he's had, how many times you're gonna
be able to do that? And again, that division's not
going away Cincinnati. If Joe Burrow is upright, and that

(53:58):
remains to be seen out a year to year bases
based on the roster construction there and now his history.
It's not going He's not going away. The Cleveland Browns,
they got to get it right at some point, don't
they question Mark, and Pittsburgh has not.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Really Now you don't have to. They just got enough
in division. As a Jets fan, I know you don't
have to get it right at some point. That's not
something that automatically cut Sanchez, dude, that's what say. I watch,
I see all the chat GPT Hey chat GPT predicts
the next one hundred Super Bowls, and I look and
I go Jets. I don't even see the Jets next
one hundred years. I see Burger King winning a Super Bowl,

(54:35):
FedEx wins a Super Bowl, but the Jets don't win
a Super No One picked. They can't even win a
chat GPT Super Bowl. Pop Tart guy smiling ten years ago.
Look there's a state puff marshmallow Man has back to
back in twenty ninety three and twenty ninety four, Jets
still don't have one. What all that to say?

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Right, Pittsburgh as bad as it gets, you know, in
terms of noise year to year, what happens. They never
bought him out. So for Lamar Jets, when we're talking
about year eight going into year nine, that window is shrinking,
all right, like swishing your head like you're the kids
in the hall kind of thing, going on to that
old gag. And you've got to retold this entire roster

(55:13):
as quote good as it was. Isaiah Likely made a
great catch. What was the last time you heard Isaiah
Likely's name before he made that fourth down?

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Okay, when he had that great first game of the
year two years ago and everybody spent all kinds of
money in free agent bucks to get him in fantasy. Right, Yeah,
that's the last time you heard Isaiah Andrew's got a
big contract. What's the two things you remember him? His
big contract and dropping that pass? Dropping that pass and
then trying the lateral that cost him game. Yeah, but
I mean that's what the dropping the passes really no, yeaheah.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
No, obviously, I mean we're talking about degrees. But those
are two times that you remember him in recent memory.
Derrick Henry again holding up your the thing like your
John Cusack and the boom box saying hey, twelve fifty
three and twelve seconds plenty of times. It's not always
gonna be about Lamar Jackson and his highs and lows.

(56:03):
But there are things you're not gonna be able to control,
and eventually his powers will dissipate, Kryptonite will show up,
and we're hitting that point. So yeah, it could be
very much Marina last, but I have to ask this
is Finkel Einhorn? Einhorn is Finkel? Finkel's a man? Just
so you know, Isotonas exit about a Fresco exit? Swollen

(56:24):
down the Jason st Show. My best friend Mike Carr,
I did do jazz ants there. I did a jazz
ants Lamar Jackson, Dan Marino. Yeah, that tells you what
change had to be made.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Coming up next, you want a big bold prediction for
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